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More facts with Adam curry for
December 8 2021. This is episode

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number 72. We are back once
again. It's Wednesday. You know

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what it's time for us right? I'm
Adam curry coming to you from

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the heart of Texas Hill Country
time once again to spin the

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Wheel of topics. All the way to
Northern Virginia. Please say

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hello to my friend on the other
end ladies and gentlemen, Mr.

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Moe facts I don't know I'm
great. It's so good to talk to

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you. We barely speak anymore.

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That's what happens. We have a
shutter run man, this busy,

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busy,

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busy. I don't know what you're
cooking there in the back

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office. But yours. I think
you're awful busy. You're doing

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a lot of stuff.

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Very busy. Producers are sending
value in all kinds of ways. It's

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exciting new chapter. And
speaking of new chapters, I just

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had a birthday.

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Yes. And of course, as your good
friend. I completely forgot

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about it. And I think I got your
day and a half late.

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You got me early for the next.

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Yes, so was this 41 for you now?
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41

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You'll never catch up to me. Did
you get anything good? Any any

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any cool presence?

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I got a lot of love from the
facts family. From the real

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family as well. Favorite food.
Everybody got together and I I'm

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going out of town to see my mom
and pops here. So it's gonna be

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a birthday week kind of thing.

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Oh, nice. All right. So does
that mean there'll be a

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postponement on the Lost Tapes
for next next Wednesday? Oh, no.

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No

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postponements. Okay, dynamite
Wednesday, eight o'clock, set it

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on your calendar, set it on
everything was the eight

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o'clock.

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That's right. And and we should
be able to get the video into

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the podcast feed by the next
time we have lost tapes, which

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will work with any of the new
podcast apps and new podcast

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apps calm. Alright, Mo I am
super excited. Of course, once

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again, I have no idea what we're
going to do today. But should I

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just spin the wheel?

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Well, I like to say something
for we spin the wheel. Since

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it's my birthday. And we're
gonna start a tradition. This is

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the second year of this. My
birthday show is something that

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I always want to work on. It's
not going to be timely in the

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you know, current event kind of
thing. Kind of like a trappers

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delight. That was another
birthday show. Um, but hopefully

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people I hope people enjoy the
topic and you can go and spin

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the wheel.

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All right, I love trappers like
can't wait to see what we have

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for the show topic for episode
number 72 of moe facts with Adam

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curry. Let's see what we got the
topic for today's episode is

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being Black can be bad for your
health.

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Okay, what a birthday show Happy
Birthday. All right.

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So for this show, we got to talk
about the Duke lacrosse case,

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which is not timely at all.

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No, that's from oh gosh, that's
from How long ago

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2016 May 2006. Excuse me. So
we're looking at 15 years old.

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Um, but the reason why I want to
talk about this is for two

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reasons. One, the cow
Rittenhouse Rittenhouse case

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sparked a lot of memories about
that case. Mm hmm. Oh, with the

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prosecutor playing all kinds of
tricks, how would the race

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aspect of it? So it just brought
it up in my mind? And I think

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it'd be cool to discuss it. So
we kind of do

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whatever you want. Yeah, I'm
trying. I'm sure it's not just a

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throwaway topic. I'm sure
there's a lot to unpack here.

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I hope so. So let's go ahead and
get into it. And number two

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fascinate fantastic lives.

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Can play more than basketball
down in dorm folks? Lacrosse

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players were cool kids. Good
looking big. They were tough.

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And they were offensive ultra
aggressive, ultra focused. It's

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golf culture with an attitude.

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They were very popular athletes.
Their attendance at parties was

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a big deal. They ran and they
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most of the kids are from the
northeast. From well established

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families

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I think the kids all want a
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if we're good enough, you know,
we're good enough. And I think

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our guys are good enough.

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We knew that this team was going
places. That's why everyone was

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so looking forward to the
following year. But they also

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understood that, you know, it's
not that easy to get to redo it,

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you did to repeat. You had these
were athletes who knew what it

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was like that one little thing
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Do we need to explain for people
who may not be familiar with the

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Duke lacrosse case, that kind of
an outline of what was going on?

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Yes. So in 2006, the nation was
rocked quote unquote, by

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allegations of three Duke
lacrosse players had raped a

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woman named crystal Mangum at an
Off Campus Party. And the wheels

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of justice set in place similar
in the case like the Rittenhouse

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case, that they had to have
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that's how they refer to these
young men. And that's why it

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came up in my memory. And as I
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this seems a lot like the witch
hunt that happened with

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Rittenhouse. How they were
already guilty. No, in a court

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court of public opinion. So what
I want to do is just like draw

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some highlights there. I think
that's the first time we really

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saw the council cannon come out.
The woke culture in the

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university was 2006. Here was it

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rolling stone that wrote the
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when you're thinking about the
Virginia that you think about

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this is the this is the
predecessor to that right.

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Right. Right. Right. Right.
Yeah. So when after that. So

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what you're referring to is the
Virginia UVA. Yeah, the right

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culture there. And this predates
that. And this was like on the

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heels of Katrina. So race
tensions were very high

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as in the current frame that
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frame that. Okay. Yes.

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So I just want to show if we
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attention, then we could kind of
see what will happen now in the

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Rittenhouse case, but I also
want to show that money and

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power this case didn't even you
know, get the wheels going on it

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because it got shut down real
quick. But it was powers that be

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that wanted to give you oxygen
for a political political game

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and Social Change Game. So
there's a lot here.

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Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready for
the ride.

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Okay, so just to give you an
example what how the media? That

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was a I'm sorry, these were
three white guys. Right. Let's

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just make sure three three white
guys and raped a black girl.

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Yes. Okay. Very important for
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important. And Anna, half and
half city called Durham. Okay,

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let me get like, I'm glad you
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live. I live in Durham. So I
experienced this boots on the

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ground. You were that you were
living there when this took

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place? Yes, I was 25 years old
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Durham. Um, so it opened my eyes
to how certain things work as a

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young man.

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Yeah, this is this is good for
context. Now I understand why

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it's your birthday show.

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Yes, it's gonna be a lot of
personal context in this because

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I am a Duke basketball fan. So
that plays a part in and we're

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going to get into the whole Duke
University Duke culture kind of

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thing, how to look that it's a
lot here for me personally. So

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that's why I want to make it as
a birthday. So So I think it's

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very apropos to do this. So
moving back to the clips. This

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is an example of the anti Duke
media and I want you to listen

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and just mentally compare it to
what we heard about Rittenhouse.

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That's going to be on a jury
now. That's right and diamonds

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handed down arrests made on at
least two young men. We're

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expecting yet a third invite
indictment in the Duke lacrosse

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rape scandal. Let's go straight
to Clark girlband our producer

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producer What can you tell me
about these two young men?

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They come from some nice homes
in the shadow of New York City

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dance. Let's first start with
cars. Lynn's home, it's in

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garden.

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I'm sorry. When did you get on
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defendant and a first and I had
a rape case or not? Okay, let's,

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Mr. finners. Go ahead.

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Mr. Finnerty His home is
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About the family, why don't you
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million. What does that mean?
How much their house is worth?

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where he comes from? And Garden
City, New York. Your point is,

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you would be interested in their
backgrounds. We have a rich, is

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that what you're telling me?
Well, I'm telling you, they do

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have some nice homes. Nancy, and
we also have one from Reed

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Seligman. His comes in at about
$1,300,000. A very nice area as

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well. Okay, what is that it's
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Manhattan on the Jersey side. So
let's take a look at the house

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of the parents of the alleged
victim. Their home comes into

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Right? Wait, are you trying to
say that the victim is going to

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be outgunned by money in court?

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I'm not trying to say anything,
Nancy, I'm letting the stats

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make sure the stats are

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doing the talking. Wow, she's
pretty blatant. It sounds that

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will sound a scripted, though.

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If she was being sarcastic way
for a reason to say.

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They're rich, right? Okay.

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So she was being it was built,
this clip was built this whole I

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got a set of clips is built
around sarcasm, but got it. It's

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a reason why she's doing this to
say, oh, you know, they're gonna

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get off. And I want to make like
something right up front here.

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The thing was the thought, when
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this case, is they're gonna get
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known to two things to be true.
This is one of those cases. That

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one, the feeling that they're
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what happens. Has nothing to do
if they were guilty or not. Does

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that make sense? Yeah, no, I,

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of course, I totally agree. I
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was in the United States. So
yeah, I recall this Sure.

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Whether they're guilty or not,
they're gonna get off. And

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that's what really rubbed a lot
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black people the wrong way.
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dude. You know, they always get
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the culture of do a lot of that
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team. We might talk about that a
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like that. That's the thing that
rich, white cross playing. Do

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players are trying to get off
regardless, interestingly,

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now 2006 You said? Hmm. So I I
was really busy, you know, with

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podcasting, building podcasting.
1.0. But I do remember the case.

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And what is interesting as I was
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maybe headline but just like,
just whatever trickled through

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completely focus on something
else. What I do not remember, is

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the victim being black.

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Yes, that's your whole that was
the whole linchpin in the case.

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I don't I do not remember that.
That didn't get through. It

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wasn't communicated. Of course,
I wasn't doing media

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deconstruction at the time.

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Alright. And that's the thing is
kind of cool that we get to look

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back at this K. Yeah. Which no
other podcasts probably never

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gonna talk about, again, maybe
until like, five years from now

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when it's like the 20th
anniversary, but we beat him to

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so you but also what, what
podcasts would have to host

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saying, hey, remember that Duke
case? Yeah. Yeah. What? I don't

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remember her being blackout.
Right? No one would remember

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that. No one would even think to
talk about it that way.

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And the fact that I like said, I
lived in Durham, I was a huge,

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I'm a huge basketball fan. So it
had a certain in certain

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connotations to being a Duke
fan, which we'll get into as

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well. So I'm so guess we're
going and getting the numbers

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for people that people know this
is Nancy Grace, if you didn't

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catch her voice, and this is
part two of that clip.

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Okay, and let me throw a stab at
you. Okay, faults, rate

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reporting, false sense of self
salt reporting is somewhere

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between the low numbers of two
and 8%. Okay, so you can roll

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all that money together? And it
means not a hill of beans. In my

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assessment of this case? Are you
saying they're gonna hire high

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priced lawyers? Is that where
you're going?

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No, I'm not going anywhere. I
have some more stats. To look at

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the incomes of these three towns
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are from in Garden City, it's
around 100,000 nest expels about

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150, which is very, very high in
the United States. And in

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Durham, North Carolina. $43,000.
And lastly, where they went to

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school if you're interested,
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clock in at about $23,000 each.
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victim went. It's free.

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I want to go to Stephen Miller
with Ed Conservative Union.

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Stephen Miller. What's yours?
spots are the indictments handed

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down in the arrests?

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Well, I think I speak for many
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very, very concerned that two
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Is this Stephen Miller? The the
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administration? Yes. Yes.
Interesting. What? What outfit

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was he with here? Let me see
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the Duke something is something
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students something? I'm sorry.
Um, I didn't catch that you

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Maybe? I'm gonna go back a
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thought was interesting that
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role is kind of cool. It's

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free. I

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want to go to Stephen Miller
with a D Conservative Union.

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Deep Conservative Union.
Conservative. How do

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Conservative Union? Yes. Okay.
Got it. Stephen Miller.

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What's your response to the
indictments handed down in the

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arrests?

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I think I speak for many
students, when I say that we're

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very, very concerned that two
innocent people may have

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possibly just ever lives ruined.
You're saying it's not possible.

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They're innocent. That's not
even in the realm of possibility

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possible. But a grand jury has
heard evidence and deems fit to

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go to a trial. And we're saying
that ever hearing what the

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victim has to say, you're saying
the great I'm not saying? I'm

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not saying I'm convinced at all.
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innocent people. I

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said, I didn't say that. I said
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possible that two innocent
people may have had their lives

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ruined, because this case does
have many irregularities and

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many inconsistencies. Esther

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ah ha going to you ever sister.
Oh, man, lo Are you?

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Are you seeing the parallels
now?

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Yeah, this is very, this was a
yes. It's I love seeing this

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media job. Although, of course
back in the day, it was only HLN

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headline news that that would do
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it's just everybody.

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Well, there were some big heavy
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anything, but there was some
heavy hitters that jumped on the

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Duke is Duke lacrosse players is
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Oh, lots of people. Sure. Yeah.

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So that's the crazy thing about
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the first time you really saw
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shots at his own school and the
media to you know, you're guilty

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for white men to say you're
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this this was not really seen
before. And this is a very well

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how does that tell you're going

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to head there Ever Had there
been anything like this or

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similar since Tawana Brawley in
the in the 80s in New York?

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No, no Hatton. And that's the
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This is that time when? No, in
most cases, this case would have

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been okay the cop show up listen
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guys go ahead and shut the party
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And it would never been heard
of. But there were political

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motives and social motives at
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patriarchy. So this was like the
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patriarchy and family and that
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Yeah. And that literal
patriarchy sounds like.

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Yes. And you heard what she
said, Who cares about what two

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innocent guys? You know, it's
about what the victim and yeah,

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this, this plays into what you
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case. That's what this was the
root of that. of the college

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campus rape culture kind of
thing. Oh, right. Right. Right.

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The rape culture that yes, I
remember now. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yep. So this is this. This is
the this is the big daddy of

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them all. I guess we can go
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now,

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because this case does have many
irregularities and many

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inconsistencies. Yes, I do. But
I would appreciate it.

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I mean, got a mother. I mean,
what your first concern is that

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somebody is falsely accused
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Don't tell me what my first
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out of your mouth. Maybe I'm
crazy. I don't wear hearing.

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That was my first concern when I
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was that a innocent woman had
been raped. That was the first

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thing that came to my mind. But
as the facts start to come out,

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there was many irregularities
and inconsistencies that

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troubled me like many other
people, you've talked on the

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show about how she had bruises
on her the day after, but a

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photo before before the alleged
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bruises and open sores on her
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Newsweek says at 1203 Yeah, what
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that in the report, it says that
there already bruises at 12 we

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get another

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reaction from Monica Johnson
Hossler, the executive director

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of North Carolina coalition
against sex assault, your

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response I think what I would
say to this, Nancy is and as Dr.

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Baker spoke to earlier, that
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oftentimes the story would seem,
as Mr. Miller just stated,

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irregular, inconsistent. And I
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story often comes back to the
victim in pieces. Because as Dr.

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Baker Baker always also said,
that it's something that you

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don't necessarily want to call
recall and talk about at that

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point. So I think that's the
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this case is we shouldn't use
the word irregular, or it

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changes but really think to the
fact that this is something that

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people are asking over and over
again, the sexual assault nurse

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examiner, law enforcement, her
parents, her family, everybody

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wants to know what's happened.

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Man, so yeah, so they had it out
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Duke is the epitome of
whiteness. Um, and what I mean

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by whiteness is the Wasp aspect
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posture, male Sure. The way Duke
got his money off of tobacco and

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other things that we're gonna
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is very problematic. Mo. Yeah,
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perfect and people hate do I
mean, if there's a literal hate,

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for do?

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Okay, so this has to be some
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gonna, I'm just gonna jump
ahead.

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Yeah, I mean, we're not gonna
it's not gonna do spoilers not

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gonna be an outcome of the case,
because the case is 15 years old

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people know how it ends? Yeah,
sure. It was the it was the,

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when you look back through it
now through the 2021 lens. And

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what we've seen now you look at
this case, it's like, oh, yeah,

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this was clearly your set like
you're you are you rip it out?

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And this is, this is a setup,
because he's not there.

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Do we need to? For people who
don't know living in different

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countries? Do we need to talk
about the outcome? So they have

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that for the context? Or is it
okay, just to go forward?

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Well, this next clip jumps
forward, okay, this in close to

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modern day times. So it will
explain what happened in the

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case, Aleksei you big got off,
let me just say that right now,

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they got off, and rightfully so.
But this is Nancy Grace. And

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she's gonna be called to how she
held a case, by Jim Norton and

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Sam Roberts.

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I never dreamed growing up on a
dirt road in the middle of

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nowhere, as some people would
say that I would ever have a

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show on HLN. So it was beyond
anything I'd ever really dreamed

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of.

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Did you get it? Did they ask you
to leave? Or did you want to

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leave? I wouldn't

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say that I wanted to leave. I
felt like it was the right time

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for me to leave. Because I'm
leaving behind a lot that I'm

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going to I want to get.

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I had like, well, I'll be
honest, I had a problem with you

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for a long time, because I felt
like you were capitalizing on

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tragedies. And I'm sure you were
accused of that before where

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were you capitalizing on this
stuff?

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As a crime victim myself, I
guess it's the way you look at

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the world. I invite crime
victims on and tell stories from

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their point of view, I help find
missing people and help solve

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unsolved homicides. So what I we
tried to do is take a story. And

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I bought this really from my law
school days, where I would have

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to condense a very difficult and
convoluted case into something

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simple, and did with juries to
break down complicated and

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convoluted facts and give it to
them. 123. That's how I look at

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cases, I usually come up with a
moniker and for whatever case it

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is, it could be the scenario, it
could be the defendant, and

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that's what I call it.

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And then do we have to ask you
what to do grape case? Because

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you know, look, I underst I
thought those guys were probably

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guilty too. When I first saw
that they didn't look it didn't

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look good. But then you would
have been pretty hard and and

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Mike Nifong got. I guess he was
just barred. And you didn't? Or

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did you come on and clear it up?
And I just thought it was well,

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if you

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read the transcripts before you
asked me the question. There was

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no point that I ever said these
guys are guilty, although it's

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been commonly and very happily
portrayed that I did.

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Wow. I'm thinking to Nancy Grace
could be a pretty good

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propaganda agent.

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She is I mean, you heard what
she said. She says she's able to

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boil down boil it

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down to 3123. Boom, you got a
jury? Yeah, that's a skill

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casting spells. That's that's an
example of casting spells. And

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then she says that, oh, she grew
up on a poor dirt road. Now,

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this plays into the fact that
this could be the source of hate

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that she had for dude. And he's
pretty These are the dude, these

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Duke lacrosse players were like
the epitome of preppy douchebag

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cocky jerks kind of thing. You
know what I mean? Like they were

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the epitome of that. And you
heard what she says she grew up

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on our poor dirt road. So as you
saw this endurance live in

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Macon, Georgia. Yeah. So yeah,
but you saw this living in

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Durham that a lot of people that
went to Duke came from up north

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out of New York, as you heard
what the three guys that he laid

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out where they were from there
in the, in the state of New

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York, rich, kind of, you know,
like, say, waspy people that

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come down south for the Southern
Living. So they're not natural

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to that geographic area. So
there's always going to be

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conflict between the local white
people and the Duke students.

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Oh, yeah. No, I thought this is
great context. I had no idea. I

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don't know anything about Nancy
Grace. Yeah, so I shoot now I'm

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looking at it now.

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So when she led off with that I
grew up in a poor dirt road.

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That was her. I believe that was
part of her motive. Like these

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rich, no preppy, right.

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Wow. Yeah, that's totally makes
sense with the first clip where

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she's like, Oh, no, don't tell
me. Yeah, okay. Got it. Yeah.

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And then the fact like says, she
says she can No, boil it down to

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two or three words. That's why
we saw the Kenosha kid. We see

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the kind of thing and we see
these types of things now that

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play out where they just boil
down.

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To 2123. Braces, Kid douchebag.
No, good. Guilty.

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Yep. So that mean, just to give
it context, and you heard her,

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um, this she said she didn't
ever say that they were guilty.

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But in the previous clip, she
said false. Rape victims only

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say that I mean, are only occur,
like maybe 8% of the time, the

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number she threw out there.
Yeah. So she said, nine, there's

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only 90% chance they're guilty.
That's what she the way she put

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that. But I know

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a lot of people who would do
stuff like that, and do put in a

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little tricky words, as I'm
looking at you divorce, little

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tricky words and come back. And
they're like, no, no, no, no, I

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never said that. Okay.

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Give yourself out. She gave
herself she never said it. Um,

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and you said, she said, read the
transcripts. She never said it.

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But she also floated the idea
that they were guilty. He said,

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Who cares about these innocent
kids? You know, that kind of

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thing. She said, You're gonna
lead with two innocent people,

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which is a br Laurier. I was
spent more from her, because she

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said that she went to law
school. So I think there should

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be the first thing in being a
lawyer. But that goes to show

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you these people don't care
anything about law and justice

443
00:27:49,379 --> 00:27:52,049
mean, they don't care about law.
They care about justice. And as

444
00:27:52,049 --> 00:27:57,089
we said that justice is not what
they what we term it's also with

445
00:27:57,089 --> 00:27:57,659
equity,

446
00:27:57,930 --> 00:28:04,050
with respect to lawyers, people
who have studied law and and

447
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:07,830
it's easy for people to hate
lawyers, which but I don't I

448
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:11,010
have many of my friends are
lawyers. But the it's like

449
00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:13,350
you're blessed. Many of my
friends are black. And many of

450
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:20,700
my friends are lawyers. I'm so
blessed. Yes. No, but if you

451
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:24,570
look at who's on television, if
you look at who's in Congress

452
00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:29,520
now that's changing is a hell.
Just a heck of a lot of lawyers.

453
00:28:30,090 --> 00:28:33,150
Almost prerequisite almost.
Yeah, yeah. You have to study

454
00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:37,140
law. And and I'm always amazed
that Fox Can I always find the

455
00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:39,870
hot looking lawyers. That's
that's the thing that always

456
00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:45,270
amazes me. But yeah, is you have
to have a law degree and that

457
00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:47,760
it's like just you're just
learning. But you know, some

458
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,080
special language and you know,
some certain certain things by

459
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,570
heart and you understand some
principles, and then you're good

460
00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:56,580
to go. You're in a whole
different atmosphere, a whole

461
00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:57,720
different stratosphere.

462
00:28:59,550 --> 00:29:02,880
Where the problem with law is
you should be no, whatever the

463
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,840
facts say. But, like with
journalism that we're seeing,

464
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,780
everything becomes opinion,
exact. Now, it's about a period

465
00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:13,440
and it's what we saw Nancy
Grace, it was about opinion. Um,

466
00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:20,640
so yeah, so they got the the
guys got off, I guess this would

467
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,400
be a good time to get some of
the details of the case before

468
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,760
we move forward. Okay, just to
let you know what we're always

469
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,730
hearing on the ground because I
was hearing this from local

470
00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:33,210
news. Just wake up in the
morning, get ready for work. And

471
00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:37,140
this is the news story that we
kind of heard. And it was

472
00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:43,950
basically when it first hit. It
was that she was raped by 20

473
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:47,820
lacrosse players, right. That
was the rumor on the street. I

474
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:51,360
mean, that I'm just giving you
what was going around town that

475
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,200
she was raped, raped by 20
lacrosse players, including a

476
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:01,860
broom handle. Um, so everything
was in Since and inflamed Wow,

477
00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:04,440
but that wasn't reported on the
radio that was just the word on

478
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,010
the street.

479
00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:08,250
Well it was kind of alluded to
because there's some there's

480
00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:13,470
some facts to each individual
thing I pointed out because her

481
00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:18,120
original claim was that she was
attacked by 20 guys and then she

482
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,750
bought it down to three and
there was some kind of

483
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,680
altercation between her and she
was another stripper there with

484
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,800
her behind just okay let me back
it up a little bit just common

485
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,210
assume nobody knows everything
No, sir. So alright, so what

486
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:37,080
happened was the lacrosse
players wanted to have a party.

487
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:42,510
They caught up a escort service
order to white strippers, and

488
00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:45,690
they got a black and a half, you
know, an a black and half black.

489
00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:49,680
So I mean, that kind of ruined
their party, because they were

490
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,130
looking for, you know, white
girls. So the black girls come

491
00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:57,420
there, Miss Mangum, the one that
gives a be an accuser. She's

492
00:30:57,420 --> 00:31:01,050
high and drunk when she shows
up. There's a confrontation

493
00:31:01,050 --> 00:31:05,670
between her and the players and
then the other stripper and the

494
00:31:05,670 --> 00:31:09,750
players about penis size and
they're being too small, that

495
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:13,590
kind of thing and one of the
players brandishes a broomstick

496
00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:17,160
and suggest that he'll use it as
its next toy. So that's how the

497
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,910
broom came into the room. If
somebody is telling you this is

498
00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:26,700
how I'm cuz it was very inflamed
and dark, very inflamed to the

499
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:26,970
point.

500
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:31,200
The police received a 911 call
from a woman complaining that

501
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,320
white men gathered outside the
home where the party took place

502
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,200
had called her racial slurs and
threatened to sodomized her with

503
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,010
a broomstick.

504
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:43,260
Right but the rumor was that she
was sodomized with a broomstick

505
00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:46,530
and attacked by 20 men yeah so
you imagine that hitting the

506
00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:50,580
ground you know like a lock
locking go halfway around the

507
00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:53,070
world before the truth now in
some kind of thing choose

508
00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:58,470
2006 mo what was what was your
communications network with your

509
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:59,130
friends if

510
00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:05,250
we had we had internet but we no
email there anything? Was really

511
00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:06,030
phone call. Was

512
00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:07,080
it MySpace?

513
00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:08,850
Next to chirps.

514
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,920
Next tail chirps.

515
00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:14,340
Yeah, like the next. walkie
talkies. That was a that was a

516
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:14,940
big thing.

517
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,080
No,

518
00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:17,490
you really have those.

519
00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:22,140
Yeah, that was the that was the
thing. That was the real shirt.

520
00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:26,460
Yes. That was the theme thing.
Yeah.

521
00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:30,660
Oh, man. What now? Do they have
range? Or do they talk to? They

522
00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:31,980
talk to the network, didn't
they?

523
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,560
Yeah, it was you talk to the
network. It just came through as

524
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,940
like a walkie talkie shirt.

525
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:37,650
And who could you talk to?

526
00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:42,900
Anybody else that they had next
to? No, I'm just kidding. I'm

527
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:43,560
dating myself.

528
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:46,920
I'd forgotten all about this
man.

529
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:52,080
Oh, yeah. That was that was the
that was the that was the you

530
00:32:52,410 --> 00:32:54,570
know, to LCG mix to

531
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,790
goodness. That's that's yes to
funny, man. I love that.

532
00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:04,170
So now another thing that came
out was the MC fat and email and

533
00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:07,260
this was a couple of hours at
the party and it Robert fat and

534
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:10,500
a member of the lacrosse team
sent an email to other plants

535
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:17,760
and he plans to have a go.
Strip. Oh, yes. Rashad say that.

536
00:33:18,540 --> 00:33:21,600
That was the that was a status
symbol thing that was like the

537
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,860
iPhone before the iPhone.

538
00:33:22,889 --> 00:33:25,259
Yeah, exactly. So Okay. All
right. I got you know.

539
00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:30,120
Yeah. So there was an email that
was sent around. And it was

540
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,140
saying that to whom it may
concern not tomorrow night after

541
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:39,090
tonight's show. I'll decide to
have some strippers over to

542
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,170
eating See, I think that's the
address. wherever their address

543
00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:48,390
was all welcome. However, there
will be no nudity. I plan on

544
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:52,380
killing their bitches or see my
language as soon as they walk in

545
00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:57,390
and proceeding to cut their skin
off. Wow, excuse my language

546
00:33:57,390 --> 00:34:03,360
here coming in my do issue
spandex call and massage arch

547
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,410
tak to the team members, please
respond. So that that was a

548
00:34:07,410 --> 00:34:15,270
reference to American Psycho, I
believe. But the DA took it into

549
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:20,340
context took it serious threat.
Right. So they invited but they

550
00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:24,120
weren't. They wanted white girls
before email was even sent out.

551
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:28,410
So that's the weird thing, but
they made it seem like this is a

552
00:34:28,410 --> 00:34:34,230
modern day, not Klan rally. Oh,
wow. Yeah, it was it was a it

553
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:38,640
was a huge thing. But the funny
thing was, is no, none of that

554
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,800
stablishment machine, as you
will say like the NAACP, anybody

555
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,600
really touched this. Because
dude has do we have power we're

556
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,240
gonna get we'll go ahead and get
to some of that. But before we

557
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:57,720
do, they had to go to the beat
Team of race hustlers. And this

558
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:02,190
was a guy named Mike leet
shabads of the new Black Panther

559
00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:05,550
Party, not the new new Black
Panther Party, but the newest

560
00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:09,510
generation at that time. And
he's on with Michelle Malkin

561
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:14,460
from Fox News and this is after
the charges have been dismissed.

562
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:18,030
I apologize that we're going out
of order. But it'll make sense

563
00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:20,430
in a minute, but here they are
their exchange.

564
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:23,670
In the factor follow up segment
tonight. As you may know, the

565
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:26,940
Attorney General of North
Carolina has dropped all charges

566
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:29,340
against three Duke lacrosse
players who were accused of

567
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:32,880
rape, sexual assault and
kidnapping last spring. When

568
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,850
that happened, the new Black
Panther Party descended on the

569
00:35:35,850 --> 00:35:38,370
Duke campus demanding justice.

570
00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:43,710
We will be here from gavel to
gavel to when the final jury

571
00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:48,480
verdict is read. And we demand
and are pursuing that this jury

572
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,010
verdict come back. Guilty. Gets
the accused. It should come

573
00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:59,730
back. What is it come back? What
do you find? The two defendants

574
00:35:59,730 --> 00:36:01,620
the three defendants in this
case.

575
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:06,300
When a case started to fall
apart, Malik Shabazz, the

576
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:09,330
General Counsel of the Panthers
entered the no spin zone.

577
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:12,810
But I never said they were
guilty of rape. I said they were

578
00:36:12,810 --> 00:36:17,760
guilty. And I still stand. Say
that this case is a strong case

579
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,750
for sexual assault, kidnapping
charges that can and probably

580
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:25,410
will lead these young men leave
these young man behind prison

581
00:36:25,410 --> 00:36:26,100
walls and in

582
00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:30,060
cases drop will indicate to you
this society is racist.

583
00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:33,450
It will be proved to me that
Mike Nifong doesn't know what

584
00:36:33,450 --> 00:36:35,490
he's doing. Wow,

585
00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:39,510
I love that. No, no, I didn't
say guilty of rape. Dude guilty

586
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:42,360
of being white. You know, they
were just guilty, man.

587
00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:46,410
Now, are you seeing similarities
now to last show?

588
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,310
Yeah. What's interesting is that
this is this is happening on Fox

589
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:52,110
News at the time with Bill
O'Reilly.

590
00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:58,440
Yeah, it's that he's playing a
roller Tucker. Yeah, it is

591
00:36:58,470 --> 00:37:02,640
definitely like a, you know, a
repeat of history. But

592
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,200
history or just repeat of the
act.

593
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:10,410
When the cat the council, I
mean, the council blueprint,

594
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,500
this is mercy. The only
difference was this was pre

595
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:17,640
social media, right? And pre all
that you know, is take away your

596
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,330
next tell chirp, right, so you
can get the information. And

597
00:37:21,330 --> 00:37:25,410
this is kind of where Black
Lives Matter was kind of birthed

598
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:29,460
out of the fact that you had to
depend on militia bands to get

599
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:33,750
the Black Panther Party to show
up. I mean, they couldn't make

600
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:37,380
it and get boots on the ground
or get people to show up as

601
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:39,870
easily as they could Black Lives
Matter when they came through

602
00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:43,830
with the whole social media
apparatus that can mobilize

603
00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:48,060
people. This could have been
very bad if it was then. I mean,

604
00:37:48,090 --> 00:37:54,000
if social media was around in
like it is even what, two three

605
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,630
years later?

606
00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:59,430
Yeah, it was just about well,
Twitter was coming coming in

607
00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:03,660
around this time. It was or
Facebook, at least for sure.

608
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:06,990
Right. So I mean, just saying
this is this, this is how it

609
00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:09,720
used to work. And this is why
like people like Al Sharpton

610
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,780
were so valuable then, because
he would get these kind of guys

611
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:15,570
on the phone like, hey, we need
boots, you know, down in a Yeah,

612
00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:15,990
he

613
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,320
could mobilize his action
network. Right.

614
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:23,100
So let's go ahead and listen to
the second part of this.

615
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:24,690
Knockout.

616
00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:29,160
Mr. shabam joins us from
Washington. Good evening. What

617
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,230
do you have to say for yourself?
Now, Mr. Shabazz,

618
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,650
I have to say that I am
disappointed in the terrible

619
00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:39,210
performance of magnifico, that
the victim who the CIM the

620
00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:44,100
accuser, in this case, is a real
victim here. And I still believe

621
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:47,250
that something criminally went
wrong in that house. And this

622
00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:51,600
case was bought was botched by
prosecutors in this case. So I

623
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,800
will not apologize. And I will
not apologize in my defense of

624
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,280
black women who have been raped
and abused by white men. Over

625
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,260
1,600,000 Black women have been
sexually assaulted and raped by

626
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:07,590
white men since we came here on
slave ships. None of them have

627
00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:11,070
been prosecuted. I will not
apologize for defending black

628
00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:11,400
women.

629
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,530
You're not going to apologize to
the Duke lacrosse team that you

630
00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:20,340
smeared that you convicted?
Didn't you hear the North

631
00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:23,460
Carolina Attorney General's
statement? Didn't you hear that?

632
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,510
That they that they're the
evidence is that there was no

633
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:29,490
attack? What exactly

634
00:39:29,490 --> 00:39:32,460
are that? I didn't hear that.
I'm a criminal defense attorney.

635
00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:35,790
Many clients that I've had the
cases have been dropped against

636
00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:39,570
them. But I can't say that
nothing went wrong. What I hear

637
00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:43,560
is political pressure that a
powerful white university with

638
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,300
powerful rich white defendants.
Woman The case has been thrown

639
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,720
out but me phone didn't
interview the witness and charge

640
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:57,000
the case properly. Me phone nine
didn't give a exculpatory

641
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,110
evidence to the defense. It is
Nifong, who bites This case, and

642
00:40:01,110 --> 00:40:05,130
all women who will bring sexual
assault charges in the future

643
00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:06,840
are adversely affected by this.

644
00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:17,250
Wow, that's so similar with the
blaming the lame ass. Lawyers

645
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,720
Hold on a second. How, what is
this? Over 1 million black women

646
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,210
have been raped by white men
since the beginning of the

647
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:26,400
country. What is this all about?
Is this a number,

648
00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:31,980
Dr. plantation? I know rapes.
But I don't know where he got

649
00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:33,270
that number from, I don't know.

650
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:36,030
How do you get a number?

651
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,560
I mean, who knows what the
number is. But it rolls off the

652
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,150
tongue. It's a good push back.
He knew he was wrong. He knew

653
00:40:45,150 --> 00:40:48,720
that had no case. And he got
duped. He got got I mean that

654
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:54,120
that's all it is to it. And, um,
as you heard him say Nikon is at

655
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,840
the center of this, which
nightfall has some very ulterior

656
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,780
motives for pushing this case
and let it go as far as he is.

