Adam Curry: Close it down, close the website down.
Unknown: Adam curry, John C. Devorah.
Adam Curry: Sunday June 9 2019. This is your award winning give
our nation media assassination episode 1145. This is no agenda,
serving the knitting community for 11 years and broadcasting
live from the frontier of Austin, Texas capital at the
drone Star State in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry
John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where
this podcast is number three. I'm Jesse Devorah. Buzzkill.
Adam Curry: Yes, beating out that other conservative podcast
Joe Rogan. Oh, John is referring to the what was the name of that
website?
John C. Dvorak: It is Liberty nation
Adam Curry: live internet. It's now that looks kind of pro
Liberty nation. It's just seems it's legit. Seems like a legit
or so this was the we made the top 10 list, which was
apparently a poll it was voted on by the readers of liberty
nation,
John C. Dvorak: top 10 conservative podcast to download
in 2019.
Adam Curry: Number three, do you have the list in front of you? I
do as a matter of so give us give us give us the list two. We
had no numbers.
John C. Dvorak: Ken is the Dan Carlin Hardcore History History
podcast. Again, like the rest of them, but like most of them, it
says quote unquote, not technically a conservative
podcast.
Adam Curry: What does it it doesn't say that just yet says
John C. Dvorak: Oh, really?
Adam Curry: It says it on his podcast on his notes says he's
interested she is on his entry. It says not technically a
conservative podcast. Yeah, but
John C. Dvorak: he got to number 10 Somebody wrote on Twitter
says this isn't really the podcast that conservatives like
to listen to that makes it necessarily conservatives and
most of them aren't. Yeah, that makes sense. Where a lot of
award number nine is part of the problem. I haven't heard that
familiar with uprising which is Liberty nation's pod gay house
pot.
Adam Curry: That's okay. Well, the people who read Liberty
nation I'm sure would be Hey, I'm just happy we're on a list
John C. Dvorak: number seven, the Tom Woods show
Adam Curry: which is a good show. That's a good show. He
John C. Dvorak: apparently is not that conservative. The
Number six The Rubin Report in The Rubin Report is really just
an interview show and it's not a conservative
Adam Curry: Dave Rubin is gay liberal.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. I didn't know that he was gay.
Adam Curry: You need to adjust your gaydar
John C. Dvorak: way off reason your gaydar
Adam Curry: needs some adjustment, my friend.
John C. Dvorak: And there's jokes to be told. And number
five, the Federalist podcast which I only listened to once. I
find it to be extremely no offense to the Federalist which
I liked the publication but the podcast is dull. And then number
four, the Joe Rogan experience which is anything but a he's
really kind of a liberal. Yeah. But he's had he's had Alex
Jones, and he likes Alex Jones. Okay, okay. That's sauce. Yes.
Yeah, thus, and number three, no agenda hosted by Adam curry and
John C. Dvorak. The no agenda podcast is a real journey
through the minds of those.
Unknown: Hold on, hold on a second.
Adam Curry: I think I think that someone was doing the list. And
like, Okay, I gotta write a little blurb about each of these
podcasts. And let me listen to five minutes. And if you listen
to the first five minutes of our show, we could indeed be talking
about a restaurant we could be talking about some product and
then we go into our, our personal experience. So if you
listen to like five minutes of the opening of our show, you
probably think oh, these guys go everywhere.
John C. Dvorak: Number two, the Ben Shapiro show which is really
a radio show, but okay.
Adam Curry: Well, it's no it's No, I consider what he does a
podcast.
John C. Dvorak: Well, he's on the radio. And the number one,
the Dan bond Geno show the undisputed number one podcast
for those who liked their liberty in audio form. This show
top the polls have both ln authors and ln readers making it
in other words both groups liked it and have been Gino is a radio
guy. This shows a radio show two I believe I think the two those
Shapiro and Bonjean OIC are crossovers. We're not we're a
pure pure play baby pure play and been Gino is ex Secret
Service was I like to troll podcast.
Adam Curry: He is a natural broadcaster and he would he's I
don't think I think his radio show was on Sirius XM was I
don't know how much radio show without it.
John C. Dvorak: There's a lot of substituting for yes. And that's
that's what's gonna say
Adam Curry: he He's good at am radio talk show type stuff. And
he ended up it's a skill, you need that skill to draw 25
minutes of content out to a full hour because I subscribe to his
podcast, and I like his podcast with us. But I need, you know,
25 minutes of the information kind of wear and I'm sure people
say that about our show. Although we're more than just
information we are. We take you on a journey inside our minds in
our eyes inside our minds. And that's true. It's true. You
know, you come you come for the deconstruction you stay for the
sound effects. There you go. And the stories. That's I think
that's that's where and actually today we're going to be using
some of our, our expertise in in fields to help people
deconstruct what is going on.
John C. Dvorak: What is going on.
Adam Curry: Well, first, John, you can really pick them. I'm
surprised I mean, this show has picked sports competition
winners that has picked we tagged Donald Trump very early
on is going to win the pope named the Pope, the foyer
because all you buy this show. I'll just say it's the show.
We've picked Eurovision Song Contest winners. We've had some
losers too, but usually we're able to pick them pretty
accurately. And wow man on Brexit who would possibly be the
next or just the UK possibly be the next prime minister with the
resignation of Theresa May. You brought up a name which I'd
never heard of before. You kept saying yeah, the GOV guy. Gov.
Gov. Miko. Gov. Well, you can pick them John for
Unknown: the last few weeks Michael Gove has had his sights
set on a promising future.
I can confirm that I will be putting my name foreword to be
prime minister
of this country, but it is
his past that's getting attention right now. Mr. Gove's
cocaine admission comes right, a little of his bid for the Tory
leadership.
Adam Curry: So he had to come out and say I did coke. I did
coke because I guess what's about to publish a book or
something. And this was 20 years ago. But his actual quote about
his misdeeds is perhaps even more interesting. Mr.
Unknown: Gove told the Daily Mail, I took drugs on several
occasions at social events more than 20 years ago. At the time,
I was a young journalist, it was a mistake. I look back and think
I wish I hadn't done that.
Adam Curry: Now, why would he add the moniker at the time I
was a young journalist? Does that mean journalists who are
young are on coke? Is this what they do? They run around. Thank
you for your answer. I've, I have no reason to doubt it. That
that's in there for a reason.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's the reason you just you just
outlined because it's true. No, it's because it's a great
assertion to make. And it's like putting everyone on notice.
Notice. I think a lot of young journalists are on coke. I think
a lot of young people are on coke that are in high pressure
businesses. I think there's a lot of coke heads in Silicon
Valley. And I think there's a lot of coke heads in the New
York Times. Just don't can't say that. I know. The sense of
Adam Curry: it. Well, you're good at detecting that I have no
no drug dar in that in that regard. I cannot tell
John C. Dvorak: you all you do is check them tick and how many
times you go to their nose?
Adam Curry: Well, being someone who has Tourette's and tics you
know, I'd be wary. I'd be wary for you. Right now I got
Tourette's. Now I gotta touch my nose all of a sudden just
because we're talking about it's crazy this disease. It's crazy.
So but of course everyone's okay with it. We don't really care
about his history and we're not America. We're not crazy like
America and all that we get nerdy about what you did in the
past. So so that gets that was a hit job that they tried to pull
off on him and I think it's actually good to point out the
journal that he was a young journalist because that puts the
actual journalists on notice who are reporting on the story. It
does kind of because that's kind of the next obvious question as
was mine so don't really you kids all on coke. The so that
was a a hit job on him. Something that came out
yesterday, which to me means that the hag may be operative
again. Do you remember hag? Yeah, Ha Ji.
John C. Dvorak: As Hey,
Adam Curry: no hags. Yeah, egg, egg, hags, and acronym hag. The
Hillary assassination group.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, they Oh, I forgot all about them. Yeah, the
hag been killing the Republicans in their homes.
Adam Curry: Well, and I one of her two brothers Hillary
Clinton's brothers died. Jonah, Tony Rodham and you know, which
was it was 6465 but the cause of death has not been reported yet.
He's unknown, you
John C. Dvorak: think was part of the peg operation? Well,
Adam Curry: so why wouldn't you just say what happened, you
know, and so you know, when you don't say anything, then
typically a fee is done. It doesn't sound like it was a
sickness, or it may have been a suicide or something. I don't
know if anything has come out since we started the show.
John C. Dvorak: Also leave usually they won't say anything.
If it's AIDS related, generally speaking, I've noticed this,
Adam Curry: right. But we are in the age of mopping up cleaning
up and getting rid of stuff. And this and this is really once
again, I'm so grateful for our value for value network of
producers and dudes and do debt dudes named Ben. Do debts named
Bernadette? I mean, long ago, we made a decision for all of our
show notes and all of our information to be run in the
freedom controller, thank you, Dave Jones, which is structured
all all texts, all show notes, everything is structured. Taxes,
it's XML actually. So it's, it's highly exportable, you could do
all kinds of fun things with it. So that's why we have no agenda
player. That's why we have bing.io for the show notes
search. So very quickly, I was able to bring to the front,
these little nagging remembrance is that I had in the back of my
mind my mind about her brother Tony. Yeah, I
John C. Dvorak: forgot all about him. Well,
Adam Curry: the Thank you. This is what our no agenda network
does. We've got two stories from 2015 When Tony and Hugh both
actually were in the news with controversy, and this is
regarding the 2016 election. So you know, there was already some
stuff brewing and well, first of all, listen to CNN kind of blow
it all off.
Unknown: The allegation is that Hillary Clinton's younger
brother has parlayed his relationship with Bill and
Hillary Clinton throughout the years to come up with some
sometimes dubious business deals for himself. Maggie, would you
just laid it out? Pretty well. Right. I mean, look, there has
been an ongoing focus on the brothers Rodham, right. You rot
on Hillary Clinton's brothers. What was striking about the
story that my colleague Steve eater did is there are these
court transcripts where Tony Rodham openly says I leaned on
my brother in law to get help me. I went through the Clinton
Foundation, he says this. That type of stuff, I think is very
unhelpful that you were going to see an attack mailers, you're
going to see that potentially in ads, it says here when Mr.
Rodham was short on cash in 2010. Mr. Clinton helped him get
a job for $72,000 a year raising investments in green tech,
automotive and electric car company, then owned by Terry
McAuliffe, an old friend of Mr. Clinton's and now the governor
of Virginia, don't we all help our brothers?
I was gonna say, I'm not sure. What's wrong with that. What's
wrong with that?
I know that I think people will forgive helping us. So
we're not a product. I mean, he's not a politician. Right.
Bill Clinton was not an office. It doesn't seem to conflict with
her job as Secretary of State. Oh, no, it didn't help out. The
brother in law. I don't see that as a scandal
to me if there's any issue. I totally agree. I think that
people forgive you help your family you help. I think that
the more you see things up, I you know, I went to the
foundation for help. Now the Foundation says there's no
evidence that we are anything that he said, but it's just it's
not great.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. So the foundation does nothing it
doesn't. This was episode 706. By the way of the no agenda show
from that same episode, we brought you this report,
Unknown: Hillary Rodham Clinton's brother, Tony Robbins
sat on the board of a self described a mining company that
in 2012, received one of only two gold exploitation permits
from the Haitian government. The first issued in over 50 years.
The tiny North Carolina company VCS Mining, also included on its
board Bill Clinton's co chair of the Interim Haiti Recovery
Commission, former Haitian Prime Minister John Max Bellary. The
random Goldmine revelation is just one of dozens featured in a
forthcoming bombshell investigative book by three time
New York Times best selling author Peter Schweitzer.
Adam Curry: Now, of course, was Clinton cash. So there's lots of
loose ends with the Tony. And if you have an investigation into
connections with the State Department, shenanigans going on
with the Obama administration, all kinds of missing documents
and there's I don't know how many investigations are now
running. We've got multiple inspectors general, you know,
maybe Tony got in the way.
John C. Dvorak: Ah, could be I have no no better answer on the
list.
Adam Curry: I have no better answer since no, there's no
information. Among the list on the list of what oh, the hag
list, the body count,
John C. Dvorak: but against Clinton body count. It's not
just about Hillary.
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly.
John C. Dvorak: That's I know was the last time you looked at
that list is
Adam Curry: huge, which is a bit it's quite a big list. And I
feel bad about
John C. Dvorak: you gotta go, hey, you know, this list is a
little better. No, this is pretty big this list.
Adam Curry: I feel bad about going straight to this. I mean,
even last night, I'm reading it, you should get this article. And
I go. And the keeper immediately goes, Oh, don't tell me he was
killed as well, you know, since they haven't told us what
happened. You know, there's, you just gotta, you gotta think
about stuff. And I just recall that he was controversial a
couple of years ago, the round elections and it was important,
and they poopoo that on CNN yet there was all kinds of
shenanigans with the gold mine in Haiti.
John C. Dvorak: The Gold Line in Haiti is a classic,
Adam Curry: but it is a classic one of two licenses. Okay. Who
knows? Who knows. But I guess if you look at the New York Times,
front page today, you will see the topic I'd like to discuss
the ad pocalypse.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, so I have thoughts on this because this
thing is I'm going to let you do your thing. But first of all,
I'm going to kind of predict what you're going to do.
Adam Curry: Why would you do that? Why, yeah, why would you
predict what the outcome of what I'm about to say is?
John C. Dvorak: Because it could be wrong. And then you can
gloat. And if
Adam Curry: you're right, then I don't have to do it. Is that the
is that the point?
John C. Dvorak: Okay, and I can predict anything? Actually, I
had my mind made up what I was going to do, because I knew you
were going to do this, because you telegraphed it on Twitter.
Oh, I had I did I did I said, Oh, this is my okay. I'm very
disappointed by your counter art. But no, my art not my car
was was good. But then I read this article. Yeah. Oh, geez.
