More facts with Adam curry for December 8 2021. This is episode
number 72. We are back once again. It's Wednesday. You know
what it's time for us right? I'm Adam curry coming to you from
the heart of Texas Hill Country time once again to spin the
Wheel of topics. All the way to Northern Virginia. Please say
hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr.
Moe facts I don't know I'm great. It's so good to talk to
you. We barely speak anymore.
That's what happens. We have a shutter run man, this busy,
busy,
busy. I don't know what you're cooking there in the back
office. But yours. I think you're awful busy. You're doing
a lot of stuff.
Very busy. Producers are sending value in all kinds of ways. It's
exciting new chapter. And speaking of new chapters, I just
had a birthday.
Yes. And of course, as your good friend. I completely forgot
about it. And I think I got your day and a half late.
You got me early for the next.
Yes, so was this 41 for you now? 40 Yes.
41
You'll never catch up to me. Did you get anything good? Any any
any cool presence?
I got a lot of love from the facts family. From the real
family as well. Favorite food. Everybody got together and I I'm
going out of town to see my mom and pops here. So it's gonna be
a birthday week kind of thing.
Oh, nice. All right. So does that mean there'll be a
postponement on the Lost Tapes for next next Wednesday? Oh, no.
No
postponements. Okay, dynamite Wednesday, eight o'clock, set it
on your calendar, set it on everything was the eight
o'clock.
That's right. And and we should be able to get the video into
the podcast feed by the next time we have lost tapes, which
will work with any of the new podcast apps and new podcast
apps calm. Alright, Mo I am super excited. Of course, once
again, I have no idea what we're going to do today. But should I
just spin the wheel?
Well, I like to say something for we spin the wheel. Since
it's my birthday. And we're gonna start a tradition. This is
the second year of this. My birthday show is something that
I always want to work on. It's not going to be timely in the
you know, current event kind of thing. Kind of like a trappers
delight. That was another birthday show. Um, but hopefully
people I hope people enjoy the topic and you can go and spin
the wheel.
All right, I love trappers like can't wait to see what we have
for the show topic for episode number 72 of moe facts with Adam
curry. Let's see what we got the topic for today's episode is
being Black can be bad for your health.
Okay, what a birthday show Happy Birthday. All right.
So for this show, we got to talk about the Duke lacrosse case,
which is not timely at all.
No, that's from oh gosh, that's from How long ago
2016 May 2006. Excuse me. So we're looking at 15 years old.
Um, but the reason why I want to talk about this is for two
reasons. One, the cow Rittenhouse Rittenhouse case
sparked a lot of memories about that case. Mm hmm. Oh, with the
prosecutor playing all kinds of tricks, how would the race
aspect of it? So it just brought it up in my mind? And I think
it'd be cool to discuss it. So we kind of do
whatever you want. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm sure it's not just a
throwaway topic. I'm sure there's a lot to unpack here.
I hope so. So let's go ahead and get into it. And number two
fascinate fantastic lives.
Can play more than basketball down in dorm folks? Lacrosse
players were cool kids. Good looking big. They were tough.
And they were offensive ultra aggressive, ultra focused. It's
golf culture with an attitude.
They were very popular athletes. Their attendance at parties was
a big deal. They ran and they were there together
most of the kids are from the northeast. From well established
families
I think the kids all want a crack at number one again. And
if we're good enough, you know, we're good enough. And I think
our guys are good enough.
We knew that this team was going places. That's why everyone was
so looking forward to the following year. But they also
understood that, you know, it's not that easy to get to redo it,
you did to repeat. You had these were athletes who knew what it
was like that one little thing changes everything.
Do we need to explain for people who may not be familiar with the
Duke lacrosse case, that kind of an outline of what was going on?
Yes. So in 2006, the nation was rocked quote unquote, by
allegations of three Duke lacrosse players had raped a
woman named crystal Mangum at an Off Campus Party. And the wheels
of justice set in place similar in the case like the Rittenhouse
case, that they had to have these boys, quote unquote,
that's how they refer to these young men. And that's why it
came up in my memory. And as I was doing that show, I was like,
this seems a lot like the witch hunt that happened with
Rittenhouse. How they were already guilty. No, in a court
court of public opinion. So what I want to do is just like draw
some highlights there. I think that's the first time we really
saw the council cannon come out. The woke culture in the
university was 2006. Here was it
rolling stone that wrote the initial
when you're thinking about the Virginia that you think about
this is the this is the predecessor to that right.
Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. So when after that. So
what you're referring to is the Virginia UVA. Yeah, the right
culture there. And this predates that. And this was like on the
heels of Katrina. So race tensions were very high
as in the current frame that Yeah, that's really good to
frame that. Okay. Yes.
So I just want to show if we would have been paying
attention, then we could kind of see what will happen now in the
Rittenhouse case, but I also want to show that money and
power this case didn't even you know, get the wheels going on it
because it got shut down real quick. But it was powers that be
that wanted to give you oxygen for a political political game
and Social Change Game. So there's a lot here.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready for the ride.
Okay, so just to give you an example what how the media? That
was a I'm sorry, these were three white guys. Right. Let's
just make sure three three white guys and raped a black girl.
Yes. Okay. Very important for context if they're super
important. And Anna, half and half city called Durham. Okay,
let me get like, I'm glad you brought it up. I'm from Durham.
live. I live in Durham. So I experienced this boots on the
ground. You were that you were living there when this took
place? Yes, I was 25 years old when this took place living in
Durham. Um, so it opened my eyes to how certain things work as a
young man.
Yeah, this is this is good for context. Now I understand why
it's your birthday show.
Yes, it's gonna be a lot of personal context in this because
I am a Duke basketball fan. So that plays a part in and we're
going to get into the whole Duke University Duke culture kind of
thing, how to look that it's a lot here for me personally. So
that's why I want to make it as a birthday. So So I think it's
very apropos to do this. So moving back to the clips. This
is an example of the anti Duke media and I want you to listen
and just mentally compare it to what we heard about Rittenhouse.
That's going to be on a jury now. That's right and diamonds
handed down arrests made on at least two young men. We're
expecting yet a third invite indictment in the Duke lacrosse
rape scandal. Let's go straight to Clark girlband our producer
producer What can you tell me about these two young men?
They come from some nice homes in the shadow of New York City
dance. Let's first start with cars. Lynn's home, it's in
garden.
I'm sorry. When did you get on the first name basis where the
defendant and a first and I had a rape case or not? Okay, let's,
Mr. finners. Go ahead.
Mr. Finnerty His home is assessed at 1,000,900.
About the family, why don't you give them me $2
million. What does that mean? How much their house is worth?
where he comes from? And Garden City, New York. Your point is,
you would be interested in their backgrounds. We have a rich, is
that what you're telling me? Well, I'm telling you, they do
have some nice homes. Nancy, and we also have one from Reed
Seligman. His comes in at about $1,300,000. A very nice area as
well. Okay, what is that it's about a half hour away from
Manhattan on the Jersey side. So let's take a look at the house
of the parents of the alleged victim. Their home comes into
the roadway.
Right? Wait, are you trying to say that the victim is going to
be outgunned by money in court?
I'm not trying to say anything, Nancy, I'm letting the stats
make sure the stats are
doing the talking. Wow, she's pretty blatant. It sounds that
will sound a scripted, though.
If she was being sarcastic way for a reason to say.
They're rich, right? Okay.
So she was being it was built, this clip was built this whole I
got a set of clips is built around sarcasm, but got it. It's
a reason why she's doing this to say, oh, you know, they're gonna
get off. And I want to make like something right up front here.
The thing was the thought, when we when people first heard about
this case, is they're gonna get off. And it's it could be even
known to two things to be true. This is one of those cases. That
one, the feeling that they're going to get off regardless of
what happens. Has nothing to do if they were guilty or not. Does
that make sense? Yeah, no, I,
of course, I totally agree. I mean, I I was 2006 I was in I
was in the United States. So yeah, I recall this Sure.
Whether they're guilty or not, they're gonna get off. And
that's what really rubbed a lot of black people quote, unquote,
black people the wrong way. Because like, oh, you know, it's
dude. You know, they always get away with everything. And that's
the culture of do a lot of that played in with the basketball
team. We might talk about that a little bit, but I just want it
like that. That's the thing that rich, white cross playing. Do
players are trying to get off regardless, interestingly,
now 2006 You said? Hmm. So I I was really busy, you know, with
podcasting, building podcasting. 1.0. But I do remember the case.
And what is interesting as I was like, not watching news at all,
maybe headline but just like, just whatever trickled through
completely focus on something else. What I do not remember, is
the victim being black.
Yes, that's your whole that was the whole linchpin in the case.
I don't I do not remember that. That didn't get through. It
wasn't communicated. Of course, I wasn't doing media
deconstruction at the time.
Alright. And that's the thing is kind of cool that we get to look
back at this K. Yeah. Which no other podcasts probably never
gonna talk about, again, maybe until like, five years from now
when it's like the 20th anniversary, but we beat him to
it. Um,
so you but also what, what podcasts would have to host
saying, hey, remember that Duke case? Yeah. Yeah. What? I don't
remember her being blackout. Right? No one would remember
that. No one would even think to talk about it that way.
And the fact that I like said, I lived in Durham, I was a huge,
I'm a huge basketball fan. So it had a certain in certain
connotations to being a Duke fan, which we'll get into as
well. So I'm so guess we're going and getting the numbers
for people that people know this is Nancy Grace, if you didn't
catch her voice, and this is part two of that clip.
Okay, and let me throw a stab at you. Okay, faults, rate
reporting, false sense of self salt reporting is somewhere
between the low numbers of two and 8%. Okay, so you can roll
all that money together? And it means not a hill of beans. In my
assessment of this case? Are you saying they're gonna hire high
priced lawyers? Is that where you're going?
No, I'm not going anywhere. I have some more stats. To look at
the incomes of these three towns where all three of these players
are from in Garden City, it's around 100,000 nest expels about
150, which is very, very high in the United States. And in
Durham, North Carolina. $43,000. And lastly, where they went to
school if you're interested, these two private schools, they
clock in at about $23,000 each. And of course, where the alleged
victim went. It's free.
I want to go to Stephen Miller with Ed Conservative Union.
Stephen Miller. What's yours? spots are the indictments handed
down in the arrests?
Well, I think I speak for many students when I say that we're
very, very concerned that two innocent people may have
possibly.
Is this Stephen Miller? The the bald guy who is in the Trump
administration? Yes. Yes. Interesting. What? What outfit
was he with here? Let me see what
the Duke something is something associated with do students? Do
students something? I'm sorry. Um, I didn't catch that you
started.
Maybe? I'm gonna go back a little bit. Yeah, just I just
thought was interesting that this guy pops up in 2006 in this
role is kind of cool. It's
free. I
want to go to Stephen Miller with a D Conservative Union.
Deep Conservative Union. Conservative. How do
Conservative Union? Yes. Okay. Got it. Stephen Miller.
What's your response to the indictments handed down in the
arrests?
I think I speak for many students, when I say that we're
very, very concerned that two innocent people may have
possibly just ever lives ruined. You're saying it's not possible.
They're innocent. That's not even in the realm of possibility
possible. But a grand jury has heard evidence and deems fit to
go to a trial. And we're saying that ever hearing what the
victim has to say, you're saying the great I'm not saying? I'm
not saying I'm convinced at all. And your first problem is to
innocent people. I
said, I didn't say that. I said we're concerned that it's
possible that two innocent people may have had their lives
ruined, because this case does have many irregularities and
many inconsistencies. Esther
ah ha going to you ever sister. Oh, man, lo Are you?
Are you seeing the parallels now?
Yeah, this is very, this was a yes. It's I love seeing this
media job. Although, of course back in the day, it was only HLN
headline news that that would do this type of reporting. And now
it's just everybody.
Well, there were some big heavy hitters. I don't want to spoil
anything, but there was some heavy hitters that jumped on the
Duke is Duke lacrosse players is guilty bandwagon.
Oh, lots of people. Sure. Yeah.
So that's the crazy thing about it that um like I said, this is
the first time you really saw the academia step up and take
shots at his own school and the media to you know, you're guilty
for white men to say you're guilty until proven innocent. We
this this was not really seen before. And this is a very well
how does that tell you're going
to head there Ever Had there been anything like this or
similar since Tawana Brawley in the in the 80s in New York?
No, no Hatton. And that's the thing, man, this is like I said,
This is that time when? No, in most cases, this case would have
been okay the cop show up listen to both sides of the story a you
guys go ahead and shut the party down. You go home sleep it off.
And it would never been heard of. But there were political
motives and social motives at play to take down the
patriarchy. So this was like the first hit at the at the
patriarchy and family and that kind of thing.
Yeah. And that literal patriarchy sounds like.
Yes. And you heard what she said, Who cares about what two
innocent guys? You know, it's about what the victim and yeah,
this, this plays into what you were saying about the VA, UVA
case. That's what this was the root of that. of the college
campus rape culture kind of thing. Oh, right. Right. Right.
Right.
The rape culture that yes, I remember now. Yeah. Yeah.
Yep. So this is this. This is the this is the big daddy of
them all. I guess we can go ahead and get into Part Three
now,
because this case does have many irregularities and many
inconsistencies. Yes, I do. But I would appreciate it.
I mean, got a mother. I mean, what your first concern is that
somebody is falsely accused Don't
Don't tell me what my first concern is please, my first
out of your mouth. Maybe I'm crazy. I don't wear hearing.
That was my first concern when I first heard these allegations
was that a innocent woman had been raped. That was the first
thing that came to my mind. But as the facts start to come out,
there was many irregularities and inconsistencies that
troubled me like many other people, you've talked on the
show about how she had bruises on her the day after, but a
photo before before the alleged rape occurred shows that she had
bruises and open sores on her body. We also had the
Newsweek says at 1203 Yeah, what Newsweek says
that in the report, it says that there already bruises at 12 we
get another
reaction from Monica Johnson Hossler, the executive director
of North Carolina coalition against sex assault, your
response I think what I would say to this, Nancy is and as Dr.
Baker spoke to earlier, that when you have rape victims,
oftentimes the story would seem, as Mr. Miller just stated,
irregular, inconsistent. And I think the reality is that the
story often comes back to the victim in pieces. Because as Dr.
Baker Baker always also said, that it's something that you
don't necessarily want to call recall and talk about at that
point. So I think that's the first thing I want to say about
this case is we shouldn't use the word irregular, or it
changes but really think to the fact that this is something that
people are asking over and over again, the sexual assault nurse
examiner, law enforcement, her parents, her family, everybody
wants to know what's happened.
Man, so yeah, so they had it out for him. And it's a reason why
Duke is the epitome of whiteness. Um, and what I mean
by whiteness is the Wasp aspect of it the white Anglo Saxon
posture, male Sure. The way Duke got his money off of tobacco and
other things that we're gonna get into later
is very problematic. Mo. Yeah, this was the
perfect and people hate do I mean, if there's a literal hate,
for do?
Okay, so this has to be some kind of setup, then I'm just
gonna, I'm just gonna jump ahead.
Yeah, I mean, we're not gonna it's not gonna do spoilers not
gonna be an outcome of the case, because the case is 15 years old
people know how it ends? Yeah, sure. It was the it was the,
when you look back through it now through the 2021 lens. And
what we've seen now you look at this case, it's like, oh, yeah,
this was clearly your set like you're you are you rip it out?
And this is, this is a setup, because he's not there.
Do we need to? For people who don't know living in different
countries? Do we need to talk about the outcome? So they have
that for the context? Or is it okay, just to go forward?
Well, this next clip jumps forward, okay, this in close to
modern day times. So it will explain what happened in the
case, Aleksei you big got off, let me just say that right now,
they got off, and rightfully so. But this is Nancy Grace. And
she's gonna be called to how she held a case, by Jim Norton and
Sam Roberts.
I never dreamed growing up on a dirt road in the middle of
nowhere, as some people would say that I would ever have a
show on HLN. So it was beyond anything I'd ever really dreamed
of.
Did you get it? Did they ask you to leave? Or did you want to
leave? I wouldn't
say that I wanted to leave. I felt like it was the right time
for me to leave. Because I'm leaving behind a lot that I'm
going to I want to get.
I had like, well, I'll be honest, I had a problem with you
for a long time, because I felt like you were capitalizing on
tragedies. And I'm sure you were accused of that before where
were you capitalizing on this stuff?