657
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:05,190
But he did bring up one great
point. These are powerful white

658
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:10,380
boys, young men from powerful
families, and they're backed by

659
00:41:10,380 --> 00:41:13,890
one of the biggest powers. I
mean, you can't even imagine how

660
00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:18,300
powerful Duke is. Seriously. Um,
the only thing I could equate it

661
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:22,650
to I have a clip here for show
66 Go back and make Duke has the

662
00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:28,320
same relationship with DERM that
John Hopkins has with Baltimore.

663
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,740
Yes. Okay.

664
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:35,700
Let's get to this clip. And that
takes me to my next question.

665
00:41:35,820 --> 00:41:40,410
The relationship between Hopkins
and the local black residents in

666
00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:44,790
East Baltimore. You know, you
talk about and the relationship

667
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:48,540
of medical institutions in
general, you talk about, from

668
00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:53,250
doctors to Robin graves. He have
a section a book about that,

669
00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:57,510
which is really fascinating. You
talk about how Hopkins was known

670
00:41:57,510 --> 00:42:02,850
as the plantation. And, you
know, there's also people like

671
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Henrietta Lacks who, whose
genetic material was harvested

672
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,390
by Hopkins without consent as
well.

673
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:15,930
That's true. And so one of the
Hopkins presidents once said

674
00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:20,820
that Hopkins is a is not a good
neighbor. And all this has come

675
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:25,830
to play in East Baltimore for
people remember the days when a

676
00:42:25,830 --> 00:42:31,050
1200 the home so 1200 black
people were demolished in order

677
00:42:31,050 --> 00:42:37,440
for Hopkins to construct a
dormitory housing 205, POCs and

678
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,750
doctors. So there's lots of
distrust towards the Hopkins and

679
00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:47,160
in the recent controversies that
we all talk about. All this has

680
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,060
come to play everything that
Hopkins has done in the past all

681
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:55,410
its crimes have have been
mentioned to Henrietta Lacks

682
00:42:55,950 --> 00:42:59,370
experiments with lead paint all
kinds of stuff.

683
00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:02,460
Yeah, fine bunch of people.

684
00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:07,350
So as the plantation I mean, in
I don't mean in a disrespectful

685
00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:14,400
way. But what I mean, is they,
they generate so much jobs and

686
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,720
money and but also

687
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,830
James Buchanan, who established
Duke, he had tobacco

688
00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:20,730
plantations,

689
00:43:21,059 --> 00:43:24,029
that I mean, yeah, that's where
it comes out. But even when

690
00:43:24,029 --> 00:43:28,229
slavery ended, it was the same
mentality sure that you had to

691
00:43:28,229 --> 00:43:31,469
either work at Duke or work at
one of the, you know,

692
00:43:31,590 --> 00:43:35,010
the American way Mo, what are
you complaining about? America?

693
00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:38,820
Yeah, the Americans, but the
weird thing is, is that it's you

694
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:42,210
have this large number of black
people. Because dharma at one

695
00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:46,590
point was like, 5050. Yeah. So
it's this weird relationship

696
00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:50,700
between you have a large number
of black people but they're

697
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:51,720
dependent upon

698
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,950
all the white people in the in
the powerful center of the

699
00:43:57,660 --> 00:44:01,290
it's really one family, it's the
Duke, the Duke Family, because

700
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,260
we're gonna get into the Duke
history and how power I don't.

701
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:08,070
When people you make a dumb ask
this question, before we get

702
00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:10,800
into that, when you think of
Duke, what do you hear when you

703
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:10,980
think,

704
00:44:11,249 --> 00:44:13,919
Okay, I'm glad you asked me
that. Because I was I was

705
00:44:13,919 --> 00:44:17,939
actually going to ask you why.
When we think of top

706
00:44:17,939 --> 00:44:21,809
universities, is Duke rarely
mentioned. It's always Stanford.

707
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:25,379
It's Harvard at Yale. Why is
Duke rarely mentioned? I'm not

708
00:44:25,379 --> 00:44:28,949
quite sure why and Now, mind
you, I didn't really go through

709
00:44:28,949 --> 00:44:33,299
the to the US school system. I
went to Salem College, West

710
00:44:33,299 --> 00:44:36,689
Virginia just for three months.
It was not for me, so I don't

711
00:44:36,689 --> 00:44:40,289
understand the affinity even
with university. I although I

712
00:44:40,289 --> 00:44:44,459
comprehend it. I don't know I
mean, I'm looking at Duke right

713
00:44:44,459 --> 00:44:47,789
now. I'm going Holy crap. 50
Rhodes Scholars amongst alumni.

714
00:44:47,789 --> 00:44:50,999
This is a very powerful entity.
This is a this is a powerful

715
00:44:50,999 --> 00:44:53,309
group of people and I don't know
why it's never mentioned.

716
00:44:53,729 --> 00:44:56,519
amongst all the other Ivy League
elite schools.

717
00:44:57,090 --> 00:45:03,900
They they're Ivy League but not
an IV, you know, in a weird way

718
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:09,990
because it's in the South.
That's one thing. Um, and it's

719
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:14,460
the way that family set it up to
be that way. Even though it's

720
00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:20,640
very high level of school I mean
institute of higher learning

721
00:45:20,970 --> 00:45:24,240
they have of their, their
preppy, but they're humble at

722
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,150
the same time. It's the wisdom,
the founders that made it this

723
00:45:27,150 --> 00:45:31,350
way. So I want to get into some
history but you only mentioned

724
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:37,170
the university. These entered
this, this family was in use in

725
00:45:37,170 --> 00:45:40,770
tobacco, which tobacco it was
like the lifeblood of North

726
00:45:40,770 --> 00:45:45,510
Carolina. Yeah, but they got
into other things as well. And

727
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:49,080
this is how they willed it so
much power, the Duke Family. So

728
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,590
what I have now is the Duke
Family history with Robert

729
00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:56,610
Durden, which he is the
universe. You do University

730
00:45:56,610 --> 00:46:00,270
emeritus professor, and author
of numerous books on Mr. Duke,

731
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,890
the Dukes marched to the their
own drummer, they were

732
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,400
independent minded people. And
one of the best in the early

733
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:14,010
examples of that is right after
the Civil War, when the

734
00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:18,420
Republican Party first comes
into North Carolina, not existed

735
00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:21,480
anywhere in the South before the
Civil War, but it comes into

736
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,920
this as part of reconstruction
after the Civil War. Washington

737
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,090
dude became a Republican. And
that was not a country club sort

738
00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:33,390
of thing to do. It was not a
stylish thing to do at all,

739
00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:36,540
because in the asset, the white
majority in Washington DC was

740
00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:39,450
one of our other white
Republicans. They were known as

741
00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:43,170
scallywags. You know, the
carpetbaggers were the northern

742
00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:47,160
born, Republicans who came south
with the Republican Party in the

743
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,640
South after the Civil War
country consisted of the great

744
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,530
majority of the African
Americans got the vote. Most of

745
00:46:55,530 --> 00:47:00,300
the blacks became Republicans.
carpetbaggers and scallywags.

746
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,340
Washington, it became a lifelong
Republican and so did Ben and

747
00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:10,020
book later two books idea of the
greatest president the nation

748
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:14,280
ever had was William McKinley.
He had this huge statue of

749
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:18,870
Kinley on his estate in New
Jersey. I think dollars later

750
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:23,340
gave it to some little town in
Ohio. But they weren't afraid to

751
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:23,940
be different.

752
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:27,930
Think that kind of answers your
question?

753
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:31,530
Yeah, this is great. I had no
idea about the Duke Family is

754
00:47:31,530 --> 00:47:32,340
fantastic.

755
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:37,920
So they were lifelong
Republican, they know, post

756
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,640
Civil War, which that made North
Carolina that was a very

757
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:44,370
unpopular thing, considering,
you know, the Dixiecrats and

758
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:49,800
that kind of thing, but they
understood I believe, that they

759
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:56,700
still had a lot of black labor
and to have good relations with

760
00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:00,090
that black labor force. You
know, they had to have certain

761
00:48:00,090 --> 00:48:04,470
appearances. Sure. Um, but it's
weird because there are Southern

762
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:07,980
family. But then you have all
these northerners that will come

763
00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:12,630
out of New York, New York, New
Jersey area to come up the Yeah,

764
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:15,750
that makes up the student body
of do. So I can say this is

765
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:19,680
weird microcosm. There are
there's a very interesting city

766
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:23,400
and just the makeup of it, and
you know, the who wields the

767
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,320
power. But definitely Duke is
the I say I use this don't use

768
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:32,280
as disrespectful, especially to
the people that work at Duke

769
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:36,120
when I say it's the plantation,
but it's that mentality of

770
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:38,610
that's the single source of
work.

771
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,250
It's the same my buddy Dave is
in Birmingham, Alabama and the

772
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,720
University of Alabama same thing
everyone's worked for University

773
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,040
of Alabama is huge research
money, huge government money. I

774
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,950
mean, it's crazy. It's just you
know, they control everything.

775
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,940
Yeah, cuz you have the school.
You have the tobacco or mean,

776
00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:03,870
which tobacco was kind of dead
right now. But at the time, like

777
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:07,620
when this was being created, a
lot of black men weren't in

778
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:13,470
those tobacco factories in
tobacco warehouses and man made

779
00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:16,380
a good living. I don't know I
mean, they made a very good

780
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:19,800
living for yourself and for the
skills they had, but they had

781
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,000
even more power than that. And
we can get and so on the part

782
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:24,330
two

783
00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:30,510
in 1896 I think it was
Washington to the new president

784
00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:34,950
of Trinity College. Gilgo
personal Kilgore that he would

785
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:40,200
give Trinity $100,000 which was
a lot of money then. If Trinity

786
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:45,120
would admit women on an equal
footing with men will kill go

787
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,990
and the trustees of the Trinity
said we gift to have women to

788
00:49:48,990 --> 00:49:52,080
have women so long before
Charlottesville, a Chapel Hill

789
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,220
smell the coffee Trinity College
is admitting women on equal

790
00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:59,310
footing with men. Now they
didn't have the facilities for

791
00:49:59,310 --> 00:50:02,370
them and they wouldn't until
later on, when the woman's

792
00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:05,670
college comes into existence,
it's part of Duke University.

793
00:50:06,270 --> 00:50:10,920
But Trinity began to admit women
quite early. One of the earliest

794
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:17,670
interest of the family outside
of Durham was the Oxford orphans

795
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:22,740
asylum, which is still up in
Oxford, North Carolina, PA,

796
00:50:23,250 --> 00:50:26,100
Washington do PA and Ben would
get on the early morning

797
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,710
training back in the days when
we have a lot of train service,

798
00:50:29,010 --> 00:50:32,250
and right up to Office spend the
day that often is you see what

799
00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:36,630
they needed, and then see that
they got what they can give to

800
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:42,000
help the orphanage. So that
later portion of the childcare

801
00:50:42,030 --> 00:50:46,200
section of the damage grew out
of a pattern of family

802
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:46,830
involvement.

803
00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:53,580
Family families that huge it's
gonna be a huge component of the

804
00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:58,650
show, and the lack of family and
what the power of family is, but

805
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,790
this made the dupes benevolent,
right, they were giving money

806
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:06,540
away creating hospitals, this
kind of thing, letting women's

807
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,290
women go to the college on equal
footing. They were like they're

808
00:51:10,290 --> 00:51:13,440
very forward thinking and
benevolent, but at the same

809
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:19,890
time, it was still that
plantation mentality and and be

810
00:51:20,490 --> 00:51:22,770
elitism to go with it. So

811
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,470
it's kind of like the company
store, right?

812
00:51:27,150 --> 00:51:27,870
What do you mean by that?

813
00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:33,090
Well, it's like if the
university runs everything, and

814
00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:36,720
then all of all commerce,
everything around that is tied

815
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:41,430
to it. So you everyone works for
it one way or the other. And

816
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:46,440
they can really move people,
even in out of their homes, I

817
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,040
would say,

818
00:51:47,849 --> 00:51:52,319
yeah. And then I guess we can go
and get to the third clip now,

819
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:56,999
because the hospital and the
tobacco was one no great source

820
00:51:56,999 --> 00:52:00,629
of money. But it's this new
business they got in really gave

821
00:52:00,629 --> 00:52:01,409
them power

822
00:52:02,610 --> 00:52:07,200
from a very early period. But
Washington do. And then Ben and

823
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,550
Brooke, gave money to the
Methodist Church in particular

824
00:52:11,550 --> 00:52:16,020
to poor Methodist churches and
to Methodist preachers. So that

825
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:22,140
portion of the endowment grew
out of the family pattern, now

826
00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:29,400
used to fudge a bit used to
slide over this, argue that the

827
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,880
Dukes business partner, George
Watts gave Watts hospital to the

828
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,510
white people of Durham in the
1890s, with induced contributed

829
00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:39,810
to that, and I'm sure Ben Duke
said on the board of trustees

830
00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:43,890
and so forth. And then in the
early years of the 20th century,

831
00:52:43,890 --> 00:52:50,940
1901 or two, Ben and Buck gave
the money for a hospital for the

832
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:56,700
African Americans in their own
the Lincoln Hospital. So as I

833
00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:59,520
say, I used to fudgy and say,
well, the hospital business was

834
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,180
unnatural. And that was an error
because the Dukes were not

835
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:06,540
really very much involved in
health care. The health care

836
00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:13,770
portion of the Duke endeavor is
primarily but Dukes original

837
00:53:14,970 --> 00:53:18,000
contribution or his singular
contribution to the whole

838
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:25,410
endowment pattern. That business
of helping communities build

839
00:53:25,410 --> 00:53:31,320
nonprofit community hospitals,
that was that was booked Dukes

840
00:53:31,350 --> 00:53:36,090
vision would help those
communities who were willing to

841
00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:39,540
help themselves they had to do
some digging themselves for

842
00:53:39,540 --> 00:53:42,060
money. And then the data would
move in and help them.

843
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,700
So they were they were ingrain
themselves in everything that

844
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:51,750
was going on in the sound going
on over there. Let me throw some

845
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:56,190
money at it. So it was kind of
hard to escape the reach of that

846
00:53:56,190 --> 00:53:58,470
you got to keep everybody
healthy and everybody working.

847
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:59,700
That's how it works. Yeah.

848
00:54:00,150 --> 00:54:06,630
So say all it is, um, they still
have issues with the same issues

849
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:13,170
that are on a similar issue that
John Hopkins Johns Hopkins ran

850
00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:18,090
into with their where their
hospital ran. So just just as a

851
00:54:18,090 --> 00:54:21,000
little clarity. My first
daughter was born and Duke

852
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,230
Hospital. All right, so so this
is like I said, this is it's a

853
00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:30,510
weird thing because the tension
is always there with do and like

854
00:54:30,540 --> 00:54:34,110
the students and they share
proximity with poor

855
00:54:34,110 --> 00:54:37,200
neighborhoods. You mean you have
wall town and several other

856
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,800
surrounding like North San poor
neighborhoods that are just

857
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,670
basically divided by a wall
stone wall that goes around the

858
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:48,660
campus. That's a short wall, but
still it's like, this is Campus.

859
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:55,170
This is not campus. And if there
was a harmony there, um, or was

860
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,950
I'm not gonna live there now. So
gentrification is really kicked

861
00:54:58,950 --> 00:55:04,290
in At similar to what we've seen
in the John Hopkins clip, but

862
00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:07,980
it's just like saying it's just
this weird. You know, it's just

863
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:12,450
castle in the middle of town,
and it's representative of the

864
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,160
end grain power of this old
money. And I think people get

865
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,800
caught reason. Another reason I
want to bring this up is to show

866
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,030
is, I think people get caught up
in the new money in the text

867
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,290
thing, right? Forget about all
of these really old established

868
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:32,580
product. Yeah. Infrastructure.
Literally, I

869
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:35,850
think you were looking into the
matt Gill or something. What was

870
00:55:35,850 --> 00:55:36,270
that thought

871
00:55:36,270 --> 00:55:39,240
the cargo family? That's another
way Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness.

872
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:41,730
Oh, that some fun asked people.
Yeah, so

873
00:55:41,730 --> 00:55:46,440
the Dukes are the same way. As
this is the the tech money is

874
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,080
cool. But when you have an
endowment,

875
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:53,220
yo, yeah. And it's even better
than that. You don't hear about

876
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,550
the Cargill family. No, you hear
about Bill Gates with his fake

877
00:55:56,550 --> 00:56:00,870
meat. Right, that's by design.
Bill Gates is just, you know, a

878
00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:04,920
talking head for the Cargill
family. So I imagine with Duke

879
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,180
it's exactly the same.

880
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:09,990
It's the endowment. It's the,
you know, we never hear about

881
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:13,110
the family or anything. It's
just but this money is still

882
00:56:13,110 --> 00:56:16,380
there. And it's power still
there. Yeah. And for a DA like

883
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:19,710
knife on the thing. You're gonna
take some of their boys and

884
00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:24,000
railroad him. He was a fool to
think this. Uh huh. This is who

885
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,070
you're going. I mean, you're
going against the whole school

886
00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:29,010
to produce his lawyers. I mean,
it was a fool. It was a fool's

887
00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:32,460
errand. I don't know what he was
thinking. Unless it could have

888
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:38,820
been a coup. That like I said,
the the student mean, extremely

889
00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:42,390
faculty at the college. We're
all all for it. For railroad

890
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:46,050
knees. These are lacrosse
players. But before we get into

891
00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:48,480
that, I want to get into like a
little bit of the medical

892
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,260
history. And this is kind of
more reflective for me. And we

893
00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:55,410
were talking about why why black
people don't really go to the

894
00:56:55,410 --> 00:56:59,100
hospital or not. There's that
thing. Yeah. This is going to

895
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:01,740
answer some of that into more
detail. So I guess we can go

896
00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:05,610
ahead and get to 30. Before we
start, this is Dr. Damon Twitty

897
00:57:06,030 --> 00:57:10,110
Tweety, excuse me, and he's the
author of Batman the white coat.

898
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:15,060
And this is a, I believe, PBS.
And he examines racial

899
00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:18,030
disparities in medicine, both
patient and medical

900
00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:21,750
professionals. So this will give
me the context even at Duke how

901
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:26,460
progressive it is, he worked to
do and this is something that

902
00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:29,550
he's experienced that he
witnessed. Being Black

903
00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:33,000
can be bad for your health. It's
a lesson Damon tweedy writes in

904
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,390
his new book, black man in a
white coat, a doctor's

905
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:39,810
reflection on race and medicine,
that he learned time and again,

906
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:43,320
in his own life and in as many
years as a doctor. tweedy is a

907
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,950
psychiatrist at Duke University,
where he also attended medical

908
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:50,220
school and welcome to you. So
this you start with this big

909
00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:53,490
subject? Is that what started it
for you that you wanted to write

910
00:57:53,490 --> 00:57:53,850
about?

911
00:57:54,210 --> 00:57:56,940
Yeah, so you know, raises this
really highly charged political

912
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:59,370
subject that we have in our
society, obviously. But for me,

913
00:57:59,370 --> 00:58:01,560
this is a very personal story.
This is really kind of about my

914
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,680
experience in my journey. All
too often in medical school, you

915
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,340
learn about health problems in
the black community, you learned

916
00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:10,830
you hear this diseases, it's
more common than then this is

917
00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:12,360
always more common in black
people. But you didn't really

918
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,480
hear why it wasn't this x
question, why was a huge issue

919
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,990
for me. It was also a big
question about how my experience

920
00:58:18,990 --> 00:58:21,060
as a young black man was
different than the experiences

921
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:23,280
of other people in my class.
Well, that comes

922
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,660
through because you also saying
that, as a young doctor, in

923
00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:30,480
training, you're saying
constantly hearing about the

924
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,750
medical frailties of black
people picked up the scab of

925
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:37,500
your insecurity, you did not set
out thinking about medicine and

926
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:38,040
race.

927
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,320
No, I was actually attracted to
medicine there was sort of like

928
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,010
this. It was almost like a post
racial kind of mindset, I had

929
00:58:44,610 --> 00:58:47,610
medicine to me how this appeal
of being objective, you know,

930
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,730
formulas, equations, and it was
really, that was appeal. So much

931
00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:53,880
of society is messy. And life is
messy as a black person. So this

932
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:56,310
was appeal, that it could be
objective. And then when I got

933
00:58:56,310 --> 00:58:58,860
to medical school, I kind of got
a rude awakening that it wasn't.

934
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:03,150
Oh, okay. This is also very
relevant to today. But of

935
00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:06,300
course, we know that the Rona
kills black people because of

936
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:06,870
their skin.

937
00:59:07,860 --> 00:59:10,950
If you will listen to the
narrative, but they don't never

938
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:15,630
tell you why. Or they're giving
you any explanation. It's just

939
00:59:15,630 --> 00:59:19,980
that it kills black people.
Yeah. At a higher rate, but

940
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:22,890
there's no there's no
discussion. And that's because

941
00:59:22,890 --> 00:59:24,900
they is the cost of the
narrative. Right. And he got

942
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:29,190
into medicine because it's being
objective. Um, surprise,

943
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:34,890
surprise. Yeah. At the end of
the day, it's a business. So and

944
00:59:34,890 --> 00:59:40,950
I say, even at school, like do
this, um, was very progressive,

945
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:43,320
as you heard from their family
and the creation of the whole

946
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,120
endowment and what they try to
do, it was still these

947
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:51,810
opportunities for it to be right
in for it to be racism, and let

948
00:59:51,810 --> 00:59:57,060
me let me do a scene is racist.
I mean, it's almost anonymous

949
00:59:57,060 --> 00:59:58,800
when you hear do well

950
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,820
You can do this do color,

951
01:00:03,959 --> 01:00:06,539
I'll just say I didn't want to
lead you. But that's great

952
01:00:06,539 --> 01:00:10,349
marketing that his last name is
Duke, because it's baked in

953
01:00:10,349 --> 01:00:17,789
racism and do is baked in to it,
um, until they like the name and

954
01:00:17,819 --> 01:00:22,019
the whole business. And I think
they tried to the endowment

955
01:00:22,019 --> 01:00:25,529
tries to, you know, get away
from this. But these kind of

956
01:00:25,529 --> 01:00:28,979
situation right here made it
worse for them. And that's why

957
01:00:28,979 --> 01:00:32,099
you're going to see this kind of
attack. So, but I want to get

958
01:00:32,099 --> 01:00:34,679
into this Dr. Store, because
it's another topic, I want to

959
01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:38,849
bring up this personal to me. So
let's get into number 14,

960
01:00:38,999 --> 01:00:42,179
when you refer to your
insecurities. What do you mean?

961
01:00:42,209 --> 01:00:42,629
Yeah,

962
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:46,470
I'm come from Prince George's
County, Maryland. It was an all

963
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:48,780
black neighborhood that I grew
up in just outside of

964
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:53,160
Washington, DC. And I went to a
state college and I got to Duke,

965
01:00:53,490 --> 01:00:56,730
Duke, fancy private school, a
lot of my classmates had parents

966
01:00:56,730 --> 01:00:59,130
who were doctors. And so I was
willing to care about that. And

967
01:00:59,130 --> 01:01:01,500
as a black person, there's
always a sort of thing about is

968
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:04,410
affirmative action part of why
you're here. And do you really

969
01:01:04,410 --> 01:01:06,420
belong. And so I was grappling
with all those things, when I

970
01:01:06,420 --> 01:01:07,830
first got to medical school

971
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,590
to write about a number of
incidents that you witnessed in

972
01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:13,920
which you saw white doctors,
unaware of the different ways

973
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,250
that they were treating black
patients, how much in the end,

974
01:01:17,250 --> 01:01:20,340
did you conclude that race does
play a factor in the doctor's

975
01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:21,660
room, in the hospital,

976
01:01:22,530 --> 01:01:25,080
it plays a big factor, and often
in ways that the doctor and the

977
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,020
patient may not even be aware
of. And so it's a there are

978
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:30,360
several examples I talked about
in the book. And there's one

979
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,340
example particularly so that
comes to mind off the top of my

980
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:35,400
head. This was a time when I was
going to the clinic myself as a

981
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,570
patient. So I'm coming from home
and I'm had injured my knee a

982
01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:41,670
few days earlier. And I'm
dressing very casually

983
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:44,490
sweatpants and sweatshirt, and I
come into the exam room with the

984
01:01:44,490 --> 01:01:47,520
doctor. And he comes in and he
never looks at me, he just looks

985
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,490
at my knee and sort of has me
stand up and down. And then says

986
01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:53,370
your cane count is going to
shuttle me away. And being a

987
01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:55,080
doctor, I knew that there was
more that could be done or

988
01:01:55,110 --> 01:01:57,360
should have been done. And so I
mentioned to him that I'm a

989
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,360
doctor. And then suddenly he
looks at me and his eyes kind of

990
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,140
light up and he looks at my
knee, he starts to talk to me.

991
01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:06,360
And so he really engages in a
sort of doctor patient exchange

992
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,090
the way that it should have been
from the beginning. And it was a

993
01:02:09,090 --> 01:02:11,700
really vivid illustration of how
differently you know, I can

994
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:14,310
perceive, you know, one hand, I
could just be a young black man

995
01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:16,890
who's off the street somewhere
and who knows what negative

996
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:18,930
assumptions he may have had,
because he didn't engage with me

997
01:02:18,930 --> 01:02:22,110
at all. And once he realizes I'm
a doctor, it was like a totally

998
01:02:22,110 --> 01:02:24,300
different experience. And so I
think that really illustrates

999
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:26,940
how definitely things can play
out in in exam.

1000
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,140
This is interesting, this, this
book, I would be interested in

1001
01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:34,680
black man in a white coat. Hmm.
Have you read it?

1002
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,780
No, I haven't. I've watched
several of his hour long.

1003
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:44,070
Book, he got the YouTube, right.

1004
01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:51,210
You're saying he's using the
best parts of the book. But it's

1005
01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:57,120
two things he brought up. One is
the, um, am I here? Because I'm

1006
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,560
a token? Affirmative Action kind
of higher? I think they call

1007
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:06,420
them diversity hires now. Oh,
yeah. It's the thing called

1008
01:03:06,450 --> 01:03:09,720
imposter syndrome. I don't know
if you heard about it or not.

1009
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:13,560
And I plan on doing a bigger
show on it. But I want to get

1010
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,400
into it now just as this because
he brought it up. Imposter

1011
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:25,110
syndrome is am I here? Because
of you know, I'm a token or our

1012
01:03:25,770 --> 01:03:26,850
diversity hire?

1013
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,840
Yes. When you feel like you're
an imposter. Right? Which can

1014
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,200
also can, it can also happen
when you land a job and you're

1015
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,510
faking it till you make it and
you really don't know what the

1016
01:03:36,510 --> 01:03:37,260
hell you're doing.

1017
01:03:38,730 --> 01:03:42,450
True, but I think the true sense
of it is that you are qualified

1018
01:03:42,450 --> 01:03:45,990
but you still never feel out
that you've Okay, agree totally,

1019
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,160
that you're you belong, I think
next keyword and there are

1020
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,030
people that said that you were
Yeah, that you are qualified,

1021
01:03:54,030 --> 01:03:57,720
because this is the double edged
sword of affirmative action is

1022
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,350
that, yeah, it gets people in
the door. But when you get a man

1023
01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:05,190
with lower standards, then
people are going to assume you

1024
01:04:05,220 --> 01:04:09,390
were recipient, right of that
lower standard. And I actually

1025
01:04:09,390 --> 01:04:12,480
did a live on this a little
while back saying so people want

1026
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,960
to check it out. Um, but yes, I
thought that was one thing. And

1027
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,680
then the way that daughter saw
him once he gave him his

1028
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,180
credentials, it didn't change
the fact that he's black. So

1029
01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:27,600
it's not it's not a point about
black or white in this sense.

1030
01:04:28,590 --> 01:04:31,800
Because you heard where Nancy
Grace was coming from, she's a

1031
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:37,590
white woman. But the fact she
grew up on a dirt road, you

1032
01:04:37,590 --> 01:04:40,020
know, she looked at Duke a
certain way, even though she's

1033
01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:43,410
white and they're white. Sure.
Um, that's class and that's

1034
01:04:43,410 --> 01:04:47,400
right. That's the main point.
And I want to point out that

1035
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,430
here, once the guy Oh, you're
one of us. You're saying your

1036
01:04:50,430 --> 01:04:53,610
you got a white coat today and
I'll treat you like a human. And

1037
01:04:53,610 --> 01:04:58,440
that's that thing of this. You
know, us and them kind of

1038
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:05,400
mentality that ozone, right? But
in this, okay. But it in this

1039
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,000
case is not racial, it's more of
he looked like a poor kid off

1040
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,540
the street or is a poor black
kid off the street. It's the

1041
01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:16,320
assumption that you're poor. I
mean, this is where the racial

1042
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,160
wealth gap falls into it. The
fact that so many black people

1043
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,300
are poor. You were saying as
soon as you get the association,

1044
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:27,660
I got it. Right. It's the same
thing with affirmative action.

1045
01:05:27,690 --> 01:05:29,160
So many people, do

1046
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,300
you happen to know numbers? Do
you happen to know numbers? How

1047
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:38,010
many what percentage of black
Americans are poor? Do you

1048
01:05:38,010 --> 01:05:41,970
happen to know? Ah,

1049
01:05:41,999 --> 01:05:44,369
what do you say poor? What do
you mean? Like the poverty line?

1050
01:05:44,369 --> 01:05:44,489
Oh,

1051
01:05:44,490 --> 01:05:46,260
the poverty line? Yeah, well,
you

1052
01:05:46,260 --> 01:05:49,260
will have I will say, I wouldn't
use that I will look at medium

1053
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:55,590
income. Okay. And, and they
pointed out in a clip with Nancy

1054
01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:57,960
Grace, she was like, all their
median income is

1055
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:03,090
100,000 250,000. And then we got
to, you know, people from DERM

1056
01:06:03,090 --> 01:06:06,600
or black, you know, saying it
would be significantly lower. So

1057
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,120
median income is significantly
lower. I don't have the numbers

1058
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,090
right offhand. But it's
definitely lower. And that's the

1059
01:06:12,090 --> 01:06:16,650
whole racial wealth gap. thing,
and it's real, because you know,

1060
01:06:16,830 --> 01:06:18,330
when you don't have right, but

1061
01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:22,530
just just just my point is,
people who live in Durham,

1062
01:06:22,590 --> 01:06:26,130
around Durham are going to be
predominantly median income,

1063
01:06:26,130 --> 01:06:29,190
because all the money is is
centered in that in that power

1064
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:31,020
center, and everyone else is
just serving it.

1065
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,930
Right? I mean, I mean, you don't
have any, you don't have

1066
01:06:33,930 --> 01:06:36,240
generational wealth just passed
down that kind of thing. I mean,

1067
01:06:37,020 --> 01:06:40,560
it's the institutional problems.
And if I was saying like, things

1068
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:45,090
like atonement, aka reparations
are needed, because then we can

1069
01:06:45,090 --> 01:06:48,840
get okay, we can move on.
Exactly, it solves the problem.

1070
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:56,940
Okay. Here we, we know, one
group had a head start. In no a,

1071
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:03,270
in the race called America, you
know, um, we didn't get out the,

1072
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:07,200
you know, the start block as
fast as other groups have. And

1073
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,390
then it's like, okay, I'm
running fast, just as fast as

1074
01:07:09,390 --> 01:07:12,360
you are even fast, when you put
your head start are so much

1075
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:17,400
bigger. I can never catch up. I
mean, it's not gonna happen. Now

1076
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,350
you can. You, it'd be hard for
you have a black Duke Family,

1077
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,100
you understand? I'm saying,
like, with the aspects of

1078
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:30,330
tobacco when, you know, the
slave labor and those kinds of

1079
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:35,220
things, the institutions, that
that's kind of hard to recreate,

1080
01:07:35,340 --> 01:07:38,310
when you don't have know when
you're still playing in the

1081
01:07:38,310 --> 01:07:38,730
game,

1082
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,720
right? The only way to start
with generational wealth, where

1083
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:47,970
there's two ways one is three
ways. One is the phony baloney

1084
01:07:47,970 --> 01:07:50,490
stock market. I'm not sure how
much longer you can actually do

1085
01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:53,790
that. With that with that, but
along with that comes high tech,

1086
01:07:53,790 --> 01:07:57,030
big tech Silicon Valley. And
that my personal favorite

1087
01:07:57,090 --> 01:08:00,000
Bitcoin, but that may be for a
different episode.

1088
01:08:00,390 --> 01:08:03,330
What that is that they know. But
if you have 1000, to put it, I

1089
01:08:03,330 --> 01:08:07,350
have 1000, you have
10,000 100,000. Even though

1090
01:08:07,350 --> 01:08:10,830
we're both making money on
Bitcoin, it'll always be a

1091
01:08:10,830 --> 01:08:14,220
disparity there. And that's what
you're seeing play out with this

1092
01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:17,280
whole? I didn't expect to go
here. But that's what you're

1093
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,860
seeing it play out with a whole
inflation thing.

1094
01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:25,200
Hold on a second. A second. I
don't come from generational

1095
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,410
wealth, per se. I mean, at least
none, not where I can not not

1096
01:08:28,410 --> 01:08:35,790
the direct part. I mean, I
literally had to pay taxes, my

1097
01:08:35,790 --> 01:08:42,600
mom and when they when they both
passed away. So it's an it might

1098
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,060
have been there, but someone
screwed up along the way. So I'm

1099
01:08:45,060 --> 01:08:48,600
just saying that in Bitcoin, you
and I could theoretically be

1100
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,270
kind of starting at the same
spot at the same point.

1101
01:08:52,349 --> 01:08:56,759
True. Well, I'm saying is for
the institutions of the top of

1102
01:08:56,759 --> 01:09:00,389
the when you look at the top of
the I understand,

1103
01:09:00,390 --> 01:09:05,670
but I'm just saying, Yeah, I'm
just saying you're correct. That

1104
01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:12,570
will never get fixed. We'll
never beyond atonement. Moving

1105
01:09:12,570 --> 01:09:17,130
forward. Each I'm just saying
there's an opportunity to equal

1106
01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:17,970
for everybody.

1107
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:21,300
Oh, yeah. And there's always
been opportunities for equal and

1108
01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:23,490
I want to point that out and for
him,

1109
01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:26,880
but also but also to start new
new generational wealth that may

1110
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,610
be worth something in six
generations from now.

1111
01:09:30,150 --> 01:09:35,280
Right, but with him, he says
that when he went to school, his

1112
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:40,230
classmates parents were doctors.
Is there a second generation in

1113
01:09:40,230 --> 01:09:44,100
so that's, like I said, That's
the hard problem. And all the

1114
01:09:44,130 --> 01:09:48,660
reason why I'm bringing all this
up is all this plays out into.

