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October 27 2021. This is episode number 69. I'm Adam curry coming
to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country and it's time once
again to get ready to spin the Wheel of topics with here from
Northern Virginia. Please everybody say hello to my friend
on the other end Mr. Moe facts.
I know Adam,
I am good mo Good to hear from you. I'm a dog owner.
I saw
and thank you for posting that picture of Rocco. Holy crap.
What a beautiful dog.
I appreciate that Rocco is a superstar.
Oh my goodness. Yes. He goes like everybody. Yeah,
everybody is
what we, when we were when we were young. We used to call that
a chick magnet.
Yes. Well, I mean, like he's, he's a he's a people magnet. Um,
everywhere we go is like people have Rocco doing like, Oh, I'm
doing fine. Thanks. Bye. Asking about my dog.
Yeah, exactly. Yes. Right. This were the first thing your wife
does when she comes home and says hi to the dog. You're
second now. It's it's very, very interesting how that works. All
right. Should we give it a whirl? Please. All right,
everybody time to spin it up here is that we'll have topics
where it stops. Nobody knows the only person who actually knows
his MO because he put another banger together for us the topic
of episode number 69 of Mo facts with Adam curry is
operation infection.
Oh, are we going to the third rail Mr. Moe?
We are not going to talk about COVID. Okay, it's not a COVID
show. Okay, attention. This is not a COVID show.
I'm making it very clear. This is not a COVID show we got what
this is, is We've danced around the 800 pound gorilla in the
room. We've talked about Tuskegee, not in detail. But we
talked about it. We've talked about even Henrietta Lacks,
mainly they were saying we went there on the potluck with the
800 pound gorilla in the room of Why think so called black
people, the community quote unquote, a community in big
quotes is AIDS.
Why? Why the community is hesitant you mean? Yes. Wow,
this is something white America has not heard.
AIDS, that way aid was handled the way people perceive aids to
be. And it's amazing. I haven't heard anybody talk about this.
Well, except for no agenda. Because I have definitely made
the comparison because it's the same damn people.
Well, it's not really just the were the people involved, we're
gonna definitely look at that. But just the psychological
baggage that came along with AIDS, and it still exists. I'm
with so called black people or quote unquote, black people.
Yes. It's, it's kind of like it's, it's for everybody else
has gone away. But it still lingers with us. Because the
amount of propaganda that went behind it, the amount of fear
that came with it. Um, but I've haven't heard, I just know,
we've talked about it once again, is Henrietta Lacks, you
know, the first. The first reflexive one we always talked
about, and you asked me about it was Teskey. You bring up siskey?
Yeah, that's just a
reflex. Yeah. Which is, which is exactly what you said. And I
totally accepted that. But then what I what I remember
distinctly is you saying certainly for black men, the
only thing the doctor gives me is the knife or the pill.
Correct. I'm just saying and when a talking point standpoint
of what some might back to the cornice Why don't you want to
take it a nice reflex party? Get him up off he was to ski it just
rolls off the tongue. And it kind of works. And of course, we
understand as you as you illustrate it and I relate to
you was, of course I mean, that's the only thing they do
have to offer is a pill or a knife. Um, so who wants bad
news? I was shocked to find out that you didn't go to the
doctor. Oh, no, that was
oh, no, no, no, I've I've heard that the last time I asked.
Well, no, that's not true. I had some weird thing which turned
out to be Believe it or not jacket. I'll just say it I've
never had in my life. I'm not a jock. That actually you know,
it's like a shit what's going on? Went to the emergency
clinic. That was the first time in at least. I'm gonna say 30
The five years that I've been to an actual doctor, I go once a
month, I go to the functional medicine voodoo guy. And and we
do, you know, we look at it as a different way of looking at it
more medicine man. And it works for me and I feel great. So and
a little bit of acupuncture.
And I'm not saying people don't go to the doctor. But of course
we go to like soon Of course, you have to make the appointment
to get the, the yearly and that kind of thing. But if you feel a
little painting arm, you know, saying like joints a little
loose. I'll work it out, you know, that kind of thing, right?
If you're seriously going Oh, please, please go. That's not
what we're saying here, Tom. But I want to address this because
hopefully at the end of the show, I can illustrate the
anxiety from that standpoint, which I've haven't heard anybody
talk about. And when I said that was I have you heard anybody say
AIDS. AIDS is the way that AIDS was handled the way the AIDS was
rolled out.
Well, I think you may be factually correct. We'll leave
it at that. Yes. All right.
So um, I guess what we need to do is get into the back, and
we're going to start with a look back 40 years always.
At first, the deadly intruder did not have a name,
a lifestyle of some male homosexuals has triggered an
epidemic of a rare form of cancer.
But it quickly developed a reputation
and the deaths kept coming and coming. The fear was palpable.
I was terrified of passing on HIV to someone else.
But in the years that followed,
pretty miraculous for me. So was
the break.
Because of them, I can live a healthy and happy life.
We sat down with four gay men from four different generations
all living with HIV. The oldest is Jessie myelin, who's still
haunted by the beginning of the epidemic.
People who because they had been diagnosed suddenly disappear.
And we all knew what that silence met.
Jessie was diagnosed in the 80s. After losing his partner, George
and so many others. It was hard to bridge the barrier. At the
time, many leaders were accused of ignoring the crisis because
it was deemed a gay disease. Present President Reagan didn't
give his first major speech on AIDS until 1987. Six years after
the first diagnosed case,
we must have a definition of aid
for Dr. Anthony Fauci. The epidemic was a turning. In 1984,
he became the nation's top infectious disease expert, the
same job he holds today.
It might be it might be I did a lot of research on AIDS. A lot
of a lot of friends of mine died, which is why I was very
interested in in the research.
Well, let me ask you this just so it might be the way I view
things. Because you had a lot of friends. As Is it as scary now,
as it was then when it first came about? Oh, public?
No. I mean, Eddie Murphy sums it up perfectly. That's how we
thought you put your dick in explodes. That that's yeah. Oh,
no, no, no, no, of course not. Well, so let me just say this a
couple of things about AIDS because there's a distinction
between aids which is auto immune deficiency syndrome,
which is means that your, your immune system is in a weakened
state and it can turn into a syndrome that's not the disease,
you don't catch AIDS. What was positive was that the human the
HIV, this virus got in and that's what was transmitted and
that gave you aids. What I what I personally believe just to set
a straight up front, is that yes, HIV, they finally prove
something that said, Okay, this is HIV. It took them a while to
be able to prove that very interesting. It's kind of the
same way with Coronavirus. But in my mind, it was the treatment
namely rejected cancer drug AZT, that's what was killing people,
people who went to different places, and there's many YouTube
document or documentaries on YouTube, you can see
particularly the clinic in in I think was Mexico. They had
different treatment and nobody died. And so to me, it was the
treatment was worse than cure.
Well, I'll say this, and maybe this is cultural. But I think in
certain southern cities like Atlanta, I think, some places in
Mississippi, Alabama, one out of every two gay men We'll catch
HIV,
though that was that was the that was the marketing at the
time.
No, now that's right now back now, yes,
yes, but I don't see how that message is getting through
because now they've come up with this product, which is prep PR
EP, right? And, and this is as some magical pill that you take.
And then you just even if you have HIV, you're not going to
die
as it's sold. But like I said, this is where the psychological
aspect comes in. That I mean, me coming of. I'm a baby, I was
born in 1980. So you gotta think, um, you get sexually
active in your teenage years. This is at like, the height of
the age scare.
Oh, no, you guys, you guys got a rough deal, man. I mean, we'd
already had some notches on our belt. By the time this thing
rolled around. Like, whoa.
And it's generational, right? Because like, my dad was the
only thing we had to worry about you go get a shot. And that was
the kind of laissez faire attitude about it? Well, now,
every time you get to have a sexual interaction, it could be
life or death.
Well, that's what they say. I mean, again, I have my different
opinion. But that's the marketing. Yeah,
I was saying the psychological, the psychological
baggage. I mean, I remember I remember I think Fauci even
saying, well, we're not sure you might be able to get it just
from touching someone or maybe from a doorknob. I mean, I heard
it all from it out of his mouth.
Well, my grandma was like, boy, take a pin out your mouth, you
get AIDS in the mouth. Yeah, it was. Yeah. That was the kind of
psychology and what I'm saying is that baggage, the way it was
rolled out, the way it was presented, and they kind of
like, Oh, everybody equally get it from any kind of sexual ad.
I'm saying, I'm not saying this is scientific. What I'm saying
is this was the market gene. That was the market. Yeah, this
is the marketing that received. And now, hopefully, as we go
through these clips, you can understand the reluctancy in
medicine and medicine, um, when you have this kind of thing that
just looms, I mean, every time you grab a second action, it
could be life or death. I mean, that's the kind of
that's that was the intent. It was there to scare. Absolutely.
Yeah. So what I want to do now like say we had to get into the,
the guy, I'm Fauci, and some background on him we clip three.
At the October 13 1988, presidential debate, Michael
Dukakis and George HW Bush were asked Who are the heroes
who are there in American life today, who are the ones that you
would point out to young Americans as figures who should
inspire this country?
I'm Escalante to be a Daris. Those people that took us back
into space again, in sports heroes,
Vice President Bush eventually responded with
I think Dr. Fauci probably never heard of you and heard of is a
very fine research top doctor at National Institutes of Health,
working hard doing something about research on this disease
of AIDS.
Today, Dr. Anthony s. Fauci is best known because of his
position in the Coronavirus Task Force, and for his many media
appearances in the US, he's one of the most recognizable faces
in the current crisis. How did this doctor go from his research
lab in Bethesda, Maryland to becoming one of the most visible
medical experts on the pandemic today?
Yes, indeed. I wonder how that happened.
So that's your inbox. And they explain explains how Fauci came
to be. But what I find interesting is, through all of
this, I didn't know who Dr. Fauci was until COVID. happen.
Yeah, you would think he would be arm arm with the so called
community with you have a still looming crisis? Like I say, I
mean, when you look at the numbers, I mean, me being a
super straight, black man, I'm kind of down on the numbers, but
for homosexual men and women, black women, this thing they
lead and all they're saying and both sides in their respective
categories, by me by a significant amount. You would
think he will have a presence or we will know you know who he is.
Well, again, for me, it was I saw him and Burks. Dr. Burks.
Both of them were very I mean, I saw Fauci at parties in
Hollywood. So you were young. And it was, I think there was,
you know, 2020 years in between but for the people who also
remember the scathing Village Voice, front page article at the
time in New York is calling Fauci out for murdering people.
I mean, In what moment we forget, we forget we get
distracted. There's other crap going on in our brains and
there's no one right recalling this absolutely right, it
behooves none of those guys to say, oh, remember when we did
the ACE thing so well,
but the thing is, it's not finished? No, no, of course not.
Well, of course not certain people that he is, I mean, if
you have the money, their health issues, the bottles, the the PIP
probe he was on premise give me Prem joke that you were talking
about. It's not a concern of yours within this is probably
gonna be something for the last tapes, is getting into the drill
commercials and how they're over represented by black women and
homosexual man. Yeah, when they sell these drugs? Uh huh. That's
a problem in itself.
I'll agree with that. Because we've noticed that too, cuz I
see that I always see the prep commercial.
And it communicates like no more eight. Exactly. Not true
indicates. Yeah. But that's not true. And when it it's, it's
like a paradox, because one, you are representing gay men and
black women in these commercials outside the distribution,
they're in the normal population. But then you say,
oh, there's no more aids. It's like, well, hold on. If there's
no more he's been wild. They've been represented that way.
Have good question.
You can't have a mess. If for people that are paying
attention, and like I said, this thing has been going for 40
years now. Yep. no cure. I mean, not even. Not even, you know,
the interest is not even there anymore. I mean, even Matt
Johnson, he's post aids.
Yeah, it also I have a hard time. What's difficult is I just
don't believe aids, if you catch catch AIDS, that you're gonna
die.
I want to say what I'm saying, as I'm rolling HIV. Right. But
raising the what I'm saying is, I was told, I think that also
what you make a really good point. So
why why is that representation there? If it's pretty much
solved? I mean, that. I got it, I got it. Because that's, that
is the general consensus, the way I see it as Oh, you know,
this prep. And so it's pretty much solved. We're post aids.
We're post aids, correct,
but we're not. And like I say, I'm me being a super straight,
black man. I have the least amount of risk, especially being
married. I mean, I'm locked in. So I don't I mean, it wouldn't
have
been, I need to ask you a question. Please. Do you know
anyone who died of AIDS?