As a crime victim myself, I guess it's the way you look at
the world. I invite crime victims on and tell stories from
their point of view, I help find missing people and help solve
unsolved homicides. So what I we tried to do is take a story. And
I bought this really from my law school days, where I would have
to condense a very difficult and convoluted case into something
simple, and did with juries to break down complicated and
convoluted facts and give it to them. 123. That's how I look at
cases, I usually come up with a moniker and for whatever case it
is, it could be the scenario, it could be the defendant, and
that's what I call it.
And then do we have to ask you what to do grape case? Because
you know, look, I underst I thought those guys were probably
guilty too. When I first saw that they didn't look it didn't
look good. But then you would have been pretty hard and and
Mike Nifong got. I guess he was just barred. And you didn't? Or
did you come on and clear it up? And I just thought it was well,
if you
read the transcripts before you asked me the question. There was
no point that I ever said these guys are guilty, although it's
been commonly and very happily portrayed that I did.
Wow. I'm thinking to Nancy Grace could be a pretty good
propaganda agent.
She is I mean, you heard what she said. She says she's able to
boil down boil it
down to 3123. Boom, you got a jury? Yeah, that's a skill
casting spells. That's that's an example of casting spells. And
then she says that, oh, she grew up on a poor dirt road. Now,
this plays into the fact that this could be the source of hate
that she had for dude. And he's pretty These are the dude, these
Duke lacrosse players were like the epitome of preppy douchebag
cocky jerks kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like they were
the epitome of that. And you heard what she says she grew up
on our poor dirt road. So as you saw this endurance live in
Macon, Georgia. Yeah. So yeah, but you saw this living in
Durham that a lot of people that went to Duke came from up north
out of New York, as you heard what the three guys that he laid
out where they were from there in the, in the state of New
York, rich, kind of, you know, like, say, waspy people that
come down south for the Southern Living. So they're not natural
to that geographic area. So there's always going to be
conflict between the local white people and the Duke students.
Oh, yeah. No, I thought this is great context. I had no idea. I
don't know anything about Nancy Grace. Yeah, so I shoot now I'm
looking at it now.
So when she led off with that I grew up in a poor dirt road.
That was her. I believe that was part of her motive. Like these
rich, no preppy, right.
Wow. Yeah, that's totally makes sense with the first clip where
she's like, Oh, no, don't tell me. Yeah, okay. Got it. Yeah.
And then the fact like says, she says she can No, boil it down to
two or three words. That's why we saw the Kenosha kid. We see
the kind of thing and we see these types of things now that
play out where they just boil down.
To 2123. Braces, Kid douchebag. No, good. Guilty.
Yep. So that mean, just to give it context, and you heard her,
um, this she said she didn't ever say that they were guilty.
But in the previous clip, she said false. Rape victims only
say that I mean, are only occur, like maybe 8% of the time, the
number she threw out there. Yeah. So she said, nine, there's
only 90% chance they're guilty. That's what she the way she put
that. But I know
a lot of people who would do stuff like that, and do put in a
little tricky words, as I'm looking at you divorce, little
tricky words and come back. And they're like, no, no, no, no, I
never said that. Okay.
Give yourself out. She gave herself she never said it. Um,
and you said, she said, read the transcripts. She never said it.
But she also floated the idea that they were guilty. He said,
Who cares about these innocent kids? You know, that kind of
thing. She said, You're gonna lead with two innocent people,
which is a br Laurier. I was spent more from her, because she
said that she went to law school. So I think there should
be the first thing in being a lawyer. But that goes to show
you these people don't care anything about law and justice
mean, they don't care about law. They care about justice. And as
we said that justice is not what they what we term it's also with
equity,
with respect to lawyers, people who have studied law and and
it's easy for people to hate lawyers, which but I don't I
have many of my friends are lawyers. But the it's like
you're blessed. Many of my friends are black. And many of
my friends are lawyers. I'm so blessed. Yes. No, but if you
look at who's on television, if you look at who's in Congress
now that's changing is a hell. Just a heck of a lot of lawyers.
Almost prerequisite almost. Yeah, yeah. You have to study
law. And and I'm always amazed that Fox Can I always find the
hot looking lawyers. That's that's the thing that always
amazes me. But yeah, is you have to have a law degree and that
it's like just you're just learning. But you know, some
special language and you know, some certain certain things by
heart and you understand some principles, and then you're good
to go. You're in a whole different atmosphere, a whole
different stratosphere.
Where the problem with law is you should be no, whatever the
facts say. But, like with journalism that we're seeing,
everything becomes opinion, exact. Now, it's about a period
and it's what we saw Nancy Grace, it was about opinion. Um,
so yeah, so they got the the guys got off, I guess this would
be a good time to get some of the details of the case before
we move forward. Okay, just to let you know what we're always
hearing on the ground because I was hearing this from local
news. Just wake up in the morning, get ready for work. And
this is the news story that we kind of heard. And it was
basically when it first hit. It was that she was raped by 20
lacrosse players, right. That was the rumor on the street. I
mean, that I'm just giving you what was going around town that
she was raped, raped by 20 lacrosse players, including a
broom handle. Um, so everything was in Since and inflamed Wow,
but that wasn't reported on the radio that was just the word on
the street.
Well it was kind of alluded to because there's some there's
some facts to each individual thing I pointed out because her
original claim was that she was attacked by 20 guys and then she
bought it down to three and there was some kind of
altercation between her and she was another stripper there with
her behind just okay let me back it up a little bit just common
assume nobody knows everything No, sir. So alright, so what
happened was the lacrosse players wanted to have a party.
They caught up a escort service order to white strippers, and
they got a black and a half, you know, an a black and half black.
So I mean, that kind of ruined their party, because they were
looking for, you know, white girls. So the black girls come
there, Miss Mangum, the one that gives a be an accuser. She's
high and drunk when she shows up. There's a confrontation
between her and the players and then the other stripper and the
players about penis size and they're being too small, that
kind of thing and one of the players brandishes a broomstick
and suggest that he'll use it as its next toy. So that's how the
broom came into the room. If somebody is telling you this is
how I'm cuz it was very inflamed and dark, very inflamed to the
point.
The police received a 911 call from a woman complaining that
white men gathered outside the home where the party took place
had called her racial slurs and threatened to sodomized her with
a broomstick.
Right but the rumor was that she was sodomized with a broomstick
and attacked by 20 men yeah so you imagine that hitting the
ground you know like a lock locking go halfway around the
world before the truth now in some kind of thing choose
2006 mo what was what was your communications network with your
friends if
we had we had internet but we no email there anything? Was really
phone call. Was
it MySpace?
Next to chirps.
Next tail chirps.
Yeah, like the next. walkie talkies. That was a that was a
big thing.
No,
you really have those.
Yeah, that was the that was the thing. That was the real shirt.
Yes. That was the theme thing. Yeah.
Oh, man. What now? Do they have range? Or do they talk to? They
talk to the network, didn't they?
Yeah, it was you talk to the network. It just came through as
like a walkie talkie shirt.
And who could you talk to?
Anybody else that they had next to? No, I'm just kidding. I'm
dating myself.
I'd forgotten all about this man.
Oh, yeah. That was that was the that was the that was the you
know, to LCG mix to
goodness. That's that's yes to funny, man. I love that.
So now another thing that came out was the MC fat and email and
this was a couple of hours at the party and it Robert fat and
a member of the lacrosse team sent an email to other plants
and he plans to have a go. Strip. Oh, yes. Rashad say that.
That was the that was a status symbol thing that was like the
iPhone before the iPhone.
Yeah, exactly. So Okay. All right. I got you know.
Yeah. So there was an email that was sent around. And it was
saying that to whom it may concern not tomorrow night after
tonight's show. I'll decide to have some strippers over to
eating See, I think that's the address. wherever their address
was all welcome. However, there will be no nudity. I plan on
killing their bitches or see my language as soon as they walk in
and proceeding to cut their skin off. Wow, excuse my language
here coming in my do issue spandex call and massage arch
tak to the team members, please respond. So that that was a
reference to American Psycho, I believe. But the DA took it into
context took it serious threat. Right. So they invited but they
weren't. They wanted white girls before email was even sent out.
So that's the weird thing, but they made it seem like this is a
modern day, not Klan rally. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was it was a it
was a huge thing. But the funny thing was, is no, none of that
stablishment machine, as you will say like the NAACP, anybody
really touched this. Because dude has do we have power we're
gonna get we'll go ahead and get to some of that. But before we
do, they had to go to the beat Team of race hustlers. And this
was a guy named Mike leet shabads of the new Black Panther
Party, not the new new Black Panther Party, but the newest
generation at that time. And he's on with Michelle Malkin
from Fox News and this is after the charges have been dismissed.
I apologize that we're going out of order. But it'll make sense
in a minute, but here they are their exchange.
In the factor follow up segment tonight. As you may know, the
Attorney General of North Carolina has dropped all charges
against three Duke lacrosse players who were accused of
rape, sexual assault and kidnapping last spring. When
that happened, the new Black Panther Party descended on the
Duke campus demanding justice.
We will be here from gavel to gavel to when the final jury
verdict is read. And we demand and are pursuing that this jury
verdict come back. Guilty. Gets the accused. It should come
back. What is it come back? What do you find? The two defendants
the three defendants in this case.
When a case started to fall apart, Malik Shabazz, the
General Counsel of the Panthers entered the no spin zone.
But I never said they were guilty of rape. I said they were
guilty. And I still stand. Say that this case is a strong case
for sexual assault, kidnapping charges that can and probably
will lead these young men leave these young man behind prison
walls and in
cases drop will indicate to you this society is racist.
It will be proved to me that Mike Nifong doesn't know what
he's doing. Wow,
I love that. No, no, I didn't say guilty of rape. Dude guilty
of being white. You know, they were just guilty, man.
Now, are you seeing similarities now to last show?
Yeah. What's interesting is that this is this is happening on Fox
News at the time with Bill O'Reilly.
Yeah, it's that he's playing a roller Tucker. Yeah, it is
definitely like a, you know, a repeat of history. But
history or just repeat of the act.
When the cat the council, I mean, the council blueprint,
this is mercy. The only difference was this was pre
social media, right? And pre all that you know, is take away your
next tell chirp, right, so you can get the information. And
this is kind of where Black Lives Matter was kind of birthed
out of the fact that you had to depend on militia bands to get
the Black Panther Party to show up. I mean, they couldn't make
it and get boots on the ground or get people to show up as
easily as they could Black Lives Matter when they came through
with the whole social media apparatus that can mobilize
people. This could have been very bad if it was then. I mean,
if social media was around in like it is even what, two three
years later?
Yeah, it was just about well, Twitter was coming coming in
around this time. It was or Facebook, at least for sure.
Right. So I mean, just saying this is this, this is how it
used to work. And this is why like people like Al Sharpton
were so valuable then, because he would get these kind of guys
on the phone like, hey, we need boots, you know, down in a Yeah,
he
could mobilize his action network. Right.
So let's go ahead and listen to the second part of this.
Knockout.
Mr. shabam joins us from Washington. Good evening. What
do you have to say for yourself? Now, Mr. Shabazz,
I have to say that I am disappointed in the terrible
performance of magnifico, that the victim who the CIM the
accuser, in this case, is a real victim here. And I still believe
that something criminally went wrong in that house. And this
case was bought was botched by prosecutors in this case. So I
will not apologize. And I will not apologize in my defense of
black women who have been raped and abused by white men. Over
1,600,000 Black women have been sexually assaulted and raped by
white men since we came here on slave ships. None of them have
been prosecuted. I will not apologize for defending black
women.
You're not going to apologize to the Duke lacrosse team that you
smeared that you convicted? Didn't you hear the North
Carolina Attorney General's statement? Didn't you hear that?
That they that they're the evidence is that there was no
attack? What exactly
are that? I didn't hear that. I'm a criminal defense attorney.
Many clients that I've had the cases have been dropped against
them. But I can't say that nothing went wrong. What I hear
is political pressure that a powerful white university with
powerful rich white defendants. Woman The case has been thrown
out but me phone didn't interview the witness and charge
the case properly. Me phone nine didn't give a exculpatory
evidence to the defense. It is Nifong, who bites This case, and
all women who will bring sexual assault charges in the future
are adversely affected by this.
Wow, that's so similar with the blaming the lame ass. Lawyers
Hold on a second. How, what is this? Over 1 million black women
have been raped by white men since the beginning of the
country. What is this all about? Is this a number,
Dr. plantation? I know rapes. But I don't know where he got
that number from, I don't know.
How do you get a number?
I mean, who knows what the number is. But it rolls off the
tongue. It's a good push back. He knew he was wrong. He knew
that had no case. And he got duped. He got got I mean that
that's all it is to it. And, um, as you heard him say Nikon is at
the center of this, which nightfall has some very ulterior
motives for pushing this case and let it go as far as he is.
But he did bring up one great point. These are powerful white
boys, young men from powerful families, and they're backed by
one of the biggest powers. I mean, you can't even imagine how
powerful Duke is. Seriously. Um, the only thing I could equate it
to I have a clip here for show 66 Go back and make Duke has the
same relationship with DERM that John Hopkins has with Baltimore.
Yes. Okay.
Let's get to this clip. And that takes me to my next question.
The relationship between Hopkins and the local black residents in
East Baltimore. You know, you talk about and the relationship
of medical institutions in general, you talk about, from
doctors to Robin graves. He have a section a book about that,
which is really fascinating. You talk about how Hopkins was known
as the plantation. And, you know, there's also people like
Henrietta Lacks who, whose genetic material was harvested
by Hopkins without consent as well.
That's true. And so one of the Hopkins presidents once said
that Hopkins is a is not a good neighbor. And all this has come
to play in East Baltimore for people remember the days when a
1200 the home so 1200 black people were demolished in order
for Hopkins to construct a dormitory housing 205, POCs and
doctors. So there's lots of distrust towards the Hopkins and
in the recent controversies that we all talk about. All this has
come to play everything that Hopkins has done in the past all
its crimes have have been mentioned to Henrietta Lacks
experiments with lead paint all kinds of stuff.
Yeah, fine bunch of people.
So as the plantation I mean, in I don't mean in a disrespectful
way. But what I mean, is they, they generate so much jobs and
money and but also
James Buchanan, who established Duke, he had tobacco
plantations,
that I mean, yeah, that's where it comes out. But even when
slavery ended, it was the same mentality sure that you had to
either work at Duke or work at one of the, you know,
the American way Mo, what are you complaining about? America?
Yeah, the Americans, but the weird thing is, is that it's you
have this large number of black people. Because dharma at one
point was like, 5050. Yeah. So it's this weird relationship
between you have a large number of black people but they're
dependent upon
all the white people in the in the powerful center of the
it's really one family, it's the Duke, the Duke Family, because
we're gonna get into the Duke history and how power I don't.
When people you make a dumb ask this question, before we get
into that, when you think of Duke, what do you hear when you
think,
Okay, I'm glad you asked me that. Because I was I was
actually going to ask you why. When we think of top
universities, is Duke rarely mentioned. It's always Stanford.
It's Harvard at Yale. Why is Duke rarely mentioned? I'm not
quite sure why and Now, mind you, I didn't really go through
the to the US school system. I went to Salem College, West
Virginia just for three months. It was not for me, so I don't
understand the affinity even with university. I although I
comprehend it. I don't know I mean, I'm looking at Duke right
now. I'm going Holy crap. 50 Rhodes Scholars amongst alumni.
This is a very powerful entity. This is a this is a powerful
group of people and I don't know why it's never mentioned.
amongst all the other Ivy League elite schools.
They they're Ivy League but not an IV, you know, in a weird way
because it's in the South. That's one thing. Um, and it's
the way that family set it up to be that way. Even though it's
very high level of school I mean institute of higher learning
they have of their, their preppy, but they're humble at
the same time. It's the wisdom, the founders that made it this
way. So I want to get into some history but you only mentioned
the university. These entered this, this family was in use in
tobacco, which tobacco it was like the lifeblood of North
Carolina. Yeah, but they got into other things as well. And
this is how they willed it so much power, the Duke Family. So
what I have now is the Duke Family history with Robert
Durden, which he is the universe. You do University
emeritus professor, and author of numerous books on Mr. Duke,
the Dukes marched to the their own drummer, they were
independent minded people. And one of the best in the early
examples of that is right after the Civil War, when the
Republican Party first comes into North Carolina, not existed
anywhere in the South before the Civil War, but it comes into
this as part of reconstruction after the Civil War. Washington
dude became a Republican. And that was not a country club sort
of thing to do. It was not a stylish thing to do at all,
because in the asset, the white majority in Washington DC was
one of our other white Republicans. They were known as
scallywags. You know, the carpetbaggers were the northern
born, Republicans who came south with the Republican Party in the
South after the Civil War country consisted of the great
majority of the African Americans got the vote. Most of
the blacks became Republicans. carpetbaggers and scallywags.