Adam Curry: And actually, there is something important. We need
to do first into people's brains are getting fried, trying to
understand the perceived censorship of conservatives on
social media. And this week, in particular, it was YouTube. Now,
the way all media sees this, whether it's alternative,
whether it's mainstream, except for this show, and this is so I
was telegraphing, I was also gauging response that were
pretty much the only ones or I think you're going to be on
board with most what I have to say, who see this in the way
that it's actually unfolding and what this is really about. So in
the in the in the lexicon, the ways people speak, in fact, I
have a I have a little this was on Friday, Glenn Greenwald, was
on Tucker Carlson which is always a fun match since
Greenwald is definitely not the your typical Fox guest. And
here's his take on what went down. And he's missing one
important piece. Yeah,
I mean, I personally find Steven Crowder to be a just a
contemptuous cretin as a commentator, I do think he's an
infantile bully, which and bigot which are not words I easily
invoke. He didn't just criticize Carlos Maza. He mocked him for
being gay and for being Latino used to Lisp and things to
ridicule him sent a lot of harassment his way but that's
the point talker is that censorship advocates want our
brains to only go to that most primitive first level of do we
hate this person? And are we therefore glad that they're
being censored without thinking about the framework being
endorsed or the consequences that ensue from it? I mean, I
personally or resonates a lot for me, because I've dealt with
harassment far greater than Carlos Maza is complaining of
I'm a gay man in a country, Brazil that just elected a
president, driven by intense anti gay animus, my husband is a
member of Congress and the oppositional party. We've been
mocked and derided with our sexual orientation, not by
random YouTubers, but by the President of the country himself
on Twitter, and his family members who are elected members
of Congress. And it would never occur to me to run to social
media companies to beg for censorship. Because in part,
it's just something that comes with the territory of being a
public figure. But more so because I don't want to live in
a world where our discourse is policed and determined by
benevolent overlords who runs Silicon Valley companies, were
always going to cater to the most powerful faction, that's
what happened here, YouTube caved in, not in defense of the
marginalized person, but in defense of the powerful one, the
one who despite being gay and Latino works for a major media
conglomerate and that's what they're always gonna do is
defend the mob and defend the powerful at the expense of those
who are marginalized.
So Glenn Greenwald is correct. That Silicon Valley company He's
will always cater to the strongest influence. But he's
incorrect in saying that the that they will always cater to
the strongest influence being big media corporations, no
bullshit. And and we're going to explain why. And with this Vox,
Crowder, gay wonk, whatever it was controversy, that timing was
perfect for a 21 month investigative piece to be
published today. That's just so coincidental. This is the making
of a YouTube radical. This is the front page of The New York
Times, which really shows you how evil YouTube is at a
systemic level. And the people on it in particular, pointing
out Stefan Molyneux, I think he can be prepared for what's
coming. Now there
John C. Dvorak: was actually on the front page of The New York
Times. A couple of things. One they had to for the front page
of the Online Edition they had for people.
Adam Curry: It's on the front, it's on the front page of the of
the printed edition two.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, they had these four people. I think the
front page of the online is pretty much a reflection. On the
online version. They had them in motion. They're moving there.
Oh, yeah.
Adam Curry: It's animated. Yeah, that's better. It's an extra
dimension.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's actually it's kind of cool. So
they had the blonde in the bunker, wherever there are
Blondie, blondie, whatever name is on the left. And then they
had Paul. And then they had the other Paul Watson. Who's the guy
with the beard? I've seen him before, but I for some reason I
did. And they didn't have a name of anybody either, either. I
don't know. Do you know Help? Somebody in the chat room knows
who that is? Well, you said, you said to Paul, I don't know who
it is.
Adam Curry: Okay. Well, I'll open up the article then. Hold
on. I'm gonna tell you exactly who it is. Yeah, they got me
they haven't they must have a million different pictures on
this article. On the front page article.
John C. Dvorak: The articles got a million pictures. Okay, on the
front page of the times that you have these four guys. Okay, let
me take a look. And I can tell you for a fact that on the on
the article, I can't identify more than one or two people
there. Okay.
Adam Curry: The Lauren southern.
Unknown: I mean, it's if you're looking at Lauren southern
that's blondie. That's
Adam Curry: Lauren southern. Lauren southern. Yes, Laura. It
even says it in the caption, John. Okay, clockwise from
flatters blonde Ellis just Lauren southern Stefan Molyneux,
Paul Joseph Watson, and rebel media rebel media would be on
the left though that's not to. That's Paul Joseph. Paul, Joseph
Watson on the right. So it's incorrect. The even their
caption is incorrect. And it's an it's actually it's a nice
long piece, very long article. But before we get to that, what
we're going, what we're going to talk about is advertising. And I
think it's probably a good idea for us to state our credentials,
in particular, digital advertising, because for some
reason, people think they understand advertising the
misconception that advertising is, oh, well, you get bigger
numbers, you make more money. It's how it works. Everybody
gets it. advertisers don't care if to advertise. They just want
eyeballs, and it's what I bought. That's how it works. And
I think this
John C. Dvorak: started with timecode down. Yes,
Adam Curry: I think this started with, really with the first ad
networks and the display, where we had the display ads first, if
it just showed on a web page, you remember those days, you'd
make money.
John C. Dvorak: The banner ended by a couple of guys that used to
work at PC Magazine when they went over to see net, which is
the company that invented the banner ad
Adam Curry: to the ad banner ads. And you know, this has
morphed over time. But let's just go back to my credentials.
They besides having brought Budweiser to MTV, which was very
precarious, that but MTV really wanted Budweiser on the channel
who felt that for the money, no other reason for the money. And
that there wasn't they couldn't figure out a way to do it. Until
we came up with the idea of spring break. Spring break was
created for Budweiser, not because MTV wanted to go show
how much fun kids were having. It was to get Budweiser on the
channel. And there were several stipulations. The main one was,
nothing could be done live at MTV, did Mardi Gras we do live,
we do live all the time, back in the day, at least. It's all
over. But spring break, spring break, Spring Break had to be
tape taped and edited and delayed because Budweiser could
not condone anything happening that would involve kids drunk,
which is pretty much what spring break is. But it happened. And
we got, you know, Budweiser and Bud Light and it was you know,
it was fantastic. And in fact for them. We brought in nivia
for some of the stuff that you know, that might portray too
much drunkenness. So they had different advertisers. But the
the sensitivity of the advertisers went on When I'm
getting to, so I started a company in 1993, called onramp
bought 15 other digital agencies and created think new ideas took
that public on NASDAQ in 1996. With Omni comm arguably the
biggest either number to one or two, depending on WPP, who you
arguing with conglomerate of advertising agencies that were
our largest shareholder personally invested by John ran
the CEO. And we built the first leg
John C. Dvorak: flag these companies bought up everybody.
Adam Curry: Well, they didn't buy us up, we wouldn't let they
wanted to buy just said no, we'll go up look
John C. Dvorak: at all these little advertising agencies and
some big ones used to be very famous Doyle, Dane and burnback.
You know, these guys in that those guys, and they all ended
up being part of a giant conglomerate. Terrible. Yes. And
they call the shots and we continue, please
Adam Curry: have built the first website for actually Budweiser
was my first call. We got budweiser.com bud.com blog,
like.com reebok.com, they didn't have a website, we built
reebok.com pant tampax.com built this company, our company thick
new ideas to 700 and employees, seven different countries. $450
million in revenue. Yeah, this is when you were famous. This
was and this was a and we were there with agency.com was called
Digital Silicon Alley, Jason Calacanis was still in New York.
So learned a lot about the sensitivities of advertisers.
Let me give you a few examples. From the early days, Reebok, we
built plan@reebok.com, and we put a forum in there, get a
tannish call from the from the wasn't the CEO, but as the Chief
Marketing Officer, people are talking about our shoes that
they're being made by children on this forum, what are you
gonna do close it down, close the website? Dang. She was a
woman. That's the crazy part.
John C. Dvorak: That's how she sounded. That's another time
code.
Adam Curry: It may unfortunately be this way for the whole show.
And, you know, these were huge issues we had to AT and T Oh, my
goodness, just a smaller example. Shut the website that
we did the you will campaign, you will you will.com Which she
registered, was member Tom Selleck. And he had these
stylized, and of course, it all came true, he'd be sitting on
the beach with some kind of digital thing, some slab of
whatever, one day, you'll send an email from the beach, you
will, you know, so we built the website, you will.com. And it
was a it was a promotion, with a feedback loop. But these are the
days of color monitors that did 256 colors. And the the, again,
the we usually dealt with with the chief with the C suite, the
Chief Marketing Officers in buying from the CEO so it was a
big deal. They were looking at the AT and T logo which of
course has to be so many pixels from within talking pixels at
the time. So so many inches from the border of the page, and
you're from any content around it, but because of the color of
the monitors and the state of of color correctness and, and
clarity,
John C. Dvorak: none exist, they
Adam Curry: didn't look like the at&t blue logo, shut the website
down. You know, I had to I had to fly. The Fly I think was in
Boston at the time. whoever's in charge of it then had to explain
that that's not how so they're very, very, very sad. Oh, here's
another one's my favorite weed. So we were at all we after being
digital, we really became a full service agency and also did
television commercials. And we did a big positioning piece for
Oracle for the Super Bowl. And this would have been super bowl.
Oh man, the one in 9798 Can't remember. Oracle was major
sponsor and we did this beautiful, you know, like you
see monk's positioning piece where Oracle we're saving the
world is gonna be great. And we had a, one of the first times a
URL ran on the screen on the screen. It was insane oracle.com
In fact, it might have been Oracle contest.com or some
specialized thing. So this was to sell Oracle's wares. And
people started hitting the server. The minute that popped
up on screen, we were running the server and everything got
overloaded pretty much immediately. We had no idea what
to expect these things hadn't been done yet. Unfortunately, we
Well fortunately, we had put some failover stuffing to
multiple servers. And some of those were IIS Internet
Information servers running on windows with the Microsoft SQL
back end. And somehow it failed over to these other websites. It
got hammered so bad that an error appeared on the screen
with Oracle no contest.com error Microsoft SQL Server Internet
Information Server, let me tell you, we got fired. I got fired
for that.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I would fire you too.
Adam Curry: Of course you would. Of course I even tried to lie it
off, but it didn't work. So we got fired. There is such since
John C. Dvorak: he vaguely remember that incident because
it may have floated around in the in the tech writing all that
kudos. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was one of those things we run
into Microsoft did the same thing. When they bought Hotmail.
And it turned out they were running, it was running.
Adam Curry: It was running on Linux. Exactly. I remember that,
too. That was very embarrassing. It's not running on your on your
Exchange Server. What Yeah, of course, tried running 100 people
on exchange, let alone hundreds of millions. So the point is, I
have a lot of experience with advertisers and sensitivity that
they have. And controversy. If it's uncontrolled, they love
controversy can be great. A Reebok and Nike both use this
all the time when it's controlled controversy, when
they know the parameters they know where it could spin out of
control. But if it's an unknown, if they really don't know, even
the smallest risk, the smallest risk will be taken as let's
avoid it. Let's not do that things go bad. John, I'd like
you to just briefly give us a few of your credentials. So we
so people understand that we come from a business where we
really understand what's going on. And it's way beyond just
numbers.
John C. Dvorak: Well, I've talked about on the last show,
which is the fact that I've always worked in commercial
environments, they said, Well, I was on public radio for a while,
but that's very similar, except that the commercial environment
is kind of hidden from the public. But you know, PC
Magazine, San Francisco Examiner, and some of these, I
probably every computer magazine, that was done in the
80s. I written for him, I've written for all of them. And and
I've written for the New York Times and elsewhere. And, and
you are very cognizant of the fact even though you don't talk
about it too much of of advertisers and what and what
their influence is, and you get condemned for it constantly.
People always say, well, the only reason you're doing that is
because you've got to get a lot of advertisers in the magazines
that support this. And so he won't say anything bad about
him. But ironically, the public doesn't seem to really have a
clue. They that's an old bromide that go the advertisers are
influencing the editorial, because the main one that did
always bitch and moan about was Microsoft, right? And they'd
always say, well, Microsoft, owns PC Magazine, Microsoft,
Microsoft, Microsoft, and Microsoft rarely, if ever
advertised in PC Magazine, US and almost never yet they will
always blame them because they don't want to hurt their
feelings. I mean, they editors are pretty soft about a lot of
this stuff. But my one of my favorite examples was I was in
being syndicated around the world and all these crazy little
PC magazines that were everywhere. And I and I wrote
something up that pissed off Microsoft. And they even though
they don't advertise, they have a lot of they had a lot of
public relations people and they had me banned from PC Magazine,
Italy, of all places, really. And I found this out from the
Italian I AP and Microsoft made a big stink said they'll never
advertise again, if a Devorah column ever appears in our
magazine. Right. And so I thought that was pretty
gruesome.
Adam Curry: Well, that's actually a great example. Just
just repeat that again. They said what
John C. Dvorak: they said that if Dvorak appears in any issue
of PC Magazine, Italy, they would they will not advertise
with them ever,
Adam Curry: regardless of what it's about, regardless of where
your column is. It was just you and your your attitude, you and
your attitude.
John C. Dvorak: I actually showed up as being banned in one
there was discovery during one of these Microsoft lawsuits. And
somebody sent me the some pages from discovery. This was so
discovery so great. Yes, because you couldn't really get all the
docs and I was listed on there as a guy that they shouldn't be
talking persona non grata. Yeah. All right. Also banned by by
Apple. I wrote a column about Steve that was a pretty nasty
column. It was it was an InfoWorld. When I was there, I
wrote his column when jobs quit Apple was rousted by Scully.
Right. And I wrote and it's a job it was a jerk. That's why I
wrote Steve, good by Steve Jobs. Good riddance. I think it was
the title. Bad boy told me that they saw that column in his
office in the something and I was banned. I wouldn't get any
products. I wouldn't get invited any events and I who cares to
drive down to Cupertino Anyway, well, but But anyway, but the
best story was So, Microsoft big advertiser throwing your weight
around in Brazil, they had a piece of magazine in Brazil and
I would go down there every so often because I wrote for other
magazines down there. And I was hanging out with the guy who's
the publisher. And he said, he said that Microsoft came down
there and said, we want. We want a 12 month advertising spread.
And then a six month advertising spread for the next year and a
half, right? And the guy gave me the, the rate card. In Microsoft
guy, sales guy goes, no, he says this, we're not paying anything
for these ads. Oh, you just run them. So what are you talking
about? Run Ads for free? says, oh, no, you run it. Because if
you don't have Microsoft ads in your magazine, you're not excuse
me. You're not a real magazine. Exactly. Exactly. And I thought
that was fascinating.
Adam Curry: That's a good one. Like that. Well,
John C. Dvorak: then, the point is, I've been around well, and
Adam Curry: together we we were at pod show slash vvO. We
learned exactly how problems certainly in today's
environment, where you have ad buying networks, you have
auction based systems, where people go in and say, okay, and
it's it's what you'd expect it to be. It's what the promise
always was, the promise was alright, I want to get 2435 year
old I want to have him interested in this interested in
that and get those the eyeballs I want. And then go ahead and
put it out there. And of course, this would run on these
networks, it would run on all kinds of scam sites, pop unders
pop overs, invisible down on the page, never saw it. All kinds of
bots, fake clicks, fake views, so much. And then the advertiser
started to go. Yeah, you know, I got a call from my client and he
saw his BMW ad running on this porn site. And you know, so we
have to control them the ad networks had to clean up their
business. Because of course it's it the basic idea of you pay $15
per 1000 people that have seen this click this read this heard
this etc. That remains. But when you have everyone able to see
all of the places the advertising shows up, and the
brand itself who has been promised a and here it comes
brand safe exposure and experience. They get very upset
when in fact it naevia We had this exact example with BMW and
it also ran on I think it was either match Weinstein's podcast
and just on the on the Show page. And maj Weinstein is the
bloated lesbian, from Chicago, and they pulled the whole
campaign. Well, you guys, you how can we how can we trust you?
