Adam Curry: occurring for August 30 2023, episode number 93.
Well, what did you not expect us to? Oh yeah, experienced the
unexpected here. I'm Adam curry coming to you from the heart of
the Texas Hill Country. Time once again to spin the Wheel of
topic from here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my
friend on the other end Mr. Mo facts I don't have them. Mo. I'm
doing about yourself.
Moe Factz: I'm doing great. You got the tag line down the
unexpected experience?
Adam Curry: Yes. We didn't even discuss that beforehand. But it
always is kind of something. I was just talking to Tina, before
I walk in the studio says oh, what are you guys talking about?
I don't know. To what? You got his clips. Don't use it. Yeah,
get the clips. Whoa, don't you look at our that just numbers
and know their titles? Don't you look at him? No, no, where's the
fun in that?
Moe Factz: You get them like maybe what like 10 minutes
before the show. You don't have a lot of time to do a lot of
examining
Adam Curry: No, I do zero examining. That's the whole
point is what is this? By the way? What does this track that
we're listening to this opening track?
Moe Factz: This is souls of Mr. 93 to infinity or probally? So
Adam Curry: I've never heard this never heard. Yes. I love
the show. 93 connection, but I've never heard this before. I
like it.
Moe Factz: Oh, this is hip hop. Classic. Classic of classic. Oh,
man. This is when the sound started to change. But I guess
would be a great time to go and spin the wheel.
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on a second. Let's do that. That's
right. There it is. And we'll have topics round around. It
goes no one knows where it stopped. Well, of course Moe
knows where we're going because he has selected the following
topic for us for episode number 93.
Unknown: This is a journey into sound.
Adam Curry: I know this I know this. I know this particular
clip. I know this clip it's from this is a journey into sound. Is
it the stereo test? Album?
Moe Factz: Yes. And then also from raw Eric being Rakim fame.
Adam Curry: So okay, that's right. I forgot about that.
Because I don't I don't play my Eric being Rakim records that
often anymore.
Moe Factz: So you probably wonder what this all means. What
this means is this is the long awaited quote unquote Hip Hop
episode episodes. Right? I told you I had a large bucket list of
shows I wanted to get to hold on
Adam Curry: a second. Let me Is this the one? Is this the
episode where we find out how an evil small group of men have
completely controlled hip hop to control the inner cities and
thus America
Moe Factz: eventually, but what we have to what we have to do
first is understand what it is they are controlling. I don't
know if you know or know this or not. It's been in the news the
50th anniversary of hip hop.
Adam Curry: Yes, as celebrated by a Jay Z tribute to himself.
Moe Factz: And we have them all over the place. Everybody's
taking their part and their song claimed who owns hip hop? Is it
a DA slash FBA is a worldly, who all was involved. What I hope to
do is lay out the case of what is once I'll say it again, what
is actually being discussed what is being controlled, and you
have to lay out lay a strong foundation. This may assure
there's going to be a multiple episode. Venture. Okay? I'm sure
two maybe three because it's just that dense. But let's go
ahead and get into where it all began and slave songbook.
Unknown: No
1860 There are roughly 4 million enslaved Africans in the United
States forcibly transplanted to a new land. They've brought with
them a rich African heritage, including songs against adapted
to reflect the experiences of life of hard labor on
plantations. These slave work songs, laments and shouts of
protest, evolve into a new musical form, the spiritual, the
spiritual and turn become the wellspring for generations of
musicians who will create the blues, gospel, jazz, and the
protest songs of the 1960s.
Adam Curry: Now if I'm listening to the day Ah, here, it seems
like hip hop is a little older than 50 years Mo
Moe Factz: is very much. Well, hip hop is the latest iteration
of the Negro spiritual. It started there. And as he listed
out with the gospel blues, jazz, rock and roll on to a rhythm and
blues, and then hip hop. And that's where we're at with it
right now. And this is it's the power that's being controlled is
trying to be harnessed and control is the same power.
Adam Curry: How was the power? Back in those days? I mean, was
it? Was it power? Was it? Is it comparable to power? Back in the
days of the of the slaves?
Moe Factz: I hope to answer that question as we lay out the show,
but I have to this is just the origin, that there was no
instrument at the time that we were the instruments. And I
think I would say a hip hop is American, quote, unquote, a das
invention, because I believe it's the merging of the English
language, the power that's in it, and itself, we know, this is
a magical spell casting language. And then the rhythm
that powered, you know, quote, unquote, paid off people. All
right. So let's go ahead and get into the second is just to let
people know, this is a PBS documentary History Detectives.
Let's go and get into the second part,
Unknown: slave songs of the United States. Wow. Published in
1867, you know,
two years after the end of the Civil War? What do you know
about the book? Well, very little, you know, there is
something that caught my attention. And it's in the first
paragraph, if you don't mind, I'd like to read it to you.
Okay. The musical capacity of the Negro race has been
recognized for so many years that it is hard to explain why
no systematic effort has hitherto been made to collect
and preserve their melodies. And it got me to thinking could this
be the first book of Negro spirituals published in the
United States?
And that would be a really interesting thing sounds like
that. That's your question. In fact, well, that's
one of my questions. And then I also want to know, you know, who
were the people who collected this music, you know, what was
their motivation? This is
a really fascinating story, and I'm ready to get going. Okay,
fantastic.
Adam Curry: I love their script. While this is a great story,
okay, let's
Unknown: go, Oh,
Adam Curry: we're doing some more casual here.
Moe Factz: As they alluded to, it's the power that's behind it.
And I don't know if you notice, in our very many people know
this. Hip hop is an acronym for higher infinite powers, helping
our people.
Adam Curry: Okay, no, I didn't know that. And I'm surprised
actually, I never knew it was an acronym.
Moe Factz: Yes. Or, I don't know if that's the genesis. The
Genesis is a hip hop. It comes from hip which hip means cool,
which goes back, we got to look at the hippies plan to that, you
know, we're cutting the beat mix. And this is episode was
impossible. Because there were so many rabbit. There was so
many rabbit holes that you can go down where these terminology
came from. But it was later to be understood. That's what it
stood for. And that's what I hope to lay out and needs. At
least two episodes, this is the higher infinite power part. What
is that power? And you have to ask yourself is well, what makes
quote unquote, black people so influential throughout the
world, is that power?
Adam Curry: Well, this is this is the right question. I don't
know the answer.
Moe Factz: So that's what we had to get into the Grand move along
into Part Three
Unknown: to the enslaved African. What did the songs
mean?
The songs were everything he had to sing about his condition.
being sold his family being separated, he had to sing to
keep his plain metal bearing.
He tells me that plantation owners often forced enslaved
Africans to attend church to hear the message of
Christianity, a message that missionaries carefully tailored
to justify slavery. But the enslaved men and women took this
new language and created their own spirituals songs that often
contain coded meanings, bringing messages of hope, and sometimes
visions of escape
Adam Curry: Alright, just just because I like doing show notes,
and I went and looked up in the in a dictionary hip hop. Already
these acronyms have been captured. Listen to this
homeless and indigenous population health outreach
project, and healthy individual people helping other people. Oh,
there you go. Don't forget your higher power is for homeless.
Moe Factz: Well, that that is a microcosm of what I'm talking
about the harnessing
Adam Curry: that power Yeah, I got you.
Moe Factz: And we're gonna just to do a little foreshadowing the
call and response, the chance at these units you've documented
over the years. That is part of
Adam Curry: and I love that eventually we're gonna get into
a part where I was actually a part of it of of the
mainstreaming of hip hop,
Moe Factz: right? Oh yes. But that's why I could have started
it there. But oh no, no
Unknown: no no no no I
Moe Factz: always when you lay the bed raw, you know the
foundation and and make a lot more sense. And speaking of
laying the foundation and bedrock, we have to go back to
Episode 22 dream machine. And this is the spirituals being no
no, before I'm jumping a little ahead. No, you know what, let's
do that. Let's do that. And then we'll go back to number five.
Adam Curry: Okay, here we go. This is the Highlander school
song.
Unknown: It was in the civil rights struggle that Highlander
became most famous and famous for a song. How that happened is
a textbook example of Highlander working exactly the way it was
designed. From the start, the Civil Rights Movement had songs,
lots of songs, but it didn't have a song, one unifying and
irresistible anthem that not only said who they were, but
that musically expressed all their hope, determination and
spirit Septima Clark, Pete Seeger and a new young staffer
named Guy Carol and began adapting and old him turned
labor song that Sylvia love to sing, the word will was changed
to shall some verses were fitted to the new movements, goals, and
the tempo was changed so people could march to it better. It
became, we shall overcome. We
shall overcome. Deep in my heart, I do believe we shall
overcome.
Adam Curry: Now you rang your bell?
Moe Factz: Yeah, that I will just explain that we have many
songs. But as you just laid out with the hijack in the
afternoons, they picked this one song, remixed it. So it's
easier, easier to march to evey activation in itself. I mean,
what is it? And I would like to bring up one example, in modern
life in recent hit. Well, in current events, this North
Richmond song, yeah, yeah, you see how a single song can
inspire people, or ignite something within people. Now, I
gotta be honest, the sound didn't resonate with me. And
that it is what it is. But I can understand how music can
resonate to certain people based on their frequency. And I think
they have a lot to do with this power things. Well, based on a
frequency thing,
Adam Curry: and let me just hone in on that right down to the
instrument used. It's a frequency that resonates with a
certain certain population of people. Just like, you know, the
808 may, it may resonate differently with different
people. So you're absolutely and also this was a, this was a
visual hit.
Moe Factz: Yes, you know,
Adam Curry: that's, that's there's an important difference
there. And it's amazing, it actually reminds me of early or
for me, early hip hop in the late 80s, when hip hop was seen,
as you know, the hood CNN. And this is kind of like rural
America, CNN is like, hello, look at me, let me tell you
what's going on out here.
Moe Factz: And this may be the motive for why they're trying to
hijack these movements because your your quote, unquote, their
cultural revolutionaries are not going to come from upper middle
class or rich. They're going to come from where you get an
understanding, and then you can voice it in a certain way. So
people
Adam Curry: were talking about this guy like he was Bob Dylan
in the 60s, you know that and I think to a degree, it's now
short, we have a much shorter attention span. But at home it
really it was so good. That right away, it's like, we have
to serve as videos. This guy's a shill. He's no good. He's
controlled opposition. A lot of stuff went in there all of a
sudden,
Moe Factz: that's the hip hop keeping it real easy, real easy,
really real. Are you industry plant. All of this when the term
keeping it real? That's what it meant. Is it did it come from,
you know, the authentic place they're speaking about or is it
industry is it corporate? Right? And we're, as we get down the
show, it will make it will be crystallized. Hopefully But now
let's go back. And I was I was speaking about the dual nature
of the English language and how big thing hip hop is the double
entendre or the or the mythical, triple entendre, which very few
people can pull off, but it's been done. But number five will
speak more. The double meaning and the negro spiritual.
Unknown: The words we're saying, have have a double meaning. So
anytime you hear anything about traveling shoes, or chariots a
wheels, somebody's getting ready to run. And so you take a negro
spiritual
Swing low, sweet cherry. Common for to carry me sweet. Oh,
sweetie che very
common for to carry me home. That chair it is movement, that
chair to swing and low picking you up, putting you on that
Underground Railroad, taking you somewhere to freedom. So when we
sing those songs, it's like, something's getting ready to
happen. So I looked over Jordan, and what did I see Jordan? That
was metaphor for the Ohio River. A band of angels coming after
me. Those common those those conductors coming to help you
common for us to carry me home. So they had all kinds of little
messages. And the slave master would hear a singing a song that
don't they sound pretty happy tonight. Next day, two or three
people go, because we put that message out.
Adam Curry: Oh my god, this is great. This is a masterclass you
picking all the all the bells, this is fantastic. Of course,
everyone knows everyone in America knows this song, I would
hope. And you can kind of think about it. But man, she just put
it in like 60 seconds, she put it all together there for us. I
love that.
Moe Factz: And then we're transferring information,
meaningful information back and forth. You know, to people I was
about to head north. You know, and you knew what that meant,
and you'll be gone. And as I was doing my research, the racism,
creativity you put into racism just amazes me sometimes.
Because I felt this racial slur called the moon cricket, the
moon cricket. Yes, this is a racial slur for black people.
And I'm going to show you how we put so much energy in doing the
wrong thing. That it's funny, but it's not funny at the same
time, because what it meant was is the basis of this very act of
singing at night. They will hear slaves saying it at night. And
that's what they call Moon Creek, us be known to the slave
master that your property is about to head up out of here.
But it's just amazing that the US putting our energy into the
wrong thing that he is I had to share it because he's gave me a
shot of light. But it's almost astonishing
Adam Curry: level of racism, which is basically the N word.
Moe Factz: Well, what I was saying is, you have the option,
but they have to get more creative with it. It just
baffles me I just I thought I'll share that. But, um, so this is
Reverend Velma Thomas. And you can hear, as they say, in the
church, and we're gonna go to church here for a little bit in
a minute. The anointing on her voice you can hear in her voice
is that certain thing that resonates? I don't know if it
resonates with you or not? Because like I say, Well, I
think we're all tuned to different frequencies
Adam Curry: when she's saying when she's singing, right? Oh,
well, it resonates in me as a human being.
Moe Factz: Of course, but I'm saying like the same way that
North Irishmen didn't resonate with me. I was like cool song
but it isn't the frequency. I'm not saying the message or
whatever. It's their frequency that does didn't register with
me to my ears the way their tone, right like, what were her
is the certain tenor and her voice. That is in the church
they call it Nora in in modern day they call it drip. Is that
thing that makes you go from kin sang to consign insane
Adam Curry: I got you I got you of course. Oh,
Moe Factz: just Okay, so number six.
Unknown: We talked about waiting no water. wait and wait, Wade,
Wade Wade wade in the water, because God's gonna trouble the
Whoa Oops, we
stepped in that water because the dogs can't pick up your sin.
We had all these songs that said it's time to move, it's time to
go by the waterways time to follow the Northstar. It's time
to start looking, it's time to start traveling. It's time to
start getting ready to cross over that Jordan into freedom.
Steal away to Jesus all gone to heaven. No.
Still away home. I ain't God alone to stay here. So
we still the way to Jesus, we still the way to freedom. But it
sounds like we're just talking about a life in the hereafter.
But we're talking about a life in the here and now.
Adam Curry: You know, I realized that in all the racism that's
discussed in, in the in our country in the United States on
it seems like a daily basis. This part of slavery is really
not discussed much at all. It's always about the bad master and
how horrible it was and, and Building America on the back of
the slaves. But this does not just It does to me, at least if
thinking over the past 510 years, there's not been a lot of
talk about the Underground Railroad and, and the escape and
what that was like and how beautiful it really was.
Moe Factz: And mess. In my opinion, that's purposely done.