I do in a very early age. I mean, this is
a recent or a long time ago.
I don't know.
No, I don't. Okay. So we
don't know anybody that had it. I mean, so to say that they died
from it. I didn't, I didn't. I didn't know that very many
people that had AIDS. I'm the one that stuck with me, was a
little girl that was assaulted by her stepfather and got very
young. I mean, that's why I kind of right is stuck with me,
because I'm talking about very high, single digit age. She was
a victim of a sex crime, basically caught it and died.
And that's kind of me, but you hear the horror stories, you
know, of people in church and that kind of thing, you know, of
people.
But I just want to make sure that you and I are on the same
wavelength here. I don't believe in the story.
Well, I mean, that's, that's not what I'm gonna say this. I
believe in the symptoms. We you see these guys suffering. I
mean, I watched a lot of videos. I wish no, no,
I agree. But my point is, those symptoms, I believe, came from
the treatment, not from the HIV, but they're
not using the same treatment anymore. Or are they? I mean,
you open up another?
There's no, I don't think there's because I don't think
anyone is getting sick like that anymore.
Everyone's or they are they are and that's what that's that's my
point. I mean by okay, just go Oh, you just go on YouTube. And
search. Black people aids. You like, serious symptoms?
Okay, hold on a second. Not now, you freaked me out was with a
whole nother thought. Okay, you really freed me up? Could it be
this thing is only being either functioning on black people or
directed to function on black people? Well,
that's a whole nother and we talked about what COVID And this
is not a COVID show. And we talked about COVID. You know,
the theory that there's more receptors and and those were
black people. It's like, what, what's this? Let's get into
it. Except Except in Africa for some reasons. Right. But let's
let's get into the clips. Okay. And I think I can say I like the
fact that we're on two totally different pages here. Oh,
because I think it's going to make for a very interesting
conversation. Yeah, good. Good. A number four. Dr. Fauci.
Thank you so much for taking the time. Dr. Anthony Fauci.
June 5 1981 weekly report by the Centers for Disease Control was
a notable one. He recorded five unusual cases of pneumonia.
These cases would become known as some of the earliest reports
of AIDS. The next year, Dr. Anthony Fauci wrote in early
paper about the disease which had increased to 290 recognized
cases and had become a public health problem of essentially
epidemic proportions. Fauci worked at the National Institute
of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Naya, heading up a lab
that studied immune system response Nyad conducts research
on diseases to help understand, treat and prevent the it falls
under the National Institutes of Health or NIH, the medical
research agency part of the Department of Health and Human
Services. In the early 80s, the NIH had many institutes with NIH
and and National Cancer Institute leading investigation
of the new virus in disease that would become known as HIV AIDS.
Fauci made that investigation the focus of his career,
he we're going to be listening to Dr. Anthony Fauci. He's going
to be talking about AIDS,
I'm working directly on on AIDS both clinically and from a basic
science standpoint, that really is one of the few of we're
actually one of the only subjects where you really have
to change your lecture every month.
Wow. You will practice there. Interesting. Interesting to hear
is difference in voice two. Completely different.
Are we starting to see a pattern here? But like I said, this is
this is not what this is not a COVID show. But I always want to
make it clear. I'm not talking about the science behind it. I'm
not talking about any event, I'm just saying message we're
talking about is the psychological baggage the sign
up if you don't want to use it, and that term of being fake but
the
no sale sign up is the correct word. It's a psychological
operation. Absolutely.
That steal it and I'm just fascinating. I'm going on. Yes.
active active up. No, because the reason why I'm saying you
you're saying have seems like very close gay friends and a
good good size and quantity. That they're not feeling the
same fear. This being still spot I mean, like now get tested, get
tested, the partner, you know, got to know your partner get
tested. It's it's a constant focus,
because, well, this is interesting, because yes, I
certainly have many gait, acquaintances and friends. And
for sure, there is a testing culture definitely is a testing
culture, but not after the fact. It's a pre it's like, oh, yeah,
I here's my test from last week or whatever. That's definitely
there. But the fear the way it was no nowhere near.
That's very interesting. And like I said, we're gonna we're
gonna get on down the list and
and by the way, that's that's only the white gays. I know. One
black gay, but he was HIV positive. When I met him, he
worked for me for many years, and he's still alive. And I
could ask him
when not to and then we factor in comorbidities, which nobody's
talking about that another
thing? Yes. So it's
like, um, I'm just long back that you know that. It's that
big a divide. I man, I'm just shot. But let's go and get to
work. So we're going back now to the the today's special with Joe
fryer. And this is looking back on as looking back as 40 years.
When there is resistance. Was it hard to get the resources you
needed? Well, in
the beginning, it was I mean, we were trying to convince people
that this was not something that was going to go away. This is
something that was going to get worse and worse.
To raise awareness. The AIDS Memorial Quilt was unveiled on
the national the quilt. Organizers read the names of
those who died. Some share their stories publicly, including
actor Rock Hudson, teen Ryan White, who tested positive after
a blood transfusion real world star Pedro Zamora basketball
legend Magic Johnson in 1995, a combo therapy known as the AIDS
cocktail was ushered in, followed by even better
medications offering hope. But there was no cure for the
stigma. Right now
there are millions of people with HIV are suffering from
social rejection because they and other people believe that
they're infectious and they're not
diagnosed in 2003. Bruce Richmond says he was terrified
of giving aids HIV to someone else.
So I didn't love I just I isolated myself I was depressed
at times I was I was suicidal.
But then he learned medication could reduce his viral load to
undetectable levels, meaning he couldn't transmit the virus. So
Bruce started an advocacy group and coined the phrase u equals u
undetectable, equals on transmittable message endorsed
by the CDC
gave me hope, and meant that I could be I could be intimate
people with HIV can live healthy lives and not pass on the virus
to anyone. And that's a revolution.
I'm so happy you're doing this show. Because this is the show
that I probably couldn't put together myself. Certainly not
from the angle that I've always looked at it. So your approach
is really refreshing way to do this. Because ultimately, and I
really love these comparisons, I think it's all a scam. I think
it was all a scam, you know, from day one. Where people
really dying. Yeah, Where'd it come from? It's all the same.
It's the same players. Same thing, as we're seeing now. And
it's and this has been repeated in the interim as well, multiple
times, it always comes down to we're gonna save you, and you'll
be able to live again.
And I always say, he starts with us. This was the test room, in
my mind.
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
This was the test run. You heard several things. One, in the
previous clip before this, when I was always changing is one of
the things that you know, we're just gonna always, you know, you
your studies are going to be changed in two or three weeks.
That kind of thing, that kind of attitude to the hat a quilt then
white flags now.
Totally, totally. So I'd love this. We'll go through all the
all the good comparisons is going to be good.
And then the other thing was what the guy say out of fear
isolated. Yeah, I felt like I couldn't, you know, couldn't be
around the stigma stigma. Yeah, but I have a totally different.
And you figure out the end were, what my stance is, I don't want
to ruin it for you are the producers out there, but let's
go ahead and get into number six.
Today about 38,000 Americans are still diagnosed each year, the
Andre more was 19. Remember staring at a window covered in
butterfly stick.
And that moment, all I could think was DMF. If I could be one
of those butterflies, and just fly away from here, then
everything's gonna be okay.
Ray of garage, he had a similar reaction. He was 27.
So I knew next to nothing about what it meant to be diagnosed
with HIV. It was a steep learning curve. And what did you
learn? Well, I learned that I'm not gonna die, and I'm alive and
well.
You think back to that moment with the butterfly?
What would you tell yourself in that moment,
you're gonna be okay, you're gonna be just as beautiful.
Today, all four of these men are undetectable. And all our
advocates sharing their stories to educate the public and fight
the stigma.
It's taken us 30 years of the AIDS crisis to teach the whole
world that our lives and our lungs are equal to everyone
else.
It blows my mind just how far we've come. What's possible?
What is possible now? My mind immediately says what isn't
possible.
That's the answer. What was this aired on today's show? This
was aired last year. I believe this good.
I love the music changes and everything as well.
So let me ask you this question. Why do we have so many new
cases? They made a point to express there's a bunch of new
cases 36,000 a year I think they said right we have this prep
drug.
Got the full seven out haven't taken it the
fools. No. Well, shouldn't Well, Premier
prep doesn't actually I think prep doesn't actually stop you
from getting AIDS.
That's what that's what they just said undetectable equals
and what did the guy say? undetectable equals m spreadable
or something like that.
Should we should go back on a second. Where was that?
Clip to at the end might have made me laugh 30 seconds.
Okay, hold on a second Smith
the virus. So Bruce started an advocacy group and just a little
bit.
I didn't love I just I isolated myself
back a little further. No, no, you okay? Yeah.
Because they and other people believe that they're infectious
and they're not dying.
2003 boosts Richmond says that's it. No, no, keep going. He was
terrified of giving HIV to someone else.
So I didn't love I just I isolated myself. I was depressed
at times. I was I was suicidal.
But then he learned under medication could reduce his
viral load to undetectable levels meaning he couldn't
transmit the virus. So Bruce started an advocacy group and
coined the phrase u equals u undetectable equals on
transmittable message.
Yeah got it right endorsed endorsed by the CDC
undetectable equals on transmittable so while we have a
new cases
because
should we be trying to flatten that curve?
Yeah. Yeah, we should lock them all up. Like everybody
go there. Should we make prep drugs available for free to help
this community, the LGBT community? Which this drug,
especially the the dark LGBT community? Um, why are these
drugs not available for free?
Well, I don't know that. So I don't know, the availability and
the and the cost. I don't know if they are covered under a
government or social health care programs.
Why came out walk in my safe way right now and get free prep
drugs. It's a flatten the curve. Have you tried? I know I'm being
facetious, but I'm just No, I I know what I can walk into
Safeway and get for free right now.
This is true.
I'm just saying. I mean, if we're being acted in good faith,
I guess I'm just asking that question.
Yeah, no, I agree. It's Truvada I think is the is a bunch of was
the Well, that's the main one, I guess was the 30. Oh, wow. Is it
generic by now?
It's I know it's over 30. And I know obviously in those
commercials for a long time, very long time. Yeah. So I'm
sure it is generic. I'm just saying it shouldn't even be
prescription. It should be just like
Halloween candy. Well, you
should be able to go pick it up off your shelf and over the
counter. If we can save lives, I mean, if that's what we're
doing. I'm being contrary in a way is saying that one and you
can't have it both ways. You can't have it that this is a
still linger epidemic, which it is because like I said, people
are catching it and dying from it. But at the same time the
thing that could solve this problem to make it on
transmittable is not being doled out with the same energy? Oh,
like crazy, because holy? Yeah,
a month supply of Truvada without insurance. Wanna want to
take a guess?
Ah, 350.
Try 2000. Oh, about that.
But But these people of color in the LGBT community be LGBT
community?
They can. So it's more than that. Yeah, they can just cough
it up or die as your point was not really
available? This is a very good question. Is it because who it
is?
Well, you want my answer. My answer is,
I mean, be rhetorical. Yeah. It may make it make sense is what
I'm saying.
All right. Well, let's let's look. Okay, so clearly, this has
to be about money. Otherwise, why would they be do why would
they be doing it this way? So the bigger question is, if if
they've traumatize black America, so called Black
America, but they can't afford it? Well, then what are they
doing? So who are they? Who are they advertising to? Is that's
your question. Yeah, it's a very good question, too, that maybe
they're just doing it just to keep fear going and probably
sell to the you know, they sell enough to the to the rich people
of all colors.
I can say I'm just saying that these two marginalized groups of
people,
should they they are being treated very unfairly in this
aids issue. I am in agreement with you according to the social
norms of today. Yes, it is an outrage. In fact, we need to
have posters. Yes. Yeah, no, of course. No, you make a
great point. Alright, so I think we stopped at six, let's get
into seven.
Another key breakthrough in recent years prep. It's a daily
pill that people who are HIV negative can take to prevent
getting the disease asked for an HIV AIDS vaccine. Well, that has
not happened yet. But Dr. Fauci tells me he is cautiously
optimistic that someday we will have a vaccine that is
successful 26 year old day, Andre more who you saw there
hopes that he is someday going to be part of an AIDS free
generation. And we want to give a big thank you to three
organizations that helped us with that story there. The AIDS
Healthcare Foundation, AIDS United and the prevention access
campaign.
It's incredible to see how far we've come in those decades. We
all remember those scenes in the 80s but there's still is a
stigma. Isn't that what you learned?