How can you prove to us that that will never happen again.
And I think it consisted of me putting on my MTV jacket and
hair and going over and blowing someone who still remembered.
And that's usually how we got out of these things. So we
understand this business, and it's not as cut and dry as you
think it would be. And this is where everyone is missing what
is really happening here. And there's no incentive for anyone
to tell you exactly what's happening. Except for the guys
who are no longer in the advertising business. That would
be us. Now YouTube, it's it's they don't break it out, per se.
But I've looked at all the estimates, approximately $8
billion a year in revenue comes in from YouTube. This is what we
used to call in the business, long tail revenue long tail. And
this is the only model that was working. This is not hits the
idea of having hits, as in a hit Podcast Network, which as you
know, we proclaim that you cannot monetize the network. You
cannot. The only way to do this is by running hundreds of
millions of ads on cat videos, kids dancing, birthday parties,
you know, that kind of stuff. That's YouTube's revenue $8
billion a year now. Some say five, six, I'm just gonna put it
at eight. That sounds about right. That's a lot of money.
And it's not coming from Crowder. It's not coming from
Joe Rogan. It's pieces of that Sure. This is coming from huge,
huge volume. The problem with huge volume is if you don't have
artificial intelligence that can actually flag objectionable
content that an advertiser would object to we just gave you all
these instances and examples. You have to employ people. We
know that there and all these 1000s of people are working on
checking uploads making sure all the videos are brand safe and
Determining whether they should have advertising running against
them or not, which has turned into this de monetizing term,
which is completely disingenuous, and not what
really happened. We talked about this on the last show. So bad PR
is a problem. And it's a huge problem if it's systemic. So
just reading from this article that came out today just so you
know, where the New York Times is coming from the New York
Times has an agenda in this and it's not reporting. It is an
agenda of grabbing the advertisers from YouTube as much
as they can get in every everyone who reports on this
controversy in the way that they have been as a left right
censorship. conservativism bias. That's not the bottom line,
follow the money $8 billion, and that's just YouTube. If
alienation was one ingredient and Mr. Kane's radicalisation
This is from the New York Times, and persuasive partisans like
Mr. Molyneux were another The third was a series of product
decisions YouTube made starting back in 2012. This is the
genesis of how we got here today. In March of 2012,
YouTube's engineers made an update to the site's
recommendations algorithm. For years the algorithm had been
programmed to maximize views by showing users videos that were
likely they were likely to click on but creators had learned to
game the system inflating their views by posting videos with
exaggerated titles or choosing salacious thumbnail images. In
response, YouTube's executives announced that the
recommendation algorithm would give more weight to watch time
rather than views that way, creators would be encouraged to
make videos that users would finish, users would be more
satisfied with and YouTube would be able to show more ads, just
this but this is what this story is about. A month after its
algorithm tweak YouTube changing rules to allow all video
creators to run ads alongside their videos and earn a portion
of the revenue they generated. Previously, only popular
channels that had been vetted by YouTube were able to run ads
very key difference they went away from the vetting to the
unvetted. The new algorithm worked well, but it wasn't
perfect. One problem, according to several of the current and
former YouTube employees is that the artificial intelligence
tended to pigeonhole users into specific niches recommending
videos that were similar to ones they'd already watched.
Eventually, users got bored. Google Brain researchers, I
guess that's a division wondered if they could keep YouTube users
engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of
YouTube. And so this is where this article takes an
interesting turn, and starts to talk about reinforcement
learning. This was their their new algorithm reinforce a huge
success. And I was lucky, I watched this talk at an AI
conference in February, Min Min Chen, the Google Brain
researcher said it was YouTube's most successful launch in two
years, sitewide views increased by nearly 1%, again, that a
YouTube scale could amount to millions more hours of daily
watch time and millions more dollars in advertising revenue
per year. She added that the out new algorithm was already
starting to alter users behavior, we can really lead
users towards a different state versus recommending content that
is familiar. So it was very popular. Lots of people watch,
but they were going towards areas that this article says
claims was all this bad shit, bad people. All right, Nazis
keh, keh, keh, Cardrooms, the whole thing is just bad. Why are
they saying this? Because the advertisers have become very
wary YouTube and Google isn't in in an incredibly precarious
situation. And I shall explain one month ago, the upfronts were
held in mainly in New York, John, you wanna explain the
television upfront process where
John C. Dvorak: the executives going up in front of all the
advertisers and and affiliates. Depending could be affiliates,
or advertisers, or both. And they give them the spiel for
their upcoming season and what they're going to do and where
the strengths are going to be anywhere the weakness is going
to be in what they're going to look for, and to fill the slot
advertising slots and how they're going to make so much
money. I'm going to beat the crap out of the other networks
because they really got it. They really got it figured out. I
think something like that. So
Adam Curry: we have the exact and I think probably started
with Yahoo years ago, Terry Semel and the Hollywood guy,
they started doing their own content. We're going to be just
like television, we're going to be better well, today that day
is here. And YouTube is coming in as a as a tech television
provider. So this is just from one month ago, TV networks came
out with a strong message as they called it advertisers at
the annual upfront presentations in New York this week. Digital
may be hot and growing like crazy, but TV can provide a
brand safe space for ads, as the tech world grapples with a
sphere Recently privacy scandals and abuses of their platforms.
And this, of course, is a CNBC article. These are all
mainstream companies who want to fuck Google for a number of
reasons. The main one being well, the Oh, it's all of the
whole of Silicon Valley. But right now we're just focusing on
YouTube makes it easier. companies including CBS, Disney,
Fox, NBC Universal and Warner media pitched advertisers on
their programming and promise of their own upcoming streaming
services. Just two weeks after many of the digital players like
YouTube and Hulu courted the same advertisers at the news
fronts, presentations, the network's position their own
offerings as bigger and safer than the challenges I started to
see what's happening. If you want to take these billions of
dollars in advertisement away from your competitor, it
behooves you to do news stories about controversies involving
left right, Trump, the orange MAN bad, anything controversial,
anything, advertisers will walk away from that, particularly
today's media buyers who are 20 Somethings, they don't give a
crap. They just don't want to get in trouble. They can
probably get a couple of floor seats for a game if they you
know, take business from this particular advertiser. They're
not going to put their their their ass on the line for some
place where some guy who is you know, he's he's calling this guy
is lispy, queer, you know, gay, it's all cool. And YouTube left
Aman I took away as well it took away his ad. But still it could
slip into something. Could it be some other person who's doing
like that? I'm a little bit worried. Couple other articles.
So the title of that was TV networks pitch brand safety,
streaming to advertisers at upfronts. Here is the next
article. And this was just one. And this is all. This is
Reuters. And this is this is from May 13. Three years ago,
the beginning of the end of the US television business looks
certain when one of the largest ad buying agencies vowed to move
a big chunk of its purchases to YouTube from TV budgets. Let me
repeat that this is an Reuters article. It looks certain when
one of the largest ad buying agencies vowed to move a big
chunk of its purchases to YouTube from TV budgets. The TV
business did not die far from it. Instead, data compiled from
ad tracking by ad tracking from media radar at Reuters request
showed some advertisers are spending more on television
networks, online properties, and less on alphabet inks video
service. That data partially explains why Google's parents
had its slowest quarterly revenue growth in three years.
Oops. I didn't mean to do that mean to hit the ding. This is
when you're talking $8 billion. Just from YouTube alone. This
gets people's attention. This week, the big US TV networks
plan to drive the knife further into digital rivals repeating
the phrase brand safety and exploiting YouTube's struggle to
curb unsuitable content during the upfront ad sales period when
TV networks preview the fall season for advertisers onstage
and in private meetings again, executives from Comcast Corp's
NBC Universal CBS Corp Viacom say they are pitching themselves
as one stop shops because they have viewers on TV, their own
streaming services and their own streaming services. I think it's
I don't have to beat this horse anymore that the mainstream
outfits are creating as much panic and controversy and
highlighting as many different controversies as possible to
screw these guys into oblivion who have been eating their
lunch. This is an Is it a coincidence that these things
happened a month ago and in the past month. This is where we've
seen all the stepped up D platforming D monetization,
John C. Dvorak: which begs the question to me. What took them
so long, they're idiots they are interesting to put who's worked
in broadcasting. And you can the anybody out there who's worked
in broadcasting knows that you constantly talk about the
management of radio station being the dumbest guys in the
world. And the management of television stations are being
the dumbest guys in the world. And then people go back from
television to radio and back and forth. Well, you know, I think
that radio guys are dumber than the TV guys. Oh, no, I think the
TV guys are dumber. But there's a theme there's a constant
theme. They're all dumb.
Adam Curry: And they're scared and this is this is the the it's
so it's really disgusting that they are hiding their their
revenue quest and actually propagating derisive behavior
amongst the public by making it all seeing that this is
censorship, it's, it's it's left, right. It's the Silicon
Valley bias. You know what it is? It's the bias of advertising
executives. It's the it's the fear and bias of the advertisers
themselves. Because of controversy, it doesn't matter
what the controversy is. But this is an easy one. All you
have to do is that guy's All right, boom, done. I don't want
to advertise on him. You know why? Because one little thing
could happen. We've shown you examples of what can happen.
Alex Jones, this has been going on for a long time. And they're
disingenuous, and everyone, including Glenn Greenwald, is
buying into that they're sitting there making decisions. Oh,
let's get rid of this Crowder guy, because he's alt right.
First of all, they didn't get rid of him, they demonetized
him, which means you know, what we like the million views you
get. So we don't want any ads running on it. But we liked that
our algorithms can make people click on stuff where we do have
ads running. So that's how how, how lame it really is that they
can't even admit to that, but they don't give a shit. They'll
take anybody off in a heartbeat. $8 billion in revenue doesn't
come from a couple of big hits. It doesn't work that way. In my
you cannot monetize the network is going to come true. Because
you cannot monetize the longtail either it's turning out because
you can't police the content. And Google and it I mean, right
now you see Twitter, Twitter, it, it has turned on some
algorithmic deletion tools. And you can't have a conversation on
Twitter anymore, you'll go to someone and using this in your
timeline, John, you there's like someone tweets something, you go
into the thread and it's like, deleted, deleted, not available
not available. And these have all been removed. So they've
broken their actual service, you cannot, you can't read a thread
anymore. Because it has to be removed for advertisers safety.
John C. Dvorak: Well, I'm going to make a prediction, not about
what you're going to say, which is pretty much what I taught
you,
Adam Curry: I knew you would I knew you knew I was going to
John C. Dvorak: first of all, and I wrote about this in PC
magazine online, and probably a year ago, Facebook, and I'm
throwing them in Twitter, YouTube, everybody, all those
guys, all the social networks, with maybe the exception of
Linked in, but even though they're kind of kind of falling
into it too, with their little articles and crap that they
publish there for free. These people are not just did they're
not an open sewer. Well, they are an open sewer. But that's
not what I'm referring to. They are technically publishers. In
every way, I see no reason to think otherwise. And they do
editing and they kick people off and 80 they reject certain
things. And it's all part of the publishing game. That's what you
do when you're a publisher. They don't want to take full
responsibility, because there are some legal limits to what
you can do and not doing. You can get sued in certain ways.
Because you know, especially when you have the big deep
pockets of these monsters companies, if they do I mean
Google alphabet, that's where I think they've been trying to
divvied the company up in different ways. So they can, you
know, to have. So they can be liable only in a kind of a
pocketed area. But at the point where they have to finally bite
the bullet and say, Okay, we're publishers, they're going to
take these people that made lots of money on YouTube, like there
are people who have made a million dollars a year. Sure,
you can No, it's possible. A lot of it is fraud. And there's been
articles about that. And by the way, did we to piggyback on what
you just discussed. If you go back to last year, the 2020 18.
late in the year, starting probably in October, there were
a lot of New York Times articles, and you can look them
up. In fact, you can go do a search on fake YouTube views.
Yes. And you'll find that there was article after article
starting actually even started in 2015. According to this
little list, I have here where it they name names saying these
are fake views, and I've known about this and you've known
about it, and they still rack them up and this was supposed to
be the scandal that was gonna pull the rug out from under the
YouTubers and every well were one else that had advertising
support to advertisers, or another group that's kind of
stupid, and they paid no attention to these articles. And
that's when the the worm turned and they had to take this other
tact which is the article that you're talking about. And that
seems to be working well their words, screwing the YouTubers
and these other people on behalf of the old line and publishers.
The idea that it's all Fraud didn't work. So now we got this
other censorship thing going on it that seems to be working.
Adam Curry: And in fact, there was I just want to discuss
section 234 For a moment, because this is this is what
gives what indemnifies These companies from being sued for
under tort law, libel, etc. There was a an interesting
article about Google. And they were, um, it was Google's at
Facebook, and they were arguing in court. Let me see if I can
find this here. About whether they have the right to do this
or not. And they actually, they will. Here we go. The Internet
Association, which represents Facebook, Google, Twitter and
other major platforms claims that section 230 is necessary
for these firms to, quote, provide forums and tools for the
public to engage in a wide variety of activities that the
First Amendment protects. But rather than facilitate free
speech, Silicon Valley now uses section 230 to justify
censorship, leading to a Legal Policy model. For instance, in
response to a lawsuit challenging its speech policies,
Google claimed that restricting its right to censor would,
quote, impose liability on YouTube as a publisher. In the
same motion. Google argues that its right to restrict political
content also derives from its First Amendment protection for a
publishers editorial judgments. So on one hand, they say we're
not a publisher, on the other hand, they say we need to have
the rights of publishers and I went back to look at Section
230. And I've always thought that it was kind of the
distinction between publisher or platform, it's not this thing
was written in 1996, passed during Bill Clinton's reign. And
there's, you need two definitions. One, what is an
interactive computer service, which means any information
service system or access software provider that provides
or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer
server, specifically, including a service or system that
provides access to the internet, and such systems operated or
services offered by libraries or educational institutions, which
is just a comparison not a requirement. And then the
information content provider definition means any person or
entity that is responsible in whole or in part for the
creation or development of information provided through the
internet, or interactive computer service. And here is
the main part of the law that no provider or user, important of
an interactive computer service shall be treated as the
publisher or speaker of any information provided by another
information content provider, meaning YouTube, Google, anyone
where you post your stuff, what we used to call user generated.