1115
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:53,520
How do I look to the public?
Right, those rich white kids

1116
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,000
that have silver spoon in their
mouth, you know, they deserve to

1117
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,320
get we need equity.

1118
01:09:58,530 --> 01:10:02,880
I guess what I'm saying Is it
just a knee jerk reaction?

1119
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,420
Because I'm really concerned?
I'm concerned about Mike, my

1120
01:10:06,420 --> 01:10:09,990
kids, your kids. I guess what
I'm saying is, while we're

1121
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:13,380
figuring it out, and while we're
moving forward with trying to

1122
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:20,370
normalize inter race relations
in America, really Americans

1123
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,210
with America's because it goes
beyond race these days. I'm just

1124
01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:27,390
saying, let's not forget to look
at some of the opportunities we

1125
01:10:27,390 --> 01:10:28,710
can take advantage of now.

1126
01:10:29,250 --> 01:10:35,610
And that's the point I'm making,
that I'm for him to be a doctor,

1127
01:10:35,730 --> 01:10:39,210
let you know that the
opportunities, they're just like

1128
01:10:39,210 --> 01:10:42,150
this opportunity to make money
now for everybody. Yeah. And

1129
01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,510
that's the point I'm trying to
make is we shouldn't we

1130
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:48,120
shouldn't think Oh, like this
doom and gloom mentality like we

1131
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,400
would never be able to get out
of poverty. Look at look at

1132
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:54,720
Nancy Grace, she was eating dirt
from a dirt road. Millionaire.

1133
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,180
Right. And that's the point.
That's the point right there.

1134
01:10:57,180 --> 01:11:00,690
But that's goes to show you that
the mental shackles are the real

1135
01:11:00,690 --> 01:11:04,590
problem. This is why they remain
they remain Yeah. And this is

1136
01:11:04,590 --> 01:11:09,450
why attack victim victimization,
victimhood in the mind, these

1137
01:11:09,450 --> 01:11:12,840
kinds of things, that's the real
racism here is, you know,

1138
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:15,900
thinking that the opportunity's
not there, right, if you know,

1139
01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:18,960
it's kind of like the gloves
been taken off the jar, if you

1140
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,230
bump your head in the lid,
enough times, usually I always

1141
01:11:22,230 --> 01:11:23,130
delete steal their

1142
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,230
horse, people keep telling you,
there's a lid there, there's a

1143
01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:27,360
lid there, there's a lid there,
which cracked

1144
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,390
critical race theory, which that
plays into all of these, like I

1145
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:34,560
say, all, all of this plays into
it. And this all manifests

1146
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,350
itself out onto this trial when
we get to it. I know people I

1147
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:39,630
know, we're gonna talk about the
trial, but we have to set it up

1148
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:41,310
in this sense. So

1149
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:44,220
no, people are people, not
people sitting there drinking a

1150
01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:48,030
glass of wine. They're maybe
smoking something, they're

1151
01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:51,600
chill. They're sitting with
their loved one going yeah, let

1152
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,940
it go mo roll it out slow.

1153
01:11:54,330 --> 01:11:56,310
Alright, so let's go ahead and
get number 15

1154
01:11:57,210 --> 01:11:58,440
became a psychiatrist.

1155
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:02,280
Yes, my question. I never
thought when I went to medical

1156
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,650
school that I would become
common psychiatry. But as I got

1157
01:12:04,650 --> 01:12:07,290
into, towards the end of medical
school, I took this one rotation

1158
01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:10,380
just on a flyer and I really
enjoyed it. And the patients,

1159
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,130
told my supervisors that I had a
way with relaxing people and

1160
01:12:14,130 --> 01:12:16,170
getting them to talk to me, and
I had a way of connecting with

1161
01:12:16,170 --> 01:12:18,810
people. And so that really made
me think about psychiatry,

1162
01:12:18,810 --> 01:12:21,450
there's also this huge issue as
an African American, in the

1163
01:12:21,450 --> 01:12:24,840
mental health arena, half black
community is really a big deal,

1164
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,080
because often black people will
be resistant to mental health

1165
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,180
care or feel like it's something
that's not for them. And there's

1166
01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:32,940
this huge sort of stigma that we
that we often deal with. So as a

1167
01:12:32,940 --> 01:12:35,460
psychiatrist, I've often been
one of the only few black

1168
01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:38,100
psychiatrist. And so there's a
huge deal there as well.

1169
01:12:38,130 --> 01:12:40,950
Well, this is important that
you've written a lot about the

1170
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:44,430
dearth of black doctors
generally. And you're pointing

1171
01:12:44,430 --> 01:12:47,850
that is one of the important
factors of why blacks fare so,

1172
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:53,100
so poorly in the medical system.
Why? Why is it important to have

1173
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:54,270
more black doctors?

1174
01:12:54,510 --> 01:12:57,330
Yeah, so African Americans make
up about 13% of the population,

1175
01:12:57,330 --> 01:13:00,030
but about 4% of physicians. And
it's like, you know, half a

1176
01:13:00,030 --> 01:13:02,910
psychiatrist about the same,
really low numbers. And what you

1177
01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:06,060
often see is that there's this
issue of the patients don't

1178
01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:08,220
trust the healthcare system,
because there's been a bad

1179
01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:10,860
history of things that have
happened in the past. And so

1180
01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:14,370
often, as a black Doctor, I'm
there to help sort of be a

1181
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:15,930
translator in a way.

1182
01:13:16,770 --> 01:13:19,830
So that's why we need more black
doctors. At the same time, I saw

1183
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:22,920
recently, Association of
American Medical Colleges, a new

1184
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,980
report that applications from
African American men have

1185
01:13:25,980 --> 01:13:28,830
declined. Yes, in 1978 to
recently,

1186
01:13:28,890 --> 01:13:31,770
right. Yes, so then the numbers
for black women have actually

1187
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:33,390
increased during that time. But
I think there's this bigger

1188
01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:37,110
issue about the way society from
the very top down kind of sets

1189
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:39,540
that limits the X the horizons
and the expectations of what

1190
01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:42,120
African American men can be. And
I think they really filters down

1191
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,190
they start from the top and the
filters down to the communities.

1192
01:13:45,690 --> 01:13:48,150
Wow, all these things I hadn't
considered we've yet you know,

1193
01:13:48,150 --> 01:13:50,880
you and I never talk about
mental health type stuff. I

1194
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,610
mean, we I think we're always
talking about our own mental

1195
01:13:53,610 --> 01:14:01,860
health. You know, as as men, uh,
that's, that's, that's very

1196
01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:06,450
interesting. And meanwhile,
black America's west, you just

1197
01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:10,140
be going like to do dumb shit.
Stop it. Don't Don't do that.

1198
01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:11,790
Don't go no, no, no.

1199
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:14,400
What part?

1200
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:17,130
Don't take don't take the
vaccine.

1201
01:14:17,970 --> 01:14:24,150
That, um, but there are some
things that we do ignore. I

1202
01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:27,150
mean, it's just common sense
health decisions. Oh, yes.

1203
01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:29,430
Of the whole system,

1204
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:34,920
right. The dangers of it's like,
oh, Tuskegee, they said we're

1205
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,380
saying, we fill in the blank and
it's like, well, I'm gonna eat

1206
01:14:37,380 --> 01:14:40,380
the sugar. What not, there's no
it's like, Well, that'll kill

1207
01:14:40,380 --> 01:14:43,890
you. Or I'm gonna eat the salt.
What do they know? Right?

1208
01:14:44,879 --> 01:14:49,319
It was really impactful for me
is is how you and your younger

1209
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:53,579
of course, but how you were
talking on the live about Magic

1210
01:14:53,579 --> 01:14:57,149
Johnson and when you found out
that the Magic Johnson had AIDS,

1211
01:14:57,449 --> 01:15:02,339
and what an impact that hit it
had on you Yes, as a young man,

1212
01:15:02,429 --> 01:15:03,479
how old were you then?

1213
01:15:05,339 --> 01:15:09,269
What was that? 9293 1213 years
old? Yeah.

1214
01:15:09,659 --> 01:15:14,039
Yeah. And, but I think also for
for, and I'm just gonna use it

1215
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:18,779
for your community. I'm sure
that was really like, holy crap.

1216
01:15:19,499 --> 01:15:22,889
And that's just another part of
it. Just that's just another

1217
01:15:22,889 --> 01:15:29,219
notch in this whole distrust of
everything. And in this

1218
01:15:29,219 --> 01:15:31,949
pandemic, where it is all Yeah,
black and brown people are

1219
01:15:31,949 --> 01:15:35,639
disproportionately dying. It's
like, holy crap, and that just

1220
01:15:35,639 --> 01:15:37,709
keep pushing the shit out. No
wonder.

1221
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:43,470
It's not it's not good to live
in a state of paranoia, or all

1222
01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:47,820
the time, or skepticism all the
time that lends to mental health

1223
01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:52,140
problems. You have to double and
triple think things like, Okay,

1224
01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:55,440
what's the double cross? What
could be a triple cross? Where

1225
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:57,930
it could be a quadruple cross?
You know, that kind of thing.

1226
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:58,380
And

1227
01:15:58,410 --> 01:16:05,730
that's actually how I live all
the time. I'm always thinking,

1228
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,580
what kind of scam is this?
Alright, maybe it's someone

1229
01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:09,930
else's scamming the scammer.

1230
01:16:10,530 --> 01:16:14,370
And this is how it is trickled
over into. This is the point of

1231
01:16:14,370 --> 01:16:20,580
the show. When these guys called
those escorts up there, we're

1232
01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:22,890
living in the world. We're like,
oh, we can man we can do what we

1233
01:16:22,890 --> 01:16:25,590
want to do. You know, I mean,
escorts wedding actually legal

1234
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:28,590
then. I was sure there was kind
of some kind of rules but like

1235
01:16:28,590 --> 01:16:31,530
real smoothes, it wasn't where
do what kids do, we can do

1236
01:16:31,530 --> 01:16:34,710
whatever we want to do. I mean,
that's the mentality of it. As

1237
01:16:34,890 --> 01:16:37,200
college students should kind of
feel that way. Right. You're

1238
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,530
young, you're saying you should
have fun, that kind of thing.

1239
01:16:40,740 --> 01:16:44,160
But for me and mine and be like,
Oh, well, you know, this could

1240
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,860
go wrong. And that could go
wrong. And that could go wrong.

1241
01:16:46,860 --> 01:16:49,860
You know what, let's just stay
at home, that kind of thing. So

1242
01:16:49,860 --> 01:16:50,220
I've told

1243
01:16:50,220 --> 01:16:52,920
you the story. I told you a
story about the basketball team

1244
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,180
when I was at Salem College. No,
you didn't. And we were in

1245
01:16:57,180 --> 01:17:01,860
Salem, and clarksburg was out
like 40 minutes down the road,

1246
01:17:01,860 --> 01:17:06,330
that's where the McDonald's was.
And I had a car. I had a Chevy

1247
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:12,360
Nova, straight six, Chevy Nova,
and my roommate, Ty, who was

1248
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,700
black, so and he would hang out
with the bad with the basketball

1249
01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:16,830
team. They're like, oh, so let's
get to it. Let's get curry to

1250
01:17:16,830 --> 01:17:20,010
drive us. We'll go to
McDonald's. Okay. And so I got

1251
01:17:20,010 --> 01:17:23,730
six black guys in the car. We're
driving down the highway in West

1252
01:17:23,730 --> 01:17:26,790
Virginia, and I'm doing like 65
and they're in the back on yo,

1253
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:30,750
yo, yo, yo, cuz your cars slow
down, cuz you're cool. You're

1254
01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:34,080
cool blood. You're cool. You're
cool. I'm like, What, man? I'm

1255
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,580
just cruising. And I didn't and
Only now do I think about it and

1256
01:17:38,580 --> 01:17:41,190
go, Oh, yeah, no kidding.

1257
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,680
I was calculation in their head
is like

1258
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:50,820
I came from Amsterdam, right? I
had no cons, I had no context.

1259
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:52,110
And when the

1260
01:17:52,110 --> 01:17:59,100
calculations go through their
hand back six of us back over,

1261
01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:03,960
get scared to share with them
like a Oh, go just give us

1262
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,360
something on them. You know,
just give us something you know,

1263
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:09,750
that that's a really nice,
they're paranor you like a real

1264
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:11,100
time calculation. Yeah,

1265
01:18:11,130 --> 01:18:15,000
and these guys were from South
Chino from, like, Trenton and,

1266
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:18,090
you know, all east coast. And so
they were like me, you know,

1267
01:18:18,090 --> 01:18:22,950
middle class. But they knew it
was up and they they knew what

1268
01:18:22,980 --> 01:18:27,480
West Virginia could be a little
different culturally. But Only

1269
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:31,920
now do I realize? Because I was
just oblivious. Interesting.

1270
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:32,430
Okay.

1271
01:18:32,940 --> 01:18:36,750
And I'm just pointing it out
there. Before and this time you

1272
01:18:36,750 --> 01:18:39,600
didn't you are young white men
and how to do these

1273
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,620
calculations. But now fast
forward 15 years? Oh, yeah, you

1274
01:18:43,620 --> 01:18:46,770
really got to think about I
can't say that or how that

1275
01:18:47,730 --> 01:18:52,140
is? Yeah, for most people. Now
I've created a life and a job in

1276
01:18:52,170 --> 01:18:55,560
an environment where I can
literally speak whatever the

1277
01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:01,350
hell I want to say all the time.
And not have to worry about

1278
01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:04,920
losing my job. Well, I mean, I
can worry value can drop them if

1279
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,630
I mess it up. But that violated
some horrible norms. But for

1280
01:19:09,630 --> 01:19:13,320
most people, it's just gotten
progressively worse, especially

1281
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,600
in the office environment or in
the work environment, the

1282
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:16,410
workplace.

1283
01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:20,040
And this was their first
iteration of like said the woke

1284
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,880
culture showing his head and the
cancel cannon. We got to burn

1285
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:29,520
Duke burn Duke. That's the
point. So so now I saw I was

1286
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,000
very connected to do and the
reason why is this next two

1287
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,740
clips is from my former pastor,
ah wishes named another doctor,

1288
01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:41,070
not the William Turner and I
think he was over the School of

1289
01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:46,860
Divinity at Duke and he was also
our pastor, which mount level

1290
01:19:46,860 --> 01:19:50,250
Baptist Church in Durham, North
Carolina. And it was you know,

1291
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,900
it was a very powerful thing to
have, you know, a doctor a PhD,

1292
01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:58,290
a legit PhD, not one of these
Bible College cons, not not

1293
01:19:58,290 --> 01:20:03,150
them, but it there's There's a
just to show you there's a

1294
01:20:03,180 --> 01:20:05,700
double standard there. It's
like, Where'd you get your PhD

1295
01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:08,730
from? I'll do all okay. You're a
real doctor. Yeah, not like a

1296
01:20:08,730 --> 01:20:16,920
doctor. That kind of thing,
right? You know. So. So, here,

1297
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,190
he had his sermon called the
beloved, the beloved, okay,

1298
01:20:20,190 --> 01:20:23,910
beloved, and unloving chaos. So
he kind of talks about their

1299
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:27,810
environment of do when he went
there, and he kind of had to be

1300
01:20:27,810 --> 01:20:32,280
in like the 60s and 70s, when he
was there, um, as a student, and

1301
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,940
he gives that kind of he gives a
perception of Duke. And this is

1302
01:20:35,940 --> 01:20:39,510
kind of like teaching that I can
set up under, as a young kid,

1303
01:20:39,540 --> 01:20:41,790
instead of saying, still teenage
years.

1304
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:52,680
What are the consequences of
knowing yourself as loved and

1305
01:20:52,680 --> 01:21:00,690
believing that everyone else is
beloved, just like you then set

1306
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:08,760
that reality over against the
one of knowing that you are

1307
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:15,210
beloved. And seeing those who
around you treated like they are

1308
01:21:15,210 --> 01:21:23,880
not the love even more, to see
them abused, treated like they

1309
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:32,820
are despised objects, to, for
the convenience of others. What

1310
01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:38,130
we know about being beloved, was
set alongside what we saw. And

1311
01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:45,600
it produced great contradiction
and tension 50 years ago, right

1312
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:52,740
here on this campus, those of us
coming from our own discrete

1313
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:59,340
privileges. were forced to
acknowledge what they were. It

1314
01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:05,550
blew my mind to find out that
the men on this campus, the West

1315
01:22:05,550 --> 01:22:12,840
Campus, receive maid service.
That is a woman, a person, a

1316
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:18,150
human being, would come behind
us and pick apart pajamas and

1317
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:23,160
anything else we left when we
came back or was set in place.

1318
01:22:26,610 --> 01:22:31,680
So that's Dr. William William C.
Turner, of Duke University and

1319
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,660
mount lube Baptist Church. I
don't know if he's still there

1320
01:22:33,660 --> 01:22:35,040
now or not? Yes, yeah.

1321
01:22:35,070 --> 01:22:37,470
I was just looking at their
website.

1322
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:43,200
I mean, he, I mean, I was, what
19 years old, he does the sermon

1323
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:43,560
on there,

1324
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:48,420
he does a sermon seated, I can
see a little less, he has to sit

1325
01:22:48,420 --> 01:22:50,820
down dirt and doing the sermon.
So he Oh, yeah.

1326
01:22:50,820 --> 01:22:55,410
So what I'm going to show you
that when you grow up in this

1327
01:22:55,410 --> 01:23:00,810
kind of environment where your
pastor is a PhD from Duke, um,

1328
01:23:01,020 --> 01:23:05,220
you have several other people in
the congregation from Duke, and

1329
01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:10,380
other universities. You want a
music minister, his daughter was

1330
01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:16,200
like, a super genius. And she
went on to go to MIT. It was it

1331
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:20,370
gave us the perception, like
anything was possible. Sure. So

1332
01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:26,400
I'm just showing you how, even
in an environment that he was

1333
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:30,930
saying, like when he went to do
the maybes, were seen as

1334
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,140
objects, right? But he was, he
was loved. Right? Right. He's

1335
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:38,700
like, Okay, here's a, you know,
black super student, we can love

1336
01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:42,090
him. But then the main, she's
this object. And it's this

1337
01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:47,010
complex, creative contradiction
that goes on. So I'm just laying

1338
01:23:47,010 --> 01:23:51,150
this all out there. In this
place called Do you can have

1339
01:23:51,150 --> 01:23:54,870
somebody that is receiving their
PhD, but they're getting their

1340
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:59,070
stuff picked up by a nurse and a
black lady just kind of looked

1341
01:23:59,070 --> 01:24:03,150
at as, like, you know, just to
help. Um, so I'm just trying to

1342
01:24:03,150 --> 01:24:07,110
say I'm just giving texture to
what, what my experience was,

1343
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:11,190
and also what was going on at
the campus to you know, to

1344
01:24:11,190 --> 01:24:15,660
develop this kind of culture.
So, um, hopefully, hopefully is

1345
01:24:15,660 --> 01:24:16,320
translating.

1346
01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:18,180
Yeah. When was this?

1347
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:22,830
That clip from what what was the
data? And this is the 2018.

1348
01:24:23,220 --> 01:24:26,640
Okay, not that long ago. Yeah,
this is right. This is this is

1349
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,960
super recent. So, um, yeah, so
he was 50 years ago. So that had

1350
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:37,110
to be 1970s 1968. Yeah. Um, so
let's get to his second part of

1351
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:37,650
his clip.

1352
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:45,150
The privilege I enjoyed, was
that I knew what it meant to be

1353
01:24:45,150 --> 01:24:50,340
the apple of my mother's the
apple of my father's eye, the

1354
01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:56,610
darling of my community, my
school, my church. So great

1355
01:24:56,610 --> 01:25:01,920
distance was precipitated on the
inside. Aside from the Naval

1356
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:06,720
knowledge of what it meant to be
beloved, and then to be treated

1357
01:25:06,780 --> 01:25:14,280
as unloved, on rope become even
worse, to see people like the

1358
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,700
ones I cherished, and who I had
come to love and who are

1359
01:25:17,700 --> 01:25:22,740
cherished me treat it like they
were object of someone else's

1360
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:31,230
desire. housekeepers calm by the
first names. People only love

1361
01:25:31,230 --> 01:25:35,820
receiving paid below minimum
wage knowing the school

1362
01:25:35,850 --> 01:25:41,370
patronized institutions that
still practice racial

1363
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:47,430
segregation, going to classes
where your experience was

1364
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:53,910
disregarded that the time came.
Where the meaning and experience

1365
01:25:53,910 --> 01:26:00,420
of being beloved clashed with
behaviors and performances that

1366
01:26:00,450 --> 01:26:07,920
misspoke everything but love. We
could keep our eyes fixed on the

1367
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:12,450
train that was coming. The train
the impression sing about the

1368
01:26:12,450 --> 01:26:17,190
set, you don't need no baggage.
You get on board or you need to

1369
01:26:17,190 --> 01:26:20,250
say, to hear the diesel's
humming

1370
01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:25,020
Alright, what do I take away
from that?

1371
01:26:25,890 --> 01:26:31,860
So he was more he was just
saying that just texted to get

1372
01:26:31,860 --> 01:26:36,180
perspective that he was a star
student and this goes that town

1373
01:26:36,180 --> 01:26:42,510
that 10th Boulais mentality of
okay, we will sabotage you. But

1374
01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:45,390
it leads to more to what the
doctor were saying as well. Once

1375
01:26:45,390 --> 01:26:50,250
he knew I was a doctor all he
treated me like a human. Um, so

1376
01:26:50,460 --> 01:26:54,390
all this is baked into what Duke
is. And the reason why I put

1377
01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:58,920
this these two clips in here is
don't Don't get it twisted. The

1378
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:03,210
Duke understood donating money
to the Methodist church with

1379
01:27:03,210 --> 01:27:09,510
trigger now to the African
Methodist. am me. Sure. Which

1380
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:12,360
was the reverend's which they
say how to control people.

1381
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,150
Always got to rev.

1382
01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:18,420
Alright, so they had all the
bases covered. And the reason

1383
01:27:18,420 --> 01:27:21,480
why I brought this up. Another
reason I brought this up is the

1384
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:25,770
reverence were very quiet on
this case. They knew where their

1385
01:27:25,770 --> 01:27:31,140
bread was buttered. Oh, bad.
That's why you had to go get a

1386
01:27:31,170 --> 01:27:34,380
What was his name? Malik.
Chabad. Bass. Yeah. You know, I

1387
01:27:34,380 --> 01:27:36,630
mean, any other time you would
have had an Al Sharpton Jesse

1388
01:27:36,630 --> 01:27:39,540
Jackson. But they knew it's
like, you don't really want to

1389
01:27:39,540 --> 01:27:42,060
step on Dukes toes. So

1390
01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:46,980
Right. Yeah. What I mean? Yeah,
well, this, this is there. They

1391
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,190
they are Durham and they are
North Carolina's business.

1392
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:56,220
Yeah, I mean, in more ways than
one. So now we get into the

1393
01:27:56,250 --> 01:27:58,860
other businesses that they took
part in. This is going back to

1394
01:27:58,860 --> 01:28:01,320
the history clips from Robert
Darnton

1395
01:28:01,740 --> 01:28:05,820
in the business area, I think
the most creative thing he did

1396
01:28:05,820 --> 01:28:11,880
was was the Duke Power Company.
phenomenally, creative,

1397
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:17,280
visionary sort of enterprise. He
got into hydroelectric power

1398
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,270
when it was the frontier of so
many people were scared of

1399
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:24,840
electricity, and they had to
sell the idea of electricity to

1400
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,340
a lot of Milan. Textile Milan
was because they were scared of

1401
01:28:29,340 --> 01:28:36,180
it. But I think that was a
tremendous, tremendously

1402
01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:42,180
creative sort of thing. And one
reason he wanted to he got into

1403
01:28:42,210 --> 01:28:47,970
hydroelectricity was because he
didn't talk a lot about his

1404
01:28:47,970 --> 01:28:53,490
motives, his reasons for doing
things but and he never wants to

1405
01:28:53,490 --> 01:28:59,070
use the term New South. As far
as I know, I never saw it. But

1406
01:28:59,070 --> 01:29:02,370
he was stressed about the
poverty of this region after the

1407
01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:07,530
Civil War, he grew up in it. And
I think he saw textile

1408
01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:12,180
manufacturing as the best avenue
out of this poverty. And of

1409
01:29:12,180 --> 01:29:15,720
course, he wants to sell hydro
electricity to these textile

1410
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:20,430
mills. And of course, that's
exactly what happened. So that

1411
01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:24,930
the the Carolina Piedmont became
one of the great suitors of the

1412
01:29:24,930 --> 01:29:28,950
textile industry. Now that day
has passed, of course, but the

1413
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:34,560
textile industry laid a
foundation. What today is one of

1414
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:39,000
the most prosperous,
economically advanced regions in

1415
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:39,600
the country?

1416
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:45,840
Wow, man, that was 1905. When
they put the they use the dam.

1417
01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:50,670
Yes, to generate electricity
that that's like back to Tesla

1418
01:29:50,670 --> 01:29:53,520
days, almost. It's not long
after Niagara Falls.

1419
01:29:53,820 --> 01:29:58,110
Right. And what that does was
that opened up the textile mill.

1420
01:29:58,110 --> 01:30:02,820
Sure. So now the Dukes The
hospital. They have the in case,

1421
01:30:03,540 --> 01:30:06,450
your hand gets in the mill right
in the gin and the cotton's

1422
01:30:07,859 --> 01:30:10,709
the pornchai. Makers, where are
you going to work? This not Duke

1423
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:13,709
connected, you have the textile
mills, which is running off Duke

1424
01:30:13,709 --> 01:30:19,619
Power. You have the hospital,
you have the tobacco company.

1425
01:30:20,099 --> 01:30:25,139
Maybe you have the university
itself. And it's damn near

1426
01:30:25,139 --> 01:30:29,729
impossible to work in a place in
Durham, there's not insurance by

1427
01:30:29,729 --> 01:30:30,449
Duke. Sure,

1428
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:35,430
sure. But yeah, that's that's
the same was like college

1429
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:39,450
station, you know, has a&m and
there's lots of places that have

1430
01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:43,470
that rich, rich history of multi
generations. But this one's

1431
01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:44,310
quite unique.

1432
01:30:45,150 --> 01:30:48,900
So I'm just setting up the
opponent. Yeah, that you know,

1433
01:30:48,900 --> 01:30:52,410
this, this woman and the DA
we're going to get Oh, yeah.

1434
01:30:53,970 --> 01:30:56,490
This is David and Goliath to the
max.

1435
01:30:56,759 --> 01:30:59,789
Are you dumb? I mean, I don't I
don't get where you

1436
01:30:59,820 --> 01:31:03,090
both both. Sometimes, if you're
really trying to run an OP or

1437
01:31:03,090 --> 01:31:07,560
something. Yeah, the bigger the
lie, the more believable it is.

1438
01:31:08,490 --> 01:31:11,370
And that's the point. It's like,
what what really happened here

1439
01:31:11,370 --> 01:31:16,140
who really put that battery in
iPhones back? He knows he knows

1440
01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:21,090
the politics. Oh, who is going
against? Was this the inside

1441
01:31:21,090 --> 01:31:23,670
coup? And we really have to look
at that. And

1442
01:31:23,670 --> 01:31:30,990
inside was it within Duke
University? Yes. Well, no matter

1443
01:31:30,990 --> 01:31:38,790
what, no matter what mine, My
money's on Buck. Buck, Buck

1444
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:40,050
sounds like the guy to me.

1445
01:31:41,340 --> 01:31:45,090
So to have the textile mills
that have the hospitals that

1446
01:31:45,090 --> 01:31:50,460
have them, the tobacco
warehouses, they have everything

1447
01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:53,430
wrapped up in the whole city.
And this guy thinks he's gonna

1448
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:56,040
pull one over on the Duke
lacrosse team, and it's not

1449
01:31:56,040 --> 01:32:00,390
going to happen. So I guess,
what we can do is we can go

1450
01:32:00,390 --> 01:32:04,500
ahead and jump into 1980. And
this is just a little fun fact.

1451
01:32:04,530 --> 01:32:08,880
This is from the Duke University
Sanford School of Public Policy.

1452
01:32:09,150 --> 01:32:12,150
And just to go you show you how
some of the things that were

1453
01:32:12,150 --> 01:32:15,150
going on in DERM are public news
now.

1454
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:22,950
Not only were you not allowed to
sell to non Caucasians, it was

1455
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:28,500
prohibited for you to have non
Caucasians spend the night

1456
01:32:29,130 --> 01:32:37,290
unless they were a household
servant. In the early 1930s, the

1457
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:41,550
white women's garden club
decided that Durham was really

1458
01:32:41,550 --> 01:32:46,440
missing a tree county that in
order to make the city more

1459
01:32:46,770 --> 01:32:50,520
attractive to people and make it
more comfortable for the people

1460
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:54,300
lived here that the city should
really undertake a massive tree

1461
01:32:54,300 --> 01:32:59,580
planting campaign. What was
interesting was that the only

1462
01:32:59,580 --> 01:33:04,380
place the trees were planted
we're in Welton, do white

1463
01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:07,500
neighborhoods like the one in
Trinity park that we're standing

1464
01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:09,450
in right now your own watch
street

1465
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,220
no tree for you that you

1466
01:33:14,220 --> 01:33:19,170
can see on this map. Every block
in the city where they planted

1467
01:33:19,170 --> 01:33:22,860
trees like this large one right
here. There were no trees

1468
01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:26,280
planted in any of the African
American neighborhoods or any of

1469
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,590
the white working class
neighborhoods.

1470
01:33:29,370 --> 01:33:32,370
Somehow I remember this I don't
know if we had if we talked

1471
01:33:32,370 --> 01:33:33,750
about it previously.

1472
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,470
Notice is in the news recently,
trees are racist.

1473
01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:43,050
Oh, of course. Yes. I'm sorry.
I'm so good. My history just

1474
01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:43,950
creeps up on me.

1475
01:33:44,430 --> 01:33:47,640
Right so this is the whole thing
now with trees being racist that

1476
01:33:47,940 --> 01:33:51,570
that's the whole talking point.
Like I said, what was happening

1477
01:33:51,570 --> 01:33:58,920
in this case? happening at Duke
was a really a testbed for what

1478
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:07,230
we're seeing with woke culture
right now. Huh? Yeah, but dude,

1479
01:34:07,230 --> 01:34:11,070
I can see trees erasing. Tree
trees are racist roads are

1480
01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:15,360
racist. That's DERM because they
ran out and that's true. Not not

1481
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,810
the like somebody said the
Puerto Rican buses that they

1482
01:34:18,810 --> 01:34:22,200
were trying to take out the Joan
Beach. I'm talking about they

1483
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:26,220
use urban development to run
Durham freeway right in the

1484
01:34:26,220 --> 01:34:30,180
middle of Hayti which is a was
the Black Wall Street turn

1485
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:35,430
right? So these things are real
but these won't people

1486
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:40,800
trivialize them to the point
where they have no they lose

1487
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:46,320
their potency to say oh rows are
racist or trees are racist. Um,

1488
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,320
but the thing with the trees I
don't understand it. Why can

1489
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:52,440
people plant their own trees?
See, this is this is the point

1490
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:55,890
where you're like you're saying
with Bitcoin or whatever else,

1491
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,850
do your own thing. Plant your
own trees. Don't wait for the

1492
01:34:59,850 --> 01:35:00,000
tree.

1493
01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:03,270
to show up

1494
01:35:04,830 --> 01:35:08,280
what trees are wonder, right?
One of the really things that

1495
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:12,360
just as a quick aside that can
show well, that you can buy a

1496
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:16,770
tree. I mean, you can, but it's
kind of like institutional

1497
01:35:16,770 --> 01:35:20,340
wealth, it's just the way it has
to be planted, grown, tended to,

1498
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,390
or you can come in and just buy
the property that tree has been

1499
01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:27,240
grown on, which basically,
you're buying time. Right,

1500
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,660
right, you don't have time, you
don't have time. Or you want a

1501
01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:35,910
tree, that I mean, but that
lawns and trees that's like one

1502
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:38,730
of the most like, privilege
themes that you can have,

1503
01:35:38,789 --> 01:35:41,579
that kind of goes back to what
the pastor said, you can you can

1504
01:35:41,579 --> 01:35:45,509
be the victim or you can not
feel like a victim.

1505
01:35:46,020 --> 01:35:48,420
Right. And that's that's the
point I was making that when

1506
01:35:48,450 --> 01:35:51,180
people say, Oh, well, my why
you're kind of different or

1507
01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:57,000
whatever. It's because I was
incubated in a environment, one

1508
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,840
being the home. And that's why I
say family is important, a huge,

1509
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:04,890
important component of this
show. Because look at the Duke

1510
01:36:04,890 --> 01:36:08,700
Family, that was a family, they
set out to have a family vision.

1511
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,560
And that's how you get to that
point,

1512
01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:14,100
right? But But just because you
may not have grown up in that

1513
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:16,650
type of environment, or that
type of family doesn't mean you

1514
01:36:16,650 --> 01:36:17,550
can't change.

1515
01:36:18,419 --> 01:36:21,629
It's very hard. I mean, I'm not
I'm not being duped, but I'm

1516
01:36:21,629 --> 01:36:25,859
just saying it's baked into your
psychology that you can't do

1517
01:36:26,009 --> 01:36:29,849
that there's a ceiling over your
head. This is a this is a real

1518
01:36:29,849 --> 01:36:34,709
thing. Yeah. And for every Nancy
Grace, I just take color out of

1519
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:38,849
it. But for every Nancy Grace,
that grew up in that dirt road,

1520
01:36:38,879 --> 01:36:42,089
yeah, there's probably 50 that
say, You know what, I'll never

1521
01:36:42,089 --> 01:36:46,109
get past this dirt road, right.
So just going to show you that

1522
01:36:47,279 --> 01:36:53,069
the psychological aspects of no
of you know, just the the victim

1523
01:36:53,129 --> 01:36:57,509
make victimization, the things
that sold in critical race

1524
01:36:57,509 --> 01:37:00,929
theory, this is all plays into
this whole case. But I had to

1525
01:37:00,929 --> 01:37:04,949
lay it out in this way to say,
Okay, this is who they're going

1526
01:37:04,949 --> 01:37:11,459
up against. Um, and this is why
they were so hated. They rep

1527
01:37:11,459 --> 01:37:15,899
they were representations,
physical representation of this

1528
01:37:15,899 --> 01:37:19,679
white privilege, these three
boys was an all the iron was put

1529
01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:20,099
on them.

1530
01:37:20,340 --> 01:37:24,570
This is just the wind up, ladies
and gentlemen, we're just the

1531
01:37:24,570 --> 01:37:27,720
pitch is yet to come, you know,
it's gonna be great, I think we

1532
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,100
should take a little break here.