Yeah, there is. And it's actually kind of amazing,
especially with young people, which is surprising. So a recent
survey of HIV negative Millennials found that nearly a
third of them say they avoid hugging, talking to or even
being friends with someone with HIV. People living with HIV
often report being hesitant still to openly share their
status because they fear losing friends or family or they even
fear abuse, whether it's physical, emotional, or mental
disability Porter, just last
week, just just announced
a sign of bravery even now, it's needed now, which is more than
before,
and he waited 14 years waited till his mother so that stigma
is still there.
Thank you, Joe.
Thank you, Joe. I didn't know that about Billy Porter.
A man is openly wear a dress. Is a foot even afraid of the
stigma. Sure, and I'm gonna say I'm saying that. I mean, however
you see it, I mean, he's willness you know, present
himself as he is with that aspect of his life. But his his
status? No. Does he?
Let me see Billy Porter? Does he do any commercials?
I'm not I haven't seen him in any commercials. I'm not can
recall. But it's a formula to those commercials is. Oh, black
gay. Oh, he's
no whole bunch of them.
Okay, it's two black gay guys. One brown gay guy, a white guy,
a transgender person of any color. And then a couple black
women.
You're so right. Here December 2019. Johnson and Johnson TV
commercial, HIV exploratory vaccine. Oh, he says he's
shilling for Big Pharma.
Now he's pushing the VAX? Yes, we're getting this this we've
talked about prepping was not readily available to the point
where it shouldn't be over the counter. I would think, um,
where like I said, I can walk in today. I can get something for
free. Yeah. If if society decides that's what we need to
do, but we have these people that don't have two grand that
can't afford these drugs, and they're left to die waste away.
No means nothing's changing. It's like the tone of this whole
thing. They're like this doesn't. Why does it take no
facts and Adam curry to have this conversation? When these
people are still wasting away? Like it's the 80s. Nothing's
changed in 40 years for certain people.
Correct? Certainly, the fear has not gone away. There's all this
Oh, no two generations to generations that have been
burdened with this. Yes. You want to hear about Billy Porter
in the Johnson and Johnson commercial, please. Let's see
what he was doing. Back in the day here. This is 2019.
All right, sitting down.
So listen. I first started working with Johnson and Johnson
because of their work in HIV. They've been at it for over 30
years, developing medicine that allows people to live normal
lives with HIV, educating people about how to protect themselves
from HIV, training doctors and nurses raising public awareness.
And now and now they are working to develop an exploratory
vaccine that could one day prevent HIV altogether. After
successful trials in Africa, clinical trials are about to
start
Africa
you go Johnson and Johnson, you go and you thought they were
just today because
she effective. Very effective.
I know they do sell some poisonous powder allegedly.
Yeah.
That's hilarious. That's so true.
It's amazing, like what people would do with this vaccine. So
now we got to get into that where they were over the time.
This next clip comes for 2007 talking about a vaccine. But
it's amazing what was this new technology to help these
marginalized communities.
Welcome to the New England Journal of Medicine. I'm Dr.
Terry Schrader. With me today is Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of
the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
at the National Institutes of Health. Dr. Fauci has written a
prospective article entitled an HIV vaccine challenges and
prospects to be published in the August 28 2008 issue of the New
England Journal of Medicine. Welcome, Dr. Fauci.
Thank you. Good to be here.
First of all, why has the 30 year search for an AIDS vaccine
been so unsuccessful?
Well, probably the fundamental reason is that HIV is really
quite different from any other virus for which We have
successfully developed a vaccine. And the difference lies
in the fact that the body in its natural response to natural
infection does not make an adequate or an appropriate
immune response to do
not stop right there virtually ever. I just caught something.
He said natural infection.
Oh, let me roll that back home.
I heard that clip 10 times I never heard that before.
So listen again.
So why has the 30 year search for an AIDS? unsuccessful?
Well, probably the fundamental reason is that HIV is really
quite different from any other virus for which we have
successfully developed the vaccine. And the difference lies
in the fact that the body in its natural response to natural
infection does not make an adequate or inappropriate immune
response to do with virtually every other exposure to other
viruses. Do
I interesting, he put that in there?
What's the unnatural? I mean, if you say natural, then what's
unnatural infection?
Injection?
Maybe I'm just saying I just never heard that good question.
Yeah.
Or, or, or it could mean natural as in some pathogen or virus
that is natural and not jacked up in a lab,
that you're here either. I just want to point out that he said
that, yeah, he did.
Take some examples, smallpox, measles, polio, all of those
viruses can kill, they can mean they can make people seriously
ill. But at the end of the day, the body's immune system
ultimately clears the virus from the body, eradicated completely,
and allows the body to have protection against subsequent
challenge. So nature has already done the experiment to tell us
that not only is a vaccine feasible, the vaccine is likely
because we know the immune response is capable of doing
that. The problem with HIV is that literally in an
unprecedented way, HIV does not elicit a protective immune
response in the body. And in fact, of the 10s of millions of
people who've been infected. With HIV. There's not a single
documented case of someone with established infection, who's
actually eradicated the virus from the body. And the vast,
vast overwhelming majority of people have progressive disease,
despite an immune response to the virus. So we have to do
something that others who do vaccines for other viruses don't
have to do we have to do better than nature. We have to do
better than natural infection.
Man, this guy's had a good rap for a long time. We got to do
better than natural infection.
You got to do better than nature, which, to my ears that
we got to do better than God. Sure. Just just as a believer.
That's what I hear in my what? Yeah, that's natural infection.
I don't understand because even if you presented a vaccine to
somebody, as is like normal vaccines, flu, whatever, that's
still the natural infection. I don't know what an unnatural
infection is that troubles me I mean, like, well, I've never
heard that before. And I'm still processing let's
see if there's, let's see if there's a an entry anywhere.
That natural infection versus vaccination, okay, natural
infection is the opposite, or is the No, that's not the word say,
it's just from science. Or this from Rockefeller, these are the
guys that make the shit up. So they might as well be a defining
Rockefeller self. This is natural infection versus
vaccination. So if you are vaccinated, you have been
infected in a non natural way. So vaccines,
listen to that clip. I mean, not not now,
I understand what you're saying.
I understand what he's saying. Because he's saying, because he
then goes on to say, in natural affection, and he goes,
specifies like vaccination, like is in line with natural
affection. But he said, if you get if you give him a vaccine
and a natural affection, if you give them a vaccine overnight,
this is what I'm telling you. I'm hurt. And I'm not saying
this what he meant, but to my ears is like, if you give them a
vaccine of a natural infection, the immune system could kick in.
He didn't say him like they were two conflicting or
I think I think it's worth listening again. Let's listen.
Listen again. Critically, the two of us Yeah, this is this is
what Hey, it's a podcast. If people are bored, they can fast
forward two minutes you'll we'll be right back with you.
Welcome to the New England Journal of Medicine. I'm Dr.
Terry Schrader. With me today is Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of
the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious of
Health. Dr. Fauci has written a perspective article entitled an
HIV vaccine challenges and prospects. It's about the
vaccine list in the August 28 2008 issue of the New England
Journal of Medicine. Welcome, Dr. Fauci.
Thank you Good to be here.
And maybe a reminder for ourselves at the time of this
interview, there was no mRNA. Boo. No, it's
just straight up. Yeah, so
that means that the the way vaccine vaccines work is
attenuated virus a dead virus deactivated virus in the
vaccine. That's how it was done.
First of all, why has the 30 year search for an AIDS vaccine
been so unsuccessful?
Well, probably the fundamental reason is that HIV is really
quite different from any other virus for which we have
successfully developed a vaccine. And the difference lies
in the fact that the body in its natural response to natural
infection does not make an adequate or an appropriate
immune response to do what virtually every other exposure
to other viruses do.
Alright, so he's saying that everybody that there's 10s of
millions of people who have this virus, but these 10s of millions
of people who have this virus, their body doesn't react to it
like it's a hostile intruder? Correct. Interesting, okay.
And take some examples, smallpox, measles, polio, all of
those viruses can kill, they can mean they can make people
seriously ill. But at the end of the day, the body's immune
system ultimately clears the virus from the body, eradicated
completely, and allows the body to have protection against
subsequent challenge. So nature has already done the experiment
to tell us that not only is a vaccine feasible, the vaccine is
likely because we know the immune response is capable of
doing that the problem with HIV is that literally in an
unprecedented way, HIV does not elicit a protective immune
response in the body. And in fact, of the 10s of millions of
people who have been infected with HIV. There's not a single
documented case of someone with established infection, who's
actually eradicated the virus from the body. And the vast,
vast overwhelming majority of people have progressive disease,
despite an immune response to the virus. So we have to do
something that
Oh, wow, this is really good. So what he this is an Do you have
anything about PCR coming up? No, because the PCR test was
developed around the same time as the AIDS crisis, and it was
being used as a test. And this is where Kary Mullis, the
inventor of PCR, said, This is not a this you can not use this
as a test for HIV, because everyone has HIV. If you
magnified enough, we've talked about the cycles and how many
times it's worth more. More. Yeah. So yeah, so it's, it's
mind boggling. This is a very important clip, actually, it's
mind boggling, because here he saying, oh, you know, like 10s
of millions of people have it. And no one's ever gotten rid of
it. That's you could you can replace that with 10s of
millions of people have Kroners SARS Cove too, if you do a PCR
test, just like HIV, but then they're gonna get rid of it now,
because no one can get rid of everything. So he, this clip, to
me, is him saying, You know what, there's all these people
who have it, and some people go on to be sick, but no one else
does.
This is very interesting. KATED the virus from the body. And the
vast, vast, overwhelming majority of people have
progressive disease, despite an immune response to the virus. So
we have to do something. Right.
Now he's saying something different. Now he's saying,
let's go back, I'm missing something
protective immune response in the body, and in fact, of the
10s of millions of people have been infected. With HIV. There's
not a single documented case of someone with established
infection, who's actually eradicated the virus from the
body. And the vast, vast overwhelming majority of people
have progressive disease, despite an immune response to
the virus. So we have to do something that others who do
vaccines for other viruses don't have to do we have to do better
saying that he's saying something contradictory.
That's why I told you, I don't want to say we can just leave
it Yeah, we will. Because that that was some mumbo jumbo right
there. Do the two
things he's saying conflict. Yeah. What is the word? I'm
sorry? Yeah. Yeah, no,
I'm gonna say it. The reason why I'm saying that is, it's kind of
like the main point of it is out of all of these viruses. Here
comes something that's so surgical, no pun intended. The
air attacks the very system that should detect. Yep. Hi, bye bye.
But if you call it, you say it's not natural. Those are two or
two takeaways I'm taking from it. So what is it, and now we're
going to get more to the efficacy of the vaccine that
they've tried for HIV and number nine.
For the first time a vaccine has tested positive in preventing
HIV infections. That's according to a US funded study involving
more than 16,000 volunteers in Thailand. The combination
vaccine prevented interactions in about 30% of the people on
the trial as compared to those on a placebo. The combination
vaccine includes Aloe vac made by Sanofi Ventus and aids back
made by Vax Gen. A neither vaccine has independently
stopped the HIV virus in previous studies. AIDS experts
say the results could transform future research and spur
scientists to use the process that created this vaccine to
create even better ones.
Well, Matt, the National Institute of Allergy and
Infectious Disease funded the breakthrough HIV vaccine studies
director, Dr. Anthony Fauci is the top federal official
responsible for AIDS research. He joins us right now. Dr. Fauci
Great to have you with us. Give us some perspective. We've been
working on research for AIDS for many, many years. I mean, how
significant is this? Well, it's
a very important finding in the sense that it's open doors now
that were really closed. And let me explain. We have been
attempting to get an effective vaccine for literally over two
decades, and everything that has been tried has been complete
failure, really no signal of any kind of even slight efficacy,
the fact that we have in this large trial involving 60,000
people, a 31.2%. efficacy, it's a modest efficacy, it's not
something that's primetime, as it were.
Modest. 2% is modest,
modest, is not even in the middle man, listen, this below
is below.
Okay, and they're doing their testing in Thailand, and just
just just a little bit of Africa, Thailand. Yeah. And it's
a little background, this was two years after the sit down
with the New England Journal of Medicine. So this is 2009. Okay.
So if you want to go and jump into part two, we can.