Because you don't want to have people be inspired. This like
this is the whole reason for the hijacking of the music and
culture. Because I'll have to do this. But J Edgar Hoover is
known for saying first of all, yes, I'm gonna show hiding
black.
Adam Curry: I was gonna say we all know he's black. We all know
he's a brother.
Moe Factz: The self hating black man, J Edgar Hoover allegedly,
um, was known as being very cautious and conscious of this
black Messiah figure that was going to raise up have the ear
of the people Obama tapped in this a little bit. And spider.
So they constantly and when I say they capital, they are
constantly manipulating controlling inspecting to assure
is two pathways. Either you do academics, if you show yourself
to be highly intelligent, we'll capture you make you one that
talented 10th send you off to Iowa, the school and now you're
not a threat as discussed the trick baby. Right? Yeah. But for
those that stay in poverty in that area, there's two other
paths is sports, you know, you're physically gifted. And
now it'll be a railroad to D one school and we'll isolate you.
And now there's one more piece of the pie left. That's the one
that that can see on their way out. They have the talent, the
charisma, they have the ear, the people. They said we can't let
we got to control that. Because as you you've seen the guy with
his guitar, and a camera and a microphone inspire people to
feel something now we live in a short time window where stuff
goes viral didn't falls out it to the wayside. Have
Adam Curry: you seen any of the remixes of that song have
because that that's what I thought was hip hop esque. It's
like hold on a second. Now we got guys, we got we got white
guys in in the farmlands rapping over over this song. And that to
me was what was really exciting about it. I
Moe Factz: wish they had to do that because they had to
resonate with a certain demographic. Yeah. And you saw
this even in hip hop's southern hip hop was totally different
frequency than northern hip hop and West Coast hip hop. So I
mean, it's either an intra group, as I like to say, if you
have any different frequencies that it just doesn't register,
but fast forwarding to this control mechanism. It goes all
the way back to slavery, per Judge Joe Brown, and he was
speaking on this phenomenon
Unknown: within an inch. Not so much because it was very early,
but later on, the slave masters were instructed to go in with
their fellow slave owners and buy a steroid. There was a
peculiar attribute they wanted this to happen. They also wanted
him to make a good preacher. So make the stood preacher and
allow slave marriage. So the slave male would find out that
when his female wife, well, his wife was believed to be in heat.
Does slave masters would bring over the stud preacher to sleep
with his wife often on his palette in his home. Wow, that
would do what now would be called demoralizing him.
Adam Curry: I love the little comment today. Ah, wow. Yeah.
Moe Factz: This is how the plant type this was plantation
policies. Go ahead. No,
Adam Curry: that's exactly right. It's like this is the
real if you really want to understand what's going on, this
is the stuff that's going on. We all know about the clippings and
the koonta Kente and the beatings and all this but I love
this because now you're getting into the into what it was really
like in fact, you are tuning my frequency Hermo I like it.
Moe Factz: And it's still like because the same way to enhance
Thurs back then they have athletes and celebrities now
you're LL Cool J's of the world. And what I mean by the quote
unquote, sports world,
Adam Curry: oh, man, you're gonna pick on him.
Moe Factz: Know what I'm saying is the fact that he was able to
start in the early 80s and maintain this lane of being the
Fit hip guy, you know, do capable i Well, I mean, one of
the top rappers there is
Adam Curry: he worked I think we've talked about him before
that he would be up at 1775 Broadway in my MTV days and we
walk in and then we had a it was for executives, you know, the
whatever the 15th floor, and there's a you know, like an
executive kind of waiting room where you'd wait until you were
called LL Cool. J would be up there all the time. Of all he
would always have meetings with the executives, he worked it and
so I gotta put props on his name for that he really worked it.
Moe Factz: No, no, what I'm saying is no, he's one of the
best and you you can make an argument for him being the
actual goal of rapping for longevity not in my book, but
it's a case to be made. My issue is that he was sold as the buff
rapper you know 50 cent the same way yeah, this this is a just a
reiteration of this quote unquote stood that you know,
this physical behemoth and this at the same time was had a set
skill of mastering words. Yeah. Yeah, so and is known. You see
even in churches all in our religious groups all around the
world that God has the people ear has an inroad to women
looking to preachers and how they always fall to some kind of
sexual
Adam Curry: How does Reverend I'll do it though I'm I'm
surprised Oh, well.
Moe Factz: Oh, move past though. Maybe we will get back to the
river owl at a later date because he does plan to this as
well. But these words this mastering of words, some a lot
of people, black preachers in the world what have we got from
negro spirituals to preachers? preachers are their original
AMSI I mean, literally, you know, saying that's master the
ceremony? Yeah. Um, so you wonder to most people, it sounds
like a bunch of hollerin and whatever else No, there's a
sweet science to actually what they call hoping and this is
Reverend Jasper Williams, and he gonna break down the science to
you in three parts. This is the first part
Unknown: and the law says Sol sol, sol sol, sol sol, sol, sol,
sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol.
Sol,
and you're ready to move now. But you've been going up until
the time you ain't got nowhere else to go. So you start strain
All right now no reflection that Evie is a master at his own art
in his own way. But you notice Evie, Evie? Hallelujah
EV can go up No. All right, because he's not a naturally
gifted reacher. What I detected about myself was
when I go
what I had to do was talk my way back.
Adam Curry: This is this is very interesting. This is anyone
who's been on stage with a microphone knows that when you
have a group of people and you're able to capture their
attention, you can you can vary just with words and just with
your your rhythm and the tone. You can you can manipulate,
manipulate, you can, you can move the people, like the
simplest one is everybody happy. I said is everybody, any on
today's DJs, you get a TFS, Delta drop. It's all the same
thing, people that resonate with that. But this, of course, is a
very specific skill.
Moe Factz: And it's capturing I think the word best fits as your
capture the audience, they're locked in with you. They're,
they're on the same beat as you because you got to have a beat
to hell call and response. And you hear the whole time as he's
doing. And he's just doing so and so SO and SO SO and SO. But
the feeling and him running up that scales, it takes the people
up emotionally. And this is that frequency I'm talking about
because some people might not feel it. But their voices are
tuned to a certain frequency and a certain rhythm that inspires
that color response. And in wanting to make people
understand that this is not, oh, just get up, start yelling,
whatever. No, this is years and years and years of practice. The
reason why I know is I mean, I grew up with going to a Baptist
church, that the Reverend was a very, I was the, I think the
dean of seminary at Duke University. You see, I'm saying
like this man at my table. Yeah. So I have my family.
Adam Curry: I have a little bit of exposure to it as a new
Christian art. Our church is a Bible Church, but it is inspired
on Baptist churches. And from time to time we'll have a
visiting pastor, there's a das Pastor, I forget where he comes
from. And Matt, he grabs people, and everyone's always happy when
he shows up like, oh, okay, this is gonna be exciting. It's gonna
be something new. And he has that rhythm. And he's able to,
he's able to do it with white people, too. Yeah,
Unknown: it's one time. And so the last song, so songs Oh, and
he went on and you see, and he came on down, the Lord said, and
I will go on down my brother and my sister. And so and so song.
So I'm where I want to be see, because I've found my key. All
right now. Now, what does this mean? Since I've found where my
tune is most comfortable that it means simply this, that if I met
the key white one, and I'm tuning good, because I'm relaxed
down here, it means that if I can go nowhere else, I can at
least go back to where I was. Because I was in any way you
want. You can go back to it.
Moe Factz: Cool. Two points I want to make I left the room for
you to make it just in case you caught. Do you know where? Where
you've heard this before? This is Hillary Clinton.
Adam Curry: Oh, it's funny, has
Moe Factz: no ways tie it. That's what she was trying to
do.
Adam Curry: No more. Yeah. Right. Which we call it what
code switching? Right? But
Moe Factz: this is the science that she was trying to tap into.
And Obama slightly does it. You know, he does it just enough to
tune you know, he's what they call a tuner. He's not a Hooper.
And it's different category that we're going here because this is
the different flows this in hip hop.
Adam Curry: Ah, actually, while I was listening to that, you
know what sprung to mind. Of course, Hillary makes sense.
When Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall in their movies, they do
they do they do a take off of a preacher.
Moe Factz: Yeah, though. I'm coming to America. Yes. Yeah.
That's a pageant at the beauty. I was like, it was like a beauty
pageant. A fundraiser. Yeah. And just another recent phenomenon.
Remember the kid in Tennessee with the big afro. And he gave
that code sweet speak. They got everybody all round up. It was a
black kid. Oh,
Adam Curry: yeah. When he was in, in the state senate. Yes.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. All of a sudden, this is this.
Right. Right. Right.
Moe Factz: So it's a it's a very powerful science. And I just
want I'm what I'm trying to do is I'm trivialize it, and if
people understand the power of spoken word, then they will
understand using this manner, they will understand what is the
power of hip hop and why it has to be correct. Okay. All right.
This is the final part three.
Unknown: So since I'm down here now, the law says Han Solo songs
Oh songs back to where it was and 9.9 tenths of the time
because I went down and got to tune
Adam Curry: James Brown James Brown right there jailed waiting
for Sol
Unknown: Sol. So in essence what I'm telling you is this when you
go up to the bottom of your assignment if you have found
person that can shift and not naturally gifted and maybe some
of us who are gifted in may have the gift to even be most of what
you do is go up to that point all the loud and hard and drive
all you want. But when time to tune, talk your way back down to
where you comfortable level off and when time to holla you can
you can you know you go with ease, go back to where you were.
And because you will last more than likely you can't hide. And
Adam Curry: what was the context of this moment? Because I love
Oh, I love this what was it from
Moe Factz: this was a seminary seminary seminar. Those are
other preachers in the room. Okay, that he was instructing
you know, all school because he got like the white folding pad.
It was in the marker showing you how to go on the scale it but
this is what rap keeps saying about how the drill at home.
When you hear these people rapping in the bars coming out
of their mouth. It's registering with the same magnitude got it
different in different manner, but same magnitude.
Adam Curry: How do you think that that is? Because it's
cultural? Or is it truly embedded in the human the
resonance to these frequencies?
Moe Factz: I think we're all on different timings. Because when
you go around the world, Chinese music moves on a different time
signature. Yeah.
Adam Curry: No, I remember being in Thailand. I was in a state of
doing a documentary and at a hill tribe up near the Burmese
border. And it's basically all only the women the men are all
zonked out in the opium den. And at night, they you know, they
say, oh, we'll do it. We'll do our special festival party for
you. And, and so and they had this rhythm and dance, I could
not get into their rhythm. And they'd laugh at me like, Oh,
don't you feel it? Like no, it was really weird. It's a
different timing completely different.
Moe Factz: Well look, the same thing with us. You know, what's
the South American music Samba? I think it is also salsa, you
know? I think it's another one too. Well, I mean, just the
rhythms are different. And if you're not on that time, timing,
it's just impossible to catch. And now I think we all have a
unique timing Terrassa now you can train yourself. All this can
be learned. I'm not saying it's you know, it's exclusive to
certain groups of people. And it can't be learned. Because if you
notice on American Idol, everybody comes out they're
singing with r&b Ah, twinge to their voice.
Adam Curry: Been a while since I've watched American Idol. I'll
be honest with you, but I can see what you're saying.
Moe Factz: Even in the inception of it, you know, it was this
what they called blue eyes. So I'm Justin Timberlake listen to
this a little bit in our cars when he went from instinct to
the solo career totally, totally. I mean, cooling the
gang row a lot of songs from him. So he it's the same things
that timing, The Rolling Stones they picked up off Muddy Waters
and Howlin Wolf and all those it can be learned. But with all I
say that when you start learning other people's stuff, it becomes
commercialized and it washes out. It's kind of like what
maklumat say you put too much milk in the coffee. And what do
you have? And I think that's what we have mainstream music.
And as a quick aside, it's one when I heard you doing your new
show. Music
Adam Curry: Mr. Graham ball.
Moe Factz: Yes. It's like in the separate dear. This was 77777
Adam Curry: deputies. Seven deputies.
Moe Factz: Yes, serendipitous.
Adam Curry: There we go. We got two of us. We'll get there.
We'll get
Moe Factz: the actual we'll see there. It was like this exactly.
One time Going about it's amazing that you hadn't had no
clear doing that. And you had no clue I was doing this show
mystery shows where it lines up because it's the freedom to let
people choose. You know, if you do that, and then it can't be
hijacked. Quick aside,
Adam Curry: yeah, no, that's okay. Just to keep that aside
for a moment, I just did episode five of booster grand ball. And
here's the things that that really struck me coming from a
radio background. First of all, the in mainstream radio, your
selection is very limited. Yeah, you got decades of back
catalogue. But the stuff that you actually wind up playing on
almost any radio station is a very small, maybe 100 songs,
very limited. I'm seeing completely new styles, things
that I've never even thought about as as types of music.
Because it's always been so categorized for me. And the,
just the, the the freedom that people are exhibiting is it's,
it's something it's something very, very powerful. And yeah, I
mean, quite honestly, I'm, I'm hoping and Whitlam I know it's
coming. I'm waiting for hip hop, not for me to play. I'm waiting
for hip hop songs to be played by hip hop. podcasters I'm
waiting for worship music, I'm waiting for all of this. I mean,
this to me is it's one of the most exciting moments in my
life. So to have you bring this is fantastic.
Moe Factz: And what what I believe you done is really
centered the DJ into the middle of the music conversation,
Adam Curry: the discovery mechanism, this is this is what
radio used to be, you'd listen to your favorite radio DJ,
because he Oh, he's playing something cool. Oh, listen to
this, not because he had the funniest jokes, or the quips or,
you know, the one liners, which is kind of what radio has become
today. And the music has become a secondary, almost like
tapestry. You know, that's just on the wall of, of putting the
DJ Center as a funny man or comedian that really came in the
90s. Like, ba now DJs gotta be comedians. But for me, it's
like, it's Monday, I'm a little I'm still a little jet lagged.
I'm gonna search for something under play this and yeah, it's,
it's discovery. It's something we completely lost in the last
20, maybe even 30 years?
Moe Factz: Well, we didn't lose it. It was replaced with the
algorithm, this gesture algorithm. Yeah, well, that will
just feed you instead of a human actually curating you know, and
saying, Okay, I'll thank you. If you like my tastes, and I think
you quote unquote, dig these records. Yeah. And people will
call in and say, I liked that one. Or the next one, you get
the, the, you know, loop the feedback. The you know, those
those contests is like, thumbs up, thumbs down, but like you're
saying, play it or play it or whatever it was, but make it or
break it. Yeah. You have that whole feedback loop. I mean,
just a quick aside, it's going to be very important, I think is
timely, that that happened in all the same time I was doing it
down this rabbit hole. So I think it's
Adam Curry: good because I'm expecting some more facts music
to be uploaded pretty soon. I know you got Oh, yeah, I know,
you got it.