That's, that's your problem right off the bat no matter what
it is, cannot be held liable. Yeah, on the account, no, here
we go. No provider or user of an interactive computer service
shall be held liable on the account of two cases, any action
voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or
availability of material that the provider or user considers
to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent,
harassing, or otherwise objectionable? Whether or not
such material is constitutionally protected, or
cannot be held liable by any action taken to innate to enable
or make available to information content providers or others?
Technical means to restrict access to material described in
paragraph one. So it doesn't matter what they are, it doesn't
matter, they have the right to cut to restrict to do what ever
they want. So to you, apparently, because you know,
it's user and provider. So there's no way that publisher or
anything else comes into play here. Yes, unless they are
authoring the content. Now you can argue that that an algorithm
rights
John C. Dvorak: or restructures, it no has made that argument,
but it's an interesting one. I think I could make the argument.
Yeah, well, I think that as you mentioned, it is not a bad
argument to make. It's that you have algorithms doing anything.
They are then authoring.
Adam Curry: I believe that to be true. If you have an algorithm
that can drive a car, it can probably write an article. Of
course, we know neither one. The
John C. Dvorak: point is, is that these guys are publishers
and some days will be recognized as in US law. And they will and
the prediction I was going to make is that at some point
they're going to get a clue and realize that as publishers which
they really are any way that they don't have to do this piece
of the action business with these people that are getting a
million dollars a year? Oh, they can just say, hey, we'll give
you $50,000 Just keep doing what you're doing. Yep. No,
Adam Curry: yeah, no ads. Just do whatever you're doing. So we
can have people click Other places for ads. But I think
that's pretty limited. Because again, it is the controversy
that sets advertisers off. And it's being exploited by the
mainstream who are trying to get those advertisers
John C. Dvorak: Sure. And finally got a clue it forever
the mainstream is the one promoting these things. Why are
you guys promoting this? I used to do this. Yes, PC magazine
would continually without any advertisers even taking part
because Microsoft never advertised, they kept promoting
Microsoft products. And I said, why aren't we promoting all the
competitors to Microsoft, right? Because that will keep us in
business in the future, because you'll have a lot of different
people that can advertise it'd be a richer environment. Now.
Now, you know, Microsoft makes a pretty good. So word got more
promotion, you know, we got one time there was like maybe six or
seven good word processors out there. They all boil down to
word there's nothing out there now that it's really
competitive. Remember, jazz,
Adam Curry: the lotus, jazz, Swedish jazz, Lotus jazz could
never quite get a copy. So the part that I take offense to is
the mainstream, who are disingenuously highlighting
divisive arguments for their own benefit, to take the advertise
to scare advertisers away from doing business with Silicon
Valley. I think they're doing a lot of damage to the to public
discourse, in the process of that, and I think that's, that's
egregious to me. And so I'd like to suggest a way to break them.
I've always been a radical. Because there's, there's an
inherent flaw, they have a flaw all of these companies have a
flaw that can be exploited, and we'll bring them to their knees.
interested?
John C. Dvorak: I am but at first, I want to kind of re up
or kind of back you up with this with look at this front page of
The New York Times and just tell you what the headlines are. How
can AI be weaponized to spread disinformation? Or the same
thing? This is this article shows up right under the making
of a YouTube radical, which is what you were talking about,
which also had a kind of a overhead. It had like a section
name extremism online. No one and you have perfect you have
wives and then another one, the editorial board and his writing
and editor. Why is America so far behind Europe on digital
privacy? Yep. Yep. So the whole thing is like targeting
targeting the tech community. So what's your what's your thesis?
Adam Curry: Every company Facebook, well, the ones that
matter, Facebook, Twitter, Google, or YouTube. In this
case, Google has a pretty damn good business with search. They
are now they've been they've been put on notice. They now
have to make sure that everything that's uploaded that
could possibly have ads, in fact, did not even do it.
They're just saying add yes or no, that's probably what they're
looking at this point. When you report something on Google,
Facebook or Twitter, if you report it with hate speech,
which cannot be evaluated by artificial intelligence, and is
not being evaluated by artificial intelligence, from
all reports I've read, that has to go to human being. Report
everything as hate speech, every video, every tweet, we need
scripts, we need browser extensions, everything needs to
be reported as hate speech, it will bring these companies down.
They will not be able to handle the volume. It will It will
create backlogs or create ANGER It will create people not
understanding it will bring them down. Now of course that means
we get mainstream companies as our it'll definitely
John C. Dvorak: did not understanding because if you got
to your alert comes to your desk and you get to look at it. And
somebody says hate speech. You'd have to watch the whole they got
to watch the whole thing. And then you'd have to try to say
what was the hate speech and probably have to watch it again.
This you can really screw up the system. No, no,
Adam Curry: not could. It has to happen. It is the it is the
look. Professor Ted calls you. He calls on you to stop the tech
revolution. Slow it down to this. If it wasn't for the it
being it being very divisive in culture and people getting very
angry at each other and fueled by this fight about for their
dollars, I wouldn't care that much. But now we just have to
wait gotta kill them. You gotta kill them all. Everything,
everything you see, even from me, you see a tweet from me a
video reported hate speech. Everything. That's the way and
I'll get bogged down, they will freak out. They won't know what
to do a speech taste speech.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, I look at the I know, the only
time you get attention from the Twitter when you report is if
you put some abuse of against a group or diminish certain kinds
of things. Let me check, we party exercise the system right
now and look at Twitter, and see you and report something. For
example, I'll just booted up which I can do now. And I will
look at let's just take any old random thing here, here's some
from split like they don't like them. So I'm gonna go click and
I'm just gonna go report tweet. And now it's gonna send not
interested in this tweet, which doesn't mean anything is
suspicious or spam. It displays a sensitive image, is it useful
or are harmful? You probably have to click on us abusive. And
then when you do that, it goes to it's disrespectful that no
big deal contains private information includes targeted
harassment directs and this is the big one directs hate. It's
what you're talking about hate against a protected category.
That's what you'd click on. I think if you also clicked on
threatening violence or physical harm, that would probably help a
little bit. But you got to do this.
Adam Curry: You have to be careful because COURAGING
suicide Yeah, you're going to eventually get to get kicked off
by doing this too much. Because you know if you report if you
report fraudulently do it quite a bit. Yeah, but not
fraudulently.
John C. Dvorak: No, no, mine are all legit Of course, obviously.
Adam Curry: But hey, spit hate speech. Yeah, he's like, that's
pretty it's pretty open for interpretation.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, you could do it a few times. Everyone can
do it a few times you like getting kicked off keep them
busy. Take the show and they'll kick you off. It's pretty
protected. I've got the check mark.
Adam Curry: You've got the Mark of the Beast is right you've got
your anything but protected. They've been waiting to kick
your ass off for a long time. One misstep Devora were
unverified you It's like taking away your personality never
John C. Dvorak: seen him I don't know who's ever been unverified?
Verification it has happened to not like a knighting it has
happened
Adam Curry: yes. It has happened to people that the checkmark got
taken away what is
John C. Dvorak: it what what is the point the verification is
there for a purpose? Not it's to mean that the person that says
who they say they are are who they are they?
Adam Curry: They unverified Milo Yiannopoulos before they kicked
him off, which was funny we laughed about
John C. Dvorak: it. I can remember them on verifying yes
the unverified him well, that makes zero sense. Yeah, well,
that's effective. He's not verified and maybe it's not Milo
and they why would they kick him off and kick it off some random
guy it doesn't make so I'm not gonna rehash that. It's of
course it doesn't make sense in their own terms of service.
Adam Curry: report them for hate speech
John C. Dvorak: divorce should shut down.
Adam Curry: Before we go to our break, since we took a little
time on that I there's some some new information that I'd like to
report regarding the Boeing 737 Max eight. You know, these
problems with M cast software, that's the you know, we've we've
kind of been through this, how they they change the aircraft
didn't make the changes clear to pilots, you know, didn't really
document them the way they could have been. And then with one
faulty sensor, all kinds of things went haywire and 346
people died into these aircraft. Now, when Obama was president,
the FAA certification system, the ODA organization
designation, authorization program was being pushed very
hard by the administration to it to fast track sales of Boeing
and to push through it push the pipeline as fast as possible.
Under the program. companies like Boeing were able to appoint
their own representatives to act instead of the FAA inspectors.
And I don't know if we talked about it in that to that degree
at the time. This was taking place.
John C. Dvorak: The time it took place. We've talked about it
since a little bit. I mean, it's the big complaint that
everyone's pointing the finger at Boeing inspectors, well, in
Adam Curry: fact, this put Boeing themselves in charge of
certifying their software. Right. And I want to play a
quick clip here from Obama, as he was, I think, well, it's it's
not really important exactly what he was signing is what he
says,
Unknown: I want to say, make us a special note to some of the
small businesses that have been represented here. Because what
we've seen is that when small and medium sized businesses can
can cut through the red tape and understand how to export
actually, they can compete pretty well. And that's an area
where we can make make significant progress. Obviously,
big companies like Xerox or Boeing, we want to keep on
growing them because small businesses are the up and down
the supply chain. And our when when we sell a bunch of
airplanes, a lot of small businesses and medium sized
businesses are benefiting from that as well. But I'm very
enthusiastic about this. I think, Jim, at least will
confirm that. I'm happy to go out and make sales. I'm
expecting a gold watch. from Boeing at the end of my
presidency, because I know that I'm on the on the list of top
salesmen at Boeing, and indeed,
Adam Curry: Boeing donated $10 million to the Obama
Presidential Library in Chicago. But who cares? People dead
doesn't matter. Thanks for the gold watch everybody.
John C. Dvorak: That's a pretty expensive gold watch.
Adam Curry: Yeah. He just said it. Can you imagine if any other
President had said that? I want a gold watch. I'm the best
Boeing salesman. I think Trump says he's the best Boeing
salesman often, but he's never asked for a gold watch. And, and
people died because of the administration's policies of
having a is just like the FDA, having the companies themselves
police themselves. What the hell are we paying YouTuber Jumoke
for?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, what's the point? Yeah.
Adam Curry: It's called collusion. Collusion, collusion.
And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage say in the
morning to you the man who put the C and commercial
deplatforming John C. Devorah. In the morning to
John C. Dvorak: you and Mr. Adam curry in the morning to all
ships and see boots on the ground feed near subs in the
water and all the names and eights out there in the
Adam Curry: morning to the trolls in the troll room. No
agenda stream.com is where you can always participate in the
conversation that goes on there and you can listen to the stream
it is there's always something interesting on the stream last
night. That what do you have Nick the rat last night? I think
we had Nick I think he's still in Ireland. This morning before
the show started Darren No. This thing there's great music.
There's podsafe music, there's talk to walk in. There's
trolling going on no agenda stream.com Also in the morning
to Darren O'Neill. There's his name twice in one show. He
brought us the artwork for episode 1145 1144. So title of
that, and that was a Thursday show was climate optimist. And
there was a now we went for the cheap laughs homeless hookers
was the artwork. It was just good.
John C. Dvorak: Keep laughs If especially if it's done
artistically is always a winner.
Adam Curry: There was something else we were going to mention
about the artwork. Was it something else we're going to
say?
John C. Dvorak: Well, we were going to talk about Yes, we were
gonna say something. Do you remember what I don't remember
what it was?
We talked about these things after the show and the post
mortem and then we never talked about him afterwards. But let me
take a look at the list here. This stuff that's going out.
There's the jock strap. That was kind of funny. Oh, yeah, we did
like the we did the other day. Mike Riley's Yeah, it was the
deflated. Mike Riley piece scissored. And the problem with
that it was it was just didn't have enough other elements. It's
good piece. No, didn't have any piano degree had anything
specific to say.
Adam Curry: Okay, I just had a note here. Remember to talk
about it. And I guess I didn't.
John C. Dvorak: Obviously you didn't know how to be more
specific should work on. My audience says let's talk about
this.
Adam Curry: Exactly. All right. We do have some people to
John C. Dvorak: fuel the thing with them. We have a top heavy
day today. We didn't get a lot of donations. But in the y'all
came in at the top so you'll see it in the second half. Did we
only have 35 people that donated their money 2018 20,000 20,000
francs. No. But we had some big ones like Lisa Donner key $1,000
She says you guys are the best top of the heap in my book. I
wish I could listen more often. Play me something funny and keep
it keep up the great work you guys rock
Adam Curry: Now, Lisa, so this is an instant Daming.
John C. Dvorak: You never says that. And
Adam Curry: I'll tell you why. First of all, I know who this is
because I only met her just yesterday.
John C. Dvorak: Would you meet her? Where did you meet her?
Adam Curry: I met her online.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, that's not?
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Because she is the Exec. I think she's
the Executive Managing Editor. She is the number two head
honcho at Liberty nation. Oh, and she tweeted, she said, this
was a poll that we took so we didn't we didn't create it. Like
you know, PC magazine would create those bullcrap polls no
was it was something where they just make it up. It's
John C. Dvorak: not PC Magazine is 99% of all publications,
editors. I've told it said this before the editors sit around
usually at lunch to get a luncheon and they discuss who
should be on the top ran. Right. Exactly. And there's always one
joker and put that guy always wants to put some joke person in
there. Yeah, of course. Course I did it.
Adam Curry: That's what you do. So she said no, this was a poll.
And and she's a big fan. That Lisa Kay Donner and and she said
I voted number one and I guess her photo editor she voted us as
number one the people at Liberty nation listen to us There you
go. That's that's that's what's going on. It's it's unnecessary,
but well for the show is very necessary. Miss Lisa, Donna,
thank you very much. I I'd like to date her but I don't know.
Can we just wait and see if she comes back
John C. Dvorak: with a name? Because she may have some she
wants to buy some suggestions. The black knighting because she
Adam Curry: No no, no, no, no, it wouldn't be a black knighting
but it's a very very very nice show support.
John C. Dvorak: She says we already got number three.
Adam Curry: And she does ask for something funny Keep up the
great work you guys rock Thank you very much. I picked
something funny for you also going to give you some karma
because you deserve it
it's fitting ABC easy as 123 racist as couldn't be. We are
now All right, everybody. And thank actually if you look at
the their mission statement, they're not an alt right or
necessarily conservative publication. They claim to have
libertarian libertarian, correct?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah, kind of, you know, there's so many
different schools of libertarian Yeah, who knows I myself used to
call myself a libertarian, especially in the early days the
show stopped it
Adam Curry: because yeah, it fits in anywhere now. Or when
people started saying to me, you're probably libertarian.