Washington, it became a lifelong Republican and so did Ben and
book later two books idea of the greatest president the nation
ever had was William McKinley. He had this huge statue of
Kinley on his estate in New Jersey. I think dollars later
gave it to some little town in Ohio. But they weren't afraid to
be different.
Think that kind of answers your question?
Yeah, this is great. I had no idea about the Duke Family is
fantastic.
So they were lifelong Republican, they know, post
Civil War, which that made North Carolina that was a very
unpopular thing, considering, you know, the Dixiecrats and
that kind of thing, but they understood I believe, that they
still had a lot of black labor and to have good relations with
that black labor force. You know, they had to have certain
appearances. Sure. Um, but it's weird because there are Southern
family. But then you have all these northerners that will come
out of New York, New York, New Jersey area to come up the Yeah,
that makes up the student body of do. So I can say this is
weird microcosm. There are there's a very interesting city
and just the makeup of it, and you know, the who wields the
power. But definitely Duke is the I say I use this don't use
as disrespectful, especially to the people that work at Duke
when I say it's the plantation, but it's that mentality of
that's the single source of work.
It's the same my buddy Dave is in Birmingham, Alabama and the
University of Alabama same thing everyone's worked for University
of Alabama is huge research money, huge government money. I
mean, it's crazy. It's just you know, they control everything.
Yeah, cuz you have the school. You have the tobacco or mean,
which tobacco was kind of dead right now. But at the time, like
when this was being created, a lot of black men weren't in
those tobacco factories in tobacco warehouses and man made
a good living. I don't know I mean, they made a very good
living for yourself and for the skills they had, but they had
even more power than that. And we can get and so on the part
two
in 1896 I think it was Washington to the new president
of Trinity College. Gilgo personal Kilgore that he would
give Trinity $100,000 which was a lot of money then. If Trinity
would admit women on an equal footing with men will kill go
and the trustees of the Trinity said we gift to have women to
have women so long before Charlottesville, a Chapel Hill
smell the coffee Trinity College is admitting women on equal
footing with men. Now they didn't have the facilities for
them and they wouldn't until later on, when the woman's
college comes into existence, it's part of Duke University.
But Trinity began to admit women quite early. One of the earliest
interest of the family outside of Durham was the Oxford orphans
asylum, which is still up in Oxford, North Carolina, PA,
Washington do PA and Ben would get on the early morning
training back in the days when we have a lot of train service,
and right up to Office spend the day that often is you see what
they needed, and then see that they got what they can give to
help the orphanage. So that later portion of the childcare
section of the damage grew out of a pattern of family
involvement.
Family families that huge it's gonna be a huge component of the
show, and the lack of family and what the power of family is, but
this made the dupes benevolent, right, they were giving money
away creating hospitals, this kind of thing, letting women's
women go to the college on equal footing. They were like they're
very forward thinking and benevolent, but at the same
time, it was still that plantation mentality and and be
elitism to go with it. So
it's kind of like the company store, right?
What do you mean by that?
Well, it's like if the university runs everything, and
then all of all commerce, everything around that is tied
to it. So you everyone works for it one way or the other. And
they can really move people, even in out of their homes, I
would say,
yeah. And then I guess we can go and get to the third clip now,
because the hospital and the tobacco was one no great source
of money. But it's this new business they got in really gave
them power
from a very early period. But Washington do. And then Ben and
Brooke, gave money to the Methodist Church in particular
to poor Methodist churches and to Methodist preachers. So that
portion of the endowment grew out of the family pattern, now
used to fudge a bit used to slide over this, argue that the
Dukes business partner, George Watts gave Watts hospital to the
white people of Durham in the 1890s, with induced contributed
to that, and I'm sure Ben Duke said on the board of trustees
and so forth. And then in the early years of the 20th century,
1901 or two, Ben and Buck gave the money for a hospital for the
African Americans in their own the Lincoln Hospital. So as I
say, I used to fudgy and say, well, the hospital business was
unnatural. And that was an error because the Dukes were not
really very much involved in health care. The health care
portion of the Duke endeavor is primarily but Dukes original
contribution or his singular contribution to the whole
endowment pattern. That business of helping communities build
nonprofit community hospitals, that was that was booked Dukes
vision would help those communities who were willing to
help themselves they had to do some digging themselves for
money. And then the data would move in and help them.
So they were they were ingrain themselves in everything that
was going on in the sound going on over there. Let me throw some
money at it. So it was kind of hard to escape the reach of that
you got to keep everybody healthy and everybody working.
That's how it works. Yeah.
So say all it is, um, they still have issues with the same issues
that are on a similar issue that John Hopkins Johns Hopkins ran
into with their where their hospital ran. So just just as a
little clarity. My first daughter was born and Duke
Hospital. All right, so so this is like I said, this is it's a
weird thing because the tension is always there with do and like
the students and they share proximity with poor
neighborhoods. You mean you have wall town and several other
surrounding like North San poor neighborhoods that are just
basically divided by a wall stone wall that goes around the
campus. That's a short wall, but still it's like, this is Campus.
This is not campus. And if there was a harmony there, um, or was
I'm not gonna live there now. So gentrification is really kicked
in At similar to what we've seen in the John Hopkins clip, but
it's just like saying it's just this weird. You know, it's just
castle in the middle of town, and it's representative of the
end grain power of this old money. And I think people get
caught reason. Another reason I want to bring this up is to show
is, I think people get caught up in the new money in the text
thing, right? Forget about all of these really old established
product. Yeah. Infrastructure. Literally, I
think you were looking into the matt Gill or something. What was
that thought
the cargo family? That's another way Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness.
Oh, that some fun asked people. Yeah, so
the Dukes are the same way. As this is the the tech money is
cool. But when you have an endowment,
yo, yeah. And it's even better than that. You don't hear about
the Cargill family. No, you hear about Bill Gates with his fake
meat. Right, that's by design. Bill Gates is just, you know, a
talking head for the Cargill family. So I imagine with Duke
it's exactly the same.
It's the endowment. It's the, you know, we never hear about
the family or anything. It's just but this money is still
there. And it's power still there. Yeah. And for a DA like
knife on the thing. You're gonna take some of their boys and
railroad him. He was a fool to think this. Uh huh. This is who
you're going. I mean, you're going against the whole school
to produce his lawyers. I mean, it was a fool. It was a fool's
errand. I don't know what he was thinking. Unless it could have
been a coup. That like I said, the the student mean, extremely
faculty at the college. We're all all for it. For railroad
knees. These are lacrosse players. But before we get into
that, I want to get into like a little bit of the medical
history. And this is kind of more reflective for me. And we
were talking about why why black people don't really go to the
hospital or not. There's that thing. Yeah. This is going to
answer some of that into more detail. So I guess we can go
ahead and get to 30. Before we start, this is Dr. Damon Twitty
Tweety, excuse me, and he's the author of Batman the white coat.
And this is a, I believe, PBS. And he examines racial
disparities in medicine, both patient and medical
professionals. So this will give me the context even at Duke how
progressive it is, he worked to do and this is something that
he's experienced that he witnessed. Being Black
can be bad for your health. It's a lesson Damon tweedy writes in
his new book, black man in a white coat, a doctor's
reflection on race and medicine, that he learned time and again,
in his own life and in as many years as a doctor. tweedy is a
psychiatrist at Duke University, where he also attended medical
school and welcome to you. So this you start with this big
subject? Is that what started it for you that you wanted to write
about?
Yeah, so you know, raises this really highly charged political
subject that we have in our society, obviously. But for me,
this is a very personal story. This is really kind of about my
experience in my journey. All too often in medical school, you
learn about health problems in the black community, you learned
you hear this diseases, it's more common than then this is
always more common in black people. But you didn't really
hear why it wasn't this x question, why was a huge issue
for me. It was also a big question about how my experience
as a young black man was different than the experiences
of other people in my class. Well, that comes
through because you also saying that, as a young doctor, in
training, you're saying constantly hearing about the
medical frailties of black people picked up the scab of
your insecurity, you did not set out thinking about medicine and
race.
No, I was actually attracted to medicine there was sort of like
this. It was almost like a post racial kind of mindset, I had
medicine to me how this appeal of being objective, you know,
formulas, equations, and it was really, that was appeal. So much
of society is messy. And life is messy as a black person. So this
was appeal, that it could be objective. And then when I got
to medical school, I kind of got a rude awakening that it wasn't.
Oh, okay. This is also very relevant to today. But of
course, we know that the Rona kills black people because of
their skin.
If you will listen to the narrative, but they don't never
tell you why. Or they're giving you any explanation. It's just
that it kills black people. Yeah. At a higher rate, but
there's no there's no discussion. And that's because
they is the cost of the narrative. Right. And he got
into medicine because it's being objective. Um, surprise,
surprise. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's a business. So and
I say, even at school, like do this, um, was very progressive,
as you heard from their family and the creation of the whole
endowment and what they try to do, it was still these
opportunities for it to be right in for it to be racism, and let
me let me do a scene is racist. I mean, it's almost anonymous
when you hear do well
You can do this do color,
I'll just say I didn't want to lead you. But that's great
marketing that his last name is Duke, because it's baked in
racism and do is baked in to it, um, until they like the name and
the whole business. And I think they tried to the endowment
tries to, you know, get away from this. But these kind of
situation right here made it worse for them. And that's why
you're going to see this kind of attack. So, but I want to get
into this Dr. Store, because it's another topic, I want to
bring up this personal to me. So let's get into number 14,
when you refer to your insecurities. What do you mean?
Yeah,
I'm come from Prince George's County, Maryland. It was an all
black neighborhood that I grew up in just outside of
Washington, DC. And I went to a state college and I got to Duke,
Duke, fancy private school, a lot of my classmates had parents
who were doctors. And so I was willing to care about that. And
as a black person, there's always a sort of thing about is
affirmative action part of why you're here. And do you really
belong. And so I was grappling with all those things, when I
first got to medical school
to write about a number of incidents that you witnessed in
which you saw white doctors, unaware of the different ways
that they were treating black patients, how much in the end,
did you conclude that race does play a factor in the doctor's
room, in the hospital,
it plays a big factor, and often in ways that the doctor and the
patient may not even be aware of. And so it's a there are
several examples I talked about in the book. And there's one
example particularly so that comes to mind off the top of my
head. This was a time when I was going to the clinic myself as a
patient. So I'm coming from home and I'm had injured my knee a
few days earlier. And I'm dressing very casually
sweatpants and sweatshirt, and I come into the exam room with the
doctor. And he comes in and he never looks at me, he just looks
at my knee and sort of has me stand up and down. And then says
your cane count is going to shuttle me away. And being a
doctor, I knew that there was more that could be done or
should have been done. And so I mentioned to him that I'm a
doctor. And then suddenly he looks at me and his eyes kind of
light up and he looks at my knee, he starts to talk to me.
And so he really engages in a sort of doctor patient exchange
the way that it should have been from the beginning. And it was a
really vivid illustration of how differently you know, I can
perceive, you know, one hand, I could just be a young black man
who's off the street somewhere and who knows what negative
assumptions he may have had, because he didn't engage with me
at all. And once he realizes I'm a doctor, it was like a totally
different experience. And so I think that really illustrates
how definitely things can play out in in exam.
This is interesting, this, this book, I would be interested in
black man in a white coat. Hmm. Have you read it?
No, I haven't. I've watched several of his hour long.
Book, he got the YouTube, right.
You're saying he's using the best parts of the book. But it's
two things he brought up. One is the, um, am I here? Because I'm
a token? Affirmative Action kind of higher? I think they call
them diversity hires now. Oh, yeah. It's the thing called
imposter syndrome. I don't know if you heard about it or not.
And I plan on doing a bigger show on it. But I want to get
into it now just as this because he brought it up. Imposter
syndrome is am I here? Because of you know, I'm a token or our
diversity hire?
Yes. When you feel like you're an imposter. Right? Which can
also can, it can also happen when you land a job and you're
faking it till you make it and you really don't know what the
hell you're doing.
True, but I think the true sense of it is that you are qualified
but you still never feel out that you've Okay, agree totally,
that you're you belong, I think next keyword and there are
people that said that you were Yeah, that you are qualified,
because this is the double edged sword of affirmative action is
that, yeah, it gets people in the door. But when you get a man
with lower standards, then people are going to assume you
were recipient, right of that lower standard. And I actually
did a live on this a little while back saying so people want
to check it out. Um, but yes, I thought that was one thing. And
then the way that daughter saw him once he gave him his
credentials, it didn't change the fact that he's black. So
it's not it's not a point about black or white in this sense.
Because you heard where Nancy Grace was coming from, she's a
white woman. But the fact she grew up on a dirt road, you
know, she looked at Duke a certain way, even though she's
white and they're white. Sure. Um, that's class and that's
right. That's the main point. And I want to point out that
here, once the guy Oh, you're one of us. You're saying your
you got a white coat today and I'll treat you like a human. And
that's that thing of this. You know, us and them kind of
mentality that ozone, right? But in this, okay. But it in this
case is not racial, it's more of he looked like a poor kid off
the street or is a poor black kid off the street. It's the
assumption that you're poor. I mean, this is where the racial
wealth gap falls into it. The fact that so many black people
are poor. You were saying as soon as you get the association,
I got it. Right. It's the same thing with affirmative action.
So many people, do
you happen to know numbers? Do you happen to know numbers? How
many what percentage of black Americans are poor? Do you
happen to know? Ah,
what do you say poor? What do you mean? Like the poverty line?
Oh,
the poverty line? Yeah, well, you
will have I will say, I wouldn't use that I will look at medium
income. Okay. And, and they pointed out in a clip with Nancy
Grace, she was like, all their median income is
100,000 250,000. And then we got to, you know, people from DERM
or black, you know, saying it would be significantly lower. So
median income is significantly lower. I don't have the numbers
right offhand. But it's definitely lower. And that's the
whole racial wealth gap. thing, and it's real, because you know,
when you don't have right, but
just just just my point is, people who live in Durham,
around Durham are going to be predominantly median income,
because all the money is is centered in that in that power
center, and everyone else is just serving it.
Right? I mean, I mean, you don't have any, you don't have
generational wealth just passed down that kind of thing. I mean,
it's the institutional problems. And if I was saying like, things
like atonement, aka reparations are needed, because then we can
get okay, we can move on. Exactly, it solves the problem.
Okay. Here we, we know, one group had a head start. In no a,
in the race called America, you know, um, we didn't get out the,
you know, the start block as fast as other groups have. And
then it's like, okay, I'm running fast, just as fast as
you are even fast, when you put your head start are so much
bigger. I can never catch up. I mean, it's not gonna happen. Now
you can. You, it'd be hard for you have a black Duke Family,
you understand? I'm saying, like, with the aspects of
tobacco when, you know, the slave labor and those kinds of
things, the institutions, that that's kind of hard to recreate,
when you don't have know when you're still playing in the
game,
right? The only way to start with generational wealth, where
there's two ways one is three ways. One is the phony baloney
stock market. I'm not sure how much longer you can actually do
that. With that with that, but along with that comes high tech,
big tech Silicon Valley. And that my personal favorite
Bitcoin, but that may be for a different episode.
What that is that they know. But if you have 1000, to put it, I
have 1000, you have 10,000 100,000. Even though
we're both making money on Bitcoin, it'll always be a
disparity there. And that's what you're seeing play out with this
whole? I didn't expect to go here. But that's what you're
seeing it play out with a whole inflation thing.
Hold on a second. A second. I don't come from generational
wealth, per se. I mean, at least none, not where I can not not
the direct part. I mean, I literally had to pay taxes, my
mom and when they when they both passed away. So it's an it might
have been there, but someone screwed up along the way. So I'm
just saying that in Bitcoin, you and I could theoretically be
kind of starting at the same spot at the same point.