Moe Factz: This my first love, I can't lie. And this is why this
show is so important to me. But let's get back to the hooping
and this is Dr. Edward L. Branch, and his take on it for
us.
Unknown: In the African American church world, it is an integral
part of who we are. And, and it fits in well for us, you know,
and and I want to say as well that as a quote unquote, Hooper,
I mean, what becomes a challenge for us, us who are known to be
and especially those of us who are, you know, true Hooper's?
Now, you know, when you talk about Hoopa is not just a tuner,
there's some preachers who can tune you know, so they can grab
a note and they can, you know, they can tomb they can cruise
along that note, that's one thing, that there's some who
can, who can holla I mean, and hollow ona note, and, you know,
they go along and they hit that holla you know, or whatever it
might be, but that's not hoping. Okay,
Moe Factz: so it's different things and it's different levels
to like Are we wrapping is there is different levels to you might
come wrong words together will make me a rapper
Adam Curry: You mean like Vivek?
Moe Factz: Exactly. To put him What I mean is, quote unquote
competent rappers that like okay that's pretty good. When is the
next level when it one thing I wanted to bring up before was
with sermons there's the three eyes, right? There's
information, interpretation and inspiration. So the information
is what you pack into your sermon. Like what I'm trying to
get you to, you know, understand the interpretation is how you
took it, you know, and then inspiration is like the power
this power output, but where I keep saying, it's that feeling
that, you know, when you leave church, you feel better.
Adam Curry: Your, your buckets are filled, right.
Moe Factz: And it carried you through the week. And the reason
why this is so important, and we got to think about back met.
Church was the social club church was the spiritual
hospital. It was the centerpoint for a very long time. And this
is why when they want to get people to get clout, that
without a revenue from your name, yeah, right, Reverend Al
Sharpton, Reverend Jesse Jackson go down the line, because that
gave you a certain credibility. And I think that's move forward
now to rap. And rap really lost his way. While I say, quote,
unquote, black music lost his way, when it stopped being
filtered through church, alright, used to have to go to
church to play on a drum set, or get access to a keyboard, or
learn how to sing and breath control. And then you then you
will go out and become secular, as you'll hear later in the
show. I just want to make that point.
Adam Curry: It's funny, I always felt that Whitney Houston, had
that in the beginning. And then Bobby Brown came in and ruined
everything. You know what I mean? Like she came from she
came from the MS. Why am I going too far?
Moe Factz: No, in this story say that she was the wild west in
the couple
Adam Curry: I know. Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying how it
always looked from the outside. Like, there comes Bobby Brown.
Now. Yeah. Agreed. But that she started in the church. And it
had a lot to do. No, I think it had a lot to do with, with her
relationships in general. But then her music also changed. Her
music also went away from that. Yeah, there was a certain point
that Whitney was very programmatic pop songs in my
mind. And
Moe Factz: it's funny that we go this way. But it's, it's very
important to bring this up at one point, and black music when
she first was making her rise. Quote, unquote, the streets
rejected Whitney Houston, because she was seeing at this
rich kid, quote unquote poser on a side quote unquote too much,
but I don't want to be my think may make people think I'm saying
this about her. But it was, you know, she's a poser, her small
city, Houston. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. She
was born on third base kind of thing. And here she come making
pop music. Because at the time, that's what it was. It was pop
music,
Adam Curry: though. I remember interviewing her at the time.
She was like, Yeah, because we were in Holland. So we kind of
knew a little bit about what was happening with her. And that
rejection, although many of the just getting in we'd have the
internet. So the information didn't flow as fast. And she
would say, you know, I'm just seeing and I'm just who I am.
I'm just saying who I am. And she was, she was she seemed very
genuine about that. But I'm just doing my thing here and people
can say what they want to say.
Moe Factz: Wish it was who she was. She was born on third base.
I mean, we can talk about in the news industry. Her mom was a
legend in the in the church and secular music, you know, so you
can't say it's not but what happened was she was somewhat
rejected, because of the authenticity is like that's,
that doesn't resonate with us. You know, I'm from St. Louis,
Michael Jackson. You know, that's what the whole bad video
was about was. Man, I'm trying to make something different here
like thriller and the world loves it. But people want to
hear that Oh, Michael Jackson, you know, the off the wall, more
soulful sound. And that's the struggle. And that's why I
wanted to bring it up because the is these people are pouring
in so many different ways across the secular line and staying
Christian and then And once you go secular, do you go
commercial? Or do you stay quote unquote, urban in it, what is
the person to do? And then you become isolated. Like, I believe
she did it until you make it so big that we got to claim you
back in.
Adam Curry: And that was kind of the beauty of all of Anthony, is
he said, Hey, you know, people offering me millions of dollars,
I'm not interested. I'm just me. I'm not interested. I don't want
to do any of it. I'm just making songs in my backyard. So So we
hear.
Moe Factz: Right? I think we stopped that too. Yep. Let's go
and get into number three. Women? No, I think we know
excuse me, number 12. Number 12. Hooping is,
Unknown: is an art form. And it is. And it is based on musical
scales. Okay. As I was as I was saying, and usually the person
who is a Hooper is familiar with, and in many cases, also
gifted as a singer. And who, and though they may not know,
mechanically, and it's intellectual lay exactly what
they are doing, they know what they are doing. When it comes to
following, you know, musical tones and, and that, and to be
able to do that at the same time that you are continuously giving
a message and saying something of substance, you know, it takes
work, and, and you sacrifice, probably a number of good
sermons in your efforts to develop that skill. You know,
so.
Adam Curry: Yeah, music theory totally.
Moe Factz: Via spoken word. That's the weird thing about it,
like so? Is it actually singing? Or is it spoken word? The same
thing without rapping? Is rapping just a poem? On a beat?
Or is an actual music within itself? Right? So we're peeling
back this onion. To see which way it goes in, this is going to
get me 13
Unknown: I had a friend, I had a friend who I mean, he would tell
me, he says, You know, I get my hook together. And then I decide
what I'm gonna preach. And, and he he was a tremendous super,
and he and he was effective with it. But you know, and in most
cases, the, the build up, you know, from the start of that
sermon, as as you know, I say to preachers for the preservation
of voice, because sometimes people you know, want to know,
you know, as a Hooper, how do you, you know, keep your voice,
how do you, you know, preach for five, six times, and we can
still maintain the voice can do tremendous things, if you treat
it properly. If you abuse it, then you're going to spend most
of your time horse or with a sore throat or whatever it may
be. And so to build and to pay attention to that, and to
prepare the material in your sermon. So that if this point
requires a lot of energy and effort, and passion to express,
don't put that early in your sermon, because you're going to,
you're going to overload you're gonna burn yourself out and many
times the crowd is gonna go with you. So they're gonna take you
up there, and your voice won't be able to finish that that
message in many cases.
Adam Curry: While there is there is a Baptist version white
Baptist preacher versions called the holy wine and w h i n e,
Moe Factz: is that is that um, was called fire and brimstone.
Southern Baptist is part
Adam Curry: of that and putting it high. Putting that
Moe Factz: you know who, you know who has a similar cadence
to that? Oh, Alex Jones, who, when he gets the rolling light,
well, he's really on his
Adam Curry: roll. Yeah, you're right. He has
Moe Factz: that Southern Baptists. That's why I knew
exactly what you were talking about when you said that. It's
that old time churched wood floor you're saying feeling? And
what brought my attention to this because I was just like,
This is what we do. But I remember like on public access
television, they had these two church shows that used to come
home. One was a Spanish, but he had this Zach cadence. I have a
hoper. And I was like, Okay, well, okay, I'll just file that
away. And then there was a Korean church. Cool. Straight up
and down all Korean, you know, English, and he had the same
exact thing. And it was like, how Don't you know, they just
caught my interest, like, maybe start looking at it a little
deeper and like, this is a vehicle. You know, that's just
like when you hear rappers, you know, you can hear a rapper in
French and right? You okay? It's like, okay, you're rapping like
an American, right? If that's understood, because it's the
it's the pattern on the flow that you could pick up on. So
Alright, so now we had to go back to Mr. Jasper Williams. Now
you tell me if this is a is this a fishtail or not? This is
Jasper wheels. Having him somebody important ask him to
teach them how to hoop
Unknown: That's exactly true. We were on the outside of a hotel.
With a lot of preachers standing around I can't remember just
what the occasion was. But he said Jasper, this is my Luther
King Jr. Saying Jasper Jasper that voice the way you do your
voice can you show me how to do that? I said king I don't need
to show you how to do that. What do you mean jazz but you don't
need to show me how to do that. I said because you got that ring
in your voice that nobody else has. I mean you know I got a
dream I had a dream as it not mocked him a little bit he said
no no, no, I want to go up a little higher. I said do what He
said that you do I want to know how to do that. As a doctor let
me tell you I have the philosophy that everybody can
hoop who wants to hoop and so whenever you get time and you
want me to seriously sit down and show you what I think you
could do with your voice as it relates to being a Hooper I'd be
glad to do that. But no I am telling you this. I don't think
you need to who know more than you have that pretty wine when
you speak and when you preach and we all chuckled about that
Moe Factz: huh Is that why you're
Adam Curry: talking about yeah interesting because it's like a
crossover I'm okay I'm okay was a crossover artists
Moe Factz: that's exactly why I think he if true that not all
will be the reason why he wanted to hope is like that I Have a
Dream speech will fly for the nation. But when you go back
home to these down south churches you gotta come with
with the real me not not taking anything away from Dr. King. But
as you see, even himself with his story is true. He was like
this resonates with a certain crowd but I need to I need to
reach another kind of crowd. And what is similar to what you were
saying about Whitney Houston? He was born with a silver spoon in
his mouth. Born on third base and preaching right so now
you're here because of your who your dad is and who your
granddad was? So I'm sure there were some insecurities and not
having what I'm going to play next are real Hooper. This is
Jasper Williams in action but nothing he was insecure about
that.
Unknown: You know when he was when he
came down at his feet
for now
need no sleep
Adam Curry: Oh, that's another way of reading scripture. That's
great.
Moe Factz: Didn't When did you pick up the BB King and the
James Brown? Oh,
Adam Curry: yeah, all of it. Of course, of course, the I even
hear Eddie Murphy's, you know, take off and Oh, my God, what
did you just say? I mean, it's all in there, it's all in there.
Moe Factz: And Mr. space for the call and I had to stop, I know
you're gonna hit your mark is the audience, everybody's on cue
and time to hit bear, you know, call and respond and out. And
I'm going up the scales musically at the same time as
pasting the crowd. If I don't know if you've ever been in an
environment with that, well, there is electricity. And this
is why a lot of people Jim Jones, and, you know, use the
pulpit to pull off mass mind control, because that power is
real. And people are open to receive it. Because a lot of
time when you go to church, you either need your battery
charged, you know, or you got some heavy on you. And you're
opening yourself up to me. I'm reached. In that, I say that
that's a very, and it carries over to music and it gets
whittled down the line. I mean, here the blue raishin. Go ahead.
Oh, no, even
Adam Curry: the simplest, everybody say, hey, hey,
everybody say how? Oh, I mean, even that's the simplest form of
it.
Moe Factz: In even if you don't know what they're saying, here's
an example of African origin or color response, followed by an
American version of
Unknown: musical musical with the cardi cadeau. devote most of
my brain Yeah, yeah, both they allow focus. We both said, do
what I do it
everybody just got back from England. Everybody's talking
about the rockin claim. Love it. I just finished my tour in
Germany. I just dove into it. I went on down in Sweden, last
October in Belgium. And I went oh god in France. I went over in
Australia. Everybody's shaking. Now rocking. And all that. Good.
And I just made it back around to that to know that it's time
for you to shake. I want you to get it. Come on. David.
Adam Curry: Richard, Richard, of course. I love that. I love
bands like Pom Pom, the bands and the crowd. Everybody is in
rhythm and it's totally in sync. I love it.
Moe Factz: That's the rhythm. I'm speaking of it. You heard it
with even African example. I don't know what the heck they
were saying. But they were on time. And even even his delivery
wasn't the same every time. Right? It was shorter than
longer, but they were still hitting it right on time. So you
may people may ask, well, that's trivial. What are you? What are
you talking about? All right. This is where the story gets
personal. My grandfather worked on the railroad, my father's
father, up until the point where he was given an ultimatum to
bless somebody's head or go home. Luckily, he chose to go
home because he was like, I got seven kids. But he was part of a
group called Gandy dancers. And these next clips are going to
explain what it is but I'll briefly explain so everybody
wouldn't be in the dark. These are the guys that were
straightener railroads with these long poles. And they
wouldn't attempt to the whole railroad system except me like
the whole rail system. But there's one specific job had a
certain need to be on cadence to move these heavy rails weighed
me
Adam Curry: react because everyone had to move, pull the
pipes at the same time,
Moe Factz: simultaneously, Tommy 16.
Unknown: The work calls these retired railroad laborers are
demonstrating grow out of a tradition they helped shape in
the segregated south. It was primarily African American men
who served as the custodians of the railway lines playing and
maintaining tracks by hand labor. These section crews were
no As Gandy dancers. They work for companies like the southern
lnn and seaboard, doing what was considered the most physically
demanding and the lowest paying jobs on the railroad. Gandy
dancers were expected to lay new rail, replace rod and cross
ties. Prepare tracks damaged by floods and tightly packed with
tap the gravel bed of which the rails lay. But most of the time
was spent straightening sections of track that have been pounded
out of alignment by the tremendous and frequent weight
passing trains. Using five foot steel lining bars, each weighing
over 20 pounds. Gangs pulled in unison inching the track back
into line. coordination and timing each man's exertion was
critical. One member of the game, the Kohler synchronized
the gross physical movements with his voice, ensuring safety
and pacing while spiritually uplifting the man at their work.
Adam Curry: Man, I never hear this when they're talking about
racism. This is good. The color I like it.
Moe Factz: So this is a metaphor in itself that left unattended
if we get on the same frequency moving the same way.
Adam Curry: You are capable of anything capable of moving
railroad tracks that are need to be straightened through rock
Moe Factz: capable of doing more than the individual parts can do
alone. It's like that. So one plus one equals three mentality.
And I think that the people that want to control this world
understand that, and this is the reason why they had to keep it
under their thumb. Now I'm gonna go this might be a Space Jam
reach. But I don't know if you've watched space. Watch
Shrek movies. If you've seen him? No, I'm sorry. No. Well,
there was one with Rumpelstiltskin, right. And he
called in, he was the bad guy, the villain. And he called him
the Pied Piper and a pied piper. Cassette hits flute to any
animal, or ogre. And he will play an augers would dance
however he wanted to dance with. I think that was an illusion to
reach the illusion to if you can control the music, you can
control the movement of the people.
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. I mean, this has been, I think the most
recent example that a lot of people know about is Hitler's
boy.