That's when I was like, no, no, that's when I stop. Like, No,
they'll just the way you said that. I don't want to be
whatever you had on your mind. Yeah. I said, I'm nothing I'm
where you ought to be.
John C. Dvorak: Technically, because there's a fourth
category in California you can be you can be a libertarian. You
can be subscribing to any of these. Peace and Freedom Party,
Republican, Democrat or Independent. When you get a
ballot, the independents have their ballot. But there's the
real category you want to be in. On affiliated Yes. And you so
you go into the voting booth is Oh, you're unaffiliated. Which
ballot would you like? Yes,
Adam Curry: I'm unambiguous.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And then biggest Miko, Mugler comes in
second play. Yeah, he's got a Fort Knox Tennessee. You got a
note from him? 635 bucks. Yeah, he said a check in and he says
please de douche me. This is long overdue donation. You spend
de deuced I'm calling this the F 35. Donation. $635. If the F 35
The fighter jet, you have to read book is still a thing. I
would like kind of a show thing. But it's not like for you. We
probably should have a wiki page with people just putting their
own predictions in Yeah, I would like to add the following. July
2019. Is a release of Top Gun to seeing that Tom Cruise has gone
from being an American action hero to that of a global one. I
predict the following I can cruise Yeah, and I I'm going to
encourage people to put send their predictions in with large
donations. Tom Cruise will be the poster child for global
sales for the F 35 Why else do we need another Top Gun movie, I
can think of no other global actor better positioned to
generate worldwide sales.
Adam Curry: So I'm on board with that. I like the positioning. I
like it. I like it a lot.
John C. Dvorak: My other requests is have a personal and
I was medically retired from the army back in 2013. Last fall, I
received a 100% permanent disability permanent and total
disability rating from the VA. That was keeping my fingers
crossed for 50%. In light of this May I convert my title to
he exactly is a sir by the way. Sir Michael? Yes, Sir Michael
Mugler I've read has been donated quite a bit until
lately. I want to convert my title to Sir anthrax failed
vaccine tester. So we have to assume
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, that's what if you get a full medical
discharge, you have to assume that considering the the
military shoots those guys up with everything
John C. Dvorak: that we have to assume he was a failed vaccine
tester and he's got some government he's got anthrax
army. As I start this new chapter in my life I'm glad to
have you guys and this show to keep me grounded karma pleased
to support my July court date was Social Security to receive
disability. Jungle request. Fear is freedom jungle, I said just
jingle sphere is freedom. Thanks again for all the years of
deconstruction, and helping me deal with my changes in
personality and loss of short term memory. Why Michael?
Adam Curry: Holy crap, sir. Anthrax failed vaccine tester.
Thank you so much. Freedom. Liberation, contradiction is the
facts of this world. Karma it's kind of like, Wow, man. I know
that because we get lots of emails from from servicemen and
women, who say, Oh, yeah, no, they shoot us up with vaccines.
And then, you know, they have to come back two months later and
said they couldn't find the paperwork that they just shot
up, shot me up with some vaccines, I have to do them all
over again. When you're in the armed forces in the United in
these United States of determination, you are often a
guinea pig.
John C. Dvorak: Which is really not a good thing. Not a good
Adam Curry: thing. For your courage,
John C. Dvorak: check and make sure he's not on the upgrade
list. So you're gonna have to put him on manually
Adam Curry: because Oh, you mean that title change list? Yeah, of
course. Of course. It was just sort of Mike, wasn't he? As far
as I know. Yeah, I
John C. Dvorak: think so. Mike Mugler. It was may have been
something else but it's fine. He's gonna be changed anyway. I
Isabelle Pearson $555.35 ITM gents. This donation is
particularly important as according to my subscription, it
will take me over the all important amount excuse me also,
just ahead of the London meetup which I'll be attending. Oh,
nice. Yeah, it's gonna be at the Victorian pub and they were
there by Paddington. This is where we had our other meetup
Adam Curry: Yes, we decided to go for for a sure thing.
John C. Dvorak: So we probably just do him there forever. Yeah,
why not? And Wednesday is going to be better in Art Night we did
a Friday or Saturday night it was packed. I actually tried Pay
Pal notwithstanding to donate consistently and for as long as
I can remember. Never totting up this amount as I felt it was
value for value and having a title wasn't so important. My
regular payments aren't linked to my subscriber amount, but I'm
going to make this one count. claiming a title again is so
appealing since I was denied listening to the show for a few
months whilst whilst in hospital she in the United States now
Adam Curry: she's British she's she gets a pass on this this
language.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's right. She's gonna go meet her
meet up Yeah, okay. Yeah, whilst in hospital. I think it should
say why it was that the first hospital visits since you left
university. Thankfully, making a good recovery How time flies is
YouTube actually disgust me on show 3170 for a humbling couple
of minutes. Oh,
Adam Curry: yes. Quarter droppin I remember. Sure.
John C. Dvorak: As I pointed out that I'd listened to you since
the first show. You then felt that there were fewer female
supporters. However, I was so proud that in your own words,
you stated that I had been found and identified the female
listener, the first female listener, in fact, anyway, roll
on Wednesday when I'll meet Tina and Adam. Isabel,
Adam Curry: as she's going to be Dane Isabel Pearson Eric the
show did put Lisa Donner on as a dame. I just feel that Uh, I
don't know we'll wait we'll wait for her but Isabel is going to
be a dame she had no specific name so perfect. And look
forward to meeting you in person on Wednesday. Wow, that's 11
years she has been list except for a few months when she was in
hospital and out of commission.
John C. Dvorak: That's great. That's gonna be great. I'm gonna
think it'd be a good meetup maker
Adam Curry: some karma here. Thank you very much, Isabel. See
you. You've got karma at the roundtable later and in, in
London at the meetup on Wednesday. Excellent.
John C. Dvorak: Well, maybe Derek got a note or something as
possible from Lisa. What does he have a big day
Adam Curry: Dame Lisa Dame what would you do that? Yeah,
John C. Dvorak: I trust that she gives you what's changed your
title. We
Adam Curry: can always change that. Okay, so we'll just do.
Dame Lisa Donner and Dame Isabel Pierce. Okay, good.
John C. Dvorak: Good. That's fine. Nobody has to get fancy.
And this is a funny show, like getting fancy. Justin Biss
Bissette. In what tato diwata. Tada. wasa Wisconsin. Now,
somebody sent us a pronunciation Gadgeteer on how to pronounce
all these funny names, which are all apparently Old French. Yeah.
That was this name in there. I don't know. I meant to Prentiss
said stick it up. It
Adam Curry: should be it should be I don't I don't recall.
John C. Dvorak: But Todd Tosa. What's atossa I don't know.
We'll we'll birthday donation Hello, John and Adam from what?
Wauwatosa while Wauwatosa last year my wife Tiffany feel you
know when we first started doing this show in the first maybe the
third season? I got to know because obviously you really do
a wonderful job of pronouncing Wisconsin names because they're
all crazy. And now I'm condemned for being the worst at it.
Adam Curry: I don't think condemned is right people just
want to help you.
John C. Dvorak: Last year my wife Tiffany feeler donated for
her birthday June 8, and asked for some health karma they
helped karma was for her brain surgery to deal with trigeminal
neuralgia. I think it's a way to pronounce it. If you happen to
recall this is the disease that is nicknamed the suicide disease
and causes pain to the face. Like a teaser.
Adam Curry: Yes, I remember this.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I vaguely remember it. It sounds horrible.
I betcha she
Adam Curry: remembered
John C. Dvorak: what sounds like what is the thing you get from
when you had chickenpox and later in life? He gets something
else.
Adam Curry: Scales No. What's it called the scales. gills.
John C. Dvorak: This chatroom knows what I'm talking about.
It's around your it's a shingles, shingles. This
horrible, horrible pains scales guild shingles scale.
Adam Curry: I knew we'd get there.
John C. Dvorak: Well, I'm very happy he continues well, I'm
very happy to report that yet again. No agenda karma works.
pain free for a year and has been kicking acid recovery. On
top of the health karma there must have been some jobs karma
too because she now has a job she loves. So here's Happy
birthday to my smokin hot wife can you play a Sharpton clip
shapeshifting Jew and a goat scream another dose of health
karma we'd be appreciate it too. Thanks for all you guys do
Adam Curry: absolutely Justin we could not be happier this is
this is a very good note and of course she's on a Tiffany's on
the list so we'll be congratulating her later and I
even pulled up a a fresh Sharpton did he to play for you
Unknown: ultimately end up backfiring on the Republicans
are they over jumping the runway here couldn't help shapeshifting
Jews shapes and illustrations karma
John C. Dvorak: good catch by someone. What? The Sharpton clip
I want you to show.
Adam Curry: No, no, this is that's an old one. It's an oldie
but a goodie is an old one. I pulled it from the archives.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, I don't remember it. Well, anyway,
that's it. We don't have any Associate Executive producers
for show well before dots. That's something that hasn't
happened often. No, usually the other way around. That's
Adam Curry: very odd. Well, the way we run this show is we'd
like to thank as many people as possible for their support of
the program. It's how the value for value system where some
people get value out of hearing their name and having the note
read. Most get the value out of what they get from the program
and then telling us about it. People want jobs, karma health
karma. It's all pieces of the network that you came up with.
We didn't. And we, we always like to thank, in fact, very
much like Hollywood, our executive producers and
Associate Executive Producers up front. It's odd though, that we
didn't have any associates. So it's $300 and above for
executive 200 above for Associate Executive. And when
you of course, thank everyone over $50. In our second segment,
I was thinking of something. An idea, John, just an idea. Since
we were not anti some of taking some of the mainstream ideas
such as executive producer, it's exactly the executive producers
put money into the project. That's exactly what they do. So
it's a valid it's a valuable title. And it works anywhere
titles are accepted. I have not been able to come up with a name
for the studio yet and every show I'll get notes after the
show. I really miss you saying you know, in the five by nine,
Claudia, well, I can't say that because I'm not in the studio
anymore. I was thinking if we, we just follow along with some
of the mainstream things that we do like to emulate, such as
knighthoods. Now, that's very mainstream. It's been around for
a couple 1000 years.
John C. Dvorak: Before we go on, how about putting a little sign
outside the doors and calling it to tissues, studios?
Adam Curry: Well, you're you you almost have what I was thinking.
Studio naming rights. We've got the Nokia theatre we've got
everything has a name
John C. Dvorak: is a great idea. And this by the way did wasn't a
network TV idea. This came from the one of the first places that
this evolved from was the San Francisco Giants Candlestick
Park, which was you know his name, but I forgot what the
first day was now. But they became monster field and all
these different things. And it went from like, hey, I'll give
you $50,000 If you call your stadium, okay, we'll take it.
And then they realized that wait a minute. And so they upped it
to half a million now I think it's millions of dollars for
naming rights. And
Adam Curry: I'm not quite sure what the parameters are. But I
would love to see like your auction, the the Nussbaum
studio. It could be could be anything like that. So it's
something we need to work on. But I just came to me, it's more
like, I want to be able to call the studio something. But why
don't we just get do naming rights and they could be
limited. They could be naming rights for one show one week,
one month? I don't know. It's just something to think about.
John C. Dvorak: Let's mull it over, mull it over and then in
the next meeting,
Adam Curry: okay. It's the meeting over. That's how our
meetings go.
John C. Dvorak: Hey, guys. Yeah, pretty much. I would like to
read a note before I continue. Sure. This is the one of our
nights it's going to be knighted today, sir white noise. Todd
Moore's note, I just thought it was an interesting note I came
through and it's kind of funny. Because one of those insightful
notes be from a guy who doesn't, doesn't care that he likes to
reveal that he started at the CIA is no BS no begins. My
career started at the CIA while in college as a dude named Ben I
eventually worked for Director John dois. Or Deus. And George
Tenet,
Adam Curry: we know him Oh, he's so which way am I? So
experience? So this goes back a while?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, does. One time my boss told me to swap out
the green phone at an office located in the basement of
headquarters? Yeah,
Adam Curry: let me just say, hold on. If If my boss told me
go swap out the green phone in the basement. I'd be thinking
they were going to whack me. I wouldn't go I wouldn't want to
go down to the basement
John C. Dvorak: one word. Yes, yes. Yes. He's gonna get
promoted Casino. Yeah, yeah, it sounds like it sounds like it.
The mafia. Mafia hit. One time my boss told me to swap out the
green phone at an office located in the basement of headquarters.
This is an odd request. Because of all the offices I supported.
Were at the top floors of HQ. After now I'm assuming this is
Langley. After navigating my way through a maze of narrow
hallways. I finally arrived at the office and walked in. It was
a small this actually is a movie scene. It was a small dark room
that had outdated furniture from the 50s. Everything was old,
including the man behind the desk who was smoking a fucking
cigar like a boss was great. headquarters has a smoke free
facility. But this dude was just puffing away while the secretary
who was just as old was typing something out of her ancient
typewriter. I felt like I teleported back in time. The old
man in what was probably an effort to brag about his former
glory asked quote, do you see those boxes? He pointed over to
boxes with labels. JFK, Iran Contra and Roswell. Right at
Roswell you get so many security briefings drilled into your head
about the need to know policy that even though I wanted to
know, I didn't need to know, so I didn't ask any questions. I
have no idea who he was, but it was my most bizarre experience
there. I would greatly appreciate it mentioned for my
latest app, play a pod play a pod player a
Adam Curry: layup isn't like an im a player or play a play a
pod. Pl a Y A because I got to play a pod right
John C. Dvorak: here. Like the play I get to play, which is the
best way to listen to the best podcast in the universe. No
agenda has been featured in play of pod since inception. I'll
eventually adopt your value for value model. But for now, it's a
non money making passion project. Ah, you and Adam make
an awesome team. And I really enjoy the FIM five M beatings.
regularly give. Thanks for keeping us all sane. And please
send me some mobile app karma. I'll check that. Specifically
you have my permission to read my name. And she and later on
the show Todd more. All right.
Adam Curry: Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Great
story. I'd love to know more about this room. Sounds good
with the rise box over USB Roswell box and play a pod.
Yeah, I'll check it out. I'll tweet out a link to it later on.
Very cool. Thank you. And here is some play a pod app karma for
you. Thank you for your support of the show. You've got karma.
He will become a knight today. And he was on the 20 month
layaway plan. Congratulations. It does work. Thanks, everybody
for your support of the program, especially our executive
producers that we had today will be thanking more people $50 And
above and our second segment. The next show will be coming to
you from London in Gitmo nation east the United Kingdom as the
keeper and I'll be flying in on Wednesday for our meetup more
about the meetups later on. And of course you can support us at
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a pretty sure you got a good dose of deconstruction on the
latest ad pocalypse go up propagate that
John C. Dvorak: our formula is this we go out for yet people in
the mouth
we've gotten of quite a while here and I don't believe we
played a clip.