1533
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,810
Black men have to be able to sit
down at the same table for white

1534
01:37:33,810 --> 01:37:36,390
man has to feel free to speak
his mind without hurting the

1535
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:39,420
feelings of that negro. And the
Football League or has to feel

1536
01:37:39,420 --> 01:37:42,630
free to speak his mind without
hurting the feeling of the white

1537
01:37:42,630 --> 01:37:45,630
man can bring the issues that
are under the rug out on top of

1538
01:37:45,630 --> 01:37:48,090
the table and take an
intelligent approach to get the

1539
01:37:48,090 --> 01:37:49,560
problem solved. That's the only
way.

1540
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:55,500
Yeah, and I think we've actually
been doing some of that today on

1541
01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:59,310
the show. Yes, it's good. This
is the legendary words of

1542
01:37:59,310 --> 01:38:02,790
Malcolm X. And we're doing
exactly that sitting down and

1543
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:05,970
just talking about it. Now we
got to talk about the value for

1544
01:38:05,970 --> 01:38:11,370
value in which this is produced
this entire podcast, which means

1545
01:38:11,790 --> 01:38:14,640
exactly the way it sounds, if
you get any value out of

1546
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,970
listening to this, no matter
what it is, that could be based

1547
01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:20,760
upon three hours of
entertainment for yourself, or

1548
01:38:21,060 --> 01:38:24,510
equivalent to a couple of
courses at a university history

1549
01:38:24,540 --> 01:38:28,950
class, which is what it is to
me. Turn that around into a

1550
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:32,010
number send it to us send it to
us. And that'll be the value.

1551
01:38:32,010 --> 01:38:35,490
And the great thing about it is
it's what the value means to you

1552
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,220
something that you get to
determine. And it is the only

1553
01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:42,060
way that we can keep this going
now more important than ever, as

1554
01:38:42,330 --> 01:38:46,830
Moe, you're still in limbo on on
your company and your your work.

1555
01:38:47,310 --> 01:38:51,870
Yes, I'm still in limbo of you
know, my employment status. And

1556
01:38:51,870 --> 01:38:55,980
value definitely is needed. But
I want to make one point about

1557
01:38:55,980 --> 01:39:00,660
this show. It's not about the
downward thinking of race.

1558
01:39:00,780 --> 01:39:03,780
That's not what the point I'm
trying to make is, I'm showing

1559
01:39:03,780 --> 01:39:08,820
this show is functioning
families. Yeah, in life in multi

1560
01:39:08,820 --> 01:39:12,450
generational thinking, is the
way out the takeaway I want

1561
01:39:12,450 --> 01:39:16,170
people to take away from this,
I'm just illustrating how these

1562
01:39:16,170 --> 01:39:20,700
two things are colliding of
people that want you to be a

1563
01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:24,720
downward thinker. And you know,
you can't achieve this and that

1564
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,510
kind of thing and being short
example of what the Duke Family

1565
01:39:27,810 --> 01:39:32,760
to say, look, they had plans for
their family, you know, what is

1566
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,950
going to be and that's kind of
the same thing. I see that in

1567
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:40,260
myself. I have plans for my
family. And this podcast is the

1568
01:39:40,260 --> 01:39:44,070
beginning of it, you know, it's
not the end. And if everybody

1569
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:48,720
assumes value alone, they're
buying into that, you know, the

1570
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,730
bigger plan because there is a
bigger plan.

1571
01:39:51,660 --> 01:39:54,630
Yes, and it's interesting that
you say that this surrounds

1572
01:39:54,630 --> 01:39:58,470
family because this truly is the
MO facts fam.

1573
01:39:59,130 --> 01:40:01,860
Yes, the facts man. Family,
family and

1574
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,760
family and we got we got ideas
for that. Stay tuned. Also,

1575
01:40:05,970 --> 01:40:10,530
thank you to everybody who has
been diligently using a one of

1576
01:40:10,530 --> 01:40:16,380
the new podcast apps. So the on
cancelable uninterruptible,

1577
01:40:16,650 --> 01:40:20,460
streaming payments of podcasts
in 2.0. You can get a new app at

1578
01:40:20,460 --> 01:40:24,930
new podcast apps calm, there's,
for any platform, I personally,

1579
01:40:24,930 --> 01:40:29,040
I like the web players. It has a
Bitcoin wallet in there and you

1580
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:33,150
can stream value while you're
listening to it, you hit play,

1581
01:40:33,150 --> 01:40:36,360
it starts to hit stop, it stops.
But you can also send a booster

1582
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:41,910
Graham just like a super chat.
And so we just got the software

1583
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:44,940
to read that and I was trying to
compile the whole list and then

1584
01:40:44,940 --> 01:40:49,050
it went away. And so I promise
in for the next show, we'll have

1585
01:40:49,050 --> 01:40:52,950
a number of booster grams that
people send through its MO You

1586
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:57,420
have no idea how cool it is to
see little pieces of Bitcoin

1587
01:40:57,420 --> 01:41:00,960
come into our wallet every
single minute of every single

1588
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:01,350
day.

1589
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:04,440
And that's what I'm talking
about right there. That's that's

1590
01:41:04,440 --> 01:41:08,730
the fourth thing. People have no
clue Adam, they have no clue how

1591
01:41:08,730 --> 01:41:13,260
big this thing is gonna be. And
their value is the you know, the

1592
01:41:13,260 --> 01:41:17,010
gasoline is gonna get there and
we're just power and new power

1593
01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:18,030
and we're just stacking

1594
01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:20,790
that we're just letting that sit
in our wallet and that's, you

1595
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:23,670
know, we'll be able to maybe
finance something bigger from

1596
01:41:23,670 --> 01:41:28,020
that in the future. Not today
though. Is bitcoins about 50,000

1597
01:41:28,020 --> 01:41:32,190
But we're not worried Come on go
Bitcoin

1598
01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:37,020
Hey, keep keep talking. But
that's about perspective.

1599
01:41:37,170 --> 01:41:42,180
Exactly. 36 No, no, it's I love
that you said I love that you

1600
01:41:42,180 --> 01:41:48,630
said you need to grow a tree.
Bitcoin is the same way. It's

1601
01:41:48,630 --> 01:41:52,470
not an in and out and here's
boom, here's my tree and now I

1602
01:41:52,500 --> 01:41:56,190
you know I now I get the Lambo
No, no, no, no, no, this is, you

1603
01:41:56,190 --> 01:41:59,670
know, three years, five years,
ultimately, 10 years, I have

1604
01:41:59,670 --> 01:42:03,390
wallets set up for every single
child in my life. And every

1605
01:42:03,390 --> 01:42:07,260
single one of them has 1 million
Satoshis in there. And

1606
01:42:07,890 --> 01:42:11,370
sorry, I see. Yes. My point.
Yeah,

1607
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:14,580
well, I just started this and
it's so it's one it's 1 million

1608
01:42:14,580 --> 01:42:21,330
Satoshis which right now today
is about $500 and it when I look

1609
01:42:21,330 --> 01:42:24,720
at all the kids that I'm
connected to it's actually more

1610
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,840
than I thought you know, it's
like there's like 1011 kids so

1611
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:33,840
and they're all going to get the
the 12 key words upon my death

1612
01:42:33,870 --> 01:42:37,200
or at other time in the future
and then they can do whatever

1613
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,290
they want and no one can steal
that from them no one can take

1614
01:42:40,290 --> 01:42:46,680
it away ever no government no
nobody no nobody that's a WS

1615
01:42:46,710 --> 01:42:47,100
that's the

1616
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:47,850
thing right there.

1617
01:42:50,850 --> 01:42:54,270
Hey, you know what, I need to do
some kind of Bitcoin thing on

1618
01:42:54,270 --> 01:42:57,000
the mo faksa Entertainment
enterprises network. You should

1619
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,000
set me up. Get me in touch with
the CEO.

1620
01:43:00,509 --> 01:43:01,559
We definitely do we

1621
01:43:02,610 --> 01:43:06,330
need to talk to the CEO.
Alright, but now we really

1622
01:43:06,330 --> 01:43:09,600
appreciate people who've been
sending in the Fiat fun coupons.

1623
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,540
This is through the PayPal or
the cash app. This is super

1624
01:43:12,540 --> 01:43:15,660
important because this actually
is funding it while we continue

1625
01:43:15,660 --> 01:43:19,410
to build for the future. So
doing both is even better and we

1626
01:43:19,410 --> 01:43:20,280
got to kick it off

1627
01:43:21,150 --> 01:43:22,230
Sakala

1628
01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:24,930
20 Blaze on I am Paula

1629
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:28,350
we got to kick it off with Buddy
Arsenault who comes in with a

1630
01:43:28,380 --> 01:43:35,610
highly recognizable $333.33 and
threes yes it's a it's a nice

1631
01:43:35,610 --> 01:43:39,600
row of threes. He says the Kyle
episode was enlightening. I

1632
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:45,390
still love I still love you do I
still love you do not quite sure

1633
01:43:45,630 --> 01:43:49,020
what if that was meant to be
there. I grew up in a lot of

1634
01:43:49,020 --> 01:43:51,330
what you bring to the table
please keep it going. Please

1635
01:43:51,330 --> 01:43:55,890
give me some and everyone some
good karma. Maybe do some words

1636
01:43:55,890 --> 01:43:59,550
of dropping out. I think we'll
do a mo goat karma here. Hold on

1637
01:43:59,550 --> 01:44:06,210
a second. You've got Buddy,
thank you so much, man big

1638
01:44:06,210 --> 01:44:09,660
baller that'll be in the credits
in the show notes at mo

1639
01:44:09,660 --> 01:44:13,650
facts.com Really appreciate it
this is this is good man because

1640
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:17,490
you know Moe is stalking as well
with an uncertain future when

1641
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,100
when do we know for sure with I
mean

1642
01:44:20,220 --> 01:44:25,050
his job image January I'll have
a definitive answer on the

1643
01:44:25,050 --> 01:44:29,160
status is leaning like it's not
it's not it's not gonna go that

1644
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,770
way. And but you know, we'll see
how it goes.

1645
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:34,740
There's not going to go which
way that

1646
01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:37,920
they're not I don't think
they're gonna reverse the status

1647
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,310
of the mandate for the for the
corporation? I don't think so. I

1648
01:44:41,310 --> 01:44:44,760
think that Paul OSHA thing was
just the tip of the hat to the

1649
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:46,440
company's corporate Yeah,

1650
01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:50,160
right. And I agree they it seems
like everyone's ignoring any

1651
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:56,910
lawsuits about it or anything.
Anyway. The famous with you, Mo

1652
01:44:57,660 --> 01:44:58,920
I appreciate every one of

1653
01:44:59,339 --> 01:45:03,029
250 dollars NS and executive
producer credit for calling

1654
01:45:03,029 --> 01:45:06,389
McClain. Mo I appreciate you and
Adam standing up against

1655
01:45:06,389 --> 01:45:09,449
misinformation from the corrupt
corporate media. Proudly

1656
01:45:09,449 --> 01:45:12,719
unvaccinated in the communist
state of Washington respect we

1657
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:18,929
much. Very good. Thank you
calling dance Houston $250 Y'all

1658
01:45:18,929 --> 01:45:22,019
swing by the Nutcracker party.
It's Christmas family special

1659
01:45:22,019 --> 01:45:26,249
available on Vimeo on Amazon
Prime Video from $1.99 What is

1660
01:45:26,249 --> 01:45:30,929
this an ad? Oh no, no, no I know
this is you know, this is this

1661
01:45:30,929 --> 01:45:37,109
is our producer who, who I think
is in it or produced it? Yeah,

1662
01:45:37,409 --> 01:45:40,529
dance Houston tells the classic
tale with new moves the

1663
01:45:40,529 --> 01:45:44,009
Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite,
rearranges, hip hop, Latin

1664
01:45:44,009 --> 01:45:47,489
country, reggae and rock. We're
doing way more than sitting down

1665
01:45:47,489 --> 01:45:50,069
together. The amazing soundtrack
is also available on all

1666
01:45:50,069 --> 01:45:54,779
streaming platforms if we don't
have the name, but this producer

1667
01:45:54,779 --> 01:45:59,999
also sent in a somewhat longer
note to no agenda and actually

1668
01:45:59,999 --> 01:46:04,259
produced this nutcrackers thing.
Nice. Yeah, it's like, you know,

1669
01:46:04,259 --> 01:46:11,459
it's like a Hamilton. Only the
Nutcracker. No, put that on. We

1670
01:46:11,459 --> 01:46:15,479
already laughed about it. Man,
we got to do a thing on Lindman.

1671
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:20,339
Well, what's his name Noriega. I
always say? We're gonna talk

1672
01:46:20,339 --> 01:46:25,079
about that guy. Okay. Continuing
Lorraine Converse who sent us a

1673
01:46:25,079 --> 01:46:30,959
row a duck's 222 and 22 it AMone
Adam hope I note finds you in

1674
01:46:30,959 --> 01:46:33,269
good spirits and your families
and good health. Yes, I believe

1675
01:46:33,269 --> 01:46:36,359
we are. You don't have to read
this loudest the episode is

1676
01:46:36,359 --> 01:46:41,429
running long now. It come on is
Lorraine, you're an executive

1677
01:46:41,429 --> 01:46:45,749
producer we read EP EPS right
which I'm sure everyone wants to

1678
01:46:45,749 --> 01:46:48,359
hear you discuss the new topic
then listen to my know what

1679
01:46:48,359 --> 01:46:51,209
we'll say. Many of the topics
are difficult to delve into but

1680
01:46:51,209 --> 01:46:54,149
your discussions are measured
and considered without dumbing

1681
01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:57,989
it down or condescending to your
listeners. Some past episodes

1682
01:46:57,989 --> 01:47:00,989
have haunted me because of how
brutal The reality is. And I

1683
01:47:00,989 --> 01:47:04,139
appreciate both of you handling
the details in a manner that is

1684
01:47:04,139 --> 01:47:07,589
respectful without suppressing
the truth. As a result I have

1685
01:47:07,589 --> 01:47:10,439
encouraged friends and families
to listen to have a few have

1686
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:14,249
become subscribers. Please D
dead beat me and add any other

1687
01:47:14,249 --> 01:47:17,609
jingles you feel appropriate.
Okay,

1688
01:47:18,150 --> 01:47:23,160
congratulation. You're no longer
dead the

1689
01:47:23,190 --> 01:47:27,720
two of you how about I'm sending
you tons of good OSS energy.

1690
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:35,610
Take that. Take that take that
you've got karma and Lorraine

1691
01:47:35,610 --> 01:47:38,460
concludes many blessings much
love thank you for your courage

1692
01:47:38,460 --> 01:47:45,810
Dame brazen bird. Yes. Very
much. On to Jason Kretschmann

1693
01:47:46,110 --> 01:47:49,560
$200 Hello gentlemen. Jason rice
after hearing Adam reference mo

1694
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:53,250
facts of the no agenda show
several times. Yeah, there I am

1695
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,820
doing the marketing. I decided
to subscribe to the show but

1696
01:47:56,820 --> 01:48:00,480
never listened to an episode
until recently. Well, not a

1697
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:04,170
shocker, but I waited too long.
Brilliant. My favorite clip has

1698
01:48:04,170 --> 01:48:08,040
been the trick baby dinner
scene. Mind blown. You've taken

1699
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:10,890
me down way too many rabbit
holes to count Bill Cosby

1700
01:48:10,890 --> 01:48:15,090
colorism, white supremacy and
the most eye opening the Boulay.

1701
01:48:15,210 --> 01:48:18,210
Keep them coming. Jason
Kretschmann. Richmond, Indiana.

1702
01:48:18,210 --> 01:48:24,000
Thanks, Jason. That's how I feel
too. And, and it is it is very

1703
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:28,110
cool. How I think Moe and I
we're not trying to be sensitive

1704
01:48:28,110 --> 01:48:31,320
about anything. We're just
honest. When you're honest. You

1705
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:34,740
know, there's so much falls
away, I think something like

1706
01:48:34,740 --> 01:48:35,760
that. What do you think Mo?

1707
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:39,570
Yeah, the producers that allow
us to be honest, because we

1708
01:48:39,570 --> 01:48:45,060
don't have to cater to
advertisers. So our ego, we

1709
01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:49,710
could be honest by ourselves, of
course, but that's the

1710
01:48:49,710 --> 01:48:53,520
production point. That's the
executive power that they have.

1711
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:54,660
So we appreciate it.

1712
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:59,670
That is it. That is exactly it.
$200 and executive producer EP

1713
01:48:59,670 --> 01:49:04,050
credit for Steven page. honky
lips, Rex Redbone sitting in

1714
01:49:04,050 --> 01:49:06,660
some love. All right. Love it.
cook,

1715
01:49:06,660 --> 01:49:10,440
cook and Rex. Rex is always
cooking something. Oh, is he?

1716
01:49:10,770 --> 01:49:11,970
Yes. Okay.

1717
01:49:13,470 --> 01:49:21,030
Let's see. 175 75 Anonymous take
my money mode. This show is to

1718
01:49:21,090 --> 01:49:24,300
me. He wants me to do it. The
Atom voice this show is too

1719
01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:28,830
important. Like a drop the T's
important. No one can call me a

1720
01:49:28,830 --> 01:49:33,480
deadbeat. Angry hair. Okay. The
People's Republic of Maryland.

1721
01:49:34,500 --> 01:49:41,040
Oral TW right like the wind.
Possibly. Let me deadbeat just

1722
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:44,610
in case that's better. That's
what you meant here. Yeah.

1723
01:49:45,690 --> 01:49:50,970
Congratulation, you're no longer
dead beat

1724
01:49:51,419 --> 01:49:56,639
up credit goes to 100 Auto
share. $100 I'm so grateful for

1725
01:49:56,639 --> 01:49:59,429
you mon Adam. Gratitude is
underappreciated in our

1726
01:49:59,429 --> 01:50:03,509
civilization. grants us interest
in all things. It lights the

1727
01:50:03,509 --> 01:50:06,479
room you occupy ignites your
fascination and allows you to

1728
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:10,349
care for all things. Gratitude
acts as an antidote to violence

1729
01:50:10,349 --> 01:50:14,189
and malice. It is essential to
the advanced spirit for if one

1730
01:50:14,189 --> 01:50:17,639
takes gratitude seriously, it
leads you to the infinite

1731
01:50:17,639 --> 01:50:22,499
mystery of existence. Oh man,
that's deep. Thank you. PS I

1732
01:50:22,499 --> 01:50:25,439
don't know how guitar tech slash
leather Smith can be of

1733
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:28,139
assistance to you but I offer my
talents in addition to some

1734
01:50:28,139 --> 01:50:31,319
treasure. Yes, time talent
treasure. That's all we ask.

1735
01:50:31,319 --> 01:50:35,249
It's all we need really to
produce this podcast. We'll get

1736
01:50:35,249 --> 01:50:36,359
back to your smooth

1737
01:50:36,450 --> 01:50:40,470
leathers. Yeah, guitar tech. We
can find work for you

1738
01:50:41,850 --> 01:50:44,970
will find something we're
ramping up Don't worry most most

1739
01:50:44,970 --> 01:50:48,240
taking meetings. He's got a
calendar. He's talking to people

1740
01:50:48,330 --> 01:50:48,780
then the

1741
01:50:48,780 --> 01:50:53,280
booking information link tree
and I just let people know I had

1742
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,700
several meetings last week
talking to producers. So this is

1743
01:50:56,700 --> 01:51:03,960
a real thing and just to go
quickly back what was her name?

1744
01:51:04,020 --> 01:51:08,250
I lost her name. Lorraine.
Lorraine. Lorraine Converse.

1745
01:51:08,820 --> 01:51:13,470
She's a project manager. Add
your own no agenda social we'll

1746
01:51:13,470 --> 01:51:20,430
be talking nice. I'm utilizing
every every option given to me.

1747
01:51:22,410 --> 01:51:25,410
It's fun seeing a new empire
being built. Lovely.

1748
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:29,340
I'm in my cocoon. David roll

1749
01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:33,720
EP credit with $100 Here's a
1010 spot 10 times spot for

1750
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:36,780
buying one Sherman tank round in
the southern hill country of

1751
01:51:36,780 --> 01:51:41,340
Texas. Mo make sure you get the
fire at Adam be the target. He

1752
01:51:41,340 --> 01:51:46,860
will just be a flesh rune give
blacks tanks. You would love

1753
01:51:46,860 --> 01:51:49,050
that mo this this ranch I went
to

1754
01:51:49,620 --> 01:51:52,800
Eolas hear about that. Getting
shoot stuff that sounds

1755
01:51:52,890 --> 01:51:58,050
flame throwers driving tanks
around. I was crazy. I was it

1756
01:51:58,050 --> 01:52:04,350
was a very fun birthday party.
GT maybe for GBT maybe for your

1757
01:52:04,350 --> 01:52:07,380
50s or for your 50th I'll let
you shoot a tank. How about

1758
01:52:07,380 --> 01:52:13,500
that? Nicholas Ray EP with 100
love all the shows in the last

1759
01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:16,500
tapes have been fire. Sorry to
hear about the job but you are

1760
01:52:16,500 --> 01:52:19,680
destined for greater things most
stay strong and we will continue

1761
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:25,410
to support you. Exactly. Facts
fam. Rochelle Stowe grateful for

1762
01:52:25,410 --> 01:52:28,290
you both Mo and Adam. Love you
guys. Keep it up. Thank you,

1763
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:32,010
Michelle for your $100 William
Balak with 100 No, nope, but we

1764
01:52:32,010 --> 01:52:37,710
do appreciate it. Um, then we
have Daniel Miller who has two

1765
01:52:38,130 --> 01:52:42,240
donations, which total 100
together. So I'm just going to

1766
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:45,330
count that as an executive
producer. And I'll read these

1767
01:52:45,330 --> 01:52:48,780
notes here do one for 75 and one
for 25 Keep up the good work

1768
01:52:48,780 --> 01:52:52,080
guys. You guys are breaking down
huge topics and defeating

1769
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,170
talking points with proof and
logic. You guys are making the

1770
01:52:55,170 --> 01:52:59,160
world a better place Thank you.
And thank you second note have

1771
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:02,010
listened to almost all the
episodes now and dispels you

1772
01:53:02,010 --> 01:53:04,620
guys have broken for me have
been amazing. I hope this

1773
01:53:04,620 --> 01:53:08,310
continues for a very long time
and reaches many more people.

1774
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:13,920
And and I need to thank you very
much Daniel. And I need to thank

1775
01:53:14,370 --> 01:53:18,960
Dred Scott who has been doing
massive work, he's going back

1776
01:53:19,410 --> 01:53:22,260
and doing chapters for all these
previous episodes, we're going

1777
01:53:22,260 --> 01:53:27,240
to get the transcripts in. So
it's all searchable because if

1778
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:31,380
there's anything I know what I
want, and maybe there's someone

1779
01:53:31,380 --> 01:53:34,320
out there who can help with
this. It's all the show notes

1780
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:39,120
are always and we are in
structured XML and we have all

1781
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:41,550
these transcripts. It would be
great if there was just one

1782
01:53:41,550 --> 01:53:45,240
place we could go and you type
in you know that one? Oh yeah.

1783
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:49,290
Adam and Joe were talking about
this thing. It'd be a search

1784
01:53:49,290 --> 01:53:52,410
engine and it would pop up. I
know it would pop up clips, it

1785
01:53:52,410 --> 01:53:55,410
would pop up the episode it
would pop up the transcript.

1786
01:53:55,950 --> 01:53:59,640
That's a project we could really
use because I think that's the

1787
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:03,360
content that that you've put
together for us Mo and the whole

1788
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:07,380
the whole podcast is worthy of
that is really is really

1789
01:54:07,380 --> 01:54:07,860
important.

1790
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:10,740
And I'm guarantee somebody is
gonna come up with and these

1791
01:54:10,740 --> 01:54:11,820
transcripts are great

1792
01:54:11,820 --> 01:54:14,280
because they have timecode so
you can just click on it and

1793
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:17,160
boom, it goes right to that spot
in the podcast and you can play

1794
01:54:17,190 --> 01:54:22,800
you can share it. Podcasting 2.0
baby. It's what I do when I get

1795
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:23,430
up in the morning.

1796
01:54:25,890 --> 01:54:27,270
Lag podcasts in the game,

1797
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:31,530
Lanvin when Landry when I know
how to pronounce this more or

1798
01:54:31,530 --> 01:54:36,390
less I think I'm close at 88 and
that's Associate Executive

1799
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:42,000
Producer ship for episode number
72. Traditionally Asians believe

1800
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:46,860
in reincarnation so a number
four meaning death turns into

1801
01:54:46,860 --> 01:54:50,970
eight for luck and good fortune.
i Yes, the the four eights.

1802
01:54:51,300 --> 01:54:56,220
Congrats on setting a strong new
course forward 8888 Also, I'd

1803
01:54:56,220 --> 01:54:58,440
like to thank Jennifer for
giving me a shout out in the

1804
01:54:58,440 --> 01:55:01,650
last show to remind me that fans
Emily means supporting each

1805
01:55:01,650 --> 01:55:05,190
other and we do that here at the
MO facts family I hope this

1806
01:55:05,190 --> 01:55:09,600
support game with tag will
continue and with that I'll give

1807
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:14,160
a big shout out to Miss Judy s
and chefs by V karma jingles for

1808
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:21,120
all his do that right away
you've got so this is Tiger

1809
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:21,570
Auntie

1810
01:55:22,110 --> 01:55:28,140
This is Tiger Judy s and our
very first donator spy V they're

1811
01:55:28,140 --> 01:55:29,640
calling each other out man and

1812
01:55:29,999 --> 01:55:33,539
I love this this is always fun.
Yes I encourage this behavior

1813
01:55:33,539 --> 01:55:36,419
keep donating and calling each
other out this is good we need

1814
01:55:36,419 --> 01:55:38,789
more jumping in Do you have any
family members

1815
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:44,640
enjoy and join and join the Lost
Tapes live I mean that's a whole

1816
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:48,690
nother component of the show.
That if you're missing it if you

1817
01:55:48,690 --> 01:55:52,260
have a Wednesday night it's your
free come over and join us

1818
01:55:52,260 --> 01:55:56,370
because these these three right
here and there's one more Andrea

1819
01:55:56,370 --> 01:56:00,420
missing those for every live and
they're just like cracking up

1820
01:56:00,420 --> 01:56:02,790
laughing and having a good time
so

1821
01:56:03,390 --> 01:56:07,950
so Tiger Auntie gives us a PS if
you donate in Paypal remember to

1822
01:56:07,950 --> 01:56:11,550
donate with a balance to friends
slash family This avoids all

1823
01:56:11,550 --> 01:56:15,060
fees for sender and receiver is
that's where we are the fam so

1824
01:56:15,060 --> 01:56:16,650
that makes total sense. Yes,

1825
01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:24,840
thank you so much Tiger Auntie
OG phone arts? Yes, we know OG

1826
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:29,160
from arcs. We've talked about
them before 808 Thanks, Adam. Mo

1827
01:56:29,190 --> 01:56:36,180
I've made a pointer from facts
innate.com fascinate.com to mo

1828
01:56:36,180 --> 01:56:41,850
facts. cool facts. donate.com
Nice. Bitcoin is the cure for

1829
01:56:41,850 --> 01:56:46,230
parasitic fiat currency.
Sincerely, Alexander Nadal. Yes

1830
01:56:46,230 --> 01:56:51,600
from Oxfam arts OG fo MK arts.
Thank you very much. That's

1831
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:55,890
right. John Taylor. He Associate
Executive producer credit for

1832
01:56:55,890 --> 01:57:00,720
him was 72 that means also a
coveted show donation credit

1833
01:57:00,780 --> 01:57:05,280
right there in the show notes
GBG whoosah Yes, we don't we

1834
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:15,630
never got to give blacks guns.
And we just GBG Oh, yeah, we did

1835
01:57:15,630 --> 01:57:23,910
here it is. Cool. We that's what
I got. Was that was that the one

1836
01:57:23,910 --> 01:57:31,920
yes. That's it. That's it. Okay.
Onward to second show number

1837
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:38,400
donation John corn first $72
corn first corn fourth corn for

1838
01:57:38,490 --> 01:57:41,520
me. I get it right corn fourth
even gives me a nice Asian guy.

1839
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,790
Yes. Mo and Adam, thank you for
continuing to open my eyes to

1840
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:48,180
the reality we have lived every
episode is a history lesson that

1841
01:57:48,180 --> 01:57:52,410
makes me reconsider the ideas I
had and choices I made. I'm

1842
01:57:52,410 --> 01:57:54,930
blessed with with a supportive
wife and two beautiful

1843
01:57:54,930 --> 01:57:58,320
daughters. We have happily lived
outside of the matrix our entire

1844
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:01,140
adult lives. I know that mo will
come out of his current

1845
01:58:01,140 --> 01:58:04,680
situation better for his
decision. Aloha from currently

1846
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:08,400
the freest island in the Pacific
Ocean. Please de deadbeat me.

1847
01:58:10,350 --> 01:58:15,390
Congratulations. You're no
longer a deadbeat.

1848
01:58:15,419 --> 01:58:21,149
Thank you very much, John. Much
appreciated. AEP AP credit Olaf

1849
01:58:21,149 --> 01:58:26,039
Wolf 606 Thank you for all the
provided information and the

1850
01:58:26,039 --> 01:58:30,389
value. You're welcome. Paul E
lavado. $60. And he says Happy

1851
01:58:30,389 --> 01:58:33,089
Birthday mo much love to you
both. That's very nice. You

1852
01:58:33,089 --> 01:58:35,009
caught I must have been
listening to the live must have

1853
01:58:35,009 --> 01:58:38,489
been watching the live to know
it was your birthday? Huh? Are

1854
01:58:38,489 --> 01:58:44,039
you jumping up and down on
Twitter? Probably. Christopher

1855
01:58:44,039 --> 01:58:48,299
barsha Ron, double nickels on a
dime. 5510. About time I stopped

1856
01:58:48,299 --> 01:58:51,599
being a deadbeat mo the effort
you put into these presentations

1857
01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:55,139
and the smoothness of the
conceptual buildups are amazing.

1858
01:58:55,349 --> 01:58:58,799
Thank you, Adam. He says, Well,
you already know Yeah, I know.

1859
01:58:58,829 --> 01:59:00,389
I'm great at pressing these
buttons.

1860
01:59:02,070 --> 01:59:05,700
Congratulations. You're no
longer

1861
01:59:05,910 --> 01:59:10,440
dead. The couple more Associate
Executive producers for 72 Zack

1862
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:16,200
Welch with $55 My dude when his
show on whites appropriating BC

1863
01:59:17,610 --> 01:59:25,350
thing you mean black culture? I
guess we talked about it almost

1864
01:59:25,350 --> 01:59:25,950
every other show.

1865
01:59:26,340 --> 01:59:29,160
I was gonna say it's kind of
woven into everything right?

1866
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:29,250
It's

1867
01:59:29,250 --> 01:59:33,360
kind of the third one the
fillers. Other show.

1868
01:59:33,690 --> 01:59:39,930
All right. So to be continued
Zach. Aaron Hardy 5424 Thanks.

1869
01:59:39,930 --> 01:59:42,780
He says I really love the show.
I heard you on the odd cast. And

1870
01:59:42,780 --> 01:59:45,450
I've been listening ever since
great work and God blessed is

1871
01:59:45,450 --> 01:59:49,170
that an appearance you had on
the podcast? Yes. When was this?

1872
01:59:49,590 --> 01:59:51,900
More appearances to come to
thank you can

1873
01:59:51,930 --> 01:59:54,840
you you gotta be texted me when
you do this out. You know, I'm

1874
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:57,600
not on Twitter enough. And you
know Twitter's racist and

1875
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,460
doesn't show me your tweets all
the time.

1876
01:59:59,580 --> 02:00:05,310
Oh, yeah. You got the Yeah.
Yeah. feed that doesn't I don't

1877
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:08,490
pierce through. Yeah, I'll send
it to you and for people that

1878
02:00:08,490 --> 02:00:11,130
want me to come on their show
the book information in the link

1879
02:00:11,130 --> 02:00:15,630
tree, I I don't want people to
think I'm doom and gloom and

1880
02:00:15,630 --> 02:00:18,210
over here. Now of course we need
resources to keep the thing

1881
02:00:18,210 --> 02:00:21,450
going. But of course, I'm
staying busy. I'm not gonna let

1882
02:00:21,450 --> 02:00:21,960
anybody else

1883
02:00:21,990 --> 02:00:24,690
Oh, it's called Building. It's
called building something you

1884
02:00:24,690 --> 02:00:27,870
building something that's what's
going on here. Not I'm excited

1885
02:00:27,870 --> 02:00:29,340
to watch it and be a part of it.

1886
02:00:29,850 --> 02:00:34,260
And my calendar is like, full.
I'm staying busy.

1887
02:00:34,290 --> 02:00:37,080
We call that as dance card mo
your dance.

1888
02:00:37,980 --> 02:00:43,620
Okay. Workers. This is new to
me. Empire. So you do

1889
02:00:43,620 --> 02:00:47,550
well, you're doing fine. So far,
my friend fine. Final SOC

1890
02:00:47,550 --> 02:00:54,270
executive producer, Eric Hoko.
From Deutschland, I believe $52.

1891
02:00:54,270 --> 02:00:58,500
And then no note, but we know
Eric and we know him as a great

1892
02:00:59,550 --> 02:01:02,940
producer of several other
podcasts. And thank you all very

1893
02:01:02,940 --> 02:01:05,520
much to these executive
producers and Associate

1894
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:09,030
Executive producers. These
credits that you get are real

1895
02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:12,660
they're listed in the show notes
if you can use them by the way

1896
02:01:12,660 --> 02:01:16,410
for anything for if you want to
produce any other stuff or just

1897
02:01:16,410 --> 02:01:20,520
want to put it on your resume or
even people put on IMDb you

1898
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:23,400
could get on IMDb with this
credit. Go ahead and look at

1899
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:25,920
some of the more facts Chris I
think we have a few who are also

1900
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:29,160
in there who are big time
Hollywood people this real

1901
02:01:29,940 --> 02:01:34,350
we got a few more people to but
we have more thought we didn't

1902
02:01:34,350 --> 02:01:35,880
Yeah, now it's a long list. I

1903
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:39,750
mean, nice and low. I was I'm
confused. I'm sorry. But yeah,

1904
02:01:39,780 --> 02:01:42,300
cuz we'll see what happens. Oh,
yeah.

1905
02:01:42,330 --> 02:01:43,650
I mean, collectively.

1906
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,890
Oh, man. I was I was already
thinking that was it. This is

1907
02:01:46,890 --> 02:01:51,240
great. Oh, look at the support.
Alright, so yeah, William sola.