Moe Factz: Gubbels. Yeah, who would
Adam Curry: play Ride of the Valkyries? Before every speech
that would rile people up? You know, there's the whole 432
hertz and changing the changing where a starts all this stuff?
Sure.
Moe Factz: Every drummer has a every army has a drummer.
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. Yes.
Moe Factz: Every hour, okay, how old army is every drill, every
army has a drummer. And it's something to that beat itself to
that cadence. And it's something to the collective effort, which
you got to have timing just like when a motor or anything else,
the gears have to be spinning on a certain timing with the timing
built to maximize force, which I think that this is where the
control comes in. They are fearful as they shouldn't be.
Yeah. You know, if you're trying to run a wall a one world
government, you gotta you gotta make sure you control the voices
or you introduce your own voices into the fray to mislead the
people.
Adam Curry: Oh, this is gonna be interesting with the value for
value music system we've started they're not going to take that
lightly is what I'm thinking now.
Moe Factz: Know when the big guys show up like curry? Curry.
She would know how to go Yeah,
Adam Curry: sure. Sure. GBG Exactly.
Unknown: Had one, one fellow he was saying he was a good son.
And he's saying to him and he said I got the St. Louis Blues.
Blues I can be I got St Louis move. There blue that can be so
we had whiteboard would make him saying to you know Miss Chang
and get it to showtime saying that saying. So he's saying. He
said I got the same day. out, they say, Hey, I got same damn
thing. And we would always boost him saying,
Adam Curry: Oh, that's good to know.
Moe Factz: Go to show you that man and, man, the same boat. But
there's different. You know, this is what is perplexing about
the race conversation. Because you can have people in the same
socio economic levels are close. But there's still a difference.
And can you explain it? It's hard to explain, and they do a
great job of confusing everybody with it. But this is why I mean,
you had this conversation, but help because
Adam Curry: how about this for a second? So and the reason is, as
you pointed out, right on early on, is frequency. What is light
and color? Frequency just a different frequency? Yeah, it's
frequency, but it's a different frequency. So as long as we're
going through this, I'm thinking, Yeah, you know, people
will resonate differently based upon frequencies that are
inherent to them. So even melanin can have, you know, Kim
to have a different frequency. I'm thinking now that's part of
what this is.
Moe Factz: I think every frequency is needed. It's like
saying, Oh, we only want certain bands that light you know, we
don't need Roy, it will say just give me dB.
Adam Curry: Yeah, good point.
Moe Factz: So all of his needed, you know, but at the same time,
you can manipulate those frequencies and make them look
like you want to and it's kind of like what a diode right?
Yeah, a light emitting diode. You can tune that frequency to
make it whatever color you want it to be right on. So this is
the mass mind control. So going for it. Here's an example of a
legendary I remember him from school, John Henry, you will get
this with Paul Bunyan. And it wasn't something Pecos was it
cuz I had one like it was a Mexican character. Paul Bunyan
was quote, unquote, the white character. And then John Henry
was the black character, the mythical figures, you know, the
baby needs Blue Ox, you know, you know, that kind of thing.
And here's the story behind that it calls in line with the train
story.
Unknown: telecon, West Virginia. Tear at the foot of the
Allegheny Mountains, lives a decommissioned railroad tunnel,
known as the Great Ben. According to folklore, this was
the site of a famous legend from the 1870s. About a superhuman
railroad worker. John Henry
the legend is that John Henry was 662 180 pounds, musculus
solid, glistening, you could see him half a mile away. The Legend
has it that he was born in enslavement, and he had all
these goals for his family coming out of enslavement when
he says, I want a good job I want to provide for my family.
And he saw the scene a railroad Lane track. And John Henry shows
up and says, Your guy has a bid. Any man who signed up to work
would get 50 acres of land. If they completed the railroad,
then sometimes its railroad had to be completed through a
mountain. And so John Henry not simply laid rail, the railroad
track, but he had to drive his stake into the rock, which
creates enough space to then load dynamite. John Henry was
the best steel driver. And then here comes a man with the steam
drill. The legend speaks of this race taking place between John
Henry and the machine.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's one of my favorites. John Henry in the
main factor, you know, we have two Bitcoin miners. Yeah, the
House One of them is Rosie the Riveter. That's Tina's and mine
is John Henry. Seriously? Yeah. Yeah. The machine had to have a
name right? Just fall on the network. Right? I'm like, What's
the most famous minor I know John Henry.
Moe Factz: And then John Henry battled the machine.
Adam Curry: Did I know I know without any one and then the way
I remember the story he died of a heart attack right on the spot
after he beat the machine.
Moe Factz: Yeah, God was correct.
It was worth it. But not as it's amazing to use John Henry as the
name because this is what read me being me who I am. You know,
they break out these books. I'm like, give me the black
character. You know, this is and it was okay. John Henry. But you
know what, as I look back Back to 2020 when I was doing this
show, George Floyd has a lot of imagery to John.
Adam Curry: A lot of the size the stature, yeah, physical look
Moe Factz: at those statues that they made of George Floyd. It's
the imagery is there and we're talking about subconscious
things resonate with us, we that we don't even realize resonate
with us. Wow. And it didn't resonate to me until I heard her
start describing, you know, John Hendricks features and things
like that. And so I like George Floyd, which is that was that a
manipulation tactic? Who knows? Or is it
Adam Curry: something that just that is inherent and people
gravitate toward it? Because that story has been told for
generations?
Moe Factz: Right? And this is the archetype for what I was
talking about before the 50 cents the LL Cool J. Yeah,
LeBron James, even you know, these myth these superhuman, you
know, superhuman human figures that give hope Shaq shot is a
perfect example, which was who the Man of Steel Yeah. Ha. Night
thing.
Unknown: As the story goes, there was a competition between
John and Mr. C, which is the drill farms into the side of a
mountain in a single day. During the contest, the strength of
John is so powerful. The blows from is twin sledgehammers, the
mountain itself.
The story is that the steam drill only went nine feet, John
Henry went 14. And so John Henry is superhuman and more supreme
than the machine.
John Henry beats the machine in this this competition. But he
passes away he dies of a heart attack. He dies from
overexertion. And what we have here is, John Henry begins to
symbolize this overpowering physique of a muscle man, and
the ability to achieve in the face of extreme odds.
The Legend of John Henry represents this black man, this
hero who did superhuman feats from the 19th century, it
overshadows the harshness of the Reconstruction period. But it
also shows us how black men who were able bodied, who had that
spirit of willing to do anything they needed to do to provide for
their families.
Moe Factz: Ma, big cliff. And this is like you said, this is a
lose to this. And they go on into the superhuman conversation
in this. And that longer part of that piece that lends to
Superman.
Adam Curry: Let me ask you that lens. What do you think the
significance is in the story? So he would do anything for his
family, we got that he was stronger. He was better than the
machine but yet at the end, he dies. What is iced but what to
do without GMO,
Moe Factz: he won, he won. But he had to die. And gifts as in
is going to come up. I'm just gonna go ahead and put it out
there. We got to start having a conversation about AI
specifically in music. Okay, this is the saying this is the
repack your story. Here comes a machine that says that it can
outperform humans
Adam Curry: who will be the John Henry fighting against the AI
music.
Moe Factz: It has to be done or that they're there. They're
setting it up to where it's going to be very, may basically
build your own music. That's where they're going with this to
where you write the song that you want it to hear. Right now,
we're not we're a long way off from that, but we're fat it's
fast, you know, we're fastly approaching but we're a long way
off if that makes sense. Because with the with the new modern
technology, it's gonna be just typing the words and Draco's
thing it for you.
Adam Curry: Right I mean, you know you and I may be not
entirely aligned on this because my feeling is just looking at
what AI is doing with words man people who really work with
words are like this is crap Yeah, it can you can have it you
can have Drake do a song the way you set it up but it's always
going to be Drake. It's not there's nothing I have yet to
hear something new to me it's all remix. You know, it's all
Moe Factz: made that's the point is gonna get It's just gonna be
a regurgitation was gonna be what it'll do is put the user
center by listening to my version of Drake songs, right,
Adam Curry: which I don't think I don't think will be very
successful. It just to me, that's, that's not how art
works. Well, let's just
Moe Factz: be honest 85% of people's tastes and music sucks.
And they all and they all just be honest, and they gravitate
toward what's fair to them. This is what made the DJ so
important, because he could go through and pick these records,
and putting together you know,
Adam Curry: let me let me say another thing I've noticed,
thank you for bringing that up. I know, I know, inherently Of
course, I know this repetition makes hits. But I didn't realize
that even on a show that has its first episode, like 6000 people
download it was not even as it comes out of the blue, right?
There's no promotion, just do it. And, and I realized three
episodes in. I've played one song each show, and now it's a
hit. It's just the enemies. And only I've been playing it one
guy, but to the 6000 people like, oh, this song is a hit
this thing is great. But I could do that with any song. That's
good. Anything that's good to hear? Yes, yes, yeah. But I
didn't realize how well I did realize it. But not until you
really understand the radio, and the music business, which is,
you know, now it's really automated. It's just, you know,
if every station everywhere on the dial is pumping out the same
song, for weeks at a time is just going to be a hit, unless
it's a total piece of crap is always going to work. If this is
the mind blowing thing for me, it's not necessarily the best
song. But it's the song that has a catchy thing that is that is
presented to you over and over again. And then it just becomes
I wake up singing some of these songs.
Moe Factz: Because you have a great taste in music. And people
appreciate that, which, that's why it's called taste. I mean,
people a lot of people are, taste them, if that's a word is
like do not taste that. It's like, like the palate for wine.
Right? You know, you give an average person some wine, they
don't taste the difference. Like, let's let's place the wood
that the barrel, you know, maple, you know, that kind of
thing.
Adam Curry: But Andres is still pretty popular, you know, comes
in a box,
Moe Factz: you know, because that's what's available to the
people you know, when you go when you go to the store. Yeah,
and this is what curating is all about, is I'm not gonna go to
Walmart and pick my wine. I'm gonna ride out to the
countryside and find a vineyard, right, and nobody's heard of the
find that one ball of wine that's going to shine at the
dinner. And this is what we're doing with music, and everything
else, which is not to harp on the point. But you centering the
curator, is desexualize I mean, it's centralization and D
centralizing at the same time. Exactly. If that makes sense.
Yes, yeah. Focus on me, trust my ear. And I'm gonna give you some
great music. Which that's why people tune into DJs in that's
why people went to shows because it's like, oh, DJ, so and so got
a killer set. He's playing out I've never heard before he has
breakbeats I've never heard before, you know, to the point
where you got to start covering up your album labels, you know,
because everybody who starts out is still like, yeah, what do you
got? Build a curry algorithm healthy thinking. With that
said, I just want to show you how to draw Henry has went on
and carried on the legend. This is Harry Belafonte, I think in
the 1950s and this is the John Henry song and we possibly can
go into the donation segment after this.
Unknown: John Henry he could have he could whistle he could
sing to the mountain early in the morning just to hear his
Hammer Ring Lord Lord just to hear his Hammer ring just to
hear his Hammer Ring Lord Lord just to hear his Hammer ring by
John Henry was a little baby sitting on his that his knee
picked up a hammer and a little pieces do you use a hammer be
the death of me Lord God, yes, hammer will be the death of me.
As Pam will be the death of me Lord, Lord, yes, hammer be the
day that can be family needed money, said he didn't have a
dime. If you wait till the sun goes down. I'll get it from the
men in the mind. Lord, Lord, I'll get it from the man in the
mind. I'll get it from the men in the mind. Lord, I'll get it
from the man in the mind. By the captain said to John Henry. John
Henry, what can you do? To Jack diagonally track I can pick and
shovel to load God, I can pick and shovel. I can pick and
shovel to load a lot. I can pick and shovel to the captain, a
man, but let your steam drill Beekmantown well, I'll die with
the hammer in my hand, Lord God, I'll die with the hammer in my
head. I'll die with the hammer in my hand, I'll die with the
hammer in my
white man and the black men have to be able to sit down at the
same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind
without hurting the feelings about negro. And the so called
Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the
feelings of the white man, then they can bring the issues that
are under the rug out on top of the table and take an
intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only
way we'll ever do it.
Adam Curry: And we are definitely doing that. today.
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Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula
Adam Curry: big baller with $500 and a note to match which is a
good one so I don't want to skimp around too much on it.
Here's what he says he says I'm a longtime no agenda listener
and a Baronet. I checked out your show with Adam a while ago
and had been utterly captivated. I'm sorry that this notes a
little long but you inspired me to reach out and you're with me
on this mode is a good note. We gotta read this one yesterday.
Yes does. In attorney in California for almost 25 years
when the COVID frenzy took hold and 2020 I was operating at a
six attorney law firm, of which I was the sole owner which gave
me a lot of independence to respond to the panic as I saw
fit. I did not close or offer remote work. This was easy
because we were declared essential of course lawyers.
Once the lockdowns began, I chose to act inspired by the
brave business owners who stayed open in defiance. I saw a local
news story about a diner being harassed by code enforcement
people even worse than the vortex rat poop inspectors.
That's pretty bad. I began offering pro bono legal defense
to small employers to fight the citations. We represented
restaurants cell salons, even jujitsu studios and a laser tag
arena. When we backed the government often every case and
they ended up dropping the fines I even got a zoom call with the
mayor. And I like to think that I helped persuade him to call
off the dogs in our town. And when the Mac Vax mandates began,
I started I started offering free legal help across the
country to get people exemptions and again had great success.
Last year, I represented several people in California who were
forced out of their jobs for refusing the job and got them
monetary compensation. I just wanted to tell you how much I
admire your courage Mo and principled stance against the
mandates to me the heroes of the pandemic were business owners
who defied the lock downs of people like you who defied the
mandates, despite the personal cost to them. I already own my
own business and control my own income, which combined with the
magic essential wand meant I took no risk and paid no price
for my principles. I congratulate you on the example
you've set for others it matters. I've since sold a law
firm moved to a small, deeply orange town on the Southern
Oregon coast. My next stage is to stay is to get a law license
here in hopes I can offer service in my small town against
what I know is coming for these wonderful people. My wife and I
bought our dream home picture attached which I did not see Is
it A? Is it a dream home?
Moe Factz: No, it's beautiful. And the view and the view is
reminiscent of you I have
Adam Curry: it nice and we are loving life here best wishes to
you and your family and your journey. And you are in our
prayers always Sir Anthony Myrtle Point Oregon. What a
beautiful note man. Absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for
that and thank you for the 500 I think Trent Scoville should be
up there with the ballers.
Unknown: Sakala 20 his blades only him
Adam Curry: because he just sent $300 No, no, that's a baller
move right there. Yeah. Love that take
Moe Factz: take the money. No, no. Yeah.
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Unknown: We have that.