Adam Curry: Well, we we've played a few clips. But we've we
have been chatting a bit. Yes.
John C. Dvorak: I have a final entre. Hold on, hold on, hold
on, hold on, hold
Adam Curry: on, hold on, hold on. When we do this, I have to
say, your aircraft and then you say my aircraft so that I know
that you have control. So it's your aircraft.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, it's my aircraft, you're good to go.
Here's an old Bob Hope movie clip from PRI think is from the
40s. Maybe the 50s. But it just shows you that things do not
change the way people like to imagine that they do
Unknown: you live here? Yeah, maybe you know what a zombie is
when a person dies. And there's various things that certain
voodoo priests who have the power to bring him back to life.
That's worse than horrible because a zombie has no will of
his own. You see them sometimes walking around blindly with dead
eyes, following orders. Not knowing what they do not caring.
If you mean like Democrat.
Adam Curry: I've seen this one. Yeah, I guess the bashing has
been going on for a while. What year was that? That?
John C. Dvorak: I don't know. It's probably I'm guessing the
late 40s.
Adam Curry: It's a classic. It's a classic. Very nice. It's
John C. Dvorak: a classic.
Adam Curry: I think I'm right. About the 2024 moon shot. It
seems like that's bullcrap. Like it's not going to happen
John C. Dvorak: was Trump's already put the kibosh on it
hasn't he? Yeah, he's saying
Adam Curry: like, no, no, let's not waste any time on the moon
to the Mars to Mars. We must go Oh, please. So here's what
here's how it happens. Someone goes present, you know about the
about the moon thing? As is problematic, guys, you know, why
don't you say Mars push it out a little bit. That'd be better for
us, you know, could be is presently. I have a couple of
clips here for you, Mr. President. This is done petite,
former NASA astronaut. He has something to say go
John C. Dvorak: to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we
don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to, but we
destroyed that technology. And it's a painful process to build
it back again.
Adam Curry: Yeah, Mr. President, I don't think we should probably
talk about something else with the moon because I don't think
we can do it. Here's Jeanne Krantz, the Apollo 11 NASA
flight director. I haven't seen anything that indicates the
telemetry that is even in existence and as I said even if
we hadn't we don't have the machines to play it back. But
your you your own research has shown the telemetry data is
missing. That's, that's right. Oh, the telemetry data of all
the morning is missing. We can't eat. We don't even have a
machine to play it. But Mr. President, here's something from
David Williams. Dr. Williams is the archivist also known as
hoarder at NASA Goddard Space Center, that surely he would
know where all the tapes and the telemetry is you're making now
what is it
John C. Dvorak: doesn't have a name? I mean, do you have you
have a name for it yet? Are you okay? Did we go? Should we go?
Okay. Okay. doesn't have an either. So right as an ad writes
and doesn't write,
right, we we've been unable to track it down. I mean, we don't
know where this this telemetry data ended up. And we don't know
what path it may have taken. So unfortunately, I'm afraid I
can't really give you much of a clue as to as to where this data
ended up and whether it still exists
Adam Curry: on the cutting room floor where the rest of all the
movies theater crap.
John C. Dvorak: Yield little space.
Adam Curry: You have very little faith, very little faith. What I
do see is I see a Bebo showing his his his landing module, and
he shows it in a beautiful CGI animated thing that looks pretty
real. So Lisa getting that part, right?
John C. Dvorak: Well, they did they do have a fallback thing
they're going to do to get your attention. Oh, and that's this
clip that says trips to the space station.
Want to go into space? NASA said today it's going to open the
International Space Station to tourists might happen as early
as next year, but it won't be cheap. Private companies, Boeing
and SpaceX are expected to charge get this up to $58
million. And that's round trip. Guess how much room and board is
$35,000 at night?
Yeah, and you have to be there for 30 days. No, cool. Sounds
boring. It sounds extreme. Yeah, you're gonna be
Adam Curry: I mean, it was really cool. I'd love to blast
off and sit up there for a bit. But after a couple days, we're
like, alright, adios. mofos I'm tired of pooping in the bag. I'm
gonna go home.
John C. Dvorak: And when I go home, and you know, they have to
do psychological things with these guys who are the
astronauts and the women. They're all tested to death and
gone through, you know, center of, you know, this thing that
spins them around and, and they do psychological testing,
because not everyone is equipped to be up there because it is
boring. And you gotta you're stuck. And you got to poop in a
thing that sucks that it has some vacuum device and is spit
floating around inside. I mean, there's a lot of things that you
have to deal with. And it's not for the general public. It's not
like going to Disneyland. No, no. But some jerks will go up
there. You can count on it. There's more than a few
billionaires where 50 billion bucks maybe plus expenses. I
think
Adam Curry: your your initial comment is correct. It's it's a
great distraction. Since there will be no moon landing in 2024
telling you right now is not going to happen. I'm willing to
do the show until 2024. Just to prove it. Yeah, yes. stubborn
guy just to celebrate.
John C. Dvorak: Hey, there's one story that did kind of annoyed
me because I went to ABC, CBS public went all over the place.
There's a C six week cycle event. Yes. That took place in
New York, New York City. Yes. And only CBS the CIA
broadcasting system were the only ones who reported it. And
it was somewhat annoying because it's a really good event but as
follows the same old pattern, where the FBI found some guy
took him for about a year to get this guy to radicalize the guy,
even though they should just put them on YouTube apparently would
have radicalized himself in just a few videos. But besides that,
it took him about a year to get the guy to do all the things
they needed to do and as soon as he finally they finally arrested
him for buying a gun from another agent. And this is this
story never really got a lot of attention. I gave me a lot of
it. I liked it. Go
Unknown: versus tell CBS News The FBI keyed in on Asha qual
olam based on suspicious social media activity and reached out
to him in August 2018. Over 10 months of clandestine meetings
with an undercover officer olam praise al Qaeda and ISIS. Wait a
Adam Curry: minute. So there was suspicious social media activity
instead of going over to this guy and saying, Hey, bro, could
you stop the suspicious behavior because you're looking a lot
like ISIS and just confronting him? None and none of
John C. Dvorak: that would be policing. Oh, that's trying to
keep the, you know, public sakes. was silly. You don't want
to do that. You want to make it worse. Yes.
Unknown: Over 10 months of clandestine meetings with an
undercover officer, olam preys on Qaeda and ISIS. According to
court papers alarm said the September 11 attacks were a
complete success, and it was the duty of Muslims to make a new
leader. The 22 year old Bangladeshi immigrant from
Queens zeroed in on attacking New York City. Alarm said he
wanted to use suicide vests or AR 15 rifles in an attack on
Time Square. He and the undercover agent went on several
reconnaissance runs their alarm said a successful attack would
make them legends. Prosecutor say alarm also expressed
interest in other New York City landmarks, including attacking
the Freedom Tower with a rocket launcher. Jerry Hauer is the
former head of New York state's Department of Homeland Security.
With somebody like this, you try and keep them under surveillance
as long as possible to see if he's tied to a network
in a sting operation. Yesterday Alon purchased two Glock
handguns with the serial number scratched off from other
undercover officers. He was then quickly arrested. A judge
ordered a longhouse saying he posed a danger. And he wasn't
just talking big David, sources tell us the FBI believed he was
committed enough to carry out an attack. His public defenders
have not yet commented,
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on, where's the rest of the story about the
network that they uncovered? Because they kept this guide
strung along for 10 months. So there's no network has just said
there was a network. But they said that he literally said we
like to do this, so that we can find out if there's a network
behind it, but it took them 10 months, he said, but
John C. Dvorak: they didn't find one. No. It's alone.
Adam Curry: So we received information years ago, that
every six weeks or so, and such FBI likes to do one of these, or
at least go and arrest someone, it's like a boy six, we've got
time. So they can keep their resources, their budgets and be
relevant in the counter terrorism game, because there's
a lot of different players in government, and they need to
keep their budgets and their position. And that's why they do
this. I was reading a similar. I was reading a similar affidavit
the other day, which I think also belongs in the cycle, but I
didn't, I didn't put it in the show notes because it had this
was a a pedophile network, they unraveled and do that to you and
they kept this one guy going with an undercover informant.
And now this Oh, no, this is the doctor pizza. This is the guy
who wrote
John C. Dvorak: for Ars Technica talking about a guy who's a
creep.
Adam Curry: So but if you read the transcript of him thinking
he's communicating with the mother, the mother of an 11 year
old, how stupid is this guy? On kink? De whatever the social,
John C. Dvorak: the kinky or something you're hurting? Yes,
gotta be a kick.
Adam Curry: And so the undercover informant, which is
in this case of an FBI agent, is talking about oh, yeah, you
know, my daughter could probably handle the tip. I mean, if
you're, how sick Are you that you're trying to be? That's it
actually, the first time in my life. I actually almost felt
physically sick. Just reading the FBI is doing that with these
people to entrap them. The guy.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's just sick in a lot of different ways.
But you've got to see a video of this character. Oh, no.
Adam Curry: I've seen picture this guy.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, no pictures. Don't do him justice. You have
to see a video of him. He is. He is just like a stereotype.
Weirdo. Yeah, and he's like a tech reviewer. Yeah, geez. Well,
so yeah. Anyway, back way back to the other thing. I had to say
something about that clip. Yeah. So this guy wants to do suicide
bombings, who doesn't give a shit about the future? I mean,
he's obviously just a loser. That's easily cajoled into doing
this. You know, blowing up New York if he could. Yeah. So why
does he need to buy Glocks and have the serial number removed?
Adam Curry: Why Excellent point.
John C. Dvorak: What difference does it make
Adam Curry: if he's gonna if he's gonna go down in flames?
Yeah, I totally agree.
John C. Dvorak: So that they put that little bit in there to to I
think it was just thrown in to be like, Oh, that's how bad he
is. He's biting is also throws the gun argument all zero
numbers have been erased from the guns. Yeah, there's been a
lot of anti gun subtle and weird anti gun stuff going on. Discuss
this any further but I'm, I've noticed it.
Adam Curry: Alright, I have a couple of green New Deal clips
that are worthwhile. Okay. The first is a news. A new airline,
a new Swedish airline. Called bra vra. vra. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
I know. You can make the jokes. Don't worry. The clip includes
the joke too. So it's bra and bra has a new Whoo class that
you can fly environment class. And I think that will this clip
is from a YouTuber who is an influencer. And he has the Harry
and David endorsements stuff. So I'm pretty sure they invite a
lot of influencers to take one of these flights on bra. So
hopefully they would talk about it. And so this kid, I think
he's Swedish. He's doing his little YouTube bit but just
listen to what he's selling and what brought indirectly is
selling and how people are falling for this
Unknown: airline is not only a flying bra, it also happens to
be the world's most eco conscious airline. We love a
sustainable draw. Today I booked a class I've never flown before
I've flown economy Premium Economy, business class and
first class. But today I'm flying environment class and I
know you're thinking Well, recently, the Swedish airline
brought launched a class called environment class, where you get
to fly on biofuel for about $30 Extra so the ticket to solve
them is already only about $50 for adults. And then you add
another $30 And you're flying on a fully climate compensated
sustainable by biofuel ticket
Adam Curry: and Okay, so, for 80% of the cost of the ticket
you add on from 50 euros you add on 30 euros, you're you are
convinced that you are now fully what do you call it climate
compensated climate compensated completely eco friendly
John C. Dvorak: they got to today to try and buy some what
this is a bullshit story
Adam Curry: well hold on we'll get to it.
Unknown: Climate compensated with sustainable biofuel ticket
and not only that, but the planet served by a propeller
plane to super environmentally friendly.
Adam Curry: I want you to know propeller plane is super
environmentally friendly. Listen brah propeller planes use the
same engine is it's a jet engine is just as propeller on the
outsides of the inside, not as much environmentally friendly.
Unknown: So with all those things combined, this is the
future of eco friendly domestic flying. And I'm so excited about
it, I do have a lot of anxiety about the environmental impact
my flying has, since the start of this year, I've climate
compensated all my trips, but it feels really good to be flying
an airline that actually goes even further. Even though bra
has a stupid name. They're doing something very, very well. And I
think it's nice that they give every passenger the option to
add the environment class to their ticket because it makes
people put their money where their mouth is, if you care
about the environment, but you still want the efficiency of
flying, you got to pay.
Adam Curry: So this is great because he's buying into it. And
I think a lot of young people will buy into this idea that oh,
if I can pay my way out of it, which is what we're being taught
with the Paris accord and everything you can pay your way
out of this problem. What you're doing is you are not solving
anything, you are literally purchasing a credit, the right
for this company, this Brock company to pollute to the degree
that you fly. So and I think you've probably overpaying for
that. But okay, so your ticket was 50 You're paying 30 to give
them a credit that allows them to pollute so you're not
stopping pollution, you're giving them a credit. This
credit is not something they pay for in full, it is tradable this
credit, you're giving them extra money, they can trade this, like
give them a like a share of stock or a foreign currency that
they can then use in other ways you're being ripped off and
you're believing that you're solving something and it's sad
Yes, I thought you said that you wanted to say something? I guess
not.
John C. Dvorak: Well, I was just looking at these various fuels.
Again, I tried to re familiarize myself with the fuels at these
turbo props which are name it's jet one a it's a shiny fusions
with well, they apparently some turbo props run out of gas to
Adam Curry: turbo. Well. Yeah. Okay. second clip. The
John C. Dvorak: guy by the way, a couple of things. Yeah, I just
stood out to me, is very weird. The first time I flew on any of
the Nordic air carriers, which was Icelandic. I noticed that
they had two classes as a service business, and then they
had the economy. And then I think I've flown on fin air and
they'd say, you have the same kind of situation they do not
have first classes. Now these know more errors. And I asked
about this, and they said we as a culture we do not believe
there is such a thing as a first class. We're not a classes
society, and in fact, the Swedes above all are a egalitarian ins,
which is one of the reasons they're having so much trouble
with their migrants because they believe that as a egalitarian,
is everyone's equal, and you know, so that's why they all
stories about you should read everyone. If you go to Sweden,
you should definitely read one of the sociology books or
cultural anthropology books about wheat, so you have a
feeling for what it's like, and they don't they just like the
ideas that the boss gets the coffee for the Secretary more
often than not. And it's great when I heard this the disk
operation as a first class is what he said. Yeah, this is
bullcrap.