1908
02:01:51,540 --> 02:01:55,200
Came in with what is it? 5053
total?

1909
02:01:55,290 --> 02:02:00,510
Yes. 7350 7350 5073

1910
02:02:01,020 --> 02:02:03,120
Oh, is the ICU donation?

1911
02:02:03,780 --> 02:02:06,630
Yeah, the 2020 Oh,

1912
02:02:06,780 --> 02:02:12,450
2020 Oh, I gotcha. Yes, yes,
yes, yes. Yes. And he also says

1913
02:02:12,450 --> 02:02:18,450
GBG value for value FJ be love
and respect. Bill sola. Thanks,

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02:02:18,450 --> 02:02:21,930
Bill. So that is also a socio
executive producer credit for

1915
02:02:21,930 --> 02:02:27,720
you. See Davis with the 50. No
note, Craig Scott 50. Like my

1916
02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:31,470
mom used to say don't spend it
all on candy. He is known as the

1917
02:02:31,470 --> 02:02:37,890
zigzag wanderer, Edwin Torres
GBG. He says $50 Maryland Plaza

1918
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:42,030
$50 jobs karma for all of us
that are in the same boat get

1919
02:02:42,030 --> 02:02:46,440
the V or the boot. I got quote
the email a couple of weeks ago,

1920
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:50,490
I had three options to answer
one. Are you two? If so provide

1921
02:02:50,490 --> 02:02:58,530
proof of that. So one, two, not
yet. But will before January 4,

1922
02:02:58,710 --> 02:03:03,150
at three No. And don't intend to
wait with three. Now just

1923
02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:06,570
waiting to see what they say. It
was sent the week before OSHA

1924
02:03:06,570 --> 02:03:10,440
put a halt. Yeah, Maryland.
First of all, this is so

1925
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:15,510
incredibly nice that that you're
supporting supporting the show

1926
02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:19,260
in your own situation. But I
have to say I really do believe

1927
02:03:19,260 --> 02:03:25,080
in jobs. Karma. You know that?
Yes. That it is and it's really

1928
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:29,100
odd. It's something about what
is it? It's

1929
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:32,700
collective? It's the collective
everybody wishing her well. It

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02:03:32,700 --> 02:03:33,180
truly

1931
02:03:33,210 --> 02:03:35,730
Yeah, it really is in the
summer. But there's something

1932
02:03:35,730 --> 02:03:38,670
about we do it on, on the no
agenda show. I've been doing it

1933
02:03:38,670 --> 02:03:43,590
for, I don't know 1011 12 years.
And it's just amazing how many

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02:03:43,590 --> 02:03:48,270
stories we have of people saying
I want some jobs, karma and then

1935
02:03:48,270 --> 02:03:51,960
it just it just happens. And
it's the collective it's some

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02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:55,530
kind of it's almost to me almost
a religious experience. So

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02:03:55,530 --> 02:04:03,420
here's jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs. You've got

1938
02:04:05,220 --> 02:04:08,430
so now Marilyn, you have to let
us know what happens that is

1939
02:04:08,430 --> 02:04:12,840
your responsibility to let us
know if it works. Cuz we didn't

1940
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:15,720
we I think we've only had one or
two jobs karma requests on mo

1941
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:20,520
facts. Mm. See if it works here
as well. Zachary may would. That

1942
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:23,610
is Zachary is going to be our
final Associate Executive

1943
02:04:23,610 --> 02:04:27,510
Producer with $50. And we
appreciate that Zachary. And

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02:04:27,510 --> 02:04:33,570
that is going to do it for
thanking these EPs and EPs and

1945
02:04:33,570 --> 02:04:36,450
reminder that it'd be great if
everybody can also start

1946
02:04:36,450 --> 02:04:39,720
building towards the future. In
addition to these Pay Pal and

1947
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:44,400
cash apps, with some Satoshis
with an app from new podcast

1948
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:47,730
apps.com And thank you all so
much for producing episode

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02:04:47,730 --> 02:04:52,560
number 772. If you'd like to be
an executive or Associate

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facts.

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Alright, so to bring people up
to speed, we're talking about

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the Duke lacrosse case. I know
people like we're Mo, you're all

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over the place. But it all makes
sense here. And it'll all make

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sense in a minute. Because what
I need to lay out was the

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relationship to do the
relationship to my hometown,

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this fragile coexistence of this
superduper power structure

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02:05:31,410 --> 02:05:36,120
called Duke University, Duke
Hospital, Duke Power, the

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02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:40,500
textile mills and the tobacco
company, and how all that played

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into know the environment of
this Duke lacrosse case when it

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02:05:45,630 --> 02:05:48,690
first came about. So hopefully,
I've done that well enough. So

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people understand and it also
sitting on our pastor that

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worked it do, you know, for many
years, what effect that had on

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02:05:56,100 --> 02:05:59,700
me and then also my love for
Duke basketball. Now, the see

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02:05:59,700 --> 02:06:05,490
Duke basketball is the big draw
at the university. I tell people

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02:06:05,490 --> 02:06:11,730
this right off the bat is kind
of like, what's a rock group

1969
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:16,080
with the fans is bigger than the
artist itself. Grateful Dead,

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02:06:16,710 --> 02:06:21,150
kind of like the Grateful Dead.
I mean, that the Cameron Crazies

1971
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:26,190
are the bigger draw, and a lot
of kids go to do just to be part

1972
02:06:26,190 --> 02:06:32,670
of this group of fans. So much.
So that guy recently paid a

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02:06:32,670 --> 02:06:37,110
million dollars for the last
four tickets to do. He paid a

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02:06:37,110 --> 02:06:43,170
million dollars for four tickets
to the last home game against

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02:06:43,170 --> 02:06:43,680
Carolina.

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02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:46,200
Wow, that's not very elitist.

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02:06:48,570 --> 02:06:52,080
This tells you I mean, and it's
exclusive. It's not a big

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02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:56,850
stadium, it's a small, it's a
small arena. So you they have to

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02:06:56,850 --> 02:07:01,920
actually spend a night in what's
called a saysky view, after the

1980
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:07,470
coach to get tickets. Um, and
I'll talk about an other side of

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02:07:07,470 --> 02:07:10,410
this, but just to give you
context to it. This is dupes cam

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02:07:10,410 --> 02:07:11,070
and crises.

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02:07:12,570 --> 02:07:15,600
For our students and our fans,
it's become like a rite of

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02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:19,470
passage. Like it's something
that you have to do

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02:07:25,980 --> 02:07:30,000
I've never low respect for the
fans. And you know, I don't take

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02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:32,970
any of them for granted because,
you know, they have to rules

1987
02:07:32,970 --> 02:07:36,960
they have to follow and then the
line moderators who monitor the

1988
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:39,690
line, I mean, they're they're
strict. You know, it says a lot

1989
02:07:39,780 --> 02:07:42,300
about those, those guys and
that's a great tradition that we

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02:07:42,300 --> 02:07:42,600
have,

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02:07:42,690 --> 02:07:45,120
please get on the sidewalk in
group order. I want to make sure

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02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:47,070
you guys have your wristbands
when you go in doors are opening

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02:07:47,070 --> 02:07:50,670
in 15 minutes. Our tradition has
always been the most dedicated

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02:07:50,670 --> 02:07:53,130
students, the most passionate
students should get the best

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02:07:53,130 --> 02:08:00,600
seats. Cameron crazes. It's a
it's a really integral part of

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02:08:00,630 --> 02:08:04,410
our culture as a campus and our
culture University is something

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02:08:04,410 --> 02:08:07,890
that brings our entire student
body together in a way that a

1998
02:08:07,890 --> 02:08:11,040
lot of things on campus just
can't just because of the way

1999
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:13,110
that it's such a common
experience that everybody wants

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02:08:13,110 --> 02:08:14,010
to experience together.

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02:08:18,450 --> 02:08:22,020
Really, a lot of the graduates
they'll say for that I learned

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02:08:22,020 --> 02:08:25,920
so much about myself being in
there. I got to know my

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02:08:25,950 --> 02:08:31,410
classmates or other Duke
students great fashion Coach,

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02:08:31,410 --> 02:08:35,070
thanks. We had an incredible
experience and Cameron

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02:08:36,990 --> 02:08:39,630
does over the top of strong and

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02:08:43,710 --> 02:08:46,800
we do our best to research the
opponents we research you know,

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02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:49,170
their strengths, their
weaknesses, kind of embarrassing

2008
02:08:49,170 --> 02:08:51,360
facts about them and
anticipating what would get

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02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:54,030
under their skin that best and
making sure that people are

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02:08:54,030 --> 02:08:56,520
being loud enough people
cheering making sure that

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02:08:56,520 --> 02:08:58,860
there's good coordination
between the the side

2012
02:08:58,860 --> 02:09:01,350
undergraduate sections and the
two graduate ends is a very

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02:09:01,350 --> 02:09:04,410
important part of our job and
that we take very seriously and

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02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:07,110
that's something that you know,
that's been going on for ages

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02:09:07,110 --> 02:09:07,350
here.

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02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:12,030
And some of these these this
camping this like months,

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02:09:12,120 --> 02:09:13,410
months, they're jumping up.

2018
02:09:14,730 --> 02:09:19,260
Wow, this is this is the draw.
This is what made besides the

2019
02:09:19,260 --> 02:09:23,670
academic stuff, but this is what
makes Duke $100,000 a year

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02:09:23,670 --> 02:09:30,690
school. Because it is a finite
amount of games. It's rock star

2021
02:09:30,690 --> 02:09:35,070
celebrity. Yeah, in this. This
is what made Duke nervous

2022
02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:39,030
because you have a black woman
getting raped by white athletes

2023
02:09:39,060 --> 02:09:42,720
on your campus, where your
biggest moneymaker is most of

2024
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:46,560
the time, led by black
basketball players running up

2025
02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:52,020
and down to court for free. And
then you have the whole NCAA

2026
02:09:52,020 --> 02:09:56,190
slavery conversation. It was
just they want this thing to go

2027
02:09:56,190 --> 02:09:57,810
away immediately.

2028
02:09:59,250 --> 02:10:01,710
Yeah, I can understand

2029
02:10:01,950 --> 02:10:05,250
and of course Nikes league
lurking in the background.

2030
02:10:06,750 --> 02:10:09,390
Got all about those guys? Of
course,

2031
02:10:09,390 --> 02:10:14,250
because Nike pays Coach K. Yeah.
Which he recruits the players

2032
02:10:14,280 --> 02:10:16,350
the players play for free of
course they get

2033
02:10:16,530 --> 02:10:21,270
now is that is that all okay and
legally for for the coach to get

2034
02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:25,200
paid by Nike? Yes. That's crazy.

2035
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:28,590
I mean, this is the power
strike, like I said this is

2036
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:35,460
gives the imagery of slavery.
You have a white guy having four

2037
02:10:35,460 --> 02:10:38,220
or five black men used to do it
has one or two white players, I

2038
02:10:38,220 --> 02:10:41,610
mean starters. So you have about
four or five black guys running

2039
02:10:41,610 --> 02:10:45,570
up and down the floor. And it's
a bigger issue for the NCAA. But

2040
02:10:45,570 --> 02:10:50,220
Duke is like their crown jewel,
right? It's this. It's the

2041
02:10:50,220 --> 02:10:53,760
perfect, they're the perfect
enemy. They have the Cameron

2042
02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:58,350
Crazies, as he said, they go and
look for stuff to troll the

2043
02:10:58,350 --> 02:11:02,580
other players, right? Right,
right, or your mom's whatever on

2044
02:11:02,580 --> 02:11:08,700
drugs or whatever it is, they're
gonna put make signs and stuff

2045
02:11:08,700 --> 02:11:12,210
about it. And that's another
reason why people hate Duke.

2046
02:11:12,630 --> 02:11:17,340
They hate they literally, when I
say people hate do you mean

2047
02:11:17,340 --> 02:11:24,150
people hate Duke. Um, so this
plays into it. And the most

2048
02:11:24,150 --> 02:11:29,700
hated person of all, and kind of
like a red icon of what Duke is

2049
02:11:29,700 --> 02:11:36,420
all about was Christian
Lightner. I

2050
02:11:36,450 --> 02:11:40,230
hate to the Christian Layton use
a bad dude, but he could back it

2051
02:11:40,230 --> 02:11:43,710
up with his play. It was four
versus evil. He didn't like him.

2052
02:11:45,330 --> 02:11:47,820
I wanted to jump down and
punched you in the face. But if

2053
02:11:47,820 --> 02:11:51,000
people think sports is goody
goody touchy feeling that's not

2054
02:11:51,060 --> 02:11:56,100
what if I told you haters gonna
hate. ESPN Films presents a 30

2055
02:11:56,100 --> 02:11:59,970
for 30 film. I hate Christian
Laettner Sunday, March 15. At

2056
02:11:59,970 --> 02:12:01,200
nine on ESPN.

2057
02:12:02,550 --> 02:12:06,270
Okay, now you're in territory
that is very, very foreign to me

2058
02:12:06,270 --> 02:12:06,630
mo.

2059
02:12:07,050 --> 02:12:13,260
That's why they had a whole
special about what was at 92. So

2060
02:12:13,260 --> 02:12:18,150
just came out. Maybe less than
maybe like maybe 1516 years ago,

2061
02:12:18,150 --> 02:12:22,470
I believe. The guy's out of
college, done with basketball

2062
02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:25,500
and people still hate him to
this day because he was the

2063
02:12:25,530 --> 02:12:30,270
ideal person to hate. Like he
was his preppy white guy but

2064
02:12:30,270 --> 02:12:33,630
really good at basketball. And
he was like you go to do you

2065
02:12:33,630 --> 02:12:38,700
have a silver spoon in your
mouth? Right? Um, but what I'm

2066
02:12:38,730 --> 02:12:42,270
highlighting this to say, this
is the energy that was behind

2067
02:12:42,270 --> 02:12:46,110
the trial like yes, we got them.
We got we got to do guys, you

2068
02:12:46,110 --> 02:12:49,230
know, we want to take them down
there. No, they're douchebags

2069
02:12:49,230 --> 02:12:52,770
they're preppy boys. We got
them. Right. And that was that

2070
02:12:52,770 --> 02:12:58,050
was why the media lapstone to
hating dude. Because you have

2071
02:12:58,050 --> 02:13:01,650
like this high like say highly
educated and then Holly winning

2072
02:13:01,650 --> 02:13:05,850
team and Coach K himself. I
mean, he was known for cutting

2073
02:13:05,850 --> 02:13:09,570
out rafts. He came out under
Bobby Knight. So he was that

2074
02:13:09,570 --> 02:13:14,880
kind of guy. Bobby Knight. Yes,
sure. Yeah. And there could be

2075
02:13:14,880 --> 02:13:17,610
some NK Archer kind of things
going on with Coach K, but I

2076
02:13:17,610 --> 02:13:20,340
won't go there. Because he did
come from military.

2077
02:13:20,940 --> 02:13:25,170
Oh, boy. Come on. Come on mom.
So disappointed. Not going.

2078
02:13:26,070 --> 02:13:29,820
Not and I'm not going because I
don't have the fattest kid. I'm

2079
02:13:29,820 --> 02:13:34,050
just saying that it's awesome.
To have that high level of

2080
02:13:34,770 --> 02:13:38,790
influence over I'm not talking
about just pro me on college

2081
02:13:38,790 --> 02:13:42,930
players. Right. Pico. He goes to
dream teams. And everybody will

2082
02:13:42,930 --> 02:13:45,630
come back like I'm so much
better because the coach Kay so

2083
02:13:45,630 --> 02:13:49,170
there's some stuff there. I
mean, there's some just some you

2084
02:13:49,170 --> 02:13:52,440
know, tidbits there that you
could no probably run with God

2085
02:13:52,440 --> 02:13:56,490
but we have a Jalen Rose. Oh,
the fast following. Have you

2086
02:13:56,490 --> 02:13:59,520
heard of fat five or not, but
they were like five freshmen

2087
02:13:59,880 --> 02:14:04,440
that played at Michigan, right.
And they were like that hip hop

2088
02:14:05,790 --> 02:14:11,040
team in the 90s and calm. They
had like the ball heads and the

2089
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:15,060
black socks and everything about
him just just spoke to hip hop.

2090
02:14:15,420 --> 02:14:20,280
So Jalen Rose, he hated Duke as
well. And he's on record here

2091
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:23,580
talking about how he hated Duke
and Christian Lightner and Grant

2092
02:14:23,580 --> 02:14:23,910
Hill.

2093
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:30,480
The first year the Fab Five.
With all freshmen go to the NCAA

2094
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:33,990
championships. That is crazy.
It's never happened before for

2095
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:40,470
having again. And you guys hated
Duke. Yeah, despise them. You

2096
02:14:40,470 --> 02:14:44,160
actually called the black
players at Duke house Negroes.

2097
02:14:46,620 --> 02:14:52,890
That was the young me speaking.
Yeah. This was the inner city

2098
02:14:52,890 --> 02:14:58,770
kid from Detroit. That felt like
I wasn't getting that

2099
02:14:58,770 --> 02:15:03,990
opportunity based on my zipcode
and the financial standing of my

2100
02:15:04,020 --> 02:15:04,830
family.

2101
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:08,760
But you were in a fairly high
opportunity situation at that

2102
02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:11,130
time, though, weren't you? I
mean, you're going to the NCAA

2103
02:15:11,160 --> 02:15:15,060
Finals, you know, in a
spectacular team.

2104
02:15:15,240 --> 02:15:20,040
And when and when the season
ended in April and May, I was

2105
02:15:20,040 --> 02:15:20,730
right back in.

2106
02:15:21,870 --> 02:15:23,160
Gotcha. Staying at my

2107
02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:28,830
mother's crib that I grew up in.
Gotcha. The same environment.

2108
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:32,460
They'd hold the entire world
gets to see me on the big stage

2109
02:15:32,460 --> 02:15:36,750
rocking the big shorts, black
shoes, black socks, people

2110
02:15:36,750 --> 02:15:40,860
naming their kids Jaylen does
now in the NFL or the NBA.

2111
02:15:41,010 --> 02:15:45,090
People rocking the hierarchies.
Right back on the block.

2112
02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:47,700
That made you better? Of course

2113
02:15:47,700 --> 02:15:48,090
it did.

2114
02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:57,990
So this goes this goes to show
you how the kids from Michigan

2115
02:15:57,990 --> 02:16:01,950
the Fab Five, the you know, the
hip hop, basketball players.

2116
02:16:02,250 --> 02:16:06,120
They hate it to do players.
Yeah, keep saying that. But you

2117
02:16:06,120 --> 02:16:08,790
can hear it in graining. And
it's not that hating them

2118
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:12,210
personally. But it's like all
man and this is where the hate

2119
02:16:12,210 --> 02:16:18,120
comes from. Now. This is what
you're seeing now that like, Oh,

2120
02:16:18,120 --> 02:16:20,910
let the world burn kind of
thing. Like yeah, no tax the

2121
02:16:20,910 --> 02:16:27,060
rich eat the rich. This was the
mentality then. Um, and it was

2122
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:27,600
just it was it?

2123
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:30,630
Was it? Was anybody really
noticing this? Or is this just

2124
02:16:30,660 --> 02:16:34,110
hindsight where it's so obvious
when you put it all together? I

2125
02:16:34,110 --> 02:16:37,500
mean, did you feel this at that
moment the way you do now?

2126
02:16:37,950 --> 02:16:42,450
Yes, cuz that's the thing about
being a black Duke fan. You kind

2127
02:16:42,450 --> 02:16:45,360
of get the same mentality. I
mean, kind of all your house

2128
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:50,670
negro. You are you like the
white man's team, especially in

2129
02:16:50,670 --> 02:16:53,640
North Carolina, because, well,
obviously, it would be the state

2130
02:16:53,640 --> 02:16:54,480
universities

2131
02:16:54,539 --> 02:16:59,849
obvious. It's obvious the
problem with race in America is

2132
02:16:59,849 --> 02:17:04,379
all surrounding one thing. We
have we have to ban basketball.

2133
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:08,880
That said, I've never have
especially on Tobacco Road. And

2134
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:14,160
I can even be I want to have
that conversation with you know,

2135
02:17:14,400 --> 02:17:22,470
what it is? is a representation
of they have it all right. It's

2136
02:17:22,470 --> 02:17:25,860
like you can't be rich and good
at basketball. I mean, like G

2137
02:17:25,860 --> 02:17:31,860
League. For guys, right? You
know, so that's what really is.

2138
02:17:31,890 --> 02:17:34,470
And they were good. They were
really good. And the coach was

2139
02:17:34,470 --> 02:17:39,210
really good. And it's just built
that hey, up for the team, to

2140
02:17:39,210 --> 02:17:41,610
the point where he got
frustrated that he called now

2141
02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:42,510
Grant Hill,

2142
02:17:43,980 --> 02:17:48,510
the Duke Duke basketball team,
predominantly white players,

2143
02:17:48,930 --> 02:17:54,060
say here's the thing it would be
you have like three black

2144
02:17:54,060 --> 02:17:57,690
players and two white players to
think it'd be the perfect

2145
02:17:57,690 --> 02:18:03,360
representation. But Coach K will
only take certain kind of black

2146
02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:08,520
players Oh, what is that that's
what that's what you hit the

2147
02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:13,110
house Negro thing from but His
thing was, you had to understand

2148
02:18:13,620 --> 02:18:21,270
a order. You had to understand,
um, discipline, discipline. I

2149
02:18:21,270 --> 02:18:25,170
mean, he came from West Point.
That's the thing and that

2150
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:29,100
equated to most the time his
players had fathers that would

2151
02:18:29,100 --> 02:18:33,930
be the difference. Uh, you know,
it's changed over time because

2152
02:18:33,930 --> 02:18:38,280
the mean time you have to
gravitate but when in the heyday

2153
02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:40,920
of do and when it was going
right when it was really big,

2154
02:18:41,370 --> 02:18:46,770
and what was really a
patriarchal system of gods that

2155
02:18:46,770 --> 02:18:53,010
were raised by men um so that's
why you had the hate and Grant

2156
02:18:53,010 --> 02:18:54,630
Hill being one and just for

2157
02:18:55,020 --> 02:18:58,380
Rosie right. So so people are
mad about one thing but then

2158
02:18:58,380 --> 02:19:01,620
they take they they make it
about something else and so they

2159
02:19:01,620 --> 02:19:06,090
they take it out by trying to
destroy the the so if Duke is

2160
02:19:06,090 --> 02:19:12,930
the family Duke represents Duke
is the is the I'm trying to put

2161
02:19:12,930 --> 02:19:16,830
this together I paid me a
whiteness well the epitome of of

2162
02:19:16,830 --> 02:19:24,180
the white generational wealth
structure Yeah. So if Duke by

2163
02:19:24,180 --> 02:19:29,550
itself is a family then
destroying all families is kind

2164
02:19:29,550 --> 02:19:33,150
of like a metaphor for for
destroying all of the problems

2165
02:19:33,150 --> 02:19:33,960
that we have

2166
02:19:34,289 --> 02:19:37,499
is well destroying them if take
will take down or do it would

2167
02:19:37,499 --> 02:19:39,029
have been a takedown of the
patriarchy

2168
02:19:39,360 --> 02:19:43,470
you right right but proves right
but by the same time I'm just

2169
02:19:43,470 --> 02:19:48,720
saying Is it because of this
Duke as an example that oh well

2170
02:19:48,750 --> 02:19:52,290
the clearly we can have any
families any families just know

2171
02:19:52,290 --> 02:19:54,780
families we can have families
because always turns into some

2172
02:19:54,780 --> 02:19:58,740
power structure piece of crap.
So all families have a destroyed

2173
02:19:59,190 --> 02:20:02,880
price melee To get rid of male
leadership and which way to do

2174
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:06,480
it is make them scared. So they
are now so what

2175
02:20:06,480 --> 02:20:09,900
kind of pussies are these Duke
guys that are letting women ruin

2176
02:20:09,900 --> 02:20:11,430
their lives ruin their family.

2177
02:20:12,630 --> 02:20:17,250
know whether or not you're gonna
see him stand. This is gonna be

2178
02:20:17,250 --> 02:20:20,670
like Hamburger Hill like they're
not gonna lose the heel. Okay?

2179
02:20:21,630 --> 02:20:24,480
But just to give context, the
way you say about House Negro,

2180
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:27,270
we got to go back and listen to
Malcolm X, and to find a house

2181
02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:28,710
Negro from the field Negro

2182
02:20:29,399 --> 02:20:35,459
back during slavery. When Black
people like me, talk to the

2183
02:20:35,489 --> 02:20:41,669
slave didn't kill him. They sent
some old house Negro along

2184
02:20:41,669 --> 02:20:47,519
behind him to undo what he said.
You have to read the history of

2185
02:20:47,519 --> 02:20:53,819
slavery, to kind of negros house
Negro, and feel negro. And the

2186
02:20:53,819 --> 02:20:57,269
house Negro always looked out
for his map. When the field

2187
02:20:57,269 --> 02:21:00,809
negros got too much out of line,
he held them back in check. He

2188
02:21:00,809 --> 02:21:04,439
put him back on the plantation.
The house Negro could afford to

2189
02:21:04,439 --> 02:21:07,289
do that, because he lived better
than the field negro. He ate

2190
02:21:07,289 --> 02:21:10,259
better, he dressed better. And
he lived in a better house. He

2191
02:21:10,259 --> 02:21:14,939
lived right next to his mask in
the basement. You included

2192
02:21:14,939 --> 02:21:18,719
mastery, and more has been
closed. You can talk just like

2193
02:21:18,719 --> 02:21:21,809
his master Master good
addiction. And he loved his

2194
02:21:21,809 --> 02:21:25,109
master more than his master love
themselves. That's why he didn't

2195
02:21:25,109 --> 02:21:28,409
want his master hurt. If the
master got sick, he said, What's

2196
02:21:28,409 --> 02:21:34,439
the matter, Bob, we sit on the
Master of Health. Trying to put

2197
02:21:34,439 --> 02:21:38,189
the fire out. He didn't want to
mess the house. He never wanted

2198
02:21:38,189 --> 02:21:42,869
it mastered property. And he
would more defensive of it than

2199
02:21:42,869 --> 02:21:44,639
the master was the house Negro

2200
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:52,800
classic. So this, this equates
to a black, white supremacist.

2201
02:21:53,940 --> 02:21:57,660
This is what you're seeing now
with Larry elders and Kevin

2202
02:21:57,720 --> 02:22:03,060
Owens, right. Anybody that has
you know, speaks well or uses

2203
02:22:03,060 --> 02:22:05,520
light logic or that kind of
thing. It's like, oh, you're

2204
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:08,370
you're saying you're a sellout.
You're a house negro. That's

2205
02:22:08,370 --> 02:22:11,460
what the kind of thing was with
the Duke basketball team. We

2206
02:22:11,460 --> 02:22:14,730
used to look at a grant he'll,
he came from a good household.

2207
02:22:15,060 --> 02:22:18,510
His dad was a professional
football player. Um, they didn't

2208
02:22:18,510 --> 02:22:21,090
celebrate, they didn't know you
know, they were very

2209
02:22:21,090 --> 02:22:24,480
professional in the way they
carry things. And that was like

2210
02:22:24,510 --> 02:22:29,610
born, you know, you post a dance
at the slam dunk. And it's in

2211
02:22:29,610 --> 02:22:34,740
it's really the thing. The thing
was was Wow, because I'm black.

2212
02:22:34,740 --> 02:22:38,700
You expect me to dance after I
have a good play? Right? And

2213
02:22:38,910 --> 02:22:43,470
it's this there is the real
racism is the expectation that

2214
02:22:43,500 --> 02:22:46,890
I'm supposed to dance or
celebrate after I score? You

2215
02:22:46,890 --> 02:22:51,210
know, like, that's the black
thing to do. You understand? You

2216
02:22:51,210 --> 02:22:55,830
understand what I'm saying?
Like, it's, it was a real, I

2217
02:22:55,830 --> 02:23:00,690
identify more with do of being
hard work and, you know, making

2218
02:23:00,690 --> 02:23:04,050
a smart play and not the stylish
play all these things baked into

2219
02:23:04,050 --> 02:23:07,980
the little mo cuz I moved to
Durham when I was 1011 years

2220
02:23:07,980 --> 02:23:12,690
old. And this is right when Duke
started winning. Right. Um, and

2221
02:23:12,690 --> 02:23:16,200
grant he was there and I saw
this guy that was like, No, I

2222
02:23:16,230 --> 02:23:21,150
just good. I mean, he was really
good. And me coming from a small

2223
02:23:21,150 --> 02:23:23,340
town NorCal on a moving to
Durham was like this the first

2224
02:23:23,340 --> 02:23:26,070
time I ever had to live in the
city. They actually had a sports

2225
02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:30,180
team, as you can see on TV. But
it was like, No, you can't cheer

2226
02:23:30,180 --> 02:23:35,160
for do by not, you know, the
white team. They're racist.

2227
02:23:36,210 --> 02:23:39,210
Right? That was I mean, no,
that's the best. It will be.

2228
02:23:39,900 --> 02:23:45,750
Just for content. It will be me
in a room with maybe 15 People

2229
02:23:45,750 --> 02:23:48,720
watching the game and I'll
probably be the only Duke fan.

2230
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:54,270
Wow, this this. This is a very
introspective episode because

2231
02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:58,680
this is part of the thick skin.
It's like I'm looking at like

2232
02:23:58,710 --> 02:24:02,250
they're good. The way they're
playing is good. And that guy's

2233
02:24:02,250 --> 02:24:05,310
good. And I identify with them.
If you like why you're not in

2234
02:24:05,310 --> 02:24:08,070
North Carolina fan. Why? Why are
you from North Carolina? Black?

2235
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:11,280
I'm from Durham and dukes in
Durham. That's why I'm a Duke

2236
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:15,690
fan. Right so right right. But
this being in an environment

2237
02:24:16,410 --> 02:24:19,170
where you know saying you will
get trolled like don't lose

2238
02:24:19,170 --> 02:24:23,070
Don't be the only do fan there.
You're losing. Oh, you're gonna

2239
02:24:23,070 --> 02:24:27,750
be you know, you're gonna be
trolled so hard but this is what

2240
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:30,780
kind of like I have a thick
skin. I know sports are very

2241
02:24:30,780 --> 02:24:35,730
superficial. But it played a
part a lot into who I am

2242
02:24:35,730 --> 02:24:43,080
personally. Because I think I
don't care how good you are. I

2243
02:24:43,080 --> 02:24:47,160
can outwork you you know saying
I can hustle you I can out you

2244
02:24:47,160 --> 02:24:50,670
know that's what dude was known
for just hard defense and out

2245
02:24:50,670 --> 02:24:53,520
hustling. They didn't have the
best players but they worked as

2246
02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:56,940
a team and he Coach K was say
that this fifth thing if you all

2247
02:24:56,940 --> 02:24:59,730
worked as a fish you're saying
like, cuz five plays in the

2248
02:24:59,730 --> 02:25:02,490
basket. saying you could be
anybody. And that would that's

2249
02:25:02,490 --> 02:25:06,240
the mentality out there that was
shaped on me. But when you had

2250
02:25:06,240 --> 02:25:08,220
that kind of mentality, and
that's kind of like what Kanye

2251
02:25:08,220 --> 02:25:11,790
deal with, right? It was that,
oh, you're not street enough.

2252
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:14,370
You're not good enough. You're
not tough enough, that kind of

2253
02:25:14,370 --> 02:25:18,930
thing. So all this bakes into me
as a person. And so to see this

2254
02:25:18,930 --> 02:25:22,410
unfold the way it did, it's
like, hold on, it's the same way

2255
02:25:22,410 --> 02:25:25,020
now. It's like, how do you want
to get rid of families because

2256
02:25:25,020 --> 02:25:29,580
families are white? And that
makes no sense. But that's the

2257
02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:32,490
that's the ideology is going
along with it. But I don't want

2258
02:25:32,490 --> 02:25:35,910
to be long about it. But I was
exactly what I just said. Jalen

2259
02:25:35,910 --> 02:25:38,670
Rose is gonna verify what what I
just said.

2260
02:25:39,060 --> 02:25:43,470
Right. We've got a single doubt
Grant Hill, who came from a rich

2261
02:25:43,470 --> 02:25:47,190
family, college educated
parents, because dad played

2262
02:25:47,190 --> 02:25:50,340
professional sports. Yeah,
Calvin Hill was a beast. Yeah.

2263
02:25:50,490 --> 02:25:52,560
And you were just jealous. Oh,
basic. Yeah, I

2264
02:25:52,560 --> 02:26:04,980
was jealous. And so it's almost
like the movie face off was John

2265
02:26:04,980 --> 02:26:09,330
Travolta and Nicolas Cage and a
movie right? Or even like,

2266
02:26:09,630 --> 02:26:11,910
another one like ricochet.
Remember, Dinsdale was in a

2267
02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:17,160
movie kind of like that, where
it was where it's like, you see

2268
02:26:17,160 --> 02:26:20,880
somebody you're you're You're
the heir to beside however you

2269
02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:24,930
see it, and you see somebody
that has all of the things that

2270
02:26:24,930 --> 02:26:31,560
you want. And you ready for
this, Vlad. And Dean, you think

2271
02:26:31,560 --> 02:26:34,470
they're soft, because you grew
up in a hood, and you pour?

2272
02:26:35,010 --> 02:26:39,390
Right? This is what I learned a
long time ago, your haircut, how

2273
02:26:39,390 --> 02:26:43,530
you wear your pants, how you
speak your appearance, that

2274
02:26:43,530 --> 02:26:48,180
don't make you hard. And by the
way, it don't mean nothing to be

2275
02:26:48,180 --> 02:26:53,820
tough. Anyway, the best player,
the most talented player ever at

2276
02:26:53,820 --> 02:26:57,630
Duke is Grant Hill, the most
accomplished player, it's

2277
02:26:57,630 --> 02:26:59,970
Christian late. Hmm.

2278
02:27:01,230 --> 02:27:06,210
So this is why I started with do
because I had a dad, I was more

2279
02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:11,040
identify what grant healed in
it. And Jalen Rose. Because I

2280
02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:13,920
had a dad and people will always
say you don't know what a street

2281
02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:16,260
says about cuz you live in,
you're saying you live in a nice

2282
02:27:16,260 --> 02:27:18,330
neighborhood or your dad, a
teacher, your mom's social

2283
02:27:18,330 --> 02:27:21,600
worker. So you don't know the
struggle. And it's like how

2284
02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:28,200
long, right? So I'm just letting
this be known that this process

2285
02:27:28,200 --> 02:27:32,910
in which I'll see now, this was
bait in like, say 1112 years

2286
02:27:32,910 --> 02:27:37,140
old. And this is why this is why
the woke culture comes from

2287
02:27:37,140 --> 02:27:43,230
sports is a reason why they
attack sports. Might be might be

2288
02:27:43,230 --> 02:27:46,050
thinking this show is trivial.
And like, Oh, why don't you talk

2289
02:27:46,050 --> 02:27:48,150
about sports and basketball and
do lacrosse?