True. Well, I'm saying is for the institutions of the top of
the when you look at the top of the I understand,
but I'm just saying, Yeah, I'm just saying you're correct. That
will never get fixed. We'll never beyond atonement. Moving
forward. Each I'm just saying there's an opportunity to equal
for everybody.
Oh, yeah. And there's always been opportunities for equal and
I want to point that out and for him,
but also but also to start new new generational wealth that may
be worth something in six generations from now.
Right, but with him, he says that when he went to school, his
classmates parents were doctors. Is there a second generation in
so that's, like I said, That's the hard problem. And all the
reason why I'm bringing all this up is all this plays out into.
How do I look to the public? Right, those rich white kids
that have silver spoon in their mouth, you know, they deserve to
get we need equity.
I guess what I'm saying Is it just a knee jerk reaction?
Because I'm really concerned? I'm concerned about Mike, my
kids, your kids. I guess what I'm saying is, while we're
figuring it out, and while we're moving forward with trying to
normalize inter race relations in America, really Americans
with America's because it goes beyond race these days. I'm just
saying, let's not forget to look at some of the opportunities we
can take advantage of now.
And that's the point I'm making, that I'm for him to be a doctor,
let you know that the opportunities, they're just like
this opportunity to make money now for everybody. Yeah. And
that's the point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't we
shouldn't think Oh, like this doom and gloom mentality like we
would never be able to get out of poverty. Look at look at
Nancy Grace, she was eating dirt from a dirt road. Millionaire.
Right. And that's the point. That's the point right there.
But that's goes to show you that the mental shackles are the real
problem. This is why they remain they remain Yeah. And this is
why attack victim victimization, victimhood in the mind, these
kinds of things, that's the real racism here is, you know,
thinking that the opportunity's not there, right, if you know,
it's kind of like the gloves been taken off the jar, if you
bump your head in the lid, enough times, usually I always
delete steal their
horse, people keep telling you, there's a lid there, there's a
lid there, there's a lid there, which cracked
critical race theory, which that plays into all of these, like I
say, all, all of this plays into it. And this all manifests
itself out onto this trial when we get to it. I know people I
know, we're gonna talk about the trial, but we have to set it up
in this sense. So
no, people are people, not people sitting there drinking a
glass of wine. They're maybe smoking something, they're
chill. They're sitting with their loved one going yeah, let
it go mo roll it out slow.
Alright, so let's go ahead and get number 15
became a psychiatrist.
Yes, my question. I never thought when I went to medical
school that I would become common psychiatry. But as I got
into, towards the end of medical school, I took this one rotation
just on a flyer and I really enjoyed it. And the patients,
told my supervisors that I had a way with relaxing people and
getting them to talk to me, and I had a way of connecting with
people. And so that really made me think about psychiatry,
there's also this huge issue as an African American, in the
mental health arena, half black community is really a big deal,
because often black people will be resistant to mental health
care or feel like it's something that's not for them. And there's
this huge sort of stigma that we that we often deal with. So as a
psychiatrist, I've often been one of the only few black
psychiatrist. And so there's a huge deal there as well.
Well, this is important that you've written a lot about the
dearth of black doctors generally. And you're pointing
that is one of the important factors of why blacks fare so,
so poorly in the medical system. Why? Why is it important to have
more black doctors?
Yeah, so African Americans make up about 13% of the population,
but about 4% of physicians. And it's like, you know, half a
psychiatrist about the same, really low numbers. And what you
often see is that there's this issue of the patients don't
trust the healthcare system, because there's been a bad
history of things that have happened in the past. And so
often, as a black Doctor, I'm there to help sort of be a
translator in a way.
So that's why we need more black doctors. At the same time, I saw
recently, Association of American Medical Colleges, a new
report that applications from African American men have
declined. Yes, in 1978 to recently,
right. Yes, so then the numbers for black women have actually
increased during that time. But I think there's this bigger
issue about the way society from the very top down kind of sets
that limits the X the horizons and the expectations of what
African American men can be. And I think they really filters down
they start from the top and the filters down to the communities.
Wow, all these things I hadn't considered we've yet you know,
you and I never talk about mental health type stuff. I
mean, we I think we're always talking about our own mental
health. You know, as as men, uh, that's, that's, that's very
interesting. And meanwhile, black America's west, you just
be going like to do dumb shit. Stop it. Don't Don't do that.
Don't go no, no, no.
What part?
Don't take don't take the vaccine.
That, um, but there are some things that we do ignore. I
mean, it's just common sense health decisions. Oh, yes.
Of the whole system,
right. The dangers of it's like, oh, Tuskegee, they said we're
saying, we fill in the blank and it's like, well, I'm gonna eat
the sugar. What not, there's no it's like, Well, that'll kill
you. Or I'm gonna eat the salt. What do they know? Right?
It was really impactful for me is is how you and your younger
of course, but how you were talking on the live about Magic
Johnson and when you found out that the Magic Johnson had AIDS,
and what an impact that hit it had on you Yes, as a young man,
how old were you then?
What was that? 9293 1213 years old? Yeah.
Yeah. And, but I think also for for, and I'm just gonna use it
for your community. I'm sure that was really like, holy crap.
And that's just another part of it. Just that's just another
notch in this whole distrust of everything. And in this
pandemic, where it is all Yeah, black and brown people are
disproportionately dying. It's like, holy crap, and that just
keep pushing the shit out. No wonder.
It's not it's not good to live in a state of paranoia, or all
the time, or skepticism all the time that lends to mental health
problems. You have to double and triple think things like, Okay,
what's the double cross? What could be a triple cross? Where
it could be a quadruple cross? You know, that kind of thing.
And
that's actually how I live all the time. I'm always thinking,
what kind of scam is this? Alright, maybe it's someone
else's scamming the scammer.
And this is how it is trickled over into. This is the point of
the show. When these guys called those escorts up there, we're
living in the world. We're like, oh, we can man we can do what we
want to do. You know, I mean, escorts wedding actually legal
then. I was sure there was kind of some kind of rules but like
real smoothes, it wasn't where do what kids do, we can do
whatever we want to do. I mean, that's the mentality of it. As
college students should kind of feel that way. Right. You're
young, you're saying you should have fun, that kind of thing.
But for me and mine and be like, Oh, well, you know, this could
go wrong. And that could go wrong. And that could go wrong.
You know what, let's just stay at home, that kind of thing. So
I've told
you the story. I told you a story about the basketball team
when I was at Salem College. No, you didn't. And we were in
Salem, and clarksburg was out like 40 minutes down the road,
that's where the McDonald's was. And I had a car. I had a Chevy
Nova, straight six, Chevy Nova, and my roommate, Ty, who was
black, so and he would hang out with the bad with the basketball
team. They're like, oh, so let's get to it. Let's get curry to
drive us. We'll go to McDonald's. Okay. And so I got
six black guys in the car. We're driving down the highway in West
Virginia, and I'm doing like 65 and they're in the back on yo,
yo, yo, yo, cuz your cars slow down, cuz you're cool. You're
cool blood. You're cool. You're cool. I'm like, What, man? I'm
just cruising. And I didn't and Only now do I think about it and
go, Oh, yeah, no kidding.
I was calculation in their head is like
I came from Amsterdam, right? I had no cons, I had no context.
And when the
calculations go through their hand back six of us back over,
get scared to share with them like a Oh, go just give us
something on them. You know, just give us something you know,
that that's a really nice, they're paranor you like a real
time calculation. Yeah,
and these guys were from South Chino from, like, Trenton and,
you know, all east coast. And so they were like me, you know,
middle class. But they knew it was up and they they knew what
West Virginia could be a little different culturally. But Only
now do I realize? Because I was just oblivious. Interesting.
Okay.
And I'm just pointing it out there. Before and this time you
didn't you are young white men and how to do these
calculations. But now fast forward 15 years? Oh, yeah, you
really got to think about I can't say that or how that
is? Yeah, for most people. Now I've created a life and a job in
an environment where I can literally speak whatever the
hell I want to say all the time. And not have to worry about
losing my job. Well, I mean, I can worry value can drop them if
I mess it up. But that violated some horrible norms. But for
most people, it's just gotten progressively worse, especially
in the office environment or in the work environment, the
workplace.
And this was their first iteration of like said the woke
culture showing his head and the cancel cannon. We got to burn
Duke burn Duke. That's the point. So so now I saw I was
very connected to do and the reason why is this next two
clips is from my former pastor, ah wishes named another doctor,
not the William Turner and I think he was over the School of
Divinity at Duke and he was also our pastor, which mount level
Baptist Church in Durham, North Carolina. And it was you know,
it was a very powerful thing to have, you know, a doctor a PhD,
a legit PhD, not one of these Bible College cons, not not
them, but it there's There's a just to show you there's a
double standard there. It's like, Where'd you get your PhD
from? I'll do all okay. You're a real doctor. Yeah, not like a
doctor. That kind of thing, right? You know. So. So, here,
he had his sermon called the beloved, the beloved, okay,
beloved, and unloving chaos. So he kind of talks about their
environment of do when he went there, and he kind of had to be
in like the 60s and 70s, when he was there, um, as a student, and
he gives that kind of he gives a perception of Duke. And this is
kind of like teaching that I can set up under, as a young kid,
instead of saying, still teenage years.
What are the consequences of knowing yourself as loved and
believing that everyone else is beloved, just like you then set
that reality over against the one of knowing that you are
beloved. And seeing those who around you treated like they are
not the love even more, to see them abused, treated like they
are despised objects, to, for the convenience of others. What
we know about being beloved, was set alongside what we saw. And
it produced great contradiction and tension 50 years ago, right
here on this campus, those of us coming from our own discrete
privileges. were forced to acknowledge what they were. It
blew my mind to find out that the men on this campus, the West
Campus, receive maid service. That is a woman, a person, a
human being, would come behind us and pick apart pajamas and
anything else we left when we came back or was set in place.
So that's Dr. William William C. Turner, of Duke University and
mount lube Baptist Church. I don't know if he's still there
now or not? Yes, yeah.
I was just looking at their website.
I mean, he, I mean, I was, what 19 years old, he does the sermon
on there,
he does a sermon seated, I can see a little less, he has to sit
down dirt and doing the sermon. So he Oh, yeah.
So what I'm going to show you that when you grow up in this
kind of environment where your pastor is a PhD from Duke, um,
you have several other people in the congregation from Duke, and
other universities. You want a music minister, his daughter was
like, a super genius. And she went on to go to MIT. It was it
gave us the perception, like anything was possible. Sure. So
I'm just showing you how, even in an environment that he was
saying, like when he went to do the maybes, were seen as
objects, right? But he was, he was loved. Right? Right. He's
like, Okay, here's a, you know, black super student, we can love
him. But then the main, she's this object. And it's this
complex, creative contradiction that goes on. So I'm just laying
this all out there. In this place called Do you can have
somebody that is receiving their PhD, but they're getting their
stuff picked up by a nurse and a black lady just kind of looked
at as, like, you know, just to help. Um, so I'm just trying to
say I'm just giving texture to what, what my experience was,
and also what was going on at the campus to you know, to
develop this kind of culture. So, um, hopefully, hopefully is
translating.
Yeah. When was this?
That clip from what what was the data? And this is the 2018.
Okay, not that long ago. Yeah, this is right. This is this is
super recent. So, um, yeah, so he was 50 years ago. So that had
to be 1970s 1968. Yeah. Um, so let's get to his second part of
his clip.
The privilege I enjoyed, was that I knew what it meant to be
the apple of my mother's the apple of my father's eye, the
darling of my community, my school, my church. So great
distance was precipitated on the inside. Aside from the Naval
knowledge of what it meant to be beloved, and then to be treated
as unloved, on rope become even worse, to see people like the
ones I cherished, and who I had come to love and who are
cherished me treat it like they were object of someone else's
desire. housekeepers calm by the first names. People only love
receiving paid below minimum wage knowing the school
patronized institutions that still practice racial
segregation, going to classes where your experience was
disregarded that the time came. Where the meaning and experience
of being beloved clashed with behaviors and performances that
misspoke everything but love. We could keep our eyes fixed on the
train that was coming. The train the impression sing about the
set, you don't need no baggage. You get on board or you need to
say, to hear the diesel's humming
Alright, what do I take away from that?
So he was more he was just saying that just texted to get
perspective that he was a star student and this goes that town
that 10th Boulais mentality of okay, we will sabotage you. But
it leads to more to what the doctor were saying as well. Once
he knew I was a doctor all he treated me like a human. Um, so
all this is baked into what Duke is. And the reason why I put
this these two clips in here is don't Don't get it twisted. The
Duke understood donating money to the Methodist church with
trigger now to the African Methodist. am me. Sure. Which
was the reverend's which they say how to control people.
Always got to rev.
Alright, so they had all the bases covered. And the reason
why I brought this up. Another reason I brought this up is the
reverence were very quiet on this case. They knew where their
bread was buttered. Oh, bad. That's why you had to go get a
What was his name? Malik. Chabad. Bass. Yeah. You know, I
mean, any other time you would have had an Al Sharpton Jesse
Jackson. But they knew it's like, you don't really want to
step on Dukes toes. So
Right. Yeah. What I mean? Yeah, well, this, this is there. They
they are Durham and they are North Carolina's business.
Yeah, I mean, in more ways than one. So now we get into the
other businesses that they took part in. This is going back to
the history clips from Robert Darnton
in the business area, I think the most creative thing he did
was was the Duke Power Company. phenomenally, creative,
visionary sort of enterprise. He got into hydroelectric power
when it was the frontier of so many people were scared of
electricity, and they had to sell the idea of electricity to
a lot of Milan. Textile Milan was because they were scared of
it. But I think that was a tremendous, tremendously
creative sort of thing. And one reason he wanted to he got into
hydroelectricity was because he didn't talk a lot about his
motives, his reasons for doing things but and he never wants to
use the term New South. As far as I know, I never saw it. But
he was stressed about the poverty of this region after the
Civil War, he grew up in it. And I think he saw textile
manufacturing as the best avenue out of this poverty. And of
course, he wants to sell hydro electricity to these textile
mills. And of course, that's exactly what happened. So that
the the Carolina Piedmont became one of the great suitors of the
textile industry. Now that day has passed, of course, but the
textile industry laid a foundation. What today is one of
the most prosperous, economically advanced regions in
the country?
Wow, man, that was 1905. When they put the they use the dam.
Yes, to generate electricity that that's like back to Tesla
days, almost. It's not long after Niagara Falls.
Right. And what that does was that opened up the textile mill.
Sure. So now the Dukes The hospital. They have the in case,
your hand gets in the mill right in the gin and the cotton's
the pornchai. Makers, where are you going to work? This not Duke
connected, you have the textile mills, which is running off Duke
Power. You have the hospital, you have the tobacco company.
Maybe you have the university itself. And it's damn near
impossible to work in a place in Durham, there's not insurance by
Duke. Sure,
sure. But yeah, that's that's the same was like college
station, you know, has a&m and there's lots of places that have
that rich, rich history of multi generations. But this one's
quite unique.
So I'm just setting up the opponent. Yeah, that you know,
this, this woman and the DA we're going to get Oh, yeah.
This is David and Goliath to the max.
Are you dumb? I mean, I don't I don't get where you
both both. Sometimes, if you're really trying to run an OP or
something. Yeah, the bigger the lie, the more believable it is.
And that's the point. It's like, what what really happened here
who really put that battery in iPhones back? He knows he knows
the politics. Oh, who is going against? Was this the inside
coup? And we really have to look at that. And
inside was it within Duke University? Yes. Well, no matter
what, no matter what mine, My money's on Buck. Buck, Buck
sounds like the guy to me.
So to have the textile mills that have the hospitals that
have them, the tobacco warehouses, they have everything
wrapped up in the whole city. And this guy thinks he's gonna
pull one over on the Duke lacrosse team, and it's not
going to happen. So I guess, what we can do is we can go
ahead and jump into 1980. And this is just a little fun fact.
This is from the Duke University Sanford School of Public Policy.
And just to go you show you how some of the things that were
going on in DERM are public news now.
Not only were you not allowed to sell to non Caucasians, it was
prohibited for you to have non Caucasians spend the night
unless they were a household servant. In the early 1930s, the
white women's garden club decided that Durham was really
missing a tree county that in order to make the city more
attractive to people and make it more comfortable for the people
lived here that the city should really undertake a massive tree
planting campaign. What was interesting was that the only
place the trees were planted we're in Welton, do white
neighborhoods like the one in Trinity park that we're standing
in right now your own watch street
no tree for you that you
can see on this map. Every block in the city where they planted
trees like this large one right here. There were no trees
planted in any of the African American neighborhoods or any of
the white working class neighborhoods.