Adam Curry: Environmental class. He didn't say it had a first
class. He said there was a first class now he said he's flown
first class. Oh, okay.
John C. Dvorak: So he wasn't the Swedes, okay? jumped out at me.
Adam Curry: That's all right. So there's a, an outfit that is
promoting. It's all a part of the same former Bernie bro
people is promoting the green New Deal. And this outfit is
called new consensus. And they seem to be in business, only to
promote the green New Deal. So this is an ally of Alexandria,
Ocasio Cortes, and whoever else sponsored the resolution, which
did not get passed. But she was interviewed recently. Yet I just
thought that her numbers were interesting. Now we we've heard
the Alexandria Ocasio Cortes say that this is our World War Two,
within 12 years, it's not gonna matter. She's walked that back
saying you have to be stupid, not understand that was a joke,
or whatever it was. So here is the to the kids here is Rihanna
gun. Right. And she is the Policy Director of new
consensus.
John C. Dvorak: A CNN SSRS poll indicates that 82% of Democrats
say that aggressive action on climate change is necessary. How
do you get this? I mean, there's so many things if you talk to
voters out there, and there's so many things are concerned about
right now. Health care and gun violence and immigration. And
the economy. Climate change is obviously up there. And it's
often number 123 or four. But how do you make the argument
that it needs a separate discussion? Why Why not health
care? So in the issues that you just brought up, climate change
is one of the main drivers of our public health. So the
difference between, say 1.5 degrees of warming, which is the
least that folks think that we can get to two, you're talking
about 150 million deaths, that's 25. Holocaust. Right. So how is
that not a health issue? How is that not about health care?
Adam Curry: Oh, baby, I love it. 25, Holocaust 400,000 Hiroshima
bombs. It's crazy, right?
Unknown: We're talking about immigration, climate change is
gonna bring hundreds and millions of, of climate migrants
and climate refugees both from outside the US and inside the
US, as you see people move. So even the issues that you
outline, all of them are affected by climate change, and
how you decide to deal with climate is how you decide to
deal with all of these other
Adam Curry: issues. 25 Holocaust, John, we have a new
peg on the board. 25 holocausts, that's what it's going to be.
Let's see if this meme gets anything that goes anywhere,
right? She would say, Right. Right. Now let's go to some
serious news because we've obviously been playing a YouTube
clip. This was a CNN clip. Now let's go to NPR. NPR is very
serious. And they always like to bring in people who are know a
lot about climate. They know a lot about science. And in this
case, let's talk about climate. And Well really, the question
is, is climate affecting mental health? You got to listen
closely to this the kicker's at the end. But here is NPR climate
Unknown: change is having a big impact on human health and
mental health specifically, that's the bottom line of a new
report from 27 European Academies of Science. But
exactly how something as big as the climate crisis affects
mental health is a question that Helen berry wrestles with every
day. She's a psychiatric epidemiologist, and a professor
of climate change and Mental Health at the University of
Sydney in Australia. Professor it seems almost intuitive that
climate change could affect our mental health. But is there
actual evidence that that's true?
So the short answer is yes, of course. And the long answer is,
no. It's incredibly difficult to do this kind of work, partly
because climate systems themselves are extremely
complex. And partly because mental health is also extremely
complex and bringing those together makes a very huge and
difficult puzzle, but I think it's really important to apply
some common sense Hear, which is what you implied in your
question. And also to understand how we can go about approaching
this problem so we can eventually get the scientific
answers that we want.
Adam Curry: Won't. Did you just understand what she actually
said there?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, she says that though we got to do
approach this to so we get the answers that we want. Yes,
Adam Curry: she's a scientist.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Well, that's what the client, that's
the whole climate model. The whole climate change argument is
based on these dubious and everybody knows is dubious
computer models, and you keep tweaking them till you get the
answers that you want. It applies as what's so obvious, as
you just said it, I just want to hear it.
Unknown: Yeah. Important to apply some common sense here,
which is what you implied in your question. And also to
understand how we can go about approaching this problem so we
can eventually get the scientific answers that we want.
Adam Curry: Oh, my God, because she first she says, Yeah, of
course. Of course it affects your mental health. Now we got
to back it into something so we can prove it with the answers we
want.
John C. Dvorak: This is the science community, but 2019
Hello, 97% of all comers die. So 97% of everybody in the world is
on board with this.
Adam Curry: It's it's kind of frightening.
John C. Dvorak: Well, Jay Inslee is on board. He's the guy. He's
the single issue Democrat who's not even on my list of the
contenders memo, because he's just a phony. But he's the
governor of Washington State. And his whole thing is one issue
candidate. And his issue is that we're all gonna die tomorrow. If
it's if we don't do something about climate change, and that's
all he cares about period. And now he's irked because the
Democratic National Committee is now going to do a special debate
on climate change. And so they apparently thought this guy's
such a lunatic that they said if you even do a debate on climate
change outside of the DEM NC parameters, you're banned.
Unknown: Washington governor and 20 presidential hopefuls jay
Inslee says the Democratic National Committee is refusing
to schedule a candidate debate on the climate crisis. Inslee
said Thursday, he was told by the DNC that if he participates
in any non DNC affiliated debate on the climate, he would be
disinvited to future debates held by the DNC instantly called
the move a deeply disappointing attempt to blacklist candidates.
He said in a statement, quote, The DNC is silencing the voices
of democratic activists, many of our progressive partner
organizations and nearly half the Democratic presidential
field to want to debate the existential crisis of our time
and slay said,
Adam Curry: Oh, that's interesting. So who is actually
stopping this debate? The DNC, the
John C. Dvorak: DNC, the whoever's running is just forget
that. They have a little committee and they said, No, we
can't do this. We de are orchestrating everything. And
they see this as like a some sort of a side show that's going
to be mocked by the Republicans, and then the independents out
there. And they know what why they can't do it. This guy's too
dumb to see, because he's seriously thinks that this is
the topic of the day
Adam Curry: winning issue. Have you? Have you been following it
was what we had Iowa this weekend, I guess everyone,
because we have we have the first debates the Demick for the
Democratic primary, which is how the Democratic Party will choose
their a candidate to run against presumably, Trump makes sense.
So the debates start end of this month, I think 24th or 27th at
the end of the month now, so people are ramping up getting
ready to wait two days, two days of debates. I guess since the
weekend where everyone was there is some kind of thing in iOS and
democratic who house lock and lock and dingdong that everyone
knows they're free
John C. Dvorak: for the Iowa caucuses. Credit primaries,
which is next year. It's not to go in there just to brown nose
to public
Adam Curry: when when does that actually happened? When When did
the one of the actual primaries take place is that next year is
not even this year? Next year? She's so there's plenty of time
for Stacey Abrams to still get in?
John C. Dvorak: Yes, you have your your prediction? Yeah, good
to go for at least, I'd say a month. And even though there's a
year to go, I don't. That's your prediction, not mine. Well, I
believe that the first debates are important for one other
reason, which is to get this really
Adam Curry: great comedy, it's for comedy is
John C. Dvorak: gonna be some funny stuff, but it's gonna be
kind of stage. It's gonna
Adam Curry: be staid. If that'll be funny for us, and we'd like
that.
John C. Dvorak: It's going to bring out of losers and the
winners is going to make the pitch A little more clear and it
should trigger Hillary jumping in because she's good to see
then well look at these losers that are sucked. They're not
gonna beat Trump I already beat him was that so that put me back
Adam Curry: I can just see Bill sitting at home right now like,
holy crap, man I really miss I'd really dodged the bullet once
again. She she asked her brother who knows what the sympathy vote
is gonna do?
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Adam Curry: what she had to teach. You have no agenda on her
but
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Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs let's go for jobs.
Adam Curry: Today is indeed the ninth of June 2019. Let me bring
up my notes here for a second is I have our birthday list is not
too long. Bobby Carell, or Korea I should say celebrates his
birthday today. Justin besets. His Happy Birthday to his wife
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meetups jingo for the meetups. First, a report from the
Oklahoma City meetup quick note from Derek B. The meetup went
very well small but quality group of folks. We had almost no
lack of conversation for four hours. This is what's great
about these meetups. I
John C. Dvorak: have a report from the Pittsburgh meetup and
Adam Curry: let me finish this Cassidy is going to send the
pictures a donation and a note. It probably won't be for
tomorrow show but I'm leaving the honors to her if she wanted
to do this. She and Zack were also at the Austin meetup. Yes,
I remember. There were five people who emailed us that they
were coming who didn't show but the weather today was just
phenomenal at Griese, no wind. I rode my motorcycle to the
meetup. A lot of people might have opted for other outdoor
activities. And I made the mistake of having on the same
day as sooner con, which is Oklahoma's Comic Con and we lost
at least one person to that. But everybody thanked me profusely
for setting it up. And we're very, very happy to be there. I
think the ones who didn't come really missed out hopefully they
can make it next time. Thanks for making it possible. No,
thank you, Derek and everyone who was there at the Oklahoma
City meetup and it's a great way to get together with people who
you already have a connection with inside jokes and no
triggering it's perfect.
John C. Dvorak: Got a note from the Pittsburgh meetup with some
money Oh, no Patterson Joel Eric sir Ryan with 5510 Chris and Jen
Happy Birthday to someone him
Adam Curry: I think they did a collection at the meetup. Yeah,
John C. Dvorak: it's the first time we've seen that. That's
fantastic. Thank you. So it was a check we've included in there
the I guess there's a birthday card but this note is very nice
to be a little more detailed. So in the future people are going
to send this stuff in below more. Because we could probably
put I guess it would be Chris. onto the list for birthdays but
I don't have any details. I can't do
Adam Curry: it. Okay, so more details when you send in the
reports. Thank you and I will be doing the details the reporting
for the June 12 London meetup that will be on Wednesday Tina
the keeper and I flying in early on Wednesday morning. Six
o'clock we'll have the meetup check out no agenda meetups.com
for the exact location and time six o'clock on the 15th we will
not be there but there's a meetup in Copenhagen July 4
Seattle wash Come to the ninth of July Knoxville, Tennessee
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John C. Dvorak: Well, I think this qualifies as Both scooters
in Nashville.
Unknown: back now with a growing trend of travel and the growing
danger it may bring electric scooters speeding down roads and
sidewalks and at least 11 deaths reported since the beginning of
last year. Tonight the mayor who's had enough and what he's
demanding. Here's ABCs Marcy Gonzalez.
Tonight leaders in yet another American city threatening to ban
electric scooters concerned about the danger to riders and
pedestrians. They're everywhere they block sidewalks. The mayor
of Nashville says there are now 4000 Scooters in his city saying
he wants them off the streets if the seven scooter companies
operating there don't address safety concerns.
I'd love to see them fit into Nashville but the way it is
operating in Nashville right now. We just have too much risk
associated with it.
This video showing the risks riders are taking this man in
Nashville on a scooter with a child on his back. And just last
month a 26 year old man died they're hit by a vehicle while
riding a scooter Brady golf his family starting a petition to
outlaw them. So he quote is the last victim of what they call an
epidemic across the country. The Associated Press reports there
have been at least 11 electric scooter deaths since the
beginning of last year and consumer reports telling 1500
scooter related accidents from just 47 cities since late 2017.
Adam Curry: So where's the good news? Where's the bad news?
John C. Dvorak: That's good news for the public. Good. Some Mayor
actually has a backbone. So it's all scooters now. Now the bad
news is for these stupid scooter companies. It's all built into
one clip.
Adam Curry: I don't know if we did I read that of what we
talked about on the show but one of our producers sent a note in
He was at a conference, I think was the ADEA American Disability
Act type conference with lawyers and they're all going after the
scooter companies for the blind because these things are left on
the sidewalks and that's very difficult for those experiencing
sightlessness trying to say it the right way to navigate around
them yeah good point Yeah. It's especially with the with the
with the bikes. The scooters is one thing but the bikes, the you
walk by eating, they get caught on them, they trip over them,
they fall it's a nightmare. And Austin, I guess we know they
postponed all of the homeless votes for the you know, because
you know, the pan the overturning the panhandling
ordinances. They chickened out on that so they they push that
vote off, which would effectively make it legal to
Panhandle in any manner next to a school a bank a bus stop
anytime a day. But they have allowed these scooters and bikes
to Well, I don't know but the bikes would the scooters to be
on sidewalks to be driven on sidewalks. We have two very
large School for the Deaf in Austin, very famous. Think about
how dangerous that is when you cannot hear anything coming up
behind you. And you can barely hear these things anyway. So I
think we got roads for a reason. Who am I? I have a clip blitz if
you want it. Well let's do it after this. Dogs. Yes, we love
our dogs. I'm going to break the wheel.
Unknown: If you're a fan of Game of Thrones, you're familiar with
the direwolf the popularity of the creature in the fantasy
world creating consequences in the real world
on Jerome Flynn for PETA. You might also know me as Braun from
Game of Thrones, more and more Huskies are being bred and
bought because of their resemblance to direwolves
that search and breeding has also led to a surge in
abandonments.
Adam Curry: Why Husky used a husky mix since I've been coming
in
Unknown: animal shelters in both Monterey and Santa Cruz counties
are reporting a massive increase in the number of Huskies. The
Santa Cruz County Animal Shelter says right now they have six
huskies and that's the most they've ever had. And it's
happening all over the state with very similar stories. Take
Dakota here, for example. She's a year old. People often get
these dogs as puppies because they're so beautiful, but they
don't really understand the maintenance that goes into
taking care of these dogs as they get older. This isn't the
first time we've seen pop culture impact shelters.
Adam Curry: That's who I was when Paris Hilton heads pursue
our 101 Dalmatians came out it seemed like there were a lot of
donations.
Unknown: But now it's happening to huskies and a rise in
surrenders means more youth in his nations.
Adam Curry: And this is very typical of our culture. Yeah,
man. It's such a cool dog. Let's get one and the dog turns out to
be pooping machine. Eaten Yatta house and home. Let's get rid of
this dog. Dogs. But wait, there's more.
Unknown: In Texas, the movies have gone to the dogs
is the world's first ever dog friendly movie theater.
Eric Langford started canines.
Can you believe this
has a unique place for people? And pooches Best Friend Bear is
his partner. Of course,
my heart is overwhelmed with joy because I did this to make me
happy. You're gonna have no dates broke and I was making
other people happy so everybody's loving.
six nights a week for 15 bucks and five for Sparky, you can see
a flick and enjoy a bottomless glass of wine, wine and dogs.
Why bring your dog? Why not? real question. Movies vary from
modern hits to classics, maybe even a dog's journey from time
to time.