2290
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:53,040
No, no. And you know, I'm really
just being very quiet. Because I

2291
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:55,740
don't know a lot about sports,
but I'm learning an awful lot

2292
02:27:55,740 --> 02:27:56,820
just listening to you.

2293
02:27:57,510 --> 02:28:02,070
Yeah, because it's, you have a
coach, which is kind of like the

2294
02:28:02,070 --> 02:28:05,970
dad, and he tells you what to do
and where to be and how to move

2295
02:28:05,970 --> 02:28:09,030
and you don't play by his rules.
You can get sit on the bench,

2296
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:11,790
and he'll bring up somebody more
deserving to be on the floor.

2297
02:28:12,480 --> 02:28:17,550
Like that's what they don't want
to teach young men. Right? It's

2298
02:28:17,550 --> 02:28:21,120
like they want equity, not
equality. And I keep stressing

2299
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:24,600
that point. They will equal
outcomes. You know, if you don't

2300
02:28:24,600 --> 02:28:29,520
play hard, you don't deserve to
win. And sports is the you know,

2301
02:28:29,580 --> 02:28:32,970
representation of that. And
that's why they want to destroy

2302
02:28:32,970 --> 02:28:36,510
sports. That's why every time
they try to destroy this,

2303
02:28:37,560 --> 02:28:42,840
whoever it is they they want to
come out to sports and Duke the

2304
02:28:42,840 --> 02:28:46,080
Duke lacrosse case was perfect.
Because it's the white rapist

2305
02:28:46,290 --> 02:28:50,550
you got sports back then. By by
association you got Duke

2306
02:28:50,550 --> 02:28:53,970
basketball associated with Duke
lacrosse. You know lacrosse

2307
02:28:53,970 --> 02:28:59,880
itself is it's like an elite
within an elite because in high

2308
02:28:59,880 --> 02:29:04,170
school my team my school was
like the only scene and

2309
02:29:04,170 --> 02:29:08,190
accounting they had a lacrosse
team and you had to pay to play

2310
02:29:09,090 --> 02:29:12,420
it was a club it wasn't like
most of High School Sports is

2311
02:29:12,420 --> 02:29:16,800
free no cross is the elite of
the elite so they were like yes,

2312
02:29:17,130 --> 02:29:20,340
we got them we got some white
boys from do and we can

2313
02:29:20,340 --> 02:29:24,270
associate everything to do go
with it. And then in doing so we

2314
02:29:24,270 --> 02:29:29,940
could take down the patriarchy
wow and that's why I'm saying

2315
02:29:29,940 --> 02:29:33,930
this what we're seeing now and
2021 and this funny that cow

2316
02:29:33,930 --> 02:29:37,020
Rittenhouse only thing got a dad
um of course he has a dad but

2317
02:29:37,290 --> 02:29:40,620
well still broken home still was
a little bit a little bit of the

2318
02:29:40,620 --> 02:29:41,430
goodness there.

2319
02:29:41,790 --> 02:29:45,720
But he was associated with the
patriarchy. Yeah, because I

2320
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:50,580
don't have a dad shown. I'm just
going to show you like this is

2321
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:51,750
this is how by

2322
02:29:52,529 --> 02:29:58,199
now it's just media programming.
I mean, it's it just nothing has

2323
02:29:58,199 --> 02:30:01,619
to be true. That's the beauty of
this The assumption

2324
02:30:01,650 --> 02:30:05,490
is he's a white guy. So he has a
dad, you are racist. That is,

2325
02:30:05,670 --> 02:30:08,610
because the inverse you're
saying is, if you're black man,

2326
02:30:08,610 --> 02:30:12,420
you don't have it. Right.
Exactly. And I'm just showing

2327
02:30:12,420 --> 02:30:16,110
you this. This is I think this
was a coup and you can these net

2328
02:30:16,110 --> 02:30:19,740
clips. I think this came with
from within the Duke campus,

2329
02:30:19,950 --> 02:30:24,300
this push to take these these
these lacrosse players down. And

2330
02:30:24,300 --> 02:30:26,820
we're going to hear so in clip
number let's start with number

2331
02:30:26,820 --> 02:30:27,420
26.

2332
02:30:27,599 --> 02:30:30,419
What was remarkable is that lots
of figures within the media,

2333
02:30:31,259 --> 02:30:34,349
within the Duke faculty and to a
certain extent within the Duke

2334
02:30:34,349 --> 02:30:38,939
administration not only presumed
the players to be guilty, but

2335
02:30:38,939 --> 02:30:43,529
then these very strong moral
judgment and it was a completely

2336
02:30:43,529 --> 02:30:47,519
closed minded, early approach to
the case.

2337
02:30:56,880 --> 02:30:59,880
My name is Casey Johnson. I'm a
professor of history at Brooklyn

2338
02:30:59,880 --> 02:31:03,900
College and the CUNY Graduate
Center. I wrote a blog on the

2339
02:31:03,900 --> 02:31:07,350
Duke lacrosse case called Durham
in Wonderland and CO wrote a

2340
02:31:07,350 --> 02:31:10,860
book on the case was to retailer
called until proven innocent.

2341
02:31:13,980 --> 02:31:17,400
during spring break, when most
of the students at Duke were off

2342
02:31:17,400 --> 02:31:21,210
campus, the captains of the
lacrosse team came up with the

2343
02:31:21,210 --> 02:31:27,240
not so bright idea of inviting
to strippers to perform for the

2344
02:31:27,240 --> 02:31:30,660
players. One of them was this
woman crystal Mangum who we

2345
02:31:30,660 --> 02:31:36,570
subsequently learned I had very
severe mental problems she

2346
02:31:36,570 --> 02:31:40,590
arrived she had no particular
interest in performing it

2347
02:31:40,590 --> 02:31:43,890
appears as if she was on some
sort of combination of alcohol

2348
02:31:43,890 --> 02:31:49,650
and prescription drugs. And the
party relatively quickly turned

2349
02:31:49,680 --> 02:31:53,880
ugly there was a shouting match
between the other dancer and

2350
02:31:54,180 --> 02:31:56,880
members of the team by this
point most of the guys had

2351
02:31:56,880 --> 02:31:57,960
already left

2352
02:31:59,010 --> 02:32:03,900
wow so this is where mental
health comes into it. Yeah, this

2353
02:32:03,900 --> 02:32:06,840
victim and I haven't talked
about her very much but this

2354
02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:13,860
alleged victim was upon yeah was
a beast saw her a VIC

2355
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:14,640
yeah

2356
02:32:14,670 --> 02:32:19,770
good great it's very it's very
clear that she wasn't a credible

2357
02:32:19,770 --> 02:32:28,020
witness. But politics kicked in
it's the same thing with the

2358
02:32:28,020 --> 02:32:31,560
written house okay, like I said
these things these two things

2359
02:32:31,560 --> 02:32:34,560
are like mirror images but our
thing about written our he

2360
02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:37,200
didn't have the institutional
wealth but that's why I say no

2361
02:32:37,200 --> 02:32:41,010
to me and always can through
boys defense fun he had a

2362
02:32:41,670 --> 02:32:43,020
fighting chance to get out of
it.

2363
02:32:43,290 --> 02:32:47,640
So ultimately for the love of
money is the root of all evil

2364
02:32:48,480 --> 02:32:54,000
because everything boils down to
money in this in in these in

2365
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:58,950
these cases yes jealousy that
all of it all of it all of it.

2366
02:32:59,550 --> 02:33:04,200
But it's a structural problem
it's a structural issue of I got

2367
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:09,060
screwed and I'm owed and it's
being played into I'm not quite

2368
02:33:09,060 --> 02:33:15,570
sure exactly why the Whelk the
world culture Mm hmm it's just

2369
02:33:15,570 --> 02:33:18,150
it doesn't seem like it would
ever be powerful enough to take

2370
02:33:18,150 --> 02:33:20,460
down these types of
institutions. Are they just

2371
02:33:20,460 --> 02:33:24,090
trying to carpet mom with as
much as possible all the time?

2372
02:33:25,050 --> 02:33:29,370
Yeah, it's a it's a continuous
struggle, right it's not gonna

2373
02:33:29,370 --> 02:33:32,460
be it's not gonna be one hit
that takes them down. No, but

2374
02:33:32,460 --> 02:33:36,150
this was a big hit because if
you could get it just take the

2375
02:33:36,150 --> 02:33:41,490
original story 20 lacrosse
players rate blacks let students

2376
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:44,340
know the story. Well, this was
also a story not strippers

2377
02:33:44,340 --> 02:33:44,730
student,

2378
02:33:44,760 --> 02:33:53,190
but this was also an exercise in
media. manipulation, baby

2379
02:33:53,190 --> 02:33:57,390
propaganda. psychological
operation just said that maybe

2380
02:33:57,390 --> 02:34:01,080
even more so than than anything
to see how, how far we could

2381
02:34:01,080 --> 02:34:04,230
push people into believing
again. Remember, I there are

2382
02:34:04,230 --> 02:34:06,240
things that I didn't even know
about the case.

2383
02:34:07,830 --> 02:34:12,630
Yes, but that's it wasn't.
That's because the established

2384
02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:17,850
media establishment media wasn't
in on it. Like they are now.

2385
02:34:17,940 --> 02:34:23,400
Right? See, the order was
different than, um, CBS won a

2386
02:34:23,400 --> 02:34:27,030
Peabody for the coverage of this
case, because they were quickly

2387
02:34:27,030 --> 02:34:34,230
exposing the facts. Ah, true.
This is the difference now like

2388
02:34:34,260 --> 02:34:39,000
they have completely and I think
John always references on our

2389
02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:43,530
agenda show, but they've hired
so woke. Yeah, that the keys

2390
02:34:43,530 --> 02:34:48,300
that we're going to school now,
so just like 2006 is 2020. Now

2391
02:34:48,330 --> 02:34:51,120
those kids are graduating to
down six or 14 years into their

2392
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:56,730
career. And to me, because this
is a I mean, Duke is putting out

2393
02:34:56,790 --> 02:35:01,200
a lot of high level
professionals. Yeah. And they're

2394
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:05,100
going off to be woken these
companies. And now when they go

2395
02:35:05,100 --> 02:35:09,210
to the New York Times or CBS
they have well allies that will

2396
02:35:09,210 --> 02:35:13,590
run with the story, which at the
time, they didn't have that kind

2397
02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:17,430
of leverage in the in the main
you had to go to your Nancy

2398
02:35:17,430 --> 02:35:21,480
graces of the world. Um, so she
was trying to make a name for

2399
02:35:21,480 --> 02:35:24,990
herself as well. I think we
stopped at what two is that one?

2400
02:35:24,990 --> 02:35:25,260
Yeah,

2401
02:35:25,350 --> 02:35:27,780
yeah. Yeah, number two is out.

2402
02:35:27,960 --> 02:35:32,850
And then the second dancer woman
named Kim Roberts drove off and

2403
02:35:32,850 --> 02:35:36,270
in a normal circumstance, no one
ever would have would have heard

2404
02:35:36,270 --> 02:35:41,190
of this again. But as Roberts
drove off, she was she found out

2405
02:35:41,190 --> 02:35:43,980
that her fellow dancer and
passed out. She called the

2406
02:35:43,980 --> 02:35:49,140
police to come and get Mangum to
take her either home or to a

2407
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:54,900
psychological institution.
Mangum when she was awakened by

2408
02:35:54,900 --> 02:35:57,600
the police, she was going to be
admitted to a psychological

2409
02:35:57,600 --> 02:36:02,430
institution and was prompted
improperly by a nurse who asked

2410
02:36:02,430 --> 02:36:06,210
her whether she had been raped
and Mangum system. Well said

2411
02:36:06,210 --> 02:36:09,390
yes, she was sent to Duke
Hospital and she made an

2412
02:36:09,390 --> 02:36:15,030
allegation. We saw a kind of mob
mentality that took hold of the

2413
02:36:15,030 --> 02:36:19,410
activist wing of the Duke
faculty, which culminated in an

2414
02:36:19,440 --> 02:36:24,960
April 2006 statement signed by
88 Duke faculty members called

2415
02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:29,640
the group of 88, in which before
any charges even had been filed,

2416
02:36:30,030 --> 02:36:34,530
these ADH faculty members took
out an ad a full page ad in the

2417
02:36:34,530 --> 02:36:38,970
Duke campus newspaper. They
unequivocally asserted that

2418
02:36:38,970 --> 02:36:41,970
something had happened to
Crystal manga, or she was

2419
02:36:41,970 --> 02:36:45,360
claiming rape lacrosse players
that said nothing happened. They

2420
02:36:45,360 --> 02:36:48,330
said that they would continue
their activism regardless of

2421
02:36:48,330 --> 02:36:52,770
what the court decided or what
the police said. And they

2422
02:36:52,770 --> 02:36:56,250
thanked public protesters for
not waiting and making

2423
02:36:56,250 --> 02:37:00,180
themselves heard. And the
highest profile public protest

2424
02:37:00,210 --> 02:37:03,540
that had occurred at that point,
had been a march in front of the

2425
02:37:03,540 --> 02:37:07,380
captain's house in which
protesters had carried large

2426
02:37:07,380 --> 02:37:12,390
signs are urging the castration
of the lacrosse captains. So

2427
02:37:12,390 --> 02:37:19,200
this was it was a complete
abandonment of any pretense of

2428
02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:22,020
objectivity have any interest in
the truth?

2429
02:37:24,210 --> 02:37:25,230
Just starting to make sense

2430
02:37:25,230 --> 02:37:27,240
now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally.

2431
02:37:29,100 --> 02:37:33,600
88 faculty members signed on
before even any,

2432
02:37:33,780 --> 02:37:36,900
for any information was no basic
right.

2433
02:37:37,410 --> 02:37:41,130
And celebrated their protesters
saying you know whether right or

2434
02:37:41,130 --> 02:37:45,840
wrong, we applaud you for just
that happen. What do you mean?

2435
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:51,600
It's a coup. This was a power.
This was a this was a coup. They

2436
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:52,080
were trying to

2437
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:55,170
but but that's uh, that's, I
mean, that's a lot, man. That's

2438
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:56,190
unbelievable.

2439
02:37:56,700 --> 02:38:01,170
Right? And this is why I'm
saying one da didn't decide to

2440
02:38:01,170 --> 02:38:05,820
throw his career way. He was in
for a political break. Yeah,

2441
02:38:05,820 --> 02:38:06,630
yeah.

2442
02:38:07,950 --> 02:38:09,180
Yeah. Yeah,

2443
02:38:09,210 --> 02:38:13,650
we understand the good old boy
network. Trust me. When you live

2444
02:38:13,650 --> 02:38:18,000
in a town like Durham you
understand you come and do. You

2445
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:22,860
can get counsel counsel. I mean,
do you see the kind of power

2446
02:38:22,860 --> 02:38:28,830
that they have? Um, but they
still those 88 still said no.

2447
02:38:29,550 --> 02:38:33,570
Activist protests. They're
saying process and they're out

2448
02:38:33,570 --> 02:38:39,210
in front of the frat house
castrate him. It's this it's

2449
02:38:39,240 --> 02:38:42,420
like I said, this is a glimpse
into where we're at now

2450
02:38:42,450 --> 02:38:45,450
that I actually remember I
remember the castrate the cast

2451
02:38:45,450 --> 02:38:47,550
Wraith and things of that
somehow that and that's

2452
02:38:47,550 --> 02:38:50,400
not good but that's that's
representative of what

2453
02:38:50,400 --> 02:38:54,990
castrating the patriarchy Oh
yeah. take take take their

2454
02:38:54,990 --> 02:38:59,310
manhood away from so and like I
said, I'm not gonna play these

2455
02:38:59,310 --> 02:39:04,320
games like you know that the
stigma wasn't there to do was

2456
02:39:04,320 --> 02:39:07,290
racist because as that's why I
played their clips from my

2457
02:39:07,290 --> 02:39:11,640
pastor. They did look like look
at not particularly these two

2458
02:39:11,640 --> 02:39:15,870
women Kundera black but these
two poor women yeah that you

2459
02:39:15,870 --> 02:39:18,570
know saying like they're they're
objects come over here

2460
02:39:18,570 --> 02:39:22,350
entertainments shake it up, you
know do do what we tell you to

2461
02:39:22,350 --> 02:39:27,030
do. Kind of thing so there was
some kind of authority here that

2462
02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:31,140
they were trying to flex in
privilege to say okay, yeah, we

2463
02:39:31,140 --> 02:39:34,560
can just call it strippers, your
your entertainment you do we

2464
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:35,580
tell you to do but

2465
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:41,460
just just just to be fair. That
is kind of the relationship

2466
02:39:41,460 --> 02:39:47,220
between escort slash strippers
who do house calls and the

2467
02:39:47,220 --> 02:39:52,950
customers it's nothing you know,
this has a whole racial element

2468
02:39:52,950 --> 02:40:02,880
to it. That is But I'm very
careful. I'm very careful

2469
02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:08,100
because I coming from Amsterdam
and I also understand that

2470
02:40:08,100 --> 02:40:13,890
industry, and we have to
humanize what they're doing as

2471
02:40:13,890 --> 02:40:18,090
well. It's not it's not it's not
always desperation.

2472
02:40:19,050 --> 02:40:21,900
No, no, some women choose to do
it because it's a lifestyle.

2473
02:40:22,710 --> 02:40:26,460
That's the point like, it makes
a choice like I can. It's my

2474
02:40:26,460 --> 02:40:28,590
body, I can monetize anywhere I
want to part.

2475
02:40:29,550 --> 02:40:34,800
Part of that deal is is the, you
know, do do what I say take your

2476
02:40:34,800 --> 02:40:37,980
clothes off. It's it's a sick
game, and when you look at it

2477
02:40:37,980 --> 02:40:41,340
kind of in that way, but I'm
just saying that that's not

2478
02:40:41,340 --> 02:40:45,000
necessarily to me, it's not the
best example of objectifying a

2479
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:48,000
person that that's like a
contract to objectify

2480
02:40:48,510 --> 02:40:52,470
know what I mean by objectify is
that this is part of the college

2481
02:40:52,470 --> 02:40:57,600
experience to come here and do
these kinds of things. But

2482
02:40:57,600 --> 02:41:01,500
yeah, I'm sorry, I forgot these
are a bunch of 18 year old

2483
02:41:01,500 --> 02:41:03,480
turns. You're right. I'm sorry.
I forgot about.

2484
02:41:04,260 --> 02:41:06,480
It was the point. It was the
point it was it had to do

2485
02:41:06,480 --> 02:41:10,320
anything about sex. I believe it
was the point of entertainment.

2486
02:41:10,320 --> 02:41:13,890
Yeah, entertainment the same way
you look into basketball players

2487
02:41:13,890 --> 02:41:17,730
and run up and down the court,
your entertainment. I mean, it's

2488
02:41:18,990 --> 02:41:21,390
this, it's just it's so
difficult for me, because

2489
02:41:21,390 --> 02:41:25,800
growing up in the Netherlands,
you know, at the impressionable

2490
02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:31,200
age is like going going from 13
prostitution, and these types of

2491
02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:35,490
things were no longer so what
were considered very normal

2492
02:41:36,900 --> 02:41:40,590
parts of normal day life. So I
have a very different

2493
02:41:40,890 --> 02:41:46,410
experience. In general like
this, it's hard to explain. It's

2494
02:41:46,410 --> 02:41:49,530
just I have no cultural
reference to any of this.

2495
02:41:50,070 --> 02:41:53,460
But it was a rite of passage to
go to the strip club as well for

2496
02:41:53,460 --> 02:41:57,510
young men in Durham to go over
to a club for this course. So I

2497
02:41:57,510 --> 02:42:02,580
mean, like I said, it's not the
point about, um, the sex aspect

2498
02:42:02,580 --> 02:42:06,480
of it was just that the power
that you know, it's the power

2499
02:42:07,200 --> 02:42:09,510
structure, not the sexual aspect
of it.

2500
02:42:09,540 --> 02:42:14,880
Yes. So again, uniquely not
Dutch. To that doesn't exist,

2501
02:42:14,880 --> 02:42:18,540
like, like, like Porky's. You
know, the movie Porky's that was

2502
02:42:18,570 --> 02:42:22,500
yeah, that was, that was a shoe
that was that was a huge hit in

2503
02:42:22,530 --> 02:42:27,150
in the Netherlands. And everyone
go like, wow, they're crazy in

2504
02:42:27,150 --> 02:42:27,840
America.

2505
02:42:29,220 --> 02:42:33,660
That but that's what those young
boys were going to college to

2506
02:42:33,660 --> 02:42:37,380
experience that Porky's
experienced. Yes. Yeah. That's

2507
02:42:37,380 --> 02:42:40,890
the Collegian or animal, Animal
House or

2508
02:42:40,920 --> 02:42:44,160
Yeah, and should I tell you this
is one of the main reasons why I

2509
02:42:44,160 --> 02:42:46,950
dropped out of college because I
got there. I wanted to learn

2510
02:42:46,950 --> 02:42:50,310
communications. I want to be on
the radio I want to do

2511
02:42:50,310 --> 02:42:54,270
management stuff for the radio,
and all those was porkies and I

2512
02:42:54,270 --> 02:42:58,590
call my mom's I gotta leave here
this is not for me. So now you

2513
02:42:58,590 --> 02:42:59,220
understand my

2514
02:42:59,220 --> 02:43:03,120
graphic you know what that's why
I switched colleges three times

2515
02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:04,860
for the same reason yeah

2516
02:43:04,860 --> 02:43:08,280
right i you whenever on campus I
use it you live off campus

2517
02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:11,100
right yeah, it was I went to
college I went to class not

2518
02:43:11,100 --> 02:43:15,870
college right. Because I felt
college to be very I don't know

2519
02:43:16,290 --> 02:43:19,200
it sounds like corrupt a lot of
people easily

2520
02:43:19,859 --> 02:43:24,539
it this is where the Illuminati
and all this begins

2521
02:43:28,110 --> 02:43:31,650
I think we got to calm down on
explaining how it all works MO

2522
02:43:32,310 --> 02:43:35,220
Not this is what this is the
power this is the power

2523
02:43:35,220 --> 02:43:39,210
structure this is the year it
doesn't matter what June grades

2524
02:43:39,210 --> 02:43:43,410
your main issue your roommate is
it's what fret you're accepted

2525
02:43:43,410 --> 02:43:48,180
to write it this is the real
power structure and this is why

2526
02:43:48,180 --> 02:43:54,300
people on the outside hate them.
This is why the admissions

2527
02:43:54,300 --> 02:43:58,860
scandal got more attention in
the design Maxwell case. Yes

2528
02:43:58,860 --> 02:44:03,000
attention. Yes, we want to see
rich people burn that we don't

2529
02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:06,660
like if we like you. It's cool.
You're saying it's rich people

2530
02:44:06,660 --> 02:44:09,360
that we don't like we want to
see you burn right that's that's

2531
02:44:09,360 --> 02:44:13,500
the that's that's where Nancy
Grace was coming from. Like

2532
02:44:13,500 --> 02:44:19,560
these reads rich, no preppy
boys. Let him burn his equity.

2533
02:44:19,620 --> 02:44:22,950
It was like right it's a matter
it's the same outcome. But you

2534
02:44:22,950 --> 02:44:26,550
know, it's equal outcome right
you know, nothing innocent No,

2535
02:44:26,850 --> 02:44:29,640
enough non white people went to
jail. We need some white was to

2536
02:44:29,640 --> 02:44:32,190
go to jail, even though if
they're interested or not. Got

2537
02:44:32,190 --> 02:44:35,130
it. That's the that's the
mentality. So I think we stopped

2538
02:44:35,130 --> 02:44:36,960
at two Let's go again, three.
There

2539
02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:40,830
were three elements that that
prove Mangum lied. The first and

2540
02:44:40,830 --> 02:44:44,550
by far the most important was
the DNA Mangum story there was

2541
02:44:44,550 --> 02:44:48,180
that she was sexually assaulted
for 30 minutes by a group of

2542
02:44:48,180 --> 02:44:54,690
people who did not use condoms.
In such an assault DNA would be

2543
02:44:54,870 --> 02:44:57,060
left behind and she was
immediately taken to the

2544
02:44:57,060 --> 02:45:01,350
hospital. DNA samples were taken
from all 46 White lacrosse

2545
02:45:01,350 --> 02:45:04,770
players, and there were no
matches to na 46. The second

2546
02:45:04,770 --> 02:45:09,510
were the were the descriptions.
Mangum did describe the people

2547
02:45:09,510 --> 02:45:12,870
who attacked her. Those
descriptions didn't resemble in

2548
02:45:12,870 --> 02:45:17,520
any way any of the lacrosse
players. And the third were the

2549
02:45:17,550 --> 02:45:21,870
inconsistencies. Within Mangum
story, manga looked at a number

2550
02:45:21,900 --> 02:45:25,770
of different photo ways. There
was only one lacrosse player

2551
02:45:25,800 --> 02:45:30,480
that she positively identified
as being at the party in every

2552
02:45:30,480 --> 02:45:33,900
single photo array that she
looked at. The problem is that

2553
02:45:33,900 --> 02:45:37,260
that was one lacrosse player who
could prove that he was never in

2554
02:45:37,260 --> 02:45:40,980
Durham, but actually wasn't in
Durham County, the night of the

2555
02:45:40,980 --> 02:45:44,490
party. And that information was
shared with prosecutors. So the

2556
02:45:44,490 --> 02:45:47,760
prosecutors view before they
went forward, but they had a

2557
02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:51,780
wholly unreliable witness whose
descriptions didn't match her

2558
02:45:51,780 --> 02:45:55,410
alleged attackers, and where
there was no medical basis to

2559
02:45:55,410 --> 02:45:57,660
advance to substantiate Her
charges.

2560
02:45:58,710 --> 02:46:00,420
Okay, there you go.

2561
02:46:00,599 --> 02:46:05,069
So no DNA. And the story didn't
make any sense. And it's for me,

2562
02:46:05,069 --> 02:46:08,939
when the details started coming
out. I'm like, hold on. First of

2563
02:46:08,939 --> 02:46:14,249
all, when I said 20 Guys, put
like, that didn't make sense.

2564
02:46:14,279 --> 02:46:17,849
And when there's no physical
evidence, you know, so when he

2565
02:46:17,849 --> 02:46:20,759
starts saying start coming out,
you know, he just started

2566
02:46:20,759 --> 02:46:25,169
looking inside out, but on the
ground, things were still tense.

2567
02:46:25,769 --> 02:46:29,579
You know, because it was the
matter of, regardless if they're

2568
02:46:29,579 --> 02:46:32,879
guilty or not, they're gonna get
away with the either way. Yeah.

2569
02:46:32,909 --> 02:46:34,859
So that's, that's what we're
attacking. That was the

2570
02:46:34,859 --> 02:46:37,139
mountain. That was the mindset.
And I think that was the mindset

2571
02:46:37,169 --> 02:46:41,159
of the group of 88. It's like,
Let's get them because if it's

2572
02:46:41,159 --> 02:46:45,119
not now, they'll do it again.
Yeah, they're gonna do

2573
02:46:45,119 --> 02:46:49,649
something. Which is a very date.
Like I said, this is very

2574
02:46:49,649 --> 02:46:55,199
dangerous, because when we look
at cases like, I'm Brian banks,

2575
02:46:55,829 --> 02:46:58,529
at the same time, around the
same time, he was a high school

2576
02:46:58,529 --> 02:47:04,739
football player that got accused
by a classmate or rate. Juanita

2577
02:47:04,739 --> 02:47:08,579
Gibson, another black woman, he
was black. He did like five

2578
02:47:08,579 --> 02:47:12,899
years in jail. I mean, his
narrative is Batman. I mean,

2579
02:47:13,049 --> 02:47:16,619
anybody can tell on our guy, I
heard of a guy, right, you know,

2580
02:47:16,619 --> 02:47:19,679
athlete that, you know, got
caught in their own dorm and now

2581
02:47:19,679 --> 02:47:23,849
he's doing you know, five to 10
Archer. So it's like, how did

2582
02:47:23,849 --> 02:47:28,439
they get away with it? He's you
know, saying like, this is this

2583
02:47:28,439 --> 02:47:31,919
is where the frustration came
from, from people that didn't

2584
02:47:31,919 --> 02:47:34,379
want it to believe their story
and was being duped by the

2585
02:47:34,379 --> 02:47:38,969
media. It's like, you know, our
guys never get away with this.

2586
02:47:40,199 --> 02:47:43,409
And now they're gonna end do you
have to do a plan to the crowd.

2587
02:47:44,489 --> 02:47:46,739
The same way it was in the
Rittenhouse case.

2588
02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:53,970
Hmm. So, all right, well, let's
just continue a little bit. I

2589
02:47:53,970 --> 02:47:56,370
don't want to I don't want to
stop the flow.

2590
02:47:57,000 --> 02:47:58,320
Okay, number 29.

2591
02:47:58,410 --> 02:48:03,300
I am not going to allow Durham
view in the mind of the world to

2592
02:48:03,300 --> 02:48:04,710
be a bunch of

2593
02:48:04,770 --> 02:48:09,690
stocks, not lacrosse. This is
this is my iPhone speaking. So I

2594
02:48:09,690 --> 02:48:12,120
just wanna This is him speaking
in the beginning of the clip. So

2595
02:48:12,120 --> 02:48:12,990
I just wanna let people know
that

2596
02:48:13,439 --> 02:48:18,329
I am not going to allow dermed
view in the mind of the world to

2597
02:48:18,329 --> 02:48:24,839
be a bunch of lacrosse players
from do raping a black bow and

2598
02:48:24,839 --> 02:48:25,199
all

2599
02:48:25,439 --> 02:48:31,949
night long as prosecutor seemed
to be functioning as if his goal

2600
02:48:31,949 --> 02:48:36,299
in the case was to violate as
many different ethical

2601
02:48:36,329 --> 02:48:41,429
procedures as he possibly could
in one case. So you know, he

2602
02:48:41,429 --> 02:48:44,789
ordered the police to run this
rigged photo lineup that

2603
02:48:44,789 --> 02:48:47,369
contained only photos of
lacrosse players. So anyone

2604
02:48:47,369 --> 02:48:53,969
Mangum picked, could be charged.
He conspired with the former

2605
02:48:53,969 --> 02:48:59,639
head of a DNA lab to ensure that
the the lab had would not fully

2606
02:48:59,639 --> 02:49:04,379
report his DNA results results
which were exonerating of the

2607
02:49:04,379 --> 02:49:09,089
players. He lied in open court
to a judge for which he

2608
02:49:09,089 --> 02:49:14,219
eventually was held in criminal
contempt and was sent to county

2609
02:49:14,219 --> 02:49:20,219
jail for for one day, he issued
a barrage of inflammatory public

2610
02:49:20,219 --> 02:49:24,929
statements, which violated
ethical rules for prosecutors.

2611
02:49:25,199 --> 02:49:29,969
So knife Long's behavior was was
extraordinarily bad.

2612
02:49:31,080 --> 02:49:35,430
Wow, man, how does it's, you
know, it's not coordinated but

2613
02:49:35,430 --> 02:49:39,060
still it's like something that
Bond's and connects all these

2614
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:39,930
actors.

2615
02:49:42,540 --> 02:49:46,890
Is what what do you mean? Oh,
can you can you can you explain?

2616
02:49:47,490 --> 02:49:50,490
It's kind of like you know, the
the meta version of that is

2617
02:49:50,730 --> 02:49:54,750
where you know the globalist
world order the New World Order.

2618
02:49:54,780 --> 02:49:58,050
It's not really coordinated, but
it's so mutually beneficial that

2619
02:49:58,050 --> 02:50:01,230
people kind of, you know, the
farmers cuticle industry works

2620
02:50:01,230 --> 02:50:04,350
nicely along with what the banks
need covered up or it's nicely

2621
02:50:04,350 --> 02:50:07,200
along with politicians who need
power. You know what I mean?

2622
02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:09,750
It's not it's not like really
coordinated, but it all just

2623
02:50:09,750 --> 02:50:11,220
kind of flows together.

2624
02:50:12,900 --> 02:50:18,030
It's a shared goal, shared goal.
Now, there you go. It's a shared

2625
02:50:18,030 --> 02:50:23,940
goal. And the shared goal is
those the liberal professors, I

2626
02:50:23,940 --> 02:50:28,050
believe, got with, you know, the
DA in some kind of way in a back

2627
02:50:28,050 --> 02:50:30,120
channel. And like I said, this
is speculation here. I just

2628
02:50:30,120 --> 02:50:34,050
wanna make that clear. But as as
the guy said, he was break, he

2629
02:50:34,050 --> 02:50:39,090
was going through all the rest
red lights, to say, you know,

2630
02:50:39,120 --> 02:50:44,100
um, yeah, we're gonna rig the
DNA, we're gonna rig the line

2631
02:50:44,100 --> 02:50:48,750
up. Yeah, we're gonna do all of
this. And this is just for some

2632
02:50:48,750 --> 02:50:52,770
clarity. People were saying this
was due to him having a hotly

2633
02:50:52,770 --> 02:50:56,190
contested primary that was
coming up in a couple of months.

2634
02:50:56,640 --> 02:51:02,310
And he was playing to the black
crowd to say, Oh, we're gonna

2635
02:51:02,310 --> 02:51:04,620
get some do white boys. I'm
saying vote for me.

2636
02:51:05,160 --> 02:51:08,400
Hey, was, was Soros funding this
Nifong? At the time?

2637
02:51:09,060 --> 02:51:17,040
No, I don't think he has had
somewhere and do I'm sure. Um,

2638
02:51:17,190 --> 02:51:21,360
of it, because with the grants
and that kind of thing, I mean,

2639
02:51:21,690 --> 02:51:26,670
I'm sure he probably has, he has
I'm not him himself. But that

2640
02:51:26,700 --> 02:51:31,290
ilk that that collective of
these won't professors. And like

2641
02:51:31,290 --> 02:51:34,290
I said, this was the first
glimpse this glimpse of it, for

2642
02:51:34,290 --> 02:51:37,440
them to go against their
university that cuts their

2643
02:51:37,440 --> 02:51:41,370
checks, to say, No, we're gonna
take out full page ads and take

2644
02:51:41,370 --> 02:51:44,400
down these guys, right? And the
universe, like What the hell's

2645
02:51:44,400 --> 02:51:47,820
going on, don't even realize
like, You got to open a hole can

2646
02:51:47,820 --> 02:51:51,660
erase worms over here. And we
got all this free labor pushes

2647
02:51:51,660 --> 02:51:54,390
out number one source of
entertainment for the campus.