It's a modest efficacy, it's not something that's prime time as
it were. But it's going to allow us to pursue what the potential
mechanism of that protection is, because now we have a foundation
upon which to ask the questions that will hopefully allow us to
get efficacy of vaccines much higher than 30 ish percent up to
6070, or 80%, where we want to be. So although this is a very
important finding, it needs to be taken in context and in
perspective, that it's more of a roadway to a lot of work that
needs to be done as opposed to an end in and of itself.
So I mean, the question then is, what's the next step here? I
mean, do you work more with these vaccines? Do you need a
new trial? Maybe a more controlled study? Do you work on
new vaccines that come from these vaccines? Where do you see
the next steps? Dr. Fauci?
Now, that's, that's a very good question. The next step is to
try and figure out what we call the correlate of immunity. Go
back and look at the samples we've collected, draw bloods
from the people who were in the trial, and try and figure out if
there's a clue as to what particular laboratory parameter
that you could follow, that would be an indication that it
correlated with this protection. And once you get that, then you
start to design vaccines with some similarity and some
differences that are aimed at inducing that particular
parameter that you've linked to protection because up to now, we
don't have any idea of what of many, many immunological or
laboratory phenomenon, namely, the body's ability to respond to
a virus. We don't know what particular component of that
would be associated with protection against infection. We
didn't even know if it existed until recently, because we've
never had a positive effect like this.
This is 2008 2009 You said 2009? Yeah, they were already doing
mRNA with this at this point. I think he's already let letting
that slip through.
I wanted that didn't want to leave you there. But 2007 He was
for certain we don't even know what to do. And then now it's
like, oh, we have this new technology. Yeah. And the
Bloomberg brings you on and they're trying to pry you for
financial information. This is a financial This is a financial
me, Bloomberg. Oh, he
was on Bloomberg. Yes. Oh, yeah. Well, of course, this is setting
okay. We haven't heard a name yet. Who's going to be making it
who are the licensees who's got patents?
Yeah, like so what which way we go now back to buy out? If you
can just listen to the tone the question, they're like trying to
pry him Playa applying for information. Yeah.
They want to know if money is going to flow. That's what they
want to know. Uh huh.
So I guess I didn't want to use mRNA but I'm thinking the same
thing. Yeah. That that big of a change in tone, you you have
zero efficacy, and you're shooting for 70. Like you said
the target was 60 or 70%, up to 80%. In that shorter period of
time, I found that very interesting, but when going to
get the number gets the number three.
Alright, so, Dr. Fauci, you've mentioned, you've been working
on this, or everyone's been working on this for a couple of
decades, you mentioned this is the foundation. So how many more
years? Are we talking potentially, before there is the
next significant step here?
Well, you know, to be honest with you, I can't tell you that
it's certainly going to be measured in years. I mean, some
people when they hear an announcement like this, they
think, Well, next year, we're going to wind up having a
vaccine. That's not only extraordinarily unlikely, it's
it's virtually impossible that that's going to happen. It's
going to be measured in years. I can't tell you how many years
but if we had this conversation, six months ago, when you asked
me that, I would say, I can't even tell you if we're even ever
going to get a vaccine. Now at least I have some cautious
optimism that we're on the right path, but I can't put a number
for you about how many years are there
other steps that are more likely to prevent prevent a stronger
age breakout? I mean, are some people, for example, genetically
predisposed to resist the AIDS virus?
Yeah, there are a group of people but they are such a
relatively small fraction of the population, there is a genetic
defect that doesn't make anybody sick. But it doesn't allow the
virus to infect you. It's seen in 1% of the Caucasian
population and in virtually 0%, of African population. So it's
not something that is broadly applicant losers to the
population, the best thing to do is behavioral things, you know,
safe sex, use a condom, wash your hands, these kinds of
things. We're gonna mention for a very long time,
six feet socially distance during sex. Man, Mo, this is
this. I'm so I gotta say it. I'm so happy to doing this. This
isn't not not an easy show to put together.
So who's the 1%?
Ah, that's the rich white people, brother. No, that's
the lizard people.
It doesn't work on the lizard people. Exactly. Thank you very
much. All right. I identify with that remark. Very good. Yeah. I
love that. Oh, like, oh, African American.
But 1% of Caucasian people. Yeah. are appearing Caucasian
people,
he should have slipped in a little Boulais. That was really
that was just rude.
That I'm not saying like, we're not we how we deliver people is
like, does it not affect their, their species now?
Anyone which will who doesn't sweat,
which will work perfectly. If we all know all roads lead to the
population? So they're sitting back like, hey, what percent of
us is just gonna be sitting around? Yeah, put this thing out
here. Now let me just go somewhere for a minute. This
just says we got here. If you want to get rid of have a
controlled demolition of society, and you want to get rid
of the undesirables at the time being homosexuals, people of
color. If you're if I'm that 1% That couldn't get in fact, this
I am. I am the loser man. As is perfect. It's like we can't
catch it. It won't harm you know, any people that we desire
to stay around. Um,
well, you know, this, roll it out. This is exactly what, and
it's kind of interesting in context of today. This is
exactly how gay men felt of all colors. But all game all gay men
felt that they were being targeted. And Fauci if this was
in the press this was this was it mainstream Fauci is killing
gay men to depopulate
Well, this is Wargaming out right you know, we know we're
safe and heterosexual white people are pretty much be safe
because that are adhering to the Judeo Christian stay inside your
marriage. So they're good.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. You mean the way the way they thought or the or
just the way the loser Peabody? I'm sorry, gotcha. Yes, I'm
thinking.
I'm thinking,
I see the tongue.
Alright. Um, it won't spill over. And if it does spill over
aravis theory, their participant in buggery, or we feel
undesirable. Today need to go to Yeah, I'm just saying, yeah.
Look, the the slogan age is crowd control existed a long
time ago. This was definitely definitely a thought at the
time. Yeah, of course. But I didn't know about this 1% That's
kind of cool. To lizards. Good.
Alright, so I'm just this is a little snippet. Just 30 seconds.
Just to hear you hear the financial aspect of 3.5
Dr. Fauci what does this do though, for the drug companies
around the world we had Sanofi adventus and I believe it was
Vax Jen who had the two vaccinations that were brought
together in this recent development, does it harness
everyone involved because of this kind of big step forward?
You know, I can't speak for pharmaceutical companies, I'm
sorry that they're gonna make their decisions, their business
decisions based on what they do internally.
Do you think they'll be more interested though with this
development?
Well, then that's a no brainer. Of course, they're gonna be more
interested in it if you have a successful product. Alright,
we're gonna leave it there. Dr. Fatty thanks so much, Dr. Fauci,
Director of the National Institute of Allergy and
Infectious Disease.
Very interesting collaboration there just like Pfizer bio in
tech.
They were pressing them hard for like, this the stock like give
us
Yes, and this is what's so crazy. So if you look at the
players in the, in the COVID, vaccinations, the like, Maderna,
that that wasn't even it was it barely accompany and was just
one big failed glob of crap. And then everyone piled in, everyone
was buying shares, and you know, there's stock has gone up, like
$300 or something. It's crazy.
You know, and I would like to see who those smaller companies
that were listed in that part. were tied to right, because
they're not that kind of probably like the Madonna of
their time. Oh, sure. Like, you know, these little outlets,
yeah, like bio
and tech Maderna. You know, those are much smaller. And then
of course, you have Pfizer, which is, which is the big,
they've got the sales, they've got the road, they got the
Rolodex, they got the the sales channel.
Well, now we're gonna fast forward to present day and this
is Fauci. He was brought on in MSNBC to talk about the
possibilities of an AIDS vaccine now that we've seen with
COVID-19,
let me ask you about actually the point about developing a
vaccine 40 years into your work on HIV and AIDS. Does the
development process and the success with the COVID vaccines
give us? Should that give us any new hope for an HIV vaccine?
Absolutely, absolutely. And that's a really good question.
Because the technologies that were developed the mRNA
technology, the success of using a very elegant techniques, have
the conformational correct form of the image in in the right
form to engage the immune system to optimally make a good
response. You know, it was back and forth, Rachel, what was done
with HIV, early on the unsuccessful with a vaccine went
a long way to make success for the COVID-19 vaccines. And the
technologies that have now been perfected, particularly the mRNA
technology, and other vaccine platforms that were perfected,
and used in COVID-19, I believe strongly will go back and be
able to really forward and advance the HIV effort. In fact,
there are scientists right now, even as we speak, that are using
what the COVID-19 effort has inspired us to do to start
working on that for HIV. So it's just science at its best, you
know, contributions back and forth, with the fundamental core
of it being the investment that one makes in basic biomedical
research, which is really the resounding success story of the
scientific approach to COVID-19 vaccines, and it has resulted in
already saving millions of lives.
Oh, saving lives. Oh, my goodness. Okay. Just something
just struck me. Earlier, we heard in the clip that the
efficacy of what you and I are presuming is early mRNA.
Technology was 37%. And that was so if you look at the now not
the absolute, you know, relative, if you look at what
they're touting his efficacy, you know, I started off it at
9998 97. Do you know where it is today? Admittedly, it's around
37%. This is very interesting. This is very interesting. Yes,
this is fantastic. This is a find.
But also, my question is if you've been sitting on this
technology, and you've been the number one age guy for 40 years,
and it's clear that you've had this breakthrough in 2009 Wow,
we're just not hearing about getting getting around to AIDS
vaccine. That should have been the leader.
Don't Yeah,
I think I'm just I'm just saying like from saving lives aspect,
I'm just acting in good faith. Oh, and we got famous killing
people. And we're still still spreading. And this has been my
life's purpose is to defeat to defeat this monster. Call aids.
Why didn't you kick it off to them first.
Wasn't ready, man. Oh, it wasn't
like this like me and I'm gonna give you an analogy. That's like
a, you lose your wallet. And then I don't say anything and
then you ask, Hey, have you seen my wallet? And I'm like, yeah,
it's right here. Yeah. I had to hold down while the whole damn
time. Yeah, that's pretty much it. It's uh, that's not
troubling the people shady.
Yeah, this whole this whole show is troubling to people. Mo.
You just sitting here sitting on the answer is not gonna He's not
gonna fork it over.
Yeah. Till he was waiting a lot. He was waiting for him. He was
waiting for a bigger market. Come on the whole world versus a
bunch of gays. Come on. Wow.
Almost say I'm asked this. Good to go on the other side of
sinister side of it and remind people this is not a cover show.
It couldn't be that your big fear of having multiple gay
people falling dead? is bad.
Say that, again.
Having multiple people gay people are dead from your HIV
vaccine.
Oh, you know, that would be very bad. Yes. Oh, okay. Hold on.
Stop. I'm with you. Okay, so he let's roll. Let's game it out
again, shall we? Okay, sure. So we know that the real moneymaker
long term, because it won't be necessarily a public health
crisis like COVID is things like the UN AIDS vaccine. Why?
Because, you know, everyone who wants to have sex is gonna is
gonna want to have this vaccine. And 60 is completely voluntary.
You don't have to mandate it, everyone will be like, Hey, man,
I might as well do it. So what they're doing now is they're at
now they're actually perfecting it with this massive scale, and
a whole bunch of people where we have the media and politicians
and a lot of stakeholders, covering up the adverse events,
the deaths, all this stuff, and I should say it and distracting
while they are literally tweaking this, they're tweaking
this stuff. And and it's for longer term goals, like aids
like cancer, etc, etc. This so now,
I'm sorry, you can't start with because you can't start with a
no, no,
you're no, no, you're absolutely right. Because if people died of
AIDS, you killing gay people, you can't do that. But if it's
just a whole bunch of suckers, you know, who don't really hear
about and then wherever, just poor people, rich people, you
know, once in a while we get a celebrity. Don't worry, we'll
cover that up. You know, that was a complication from COVID
wasn't a vaccine or anything like that. What I
learned from the first time of
that, yeah, but so Fauci Yeah, he's at now, so it's probably
only got a couple more years, so time to get this Gone With the
aid stuff, too.
Yeah, so I just want to know, that's really good. Yeah, yep.
Yep, yep. Yep. So now we're going back to the Vox segment,
Dr. Fauci explain three.
She was named director of Nyad. In 1984. In the then director of
Health and Human Services, highlighted Fauci his background
in immunology and infectious diseases as a main reason for
his appointment.
A major effort was directed at determining if a variant of this
virus could actually cause depletion of lymphocytes, or
acquired immunodeficiency syndrome. And as it turned out,
a variant of that virus in fact, causing
the syndrome Joshi is leading early research helped define
Nyad as the central NIH institute for AIDS, he made it a
point to be the person communicating key findings to
the public in media.