Somehow I remember this I don't know if we had if we talked
about it previously.
Notice is in the news recently, trees are racist.
Oh, of course. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm so good. My history just
creeps up on me.
Right so this is the whole thing now with trees being racist that
that's the whole talking point. Like I said, what was happening
in this case? happening at Duke was a really a testbed for what
we're seeing with woke culture right now. Huh? Yeah, but dude,
I can see trees erasing. Tree trees are racist roads are
racist. That's DERM because they ran out and that's true. Not not
the like somebody said the Puerto Rican buses that they
were trying to take out the Joan Beach. I'm talking about they
use urban development to run Durham freeway right in the
middle of Hayti which is a was the Black Wall Street turn
right? So these things are real but these won't people
trivialize them to the point where they have no they lose
their potency to say oh rows are racist or trees are racist. Um,
but the thing with the trees I don't understand it. Why can
people plant their own trees? See, this is this is the point
where you're like you're saying with Bitcoin or whatever else,
do your own thing. Plant your own trees. Don't wait for the
tree.
to show up
what trees are wonder, right? One of the really things that
just as a quick aside that can show well, that you can buy a
tree. I mean, you can, but it's kind of like institutional
wealth, it's just the way it has to be planted, grown, tended to,
or you can come in and just buy the property that tree has been
grown on, which basically, you're buying time. Right,
right, you don't have time, you don't have time. Or you want a
tree, that I mean, but that lawns and trees that's like one
of the most like, privilege themes that you can have,
that kind of goes back to what the pastor said, you can you can
be the victim or you can not feel like a victim.
Right. And that's that's the point I was making that when
people say, Oh, well, my why you're kind of different or
whatever. It's because I was incubated in a environment, one
being the home. And that's why I say family is important, a huge,
important component of this show. Because look at the Duke
Family, that was a family, they set out to have a family vision.
And that's how you get to that point,
right? But But just because you may not have grown up in that
type of environment, or that type of family doesn't mean you
can't change.
It's very hard. I mean, I'm not I'm not being duped, but I'm
just saying it's baked into your psychology that you can't do
that there's a ceiling over your head. This is a this is a real
thing. Yeah. And for every Nancy Grace, I just take color out of
it. But for every Nancy Grace, that grew up in that dirt road,
yeah, there's probably 50 that say, You know what, I'll never
get past this dirt road, right. So just going to show you that
the psychological aspects of no of you know, just the the victim
make victimization, the things that sold in critical race
theory, this is all plays into this whole case. But I had to
lay it out in this way to say, Okay, this is who they're going
up against. Um, and this is why they were so hated. They rep
they were representations, physical representation of this
white privilege, these three boys was an all the iron was put
on them.
This is just the wind up, ladies and gentlemen, we're just the
pitch is yet to come, you know, it's gonna be great, I think we
should take a little break here.
Black men have to be able to sit down at the same table for white
man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the
feelings of that negro. And the Football League or has to feel
free to speak his mind without hurting the feeling of the white
man can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of
the table and take an intelligent approach to get the
problem solved. That's the only way.
Yeah, and I think we've actually been doing some of that today on
the show. Yes, it's good. This is the legendary words of
Malcolm X. And we're doing exactly that sitting down and
just talking about it. Now we got to talk about the value for
value in which this is produced this entire podcast, which means
exactly the way it sounds, if you get any value out of
listening to this, no matter what it is, that could be based
upon three hours of entertainment for yourself, or
equivalent to a couple of courses at a university history
class, which is what it is to me. Turn that around into a
number send it to us send it to us. And that'll be the value.
And the great thing about it is it's what the value means to you
something that you get to determine. And it is the only
way that we can keep this going now more important than ever, as
Moe, you're still in limbo on on your company and your your work.
Yes, I'm still in limbo of you know, my employment status. And
value definitely is needed. But I want to make one point about
this show. It's not about the downward thinking of race.
That's not what the point I'm trying to make is, I'm showing
this show is functioning families. Yeah, in life in multi
generational thinking, is the way out the takeaway I want
people to take away from this, I'm just illustrating how these
two things are colliding of people that want you to be a
downward thinker. And you know, you can't achieve this and that
kind of thing and being short example of what the Duke Family
to say, look, they had plans for their family, you know, what is
going to be and that's kind of the same thing. I see that in
myself. I have plans for my family. And this podcast is the
beginning of it, you know, it's not the end. And if everybody
assumes value alone, they're buying into that, you know, the
bigger plan because there is a bigger plan.
Yes, and it's interesting that you say that this surrounds
family because this truly is the MO facts fam.
Yes, the facts man. Family, family and
family and we got we got ideas for that. Stay tuned. Also,
thank you to everybody who has been diligently using a one of
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it starts to hit stop, it stops. But you can also send a booster
Graham just like a super chat. And so we just got the software
to read that and I was trying to compile the whole list and then
it went away. And so I promise in for the next show, we'll have
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have no idea how cool it is to see little pieces of Bitcoin
come into our wallet every single minute of every single
day.
And that's what I'm talking about right there. That's that's
the fourth thing. People have no clue Adam, they have no clue how
big this thing is gonna be. And their value is the you know, the
gasoline is gonna get there and we're just power and new power
and we're just stacking
that we're just letting that sit in our wallet and that's, you
know, we'll be able to maybe finance something bigger from
that in the future. Not today though. Is bitcoins about 50,000
But we're not worried Come on go Bitcoin
Hey, keep keep talking. But that's about perspective.
Exactly. 36 No, no, it's I love that you said I love that you
said you need to grow a tree. Bitcoin is the same way. It's
not an in and out and here's boom, here's my tree and now I
you know I now I get the Lambo No, no, no, no, no, this is, you
know, three years, five years, ultimately, 10 years, I have
wallets set up for every single child in my life. And every
single one of them has 1 million Satoshis in there. And
sorry, I see. Yes. My point. Yeah,
well, I just started this and it's so it's one it's 1 million
Satoshis which right now today is about $500 and it when I look
at all the kids that I'm connected to it's actually more
than I thought you know, it's like there's like 1011 kids so
and they're all going to get the the 12 key words upon my death
or at other time in the future and then they can do whatever
they want and no one can steal that from them no one can take
it away ever no government no nobody no nobody that's a WS
that's the
thing right there.
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And and I need to thank you very much Daniel. And I need to thank
Dred Scott who has been doing massive work, he's going back
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there's anything I know what I want, and maybe there's someone
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are always and we are in structured XML and we have all
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Adam and Joe were talking about this thing. It'd be a search
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That's a project we could really use because I think that's the
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Alright, so to bring people up to speed, we're talking about
the Duke lacrosse case. I know people like we're Mo, you're all
over the place. But it all makes sense here. And it'll all make
sense in a minute. Because what I need to lay out was the
relationship to do the relationship to my hometown,
this fragile coexistence of this superduper power structure
called Duke University, Duke Hospital, Duke Power, the
textile mills and the tobacco company, and how all that played
into know the environment of this Duke lacrosse case when it
first came about. So hopefully, I've done that well enough. So
people understand and it also sitting on our pastor that
worked it do, you know, for many years, what effect that had on
me and then also my love for Duke basketball. Now, the see
Duke basketball is the big draw at the university. I tell people
this right off the bat is kind of like, what's a rock group
with the fans is bigger than the artist itself. Grateful Dead,
kind of like the Grateful Dead. I mean, that the Cameron Crazies
are the bigger draw, and a lot of kids go to do just to be part
of this group of fans. So much. So that guy recently paid a
million dollars for the last four tickets to do. He paid a
million dollars for four tickets to the last home game against
Carolina.
Wow, that's not very elitist.
This tells you I mean, and it's exclusive. It's not a big
stadium, it's a small, it's a small arena. So you they have to
actually spend a night in what's called a saysky view, after the
coach to get tickets. Um, and I'll talk about an other side of
this, but just to give you context to it. This is dupes cam
and crises.
For our students and our fans, it's become like a rite of
passage. Like it's something that you have to do
I've never low respect for the fans. And you know, I don't take
any of them for granted because, you know, they have to rules
they have to follow and then the line moderators who monitor the
line, I mean, they're they're strict. You know, it says a lot
about those, those guys and that's a great tradition that we
have,
please get on the sidewalk in group order. I want to make sure
you guys have your wristbands when you go in doors are opening
in 15 minutes. Our tradition has always been the most dedicated
students, the most passionate students should get the best
seats. Cameron crazes. It's a it's a really integral part of
our culture as a campus and our culture University is something
that brings our entire student body together in a way that a
lot of things on campus just can't just because of the way
that it's such a common experience that everybody wants
to experience together.
Really, a lot of the graduates they'll say for that I learned
so much about myself being in there. I got to know my
classmates or other Duke students great fashion Coach,
thanks. We had an incredible experience and Cameron
does over the top of strong and
we do our best to research the opponents we research you know,
their strengths, their weaknesses, kind of embarrassing
facts about them and anticipating what would get
under their skin that best and making sure that people are
being loud enough people cheering making sure that
there's good coordination between the the side
undergraduate sections and the two graduate ends is a very
important part of our job and that we take very seriously and
that's something that you know, that's been going on for ages
here.
And some of these these this camping this like months,
months, they're jumping up.
Wow, this is this is the draw. This is what made besides the
academic stuff, but this is what makes Duke $100,000 a year
school. Because it is a finite amount of games. It's rock star
celebrity. Yeah, in this. This is what made Duke nervous
because you have a black woman getting raped by white athletes
on your campus, where your biggest moneymaker is most of
the time, led by black basketball players running up
and down to court for free. And then you have the whole NCAA
slavery conversation. It was just they want this thing to go
away immediately.
Yeah, I can understand
and of course Nikes league lurking in the background.
Got all about those guys? Of course,
because Nike pays Coach K. Yeah. Which he recruits the players
the players play for free of course they get
now is that is that all okay and legally for for the coach to get
paid by Nike? Yes. That's crazy.
I mean, this is the power strike, like I said this is
gives the imagery of slavery. You have a white guy having four
or five black men used to do it has one or two white players, I
mean starters. So you have about four or five black guys running
up and down the floor. And it's a bigger issue for the NCAA. But
Duke is like their crown jewel, right? It's this. It's the
perfect, they're the perfect enemy. They have the Cameron
Crazies, as he said, they go and look for stuff to troll the
other players, right? Right, right, or your mom's whatever on
drugs or whatever it is, they're gonna put make signs and stuff
about it. And that's another reason why people hate Duke.
They hate they literally, when I say people hate do you mean
people hate Duke. Um, so this plays into it. And the most
hated person of all, and kind of like a red icon of what Duke is
all about was Christian Lightner. I
hate to the Christian Layton use a bad dude, but he could back it
up with his play. It was four versus evil. He didn't like him.
I wanted to jump down and punched you in the face. But if
people think sports is goody goody touchy feeling that's not
what if I told you haters gonna hate. ESPN Films presents a 30
for 30 film. I hate Christian Laettner Sunday, March 15. At
nine on ESPN.
Okay, now you're in territory that is very, very foreign to me
mo.
That's why they had a whole special about what was at 92. So
just came out. Maybe less than maybe like maybe 1516 years ago,
I believe. The guy's out of college, done with basketball
and people still hate him to this day because he was the
ideal person to hate. Like he was his preppy white guy but
really good at basketball. And he was like you go to do you
have a silver spoon in your mouth? Right? Um, but what I'm
highlighting this to say, this is the energy that was behind
the trial like yes, we got them. We got we got to do guys, you
know, we want to take them down there. No, they're douchebags
they're preppy boys. We got them. Right. And that was that
was why the media lapstone to hating dude. Because you have
like this high like say highly educated and then Holly winning
team and Coach K himself. I mean, he was known for cutting
out rafts. He came out under Bobby Knight. So he was that
kind of guy. Bobby Knight. Yes, sure. Yeah. And there could be
some NK Archer kind of things going on with Coach K, but I
won't go there. Because he did come from military.
Oh, boy. Come on. Come on mom. So disappointed. Not going.
Not and I'm not going because I don't have the fattest kid. I'm
just saying that it's awesome. To have that high level of
influence over I'm not talking about just pro me on college
players. Right. Pico. He goes to dream teams. And everybody will
come back like I'm so much better because the coach Kay so
there's some stuff there. I mean, there's some just some you
know, tidbits there that you could no probably run with God
but we have a Jalen Rose. Oh, the fast following. Have you
heard of fat five or not, but they were like five freshmen
that played at Michigan, right. And they were like that hip hop
team in the 90s and calm. They had like the ball heads and the
black socks and everything about him just just spoke to hip hop.
So Jalen Rose, he hated Duke as well. And he's on record here
talking about how he hated Duke and Christian Lightner and Grant
Hill.
The first year the Fab Five. With all freshmen go to the NCAA
championships. That is crazy. It's never happened before for
having again. And you guys hated Duke. Yeah, despise them. You
actually called the black players at Duke house Negroes.
That was the young me speaking. Yeah. This was the inner city
kid from Detroit. That felt like I wasn't getting that
opportunity based on my zipcode and the financial standing of my
family.
But you were in a fairly high opportunity situation at that
time, though, weren't you? I mean, you're going to the NCAA
Finals, you know, in a spectacular team.
And when and when the season ended in April and May, I was
right back in.
Gotcha. Staying at my
mother's crib that I grew up in. Gotcha. The same environment.
They'd hold the entire world gets to see me on the big stage
rocking the big shorts, black shoes, black socks, people
naming their kids Jaylen does now in the NFL or the NBA.
People rocking the hierarchies. Right back on the block.
That made you better? Of course
it did.
So this goes this goes to show you how the kids from Michigan
the Fab Five, the you know, the hip hop, basketball players.
They hate it to do players. Yeah, keep saying that. But you
can hear it in graining. And it's not that hating them
personally. But it's like all man and this is where the hate
comes from. Now. This is what you're seeing now that like, Oh,
let the world burn kind of thing. Like yeah, no tax the
rich eat the rich. This was the mentality then. Um, and it was
just it was it?
Was it? Was anybody really noticing this? Or is this just
hindsight where it's so obvious when you put it all together? I
mean, did you feel this at that moment the way you do now?
Yes, cuz that's the thing about being a black Duke fan. You kind
of get the same mentality. I mean, kind of all your house
negro. You are you like the white man's team, especially in
North Carolina, because, well, obviously, it would be the state
universities
obvious. It's obvious the problem with race in America is
all surrounding one thing. We have we have to ban basketball.
That said, I've never have especially on Tobacco Road. And
I can even be I want to have that conversation with you know,
what it is? is a representation of they have it all right. It's
like you can't be rich and good at basketball. I mean, like G
League. For guys, right? You know, so that's what really is.
And they were good. They were really good. And the coach was
really good. And it's just built that hey, up for the team, to
the point where he got frustrated that he called now
Grant Hill,
the Duke Duke basketball team, predominantly white players,
say here's the thing it would be you have like three black
players and two white players to think it'd be the perfect
representation. But Coach K will only take certain kind of black
players Oh, what is that that's what that's what you hit the
house Negro thing from but His thing was, you had to understand
a order. You had to understand, um, discipline, discipline. I
mean, he came from West Point. That's the thing and that
equated to most the time his players had fathers that would
be the difference. Uh, you know, it's changed over time because
the mean time you have to gravitate but when in the heyday
of do and when it was going right when it was really big,
and what was really a patriarchal system of gods that
were raised by men um so that's why you had the hate and Grant
Hill being one and just for
Rosie right. So so people are mad about one thing but then
they take they they make it about something else and so they
they take it out by trying to destroy the the so if Duke is
the family Duke represents Duke is the is the I'm trying to put
this together I paid me a whiteness well the epitome of of
the white generational wealth structure Yeah. So if Duke by
itself is a family then destroying all families is kind
of like a metaphor for for destroying all of the problems
that we have
is well destroying them if take will take down or do it would
have been a takedown of the patriarchy
you right right but proves right but by the same time I'm just
saying Is it because of this Duke as an example that oh well
the clearly we can have any families any families just know
families we can have families because always turns into some
power structure piece of crap. So all families have a destroyed
price melee To get rid of male leadership and which way to do
it is make them scared. So they are now so what
kind of pussies are these Duke guys that are letting women ruin
their lives ruin their family.
know whether or not you're gonna see him stand. This is gonna be
like Hamburger Hill like they're not gonna lose the heel. Okay?