2648
02:51:54,960 --> 02:51:59,250
You can't do that. Right? And
it's even a bigger picture for

2649
02:51:59,250 --> 02:52:05,790
the NCAA. I guess. You We can't
forget that. I'm an amateur

2650
02:52:05,790 --> 02:52:09,900
athletics is just like almost
slavery. You heard Jalen Rose

2651
02:52:09,900 --> 02:52:14,280
say once he's done, he goes back
home. Exactly. Back to the host.

2652
02:52:14,280 --> 02:52:17,430
Oh, you make millions and
millions and billions of dollars

2653
02:52:17,430 --> 02:52:21,030
off for me. And I can't make any
recovery, your rules,

2654
02:52:21,570 --> 02:52:25,830
whatever came of that from a
couple about a year or so ago,

2655
02:52:25,830 --> 02:52:33,300
maybe a little bit longer. to
uh, to allow college athletes to

2656
02:52:33,300 --> 02:52:33,990
be paid?

2657
02:52:34,380 --> 02:52:39,030
Yeah, they can they can be paid
now. Now, it's, it's still some

2658
02:52:39,030 --> 02:52:40,020
great. I mean, it

2659
02:52:41,009 --> 02:52:43,319
was not like they weren't
getting, you know, cars and

2660
02:52:43,319 --> 02:52:47,759
apartments and stuff like that.
But yeah, yeah. But

2661
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:51,540
if they got caught, the player
would get in trouble. Right?

2662
02:52:52,050 --> 02:52:54,570
What? Isn't that funny,

2663
02:52:54,780 --> 02:52:58,050
the coach can just quit and go
to another job and get another

2664
02:52:58,050 --> 02:53:02,550
job. And in the penalties will
stay with the school and the

2665
02:53:02,550 --> 02:53:07,020
player will get penalized, but
not the coach. It was a perfect

2666
02:53:07,020 --> 02:53:09,870
system. And that this is a
system that people were trying

2667
02:53:09,870 --> 02:53:13,230
to highlight, which is a real I
mean, it's it's a real racket

2668
02:53:14,220 --> 02:53:19,350
there. But at the same time
they're doing it for dubious

2669
02:53:19,350 --> 02:53:22,290
reasons, because they know if I
take down sports that takes down

2670
02:53:22,980 --> 02:53:27,210
a lot, a lot. masculinity. They
mean the same thing with the

2671
02:53:27,210 --> 02:53:31,140
trans trans athletes and not the
point of view trying to

2672
02:53:31,140 --> 02:53:35,460
celebrate trans people in their
athletics. He just like will

2673
02:53:35,460 --> 02:53:36,180
destroy the train.

2674
02:53:36,180 --> 02:53:39,990
We're trying to ruin sports
across the board. Because sports

2675
02:53:40,140 --> 02:53:41,490
is not equitable.

2676
02:53:42,270 --> 02:53:44,790
Right? It's all about you know,
it's a meritocracy.

2677
02:53:44,850 --> 02:53:48,060
Well, someone wins, someone wins
in sports, that's not cool.

2678
02:53:48,480 --> 02:53:51,360
And at the same time, this is
when you start seeing sports,

2679
02:53:51,360 --> 02:53:54,720
not give trophies. This was the
no trophy area,

2680
02:53:55,350 --> 02:53:57,540
or everybody gets a trophy,
right.

2681
02:53:59,700 --> 02:54:02,190
So let's go ahead and get to the
last clip number 30.

2682
02:54:02,550 --> 02:54:05,280
It was I think, unprecedented
the sort of behavior that we saw

2683
02:54:05,280 --> 02:54:09,120
from the Duke faculty. And we,
you know, I can't think of

2684
02:54:09,120 --> 02:54:13,650
another instance, in modern
higher education, in which

2685
02:54:13,830 --> 02:54:18,240
faculty members essentially
chose to exploit their students

2686
02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:22,140
distress, to advance the campus
pedagogical agenda, to push

2687
02:54:22,140 --> 02:54:26,850
their own ideological vision,
and to abandon any pretense of

2688
02:54:26,850 --> 02:54:31,320
supporting fairness, due
process, the dispassionate

2689
02:54:31,320 --> 02:54:36,000
evaluation of evidence, so there
were multiple villains in this

2690
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:39,330
case, the worst of them was
knife wrong in terms of the

2691
02:54:39,360 --> 02:54:44,040
degree of the misconduct. But if
we want to look at unprecedented

2692
02:54:44,040 --> 02:54:47,340
conduct, I think the focus would
be on on the Duke faculty.

2693
02:54:53,100 --> 02:54:56,700
The Times coverage which was
both relentless and one sided

2694
02:54:56,700 --> 02:55:00,750
there were more than 100
articles or opinion columns in

2695
02:55:00,750 --> 02:55:04,050
the Times about the lacrosse
case, set the stage for the

2696
02:55:04,050 --> 02:55:07,290
national media that look, these
guys must be guilty because it's

2697
02:55:07,290 --> 02:55:10,140
the New York Times which is
saying it. And half the times is

2698
02:55:10,140 --> 02:55:12,240
saying it must be true.

2699
02:55:12,330 --> 02:55:14,100
I don't think they want to lie
detector test because they're

2700
02:55:14,100 --> 02:55:17,610
afraid they won't pass a lie
detector test

2701
02:55:17,640 --> 02:55:20,310
them I may be the last person
willing to take the heat because

2702
02:55:20,310 --> 02:55:23,190
the victim is certainly taking a
beating as Mike and I find it's

2703
02:55:23,190 --> 02:55:25,320
really unconscionably unfair.

2704
02:55:25,710 --> 02:55:29,490
This was a case that served
different agendas of different

2705
02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:32,790
groups for knife on he wanted
guilt because it would help his

2706
02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:37,980
cause in the primary for the
Duke faculty members, portraying

2707
02:55:37,980 --> 02:55:42,570
their own students as racist,
advanced and on campus agenda of

2708
02:55:42,570 --> 02:55:45,510
making more hires dealing with
topics of race, class and

2709
02:55:45,510 --> 02:55:49,590
gender, and requiring more
courses in race, class and

2710
02:55:49,590 --> 02:55:52,800
gender. And for the New York
Times, this was a case that fit

2711
02:55:52,800 --> 02:55:57,120
very much the basic assumptions
of a typical Times journalist

2712
02:55:57,150 --> 02:56:01,320
that white male athletes were
out of control of both sexual

2713
02:56:01,320 --> 02:56:07,290
and racial connotations. And
that advancing this would sort

2714
02:56:07,290 --> 02:56:11,940
of advance a broader ideological
agenda of the times. And so this

2715
02:56:11,940 --> 02:56:14,910
was it was almost a perfect
storm of a case in which a

2716
02:56:14,910 --> 02:56:18,810
variety of different groups
could exploit the case for their

2717
02:56:18,810 --> 02:56:20,520
own purposes.

2718
02:56:21,930 --> 02:56:28,980
It's a really, really good
historical compendium of our how

2719
02:56:28,980 --> 02:56:31,830
we got to where we are today,
and I'm sure there's other stops

2720
02:56:31,830 --> 02:56:35,460
along the way, but man is this
is this a big part of and this

2721
02:56:35,460 --> 02:56:39,870
is 2006. So long ago,

2722
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:43,740
this goes to show you that the
apparatus was ready. Oh, no,

2723
02:56:43,740 --> 02:56:47,220
this and this is long game, man.
This is real long game.

2724
02:56:47,609 --> 02:56:52,559
Yeah. And that's the whole point
of it is they lay and wait for

2725
02:56:52,559 --> 02:56:57,209
the perfect opportunity to rear
their heads up for their

2726
02:56:57,209 --> 02:57:00,359
personal game, and that that
spaciousness, just remember this

2727
02:57:00,359 --> 02:57:03,749
the reason why I want to keep
bringing this up at the expense

2728
02:57:03,779 --> 02:57:08,969
of a men and mentally ill black
woman. Yeah. Like they don't

2729
02:57:08,969 --> 02:57:14,489
care who they use. It doesn't it
doesn't care, you know, um, they

2730
02:57:14,489 --> 02:57:18,299
just threw out there. They knew
her story didn't hold water.

2731
02:57:18,479 --> 02:57:21,119
They didn't seem to give her
help. They said, Okay, we can

2732
02:57:21,119 --> 02:57:24,899
use her for our own gain. And
this goes to show you what the

2733
02:57:24,899 --> 02:57:30,659
door this is the clear cut case
of hold the door. Yeah, hold the

2734
02:57:30,659 --> 02:57:33,419
door and let us come right on.
And they were going to push all

2735
02:57:33,419 --> 02:57:38,219
their feminist and different
agendas on the back of this

2736
02:57:38,219 --> 02:57:42,929
black woman, which that goes to
show you and the weird thing is

2737
02:57:43,289 --> 02:57:48,029
the weird paradigm is the
liberal students used her as the

2738
02:57:48,029 --> 02:57:48,509
object.

2739
02:57:48,960 --> 02:57:54,210
Oh, yeah, of course. Of course.
That's that's that is the crazy

2740
02:57:54,210 --> 02:57:56,580
part of all and what's going on
now too.

2741
02:57:58,320 --> 02:58:06,330
Right. They didn't care about
Jojo. Joe, Joe, who can we just

2742
02:58:06,330 --> 02:58:10,620
use to up spit out in and keep
moving so well,

2743
02:58:10,620 --> 02:58:15,690
maybe, maybe one day people will
get hip to this? Well, we

2744
02:58:15,690 --> 02:58:18,690
had to look backwards to see for
like now if we just looked at

2745
02:58:18,690 --> 02:58:22,440
this case. Before the
Rittenhouse case, then we knew

2746
02:58:22,440 --> 02:58:24,090
what kind of what was going on.

2747
02:58:25,650 --> 02:58:30,150
Totally. This is real. I love
I'd love it when you do this to

2748
02:58:30,150 --> 02:58:33,000
me mo I love this. And you know
what else I love? I like brand

2749
02:58:33,000 --> 02:58:33,420
new money. I

2750
02:58:33,420 --> 02:58:37,080
just I don't want any money
around me. It's not. I don't

2751
02:58:37,080 --> 02:58:41,760
want to have a new one than a
brand than an old 20 That's kind

2752
02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:44,370
of dumb and but there's
something new money that excites

2753
02:58:45,060 --> 02:58:50,550
you like $100 bills. I owe money
to the most beautiful thing on

2754
02:58:50,550 --> 02:58:53,190
earth is $100. Bill. I haven't
seen a woman is good looking as

2755
02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:53,640
$100.

2756
02:58:55,590 --> 02:59:02,550
Bill. Yeah. Now we can't give
you any financial advice. But

2757
02:59:02,580 --> 02:59:05,340
what we're doing is we're
stacking SATs. So that's the new

2758
02:59:05,340 --> 02:59:08,460
money of the day. That's the
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2759
02:59:08,460 --> 02:59:11,910
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2761
02:59:15,630 --> 02:59:20,340
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2762
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2763
02:59:22,680 --> 02:59:28,410
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2764
02:59:28,410 --> 02:59:30,120
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2765
02:59:30,150 --> 02:59:32,010
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2766
02:59:32,970 --> 02:59:36,240
So we're going to thank the rest
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2767
02:59:36,240 --> 02:59:39,390
producers who helped out with
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02:59:39,390 --> 02:59:43,320
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02:59:43,320 --> 02:59:47,460
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2770
02:59:47,460 --> 02:59:51,540
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2771
02:59:51,540 --> 02:59:55,350
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02:59:59,640 --> 03:00:04,650
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2774
03:00:04,650 --> 03:00:12,240
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2775
03:00:12,240 --> 03:00:16,290
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2776
03:00:16,320 --> 03:00:20,190
Yeah, Benjamin Bateman. 3333
keep doing the work. Thank you

2777
03:00:20,190 --> 03:00:25,470
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2778
03:00:25,470 --> 03:00:30,510
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2779
03:00:30,510 --> 03:00:37,320
our value before I get Hi lol
hey you know that's See I told

2780
03:00:37,320 --> 03:00:40,290
you mo that's exactly what
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2781
03:00:40,290 --> 03:00:45,150
don't mind roll it out slow,
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2782
03:00:45,420 --> 03:00:50,340
Wisdom is always the way to go.
Oh yeah. Bowen Masterson big fan

2783
03:00:50,340 --> 03:00:52,800
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2784
03:00:52,800 --> 03:00:56,040
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03:00:56,040 --> 03:00:58,890
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03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:06,000
Congratulations. You're no
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03:01:06,210 --> 03:01:09,060
Since this is just phenomenal
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2788
03:01:09,060 --> 03:01:12,690
read everybody's name and of
course, moving forward if we if

2789
03:01:12,690 --> 03:01:16,590
we get these longer, longer
donation segments we'll probably

2790
03:01:16,590 --> 03:01:19,080
have to have a cut off at some
point but for right now I'm just

2791
03:01:19,080 --> 03:01:23,580
loving seeing all this Michael
Myers $25. earners Ben Wah,

2792
03:01:23,790 --> 03:01:27,600
sending you two x's in memory of
Malcolm for all the extra value

2793
03:01:27,600 --> 03:01:30,150
and Adam are providing with a
regular schedule. Thank you for

2794
03:01:30,150 --> 03:01:33,840
your courage. Thank you, sir
Ernesto. Yes, we worked hard on

2795
03:01:33,840 --> 03:01:39,480
shaping that up. Gleb Radetzky.
A screw Adam go deeper and

2796
03:01:39,480 --> 03:01:46,140
longer. Mo $20. Thank you all.
Right, it'd

2797
03:01:46,140 --> 03:01:49,200
be great a whole different way.
I

2798
03:01:49,260 --> 03:01:51,600
know I understand. Screw Adam.
Go.

2799
03:01:53,550 --> 03:01:55,530
I use a comma. i

2800
03:01:55,859 --> 03:01:58,409
There's no commas. Hey, you put
the spreadsheet together. I'm

2801
03:01:58,409 --> 03:02:01,619
just reading this right. I'm
writing this straight up, man.

2802
03:02:02,070 --> 03:02:06,090
I'm glad we need some commas in
there. That could be taking a

2803
03:02:06,090 --> 03:02:06,900
whole different way.

2804
03:02:06,929 --> 03:02:11,759
I think we all got it. Jay more
20 bucks. We smoked listening

2805
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and wanted to show our value.
Okay, Jay, have you met? Was it

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there?

2807
03:02:19,020 --> 03:02:19,950
Debatte. When

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03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:24,900
was he now? Yeah, to Bach Noir.
Yeah, maybe? Maybe you guys

2809
03:02:24,900 --> 03:02:28,650
should check each other out.
Judy Schwartz thank you for the

2810
03:02:28,650 --> 03:02:30,780
live shows on Wednesdays. I
enjoyed that every other

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03:02:30,780 --> 03:02:33,240
Wednesday. I enjoy reading the
chats and hearing all your

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03:02:33,240 --> 03:02:34,650
viewpoints and and

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03:02:34,650 --> 03:02:37,590
that's that's Judy St. Tiger
Auntie called out. So.

2814
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:41,940
Ah gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha.
Gotcha. And in the evening with

2815
03:02:41,940 --> 03:02:46,620
blessings to your family. Taylor
Stagg. $20. Thank you, Eric

2816
03:02:46,620 --> 03:02:49,770
Runkle. Hey, Mo and Adam. Sorry,
my last note was read aloud.

2817
03:02:49,770 --> 03:02:52,260
doxing mode. All right. I don't
think I don't think that was a

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03:02:52,260 --> 03:02:55,620
big problem. I thought I was
below the threshold. Yeah, no,

2819
03:02:55,650 --> 03:02:58,620
you're not. That's That's how we
roll. There is no threshold.

2820
03:02:59,820 --> 03:03:03,030
Yeah, we can't afford a
threshold at the moment. But

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03:03:03,030 --> 03:03:06,690
here's December's contribution
plus next because I caught up

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03:03:06,690 --> 03:03:10,380
and it's worth incalculably
more, but here's what I can

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03:03:10,380 --> 03:03:13,800
tweak monetary value wise and
that's exactly the point. That's

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03:03:13,800 --> 03:03:17,850
what value is it's it's you're
given the value that you can and

2825
03:03:17,850 --> 03:03:22,620
that's the perfect pricing
mechanism, no argument. David

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03:03:22,620 --> 03:03:25,830
Chaloner all the best mon Adam
Have a great Thanksgiving now a

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French spelling? Mark asher
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eres the third 1038 Peace and
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03:03:47,220 --> 03:03:50,250
Bergstrom. Again Sir Chris, Vox.
Checking in mo love the last

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tape. Keep up the great work.
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different lens. Chris, from St.
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for episode number 72.

2863
03:06:05,670 --> 03:06:09,540
I'm not crying for the Duke
lacrosse players. Because

2864
03:06:10,050 --> 03:06:14,010
whenever you come for the power
structure, be prepared for the

2865
03:06:14,010 --> 03:06:18,480
backlash. And there was
definitely a backlash. As I said

2866
03:06:18,480 --> 03:06:24,930
before CBS won a Peabody for 60
minutes coverage of the Duke

2867
03:06:24,930 --> 03:06:30,600
lacrosse case and they were all
on a story debunking to protect

2868
03:06:30,630 --> 03:06:33,840
the you know, the Duke
University and the prestige that

2869
03:06:33,840 --> 03:06:37,470
comes along with it. So this
example that let's get into

2870
03:06:37,500 --> 03:06:38,430
number 32.

2871
03:06:38,940 --> 03:06:41,760
More than six months ago, Duke
University in the city of

2872
03:06:41,760 --> 03:06:45,480
Durham, North Carolina were
rocked by charges that Duke

2873
03:06:45,480 --> 03:06:49,710
lacrosse players raped an exotic
dancer at a team party. 60

2874
03:06:49,710 --> 03:06:53,070
minutes correspondent Ed Bradley
got exclusive interviews with

2875
03:06:53,070 --> 03:06:56,640
the three players charged in a
case, including former co

2876
03:06:56,640 --> 03:06:58,140
Captain Dave Evans,

2877
03:06:59,070 --> 03:07:05,520
do you ever think that if this
does go to trial, that if you're

2878
03:07:05,520 --> 03:07:09,150
convicted, you could face a lot
of time in prison? Do you ever

2879
03:07:09,240 --> 03:07:12,000
think about that? Would you?
Sure?

2880
03:07:12,599 --> 03:07:14,609
30 years, I could go to jail for
something that

2881
03:07:14,609 --> 03:07:15,389
never happened.

2882
03:07:15,840 --> 03:07:16,680
based on a lie.

2883
03:07:17,189 --> 03:07:19,709
And Bradley's here with us this
morning. Good morning. And good

2884
03:07:19,709 --> 03:07:22,349
morning. He spoke to all three
of these young men. Are they

2885
03:07:22,349 --> 03:07:24,209
scared? They've all said they're
innocent.

2886
03:07:24,990 --> 03:07:28,830
I think that they do have some
fear. As Dave says he's looking

2887
03:07:28,830 --> 03:07:32,460
at 30 years in prison for
something he says he didn't do.

2888
03:07:33,090 --> 03:07:35,640
Based on the evidence they feel
they shouldn't be in this

2889
03:07:35,640 --> 03:07:38,550
position. So they feel confident
that they're innocent.

2890
03:07:39,090 --> 03:07:41,820
You've also spoken with the
other dancer who was there that

2891
03:07:41,820 --> 03:07:44,880
night along with the accuser, a
young lady named Kim Roberts.

2892
03:07:44,910 --> 03:07:45,870
Let's take a look at that.

2893
03:07:46,710 --> 03:07:49,980
In the police statement. She
describes the rape in this way.

2894
03:07:50,340 --> 03:07:54,390
Three guys grabbed Nikki at you,
Brett Adam and Matt grabbed me.

2895
03:07:54,990 --> 03:07:58,260
They separated us at the master
bedroom door while we tried to

2896
03:07:58,260 --> 03:08:03,360
hold on to each other. But Adam
and Matt took me in to the

2897
03:08:03,360 --> 03:08:07,200
bathroom. What are you holding
on to each other? Were you

2898
03:08:07,200 --> 03:08:12,390
pulled apart? Is that true? No.
Did she give you any reason to

2899
03:08:12,390 --> 03:08:17,670
believe that she had been
assaulted in any way? No, none

2900
03:08:17,670 --> 03:08:18,180
whatsoever

2901
03:08:21,420 --> 03:08:27,570
so here so this mess where I was
making the point about a cow

2902
03:08:27,570 --> 03:08:32,880
Rittenhouse. If he went to Duke,
he got the same kind of

2903
03:08:32,880 --> 03:08:39,660
treatment. Yeah, is different
levels of whiteness. Don't have

2904
03:08:39,660 --> 03:08:41,730
to explain that to you. But
yeah, no, I hear

2905
03:08:41,730 --> 03:08:47,520
you. Did you see Kyle going to
attend classes at Arizona State?

2906
03:08:47,850 --> 03:08:50,520
No. But I seen him bouncing
around all the podcast

2907
03:08:50,640 --> 03:08:51,750
interview. Oh, no.

2908
03:08:52,020 --> 03:08:55,740
They had huge protests. He's not
welcome at the school. He's

2909
03:08:55,740 --> 03:08:56,130
done.

2910
03:08:57,870 --> 03:09:01,710
Yeah, somebody has taken me in
don't worry about some universal

2911
03:09:01,710 --> 03:09:06,150
love to have their name
associated with him. But that's

2912
03:09:06,150 --> 03:09:09,930
the thing that this is what
happens when you come up against

2913
03:09:09,930 --> 03:09:15,540
the power structure. A, this is
the power structure. And I want

2914
03:09:15,690 --> 03:09:19,470
in the reason why I'm pointing
this out is this is matched by

2915
03:09:19,470 --> 03:09:25,170
family. Right? And the power
comes from family. When you

2916
03:09:25,170 --> 03:09:28,290
don't have any family people can
treat you any kind of way. And

2917
03:09:28,290 --> 03:09:31,710
it kind of felt that way about
Kyle right. Is that Oh, who is

2918
03:09:31,710 --> 03:09:34,920
he? He's not linked to anybody
right? You know, we could drag

2919
03:09:34,920 --> 03:09:38,070
this kid through the mud. Now,
if it had been like I said what

2920
03:09:38,100 --> 03:09:42,360
like he became from this kind of
a background that the Duke

2921
03:09:42,360 --> 03:09:45,330
players came from the
establishment media would have

2922
03:09:45,330 --> 03:09:50,970
had more respect for him. And
and no carried a different way.

2923
03:09:51,540 --> 03:09:56,040
But he was looked at as an
object the same way the stripper

2924
03:09:56,040 --> 03:10:00,660
was the same way the maybes are
and this is The two level

2925
03:10:00,660 --> 03:10:04,230
society that we live in. Now a
lot of people are looked at as

2926
03:10:04,260 --> 03:10:12,420
objects. And when people that
don't exist in that circle that,

2927
03:10:12,480 --> 03:10:16,470
you know, there are somebody and
I hate that word or somebody,

2928
03:10:16,470 --> 03:10:21,750
but when they get a taste of it,
they come out with their guns a

2929
03:10:21,750 --> 03:10:26,610
blazing the push back against
it, um, and we're gonna see that

2930
03:10:26,610 --> 03:10:32,610
with Finnerty family, a, just
listen to how proud she is of

2931
03:10:32,610 --> 03:10:33,270
her son.

2932
03:10:34,019 --> 03:10:37,799
Hi, I'm Katie Couric Welcome to
Ida I Wednesday marked the end

2933
03:10:37,799 --> 03:10:40,559
of a long nightmare for the
families of the three former

2934
03:10:40,559 --> 03:10:44,459
Duke lacrosse players falsely
accused of rape. Harry Smith

2935
03:10:44,459 --> 03:10:48,209
spoke with the parents of Colin
Finnerty about their confidence

2936
03:10:48,209 --> 03:10:51,629
and their son's innocence, and
the impact of the ordeal on

2937
03:10:51,629 --> 03:10:52,439
their family.

2938
03:10:53,970 --> 03:10:58,380
And those three boys took the
microphone at that press

2939
03:10:58,380 --> 03:11:04,170
conference, and express
themselves so eloquently in your

2940
03:11:04,170 --> 03:11:07,860
son. At the press conference
talking about I can't think of

2941
03:11:07,860 --> 03:11:11,880
anything in my life that could
have brought me closer. These

2942
03:11:11,880 --> 03:11:14,730
kinds of things, tear people
apart, he says he brought my

2943
03:11:14,730 --> 03:11:16,200
family closer together.

2944
03:11:16,710 --> 03:11:19,770
He's right, though. I mean, we
had a wonderful family before,

2945
03:11:19,770 --> 03:11:27,120
but I can't say this year has
brought us closer together to

2946
03:11:27,120 --> 03:11:30,570
see the siblings stand by him
the way they did. And his older

2947
03:11:30,570 --> 03:11:34,410
brothers were there for him
every weekend. His younger

2948
03:11:34,410 --> 03:11:39,120
sisters were just an incredible
amount of support. And as a

2949
03:11:39,120 --> 03:11:42,870
parent as parents to see that
that's like all your dreams come

2950
03:11:42,870 --> 03:11:47,280
true. I mean, that's what family
is about. And I'm so proud of

2951
03:11:47,280 --> 03:11:49,680
how they got through this year.

2952
03:11:52,680 --> 03:11:56,820
That's why they hate it hate
families, cuz you can't counsel

2953
03:11:56,820 --> 03:11:57,900
somebody with a family.

2954
03:12:00,030 --> 03:12:02,160
Gosh, man, who are they Mo

2955
03:12:03,540 --> 03:12:10,620
is the you will say the academic
elite that leans more to the

2956
03:12:10,620 --> 03:12:12,150
communist side. You know, I

2957
03:12:12,150 --> 03:12:15,750
was thinking I was thinking
about this, talking about power

2958
03:12:15,750 --> 03:12:18,120
and structure, you know, so
right now they're, you know,

2959
03:12:18,120 --> 03:12:22,200
Congress is arguing about what
more free shit to give away more

2960
03:12:22,200 --> 03:12:27,840
money. Which is, there's
multiple reasons for it. But

2961
03:12:27,930 --> 03:12:32,790
back on the table is the idea of
forgiving student debt, or up to

2962
03:12:32,790 --> 03:12:38,340
$50,000 of student debt. And
what's interesting is, in 2006,

2963
03:12:38,340 --> 03:12:43,140
right around this time, is when
student loans started to

2964
03:12:43,140 --> 03:12:46,650
skyrocket backed by the federal
government that, of course, is

2965
03:12:46,650 --> 03:12:49,350
biolegend, because of
legislation, which basically is,

2966
03:12:49,500 --> 03:12:54,270
hey, you know, don't worry about
it. We got you covered, y'all

2967
03:12:54,270 --> 03:12:57,330
can borrow from us. And we
guarantee that that'll get, you

2968
03:12:57,330 --> 03:13:00,750
know, to the universities, and
we'll guarantee that we get it

2969
03:13:00,750 --> 03:13:02,790
back. Because, you know, we're
the government and we got the

2970
03:13:02,790 --> 03:13:05,580
army and everything and you
know, you can't go bankrupt, you

2971
03:13:05,580 --> 03:13:10,560
can't get rid of that of that
debt. And that debt now is $1.73

2972
03:13:10,560 --> 03:13:16,890
trillion. And that's just the
student loans. So that money has

2973
03:13:16,890 --> 03:13:20,940
gone into the education system
since 2006. One, almost two,

2974
03:13:21,210 --> 03:13:29,940
probably, you know, over 2
trillion trillion dollars. Holy

2975
03:13:30,750 --> 03:13:31,800
crap balls,

2976
03:13:32,010 --> 03:13:36,420
which makes Duke and schools
like do even more incredibly

2977
03:13:36,420 --> 03:13:41,550
powerful, well, powerful, rich,
rich is even more important,

2978
03:13:41,550 --> 03:13:44,820
because now you can get a
college degree from anywhere.

2979
03:13:45,990 --> 03:13:51,900
The Duke brand holds or the Yale
brand or the Harvard brand. They

2980
03:13:51,900 --> 03:13:56,010
their real degrees. And I made
that statement before of my

2981
03:13:56,010 --> 03:14:00,150
pastor being from Duke. It
wasn't this, like fly by night

2982
03:14:00,150 --> 03:14:04,800
school that you can get a PhD.
Right? So these are it only

2983
03:14:04,800 --> 03:14:08,880
increases their power. Because
this is why the missions is so

2984
03:14:08,880 --> 03:14:13,380
hard now to the getting to these
schools because you can go get a

2985
03:14:13,380 --> 03:14:17,310
college degree from anywhere and
really, it really diluted

2986
03:14:18,390 --> 03:14:19,230
colleges

2987
03:14:19,800 --> 03:14:22,410
are the are the actual stuff you
learn?

2988
03:14:23,160 --> 03:14:25,350
Well, not the prestige of

2989
03:14:26,850 --> 03:14:30,450
what No, no, I'm just saying
that. I was looked at a study

2990
03:14:30,450 --> 03:14:34,200
recently that show that people
who do online courses in

2991
03:14:34,200 --> 03:14:37,590
colleges test better and do
better on test scores than

2992
03:14:37,590 --> 03:14:40,290
people who attend in person on
campus college.

2993
03:14:41,100 --> 03:14:44,070
That's why I went to class and I
know I'm just

2994
03:14:44,070 --> 03:14:46,170
saying that's, that's what's
interesting about it.

2995
03:14:47,160 --> 03:14:52,320
But when you have more degrees,
it dilutes the meaning of go

2996
03:14:52,320 --> 03:14:55,140
short, of course. So of course
now people are starting to check

2997
03:14:55,140 --> 03:14:59,070
your brain like what kind of
what kind of degrees it means

2998
03:14:59,070 --> 03:15:04,620
something Yeah, No, and this is
why they have to protect schools

2999
03:15:04,620 --> 03:15:09,150
like this. And this is why
you've seen such a you know,

3000
03:15:09,360 --> 03:15:14,850
vehement pushback. Yeah, um, you
know, over these lacrosse

3001
03:15:14,850 --> 03:15:19,740
players, it's a lot at risk.
This is why the NCAA is such a

3002
03:15:19,740 --> 03:15:24,900
powerful Institute because
they're the gatekeepers for the

3003
03:15:24,930 --> 03:15:29,430
entertainment of universities. I
mean, who wants to go to

3004
03:15:29,850 --> 03:15:34,050
Alabama? If you couldn't see
Bama play football? Or do play

3005
03:15:34,050 --> 03:15:37,770
basketball, or Michigan or Ohio
State? Are these big schools?

3006
03:15:37,980 --> 03:15:40,890
These are the drawed. This is
the entertainment draw.

3007
03:15:41,519 --> 03:15:45,479
And again, it's so interesting,
because here is this difference

3008
03:15:45,899 --> 03:15:50,879
between us and cultural
background? Where I don't have

3009
03:15:51,029 --> 03:15:54,659
any of that that was not
marketed to me. I was unaware of

3010
03:15:54,659 --> 03:15:57,299
it. I don't know about the
entertainment value. This is why

3011
03:15:57,299 --> 03:16:02,969
I'm I was not in the American
media. You

3012
03:16:02,970 --> 03:16:05,760
Tito mean you teach right there,
right? Yeah, I don't I don't

3013
03:16:05,760 --> 03:16:10,110
care. I'm just saying but you
know, how you would you? I will

3014
03:16:10,110 --> 03:16:16,440
guess that you're aware. How big
of a deal and economic generator

3015
03:16:16,440 --> 03:16:18,090
it is for those football games
on Saturday?

3016
03:16:18,120 --> 03:16:21,090
Yes. So you're making my point
while missing it at the same

3017
03:16:21,090 --> 03:16:25,500
time. My point is, it is
uniquely American, how we how

3018
03:16:25,500 --> 03:16:30,750
the American youth and growing
up experience is all geared

3019
03:16:30,780 --> 03:16:37,050
around this. That is unique to
America, particularly with high

3020
03:16:37,050 --> 03:16:41,820
school sports flowing into
college sports. The pep rallies

3021
03:16:41,820 --> 03:16:45,360
to cheerleaders. That's not Do
you see cheerleaders during

3022
03:16:45,360 --> 03:16:50,580
World Soccer? No, no. Do you see
band? Do you see a halftime with

3023
03:16:50,580 --> 03:16:52,500
bands and Jay Z performing?

3024
03:16:52,890 --> 03:16:55,440
No. But this is the vetting
system? No, but

3025
03:16:55,470 --> 03:17:00,540
but I'm just what I'm pointing
out Mo is that this is a unique

3026
03:17:00,570 --> 03:17:06,000
American thing. Right? This is
It's fascinating to learn so

3027
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:10,920
much about it during this during
this show. Because you without

3028
03:17:10,920 --> 03:17:13,770
you knowing you're presuming
things that I have absolutely no

3029
03:17:13,770 --> 03:17:14,610
knowledge of.

3030
03:17:15,150 --> 03:17:18,750
Yeah, I'm aware of that. And
that's why I'm taking I'm taking

3031
03:17:18,750 --> 03:17:22,800
it, you know, trying to
highlight the point that it's

3032
03:17:22,800 --> 03:17:24,420
not about the sports,

3033
03:17:24,510 --> 03:17:28,620
I understand. But it's it's the
it's the whole package. It's the

3034
03:17:28,620 --> 03:17:32,820
marketing, it's this. It's the
loans, it's everything.

3035
03:17:33,870 --> 03:17:37,350
And it's the access. Yes, of
course, it has access into the

3036
03:17:37,350 --> 03:17:40,410
networks, of course, because if
you never make it on Duke

3037
03:17:40,410 --> 03:17:42,240
campus, you're going to be
capped. That's why

3038
03:17:42,660 --> 03:17:46,530
why Chris Cuomo had a job, you
know, it's like this, it's like,

3039
03:17:46,530 --> 03:17:49,380
everybody has to be connected
somehow.

3040
03:17:49,740 --> 03:17:53,070
Right? Because then then because
the flip side of it is like, how

3041
03:17:53,070 --> 03:17:55,920
do I work so hard for my son to
have these privileges? What do

3042
03:17:55,920 --> 03:17:59,460
you mean, but at the same time,
they did not have privileges is

3043
03:17:59,460 --> 03:18:05,550
weird, right? You have a thing
called Legacy students. Yeah.

3044
03:18:05,610 --> 03:18:08,040
Where are we like, if your
parents went to that school, you

3045
03:18:08,040 --> 03:18:11,940
kind of like and as long as I'm
saying reasonable grades, but

3046
03:18:11,940 --> 03:18:13,710
then I say, well, there's no
privilege. What do you mean

3047
03:18:13,710 --> 03:18:16,800
there's no, you have actual
thing called Legacy students.