Adam Curry: I'm curious what your thoughts are on the book To
Kill a Mockingbird and also wondered if you have ever heard
of or read an American plague concerning the yellow fever
epidemic in Philadelphia in 19. As in 1793, blacks came to the
rescue and were poorly treated despite the generosity is such a
shame. God bless you both and keep up the important work of
educating the masses. All right, well, To Kill a Mockingbird,
you're
Moe Factz: killing Mockingbird. So ninth grade I want to say
probably so it's a little hazy. Um, and I haven't read the
American plague but To Kill a Mockingbird. Oh, no. This is
didn't know No, I don't know. It just didn't register with me
Adam Curry: know that it's being isn't being pulled out of
schools To Kill a Mockingbird?
Moe Factz: Yeah, I don't know. Why is another miracle from the
book. Well, I Oh, I understand why they're trying to at least
understand right what people will have an issue with but
Adam Curry: but wasn't basically written for the white man's
perspective To Kill a Mockingbird. This wasn't it may
Moe Factz: say the white savior. You know. And it was more about
the relationship between him and his daughter. That was like the
center point. And then the trial of course, but
Adam Curry: yeah, so a swing and a miss. So we got a good I mean
Moe Factz: for the time, but I don't I don't see what was was a
lightning rod.
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Moe Factz: So, I know we've done a lot of talking about rap, but
we haven't got to the rap yet. And we're not gonna get too much
of it in this show. Like I say I'm laying the underpinnings of
what the higher infinite power is. And why a person like J
Edgar Hoover, and many other people want to keep a lid on the
messaging that gets out the pen is more mighty than the sward
you know and the spoken word I think is even more powerful
because it can motivate people in a certain way as we heard in
the first of the clips with that said this is this goes back to
1943 I've saw multiple different dates but early 40s This is the
Jubilee marry Jubilee and there's nowhere in this possibly
could be the first Rap Performance err ever
Unknown: and listen to me God walked down to the band deceit
he declared that the man had been hidden decided to destroy
the man that has to no no stop no I won't be defeated me and I
won't do the three cubits long do the big and strong divide so
it feels the win and
no
no My God
on a whim and the foundation will leave begin to build the
ring on the hammock that didn't commit the human soul that sends
me faster 100 years bill in the UK by the grace of God was done
God Boris was ready to say no no let me tell you what to do.
Colin Adam was too bad to sway pull him in a two by two ox with
the cane Ruth and Paul and your faith to him and Sam then began
to build up the land he raised his hands the month that he
traveled to see the wind to his chariot he stepped on land and
declared that there wouldn't be NO NO
NO
Adam Curry: Wow as you can kind of you can kind of hear the
negro spiritual in their
Moe Factz: same time he could hear the modern rep it sounds a
lot like the message the flow and edit your
Adam Curry: you mean from Grandmaster Flash to flash and
the Furious fun? Yeah, if you listen
Moe Factz: to the flow, it's the same flow.
Adam Curry: I'm gonna Yeah.
Moe Factz: And the weird part is that is to say instruments and
to do from North Richmond. This is a good time and invoices.
Yeah. Yeah, instruments, but different different, all
different models. Now, you as when you have something good
going, the devil always have to creep in and this was captured.
In the Ray Charles movie, The thief only comes in to steal and
kill Mo Yeah, and destroy. And this is from the Ray Charles
movie, when he's playing gospel, cold chords and remix in the
spirituals and in a secular way. And this was a huge issue in
this time period. And we're gonna get into a little letter
written very soon here. But the struggle between the talent
being used for God's word and monetarily gaining monetary gain
by the church or if secular force could come in and draw the
talent away. But this is Ray Charles in the club and it gets
crashed by some believers
Unknown: you just giving your money to Satan that's what
you're doing.
You have a problem
yeah got
a problem this gospel you're saying you're turning God's
music into six you're making money off the law
he's right
you got a right to believe what you really want to cancel the
show. I just want to ask the folks right now. All y'all want
me to keep playing? Let me say amen.
Without the trip data
Adam Curry: was this from a movie? Or was this an actual
recording in the club?
Moe Factz: No, that was Jamie Foxx. Oh, okay. Playing Ray
Charles in the movie, right. But this is well documented, this
struggle was well documented in the Five Heartbeats. You have
family this own family members because they strayed away from
the church.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that was a big gospel music outside of the
church.
Moe Factz: Right. And there's two reasons One, because of the
spiritual reason, but there was also economic reasons for them
not wanting to go outside the church because this was
highlighted in The Color Purple. You had the church, and then you
had them building a jute joint. You know, those were rivals,
right for looking eyes, ears and economic reasons. You know, the
every dollar that goes out into the jute joint doesn't go to the
church, you know, and in the church was a big source of
entertainment. You know, that's why the juke joint and that's
why him and his daughter, the pastor in the church and his
daughter, shoot, Avery, you know, that was a big merging. At
the end of the movie wanted to see me comics moments, is when
she starts saying God won't tell you something, and she takes it
into the church. Now that could be symbolic, because that was
the secular being allowed into the church house, right now with
the instruments and drums and whatever else because I was next
clip for nearly fuller. At that time, there was big pushback for
the even the piano being in the church today was seen as the
devil's bot, really,
Unknown: oh, man, back in the days when I was much younger
than 12 years old. Sometimes people would say that if you had
a piano and a church. That's the type of sound that you did not
want in a church, the official real what you call country,
Baptists, serious Jesus worship in church, you do not have that
devils instrument in that church called a piano. Because that
same type of apparatus, that same type of box was in what
they call the mail houses, the houses of ill repute, to houses
where you had prostitutes, and people drinking, bootleg liquor,
etc, etc. So you didn't want that same type of box in a house
of worship. There were elderly people who said that I'm not
going to that church anymore. They got that Devil's box in
there. say so. Is that a devil's rock? Maybe? Maybe not. See,
these are questions that should be answered.
Adam Curry: Wow, I didn't know this. Devil's box. I like it.
Moe Factz: Now, I wasn't around with that struggle, because I
always really be going to church, the piano and Oregon
were staples in the church. But I do remember pushed back
against the drumset because like I said, I was raised in a
Baptist church in the South. Black Southern Baptist Church.
drones were seeing Oh no, the drums is one step too far. And I
aver Remember, this is something conversation I remember remember
hearing being had was the the keyboard right? That was a very
contentious situation because it's like you're going away from
the old gospel sound I'm just the Oregon and the piano. And
that's what I'm saying about the shift right? Before they
wouldn't let the piano end and a piano crap man and the Oregon
crap man and the drums crap then then the keyboard Casio keyboard
which had the built in drum system in it and now your
services sound very secular
Adam Curry: interesting.
Moe Factz: It was a huge push bow remember this to this day?
It was no and some even churches only sang him hymns. For you
know from the hymnal? Sure. It wasn't no you know, singing
whatever even quote unquote gospel music on the radio, you
didn't bring that in the church now you had quote, unquote, I
keep saying I got stopped at the inspirational choir. That was
the younger choir. It oftentimes is God traveled around between
churches because he had to keyboard for him. He would do a
set here and then next week, we over it his next church next
church, and, and he would bring the ringers in, you know, it was
one of the best shows that you can have from the inspirational
choir. But at the same time, there was slippage on what was
allowing what not, that's
Adam Curry: interesting, because when we when I first started
going to the church out here, and you know, we have what we
call corporate worship music. My main problem, what took getting
what took some getting used to was there's no solos. It's like,
where's the solo play and play guitar for like, 20 you know,
like, five bars or something just without anyone's singing?
And it's very interesting how, you know, that's, it's kind of
like, no, no, we don't do solos in church. Really interesting.
Moe Factz: And it's funny that you bring that up, because that
Hillsong type vibe. I think that was the one that Bieber went to,
you know, that church that Justin Bieber and all the stars
is going to Yeah, this real would you call it corporate
worship as a corporate?
Adam Curry: Yeah. And that, by the way, is is not meant as a
slam. That's what it's called, is called Corporate in the in
the form of the corporate and people getting together. But
it's double entendre. As far as I'm concerned.
Moe Factz: It's like it was because you had me going the
other way. Like, it's like the can worship music, no shade.
Adam Curry: No, but that's how I interpreted it until I figured
out Oh, no, this series about saying corporate it's, it has a
different meaning and like, okay, double entendre
Moe Factz: it sounds like it sounds like the music that you
premiere iPhone to right? Yeah, like the real certain chords,
whatever. But yeah, so that was the push back. But now we got to
get into who made the crossover from gospel to secular? That is
one Mr. Sam Cooke. This is the OG of OGS in many ways you
Adam Curry: sent me Cupid wonderful world. I know them
all. I Sam Cook, man. I know them all.
Moe Factz: And I'm gonna give you a quick facts family story.
Every time Sam Cook will come up around my grandma facts. Yeah.
Grandpa fans would cut his eyes at her. Cuz you know, that was
their Usher there Chris Brown. Really? Oh, yeah. Him and Nat
King Cole. Yeah. Cooking Nat King Cole came what was a
Adam Curry: good, good looking man.
Moe Factz: Very handsome. 26 stand open
Unknown: the door for more singers than you'd ever dream
of. Because it was an approach to music that we didn't ever
think the public would accept from blacks. Anyhow, he
influenced most of us most of us.
This is the story of how gospel became and why it took a natural
rule breaker like Sam Cooke to make it all happen.
The singer was an iconic figure for a new generation of African
Americans. Sam Cooke was a guy who didn't take a crap from
people and was someone who really seemed like he wanted to
control his own destiny as an artist. That became a really big
issue. Starting in the 1960s, about black people controlling
their own art. Then Sam Cooke was one of these people, one of
the first people who really began to show the kind of
intelligence and guts to do that. Sam Cooke had a lifestyle
that was beyond the dreams of the most Black Americans. He was
a major star, a successful businessman, and lived in a
house in the Hollywood Hills. It was everything he had dreamed of
as a small boy growing up in Chicago, Southside
how seven years old Sam was mad. And we talked to him one day, he
had 12 sticks, and he was sticking sticks in the ground.
So one day he was stealing the stats, man, why you always
sticking him sticks in the ground? Like, he's Elsie? He
said, preparing myself. These sticks. I'm pretending this is
my audience. It's like paid people,
these insanely sticks. So when I get to an audience, I won't be
scared to saying Is it because I'm never going to work in life?
What do you mean, you never know what some of you're saying?
Adam Curry: What is this from this?
Moe Factz: This is the soul deep, the story of black popular
music. And this is episode two of a multi part series.
Adam Curry: The number of six is not lost on me number 12.
Moe Factz: Right. That part is well. And no this is one time
out there no anointing. People know when they are given a gift.
And it Sam Cook it was one of the specials. And you're going
to hear in the next clip how special he was. Because he broke
the mold on not only crossing over but the style stylistically
as well.
Unknown: joining a group like this so service meant a life of
Torah not following a circuit is the gospel highways. Various has
now faded into memory. In the 1950s. The Gospel high res was
exciting place to be as any in America was chosen by quartet
groups, and numerous gospel leavers and traveling preachers.
And traveling along the gospel highway, stopping the little
cities and little towns, and sometimes having church in the
field. Sometimes having church in the church or sometimes just
having church in a tent. With so does cheers, people bring in
fans and food and all kinds of things.
For all its religious trappings, the Gospel highway was a form of
show business. And the artists touring schedules were carefully
mapped out to maximize their possible earnings. It meant that
you wanted to hit North Carolina in a tobacco states right after
the tobacco harvest was in because then your audience had
some money in their pocket. And you could turn out a church and
it'd be donations and the Minister wanted you there. You
wanted to get down south in the winter, you know, farther south
Florida and so on, when people would go down there because of
the weather and there'd be people down there with money.
And that was all part of the gospel highway it was mapped out
to the degree where any given year you could almost tell where
a group was gonna be because that month was when there was
money in Memphis or wherever it was.
Adam Curry: Yeah, he was a businessman as well.
Moe Factz: And it was infrastructure laid out well
before he even showed up. That you're going to be here like
say, North Carolina you'll be you will be in Durham, North
Carolina and doing the right tobacco harvest or whatever, you
know, the agricultural flow was and I remember these tent
revivals I went to a few of them you know, that showed up every
year when I was younger, you know with my grandmother that it
would be a tent you know, it'd be hot as a fish grease you know
what you will be in his tent
Unknown: but
Moe Factz: I want to stress the fact the importance of these
things to keep people moving move him and motivated a lot of
times and intellectual outlook we've seen like all that you
know, how are you going down into give your money to the
pastor but it's churches like their OG value for value
whatever you got out of it Oh no.
Adam Curry: pass our pastor always says value for value.
That's a God thing. Man. That's a God thing. That's what he
always says.
Moe Factz: Cuz what you got out of it. You put back into it. So
now there is gouging. I'm not going to be naive and say
there's not gouging but for all ladies. This is their chance to
dress up. Put their nice hat on Um, you know, even though
they've been on their knees scrubbing all week, this is
their chance to go and see it and be queens, like, why are
they shot shot? The Queen crown, right? I thought, hey, you know,
that kind of thing? Ya know? So is that was their social club.
And these were their social event. And there was a whole
system that showed up before. Sam Cooke even showed up. But he
had a certain talent that crossed over which jeopardize
the whole no system. Allah. Jackie Robinson, the Negro
League. The same way Yeah. When was that guy aiming start
picking up the talent collapses because you don't have the
talent. Now let's hear about this super, super talented
person called Sam Cook.
Unknown: What set him apart, he had a smooth voice had a smooth
deliverance. And in those days, most gospel singers have Kroff
voice they were able to get throaty, they will get
but Sam was always, you know, there was a woman, and the Bible
days, he was so smooth with it. And he was like an exception,
you would think you were at a nightclub because he was good. I
mean, the guy was he was pretty, we loved it. Everybody had a
crush on Sam. In the Gospel world, they were all in the
front of the auditorium screaming their hands up and,
and trying to touch his speed and trying to touch his clothes
and, and I mean, he had strings of women, we walk offstage,
they'd all run to the back of the stage trying to get his
autograph trying to get a hug trying to get a kiss whatever
they could get just to be here.
Adam Curry: I'm so glad you're doing this. This is Sam Cooke
has not talked about anymore his his his role in for so so many
different reasons out of him came Rolling Stones I mean, also
also listened to Sam Cooke I mean so much the British
Invasion a lot the Beatles a lot of people listened to Sam Cooke.
He was very influential.
Moe Factz: He changed the paradigm to where he was so
smooth. It was able to cross over Yeah, we're like she was
saying with the hollering with the hoop and you know that
translate into gospel music. This opened it up for a
different crowd. And a parallel draw draw is we rock him by rat
was very hard core, you know, power, you know, like kinda do
to do and rock him came and said, No, I'll be smooth with
it. And it changed the whole flow of how people read. I mean,
that's why they call it a God and seek is quiche changed the
whole way to thing was done where it went from the Run DMC
kind of powerful bar, even with Chuck D. To this what Sam Cooke
did this move, rod to be kind of, you know, in a way, we're
also saying losing the power behind it.