The scientific data is overwhelming that in fact, AIDS
cannot be transmitted by casual contact,
but it was a later political test that shows how Fauci
navigated the AIDS crisis and secured his career. In summer of
1988, playwright Larry Kramer wrote an open letter to Anthony
Fauci calling him an incompetent idiot and a murderer. His
opinion was broadly reflective of activists, most notably the
organization Kramer inspired the AIDS coalition to unleash power
or act. In 1986, Fauci had reinforced his position as the
leading scientist for the Federal aids effort, he created
a new division to focus on the disease and earned other
significant NIH posts. But progress was slow, especially
for diseases as deadly as AIDS where patients died on average
15 months after diagnosis.
So this goes to speak, speak about previously you can't have
the dead bodies in the street and he caught a lot of color
caught a lot of flack from it. From Larry Kramer so
yeah, a lot of this is coming back now. Okay. Yeah.
A lot a lot of parallels and one thing he did say he used the
word variant there's well yeah, remember this is not a COVID
show. And it's not and he said 19 That was 1984 I think he was
making that speech that they segment it. I saw this with a
dress. I saw it but I didn't clip anything from it because
it's very tedious to follow through but yet he used the word
so is the other HIV is out here. I know there was a like I said,
urban legend. Just go about what we got to talk about was talking
to tie up here. Not the medicine ball. I
never had never heard of this. Just another good. I never heard
of a an HIV variant.
I did. You did? Yes. Super aids.
Yeah, okay. I recall super aids. Yeah. But where'd it go?
Superman got it and took it away. I don't know.
Where did it come into that? It's probably the publication's
reread, but a lot of the like hip hop and hip hop had a lot to
do with AIDS as well. And just for I'm gonna show you how
powerful the AIDS Initiative was. The firt the intro song was
a song by old dirty bastard. Yep. It's called Shimmy Shimmy.
Ah, and the hook goes, Ooh, baby. I like it. Raul. He was
and they made him change that. Oh, really? Actually record a
PSA.
Oh, really? Yes. Cheese. So that that must have been at the
height of because it means to the money. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Even even earlier, even earlier that the money that was that was
being spent on. On aids advocacy was an real mo I've been i i
Remember with someone else's money. I bought Michael
Jackson's fedora hat. Which I think I think it was like three
and a half $1,000 as it some benefits, which I then gave away
of course, as a as some radio promotion. But the point was,
that was just me. There was a lot of money flowing. It was
crazy.
And it still is because Getting tested is a huge thing. You know
your status right now I'm
just talking about marketing and Hollywood and that that was
unparalleled at the time to concerts, Elton John.
So I guess we won't get to part four explained.
Fauci, Nyad. Were responsible for starting trials for new
drugs, which the FDA required for approval. In June 1986 Nyad
created a network of clinical trials centers around the
country, though they were criticized as ineffective.
Activists argued that the NIH, the FDA, and leadership up to
prison Reagan had failed to take the crisis seriously. This photo
from an October 1988 protest shows the key complaints at the
time, the FDA is lengthy drug approvals required strict
scientific clinical trials. It was textbook science, but the
disease killed at a faster pace than the FDA is process. If you
entered a trial, a certain percentage of patients got the
drug and a certain percentage got a placebo. This helped test
if the drugs were safe, and if they really worked, that was
important because many AIDS drugs didn't pan out. But with
AIDS getting a placebo was a death sentence. And that meant
fewer volunteers for clinical trials. The epidemic needed a
radical approach, but experimental approaches like
aerosolized pentamidine weren't being approved. The drug helped
treat one of the most common infections caused by AIDS yet
trials had been delayed by Nyan which Fauci blamed on
insufficient staff. Under Pressure, he acknowledged the
approval problem in 1988. He testified in Congress that he
would go for what is available on the street if he were a
patient, a blunt rebuke to FDA policy keeping these new
approaches that have reached
that point, we got the buyers clubs
called go to what's available on the street, huh? Wow.
Wow. Holy crap.
Try that now. Yeah. But, um, keep it. Anything you would like
to say about that. Now? That's a lot. It was a lot.
No. No, I'm just letting it flow. Let it flow over
me. Well, this will be in conjunction with the previous
clip. This is actually I have Larry Kramer. Okay, this is him.
This is him getting angry and this is at the Connecticut form.
In 1993. The president
promised to appoint his most important White House
appointments within by the time he was alive. Did he campaign
that the aid czar would be one of these? There is no aid czar.
There is no person that they're even interviewing for an aid SAR
I fear and I dread to make a prediction. But I fear that
these next four years, as far as aids are concerned, are going to
be just as bad as the last eight years. 12 years. No, I know
we're supposed to be nice to him. Give him his honeymoon. I
haven't got time for a honeymoon. Mary Fisher doesn't
have time for a honeymoon. This doctor here from your own city
doesn't have time for honeymoon. 1 billion people don't have time
for a honeymoon. I see a red light is on up there. I guess
I've exceeded my six minutes. What have I learned in the last
12 years? Is the question that is always asked me on
interviews. I went to Yale I was assistant to the president of
two major United States corporations, Columbia Pictures
and United Artists Corporation. I have made films that have won
the Academy Awards. I have an Academy Award nomination myself.
I am a rich man. in monetary terms. In the last 12 years, I
have learned what it is like to be treated like a cake. Like a
nigger. Like a sick, like a faggot, like a piece of shit. I
have learned that people are not very nice that there is no such
thing as the Judeo Christian tradition. And that intentional
genocide is allowed.
You know, what's really remarkable is how loud these
voices were back in the day. Gay men, and they have zero voice.
Now gay men are you know, they're just they're outcast.
And they lead a lot of this.
Yeah. And that's the thing. The
power is gone.
It's just been removed. Well, it's been co opted by, of
course, in their community. They've been there experienced
the same thing. Yes. And it's not
the it's been co opted by actual trans lives matters, etc.
Well, it's not your preference of sexual preference is the
issue of masculinity period. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, good. Man.
Gotta go man. Black man gotta go white man. Gotta go gay man.
Gotta go man have to go and nasty whole plans to marginalize
all these other groups? Because like you said, to the point
where you're actually being kicked out of your group. I
mean, we're all we're all experiencing this.
What do you think they want to do with us? We mean,
we only need a few one of us per 1000. What 10,000? I mean,
I mean, why not? Just do it, like the old Egyptian de js. You
know, like, like, Cleopatra. You know, she has, you will be
slaves. She was okay to sex slaves. Just feed us. Let's have
football. But you
don't need a lot of them. Yeah, I know. I mean, well, to give a
parallel, they want to make us a Unix in a way. Unless you have
something to offer sexually attracted me like you always
pointed out attracted me and don't get me to correct a lot.
You don't have anything to offer sexually. Then you're basically
Unix shut up and just do work and keep your head down. Yeah.
And that goes for all that goes for all men. Yes. Crazy. You
thought he thought he thought you know that. And what's
happening now is he experienced that as a white man then. Yeah.
To say, oh, even white man could be genocide. Yeah, that was new
for him. Now he you heard the words that he used this when he
was going through it right now is gay men are experiencing that
because they kicked in the LGBT the LGBT LGB GBT door and now
they're like, Shut up and sit in the corner. Oh, yeah, no, this
is that man kicked in there still right door Now shut up and
get in the corner. It's an insult
that they're included in the acronym. Yeah, there should be
no G in the URL. TBBT QQ IA P k plus
where there there the Green Man or the black, the white. I'm
just saying, but I'm just gonna illustrate your point in further
this thing where they say black men are the white men of black
people, gay men on the straight men of gay people
I know what you mean. She said, she said really weird.
And it sounds weird we use that I'm the white person or black
people. What is the saying things like now? Now you're the
dominant factor. And I
agree well, no. So you gotta go. Okay, so the so clearly what we
have to do is we have to turn it around, since we all know the
black man goes first. Have we need to lift the black man up
to, uh, to lead that return back into our rightful place
where you restore it, what you restore is a masculine society.
And that's not led in a sense of, oh, you know, like
oppression. That's in, you know, fatherly, that's why the
patriarchy is that so it's so under attack, under attack,
because it's about leadership. Right?
Well, exactly. But you know what, right now, I only see
black men standing up and saying this, you Jason Whitlock
recently on, I think I saw him on Tucker doing this.
What were your back against the walk? See, a lot of these other
groups think they're just there's negotiation. We realize
they're negotiating. There's no negotiating, right? I mean,
what? There's no I mean, like, we were at the bottom, like,
messing this gonna lead us great. It's another clip what
he's felt what he thought he can negotiate. Like, he was talking
about Clinton, he was like, Well, it'd be nice to give us
honeymoon days. No honeymoon period. Right? There's, we knew
how was going to happen after the 2020 election. We were
ready. We had batten hatches, like we knew what was gonna
happen.
So when you say when you say when you say we is there a phone
call that I should be on from time to time or
no? A psychological thing like formation, right? It can happen
both ways. Yeah. Get your mind around the idea. And you're
looking to the left and right. It's like you're gonna see it
everywhere you need to. Yeah, so I want to get into the point of
benign neglect. And that's what Larry Clayman Kramer was
experiencing. And this is Dr. Francis Cresswell Singh. She's
gonna explain what benign benign neglect is.
What racism, white supremacy is the effect racism because the
more the victims of racism and white supremacy are kept in a
state of ignorance, then that enhances the strength of the
system itself. And every effort is made to block black people
penetrating and having an in depth understanding of racism.
White supremacy, is my understanding that the Attorney
General Eric Holder in commenting upon the Supreme
Court, Chief Justice said that the chief justices said the way
to deal with racism is to not talk about it. That would be the
same in medicine, the way to deal with cancer is to not talk
about it. Then the patient and everybody else who might be
afflicted with cancer, they just go forward and die. Because it's
being ignored, or be given benign neglect. I think that was
President Reagan's term about how to deal with racism.
So that's what you alluded to about Jason Whitlock and what we
do here at the show, you've heard it several other people
that we rely shutting up is what they want us to do.
Yeah, this is just an end. No, no, no,
we're going out kicking and screaming if we're gonna go out,
speaking in
the mic, all the way mo all the way.
So let's see. Now okay, now we got to go back because this is a
throwback clip from a show 44 That was big bang, big Big Bang
Barry told about Brock Obama. And this is Reverend Wright, and
it's something that we didn't catch in there. I'm not gonna
say it. I want you to listen to it context of what we're talking
about now. And the United
States of America government when it came to treating her
citizens of Indian descent, fairly, she failed. She put them
on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of
Japanese descent fairly. She failed. She put them in
internment prison camps. When it came to treating the citizens of
African descent fairly American failed. She puts demand, change
the government, put them on slave quarters, put them on
action block auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, let them
in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, let them in
scientific experience, stillness, put them in the
lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of
the law, kicked them out of their racist vaccines of higher
education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and
helplessness. The government gives him the drugs them bigger
prisons, passes a three strike law, and then wants us to sing
God bless America. No, no, no, not God bless America. God damn
America. The Bible for killing innocent people. Damn America.
Citizen. Human God damn. Holy See.
Free man that was that was so assassinated in the media. Yes.
Oh, my goodness. But Obama was embarrassed by it himself. Well,
there's a he, first of all, being associated with somebody
who speaks like that with that tone. The tone itself? Yeah. You
know, he played. He played I'm nice. And I'm not I'm not
threatening. I'll just know. I'll be quiet. You heard? Not,
for instance, Chris Wilson. loot. Eric Holder, one of his
pics of just don't talk about it, you know, just don't talk
about and this was bad for the messaging. Yeah. So they had to
condemn him? Well, one of the things Jeremiah Wright was known
about was preaching about AIDS and where it came from. And
your sermon he said, the government lied about inventing
the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of
color. So I asked you Do you honestly believe your statement
and those words?
Have you read Horowitz's book emerging viruses, AIDS and
Ebola? Whoever wrote that question, have you read medical
apartheid? You read it? You honestly five? No questions from
the floor. I read different things. As I said to my members,
if you haven't read things, and you can't, yeah, based on this
Tuskegee experiment, and based on what has happened to Africans
in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing
anything in fact, in fact, in fact, one of the one of the
responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological
warfare was a non question because all we had to do was
check the sales record. We sold him those biological weapons
that he was using against his own people. So any type of
government can put together biological warfare to kill
people, and then get angry when those people use what we sold
them. Yes, I believe we are capable.
Mm hmm. That's the part you didn't hear about.
I recalled, I recall the clip, but no, for all for all intents
and purposes, no, no one heard that.