But just to give context, the way you say about House Negro,
we got to go back and listen to Malcolm X, and to find a house
Negro from the field Negro
back during slavery. When Black people like me, talk to the
slave didn't kill him. They sent some old house Negro along
behind him to undo what he said. You have to read the history of
slavery, to kind of negros house Negro, and feel negro. And the
house Negro always looked out for his map. When the field
negros got too much out of line, he held them back in check. He
put him back on the plantation. The house Negro could afford to
do that, because he lived better than the field negro. He ate
better, he dressed better. And he lived in a better house. He
lived right next to his mask in the basement. You included
mastery, and more has been closed. You can talk just like
his master Master good addiction. And he loved his
master more than his master love themselves. That's why he didn't
want his master hurt. If the master got sick, he said, What's
the matter, Bob, we sit on the Master of Health. Trying to put
the fire out. He didn't want to mess the house. He never wanted
it mastered property. And he would more defensive of it than
the master was the house Negro
classic. So this, this equates to a black, white supremacist.
This is what you're seeing now with Larry elders and Kevin
Owens, right. Anybody that has you know, speaks well or uses
light logic or that kind of thing. It's like, oh, you're
you're saying you're a sellout. You're a house negro. That's
what the kind of thing was with the Duke basketball team. We
used to look at a grant he'll, he came from a good household.
His dad was a professional football player. Um, they didn't
celebrate, they didn't know you know, they were very
professional in the way they carry things. And that was like
born, you know, you post a dance at the slam dunk. And it's in
it's really the thing. The thing was was Wow, because I'm black.
You expect me to dance after I have a good play? Right? And
it's this there is the real racism is the expectation that
I'm supposed to dance or celebrate after I score? You
know, like, that's the black thing to do. You understand? You
understand what I'm saying? Like, it's, it was a real, I
identify more with do of being hard work and, you know, making
a smart play and not the stylish play all these things baked into
the little mo cuz I moved to Durham when I was 1011 years
old. And this is right when Duke started winning. Right. Um, and
grant he was there and I saw this guy that was like, No, I
just good. I mean, he was really good. And me coming from a small
town NorCal on a moving to Durham was like this the first
time I ever had to live in the city. They actually had a sports
team, as you can see on TV. But it was like, No, you can't cheer
for do by not, you know, the white team. They're racist.
Right? That was I mean, no, that's the best. It will be.
Just for content. It will be me in a room with maybe 15 People
watching the game and I'll probably be the only Duke fan.
Wow, this this. This is a very introspective episode because
this is part of the thick skin. It's like I'm looking at like
they're good. The way they're playing is good. And that guy's
good. And I identify with them. If you like why you're not in
North Carolina fan. Why? Why are you from North Carolina? Black?
I'm from Durham and dukes in Durham. That's why I'm a Duke
fan. Right so right right. But this being in an environment
where you know saying you will get trolled like don't lose
Don't be the only do fan there. You're losing. Oh, you're gonna
be you know, you're gonna be trolled so hard but this is what
kind of like I have a thick skin. I know sports are very
superficial. But it played a part a lot into who I am
personally. Because I think I don't care how good you are. I
can outwork you you know saying I can hustle you I can out you
know that's what dude was known for just hard defense and out
hustling. They didn't have the best players but they worked as
a team and he Coach K was say that this fifth thing if you all
worked as a fish you're saying like, cuz five plays in the
basket. saying you could be anybody. And that would that's
the mentality out there that was shaped on me. But when you had
that kind of mentality, and that's kind of like what Kanye
deal with, right? It was that, oh, you're not street enough.
You're not good enough. You're not tough enough, that kind of
thing. So all this bakes into me as a person. And so to see this
unfold the way it did, it's like, hold on, it's the same way
now. It's like, how do you want to get rid of families because
families are white? And that makes no sense. But that's the
that's the ideology is going along with it. But I don't want
to be long about it. But I was exactly what I just said. Jalen
Rose is gonna verify what what I just said.
Right. We've got a single doubt Grant Hill, who came from a rich
family, college educated parents, because dad played
professional sports. Yeah, Calvin Hill was a beast. Yeah.
And you were just jealous. Oh, basic. Yeah, I
was jealous. And so it's almost like the movie face off was John
Travolta and Nicolas Cage and a movie right? Or even like,
another one like ricochet. Remember, Dinsdale was in a
movie kind of like that, where it was where it's like, you see
somebody you're you're You're the heir to beside however you
see it, and you see somebody that has all of the things that
you want. And you ready for this, Vlad. And Dean, you think
they're soft, because you grew up in a hood, and you pour?
Right? This is what I learned a long time ago, your haircut, how
you wear your pants, how you speak your appearance, that
don't make you hard. And by the way, it don't mean nothing to be
tough. Anyway, the best player, the most talented player ever at
Duke is Grant Hill, the most accomplished player, it's
Christian late. Hmm.
So this is why I started with do because I had a dad, I was more
identify what grant healed in it. And Jalen Rose. Because I
had a dad and people will always say you don't know what a street
says about cuz you live in, you're saying you live in a nice
neighborhood or your dad, a teacher, your mom's social
worker. So you don't know the struggle. And it's like how
long, right? So I'm just letting this be known that this process
in which I'll see now, this was bait in like, say 1112 years
old. And this is why this is why the woke culture comes from
sports is a reason why they attack sports. Might be might be
thinking this show is trivial. And like, Oh, why don't you talk
about sports and basketball and do lacrosse?
No, no. And you know, I'm really just being very quiet. Because I
don't know a lot about sports, but I'm learning an awful lot
just listening to you.
Yeah, because it's, you have a coach, which is kind of like the
dad, and he tells you what to do and where to be and how to move
and you don't play by his rules. You can get sit on the bench,
and he'll bring up somebody more deserving to be on the floor.
Like that's what they don't want to teach young men. Right? It's
like they want equity, not equality. And I keep stressing
that point. They will equal outcomes. You know, if you don't
play hard, you don't deserve to win. And sports is the you know,
representation of that. And that's why they want to destroy
sports. That's why every time they try to destroy this,
whoever it is they they want to come out to sports and Duke the
Duke lacrosse case was perfect. Because it's the white rapist
you got sports back then. By by association you got Duke
basketball associated with Duke lacrosse. You know lacrosse
itself is it's like an elite within an elite because in high
school my team my school was like the only scene and
accounting they had a lacrosse team and you had to pay to play
it was a club it wasn't like most of High School Sports is
free no cross is the elite of the elite so they were like yes,
we got them we got some white boys from do and we can
associate everything to do go with it. And then in doing so we
could take down the patriarchy wow and that's why I'm saying
this what we're seeing now and 2021 and this funny that cow
Rittenhouse only thing got a dad um of course he has a dad but
well still broken home still was a little bit a little bit of the
goodness there.
But he was associated with the patriarchy. Yeah, because I
don't have a dad shown. I'm just going to show you like this is
this is how by
now it's just media programming. I mean, it's it just nothing has
to be true. That's the beauty of this The assumption
is he's a white guy. So he has a dad, you are racist. That is,
because the inverse you're saying is, if you're black man,
you don't have it. Right. Exactly. And I'm just showing
you this. This is I think this was a coup and you can these net
clips. I think this came with from within the Duke campus,
this push to take these these these lacrosse players down. And
we're going to hear so in clip number let's start with number
26.
What was remarkable is that lots of figures within the media,
within the Duke faculty and to a certain extent within the Duke
administration not only presumed the players to be guilty, but
then these very strong moral judgment and it was a completely
closed minded, early approach to the case.
My name is Casey Johnson. I'm a professor of history at Brooklyn
College and the CUNY Graduate Center. I wrote a blog on the
Duke lacrosse case called Durham in Wonderland and CO wrote a
book on the case was to retailer called until proven innocent.
during spring break, when most of the students at Duke were off
campus, the captains of the lacrosse team came up with the
not so bright idea of inviting to strippers to perform for the
players. One of them was this woman crystal Mangum who we
subsequently learned I had very severe mental problems she
arrived she had no particular interest in performing it
appears as if she was on some sort of combination of alcohol
and prescription drugs. And the party relatively quickly turned
ugly there was a shouting match between the other dancer and
members of the team by this point most of the guys had
already left
wow so this is where mental health comes into it. Yeah, this
victim and I haven't talked about her very much but this
alleged victim was upon yeah was a beast saw her a VIC
yeah
good great it's very it's very clear that she wasn't a credible
witness. But politics kicked in it's the same thing with the
written house okay, like I said these things these two things
are like mirror images but our thing about written our he
didn't have the institutional wealth but that's why I say no
to me and always can through boys defense fun he had a
fighting chance to get out of it.
So ultimately for the love of money is the root of all evil
because everything boils down to money in this in in these in
these cases yes jealousy that all of it all of it all of it.
But it's a structural problem it's a structural issue of I got
screwed and I'm owed and it's being played into I'm not quite
sure exactly why the Whelk the world culture Mm hmm it's just
it doesn't seem like it would ever be powerful enough to take
down these types of institutions. Are they just
trying to carpet mom with as much as possible all the time?
Yeah, it's a it's a continuous struggle, right it's not gonna
be it's not gonna be one hit that takes them down. No, but
this was a big hit because if you could get it just take the
original story 20 lacrosse players rate blacks let students
know the story. Well, this was also a story not strippers
student,
but this was also an exercise in media. manipulation, baby
propaganda. psychological operation just said that maybe
even more so than than anything to see how, how far we could
push people into believing again. Remember, I there are
things that I didn't even know about the case.
Yes, but that's it wasn't. That's because the established
media establishment media wasn't in on it. Like they are now.
Right? See, the order was different than, um, CBS won a
Peabody for the coverage of this case, because they were quickly
exposing the facts. Ah, true. This is the difference now like
they have completely and I think John always references on our
agenda show, but they've hired so woke. Yeah, that the keys
that we're going to school now, so just like 2006 is 2020. Now
those kids are graduating to down six or 14 years into their
career. And to me, because this is a I mean, Duke is putting out
a lot of high level professionals. Yeah. And they're
going off to be woken these companies. And now when they go
to the New York Times or CBS they have well allies that will
run with the story, which at the time, they didn't have that kind
of leverage in the in the main you had to go to your Nancy
graces of the world. Um, so she was trying to make a name for
herself as well. I think we stopped at what two is that one?
Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, number two is out.
And then the second dancer woman named Kim Roberts drove off and
in a normal circumstance, no one ever would have would have heard
of this again. But as Roberts drove off, she was she found out
that her fellow dancer and passed out. She called the
police to come and get Mangum to take her either home or to a
psychological institution. Mangum when she was awakened by
the police, she was going to be admitted to a psychological
institution and was prompted improperly by a nurse who asked
her whether she had been raped and Mangum system. Well said
yes, she was sent to Duke Hospital and she made an
allegation. We saw a kind of mob mentality that took hold of the
activist wing of the Duke faculty, which culminated in an
April 2006 statement signed by 88 Duke faculty members called
the group of 88, in which before any charges even had been filed,
these ADH faculty members took out an ad a full page ad in the
Duke campus newspaper. They unequivocally asserted that
something had happened to Crystal manga, or she was
claiming rape lacrosse players that said nothing happened. They
said that they would continue their activism regardless of
what the court decided or what the police said. And they
thanked public protesters for not waiting and making
themselves heard. And the highest profile public protest
that had occurred at that point, had been a march in front of the
captain's house in which protesters had carried large
signs are urging the castration of the lacrosse captains. So
this was it was a complete abandonment of any pretense of
objectivity have any interest in the truth?
Just starting to make sense
now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally.
88 faculty members signed on before even any,
for any information was no basic right.
And celebrated their protesters saying you know whether right or
wrong, we applaud you for just that happen. What do you mean?
It's a coup. This was a power. This was a this was a coup. They
were trying to
but but that's uh, that's, I mean, that's a lot, man. That's
unbelievable.
Right? And this is why I'm saying one da didn't decide to
throw his career way. He was in for a political break. Yeah,
yeah.
Yeah. Yeah,
we understand the good old boy network. Trust me. When you live
in a town like Durham you understand you come and do. You
can get counsel counsel. I mean, do you see the kind of power
that they have? Um, but they still those 88 still said no.
Activist protests. They're saying process and they're out
in front of the frat house castrate him. It's this it's
like I said, this is a glimpse into where we're at now
that I actually remember I remember the castrate the cast
Wraith and things of that somehow that and that's
not good but that's that's representative of what
castrating the patriarchy Oh yeah. take take take their
manhood away from so and like I said, I'm not gonna play these
games like you know that the stigma wasn't there to do was
racist because as that's why I played their clips from my
pastor. They did look like look at not particularly these two
women Kundera black but these two poor women yeah that you
know saying like they're they're objects come over here
entertainments shake it up, you know do do what we tell you to
do. Kind of thing so there was some kind of authority here that
they were trying to flex in privilege to say okay, yeah, we
can just call it strippers, your your entertainment you do we
tell you to do but
just just just to be fair. That is kind of the relationship
between escort slash strippers who do house calls and the
customers it's nothing you know, this has a whole racial element
to it. That is But I'm very careful. I'm very careful
because I coming from Amsterdam and I also understand that
industry, and we have to humanize what they're doing as
well. It's not it's not it's not always desperation.
No, no, some women choose to do it because it's a lifestyle.
That's the point like, it makes a choice like I can. It's my
body, I can monetize anywhere I want to part.
Part of that deal is is the, you know, do do what I say take your
clothes off. It's it's a sick game, and when you look at it
kind of in that way, but I'm just saying that that's not
necessarily to me, it's not the best example of objectifying a
person that that's like a contract to objectify
know what I mean by objectify is that this is part of the college
experience to come here and do these kinds of things. But
yeah, I'm sorry, I forgot these are a bunch of 18 year old
turns. You're right. I'm sorry. I forgot about.
It was the point. It was the point it was it had to do
anything about sex. I believe it was the point of entertainment.
Yeah, entertainment the same way you look into basketball players
and run up and down the court, your entertainment. I mean, it's
this, it's just it's so difficult for me, because
growing up in the Netherlands, you know, at the impressionable
age is like going going from 13 prostitution, and these types of
things were no longer so what were considered very normal
parts of normal day life. So I have a very different
experience. In general like this, it's hard to explain. It's
just I have no cultural reference to any of this.
But it was a rite of passage to go to the strip club as well for
young men in Durham to go over to a club for this course. So I
mean, like I said, it's not the point about, um, the sex aspect
of it was just that the power that you know, it's the power
structure, not the sexual aspect of it.
Yes. So again, uniquely not Dutch. To that doesn't exist,
like, like, like Porky's. You know, the movie Porky's that was
yeah, that was, that was a shoe that was that was a huge hit in
in the Netherlands. And everyone go like, wow, they're crazy in
America.
That but that's what those young boys were going to college to
experience that Porky's experienced. Yes. Yeah. That's
the Collegian or animal, Animal House or
Yeah, and should I tell you this is one of the main reasons why I
dropped out of college because I got there. I wanted to learn
communications. I want to be on the radio I want to do
management stuff for the radio, and all those was porkies and I
call my mom's I gotta leave here this is not for me. So now you
understand my
graphic you know what that's why I switched colleges three times
for the same reason yeah
right i you whenever on campus I use it you live off campus
right yeah, it was I went to college I went to class not
college right. Because I felt college to be very I don't know
it sounds like corrupt a lot of people easily
it this is where the Illuminati and all this begins
I think we got to calm down on explaining how it all works MO
Not this is what this is the power this is the power
structure this is the year it doesn't matter what June grades
your main issue your roommate is it's what fret you're accepted
to write it this is the real power structure and this is why
people on the outside hate them. This is why the admissions
scandal got more attention in the design Maxwell case. Yes
attention. Yes, we want to see rich people burn that we don't
like if we like you. It's cool. You're saying it's rich people
that we don't like we want to see you burn right that's that's
the that's that's where Nancy Grace was coming from. Like
these reads rich, no preppy boys. Let him burn his equity.