Adam Curry: I don't I don't know much about Ron Kim Rakeem I'm
sorry, Arabic Arabiya. RockYou. Well, yeah, that's exactly.
That's all I know. Eric being Rakim, that's it. What?
Moe Factz: What? You know why? The same reason you will hear
about Sam Cooke. The real pioneers. They bury. Yeah, and
they made me and they put in there what people call it a day
the industry plants. These words we take out the originators and
we put in our plants or people that we could control. Right,
this is why I laid this show out the way I did is they can't
really harness the power. It's kind of like electricity. They
just have the light and lines in in spirit where they can. Yeah,
it's uncontrollable.
Adam Curry: You're upsetting me now. Well, I'm the guy who can
ultimately controlled Sam Cooke is Alan Klein.
Moe Factz: We're gonna get there okay. We're gonna get there.
Adam Curry: No, I actually met him. I know the guy. He's gone
now. But
Moe Factz: this is the reason another reason I was excited
about this show because from your perspective, you can fill
in certain gaps you know of how there's a lot going on. Well,
cool. J this is you know, Oh, Alan clown or whatever, I was
pretty sure you knew some of these people and I was excited
to hear your engagement with them. Sure, even more so on the
next show is going to be very riveting. Okay, but let's get
back to this show. Do we stop at 2.6?
Adam Curry: We're Yeah, two sixes what's next? Alright,
let's go know how
Unknown: to sing gospel music. You're a saint for the lifted.
You know, you could drink booze, you could run women, you can
chase, you could do all everything you wanted to do. But
you you were okay, as long as you stuck to the gospel. It is
so crazy. Now that I look at it. The lifestyle didn't go with the
song. I remember him telling me one afternoon, we got to the
auditorium quite early. And we sat there on the steps of
auditorium. And he confided in me that he was getting ready to
cross over to secular music. And I was saying to myself, God,
he's gonna cross over to secular music. What if he doesn't make
it, they're not going to let him come back in. So I'm like
saying, You gotta know what you're doing.
Crossing over was considered an act of betrayal by many in the
Gospel community. Wow. If he didn't want to alienate his
gospel fan base, Sam would need to tread very carefully.
Adam Curry: So crossing over, of course, has religious
connotations. I hadn't thought about your crossing over, you're
crossing over to the dark side.
Moe Factz: It was two crossovers. So to the farthest
thing that they like this, the far right was stained black, and
gospel, right. Now, Sam was gonna go over to the instead of
touring churches to in juke joints, where they call it a
quote, unquote, did it again, the Chitlin Circuit, you know,
who got me doing that? No, nearly Fuller, nearly fuller is
to blame. All right. Yeah, cuz he does, it is. Highlight of
point that you you're aware that your words can be taken another
way, but the Chitlin Circuit, that was the two paths, you
could go on the gospel circuit, or you could go on the Chitlin
Circuit. But if you had the talent that Sam Cooke head, you
could cross over to actual
Adam Curry: white ears explain chitlin
Moe Factz: Chitlin Circuit that was basically the the juke
joints.
Adam Curry: actual word chitlin.
Moe Factz: Oh, that's pig intestines, that we're returning
to a southern delicacy. Which another thing? It's amazing. How
when certain group of people do things, as odd as country that's
back or whatever, that's pig
Adam Curry: intestines. Right?
Moe Factz: But then you eat tripe. And delicacy is like, Oh,
now now is different. You know? Perception is hey, oh, man, it's
so new. But no, that was the that was the crossover. And he
was going from the far right. To the far left. Now, what
Adam Curry: was seen as a bigger betrayal, crossing over out of
the church or crossing over to white audiences? Or was was that
seen as a betrayal as well?
Moe Factz: If equal is equal? Okay? Because the church people
were like, Oh, you're leaving us to go sing the devil music. And
the black secular fans like, Oh, you're leaving us to go sang for
white people.
Adam Curry: And it's a shame that that's always been seen as
a bad thing. Because it actually it's it hampers the human
experience.
Moe Factz: Well, is that here's the thing, though. Because if
like, say Pat podcasted for instance, right? Say you built
no agenda up to what it is. And then somebody comes along a
curry will cut you a check for so and so. So and so for
complete creative control.
Adam Curry: Okay, okay. But that's different from I mean,
just think about that for a second. So was playing for white
audiences? Was that inherently equal to giving up his creative
control?
Moe Factz: Yes, it still is today. Because when you sign a
record deal, they pick the records that go now album, you
can make all the you can make 1000 records. You know, you
don't There are that they won't.
Adam Curry: There are black owned labels. I just want to
point out that, you know, record labels by themselves have
inherent evilness to them, no matter one color owns them.
Moe Factz: No, what I'm saying is this, that you're giving up
the creative control because some group of people are going
to pick your sound, okay? All right. Okay. That's just like
they're saying car, you can't play that clip. You know, it's
like you come in with 100 clips, and they get to pick the 25
that's gonna go on the show for me, are you right? It's like we
did the work with your you go back to the word curating again,
you're curating what you think is gonna be most palatable to
the wider audience. Right? Which that was that you know, what's
the word would they call it? Water now you know that's that's
you know you go on commercial because you're looking at
hitting the numbers not keeping true to the to the Brian got you
where you're at
Adam Curry: right and that and that is necessary and true in a
limited system where a small or a group owns the distribution
it's really about distribution.
Moe Factz: The oh that's where that in the shows. Yeah, cuz
Adam Curry: just it's also distribution to shows or
distributions all distribution.
Moe Factz: That's why Live Nation is so huge because they
own the venue's Yeah, you own the rights to the venue's you
get to pick who's on the stage. And Sam was a problem so you get
2.1 1964
Unknown: One of America's biggest pop idols, objecting to
achieve Los Angeles motel rundown part of an issue never
in his brief life, some programs to change popular music forever
set the standard for every single day to follow. First, I
loaded. Last
one of gospel music's greatest stars, I'm combining the
transformation of black church music into mainstream pop, and
fear you
couldn't have the popular music that we have today. Without that
crossover from the church to pop music having one of the
foundations of pop music as we know it is classical music in
America was shot. This child of the church was brutally killed
after an argument at the motel. For by the time of his death, he
had inspired a generation of singers to turn the church music
that had grown up into the soundtrack more than America.
Adam Curry: Yeah, he was killed by a black woman, I think who
owned the motel.
Moe Factz: Allegedly.
Adam Curry: There is of course a case to be made that all the
singers who have real influence eventually are eliminated one
way or the other, either by nature or by God or by evil.
Tupac, you could go
Moe Factz: my memory serves me correct, that he was killed in
December of 64. Malcolm was cute in February of 65. Okay, and
there's some connection between the two as we're gonna see here,
but let's get more into the unsolved death of Sam Cooke.
Unknown: Later in the year, Sam heard Bob Dylan song blowing in
the wind and was moved by its lyrics. He felt that if a white
songwriter could write such a moving song about race, perhaps
he should write one to the final spur came from Martin Luther
King's I Have a Dream speech, Sam claimed that a change is
going to come came to him in a dream as a whole complete song.
Sam had long been a supporter of the civil rights movement and a
change is gonna come was adopted by the movement as one of their
anthems. A single of the song did not appear until two weeks
after Sam's death. The song was amended and re recorded before
release as a single devoted a great deal of time and effort
writing the song and it's considered to be his most
influential composition. It's consistently appeared in
Greatest Songs lists and as found a place in the Library of
Congress's National Recording Registry. He was known to be
sympathetic to the aims of the civil rights movement and
expressed his views in song and through interviews taken at face
value. His death seems straightforward. He was shot by
the night manager of a motel who feared he was going to attack
her. She claimed she acted in self defense, the authorities
accepted her explanation and declared the death to be
justifiable homicide. Many others including his friends,
family, and various witnesses disagreed and the events
surrounding Sam's death have been debated ever since.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Well, the timing is, is indeed curious
and especially With the song coming out in a remixed version
after he after he died
Moe Factz: yeah maybe some minute changes tweaking some
tweaking and this is the point I was trying to make. Excuse me
about creative control
Adam Curry: yeah
Moe Factz: we don't think those couple of lines right will
register you know with the demographics can you go back and
re record that now? Let me make it clear. There is a sweet spot
to where these frequencies meet. Case in point some of the best
Isley Brothers songs are covered a white artist really noticed
all I see if I seen rain Yes, that's James Taylor. Yes. Go
listen to the Ozzy brothers version
Adam Curry: but so is summer dreams make me feel
Moe Factz: that's another Lika which I don't know which who
covered who I'm not sure the timeline on that. But a lot of
their greatest songs are covered but yet and still is so
different. That is almost its own song. Like you could take
somebody to cover North Richmond. Yeah. Remix a certain
way that it would be you know, on the parallel with them with
Sam Cooke song which was one of the last negro spirituals there
is an interesting change is gonna come Yeah, that that right
there is is quintessential negro spiritual. The way it moves you
that way I don't care who you are. When new first sets in a
corner store plus start playing invokes emotion and less use you
just came for you. I'm sorry. Um, but it was still tailored.
By my Sam. I can't take that line. Now. Take this line out.
Can't say this. Can't say that. And it still goes on to today.
Some because you can say that go summer breeze
Adam Curry: was seals and Crofts. See? Yeah, you're right.
Wow.
Moe Factz: Some of their best souls recovers. And that's what
blew me because I don't like and they sing the Isley Brothers.
But when you go back and listen, you know, it's like no, they're
actually doing covers other people.
Adam Curry: That's so interesting because Elvis was
accused of being the white guy sitting in the black songs.
Moe Factz: Yes. And a black man taught him how to dance. With
Forrest Gump.
Adam Curry: Right, which is by definition,
Moe Factz: especially right past him. It's an actual crossover.
That's that right past you. I'm sorry. I see a forest go a black
man taught him how to dance. Yeah. I got it. That's what the
movie was about. Just Just as a quick facts moment, Forrest
Gump, it was about him being biracial. Right. Yeah, you do
realize that yes, I know that. When you look at the lens
through that movie, just to speak on how powerful art is. It
wasn't his intelligent level while he was treated differently
Adam Curry: right. Yes, yeah, gotcha. I gotcha.
Moe Factz: And that was allude to like him teaching Elvis how
to dance. Elvis is dancing and all that Baba buddy seats taking
and all that all that is illusion to who the real Mr.
goat was. But you know, I'm so good.
Adam Curry: So good. So good. Yeah, so good.
Moe Factz: I digress. But let's go and get into part
Unknown: two. On December 11 1964, Sam Cooke booked a room
in the Hacienda motel in LA with a girl named Elisa Boyer. She
had been booked in as Mrs. Cook but in fact, she and Sam had
eaten at a restaurant in town and then came to the Hacienda
together, Sam's infidelities were well known, and he had
fathered at least three children legitimately. In a room at the
motel. Elisa Boyer claimed Sam tore off her clothing and she
feared he was going to rape her. When he went to the bathroom.
She grabbed her clothes and flat in grabbing her clothes. She
also scooped up most of Sam's clothes. When he came out of the
bathroom, he realized what happened and gave chase. Elisa
meantime had tried to raise the night manager and hide in her
office. The Night Manager was too slow and coming to the
office door and Elisa fled to the street. Sam reached the
office and thinking Elisa was in there demanded entry he was
dressed only in a jacket and with one shoe. The Night Manager
was a woman named Bertha Franklin and seeing that Sam was
angry and aggressive, grabbed a gun and shot him in the chest
Sam lunge towards her and she hit him several times with a
broom handle. The gunshot had been fatal though and Sam
collapsed and died on the floor of the office. That's the
official story and the one recorded by police
Adam Curry: go okay, this is the Only story I know. There must be
a second story in the next clip I'm thinking, But wait there's
more. For there are
Unknown: however, a number of inconsistencies we have to
highlight. Firstly, restaurant staff and customers were the
pair had eaten claimed Sam had a large quantity of money with
him. Ostensibly this was to buy Christmas gifts. That money was
never recovered. Bertha Franklin had at one time been an operator
of a brothel. And rumors persisted after the killing that
she and Boyer who had worked as a prostitute were running a
scam. Boyer would find victims and offer to sleep with them,
but the two women would pickpocket them and then cry
rape. Franklin had shot a motel guest in similar circumstances
just six months earlier, those who viewed Sam's body when it
had been laid out in his coffin were alarmed at the beating he
must have taken before he died reliable witnesses like Etta
James claimed that a broom handle could not have caused the
injuries they saw Sam's head had been almost severed and he was
bruised and cut to a major extent. What's the real story?
We can only guess there are some who suggests that Alan Klein
Sam's manager might have been behind the murder Sam's death
would give Klein ownership of a rice rinds back catalogue. He
does seem an unlikely culprit as a living Sam would produce more
songs and so bring more wealth decline. Another popular theory
is that a government agencies such as the FBI or CIA were the
prime movers in the murder. Perhaps they wished to remove a
civil rights activist whose popularity they feared. It's
argued that Franklin and Boyer were implicit in a deal that
guaranteed them immunity from prosecution for other crimes.
This theory tries to explain the injury Sam's sustained by
suggesting he was beaten up by government agents before being
shot. Whether the shot was fired by Franklin or someone else
can't be proven. It may or may not be relevant to note that
Elisa Boyer was arrested the following month for agreeing to
have sex with an undercover police officer for $40.15 years
later, she was charged with manslaughter and convicted for
shooting her then boyfriend.
Adam Curry: All right, well, this is much more believable
than the other story. Particularly FBI and CIA, of
course, you know, we would believe we're complicit in
Martin Luther King's shooting. Alan Klein, I would say knowing
him he was feared and revered in the music business. I met him
once at a probably the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame dinner. And I
was like Alan Klein. Actually
Moe Factz: always like to Suge Knight was even shaking my
elbow,
Adam Curry: you know. And I actually recall having no I
think we had a meeting. We had a meeting and now this is going to
be 2000 not not long before he died, actually, maybe four years
before he died. I think he died in the mid 2000s. And it was
about music on the internet. Maybe? No, it was it was before
it was no I'm wrong. It was in the late 90s. And I just
remember how intimidating he was. But you know, we he took
the meeting. And he was feared and revered i i would say
knowing that just that little bit of client I don't think he
would have he could make more money and eventually get the
rights and do whatever he wanted without having to have Sam Cooke
killed. I think he's he's definitely the kind of guys like
as long as I own you. I don't care I don't care. Just keep
keep doing it. Keep doing what you're doing. And of course
don't
Moe Factz: create it's there. So I'm curious, let Lin lend it to
that because people will say why we should not kill Tupac. He was
saying he was signed to you know, you know a long term
record deal. Yeah, but there's this thing that cropped up in
you know, the rap community that there rappers get better
promotion? Well, no
Adam Curry: dead rappers and as we now know arrested rappers go
to jail get a hit. This is what 45 Savage is witnessing? Yes,
he's
Moe Factz: taking the drill rap formula to a whole case in the
to the top of the charts.