Did you hear him engaged to ski?
Yes course.
That's what I'm talking about. Here. The floor push back in my
age. It was like there was an uproar. He's like, Okay, I need
to, you're saying to get them off for me? Yeah, Tuskegee,
right.
We call that. Oh, yeah. We have a term benign neglect.
What is it? And what is it reflexive thing? Like get up off
me? Yeah, of course. Of course. Give me time to think about an
answer me. Japanese out of that, you know, I was a great example
of, of what I've been saying about how tuskys You and me
we've talked about underlying about not trust doctors period,
as far as I know, are the solutions they have
to ski is also it's also great, because because, as you point
out, it's like this, get off my back. Let me think about some
more here. So I'll just throw it to ski to ski long. It's hard to
say it's interesting. You don't really hear it. You have to make
sure you don't say Tuskegee Airmen. You know, it's like it's
a really good one because I think it's relatively short, but
it gives you double the punch on how much more time you got to
figure out what you're going to say next. Yes,
and I just want to lay that out. But he lays out some some heavy
names there. Horwitz and other people, but before we do that,
we got a show appreciation to the people that make this
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Alright, so in the previous clip jur Reverend Jeremiah Wright
brought up a name Dr. Leonard Horowitz. Have you ever heard of
him before?
Uh, I think so. But it's just like such a doctor name, if you
know what I mean.
So what well, let's go ahead and get into this is the origins of
AIDS and Ebola viruses.
Let me just share with you quickly how I got started. You
would never imagine this in 1982, when I was finishing up my
Harvard master's in public health, and I was asked what I
would like to would I like to participate in educating gay
folks and others about this thing called gay Related Immune
Deficiency. This was before it was called AIDS. And I said,
Now, I want to I don't want to deal with that disease at all. I
don't want to think about that at all. Here I am. 15 years
later, 16 years later, and what am I doing traveling around the
world, telling people about the manmade origins of AIDS and
Ebola. I was working over here my favorite area of research and
teaching was in self care, healthy human development,
motivational psychology, teaching people like Danny does,
how to take better care of themselves boost their immune
systems. So I was really into that I love that's my favorite
thing. And one day, kind of like the miracle happen, where there
was a crisis, and I was the right person at the right time.
It was 1990, July 27 1990. When the case of the Florida dental
aids tragedy hit the press. Remember the case of the Florida
dentist for affected his patients with the AIDS virus?
Oh, man, do I remember that? Huh? Do you remember it from
then?
I remember it. I mean, like I just being on the news. And my
dad was saying watching the news, but I don't recall it like
that. I you know, I remember like, it'd be a big thing like,
oh, dentists are giving people aids, you know, that kind of
thing. You won't want to go talk about it.
No, no, no, no, no, I'm just I'm just remarking that I vividly
recall that.
Okay, well, I have a local clip from perfect. From the local
news.
Dr. Acuras. Case is bringing national attention to our area
tonight into the increasing fears over how the AIDS virus is
spread. Nowhere has the impact of AIDS been so tragic than here
in our area where a young woman is the first in the country to
claim she contracted the deadly disease from a medical
caregiver. The implications for you and for the health community
are enormous. In the first of my three part Action News extra on
AIDS anxiety, you can meet the young woman who was bravely
forging ahead, despite the odds
that we're all gonna die.
You know, we're all none of us are immortal. With aids, you're
more aware of it.
She's a 22 year old college graduate with a promising
future. Until December 1989. When Kimberly Byrd Dallas found
out she was diagnosed with AIDS. Suddenly, fate changed the
future.
It's frightening. You know, I was I was at a point in my life
where I had all these different goals and I was sending out my
resume. And I was thinking about, you know, marriage and
eventually, you know, children and so it's it's a big setback.
Kimberly believes she contracted the deadly disease during a 1987
tooth extraction. Her dentist David Acker of steward died of
AIDS this past September,
I thought about everything else and nothing else made sense. The
only person that I've been exposed to that had had AIDS was
the dentist.
Ah, I remember Dr. Leonard Horowitz because I read one of
his books and it was and I looked it up where we were
listening emerging viruses, AIDS and Ebola. Yes, now I remember
Yes. It's been a lot
Okay, so I don't know if you want to get into the acres or
not before this next clip. You got anything you want to say
about him something you remember you want to know get into?
No, no, no. Should I be when did you expect something from you?
Yeah, did I mean Oh, if you familiar with it. books because
this is right up your alley in these next couple of clips 23.
At that time, I was serving as the world's leading dental and
medical catalog supply company's chief professional advisor. And
my background was in media health education, health
promotion, fear, because I worked on dental phobia
reduction therapy programs, behavioral therapy programs to
allay people's fear going dentist, and I've been a dentist
for 16 years, and health education and media persuasion
technologies. And here the media was making so many people afraid
to go see their dentists in the wake of this case. So I was
asked, I was told I was given the job opportunity to develop
patient educational literature to help allay people's fear of
going into medical practices. So I started to research the
Centers for Disease Control as official investigation reports.
In the case, I first found them to be scientifically
questionable. I then found them to be scientifically bogus, and
then later found them to be fraudulent. They've literally
covered up deleted the most incriminating evidence against
the dentist, who I have to conclude after three years of
studying this case and publishing three scientific
reports literally having to go out of the United States to
publish because the American Dental Association American
Medical Association wanted to maintain the cover.
Yeah, so it's been 30 years since I really honestly, well, a
little bit less than of course, but that's when I was earnestly
when these books were coming out when I was really studying this
stuff. And it wasn't till hmm, another 10 years after that,
that, you know, I really think started to become clear. And
it's been for me, it's been total benign ignorance ever
since.
So let's just catch people up on what he's saying in the previous
two clips. So what he's saying is he had no interest in looking
aids, which he was called gay.
Yeah, instead of auto immune deficiency, immunodeficiency
disease. It was called gay immunodeficiency does not so it
was greed. It was, like gay to me. No, it
was no saying it was the acronym was greed. Yeah. So great. First
of all, great rebranding on that, because greed would have
not flown over now. Well, no, no good at all. Second of all, what
he's saying is he was chasing the money. They were losing
money because people didn't want to go to dentists. Because they
were afraid. Yeah, wish that brings up another point how I
don't know how people can let somebody go look in their mouth
man, in the middle of this thing we got going on. But this is not
a COVID show. Um, it didn't stop what he's saying. I asked him
started chasing the money and figuring out how to get people
to start going to the dentist again, he started looking to
this case with acres. And he found out that the dental
dentistry and dentistry industry and the FDA, FDA covered up
everything get to the point where he had to go out of the
country to publish his book. I just want to feel people Bruce
and discovery, the two clips or segment with the local report.
So I wanted to fill people in on what's going on in time. He
didn't purposely pursue aids. No, he was nothing money's
Hunter he was trying to try to make to get people in the
dentist offices, terrain, which I mean, which is head comes on
that natural apprehensions in its first place. But I digress.
So we can go now we can go. And this, I think is where you're
going to be very interested. 24 I wrote
a book. This was based on those three scientific reports called
Deadly innocence, my ninth book, wherein I have to conclude that
the dentist based on all the evidence using the FBI, his own
behavioral science literature, how they themselves investigate
and evaluate these types of cases that this dentist,
scientifically trained military dentist for much of his career,
very intelligent dentist, believed that he was dying of a
virus that the government had created. They covered that up.
He believed that they had intentionally injected this
virus during the 1978 experimental hepatitis B vaccine
that was given to a lover of his that he had in 1985. And that's
how he got infected. And he believed that this was genocide.
And he believed in what was called the World Health
Organization theory of AIDS. The videotape that Danny stated he
saw the Stryker memorandum was what Dr. David Acker believed
that the World Health Organization United States
Public Health Service Centers for Disease Control has
something to do with the development of these types of
viruses and the deployment of them through Hepatitis B and
other vaccines in Africa and North America.
Oh man, you are opening up a deep rabbit hole that was pretty
dusty. I had that one close a long time, brother. Long time
ago like oh man, he's taking me back to the Strecker memorandum
never like a review that rabbit hole. So damn
you damn you mo facts.
So since we re Earth, this rabbit hole, let's go ahead and
jump in the extract stricker memorandum that
we need to set it up about what it was was that?
Well, let's just give a little setup. This is this guy that
makes the case Dr. Robert Stricker, he makes this case
wish it was six parts. I found it on YouTube. I secured it
on YouTube. Yes. Whatever that means we'll get a content
strike, I'm sure.
No, what I'm saying is I secured I downloaded the actual video.
Archives. Yes. You seen the title and say disappeared? Yeah,
obviously, taken down. But he makes the case that AIDS was
created in a lab? Well, not correct. It was always worth
creating the lab and it got out somehow. He didn't say if it was
intentional, or if it was by accident. But he just makes the
case that AIDS was created in lab and
I'm glad that this is not a COVID show.
I'm glad to
aids the most devastating biological catastrophe the world
has ever known. This disease will kill more people this year
than all other viral diseases combined. According to Dr.
Robert Stryker AIDS is a man made genetically engineered
virus that was either accidentally or deliberately
introduced into the world's population. Age is not a
homosexual disease. Age is not a venereal disease. Age did not
originate from the green monkey. Age is not prevented by the use
of condoms. And AIDS is not likely to ever be cured by a
vaccine. I realize what you've just heard, contradicts most of
what you've been told about AIDS. In this program, Dr.
Robert Stryker will present documented evidence that refutes
the official stance taken by so called AIDS experts, members of
the research community and the government. And now, let's find
out the truth about AIDS.
Yeah, now we're cooking with
gas. So, okay, so we got to back up a little bit and go back to
what Dr. Hall was saying. He said he found out about this
scenario of bikers, the dentist, Akers was giving giving people
intentionally aids because his lover had gotten AIDS through a
hepatitis vaccine. And out of anger, he started to infect
people. And this memorandum supports what acres believe. So
I'm just filling everybody in where it means little
disjointed, but I want to make sure everybody's caught up to
speed on where we're at with this. Yep. Go and get to part
two of the stricker.
I'm Dr. Robert Straker, a practicing internist and
gastroenterologist in Los Angeles. I have a special
interest in pharmacology, pathology, and now aids. I
became interested in the AIDS questions several years ago and
doing a health maintenance proposal basically an insurance
proposal for security Pacific bank, a bank here in California.
More and more members of the medical and research community
such as Dr. Peter Duesberg, the University of California at
Berkeley, Dr. John seal, a member of the Royal Society of
medicine of London, Dr. Alan Cantwell, who has recently
finished a third book on age this one on the origin of aids
are questioning the validity of the popular view about AIDS,
which has failed to scientifically explain the
disease. So I've decided it's time that someone tells you the
truth about AIDS. So in this program, I will show you how the
AIDS virus was actually predicted, requested for Deuce
deployed and now threatens the very existence of mankind,
because it works. To understand why I believe that the AIDS
virus came out of a laboratory rather than out of the jungles
of Africa, you have to understand several important
concepts which I will address in the next few minutes. These
concepts actually include an understanding of viruses,
bacteria, human cell lines, tissue culture, and manipulation
of all those things in the laboratory.
What's really cool about this repeat, rinse, rinse repeat
cycle that that it's if this were a COVID show. What's really
cool about it, which
is not so and hearing all of this now we need to go back and
listen Remember what Reverend Reverend Wright said about a
Goddamn America, giving people AES keys going off of these
peoples facts. And now we got to bring it back into the wild was
a sign up, it was like, Oh, the road sign up plays on, they're
saying so called Black Americans, because we were
hearing this in rap songs. We were hearing this in church,
this barbershop.
Now I know what I was going to say, and it makes it lead you
into this point. So we have, you know, this grainy YouTube video,
which has been disappeared multiple times as pretty much
one of the last pieces of evidence so you can go out and
you can go get the you can read the striker report, but nothing
quite as powerful as seeing him at the blackboard, you know, and
explaining what's going on. What is happening to that today with
with you know, now we have all of this, these different
avenues, all of this media, all of these things, like even even
Reverend, right, there's only really one or two little pieces.
So you know, while the cycle is rinsing, repeating, we have
become so much more communicative amongst ourselves
and have figuring stuff out over here. And I think that's the
fundamental flaw of what I'm going to jump to the end. Of
course, I totally believe that this is all the same thing. I
just stuffed that away into a deep dark closet until you open
the door. Thank you very much.
Right because the door had closed on your side. That's
right. For them, but not for you. Exactly.