3048
03:18:17,550 --> 03:18:21,720
You know, it's not as in it
matters, I mean, these sporting

3049
03:18:21,720 --> 03:18:25,650
events and it's not so it's not
only white institutions, but

3050
03:18:25,980 --> 03:18:32,970
this is the this is the know
this the infrastructure. So I

3051
03:18:32,970 --> 03:18:36,750
guess we can move on. This is
the second family to see. See,

3052
03:18:36,810 --> 03:18:41,520
Siegelman secret lemons. And
this is part one.

3053
03:18:42,300 --> 03:18:47,250
Your son's mug shot was out
there, he was shown walking with

3054
03:18:47,250 --> 03:18:50,280
handcuffs. How do you get past
that? I

3055
03:18:50,280 --> 03:18:54,810
will never get past that. I
won't. It'll it will be forever

3056
03:18:54,810 --> 03:19:00,450
etched in my mind. And but the
one thing that helps me deal

3057
03:19:00,450 --> 03:19:03,750
with it is that when he stepped
out of that police car, he stood

3058
03:19:03,750 --> 03:19:07,170
up tall. He put his shoulders
back, and I knew he was going to

3059
03:19:07,170 --> 03:19:12,150
be okay that day. I was home
watching it on TV, because I had

3060
03:19:12,150 --> 03:19:17,340
to stay home with my other boys.
And my husband was with the and

3061
03:19:18,870 --> 03:19:21,870
Reid had begged me Please mom,
they've already told us they're

3062
03:19:21,870 --> 03:19:26,250
going to handcuff us so please,
I don't want you to watch and I

3063
03:19:26,250 --> 03:19:31,140
found my younger son crying in
front of the TV watching it and

3064
03:19:31,860 --> 03:19:36,960
I was horrified. But when I saw
Reid step out, and he just stood

3065
03:19:36,960 --> 03:19:41,010
so tall and proud and I I knew
he was going to be fine.

3066
03:19:42,630 --> 03:19:43,830
Would you ring your bell on

3067
03:19:45,330 --> 03:19:49,530
the fact that he put his
shoulders back chest out? And

3068
03:19:49,530 --> 03:19:53,550
when I look I'm gonna take this
cake you're saying I'm gonna

3069
03:19:53,550 --> 03:20:00,900
face this like a man and that's
what's missing. Ah Oftentimes

3070
03:20:00,900 --> 03:20:04,050
when we're the victims and I say
we the black quote unquote

3071
03:20:04,050 --> 03:20:07,380
community or victims of crimes,
we already apologize and and

3072
03:20:07,380 --> 03:20:09,870
want to have peace. You know,
that's that corrupt thing like,

3073
03:20:09,900 --> 03:20:12,270
oh, we just want to get along
with everybody. I know you

3074
03:20:12,270 --> 03:20:16,410
killed my child, but I just want
to get along. Like these kids.

3075
03:20:16,440 --> 03:20:20,190
They were like, geez, they stuck
their chest out was like, Nope,

3076
03:20:20,700 --> 03:20:23,580
we're going down like that. But
they're backed by family. Right?

3077
03:20:24,000 --> 03:20:27,750
See, that's the power. And
that's what drives the left hand

3078
03:20:27,750 --> 03:20:32,460
side. The, the liberal was
crazy. It's just like the

3079
03:20:32,460 --> 03:20:37,080
smugness about it. But when you
got family backing you up? You

3080
03:20:37,080 --> 03:20:38,760
know, you feel 10 feet tall.

3081
03:20:39,780 --> 03:20:42,000
Oh, that's true. That's
absolutely true.

3082
03:20:42,480 --> 03:20:45,540
Yeah, and you hear it, she said,
I was, I was worried about my

3083
03:20:45,540 --> 03:20:48,990
son's house on standing like a
man. And I knew he was gonna be

3084
03:20:49,020 --> 03:20:53,520
alright, so that's that that's
the patriarchy. That's what

3085
03:20:53,520 --> 03:20:58,860
that's the desktop bogged down.
imagery of the baker patriarchy

3086
03:20:59,610 --> 03:21:05,910
is like, you can't crack me. You
know, and this is very personal

3087
03:21:05,910 --> 03:21:10,440
to me, because you can't break
me. You feel upset? Like, what

3088
03:21:10,440 --> 03:21:12,750
are you going to do? To me?
They're like this whole job

3089
03:21:12,750 --> 03:21:15,960
situation. Okay, take your job.
What are you gonna do? Ego crack

3090
03:21:15,960 --> 03:21:21,060
me? Because I was raised by me
and like we You see, turn on my

3091
03:21:21,060 --> 03:21:25,290
father, you're saying a whole
host of like, I don't like

3092
03:21:25,290 --> 03:21:29,970
talking about this stuff too
much. But pastors in and out my

3093
03:21:29,970 --> 03:21:33,840
house all the time eaten dinner?
Mm hmm. Like, I mean, I was

3094
03:21:34,410 --> 03:21:42,120
privy to, you know, a very
influential social circle. Just

3095
03:21:42,120 --> 03:21:43,350
to see it work.

3096
03:21:43,500 --> 03:21:46,050
And it shows Wow. And it shows.

3097
03:21:47,070 --> 03:21:52,860
That's why when I walk into a
room is confidence. Um, and it

3098
03:21:52,860 --> 03:21:55,080
can be off putting the people
because they want you to be in

3099
03:21:55,080 --> 03:21:57,990
sir. Oh, you're awful confident
for a black guy. You know, they

3100
03:21:57,990 --> 03:22:01,260
don't say that. But it's
basically all your different

3101
03:22:03,090 --> 03:22:06,660
people, but people didn't know,
other people, black people out

3102
03:22:06,660 --> 03:22:09,900
there know, when you hear you're
different. You know what that

3103
03:22:09,900 --> 03:22:14,580
means? Like, you don't fit the
calculation I have for you. And

3104
03:22:14,580 --> 03:22:18,090
it's not negative. It's just
that you don't meet the

3105
03:22:18,090 --> 03:22:21,120
expectations. And that's goes
back to what Jalen Rose felt

3106
03:22:21,120 --> 03:22:25,350
about Grant Hill. You know, he,
I don't need to show off my

3107
03:22:25,350 --> 03:22:28,770
skill speaks for itself. These
are the kinds of things that you

3108
03:22:28,770 --> 03:22:34,470
know, are embedded by the
patriarch by a patriarchal, not

3109
03:22:34,470 --> 03:22:38,670
the patriarchy, but by a
patriarchal society that teaches

3110
03:22:38,670 --> 03:22:43,560
you this and not, nothing can
break. Nothing can break you in

3111
03:22:43,560 --> 03:22:47,040
mass. And I found that clip to
be amazing that to say when I

3112
03:22:47,040 --> 03:22:51,660
saw my son, even though he was
in handcuffs, you stand tall.

3113
03:22:52,140 --> 03:22:55,470
And we're the victims of things
and we always apologize and say,

3114
03:22:55,470 --> 03:22:58,290
Oh, we just want to get along.
We forgive we forget, no, stop

3115
03:22:58,290 --> 03:23:02,250
forgiving and forgetting. get
blurred. And what I mean by blue

3116
03:23:02,310 --> 03:23:06,030
is I want you to listen to what
they said they want it I this

3117
03:23:06,030 --> 03:23:09,750
whole situation for how their
sons were created was treated.

3118
03:23:10,589 --> 03:23:14,849
today's press conference by the
Attorney General was a dramatic,

3119
03:23:15,239 --> 03:23:19,769
really a stunning repudiation of
Michael knife on the prosecutor.

3120
03:23:20,909 --> 03:23:24,299
If you had a chance to say
something to Mr. Knife on today,

3121
03:23:24,749 --> 03:23:25,529
what would it be?

3122
03:23:28,110 --> 03:23:34,650
What he did, and the fraud,
which he perpetuated for nearly

3123
03:23:34,650 --> 03:23:39,180
a year? Was it all that
important to be the district

3124
03:23:39,180 --> 03:23:43,290
attorney of Durham, North
Carolina, to throw three kids to

3125
03:23:43,290 --> 03:23:47,100
the wolves, ruin their lives,
ruin their family's lives all

3126
03:23:47,100 --> 03:23:52,050
for what? For what? I'll never
understand. never understand

3127
03:23:53,070 --> 03:23:54,810
what you'd like him to say to
you.

3128
03:23:58,710 --> 03:24:04,680
He's sorry. Not that that will
ever help how I feel. I would

3129
03:24:04,680 --> 03:24:10,050
like to know that this can never
happen again to anyone. It's a

3130
03:24:10,050 --> 03:24:20,220
horrifying thing. When you see
your child when you know that

3131
03:24:20,220 --> 03:24:24,720
your son can be put in jail for
something he didn't do. And it

3132
03:24:24,720 --> 03:24:28,650
is out of your control. And you
can't protect him from someone

3133
03:24:28,650 --> 03:24:35,430
that you know is lying and
fabricating stories about him

3134
03:24:35,670 --> 03:24:45,180
and and i i want this man to say
that he will never ever allow

3135
03:24:45,180 --> 03:24:48,930
something like this to happen
again. And I mean, I would like

3136
03:24:48,930 --> 03:24:51,930
him to say I resign is what I'd
like him to say. Would you like

3137
03:24:51,930 --> 03:24:52,110
him

3138
03:24:52,110 --> 03:24:56,070
to be disbarred? Yes. Which
charges file?

3139
03:24:56,100 --> 03:24:56,970
Yes, yes.

3140
03:24:58,080 --> 03:25:01,860
Yeah, it's different. Yeah. Oh,
Are the cops shoes? We heard the

3141
03:25:01,860 --> 03:25:06,720
family that were victims is I'm
sorry. We just want to forgive.

3142
03:25:06,930 --> 03:25:11,400
I forgive them today. They shot
my son. I forgave him. No, no,

3143
03:25:11,400 --> 03:25:15,630
no, no, no, it's a lot different
when you mess with real citizens

3144
03:25:16,800 --> 03:25:20,490
This is how citizens carry it
out. No, I want his job. I want

3145
03:25:20,490 --> 03:25:24,750
them disbarred. I want him in
jail. I want him to apologize.

3146
03:25:24,780 --> 03:25:28,770
They had a list of demands. They
weren't just happy for their son

3147
03:25:28,770 --> 03:25:34,920
to be free. We got to stop
moving and when I say we, I mean

3148
03:25:34,950 --> 03:25:37,650
talking about everybody now this
this is how we get in the

3149
03:25:37,650 --> 03:25:41,220
position that we're in now.
Where people tell us what to do.

3150
03:25:42,030 --> 03:25:44,580
No, we got to start saying what
we want upfront

3151
03:25:45,780 --> 03:25:49,500
everybody and that's especially
men

3152
03:25:50,700 --> 03:25:53,310
right because you heard you
heard what she said and you know

3153
03:25:53,760 --> 03:25:55,800
and guess what she got what she
wanted

3154
03:25:56,700 --> 03:26:03,840
yep God's gonna say that's this
type of thinking my experience

3155
03:26:03,870 --> 03:26:08,310
is get you what you want. You
know if the grass grows where

3156
03:26:08,310 --> 03:26:11,940
you water it if you focus on
something that you know, way

3157
03:26:11,940 --> 03:26:15,810
where you focus is what's going
to happen. It's just always that

3158
03:26:15,810 --> 03:26:16,140
way.

3159
03:26:16,740 --> 03:26:21,300
The NS what people had to start
realizing not you cow town, and

3160
03:26:21,300 --> 03:26:24,870
bending down I mean, that gets
you more of that. Get you more

3161
03:26:24,870 --> 03:26:25,710
boot. That's what

3162
03:26:27,150 --> 03:26:30,570
gets you more boot. Beautiful.

3163
03:26:30,990 --> 03:26:34,170
Prosecutor in the failed Duke
lacrosse rape case has been

3164
03:26:34,170 --> 03:26:38,220
disbarred over his handling of
the matter. Mike knife honks at

3165
03:26:38,220 --> 03:26:40,800
stoically as a three member
panel from the North Carolina

3166
03:26:40,800 --> 03:26:43,860
State Bar lectured him on what
they called his selfish

3167
03:26:43,860 --> 03:26:47,520
prosecution of three lacrosse
players who were falsely accused

3168
03:26:47,520 --> 03:26:51,000
of raping a stripper. We can
draw no other conclusion

3169
03:26:52,200 --> 03:26:57,090
but that those initial
statements that he made to

3170
03:26:57,090 --> 03:26:59,400
further his political ambitions

3171
03:26:59,640 --> 03:27:02,880
at the time when the case broken
iPhone was in a tight race for

3172
03:27:02,880 --> 03:27:06,600
reelection. He won that contest
but the rape case was falling

3173
03:27:06,600 --> 03:27:09,480
apart. He later let the state
attorney general handle the

3174
03:27:09,480 --> 03:27:12,480
matter and he dismissed all
charges saying the players were

3175
03:27:12,480 --> 03:27:15,810
innocent. The players are all in
the courtroom for the hearing

3176
03:27:15,930 --> 03:27:19,860
and had a subdued celebration at
the end. More years representing

3177
03:27:19,860 --> 03:27:22,380
the players a plot of the
decision district and iPhones

3178
03:27:22,380 --> 03:27:25,770
law license and say anyone
paying attention to the case new

3179
03:27:25,800 --> 03:27:28,770
knife on never had a chance to
convicting the players.

3180
03:27:28,950 --> 03:27:32,280
This story was simply a hoax.

3181
03:27:32,340 --> 03:27:35,400
Friday knife on told the panel
he was planning on resigning his

3182
03:27:35,400 --> 03:27:39,300
position and on Saturday, his
lawyer said nightlong himself

3183
03:27:39,300 --> 03:27:42,300
thought he should be disbarred
and added he won't appeal the

3184
03:27:42,300 --> 03:27:45,210
ruling. However the lawyers
representing the players say

3185
03:27:45,210 --> 03:27:47,880
they see little honor and those
moves. My

3186
03:27:47,880 --> 03:27:54,180
initial feeling was that I've
been at executions. And it was

3187
03:27:54,180 --> 03:27:57,930
kind of like the day before
you're executed if you cut up

3188
03:27:57,930 --> 03:28:00,690
the sheet and hang yourself so
you're in control of your own

3189
03:28:00,690 --> 03:28:01,320
destiny.

3190
03:28:01,440 --> 03:28:04,320
Lawyers for the players say they
are considering seeking criminal

3191
03:28:04,320 --> 03:28:07,800
contempt charges against an
iPhone and even suggested asking

3192
03:28:07,800 --> 03:28:11,280
for a federal civil rights
investigation into his actions.

3193
03:28:11,880 --> 03:28:20,040
Gosh, man, I mean, you've got a
guy running for reelection. I've

3194
03:28:20,040 --> 03:28:23,220
been I've been searching for
some kind of Soros connection it

3195
03:28:23,220 --> 03:28:29,670
just reeks of Soros and an A da
electro electoral campaign. I

3196
03:28:29,670 --> 03:28:32,250
mean, it's crazy. The parallel

3197
03:28:32,939 --> 03:28:37,379
right and he you heard what they
said even though he resigned No,

3198
03:28:37,379 --> 03:28:40,679
we want we want you to do we
want your job. We want silver

3199
03:28:40,829 --> 03:28:45,389
and it was just all gas no
brakes. It well it wasn't enough

3200
03:28:45,389 --> 03:28:47,879
and they even dragged him out
and made him apologize to the

3201
03:28:47,879 --> 03:28:57,149
boys as well. Mm hmm. Yeah, he
had to know a man now No, get me

3202
03:28:57,149 --> 03:29:00,179
wrong. He only did like a day in
jail. All the stuff he

3203
03:29:03,030 --> 03:29:06,360
did like literally one day it
literally was one day I think.

3204
03:29:06,540 --> 03:29:09,990
How does that work? How did you
How do you rig a case up against

3205
03:29:11,430 --> 03:29:15,360
I just something special about
this case? To the fact that you

3206
03:29:15,360 --> 03:29:21,000
only do a day in jail. I'm
nightfall has some friends hired

3207
03:29:21,300 --> 03:29:24,270
to pull that one off to me
because even he they couldn't

3208
03:29:24,270 --> 03:29:28,770
get him thrown in jail. Um, but
you see what they did they made

3209
03:29:28,770 --> 03:29:32,370
or they drag them out. I made
him apologize. You want to

3210
03:29:32,370 --> 03:29:33,750
listen to that apology right
quick? Yeah.

3211
03:29:33,749 --> 03:29:35,429
Do you have it? Oh, yeah, here.
Yeah, you got it.

3212
03:29:35,669 --> 03:29:39,449
For the last 16 months proven to
be a difficult and painful

3213
03:29:39,449 --> 03:29:43,199
journey for my family and for
myself. I know this has also

3214
03:29:43,199 --> 03:29:45,869
been a difficult and painful
journey for Reid Seligman,

3215
03:29:46,049 --> 03:29:50,159
called infinity and David Evans,
for their families, for Durham

3216
03:29:50,279 --> 03:29:55,259
for the state of North Carolina.
We all need to heal. I believe,

3217
03:29:55,259 --> 03:29:58,379
however, that this healing
process cannot truly began until

3218
03:29:58,379 --> 03:30:01,589
all proceedings involving this
matter. are concluded and

3219
03:30:01,589 --> 03:30:05,219
everyone is able to go forward.
I have resigned my position as

3220
03:30:05,219 --> 03:30:09,629
drums district attorney as a
part of this process. I have

3221
03:30:09,629 --> 03:30:12,809
read the report released by the
attorney general, including his

3222
03:30:12,809 --> 03:30:15,929
recitation of evidence that I
did not have evidence he

3223
03:30:15,929 --> 03:30:18,959
obtained from his own
investigation. I agree with the

3224
03:30:18,959 --> 03:30:21,929
attorney general statement that
there is no credible evidence

3225
03:30:22,139 --> 03:30:26,219
that Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnerty
or Mr. Evans, committed in

3226
03:30:26,219 --> 03:30:28,919
either crimes for which they
were indicted, or any other

3227
03:30:28,919 --> 03:30:32,069
crimes against Miss Michael,
during the party that occurred

3228
03:30:32,069 --> 03:30:37,409
on March 13 and 14th 2006, at
610, North Buchanan Boulevard

3229
03:30:37,409 --> 03:30:42,689
interim. Mr. Solomon, Mr.
Finnerty and Mr. Evans, were

3230
03:30:42,689 --> 03:30:45,179
entitled to the presumption of
innocence when they were under

3231
03:30:45,179 --> 03:30:48,749
indictment. Surely they are
entitled to more than that now,

3232
03:30:49,139 --> 03:30:52,289
as they go forward with the rest
of their lives. And that is what

3233
03:30:52,289 --> 03:30:55,379
the attorney general tried to
give them in his declaration

3234
03:30:55,379 --> 03:30:58,709
that they are innocent. I have
admitted on more than one

3235
03:30:58,709 --> 03:31:01,859
occasion that I have made
mistakes in the prosecution of

3236
03:31:01,859 --> 03:31:05,399
these cases. For that I
sincerely apologize to Mr.

3237
03:31:05,399 --> 03:31:11,369
Seligman. Mr. Finnerty Mr.
Evans, and to their families. It

3238
03:31:11,369 --> 03:31:13,739
is my hope that all of us can
learn from the mistakes for this

3239
03:31:13,739 --> 03:31:18,179
case, that all of us can begin
to move forward. It is my hope

3240
03:31:18,179 --> 03:31:20,819
that we can start this process
today. Thank you. Yeah,

3241
03:31:21,150 --> 03:31:23,220
yes, we want to move forward.

3242
03:31:23,790 --> 03:31:27,180
Keith the rain right. Here's the
rain.

3243
03:31:28,019 --> 03:31:35,009
It was D so he conspired with
the with the DNA lab technician

3244
03:31:35,009 --> 03:31:37,769
Yes. And not disclose all of the
information

3245
03:31:38,340 --> 03:31:52,470
and set up rigged up a a we call
it the lineups Oh yeah. Do a day

3246
03:31:52,470 --> 03:31:55,140
in jail. So this is what we
start talking about white

3247
03:31:55,140 --> 03:32:00,210
privilege. Yeah, this is what
we're talking about. Now. How is

3248
03:32:00,210 --> 03:32:03,210
it that you can do all of that
you want to spend a day in jail?

3249
03:32:04,380 --> 03:32:08,100
That That doesn't make any sense
to me. Oh,

3250
03:32:08,550 --> 03:32:14,220
no, but this Yeah, I mean, we
know the system is not right.

3251
03:32:14,910 --> 03:32:20,670
If it wasn't right i mean like i
said every this goes to show you

3252
03:32:20,670 --> 03:32:24,510
that even steel they wouldn't do
him all the way dirty like they

3253
03:32:24,510 --> 03:32:28,710
could they made they wet they
made him go out there and

3254
03:32:28,710 --> 03:32:32,070
apologize to the to the young
man that was involved right we

3255
03:32:32,070 --> 03:32:35,070
don't see that you're saying in
most cases when someone's wrong

3256
03:32:35,100 --> 03:32:38,100
I still like extend apology yet
to cow

3257
03:32:39,630 --> 03:32:41,010
Good luck with that.

3258
03:32:41,310 --> 03:32:44,460
Know what see that goes to show
you is different levels. Yeah,

3259
03:32:44,490 --> 03:32:46,980
it's different level you know,
when you mess with Smite the

3260
03:32:46,980 --> 03:32:49,770
wrong kids. You have this? You
know, yeah, you

3261
03:32:49,770 --> 03:32:52,800
gotta go out there. You gotta
you gotta kneel and apologize

3262
03:32:52,800 --> 03:32:55,110
and do all kinds of stuff. Well,
yeah, rightly so.

3263
03:32:55,620 --> 03:32:58,830
So these last three clips,
you're saying we play them and

3264
03:32:58,830 --> 03:33:02,430
we'll but this wraps up what
happened to the accuser, and

3265
03:33:02,430 --> 03:33:06,630
this is this is a true tragedy.
Um, she ended up writing a book,

3266
03:33:06,930 --> 03:33:10,080
and she's still in her mind
thinks that she's a victim.

3267
03:33:13,080 --> 03:33:15,960
who accused three Duplo cross
players of rape is still

3268
03:33:15,960 --> 03:33:19,350
insisting she was attacked. She
makes the claim in a new memoir,

3269
03:33:19,560 --> 03:33:22,590
Crystal Magnum appeared publicly
Thursday for the first time

3270
03:33:22,590 --> 03:33:25,440
since making the allegations
more than two years ago.

3271
03:33:25,860 --> 03:33:29,790
No one deserves to be sexually
assaulted, regardless of their

3272
03:33:29,790 --> 03:33:34,320
profession, or regardless of
what they have done. I'm a real

3273
03:33:34,320 --> 03:33:43,290
person. I have feelings. I'm not
just an exotic dancer. I'm not

3274
03:33:43,290 --> 03:33:47,700
just someone who tried to frame
someone who was innocent of

3275
03:33:47,700 --> 03:33:56,460
sexual assault. My only
intentions were for justice. And

3276
03:33:56,460 --> 03:33:58,260
I want to justice for myself.

3277
03:33:58,500 --> 03:34:01,260
She says in her book that she's
not looking forward to opening

3278
03:34:01,260 --> 03:34:04,890
old wounds, but that she had to
defend herself. Prosecutors

3279
03:34:04,890 --> 03:34:07,710
determined that her accusations
against the three players were

3280
03:34:07,710 --> 03:34:10,440
false. And her renewed
allegations are triggering a

3281
03:34:10,440 --> 03:34:13,260
threat of a lawsuit from the
family of one of the exonerated

3282
03:34:13,260 --> 03:34:17,070
players. The book is available
online. Magnum wouldn't answer

3283
03:34:17,070 --> 03:34:20,310
questions about details of the
case at the news conference,

3284
03:34:20,790 --> 03:34:22,770
John Belmont, the Associated
Press

3285
03:34:22,950 --> 03:34:24,450
went when did this book come
out?

3286
03:34:25,560 --> 03:34:31,620
Just came out, I think and oh,
no, I don't want to say okay, it

3287
03:34:31,620 --> 03:34:35,010
was yours. It was years after
the case. So I think some book

3288
03:34:35,010 --> 03:34:38,220
company probably saw Oh, this
would be a seller, for people

3289
03:34:38,220 --> 03:34:41,130
that still want to believe that
something nefarious went on that

3290
03:34:41,130 --> 03:34:45,960
night. So they I don't think
they looked at her best interest

3291
03:34:45,960 --> 03:34:48,450
in heart or had our best
interests at heart.

3292
03:34:50,130 --> 03:34:54,030
Well, here's, here's a couple
$1,000 advance and you'll never

3293
03:34:54,030 --> 03:34:56,310
hear from us again. That's how
that's how those book deals

3294
03:34:56,310 --> 03:34:56,730
work.

3295
03:34:57,269 --> 03:34:59,759
Yep. And then we have more in
the book deal if you want to

3296
03:34:59,759 --> 03:35:00,569
listen to During

3297
03:35:01,800 --> 03:35:04,950
the last time the public saw
crystal Mangum, she quietly

3298
03:35:04,950 --> 03:35:08,280
fingered three Duke lacrosse
players in this video tape photo

3299
03:35:08,280 --> 03:35:11,880
lineup. Two years later, she
walked back into the spotlight

3300
03:35:11,880 --> 03:35:13,350
to promote her new book.

3301
03:35:13,380 --> 03:35:18,930
The Duke lacrosse case will
never define who I am. I'm a

3302
03:35:18,930 --> 03:35:23,880
proud mother of three wonderful
children. I graduated from

3303
03:35:23,880 --> 03:35:32,790
college with honors. The last
dance for grace is a story about

3304
03:35:32,790 --> 03:35:33,510
my life.

3305
03:35:33,600 --> 03:35:36,990
The last dance for grace
according to Mangum is her story

3306
03:35:37,050 --> 03:35:40,560
a woman with a troubled past
whom by her own account, was

3307
03:35:40,560 --> 03:35:44,400
raped three times twice as a
teenager and then again as an

3308
03:35:44,400 --> 03:35:47,310
exotic dancer in March 2006.

3309
03:35:47,340 --> 03:35:51,390
Yes, I am. I am still claiming
that sexual assault happened

3310
03:35:51,450 --> 03:35:54,870
but mainly I'm stopped short of
commenting on former da Mike my

3311
03:35:54,870 --> 03:35:58,290
farm the prosecutor accused of
withholding DNA evidence in the

3312
03:35:58,290 --> 03:36:02,040
case that was later dismissed by
the state attorney general, do

3313
03:36:02,040 --> 03:36:05,880
you believe that we sell in
color generally and David Evans

3314
03:36:05,880 --> 03:36:06,450
were innocent?

3315
03:36:08,850 --> 03:36:13,590
I have no comments about the
details of the case. However, I

3316
03:36:13,590 --> 03:36:17,730
do talk about a little bit about
it in the last sense for grace.

3317
03:36:19,230 --> 03:36:20,550
But I have no comment.

3318
03:36:21,420 --> 03:36:25,620
And Mangum caution, according to
her team of advisers is partly

3319
03:36:25,620 --> 03:36:28,620
because of the threat of
potential lawsuits. Her side of

3320
03:36:28,620 --> 03:36:32,100
the story they say has been kept
from the public. They claim at

3321
03:36:32,100 --> 03:36:35,220
least two networks that failed
to air interviews with Mangum.

3322
03:36:35,430 --> 03:36:39,690
This photo of CNN anchor Soledad
O'Brien and Mangum was provided

3323
03:36:39,690 --> 03:36:41,070
to Eyewitness News.

3324
03:36:42,990 --> 03:36:44,010
Oh, man,

3325
03:36:44,520 --> 03:36:46,230
everybody uses a woman up.

3326
03:36:46,470 --> 03:36:50,160
Well, did you know how it ends
with her?

3327
03:36:50,520 --> 03:36:53,520
Do you want to share it with
people? Number 40? No,

3328
03:36:53,550 --> 03:36:57,270
okay, cuz I was just looking at
the page. I'm like, Oh, my

3329
03:36:57,270 --> 03:36:58,080
goodness.

3330
03:36:58,470 --> 03:37:01,410
Well, the woman who was at the
center of the false rape

3331
03:37:01,410 --> 03:37:04,050
allegations that were brought
against three Duke University

3332
03:37:04,050 --> 03:37:07,950
athletes may now be facing a
murder charge. Earlier this

3333
03:37:07,950 --> 03:37:11,310
month, the police arrested
crystal Magnum for stabbing her

3334
03:37:11,310 --> 03:37:17,010
boyfriend in the kitchen with a
knife. Now we've learned that

3335
03:37:17,010 --> 03:37:20,520
that victim has died. In that
case, prosecutors say that they

3336
03:37:20,520 --> 03:37:24,300
will likely charge Magnum with
murder. Back in 2006. As you may

3337
03:37:24,300 --> 03:37:27,120
remember, this story went on for
months and months, she accused

3338
03:37:27,120 --> 03:37:30,720
three Duke lacrosse players of
raping her and an Off Campus

3339
03:37:30,720 --> 03:37:34,230
Party. Those charges were later
shown to be false. And the

3340
03:37:34,230 --> 03:37:36,780
charges against those three men
were dropped.

3341
03:37:37,680 --> 03:37:46,590
And here's the kicker. She
argued in that particular charge

3342
03:37:46,590 --> 03:37:49,890
second degree murder after she
stabbed her boyfriend. And he

3343
03:37:49,890 --> 03:37:55,230
died. She argued she acted in
self defense. Fearing that he

3344
03:37:55,230 --> 03:37:59,010
would kill her. She got
sentenced 14 to 18 years.

3345
03:38:00,840 --> 03:38:01,770
true tragedy.

3346
03:38:02,190 --> 03:38:06,810
Yeah. And you think, you know,
did she really have the Did she

3347
03:38:06,810 --> 03:38:09,390
really have the defense that
money could have bought her for

3348
03:38:09,390 --> 03:38:15,000
a self defense defense? Right? I
know. It's exactly the point. I

3349
03:38:15,000 --> 03:38:17,250
got it. That's why I thought it
was a cool kicker.

3350
03:38:17,700 --> 03:38:21,390
And this goes to show you what
the black doctor were saying

3351
03:38:21,390 --> 03:38:25,530
earlier about mental health.
Nobody sought to get this woman

3352
03:38:25,530 --> 03:38:29,400
that help that she needed. And
she ended up just being a harm

3353
03:38:29,400 --> 03:38:33,360
to someone else and taking
someone else's life. They just

3354
03:38:33,360 --> 03:38:36,450
saw her as an object to for
political gain. I put up

3355
03:38:36,450 --> 03:38:42,810
football. Um, and they've just
dumped it to the side. And in,

3356
03:38:43,050 --> 03:38:44,910
she end up taking another
person's life.

3357
03:38:45,540 --> 03:38:49,410
So how do you wrap this up Mo?
What's our takeaway? What are we

3358
03:38:49,410 --> 03:38:51,810
going to do? I don't know if I
can sleep right now.

3359
03:38:52,860 --> 03:38:55,680
You know, what we have to do is
we had to pay attention to these

3360
03:38:55,680 --> 03:38:59,190
previous cases like this.
Because if we looked at this a

3361
03:38:59,190 --> 03:39:03,600
month ago, we probably could
have saw what was going to

3362
03:39:03,600 --> 03:39:07,980
happen in other cases. And
there's another case out there

3363
03:39:08,370 --> 03:39:14,910
lingering about a race hoax that
we need to pay attention to

3364
03:39:14,910 --> 03:39:17,430
because there's VAs involved,

3365
03:39:17,820 --> 03:39:20,100
mostly most most years smaller.

3366
03:39:20,370 --> 03:39:21,420
Yes.

3367
03:39:24,300 --> 03:39:28,290
This Yeah. Oh, it's good. It's
so deep. If anything really

3368
03:39:28,290 --> 03:39:31,020
comes to the surface, it's gonna
be dynamite. But

3369
03:39:31,110 --> 03:39:35,280
I'm just waiting. Just waiting.
We will talk about that case.

3370
03:39:35,280 --> 03:39:38,190
And I got to give people a quick
history that we talked about Moe

3371
03:39:38,190 --> 03:39:41,670
facts. This was more of a
historical episode about most

3372
03:39:41,670 --> 03:39:45,180
tracks. If there was no Jesse
Smollett, there might not be a

3373
03:39:45,180 --> 03:39:51,630
more fact. Ooh. Now, I'll tell
people later how that connects.

3374
03:39:52,620 --> 03:39:55,680
When I do the Jesse Smollett
case, but I'll leave it as a

3375
03:39:55,680 --> 03:39:58,200
cliffhanger for people. But yes,

3376
03:39:58,260 --> 03:40:01,560
well Moe, happy birthday man.
I'm glad I'm glad you did this

3377
03:40:01,560 --> 03:40:06,270
show it was personal it sounded
personal educated me much more

3378
03:40:06,270 --> 03:40:10,170
than you probably could have
expected just a lot of things as

3379
03:40:10,170 --> 03:40:14,730
I already explained and is a
very good background or and is

3380
03:40:14,730 --> 03:40:21,270
now has me laser focused on the
entire educational system being

3381
03:40:21,300 --> 03:40:23,760
kind of ground zero of all of
this stuff.

3382
03:40:24,689 --> 03:40:26,459
That's the takeaway right there.
That's

3383
03:40:26,490 --> 03:40:29,250
Ground Zero, man ground zero.

3384
03:40:29,519 --> 03:40:33,299
We thought it was the press. But
we see now from this case, the

3385
03:40:33,299 --> 03:40:39,029
press takes their signals from
academia and the alumni and it's

3386
03:40:39,029 --> 03:40:42,929
an it's a, it's there. Often
they are the alumnus. Yes.

3387
03:40:44,970 --> 03:40:48,360
Unbelievable. All right. I'm
energized now.

3388
03:40:49,349 --> 03:40:54,029
There we go. We have we have
someone that we have some people

3389
03:40:54,029 --> 03:40:58,019
to keep an eye on. But as I
always say, pay attention to

3390
03:40:58,019 --> 03:41:00,299
everything and the true reveal
itself.

3391
03:41:00,540 --> 03:41:04,500
And make sure that you check out
the last tapes which will be

3392
03:41:04,590 --> 03:41:07,440
next Wednesday and we back the
Wednesday after that with

3393
03:41:07,440 --> 03:41:11,880
another episode of MO facts with
Adam curry. Moe Have yourself a

3394
03:41:11,910 --> 03:41:15,810
great week and happy birthday
again brother. Thank you, Adam.

3395
03:41:15,810 --> 03:41:18,270
Have a good one. And if you'd
like to support the show, Mo

3396
03:41:18,270 --> 03:41:23,670
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3397
03:41:23,700 --> 03:41:29,220
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3398
03:41:29,760 --> 03:42:25,440
Talk to you soon everybody. Bye
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