Adam Curry: Yeah. What it didn't do in the Allen Klein Sam Cooke
relationship and did not help the the struggle between black
Americans and Jewish Americans know that that really is one of
those relationships like See, see who's in charge. Yeah,
that's that's kind of what that did.
Moe Factz: Which I still think that's overplay. When you look
at who's the institutional money behind these record labels, you
know, it's bigger than that. Now, all the uses.
Adam Curry: Yeah, say that. Tell that to Kanye
Moe Factz: Tasman. What's the other thing he realized that
even when the money gets big enough, the Jewish community has
to Take a step back. Like when Adidas, Adidas is like we're
over, you're bleeding cash, right? We got it. We gotta get
we gotta sell these sneakers and then they have to acquiesce to
whatever Adidas needs to do. Right? And who's the
institutional money behind Adidas you know, when we start
looking at the big name investors? That that's what the
beauty of corporations is it hides it so well who actually
pulling the puppet strings? Yeah. But we don't have any
puppet strings. We have producers
Adam Curry: we do. And we'd like to thank him and we love it when
they send us new money
Unknown: by like bribing money. I just I don't want any money
around me. It's not. I don't really have a new one that are
brighter than an old 20. That's kind of dumb. But there's
something about new money that excites you. You like $100
bills, owe money to the most beautiful thing on earth is
$100. Bill. That is good looking. Excited.
Adam Curry: I can't wait to tell Tina about this episode. Because
she's like, Oh, this is what oh, she's, I can't wait to my pastor
about this episode. I want people to listen, as there's
some value in here. That is just one of those typical mo facts
with Adam curry. moments where you can't get this anywhere
else. This is phenomenal. I love this. We have a lot of people.
Yes, go ahead.
Moe Factz: And the producers make it happen. Exactly. The
thing is, we're on the Chitlin Circuit here, folks. You have
what is? Isn't that what literally it is, you know, I get
on this guy's shoulder, give me a bigger platform. You know, I
leverage that relationship to grow my thing. And then I'll
open up the door maybe for somebody to come on my show to
give them profile. And that's basically what it is the same
thing. May
Adam Curry: we always stay on the Chitlin Circuit? Well,
Moe Factz: I hope so. I wouldn't I don't plan. Because, yeah,
being small, and having creative control is more valuable to me
than being big and being controlled.
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Moe Factz: So we have a couple of different motives and
possible way Sam Cooke was taken out. Oh, good. We're
Adam Curry: back where we haven't finished with the
mystery. Good. Oh, no,
Moe Factz: he goes we go. So we have the the course the record
label to point the finger at you know this groan Oh, but that
doesn't really make a lot of sense to kill the goose that
lays the golden egg. No, that's not you know it. In the case
wherever leaving and not under contract, maybe. But it doesn't
make much sense. Now you got where he just got what a
prostitute. And she tried to trick rolling. But I don't think
he's gonna take it that far over some money. Even though it's
Christmas money. You can't. If nothing else, you cannot go home
without the Christmas money. You know how I feel about Christmas?
The baby's got to have Christmas. So maybe that sent
him over the edge? Who knows? But then we also have the
intelligence agencies. You know, what were they trying to stop a
person that had the ear of the people. Let's go ahead and get
to number 35. This is from our Prophet. He does great work on
documentaries document documenting this kind of history
35
Unknown: Back in December 64. Sam Cooke was a huge star. But
unlike almost all black entertainers at the time, he was
looking towards black economic power. The record label he was
signed with RCA was pushing Sam towards crossing over more to
the white consumer. His song about the Jim Crow South, a
change gonna come and lyrics that were cut out by RCA as they
didn't want to upset the white audience buying Sam's records.
But Sam Cooke felt there was room for both in his life, and
as his music career grew, so did his political angles. When
cashes clay changed his name to Muhammad Ali and defeated Sonny
Liston for the Heavyweight Championship in 1964. Sam Cooke
was there, along with Malcolm Max from the Nation of Islam.
After the newly christened Muhammad Ali won the match. He
was seen on television in front of all the news reporters,
bringing up Sam Cooke and we're paying his respects listen
very good friend a good vocalist
Adam Curry: I didn't know any of that.
Moe Factz: So you got Sam Cooke, Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali. The
Muhammad Ali calm the number one rock star in the world now you
got the heavyweight champion in the world. And Malcolm X being
the people's champ on the side of civil rights
Adam Curry: the trifecta right there. interest that
Moe Factz: will make a lot of people nervous. Yeah. If you
have them and you have in the background lodger, Elijah
Muhammad the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, it Have you ever
wondered how you want to see it lurking in the background? And
possible big money out of Texas backing him up? But that's
another show for another day. Oh, was president at the time?
And six was his 60s Johnson. No, because that's the 60s 64
Adam Curry: Now was it Kennedy?
Moe Factz: Kennedy was lightning 60 Right.
Adam Curry: Yeah. 64. Now Kennedy was killed in 63. So it
must it must have been Johnson Yeah. Yeah. Henry Johnson. Yeah,
the racist. Okay. Makes sense. Well,
Moe Factz: like I say, it goes very deep and we'll get there
one day but this is the problem nothing it presented itself. As
you got somebody out and this is national television. Yeah. You
got Muhammad Ali changing his name. Well, that's a bigger
problem within itself. And you'd like to say you got the word
scared or more. It's not the militancy is to do for yourself
mentality. That's very disruptive to the economic
system. If you let this kind of thinking catch on, but let's go
and get into 36.
Unknown: Later that evening, Sam Cooke, Muhammad Ali and Malcolm
X are hanging out together. And this photograph appeared in FBI
reports targeting black activists considered dangerous.
Sam Cooke, with Muhammad I lead, and Malcolm X two of the most
controversial, at least to white America figures of the time.
This was not the crowd RCA wanted Sam Cooke to be a part of
if there was no Nick Cook was potentially working with people
that provoke change and potential uprising, RCA would
lose a lot of money.
Well, if you observe what's going on Han try to figure out
how to how people are thinking and determine the times of your
day, I think you can always write something with it that
people will understand.
Around the same time, Sam Cooke got the idea to get some of the
top African American singers to pull their money together and
form their own record label and booking company. Now at the
time, the Italian Mafia was at the height of its power, and was
truly a shadow second government in America that had nearly total
control of the music business. Sam Cooke would get phone calls
and visits from mafia figures telling him, You better leave
the music industry alone. mafia members would enter Sam's
dressing room, they would pose threats in front of sands,
friends and family. Cook wasn't having it.
Adam Curry: Okay, two things one. On no agenda, Dvorak
brought some new information a month or two ago as Bobby The K
is now in the picture. Right that and you know, of course, we
still don't have the full JFK files released even though that
legally should have happened by now. And the thinking is, that
it was the mafia who killed JFK. And the embarrassment that
neither CIA nor FBI could stop it from happening is the reason
why that information has not yet been given out now that kind of
works in this timeline. With those same agents with the with
the mafia, having all this power and threaten that mean, maybe
even power going directly to the government.
Moe Factz: You Yeah, and I alluded to some big money out of
Texas. Once again, you force my hand you have always do it. You
ally. I got it. I gotta go home. Yeah, yeah. HL hunt. Are you
familiar with him H L. big ol money out of Texas, huge or
money out of Texas? Very seldom talked about, but he was the
money. behind it. This goes I got to do this quickly. At the
wrap of my last show, I found out about this ongoing feud with
covers basically what about the orange people? Right, you have
the American kind of cowboy kind of mentality versus the north
eastern Wasp mentality. Sure. There's this war called the
Yankees versus the Cowboys. were well aware of the Yankee side,
the Rockefellers, the Carnegie's whatever else, but there was a
nother force on the opposite side of that for the Cowboys.
One being HL hunt, which HL Hunt had Hoover in his back pocket,
and the mob in his back pocket. Oh, and
Adam Curry: so he he might have been the money behind the
Kennedy assassination to get a Texan boy Johnson in there.
Moe Factz: Exactly. Because he's understanding probably Ben
Johnson from the beginning, but the Wasp, and they were letting
the Kennedys into that group that you were saying, Master Joe
fortune, right that once he got to the got to the convention, he
realized that his candidate was not going to be selected. And
that's why he had to take Johnson. Now, there's paper
trails that say he might have been involved in the execution
of Malcolm X. Martin Luther King and becaming the brothers.
Adam Curry: There's one other name in this trifecta. That's
actually a fourth name. Jim Brown. Yes, Jim Brown was in
that mix as well with Malcolm and with Muhammad Ali and with
Sam Cooke.
Moe Factz: And this is why you see this divide between you
know, the courtroom SAF Boulais here yet her she Boulais is not
unanimous or a one force. You have the Jim Browns you have
those people on one side of it. And then you have the you know
the people with the intellectuals on the other side
of
Adam Curry: stop saying quote unquote mo Boulais
Moe Factz: well that the quote unquote Boulay phone ringing.
Adam Curry: That's what it was. Now,
Moe Factz: what is the bad habit? Alberich? That's okay.
Don't worry about it. No, it's a faux pas in my mind. It's just
something I have to work on doing. But you bet on home that
Kennedy thing once you start looking into it, yeah, there's
so many strings and so much power. But it all draws goes
back to the same point are far few points. Interesting. Yeah.
But going back to the Sam Cooke murder, let's get into Part 37.
Unknown: A cook wasn't having it. It said that he rejected
everything thrown at him and said he was going to do it
anyway. And it got to the point that Sammy Davis Jr. was tapped
by the shadowy figures of organized crime to reach out to
cook and tell him he better listen to the Italian. So during
1964 cooks, RCA contract was up for renegotiation. And Sam had
his manager Alan Clang, renegotiate the contract, to
include Sam's own record label.
What do you hope to do in the future? You're doing different
things now? Well, now, I'm working mostly with other young
singers. You know,
it was supposed to be a new one called Tracy unlimited. With Sam
as the president and Alan Klein as the secretary, they would
find in own all the new music. After poring through the
contracts and papers personally, cook realized that his manager
had sold them out. In actuality, Sam Cooke would be an employee
of Tracy Unlimited, which would be owned by Alan Klein. On a
Thursday, he was going to flat in New York and make a lot of
changes, including firing Alan Klein, but he never made it
through that weekend.
Adam Curry: Yeah, sounds familiar. The here's your own,
like record labels scam.
Moe Factz: This the shingles is basically yeah, you're still
under universal or CBS. So fill in the blank at this big record
label. But we create you a shingle that you can use on us,
but you could sign other artists to yourself, which we still get
a piece off of. Yeah, I went through this with the music that
I was like, I'm not signing nothing. The best way not to get
screwed is no sign anything. That's right. And I've always
had this mentality and No, just the highlight the point that
this show was hip hop. Yeah. And it's
Adam Curry: Mommy, look at me now.
Moe Factz: series, is it it is Rap Albums don't drop them when
they supposed to, you know, is do you stay true to your fans?
Or do you go for a bigger audience? All this is way
independence that we have. That we can say whatever we want to
say? Yeah, we don't have a blue light phone like Sam Cooke had,
where Sammy Davis Jr. is call a talk to you boy.
Adam Curry: Yeah, did the Italians tell you to talk to
your boy?
Moe Factz: That's that's the that's the mint. That's the
blue. That's how to Boulais foreign work is, uh, you know,
somebody I know. Can you get them on the phone? Or can you
send them a message, hey, he needs to cut it out. And if you
don't hear that you don't make it wherever you're trying to go.
Adam Curry: And literally, and this is why podcasting is a
problem. And you know, I've been following. We've got university
people studying podcasting. We've got to Southern Poverty
Law Center studying podcast is a real problem. This podcasting.
Podcasting is a problem. It's like we can't we can't see the D
platform people everywhere.
Moe Factz: Freshly fit took a hit. I don't know what they
thought it was gonna do. They will stay on YouTube's platform
and doing what they were doing. But that was just another hit.
Yeah, and a novel upset some people by this but you know, it
is what it is. What's the dude's name? Andrew Tate. Yeah. To me
screens industry plant.
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. I mean, I I have not had no
interest in looking at him. I just hasn't it's never
interested me. So I've never really taken a look at it.
Moe Factz: This is what I'm talking about when they push the
real people to the side. Mr. Kevin Samuels, who has the
weirdest death I've ever heard of. I've never heard anybody
Dying of hypertension I've never heard I've talked to multiple
now it can be the root cause or the comorbidity but they're the
cause of death hypertension usually it's a stroke or
whatever else but I digress. Exit Kevin Samuels and to Andrew
take care he has industry plant written all over him. A lot of
SIP is upsets a lot of people who will not say this, he's
divided the big con Inc. If you notice, people are taking sides
for and against him. Yeah, I understand it if you got a
smaller platform you got to outflank the competition. So you
take that risk, no to be on his side. But then you have the more
established bid con inked by I don't want to touch him and our
girl can be Candace Owens Yeah. Si Si Si Si willful outperform
Adam Curry: i Yeah.
Moe Factz: Call her to conservative Oprah which is
which is it's been a while so we
Adam Curry: got a lot of talk about what I got it that's
interesting in in this case because she's part of daily wire
and daily wire in turn has some pretty interesting Texans
footing the bill there Yes. What is it with Texas?
Moe Factz: We've been doing this forever HL Hunt had one of the
biggest radio show that he has Yeah, he was the he was the
precursor to Infowars that kind of thing of of making you know
strict conservative content
Adam Curry: Yeah. And honestly that like the minute when Jordan
Peterson joined the wire that's when he started to get really
weirdly political
Moe Factz: now your talking points
Adam Curry: me exactly something changed there with him that just
is off putting to me it's like I like his message I'd like you
know all the stuff he says about masculinity and men and young
men and all this and then and then all sudden he's dropping in
politics like feels weird.
Moe Factz: When you work for the company, you gotta take the
company talking point. Yeah. And with that comes comfort. Lows, I
hit my marks, you know, I'm gonna be employed. And this is
why Steven Crowder thing was such a while I brought it up.
Because
Adam Curry: everyone's got their own version of it.
Moe Factz: Yeah. And we see it play out every day since I
brought up the you know, the, no, the actual Boulay phone, we
see instantaneously. Somebody says something they gotta go
back on.
Adam Curry: Yep. You know, they
Moe Factz: got to change how they're looking. But just the
wrap up the Candace Owens thing. I think she's on shaky ground
because of what she did what yay. And she's looking for exit
strategy. That that is my analysis on that situation.
Because this gets goes to the bigger conversation and when you
go corporate. Yeah. Where do you go after corporates dealing with
you? Like seriously? Yeah, it's
Adam Curry: it's, it's very difficult. If there's only one
way and that's poverty, podcasting, that's the only
place you can still go to, but yeah, but it takes a lot of a
lot of stamina, a lot of work and a lot of honesty to do it.