And my side is thinking still brewing. It's like how am I
still still killing people? I mean, like you heard the guy
came out 14 years later and say he had AIDS. I forgive me,
Bobby. Porter. I think God's name, Billy Porter. Billy
Porter. Yeah, you hear him come out. This thing is still fresh.
And it's unresolved up. And I want to say one thing, because
why people like well, was Reverend right. Reverend Wright
was is a healthcare professional in the military that care for? I
think Lyndon Baines Johnson. Yeah. So he's, people don't know
that. They don't know that. Yeah, he's not just some I mean,
when you hear Reverend, they might think Raven, Jesse Jackson
or Al Sharpton? No, we're talking about somebody that
worked for the government that had allegiance to the
government, like
all reference do.
Eventually, he, he was loyal enough to care for American
president, they actually have pictures of them together. So
this is not some kind of fly by night guy that's throwing around
these allegations. So I just want to make that clear. But
this is where his teachings is coming from. But the SIOP is how
now it's like, oh, no, no, age is a square deal. And we seen
this, I brought this up before, but interesting not to belabor
the point. But we saw this with OJ, it was very clear when OJ
was found innocent. A lot of black people either thought he
was innocent, or went along with it. He was innocent. You know,
you didn't question me. Like, sure. Right. So it was the same
thing with AIDS. It was like no, man made. Government gave us
aid. I think I'm even kind of has a lot to lose to that. Um,
oh, all the greats have slipped it in.
Yeah, all those. So I'm just saying,
but I'm sorry to come back to that. So it's been in hip hop
that that is the main the main point here is now now it's open
to everybody. It's not necessarily just hip hop, hip
hop was didn't have the distribution has today, but it
was definitely the CNN.
One of the most popular songs in I wanna say r&b, hip hop
history, waterfalls. The first verse is about age pacing age,
age patient. Little precious. Yeah. So I mean, we're talking
about so 10s of millions of albums. That's like one I mean,
I wonder how many Grammys that song one I mean, it's how
ingrained it was in the culture. So when you hear somebody with
the reach and you know the respectability of a Reverend
Wright's preaching that in his church, you can see what how
this thing got set in. But now it's now we can go actually, we
can go back thank God archivist save these tapes, uploaded these
tapes. So we can revisit and we can if you look backwards, you
oftentimes see the future. Um, with that said, where are we at
27? Yes, we are.
In essence, I have to conclude at the end of that case that the
dentist most plausibly was an identical to an organized serial
killer. He made to paint a classic organized serial killer
personality, you know, like the Unabomber. These people they all
according to FBI kill for the sake of power controlling
Revenge, revenge being the major theme and the principal issue is
principal vendetta was screaming loud and clear in the legal
testimonies that was against the federal government. In essence,
I concluded that he created a crime he did not all organized
serial killers love to do they manipulate the authorities of
the catch. 22 is the Unabomber. He publishes his manifesto in
the New York Times Washington Post says here's what I believe
you tried to get me. David Acker, the Florida dentist was
virtually identical to this. In essence, he created a crime
mystery that could not be solved without implicating the
government, because if they told the truth, if they said he was
an organized serial killer then the whole world what a mono
motive and the motive was screaming loud and clear and
illegal testimony, which they buried. So there was one
document however, that came along with that videotape called
the striker memorandum that Stryker sent to David Acker. And
it was the most horrifying document I had ever seen. It was
a 1970 department of defense appropriations request for $10
million for a five year study, to develop immune system
ravaging micro organisms for germ warfare.
Oh, man, what does that sound like? Happy This is not a COVID
show. Again, a function research anybody.
He was a equivalent to the Serial Command to the Unabomber
to say I'm gonna do some killings. That way, if you
investigate it, you got to investigate the whole story,
right? We wouldn't just some crazy guy in Florida or
allegedly some crazy guy in Florida was in as he was paying
in the news, and then it'd be it'd be in the interest of
parties. And that whole news segment that I played, I lit I
clipped it. But I mean, it was like a three part series. His
name was never mentioned like that. He was never a part of the
store. Pa who he was nothing. It was just like, yeah, let's get
this dentist. got over it. I mean, this guy was a military
dentist. He was involved in his community, big time golf guy, I
think not endorsed down in Florida. Um, you know, pillar of
the community. And then he just goes on this quiet rampage of
offending places and nobody asks why
cam man? By the way, I put the the waterfall lyrics into the
show notes. Not everybody might have known that about the about
the lyrics.
Yeah, that's that first the first verse is about as basic as
patient. Yeah. So now we got to go back and listen to Fauci and
this is Dr. Fauci do. This is the blurb, Dr. Fauci, Director
of National Institute of allergies and infections,
infectious disease, at the National Institutes of Health,
NIH, talks about the prospect of bioterrorism and the safety and
ethics of poaching potentially dangerous scientific information
and the interconnected world. So this is, um, he's speaking to
the Center for Strategic and International Studies. And he's
talking about anthrax.
bioterror is there's always the potential for bioterror. And we
have a major bio defense research and development effort
that spans agencies from the NIH to do the basic research to be
able to develop better vaccines, how you counter engineered
microbes, how you approach drug resistance, engineered microbes,
the CDC has surveillance mechanisms to determine if
there's new microbes or anything out there in society,
particularly toxic that could be used in a bioterror situation,
the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of
Defense, we do all of that. Having said that, the worst
bioterrorist is nature itself. Nature is very good at evolving
microbes to create problems much smarter than any terrorist. So
what we've tried to do over the years, is to use the expertise
of the resources to allow us to respond better to a deliberate a
front or attack on us with a microbe of any type engineered
or what have you, to use that knowledge to better prepare us
for what we know will happen. We don't know whether we will ever
have an attack on us in the United States or elsewhere,
using biological weapons. We absolutely know that we will
have the evolution of a new disease naturally occurring that
will impact society. And the reason is because history is
told us that that will happen.
Ah yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm familiar with this. I'm familiar
With a piece of his, yeah, I just I despise it this guy is
even talking about bioterrorism not be not be a part of this,
but he is.
But what he's saying is we got to stay out in front of nature
justification, because nature is gonna kill us. Well, that's
correct list. That's correct what nature correct can create
before nature? And that goes back to his original clip that
says we had to be better than nature? Yeah, let's be better to
nature. How do you do that by creating what it will create
before it creates it. So we can come up with a resolution and
that is to humanize Fauci here, and in this point,
oh, I have him I have a very hard time I have a very hard
time. Well, you
know, what I'm saying is, if he's saying he, in good faith,
oh, we're trying to beat nature to the punch. So we know how to
counter it, that could be a way of humanizing him. But it's
irresponsible, very irresponsible. But it could be
couched in a register the road to hell is paved in good
intentions. So
this is I'm sorry, he's he's part of the 1%. He's a lizard.
Well, maybe that's why he feels comfortable around working
around Easter eggs. Well mask going into lab and nothing,
watch me hold my beer. So let's get to the part two of what
could probably go wrong with bioterrorism,
I can't predict you, when the next one will be. Hopefully it
won't be for a very, very long time that it will happen.
There's no doubt it will happen. So instead of looking at two
separate silos of bio defense for biological threats that are
deliberate and countermeasures for naturally occurring, he
should essentially pull the science so that you could do
both. Well, I think that that where we are right now in
science and molecular biology, and particularly molecular
virology and our ability to sequence and we combine and
create various organisms in some respect, is that the best way to
prevent a nefarious act is to create and develop a culture of
responsibility among scientists, you, you have to have some
restrictions in the sense of you don't do work that could
actually hurt people in the sense of if you have a
laboratory accident, you have to have the right containment. Once
you start being too restrictive, you then impede creativity for
so many of the good things that could come out of the same type
of work. So if you develop a culture of responsibility, the
vast, vast, vast, vast majority of work on that area will be
done for the betterment of mankind, they're always going to
be the bad guys around somewhere, someplace, he would
hope that they don't have the opportunity to do something that
is going to ultimately hurt mankind. When I say that, I get
back to what I mentioned just a moment ago that the chances of
nature, creating something really bad is much better than
we mere mortal humans doing it.
Wow. In short, the only way to stop a bad guy with a virus is a
good guy with a virus.
Ah,
wow, that's a mind bender.
That's how he looks in the reason why I try to humanize
anybody. Why give everybody the benefit of the doubt. So you
have is that proof? The other thing is if we're trying to
reach people that may believe he's acting in good faith, you
have to communicate on their level and say, hey, look, he I
understand he might was trying to get it from the nature I get
it. But that is to stop the fact that they created aids and
escaped. You see what I mean? We two things can be true what we
always talk about so we both can be true. Oh, absolutely. Right.
So what we want to reach those people that we're trying to
communicate with and not get siloed we have to see it the way
they see it seek first to understand then to be
understood. Okay, I can see how you can see that he was acting
in good faith. That still doesn't absolve him from the
fact that when you start playing around and playing God,
basically what you're doing, um, it can have significant
ramifications.
Or, if you and I think that this is probably the case with Bill
Gates, and Fauci likely, there's a new book out which I've been
reading by the brigands I think it's Peter and ginger brigands
till COVID-19 and global predators. We are the prey. And
you can totally humanize Fauci because he's hung up on. He's
not, he's not necessarily the person who wants to kill
everybody.
Or he could be a lizard. I'm not ruined now, but he
could he could be the lizard that is different kinds of
lizards to I'm sure they got a hierarchy. But my point is that,
you know, this, this is this could be so big. This could be
just what I've always felt this is a trail that just leads to
all these things. And you know, we're we're not really going to
do anything with Zika or with Ebola, but I totally I'm so on
board with this. With this pathway. It's it's, it's
repeating the, the whole thing repeats,
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Alright, so now we got to get into how they try to handle the
DIS information. This information, quote unquote
different this information with their normal tactic. When
you hear the term fake news, you probably heard about how it's
used often today by President Trump. But it's actually an old
term used by the Soviet Union as a reference to disinformation
campaigns that the Soviets and now the Russians have long used
to destabilize the west. It worked before and it's working
again now. That is the tale told by Operation infection, Russian
disinformation from Cold War to Kanye. A riveting three part
series released by the New York Times is Adam Westbrook and Adam
elec, who joins me in the studio. Now, Adam, great to see
you. Thanks for being here.
Thanks for having me.
So there's a lot of talk about Russian disinformation, of
course in 2016, even 2018. But this started long before as your
film demonstrates, and I want to show a clip from the film that
starts with two KGB defectors, who said disinformation had one
goal
to change the perception of reality for every American to
such an extent that despite the abundance of information, no one
is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of
defending themselves, their families, their community and
their country.
Within the KGB is a department that specializes in planting
false stories and forged documents.
We know it was run from department a right at the top of
the KGB and it had a multi million dollar budget 2000
People in the Soviet Union and outside of the Soviet
Union involved in that kind of actions on regular daily basis
15,000 people creating disinformation stories as
seemingly crazy as the US created a Oh, yeah,
okay, Russians got Russia's even when it was the Russians man
this those guys are so good.
Can I interest you is a little bit of Operation infection.
I'd love some operation infection you with a K by the
way with okay.
Okay, okay. 32
Okay, so to start, let's go back to July 1983. And all the way
over here, New Delhi, India. This is when a remarkable story
appears in a newspaper called The Patriots. It claims the HIV
virus was secretly created by US government scientists as a
weapon to kill African Americans and gay people. It even names a
facility in Fort Dietrich in Maryland, where the virus was
supposed to have been concocted. It's a crazy allegation printed
in a small newspaper. No big deal, right. But fast forward
just a couple of years and look what's happening. The story is
spreading all over Africa. A scientific reports even
published by two East German biologists who say they can
prove If AIDS is made in the USA, all these articles from
just a few months at the end of 1986. And then somehow, it ends
up here.
A Soviet military publication claims the virus that causes
AIDS leaked from a US Army laboratory conducting
experiments in biological warfare.
That's Dan ratha, reading a fake news story to millions of
undressing Americans on national TV. But don't be too hard on
Dan, this was one of the greatest cons ever carried out
on a global scale. And we're going to show you how it was
pulled off.
Just Just before we continue, I just want to confirm something
you said earlier. That if if anyone with any so called black
person, or the majority of so called black people, if they're
being honest, when asked, you know without microphones or
cameras, AIDS, they would say oh, yeah, everyone knows that
was created a lab to kill Black people.
That was say, so fishy was going on. I wonder if they would go to
extent. But that was right. It looks that way. And they might
not be as adamant is right here. But even this even a non
conspiratorial person that watches the news every day.