It was like right it's a matter it's the same outcome. But you
know, it's equal outcome right you know, nothing innocent No,
enough non white people went to jail. We need some white was to
go to jail, even though if they're interested or not. Got
it. That's the that's the mentality. So I think we stopped
at two Let's go again, three. There
were three elements that that prove Mangum lied. The first and
by far the most important was the DNA Mangum story there was
that she was sexually assaulted for 30 minutes by a group of
people who did not use condoms. In such an assault DNA would be
left behind and she was immediately taken to the
hospital. DNA samples were taken from all 46 White lacrosse
players, and there were no matches to na 46. The second
were the were the descriptions. Mangum did describe the people
who attacked her. Those descriptions didn't resemble in
any way any of the lacrosse players. And the third were the
inconsistencies. Within Mangum story, manga looked at a number
of different photo ways. There was only one lacrosse player
that she positively identified as being at the party in every
single photo array that she looked at. The problem is that
that was one lacrosse player who could prove that he was never in
Durham, but actually wasn't in Durham County, the night of the
party. And that information was shared with prosecutors. So the
prosecutors view before they went forward, but they had a
wholly unreliable witness whose descriptions didn't match her
alleged attackers, and where there was no medical basis to
advance to substantiate Her charges.
Okay, there you go.
So no DNA. And the story didn't make any sense. And it's for me,
when the details started coming out. I'm like, hold on. First of
all, when I said 20 Guys, put like, that didn't make sense.
And when there's no physical evidence, you know, so when he
starts saying start coming out, you know, he just started
looking inside out, but on the ground, things were still tense.
You know, because it was the matter of, regardless if they're
guilty or not, they're gonna get away with the either way. Yeah.
So that's, that's what we're attacking. That was the
mountain. That was the mindset. And I think that was the mindset
of the group of 88. It's like, Let's get them because if it's
not now, they'll do it again. Yeah, they're gonna do
something. Which is a very date. Like I said, this is very
dangerous, because when we look at cases like, I'm Brian banks,
at the same time, around the same time, he was a high school
football player that got accused by a classmate or rate. Juanita
Gibson, another black woman, he was black. He did like five
years in jail. I mean, his narrative is Batman. I mean,
anybody can tell on our guy, I heard of a guy, right, you know,
athlete that, you know, got caught in their own dorm and now
he's doing you know, five to 10 Archer. So it's like, how did
they get away with it? He's you know, saying like, this is this
is where the frustration came from, from people that didn't
want it to believe their story and was being duped by the
media. It's like, you know, our guys never get away with this.
And now they're gonna end do you have to do a plan to the crowd.
The same way it was in the Rittenhouse case.
Hmm. So, all right, well, let's just continue a little bit. I
don't want to I don't want to stop the flow.
Okay, number 29.
I am not going to allow Durham view in the mind of the world to
be a bunch of
stocks, not lacrosse. This is this is my iPhone speaking. So I
just wanna This is him speaking in the beginning of the clip. So
I just wanna let people know that
I am not going to allow dermed view in the mind of the world to
be a bunch of lacrosse players from do raping a black bow and
all
night long as prosecutor seemed to be functioning as if his goal
in the case was to violate as many different ethical
procedures as he possibly could in one case. So you know, he
ordered the police to run this rigged photo lineup that
contained only photos of lacrosse players. So anyone
Mangum picked, could be charged. He conspired with the former
head of a DNA lab to ensure that the the lab had would not fully
report his DNA results results which were exonerating of the
players. He lied in open court to a judge for which he
eventually was held in criminal contempt and was sent to county
jail for for one day, he issued a barrage of inflammatory public
statements, which violated ethical rules for prosecutors.
So knife Long's behavior was was extraordinarily bad.
Wow, man, how does it's, you know, it's not coordinated but
still it's like something that Bond's and connects all these
actors.
Is what what do you mean? Oh, can you can you can you explain?
It's kind of like you know, the the meta version of that is
where you know the globalist world order the New World Order.
It's not really coordinated, but it's so mutually beneficial that
people kind of, you know, the farmers cuticle industry works
nicely along with what the banks need covered up or it's nicely
along with politicians who need power. You know what I mean?
It's not it's not like really coordinated, but it all just
kind of flows together.
It's a shared goal, shared goal. Now, there you go. It's a shared
goal. And the shared goal is those the liberal professors, I
believe, got with, you know, the DA in some kind of way in a back
channel. And like I said, this is speculation here. I just
wanna make that clear. But as as the guy said, he was break, he
was going through all the rest red lights, to say, you know,
um, yeah, we're gonna rig the DNA, we're gonna rig the line
up. Yeah, we're gonna do all of this. And this is just for some
clarity. People were saying this was due to him having a hotly
contested primary that was coming up in a couple of months.
And he was playing to the black crowd to say, Oh, we're gonna
get some do white boys. I'm saying vote for me.
Hey, was, was Soros funding this Nifong? At the time?
No, I don't think he has had somewhere and do I'm sure. Um,
of it, because with the grants and that kind of thing, I mean,
I'm sure he probably has, he has I'm not him himself. But that
ilk that that collective of these won't professors. And like
I said, this was the first glimpse this glimpse of it, for
them to go against their university that cuts their
checks, to say, No, we're gonna take out full page ads and take
down these guys, right? And the universe, like What the hell's
going on, don't even realize like, You got to open a hole can
erase worms over here. And we got all this free labor pushes
out number one source of entertainment for the campus.
You can't do that. Right? And it's even a bigger picture for
the NCAA. I guess. You We can't forget that. I'm an amateur
athletics is just like almost slavery. You heard Jalen Rose
say once he's done, he goes back home. Exactly. Back to the host.
Oh, you make millions and millions and billions of dollars
off for me. And I can't make any recovery, your rules,
whatever came of that from a couple about a year or so ago,
maybe a little bit longer. to uh, to allow college athletes to
be paid?
Yeah, they can they can be paid now. Now, it's, it's still some
great. I mean, it
was not like they weren't getting, you know, cars and
apartments and stuff like that. But yeah, yeah. But
if they got caught, the player would get in trouble. Right?
What? Isn't that funny,
the coach can just quit and go to another job and get another
job. And in the penalties will stay with the school and the
player will get penalized, but not the coach. It was a perfect
system. And that this is a system that people were trying
to highlight, which is a real I mean, it's it's a real racket
there. But at the same time they're doing it for dubious
reasons, because they know if I take down sports that takes down
a lot, a lot. masculinity. They mean the same thing with the
trans trans athletes and not the point of view trying to
celebrate trans people in their athletics. He just like will
destroy the train.
We're trying to ruin sports across the board. Because sports
is not equitable.
Right? It's all about you know, it's a meritocracy.
Well, someone wins, someone wins in sports, that's not cool.
And at the same time, this is when you start seeing sports,
not give trophies. This was the no trophy area,
or everybody gets a trophy, right.
So let's go ahead and get to the last clip number 30.
It was I think, unprecedented the sort of behavior that we saw
from the Duke faculty. And we, you know, I can't think of
another instance, in modern higher education, in which
faculty members essentially chose to exploit their students
distress, to advance the campus pedagogical agenda, to push
their own ideological vision, and to abandon any pretense of
supporting fairness, due process, the dispassionate
evaluation of evidence, so there were multiple villains in this
case, the worst of them was knife wrong in terms of the
degree of the misconduct. But if we want to look at unprecedented
conduct, I think the focus would be on on the Duke faculty.
The Times coverage which was both relentless and one sided
there were more than 100 articles or opinion columns in
the Times about the lacrosse case, set the stage for the
national media that look, these guys must be guilty because it's
the New York Times which is saying it. And half the times is
saying it must be true.
I don't think they want to lie detector test because they're
afraid they won't pass a lie detector test
them I may be the last person willing to take the heat because
the victim is certainly taking a beating as Mike and I find it's
really unconscionably unfair.
This was a case that served different agendas of different
groups for knife on he wanted guilt because it would help his
cause in the primary for the Duke faculty members, portraying
their own students as racist, advanced and on campus agenda of
making more hires dealing with topics of race, class and
gender, and requiring more courses in race, class and
gender. And for the New York Times, this was a case that fit
very much the basic assumptions of a typical Times journalist
that white male athletes were out of control of both sexual
and racial connotations. And that advancing this would sort
of advance a broader ideological agenda of the times. And so this
was it was almost a perfect storm of a case in which a
variety of different groups could exploit the case for their
own purposes.
It's a really, really good historical compendium of our how
we got to where we are today, and I'm sure there's other stops
along the way, but man is this is this a big part of and this
is 2006. So long ago,
this goes to show you that the apparatus was ready. Oh, no,
this and this is long game, man. This is real long game.
Yeah. And that's the whole point of it is they lay and wait for
the perfect opportunity to rear their heads up for their
personal game, and that that spaciousness, just remember this
the reason why I want to keep bringing this up at the expense
of a men and mentally ill black woman. Yeah. Like they don't
care who they use. It doesn't it doesn't care, you know, um, they
just threw out there. They knew her story didn't hold water.
They didn't seem to give her help. They said, Okay, we can
use her for our own gain. And this goes to show you what the
door this is the clear cut case of hold the door. Yeah, hold the
door and let us come right on. And they were going to push all
their feminist and different agendas on the back of this
black woman, which that goes to show you and the weird thing is
the weird paradigm is the liberal students used her as the
object.
Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. That's that's that is the crazy
part of all and what's going on now too.
Right. They didn't care about Jojo. Joe, Joe, who can we just
use to up spit out in and keep moving so well,
maybe, maybe one day people will get hip to this? Well, we
had to look backwards to see for like now if we just looked at
this case. Before the Rittenhouse case, then we knew
what kind of what was going on.
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I'm not crying for the Duke lacrosse players. Because
whenever you come for the power structure, be prepared for the
backlash. And there was definitely a backlash. As I said
before CBS won a Peabody for 60 minutes coverage of the Duke
lacrosse case and they were all on a story debunking to protect
the you know, the Duke University and the prestige that
comes along with it. So this example that let's get into
number 32.
More than six months ago, Duke University in the city of
Durham, North Carolina were rocked by charges that Duke
lacrosse players raped an exotic dancer at a team party. 60
minutes correspondent Ed Bradley got exclusive interviews with
the three players charged in a case, including former co
Captain Dave Evans,
do you ever think that if this does go to trial, that if you're
convicted, you could face a lot of time in prison? Do you ever
think about that? Would you? Sure?
30 years, I could go to jail for something that
never happened.
based on a lie.
And Bradley's here with us this morning. Good morning. And good
morning. He spoke to all three of these young men. Are they
scared? They've all said they're innocent.
I think that they do have some fear. As Dave says he's looking
at 30 years in prison for something he says he didn't do.
Based on the evidence they feel they shouldn't be in this
position. So they feel confident that they're innocent.
You've also spoken with the other dancer who was there that
night along with the accuser, a young lady named Kim Roberts.
Let's take a look at that.
In the police statement. She describes the rape in this way.
Three guys grabbed Nikki at you, Brett Adam and Matt grabbed me.
They separated us at the master bedroom door while we tried to
hold on to each other. But Adam and Matt took me in to the
bathroom. What are you holding on to each other? Were you
pulled apart? Is that true? No. Did she give you any reason to
believe that she had been assaulted in any way? No, none
whatsoever
so here so this mess where I was making the point about a cow
Rittenhouse. If he went to Duke, he got the same kind of
treatment. Yeah, is different levels of whiteness. Don't have
to explain that to you. But yeah, no, I hear
you. Did you see Kyle going to attend classes at Arizona State?
No. But I seen him bouncing around all the podcast
interview. Oh, no.
They had huge protests. He's not welcome at the school. He's
done.
Yeah, somebody has taken me in don't worry about some universal
love to have their name associated with him. But that's
the thing that this is what happens when you come up against
the power structure. A, this is the power structure. And I want
in the reason why I'm pointing this out is this is matched by
family. Right? And the power comes from family. When you
don't have any family people can treat you any kind of way. And
it kind of felt that way about Kyle right. Is that Oh, who is
he? He's not linked to anybody right? You know, we could drag
this kid through the mud. Now, if it had been like I said what
like he became from this kind of a background that the Duke
players came from the establishment media would have
had more respect for him. And and no carried a different way.
But he was looked at as an object the same way the stripper
was the same way the maybes are and this is The two level
society that we live in. Now a lot of people are looked at as
objects. And when people that don't exist in that circle that,
you know, there are somebody and I hate that word or somebody,
but when they get a taste of it, they come out with their guns a
blazing the push back against it, um, and we're gonna see that
with Finnerty family, a, just listen to how proud she is of
her son.
Hi, I'm Katie Couric Welcome to Ida I Wednesday marked the end
of a long nightmare for the families of the three former
Duke lacrosse players falsely accused of rape. Harry Smith
spoke with the parents of Colin Finnerty about their confidence
and their son's innocence, and the impact of the ordeal on
their family.
And those three boys took the microphone at that press
conference, and express themselves so eloquently in your
son. At the press conference talking about I can't think of
anything in my life that could have brought me closer. These
kinds of things, tear people apart, he says he brought my
family closer together.
He's right, though. I mean, we had a wonderful family before,
but I can't say this year has brought us closer together to
see the siblings stand by him the way they did. And his older
brothers were there for him every weekend. His younger
sisters were just an incredible amount of support. And as a
parent as parents to see that that's like all your dreams come
true. I mean, that's what family is about. And I'm so proud of
how they got through this year.
That's why they hate it hate families, cuz you can't counsel
somebody with a family.
Gosh, man, who are they Mo
is the you will say the academic elite that leans more to the
communist side. You know, I
was thinking I was thinking about this, talking about power
and structure, you know, so right now they're, you know,
Congress is arguing about what more free shit to give away more
money. Which is, there's multiple reasons for it. But
back on the table is the idea of forgiving student debt, or up to
$50,000 of student debt. And what's interesting is, in 2006,
right around this time, is when student loans started to
skyrocket backed by the federal government that, of course, is
biolegend, because of legislation, which basically is,
hey, you know, don't worry about it. We got you covered, y'all
can borrow from us. And we guarantee that that'll get, you
know, to the universities, and we'll guarantee that we get it
back. Because, you know, we're the government and we got the
army and everything and you know, you can't go bankrupt, you
can't get rid of that of that debt. And that debt now is $1.73
trillion. And that's just the student loans. So that money has
gone into the education system since 2006. One, almost two,
probably, you know, over 2 trillion trillion dollars. Holy
crap balls,
which makes Duke and schools like do even more incredibly
powerful, well, powerful, rich, rich is even more important,
because now you can get a college degree from anywhere.
The Duke brand holds or the Yale brand or the Harvard brand. They
their real degrees. And I made that statement before of my
pastor being from Duke. It wasn't this, like fly by night
school that you can get a PhD. Right? So these are it only
increases their power. Because this is why the missions is so
hard now to the getting to these schools because you can go get a
college degree from anywhere and really, it really diluted
colleges
are the are the actual stuff you learn?
Well, not the prestige of
what No, no, I'm just saying that. I was looked at a study
recently that show that people who do online courses in
colleges test better and do better on test scores than
people who attend in person on campus college.
That's why I went to class and I know I'm just
saying that's, that's what's interesting about it.
But when you have more degrees, it dilutes the meaning of go
short, of course. So of course now people are starting to check
your brain like what kind of what kind of degrees it means
something Yeah, No, and this is why they have to protect schools
like this. And this is why you've seen such a you know,
vehement pushback. Yeah, um, you know, over these lacrosse
players, it's a lot at risk. This is why the NCAA is such a
powerful Institute because they're the gatekeepers for the
entertainment of universities. I mean, who wants to go to
Alabama? If you couldn't see Bama play football? Or do play
basketball, or Michigan or Ohio State? Are these big schools?
These are the drawed. This is the entertainment draw.
And again, it's so interesting, because here is this difference
between us and cultural background? Where I don't have
any of that that was not marketed to me. I was unaware of
it. I don't know about the entertainment value. This is why
I'm I was not in the American media. You
Tito mean you teach right there, right? Yeah, I don't I don't
care. I'm just saying but you know, how you would you? I will
guess that you're aware. How big of a deal and economic generator
it is for those football games on Saturday?
Yes. So you're making my point while missing it at the same
time. My point is, it is uniquely American, how we how
the American youth and growing up experience is all geared
around this. That is unique to America, particularly with high
school sports flowing into college sports. The pep rallies
to cheerleaders. That's not Do you see cheerleaders during
World Soccer? No, no. Do you see band? Do you see a halftime with
bands and Jay Z performing?