Otherwise. And well, yes, yes. Have been outstanding products,
always
Moe Factz: tablet sales, if nothing else, you made a stellar
product, they're gonna find you. Yeah, you know, it is what it
is. But going back to Sam Cooke, who also made a stellar product
this is my conspiracy theory. It's been a while since we've,
we have some theory. I'm not caught you flat footed. But this
is gonna take this is gonna crank it up
Adam Curry: for you. Oh, Mo's going off the reservation.
Everybody put on your tinfoil hat. Here we go ism conspiracy
theories we love. This is where this is where we've always we've
always connected on conspiracies.
Moe Factz: Yes. And this isn't this is one for you. I believe.
Sam Koch was dosed with LSD went batshit crazy. And that's why he
ended up being shot. Who shot him? I don't know. But at this
time period, and in this area, CIA agents and people affiliated
with the agency were known to dose John's unbeknownst to them.
Yes. To watch the effects. Yeah. Yeah. Are you on board and
you're saying
Adam Curry: yes, no, I I'm definitely I'm, there's what is
the guy's name who jumped out of his hotel room. That was the
whole story was exactly that out.
Moe Factz: I forget his name. I don't know why I knew it. And I
saw it when I was doing this research, but I didn't get his
name in the clip. But it's mentioned in America's war on
drove the car a
Adam Curry: Frank Frank Olson. That's it. Frank Olson Yep.
Moe Factz: Let's listen to how History Channel captures how
this whole setup will work. And let's see if it works with the
Sam Cooke theory.
Unknown: Two American spies have just arrived at Sandoz
laboratories, one of the world's leading pharmaceutical
factories. The mission cornered the market on the world's supply
of a powerful new psychoactive drug.
The CIA was scared stiff, the KGB was going to get all this
LSD and come over and start dosing people. So we bought
every drop of LSD in existence. At that point,
the CIA has just authorized the purchase of 10 kilograms of pure
LSD 25 enough to dose more than half the population of the
United States.
They gave it to George White and let George start dosing people.
George Hunter
White, a larger than life undercover federal narcotics
agent, unbeknownst to his supervisors, white also works
for the CIA. His job to conduct experiments for an operation
called Midnight Climax.
Adam Curry: Who didn't know about this one.
Moe Factz: Yeah, Midnight comics. Ah,
Adam Curry: okay. Oh. Hmm. Entry. Of course.
Moe Factz: You can say something he wrote a dice. Roll and let's
go to 39
Unknown: George had a CIA safe house stocked with booze, George
would sit behind his one way mirror drinking martinis,
sitting on a portable toilet. He had to take a leak he didn't
want to get up and leave
white pays prostitutes to lower their clients to the agency safe
house.
cookers who would bring these suckers back to the apartment,
and dosing with pure LSD 25 is where I have my effect
in the mind. This is lysergic acid diethylamide. Better known
as acid, the powerful drug was first synthesized in 1938. In
Switzerland, with a dose of mere micrograms, the mind becomes
confused. Perception is distorted personal identity is
called into question. The results can be euphoric bliss or
deadly panic. White takes meticulous notes and files his
reports to a CIA handlers.
So that was how LSD was introduced to this country.
Operation Midnight Climax as part of a larger top secret CIA
program called MK Ultra. The goal, learn how to control and
even reprogram people's minds.
Adam Curry: But I mean it's the timing is right is obviously not
a stretch who got the prostitute there. I mean, we've got all the
elements that are totally could have been a part of what
happened with with Sam Cooke, but then did he go so he went so
crazy, they had to kill her?
Moe Factz: I think they I think he was dos unintentionally, not
that they were gonna do Sam Cooke is that you meet
prostitutes, which this woman later was identified as a
prostitute and a woman that shot him was later didn't identify as
a madam. And that hotel was down on near or on Figaro which is
known as a stroll for prostitution. I think he just
caught a bad when got cardi bead oops. This is this this tail is
old as you know and and for because it doesn't make sense to
me. You get beat for money. Yeah, you run out negative
chasing people with one shoe and then you turn it up to that
level where somebody has to shoot you and then you're
beating to almost being decapitated. Yeah, yeah. over
money. I mean, we're talking about Sam Cooke here. I mean,
I'm sure he's been beat before. But to take it to that level and
to be disrobed in that manner and running around the streets
negative half negative once you will that just, that's a hard
that's a hard one for me to swallow for Sam.
Adam Curry: Yeah. The only other guy I know did that was Richard
Pryor. And he was on fire.
Moe Factz: And and Martin Lawrence, remember?
Adam Curry: You right? He went crazy to Yeah. And then there
was Lionel Richie, but that's because his wife was beating Am
Moe Factz: I any funny that psychedelics now or just
bringing becoming back in vogue,
Adam Curry: but not not just in vogue? I mean, we've got
suburban white housewives microdosing it's a thing. Oh,
it's a thing Mall. It's a thing we got, we got, you know, luxury
trips where you go to some island or Mexico or maybe
Jamaica. And you know, it's like $10,000 for a couple of days,
and you have a professional who's going to take you through
psychedelics. Oh, yeah, this is a huge thing right now.
Moe Factz: That's what we talked about in the wheel Smith and
Chris Rock Show. The Ayahuasca Yes,
Adam Curry: yeah. And the funny part
Moe Factz: is that it starts with the intellectual crowd, if
we just lean on a TV show is a representation of history. In
Mad Men, yeah. Yeah. The intellectual rich crowd, it was
dropping that at first. So I mean, we're, we're right. We're
right back where we started. And that
Adam Curry: changes, nothing changes come up with a new
script, fellas.
Moe Factz: I just think that this is more plausible to me.
The what was in the self. I mean, well, everybody identifies
him as a ladies man, a smooth guy to go raging like that to
the point where he has to be shot and beaten.
Adam Curry: So but that does negate the whole theory of well,
he was too influential, you know, this was a problem.
Moe Factz: It is controlled.
Adam Curry: I was gonna say he seems like he was complying.
Okay, I'll take those lines out. No problem. I'll just keep
going.
Moe Factz: That's why I don't think it was the record label.
It doesn't make any sense for them to do it. No. And I don't
think that oh, we got to take we got to, I don't think the agency
was like, Oh, we got to take Sam Cooke out, either, you know,
because they had a control room contractually, right? I didn't
think he just ran across a government ah, and it went
wrong.
Adam Curry: Very possible Mo.
Moe Factz: So, this, this is from a legit CIA, former CIA
agent, if there's no such thing. I'm speaking to Joe Rogan. And
he gives more insight to the midnight comics,
Unknown: a lot of these things were funded through cutouts. So
he had set up again, this is you know, early 50s, mid 50s, early
60s, set up financing vehicles, you know, through say, you know,
what appear to be non threatening grant programs, you
know, from Research Institute. So you're you you loop in
academic institutions, or researchers and MK Ultra had at
least acknowledged anyway over 80 academic institutions and
others that were either wittingly or unwittingly working
on their behalf in various research programs. So yeah, this
this Midnight Climax program, basically, they'd they'd kick
out a safe house as a brothel. And they would have the hookers
slip LSD or whatever substance to the, to the John's. And then
behind a mirror, you'd have a supposedly like a researcher,
right? I mean, this workout were sitting there, you know, having
a drink and watching these, you know, the the Hooker and the
John have sex, and then they'd be analyzing the impact of the
LSD on them in terms of their ability to talk and, and would
they hook her in on it? Yeah, the hooker was in on it and see
an employee of the CIA. Do you don't and it was, it wasn't just
the agency, you know, like the army was involved in these
things.
Adam Curry: For for Dietrich,
Moe Factz: did you? Did you see him avoid that question? Yeah,
Adam Curry: it was the hooker in on it.
Moe Factz: And then he goes on to answer another question that
was very smooth with the agency, man.
Adam Curry: Well, because there's no such thing as a
former CIA agent.
Moe Factz: Let's hear that. When was this that little piece
again, we're going to pick it up from there.
Unknown: And then they'd be analyzing the impact of the LSD
on them in terms of their ability to talk and, and would
they we'll hook her in on it. Yeah, the hookah was in on it
and seen employee of the CIA. Do you know and it was just the
Epstein Epstein CEO like the army was involved in these
things as well. But they would get you know, cash payments, and
oftentimes the Get Out of Jail live Get Out of Jail Free card.
Pack. You know what, ladies, if you're out yeah, if you're out
there, listen to me go. Forward. I'm here for Yeah. What was that
from?
Moe Factz: That was Joe Rogan.
Adam Curry: Was that Joe? Yeah. Interesting.
Moe Factz: Joe said, Is he still alive? Yeah, we need to talk to
him. We need to bring him up here.
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, no, no, none of that.
Moe Factz: No. But but that's how it roll. Wow. That's
straight from the horse's mouth and what caught me. My attention
was these university cutouts. Yeah. I've pointed to the
universities from day one where you look at all the sexual
studies, race studies. What's the other one?
Adam Curry: Right up to Professor Ted, Stanford
University.
Moe Factz: Right? And even the critical theory on Marxism,
every Frankfurt School
Adam Curry: all comes through the universities, all of it and
then of course, the universities create teachers and they go in
and they start corrupting the middle schools.
Moe Factz: And you know what else came out of university? The
Harvard report this is Logan Westbrook, a mover and shaker. I
don't know if you know him or not, you can still keep
everybody in the base. But this is louder, Westbrook, and he
this is an older clip. And he's going to describe the horror
report which is CBS. Would you like to tell people what you
call CBS?
Adam Curry: Oh, the Central Intelligence broadcasting
systems.
Moe Factz: Okay, CBS Commission's Harvard to do a
study 50 years ago. Are you seeing the timeline here? We're
hip hop, I'm with you're celebrating 50 years CBS
Commission's Harvard to do this report. This is Westbrook's
early take on it.
Unknown: Most of my exposure has been on the business side, the
marketing handed dictionary books, I put out a copy of the
Harmon report, which has never been released. And I put it out
in its raw form, just as it was presented to me from the
students at heart. So it can be very controversial. Some say
that the carbon report was the beginning of the demise of black
record companies. What I have released this book, just as it
was presented to me, like you form. Why do people think that?
Well, again, it's so easy for one to follow the bliss. The
really saying is that Clive Davis and and his big mining
company decided to hire these students to do this record. And
when they did this report, the union says and blueprint to
follow this report to swallow up the track record companies and
put them out of business. That's what they say. That's not true.
That's what they're saying. And even when Apple bagel, who was
the owner of Stax Records, he sued CBS Records, and he used
that report.
Adam Curry: Man, I have not met him. But if you go to his
website, Logan westbrooks.com. Right. There's a big picture of
him and Obama. Right, right. Another CIA cutout. Oh, man,
this is great. Interesting,
Moe Factz: very protective of Clive Davis. Bob Davis has had
his fist on black music. And he's clutch I would say, oh,
yeah, for a very long time.
Adam Curry: And Clive Davis, very black mailable has an I
think they got him for a moment there that was wasn't even that
long ago that you know, there was some payola scandal and even
though it turned out that it wasn't really anything to do
with him, he got implicated in it. He got fired from his own
company. He was Mr. Whitney Houston, he created Whitney
Houston.
Moe Factz: And then the way the story goes, he was very callous
around her death. The show must go home kind of thing which kind
of made him lose favor. Yeah, he's very tied in with Diddy.
Take a Puff Daddy.
Adam Curry: Yeah, and there's a lot of rumors about them being
romantically involved. Yes.
Moe Factz: But we know the CIA gets down they used sexual
blackmail to control yes exactly control all but it's funny that
Mr. Logan Westbrook uses words like myth and you know, this
basically, you know, this is a story concocted to make Clive
Davis look bad, right. That was the that's what we take away for
49 All right, yeah. Well as these men get on these Boulay,
men get older, and the door started shut shut on them. I
think this is maybe the 14 hours, maybe 10, maybe 15 years
ago, just looking at the camera quality, and the dress. This is
more recent, this is on the anniversary of the 50 year
release of the Harvard report, where the Commission have it not
the release of the book. He's changed his tune a little bit.
Unknown: So tell us what the Harvard report is and how it
started.
The Hodel report was a study that was conducted in 19 172.
And it was permission by CBS under the auspices of client,
five, Davis, and Bruce Landau busanga, who was the VP of
Marketing, who I reported to, and he came up with the idea to
conduct this study, using some shooters here at the Harvard the
the B School students as a project. And they took it on, I
was a liaison between CBS and Harvard. And I worked directly
with those students and guiding them and that next day, and the
results of our study was called the Harvard report. Basically,
it was a Blueprint was a blueprint for pin trading, black
music, marketing, and also intentions of dominating black
music and black lives. That was
Adam Curry: power 101. The Harvard report.
Moe Factz: CA You thought it was a myth? No,
Adam Curry: it's real.
Moe Factz: And Mr. Logan said it will Mr. Westbrook said it was
in his original clip 49 He said it was it was a myth. The make
Clive look bad. Now he's the liaison going between the two
institutions being the bag man, basically. And it's the
blueprint, it went from a mirror to a blueprint. Which one is
Adam Curry: it a blueprint? This is interesting. Because this, of
course, is around this time, this is where we start to get
the conspiracy theories about you know, a relatively small
group who got together and said, Hey, this hip hop thing, we got
to do something with that we got to control that. We can control
the mass and we can do stuff for this. And is that am I going to
presume 94 might have some of that?
Moe Factz: Yeah, we're gonna get we're gonna go ahead to light a
platinum, the foundation down to show you all the inner workings,
the shift from this higher infinite power that this group
of people has, that has to be controlled. Gospel music isn't
that means gospel means the Good News. The machine can't allow
the good news to go because it teaches about liberation
freedom, you know, and being independent,
Adam Curry: and love. Oh my god, right? Let's not let's not
forget that.
Moe Factz: So what they done is promote the secular music, which
basically inverts gospel music. And at the same time, they
hijack the black secular music by eliminating Sam Cooke and
putting in other figures of power, we'll get back to that
and 94 Maybe, and then they got a 50 year plan on how they ran
their Rhino schedule. Black Music is wrapped up. How you
talked about 100 songs they pick for Oh, yeah. On the black radio
is 10 songs. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Well, that's going to be interesting when we when
we see things change with value for value music. This is what
you're talking about serendipitous? Yes, right around
this time right is we're celebrating 50 years of Jay Z
I'm sorry, hip hop
Moe Factz: on top.
Adam Curry: There's no coincidence in the kingdom. Mo
this happens to all this happens for a reason I love it. I love
that you brought this today. This is fantastic.
Moe Factz: I appreciate that. And as I always say, pay
attention to everything and the true reveal itself
Adam Curry: and we will try to get to you with 94 as soon as
possible. Thank you and remember to support us at mo facts.com
We'll see you soon everybody with episode number 94.
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