He loves just coming here because he gets to play with all
the other dogs to
the candy counters even stocked with doggy treats for dogs. No
one's ever been busted for smooching in the dark but some
nuzzling goes on. For the most part the pups sit, stay and
watch. And here's a doggone good idea local shelters often on
hand with pets for adoption.
Adam Curry: Okay, fine. Do they charge five bucks extra for the
dog? And they don't even do that for kids when you bring kids
into theater which I'm also against babies.
John C. Dvorak: Well, you hate dogs so that makes
Adam Curry: I do not hate dogs. I hate dog owners who treat them
like humans like children like human beings.
John C. Dvorak: Everybody hates that.
Adam Curry: Well that's all that's my whole point. I don't
hate dogs. You've given me this rap, which is unfair. I
John C. Dvorak: know I have I wanna see how nicely now I'm
getting for some reason where it
Adam Curry: it's really, I at one point I said I'm tired of
eating chicken breast. And now somehow in my own house Oh, you
don't like chicken? I don't like chicken.
John C. Dvorak: I can cook some pretty decent chicken dishes.
But I am sick of chicken.
Adam Curry: Well, I got sick. I just I was sick of chicken
chicken breast. Give it is
John C. Dvorak: it's a dumb meat
Adam Curry: it's a dumb meat. Please, please explain how is it
a dumb meat?
John C. Dvorak: Well, for one thing it's made from chickens.
Okay, let me come on. Can we find something better to eat and
the stupid birds?
Adam Curry: Oryx baby dogs? Or maybe just dry some dogs? I
don't know. Is dog meat? Tasty? The Chinese can't be totally
stupid.
John C. Dvorak: Well, the Filipinos mostly dog meat. I
think I've had dog meat. I don't I'm not can't say for sure. But
I believe I have and it's fine. I mean, I think horse meats a
little better.
Adam Curry: I like horse meat. I'm all for the horse meat.
John C. Dvorak: What do you have my horse meat store you haven't
taught my horse meat store?
Adam Curry: You know, I'd love to hear your horsemeat story.
John C. Dvorak: So I missed Slovenia, hanging out with the
publishers, their publishers, the Playboy and all most of the
magazines. They're going to pick up PC Magazine and the Slovenian
version and there I got a great tour of the country. And did
there's something I've noticed, in fact, Eric de Shil went to
Finland and he I said when when you're filling, get some of this
reindeer meat. It's absolutely fantastic diesels never saw any.
And I realized that many European countries that eat kind
of offbeat stuff. They never admit it. And they won't let you
see what reindeer or die like you know, you can go to you can
go to Scandinavian countries or Nordic countries and you find
that you'll see your Granger meet all over themselves, but
these guys will never take your places serves it.
Adam Curry: I thought the one time I went to Finland, sir Luke
took me to a restaurant when we had reindeer meat. In fact, they
brought out the picture of the damn beast before they killed
him and his name and everything. So do you think oh dynamite
John C. Dvorak: is dynamite? Ah, it was very bloody meat but as
die some
Adam Curry: of the most beautiful meat I've ever tasted
though. It was yeah, it was good. I liked it a lot.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's very good. And it goes cool it
curiously, I was up at some restaurant way north and Finland
and this woman is French woman who started a reindeer steaks.
She had a huge collection of Behringer Private Reserve
Cabernet, which he insisted that we have with the reindeer. And
that match was unbelievable. So anyway, so so. So I'm in
Slovenia, and these guys reticent Lee say Do you ever eat
horse meat? That's it? Yeah, I've had a horse meat tacos. And
to one of their fantastic I like horse
Adam Curry: meat. Was that at the donkey show?
John C. Dvorak: No, I never went to the donkey show. And so it
was called the Blue something for you to name movement, the
name of the place. It may have been just a myth. Anyway, so
like so this all well, there's a restaurant here that specializes
in it bed. So we don't really eat much just beer, you know,
they're gone. They're downplaying it. But if I want to
go and have some horse meat just to see what it was like because
they'd be good. They did relent, and go. So we go to this place.
And they order this den, advise me to order this sirloin steak
course, which I never had just a big horse steak. The thing is
the size of the plate. The worst part was this particular cut was
dense. Oh, it had kind of a dense quality light. It was
tasty. Yeah. But it had a dense liver light quality. And so I'm
trying to plow through this thing with these guys who never
eat horse meat. And so I'm trying to get through this steak
and I'm getting about a third of the way through and I'm stuffed,
I can't take it. I look around these three guys, three of them.
They plowed through this giant steak like there's no tomorrow
and say to me, are you going to eat that? And they glom it so
they love the horsemeat in Slovenia. No matter what they
tell you. Anyway, do you have a clip blitz of seven clips all
under 30 seconds,
Unknown: rule 33.
John C. Dvorak: Democrat weirdness regarding taxes the
Unknown: democratic Chair of the House Ways and Means Committee
is coming under fire from his own party after he told
Bloomberg News he has no plans to use recently. past New York
state law to acquire President Trump's tax records. Congress
member Richard Neal says he's worried the request would quote
bolster Trump administration arguments that Congress is on a
political fishing expedition 3333 Clip blitz complex
John C. Dvorak: tax returns to
Unknown: Treasury Secretary Stephen Minuchin has defied
congressional requests to turn over Trump's tax records and
Trump remains the only precedent or major presidential candidate
in modern US history to refuse to make his tax returns public.
John C. Dvorak: Nadler his plan plus weird Pelosi quote
Unknown: Democratic House Judiciary chair Jerrold Nadler
is preparing to subpoena Special Counsel Robert Muller within the
next two weeks. That's according to Politico, which also reports
Nadler is privately pushing Democratic leaders to open a
formal impeachment inquiry against the president. During a
closed door meeting Tuesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
reportedly pushed back saying Trump should be quote in prison
but not impeached.
John C. Dvorak: Weird, Sudan news important
Unknown: the African Union has suspended Sudan's membership
after soldiers with the ruling transitional Military Council
open fire and sit in protesters Monday, killing at least 108 of
them and wounding more than 500 others. In a statement the AU
said Sudan would remain suspended until a civilian led
transitional authority is established. Sudan's military
took power in April after a month long popular uprising that
led to the overthrow of the longtime authoritarian President
Omar Al Bashir.
John C. Dvorak: You term YouTube YouTube current bands
Unknown: YouTube announced today that it will remove 1000s of
videos and channels with white supremacist and neo Nazi content
from its site. The video streaming company will also bar
any videos denying well documented events like the
Holocaust ever happened. The move comes amid growing
criticism that online services allow and sometimes fuel hate
speech.
Adam Curry: Thank you so you turn 30.
John C. Dvorak: Ships banned
it's about to get more difficult to travel to Cuba. Today the
Trump administration banned cruise ships departing the US
from stopping there in order to punish Cuba for supporting the
Venezuelan Government. commercial airline flights are
not yet affected.
last clip home food delivery twist.
So the online delivery wars have a new battlefield you might say
your refrigerator. Walmart said today it's testing a new service
delivery workers will actually put groceries in your
refrigerator when you're not home. They'll wear a camera so
you can keep an eye on them. Apparently it uses smart
technology to let you in.
Adam Curry: That's a good Blitz. John, we haven't done one like
that in the wild is good. I like that. Outstanding.
John C. Dvorak: So they're gonna let you cool what it is going to
have home food delivery, where the guy who plows into your
house, although if you think about it in old movies, you see
that it used to be common back in the 20s and 30s. I guess
you're there was
Adam Curry: Trust. Trust there was trust there was trust? Well,
there's a couple things we we haven't discussed that I do have
a clip for. Number one would be the tariffs do not go into
effect for Mexico on Monday, apparently we have a deal. Here
is the Spanish interpretation of the key point as done by the the
Spanish official who did the announcement in English.
Unknown: And the key findings of the Mueller report Ukrainian
visits
Adam Curry: fail. Of course, that's not the one I meant. That
would be this one, the United
Unknown: States will immediately expand the implementation of the
existing migrant protection protocols across its entire
southern border. This means that the those crossing the US
southern border to seek asylum will be rapidly returned to
Mexico where they may await the adjudication of their asylum
claims. In response, Mexico will authorize the entrance of all of
those individuals for humanitarian reasons in
compliance with its international obligations, while
they await the adjudication of their asylum claims. Mexico will
also offer jobs, health care and education according to its
principles. The United States commit to work to accelerate the
adjudication of asylum claims and to conclude removal
proceedings as expeditiously as possible. Further actions. Both
parties also agree that in the event the measures adopted do
not have the expected results. They will take further actions.
Therefore, the United States and Mexico will continue their
discussions on the terms of additional understandings to
address irregular migrant flows and asylum issues to be
completed and announced within 90 days, if necessary,
Adam Curry: so that straight from the horse's mouth so to
speak, so it sounds pretty much like, like what was announced,
except for this. This, this tweet from the President saying
that Mexico is now going to buy more of our farm goods or
something.
John C. Dvorak: I don't know what he's talking about. Maybe I
align those two things. I know one, I do have a clip on asylum
rule changes. But But before that, the New York Times the
code of course throws a wet blanket on this after the fact
saying, Ah, this was done deal last year. This is nothing new.
Which doesn't make sense. It's just like the New York Times is
ruining their reputation by you know, just throwing a wet
blanket on everything that just got got the T word associated
with it. But, but this is kind of an interesting clip this new
asylum rules which has gotten some people upset
Unknown: the agreement require asylum seekers to seek refuge in
the countries they first crossed into. Under the plan, Guatemalan
migrants could only apply for asylum in Mexico Hondurans and
Salvadorans would be forced to apply as refugees in Guatemala.
The emerging plan drew fire from civil liberties groups,
including the ACLU, which said such a change to the asylum
system violates both US and international laws and is
unlikely to survive a legal challenge. Really? Yeah.
Adam Curry: Why Why would it be unlikely to survive a legal
challenge? I don't understand what is
John C. Dvorak: either all those ACLU says so and of course
they're always right. And his I guess there's some rule where if
you're like, if you're an asylum seeker, you don't have to go to
the first shithole countries next.
Adam Curry: Yes, you do. So I mean, you know, this tariffs,
what it's all
John C. Dvorak: about. I mean, that's what they're saying. You
know, they condemned Trump for saying shithole country. Yeah.
But in fact, what they're direct, they're showing us this
shithole countries, they think the same way. Yeah.
Adam Curry: For sure, it is my impression that the liberal
world order the New World Order the liberal banking elites, the
globalists, they do not like anyone messing with tariffs.
That was that it seemed like people got a big knot in their
panties, or their panties in a bunch over this. Yeah, the world
trade organizations all pissed off. Everyone's like, this is
crazy Republicans, then no one likes this. But it seems it
appears to be effective. Now. I'm not sure that it is. We'll
see. But they don't like that this and I guess that's the same
with Brexit. You know, it's about you know, the it's
ultimately it's about the deals it's about the trade between the
countries.
John C. Dvorak: Yes, something we need to pay more attention to
insofar as a reaction to it.
Adam Curry: Yeah, cuz they really, really don't like it.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, they don't. You're right.
Adam Curry: Then my final clip for today's deconstruction ad
just so we can get ready because we do have elections coming up
in Canada Navia. what elections are these now? Is this a bigger
lecture? Is this a big a big election for them?
John C. Dvorak: The Parliament election for members of
parliament,
Adam Curry: parliamentary Hello, Candice Avians. In the troll
room, let me know what's going on. What's what's going on? We'd
like to know what's what's happening. So we've heard from
this young woman before her name is Karina Gould. She is the
Minister of democratic institutions. Then she has some
very troubling news, not just here in United States get
donation happens up there as well.
Unknown: I just wanted to give a quick update on the Declaration
on online electoral integrity from two weeks ago. I wanted to
raise the issue that you know, when we announced it on Monday,
May 27, Google, Facebook and Microsoft were very quick to
join. They've in fact demonstrated a number of actions
in the interim. However, we still haven't heard from
Twitter. We haven't heard from Twitter on the declaration. We
haven't heard from Twitter in terms of what they're planning
on doing for the upcoming election. We haven't heard from
Twitter with regards to whether they will have the online ad
registry. And I think it's important for Canadians to be
aware that Twitter has essentially decided not to take
responsibility for these activities that Twitter is not
committing to what they will do here in Canada and quite
frankly, that you know, we're facing a time crunch. I mean,
the pre rip here Your ad is going to be coming very shortly.
The elected election is coming shortly. And we have yet to hear
from Twitter. We've heard from Facebook, we've heard from
Google. But Twitter remains mum. And I think this is something
that Canadians should be aware of. And we hope that Twitter
will start to take some responsibility for the content
on their platform. We know that they have that their platform
has been used and manipulated by foreign malicious actors. And
we're still waiting to hear what their plans are here in Canada.
Adam Curry: Block them block them from the whole country. You
can't take that risk Canada right. Yeah. Yeah. sleaze this
is this is the playbook. So you can always go back all elections
are going to suck from now on. Because all we well, clearly we
know what the Russians did.
John C. Dvorak: Clearly those Russians, it's all that s.
Adam Curry: So I'm so sad. So annoying. Think this is the big
election. This is the one where they can get rid of get rid of
Trudeau might not be a crazy idea.
John C. Dvorak: That would be my hope.
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Unknown: donate to and no agenda they give us as we kept her we
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science is turning into a clique
Adam Curry: I mean a in a an old an Airbnb actually is not an
Airbnb to Airbnb, proper bed and breakfast with a really
beautiful breakfast done by the owner. And so it's an old it's
an old house and it has one of those old Dutch toilets that I
think I've mentioned it before on the show that has a ship
thing way up in the air where it has the the the reservoir way up
in the air so uses real gravity big ass gravity. But it needs
that because it's one of those typical opendata toilets that
has the shelf and for people don't know if the main Dutch
toilet maker back in the days started making the mainly for
hospitals. And there's a shelf so when you poop then your poop
stays on the shelf so it can be examined. And no one ever
thought that's kind of disgusting for the home. And
they just just use the hospital toilets and so it's kind of
weird when you sit on the shelf and that's why he the extra
gravity is on the shelf. In some places it hits the fan in the
Netherlands it's on the shelf
John C. Dvorak: there's a poop upon the shell there's a poop
upon the shell we keep it by oh hell. For the Queen and carbon
well. The Dutch are written no rush to see that groupie flush.
Poop is on the shell
Adam Curry: No, that's okay if you're you're homeless. Why do
you say Adam I see you.
John C. Dvorak: You're talking about yourself.
Adam Curry: You come home. Your wife is on vacation or our
business trip and you come home with a homeless skirt. Walking
down the street homeless. God I like to meet homeless hooker you
know? You go You're not coming home with a hooker with these
cameras in place. Exactly. Homeless Mofo
Unknown: vorak.org/n A