No. But this is the vetting system? No, but
but I'm just what I'm pointing out Mo is that this is a unique
American thing. Right? This is It's fascinating to learn so
much about it during this during this show. Because you without
you knowing you're presuming things that I have absolutely no
knowledge of.
Yeah, I'm aware of that. And that's why I'm taking I'm taking
it, you know, trying to highlight the point that it's
not about the sports,
I understand. But it's it's the it's the whole package. It's the
marketing, it's this. It's the loans, it's everything.
And it's the access. Yes, of course, it has access into the
networks, of course, because if you never make it on Duke
campus, you're going to be capped. That's why
why Chris Cuomo had a job, you know, it's like this, it's like,
everybody has to be connected somehow.
Right? Because then then because the flip side of it is like, how
do I work so hard for my son to have these privileges? What do
you mean, but at the same time, they did not have privileges is
weird, right? You have a thing called Legacy students. Yeah.
Where are we like, if your parents went to that school, you
kind of like and as long as I'm saying reasonable grades, but
then I say, well, there's no privilege. What do you mean
there's no, you have actual thing called Legacy students.
You know, it's not as in it matters, I mean, these sporting
events and it's not so it's not only white institutions, but
this is the this is the know this the infrastructure. So I
guess we can move on. This is the second family to see. See,
Siegelman secret lemons. And this is part one.
Your son's mug shot was out there, he was shown walking with
handcuffs. How do you get past that? I
will never get past that. I won't. It'll it will be forever
etched in my mind. And but the one thing that helps me deal
with it is that when he stepped out of that police car, he stood
up tall. He put his shoulders back, and I knew he was going to
be okay that day. I was home watching it on TV, because I had
to stay home with my other boys. And my husband was with the and
Reid had begged me Please mom, they've already told us they're
going to handcuff us so please, I don't want you to watch and I
found my younger son crying in front of the TV watching it and
I was horrified. But when I saw Reid step out, and he just stood
so tall and proud and I I knew he was going to be fine.
Would you ring your bell on
the fact that he put his shoulders back chest out? And
when I look I'm gonna take this cake you're saying I'm gonna
face this like a man and that's what's missing. Ah Oftentimes
when we're the victims and I say we the black quote unquote
community or victims of crimes, we already apologize and and
want to have peace. You know, that's that corrupt thing like,
oh, we just want to get along with everybody. I know you
killed my child, but I just want to get along. Like these kids.
They were like, geez, they stuck their chest out was like, Nope,
we're going down like that. But they're backed by family. Right?
See, that's the power. And that's what drives the left hand
side. The, the liberal was crazy. It's just like the
smugness about it. But when you got family backing you up? You
know, you feel 10 feet tall.
Oh, that's true. That's absolutely true.
Yeah, and you hear it, she said, I was, I was worried about my
son's house on standing like a man. And I knew he was gonna be
alright, so that's that that's the patriarchy. That's what
that's the desktop bogged down. imagery of the baker patriarchy
is like, you can't crack me. You know, and this is very personal
to me, because you can't break me. You feel upset? Like, what
are you going to do? To me? They're like this whole job
situation. Okay, take your job. What are you gonna do? Ego crack
me? Because I was raised by me and like we You see, turn on my
father, you're saying a whole host of like, I don't like
talking about this stuff too much. But pastors in and out my
house all the time eaten dinner? Mm hmm. Like, I mean, I was
privy to, you know, a very influential social circle. Just
to see it work.
And it shows Wow. And it shows.
That's why when I walk into a room is confidence. Um, and it
can be off putting the people because they want you to be in
sir. Oh, you're awful confident for a black guy. You know, they
don't say that. But it's basically all your different
people, but people didn't know, other people, black people out
there know, when you hear you're different. You know what that
means? Like, you don't fit the calculation I have for you. And
it's not negative. It's just that you don't meet the
expectations. And that's goes back to what Jalen Rose felt
about Grant Hill. You know, he, I don't need to show off my
skill speaks for itself. These are the kinds of things that you
know, are embedded by the patriarch by a patriarchal, not
the patriarchy, but by a patriarchal society that teaches
you this and not, nothing can break. Nothing can break you in
mass. And I found that clip to be amazing that to say when I
saw my son, even though he was in handcuffs, you stand tall.
And we're the victims of things and we always apologize and say,
Oh, we just want to get along. We forgive we forget, no, stop
forgiving and forgetting. get blurred. And what I mean by blue
is I want you to listen to what they said they want it I this
whole situation for how their sons were created was treated.
today's press conference by the Attorney General was a dramatic,
really a stunning repudiation of Michael knife on the prosecutor.
If you had a chance to say something to Mr. Knife on today,
what would it be?
What he did, and the fraud, which he perpetuated for nearly
a year? Was it all that important to be the district
attorney of Durham, North Carolina, to throw three kids to
the wolves, ruin their lives, ruin their family's lives all
for what? For what? I'll never understand. never understand
what you'd like him to say to you.
He's sorry. Not that that will ever help how I feel. I would
like to know that this can never happen again to anyone. It's a
horrifying thing. When you see your child when you know that
your son can be put in jail for something he didn't do. And it
is out of your control. And you can't protect him from someone
that you know is lying and fabricating stories about him
and and i i want this man to say that he will never ever allow
something like this to happen again. And I mean, I would like
him to say I resign is what I'd like him to say. Would you like
him
to be disbarred? Yes. Which charges file?
Yes, yes.
Yeah, it's different. Yeah. Oh, Are the cops shoes? We heard the
family that were victims is I'm sorry. We just want to forgive.
I forgive them today. They shot my son. I forgave him. No, no,
no, no, no, it's a lot different when you mess with real citizens
This is how citizens carry it out. No, I want his job. I want
them disbarred. I want him in jail. I want him to apologize.
They had a list of demands. They weren't just happy for their son
to be free. We got to stop moving and when I say we, I mean
talking about everybody now this this is how we get in the
position that we're in now. Where people tell us what to do.
No, we got to start saying what we want upfront
everybody and that's especially men
right because you heard you heard what she said and you know
and guess what she got what she wanted
yep God's gonna say that's this type of thinking my experience
is get you what you want. You know if the grass grows where
you water it if you focus on something that you know, way
where you focus is what's going to happen. It's just always that
way.
The NS what people had to start realizing not you cow town, and
bending down I mean, that gets you more of that. Get you more
boot. That's what
gets you more boot. Beautiful.
Prosecutor in the failed Duke lacrosse rape case has been
disbarred over his handling of the matter. Mike knife honks at
stoically as a three member panel from the North Carolina
State Bar lectured him on what they called his selfish
prosecution of three lacrosse players who were falsely accused
of raping a stripper. We can draw no other conclusion
but that those initial statements that he made to
further his political ambitions
at the time when the case broken iPhone was in a tight race for
reelection. He won that contest but the rape case was falling
apart. He later let the state attorney general handle the
matter and he dismissed all charges saying the players were
innocent. The players are all in the courtroom for the hearing
and had a subdued celebration at the end. More years representing
the players a plot of the decision district and iPhones
law license and say anyone paying attention to the case new
knife on never had a chance to convicting the players.
This story was simply a hoax.
Friday knife on told the panel he was planning on resigning his
position and on Saturday, his lawyer said nightlong himself
thought he should be disbarred and added he won't appeal the
ruling. However the lawyers representing the players say
they see little honor and those moves. My
initial feeling was that I've been at executions. And it was
kind of like the day before you're executed if you cut up
the sheet and hang yourself so you're in control of your own
destiny.
Lawyers for the players say they are considering seeking criminal
contempt charges against an iPhone and even suggested asking
for a federal civil rights investigation into his actions.
Gosh, man, I mean, you've got a guy running for reelection. I've
been I've been searching for some kind of Soros connection it
just reeks of Soros and an A da electro electoral campaign. I
mean, it's crazy. The parallel
right and he you heard what they said even though he resigned No,
we want we want you to do we want your job. We want silver
and it was just all gas no brakes. It well it wasn't enough
and they even dragged him out and made him apologize to the
boys as well. Mm hmm. Yeah, he had to know a man now No, get me
wrong. He only did like a day in jail. All the stuff he
did like literally one day it literally was one day I think.
How does that work? How did you How do you rig a case up against
I just something special about this case? To the fact that you
only do a day in jail. I'm nightfall has some friends hired
to pull that one off to me because even he they couldn't
get him thrown in jail. Um, but you see what they did they made
or they drag them out. I made him apologize. You want to
listen to that apology right quick? Yeah.
Do you have it? Oh, yeah, here. Yeah, you got it.
For the last 16 months proven to be a difficult and painful
journey for my family and for myself. I know this has also
been a difficult and painful journey for Reid Seligman,
called infinity and David Evans, for their families, for Durham
for the state of North Carolina. We all need to heal. I believe,
however, that this healing process cannot truly began until
all proceedings involving this matter. are concluded and
everyone is able to go forward. I have resigned my position as
drums district attorney as a part of this process. I have
read the report released by the attorney general, including his
recitation of evidence that I did not have evidence he
obtained from his own investigation. I agree with the
attorney general statement that there is no credible evidence
that Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnerty or Mr. Evans, committed in
either crimes for which they were indicted, or any other
crimes against Miss Michael, during the party that occurred
on March 13 and 14th 2006, at 610, North Buchanan Boulevard
interim. Mr. Solomon, Mr. Finnerty and Mr. Evans, were
entitled to the presumption of innocence when they were under
indictment. Surely they are entitled to more than that now,
as they go forward with the rest of their lives. And that is what
the attorney general tried to give them in his declaration
that they are innocent. I have admitted on more than one
occasion that I have made mistakes in the prosecution of
these cases. For that I sincerely apologize to Mr.
Seligman. Mr. Finnerty Mr. Evans, and to their families. It
is my hope that all of us can learn from the mistakes for this
case, that all of us can begin to move forward. It is my hope
that we can start this process today. Thank you. Yeah,
yes, we want to move forward.
Keith the rain right. Here's the rain.
It was D so he conspired with the with the DNA lab technician
Yes. And not disclose all of the information
and set up rigged up a a we call it the lineups Oh yeah. Do a day
in jail. So this is what we start talking about white
privilege. Yeah, this is what we're talking about. Now. How is
it that you can do all of that you want to spend a day in jail?
That That doesn't make any sense to me. Oh,
no, but this Yeah, I mean, we know the system is not right.
If it wasn't right i mean like i said every this goes to show you
that even steel they wouldn't do him all the way dirty like they
could they made they wet they made him go out there and
apologize to the to the young man that was involved right we
don't see that you're saying in most cases when someone's wrong
I still like extend apology yet to cow
Good luck with that.
Know what see that goes to show you is different levels. Yeah,
it's different level you know, when you mess with Smite the
wrong kids. You have this? You know, yeah, you
gotta go out there. You gotta you gotta kneel and apologize
and do all kinds of stuff. Well, yeah, rightly so.
So these last three clips, you're saying we play them and
we'll but this wraps up what happened to the accuser, and
this is this is a true tragedy. Um, she ended up writing a book,
and she's still in her mind thinks that she's a victim.
who accused three Duplo cross players of rape is still
insisting she was attacked. She makes the claim in a new memoir,
Crystal Magnum appeared publicly Thursday for the first time
since making the allegations more than two years ago.
No one deserves to be sexually assaulted, regardless of their
profession, or regardless of what they have done. I'm a real
person. I have feelings. I'm not just an exotic dancer. I'm not
just someone who tried to frame someone who was innocent of
sexual assault. My only intentions were for justice. And
I want to justice for myself.
She says in her book that she's not looking forward to opening
old wounds, but that she had to defend herself. Prosecutors
determined that her accusations against the three players were
false. And her renewed allegations are triggering a
threat of a lawsuit from the family of one of the exonerated
players. The book is available online. Magnum wouldn't answer
questions about details of the case at the news conference,
John Belmont, the Associated Press
went when did this book come out?
Just came out, I think and oh, no, I don't want to say okay, it
was yours. It was years after the case. So I think some book
company probably saw Oh, this would be a seller, for people
that still want to believe that something nefarious went on that
night. So they I don't think they looked at her best interest
in heart or had our best interests at heart.
Well, here's, here's a couple $1,000 advance and you'll never
hear from us again. That's how that's how those book deals
work.
Yep. And then we have more in the book deal if you want to
listen to During
the last time the public saw crystal Mangum, she quietly
fingered three Duke lacrosse players in this video tape photo
lineup. Two years later, she walked back into the spotlight
to promote her new book.
The Duke lacrosse case will never define who I am. I'm a
proud mother of three wonderful children. I graduated from
college with honors. The last dance for grace is a story about
my life.
The last dance for grace according to Mangum is her story
a woman with a troubled past whom by her own account, was
raped three times twice as a teenager and then again as an
exotic dancer in March 2006.
Yes, I am. I am still claiming that sexual assault happened
but mainly I'm stopped short of commenting on former da Mike my
farm the prosecutor accused of withholding DNA evidence in the
case that was later dismissed by the state attorney general, do
you believe that we sell in color generally and David Evans
were innocent?
I have no comments about the details of the case. However, I
do talk about a little bit about it in the last sense for grace.
But I have no comment.
And Mangum caution, according to her team of advisers is partly
because of the threat of potential lawsuits. Her side of
the story they say has been kept from the public. They claim at
least two networks that failed to air interviews with Mangum.
This photo of CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien and Mangum was provided
to Eyewitness News.
Oh, man,
everybody uses a woman up.
Well, did you know how it ends with her?
Do you want to share it with people? Number 40? No,
okay, cuz I was just looking at the page. I'm like, Oh, my
goodness.
Well, the woman who was at the center of the false rape
allegations that were brought against three Duke University
athletes may now be facing a murder charge. Earlier this
month, the police arrested crystal Magnum for stabbing her
boyfriend in the kitchen with a knife. Now we've learned that
that victim has died. In that case, prosecutors say that they
will likely charge Magnum with murder. Back in 2006. As you may
remember, this story went on for months and months, she accused
three Duke lacrosse players of raping her and an Off Campus
Party. Those charges were later shown to be false. And the
charges against those three men were dropped.
And here's the kicker. She argued in that particular charge
second degree murder after she stabbed her boyfriend. And he
died. She argued she acted in self defense. Fearing that he
would kill her. She got sentenced 14 to 18 years.
true tragedy.
Yeah. And you think, you know, did she really have the Did she
really have the defense that money could have bought her for
a self defense defense? Right? I know. It's exactly the point. I
got it. That's why I thought it was a cool kicker.
And this goes to show you what the black doctor were saying
earlier about mental health. Nobody sought to get this woman
that help that she needed. And she ended up just being a harm
to someone else and taking someone else's life. They just
saw her as an object to for political gain. I put up
football. Um, and they've just dumped it to the side. And in,
she end up taking another person's life.
So how do you wrap this up Mo? What's our takeaway? What are we
going to do? I don't know if I can sleep right now.
You know, what we have to do is we had to pay attention to these
previous cases like this. Because if we looked at this a
month ago, we probably could have saw what was going to
happen in other cases. And there's another case out there
lingering about a race hoax that we need to pay attention to
because there's VAs involved,
mostly most most years smaller.
Yes.
This Yeah. Oh, it's good. It's so deep. If anything really
comes to the surface, it's gonna be dynamite. But
I'm just waiting. Just waiting. We will talk about that case.
And I got to give people a quick history that we talked about Moe
facts. This was more of a historical episode about most
tracks. If there was no Jesse Smollett, there might not be a
more fact. Ooh. Now, I'll tell people later how that connects.
When I do the Jesse Smollett case, but I'll leave it as a
cliffhanger for people. But yes,
well Moe, happy birthday man. I'm glad I'm glad you did this
show it was personal it sounded personal educated me much more
than you probably could have expected just a lot of things as
I already explained and is a very good background or and is
now has me laser focused on the entire educational system being
kind of ground zero of all of this stuff.
That's the takeaway right there. That's
Ground Zero, man ground zero.
We thought it was the press. But we see now from this case, the
press takes their signals from academia and the alumni and it's
an it's a, it's there. Often they are the alumnus. Yes.
Unbelievable. All right. I'm energized now.
There we go. We have we have someone that we have some people
to keep an eye on. But as I always say, pay attention to
everything and the true reveal itself.
And make sure that you check out the last tapes which will be
next Wednesday and we back the Wednesday after that with
another episode of MO facts with Adam curry. Moe Have yourself a
great week and happy birthday again brother. Thank you, Adam.
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