Yeah. Well, this comes on Dan Rather my dad watch Dan Rather
every night. Right after the local news and right before a
with a fortune, you know, saying like, so if he hears that,
what is wrong with you black people, the communists are
continuously giving you false information.
That's how it seems right? What is wrong with
you.
looking the other way, though? Well, maybe the Soviets
recognize a weakness that they can exploit. Exploit is not that
the weakness doesn't the future doesn't exist in their
manufacturing it is they realize that it's the future. They're
like what we talked about back in with the communism coming
through in the south, with how sharecropping was going on.
Well, that and, of course, fast forward to Marxism and BLM.
I mean, it's a lot in between, I mean, even it's a lot if you
watch the show the Americans, of course, they had a storyline in
there where the Russians was working with a revolution black
Americans, revolutionary black Americans back in the early 80s,
late 70s. So I mean, this is a running theme. Like I said, that
doesn't say the future doesn't exist, and they're
manufacturing. It could be that they just realize that that's a
weak point, right? Oh, I'm gonna So Dan Rather he's he's pushing
the store. Good old Dan.
KGB let the story go quiet for a couple of years after India. But
with AIDS still making scary headlines in 85. They revived it
this time in a prominent Moscow newspaper, and the source for
this story. You guessed it. It's brilliant. Really, they've
repeated the story but concealed their hand distancing themselves
from the lie they started. So we're now into 1986. And the KGB
wants to add gravitas to this slide. So they look around for a
scientist, a human face, someone who could back up the lie with
data and no joke. This is the dude they found. This is Dr.
Jakob Seagal. Remember I said the report had two authors.
Well, here comes the co author. Now it's his wife Nilly. Believe
it or not, these two wrote that report that claimed to have
evidence AIDS was created in a US government lab
with scientific gobbly gook. And you know, you read this stuff
and who can understand it, but it purports to be proof.
The thing is, it worked. The KGB made sure the GAO report was
read by journalists all over Africa. And they kept on pushing
it until it went, well viral. It's appeared in 200 reports in
80 countries, even the Daily Express in London runs with it.
And finally for March 30 1987, the KGB hits the jackpot.
A Soviet military publication leaked.
But you brought up a great point last year that I mean, last show
about the amplification of news and that's kind of on the white.
What we're doing now is when we deconstruct it, it's kind of
like the same thing that they're using. They're right, they put
it in reverse. Oh, yeah. lodo paper, and it works his way up
to the mainstream. Now in reverse, we've reverse
engineered it, that when it comes from the mainstream, we
reverse engineer and it's disseminated out through smaller
outlets like ours.
Well also, we are able to use collective memory and that
collective memory is YouTube that collective memory is for
better for worse. Google but you know, there's a lot of
infrastructure, a lot of in infrastructure, a lot of data
being created that we're now starting to learn how to find
and not necessarily have to go through all the you know all the
beaten paths that have been laid out before us so yeah.
And Eric Barron a catch 22 Kid, they can't sanitize their
platforms, because they're a competitor. So it's like let's
cover it with all this asinine mind numbing material
it's better to do that it's better to just throw all kinds
throw everything out and call everything conspiracy. Yeah
confused everybody because that's the hard part. You know,
I know that I know there are people who are going to email me
and say You are crazy curry and here's what they say age doesn't
exist curry really desperate they're gonna say not not that I
said that verbatim that way. But yeah, I have big doubts about
all of this.
And I'm not saying that because something's kidding Oh, my God
the same approach not to COVID Stop this killing these people.
I mean, we had that happen but Yeah, something's killing them
now with Porter as they're as they're saying, Well what what
is killing people?
Yes. Yeah in okay, I'm not a doctor. So this is this is only
my opinion but if you look at truly what AIDS is auto
immunodeficiency syndrome. But this can be caused by many many
things.
Right? Not everything and I understand what you're saying.
Yeah. I completely understand what
what really what's killing people know what's really
killing people is a sugary drinks, crap food, processed
food. Bull crap life. No sunlight, unhappiness SSRIs,
Adderall, heroin. Oxy. You know? It's amazing. So many people are
still living. They haven't been able to kill us with this
damage. Give them a virus.
And it's like, well, the sexual path doesn't work. We gotta go.
We gotta go respiratory. We got to go airborne. Yes.
You can't even get them like, all they do is they're like
bunnies. We have to they can't stop them with this. They won't
stop. It's clear what their goal is. Kill us to kill us.
I'm glad we agree. 99% Gotta go. Which leaves 1%
of lizards this
amazing how that math works out. I'm just y'all do the math.
Well, we stopped at 33 Yeah,
no, we're already at 35 Last one of the Okay, let's
get well let's go and finish up
this campaign how to KGB codename they called it
operation infection.
Well I'm sorry. Some happened with that clip. We went gobbly
goo in.
Oh, no. No, you're no, no, no. Yeah, it sounded good here.
Okay, my fault. Yeah, no worries. We'll hit it again.
This campaign has a KGB codename. They called it
operation infection.
Well, that's a life. Half a lifetime ago, this was handed
out in a demonstration. I was so angry that they accused the
United States of creating the AIDS virus because I knew how
effective that was going to be as a tool against us. And it
angered me,
Operation infection, one of the most audacious and successful
fake news stories ever created. And for America, the impact was
toxic.
foreign governments actually believed that the US was
creating this biological warfare agent. For them to think that
damages their view of the United States not only as a culture,
but it taints all of our policies. It's in the back of
their mind every time they discuss anything with us. Now,
with
so much at stake, you might be wondering what the US response
to all this was. Well, we're watching it
gasoline and TOS were both parts of something called the active
measures Working Group. Nicknamed true squad. It was a
team that tracked and tried to expose Soviet disinformation.
Hey, yeah,
true squad. Yes. Genesis of all factors. That's
right. Truth squad. Oh, man. That's good. And that's good.
And as he said, when you're dealing with people Gonna be
stuck in the back of your head. So now you see what I was saying
at the top of the show. When you come to me and talk to me about
matter cool and trust this and trust that it's like, hey, what
about eighth?
There was no I saw this. Okay. I'm just scrolling through
something here for a second. Uh huh. Someone sent me a link that
was that here we go. Oh, this is gonna, this is gonna trip you
out. Okay. This is this is we're doing it live everybody. Okay,
this is a response from the insect group. Then it was a
report written in August 2021. to refute the report examines a
newly discovered campaign aimed at discrediting the Pfizer bio
and tech COVID-19 vaccine. And so this was commissioned by of
course, Pfizer to go out and it's a professional report. But
the true title of this report is operation secondary infection
with the K targets Pfizer vaccine, October 2020 2021.
Second barrier secondary infection with a K operation
secondary infection target. Holy crap. don't realize how big this
is. Because operation the original operation infection was
was was was the the cover I'll just call it what it is the
cover before the AIDS debacle. Yep. And now they're using
operation second infection with a K.
Oh, my piece come out from the New York Times. Wow. To refresh
you on what the first operation infection was. So when the
second one hit? You already been seated. That
was a rare no agenda mo facts flow over. If I ever saw it.
That was great. That was pretty sexy.
Man. Wow. Yeah.
It's in the show notes so people can go take a look at it for
themselves.
I didn't. But I always try to make the point. If you look
backwards, you can see the future. We they do it first. I
hope people understand that and this. What this does is it calls
this is where distrust and systematic racism and all this
stuff comes in it. It's not one person and one thing is this
SIOP that we're blanketed with and it's like we don't forget.
We do not forget now some people go into formation. Commission.
Yeah, yeah, the mass formation that get along, go along and get
along. You know, they're they're not immune to the mind control.
But if you live this, you know, every time before a sexual
encounter, AIDS popped into your head, yep.
Now you know, every single time you breathe or you see a person
without a mask that BAM in your head,
it's like, like asking somebody to have sex without a condom.
Like, are you crazy? Yeah. sex without a condom. Which if you
think about it, condoms, D population. Hello? Yeah, I mean,
hello. Babies. Were not born dude. Come nowhere. It's
a win win. It's a win win. If you don't use a condom. You die
of AIDS. If you use a condom. There's no babies. Yay.
Yeah. So now that's going international sign up. I have to
bring people to the domestic sign up. Okay, now original
super spreader. So we're going to start here, we got to go back
to a clip. Well, this is not a clip. But this is a piece I
pulled a clip from, but this is another segment of it. And this
is in search of good policy by Don spears,
Oprah Winfrey, and all these women have different programs to
help enable black females, but who's trying to help black
males? And I mean, right now there's 6.6 million people in
jail. Most of those people are blackmail. Nobody is really
doing anything for them. Essence the essence Music Festival was
in New Orleans, the Fourth of July weekend. Town Georgia said
it looked like 60 Women for everyone man. I was there.
That's what it looked like. And it was insane to see that many
women and no man. So where was the man there was a clear signal
being sent because men are like like a shark with blood in the
water, if there are women there, the men are gonna be there. But
for some reason the women were there, but the men were not. And
even the women who were there, they pulled out their money,
credit cards, bought what they wanted smile with their
girlfriends and went on about the business. I know of
neighborhoods now where you have most of the people on houses on
the block of black females. No man they have their own houses,
they own credit cards they own BMW. The only thing any a man
for sex and many of them have boy toys. They can pick up the
phone do a terribly milling you know get back on and then send
him about his way and there's still no connection
No, you lost that was a hard right?
No, I'm with you that let me this is not this is not news to
me because of our work together. But yeah, lay it on.
Stella How Stella Got Her Groove Back. So that was about a woman
going out to Jamaica. And she gets what a boy toy a young boy
toy and may fall happy in love. Well, that was based off a
terror McMillan's real life. But in met how it plays out, it
comes to find out they're her who she got her groove back,
which happens to be a gay man. And that birth the term down low
brother, which was the original super spreader.
Oh, that's me doing sound effects.
So how this plays Stop,
stop. White Man catching up slow. So on the download is a
derivative of all that. Yes. Little do they know.
Now download and spying for people download it. That's a
heterosexual now it's the gay man or bisexual man living
undercover dating women and we'd love to her knowledge that he's
gay. Which that's how you explain the numbers of gay men
being high for AIDS. Black women being high for AIDS, but not
that heterosexual man. What it did was it caused us made which
we haven't conquered yet. And
was that was the addition was a great download boy and he said
well you said download boy download brother. Oh, download
brother. Sorry, undercover brothers. Didn't mean to bring
the boy word. Oh no. But so that that was the term super spreader
actually used in connection with with a download brother.
Right because that's how it jumped from the homosexual
community into the heterosexual community. Wow, you follow me?
I'm with you. Course so it's so I mean, I'm just I'm just making
me I'm It was a hard right so I want to make sure everybody
else's follow along too. So they did this ruse I think of her
going through this humiliation ritual with her being terrible
at Macmillan or Oprah Show. They bring this clearly gay man which
I say that loosely. You're saying because you have a
feminine man. What's your heterosexual but I'm a made for
TV gay man. Right? They bring him out here she goes through
this humiliation ritual. And what it does is start to embed
this belief that sneakers if you're openly gay, you're not a
problem. He's they're saying so that ruled out offending gay
men. Oh, this
was a this was an attack on all black men.
No, not all black men. Because if you're gay, you're good.
Because you know, I mean,
if you're out, but if you're not out, then you're automatically
considered to be a possible super spreader.
You're super spreader. Oh, that's
evil.
which to this day, you hear people say, Oh, he's undercover
brother. Oh, he because that's kind of a worst of both worlds.
Because one, you're not living in your truth. And then you're
bringing over the high potential because I say in some southern
states, across America, one out of every two gay men have HIV
AIDS. I'm lumping those together. But you know, for sake
of saying you know, so yeah, that's how it jumped. That's
that's the explanation for the jump on this gay community to
the black woman community got so now we're gonna go 37 And watch
this ruse play out.
When I entered 25 remarkable women who paved the way for me
and countless others at my legends ball back in 2005. I
asked Terry to be there because she too is a young legend. I've
looked up to her as a mentor, Sister friend and respected her
work and we continue to respect her work. And I was really
surprised that she was in this situation actually. Did you feel
obviously betrayed?
Yes, yeah, it is betrayal. Yeah. And deception. Yeah.
Yes. Do you feel like you missed signs that were there?
No, because I'd never been betrayed this way before. I've
never been with a man that I knew was cheating period. And
think
was, was he cheating? Because he told you this. He was cheating.
You think he's gonna tell the truth? I don't know. They lie
about that. But you said that he said at the time that he had
never acted on it. But you didn't believe that, obviously.
Okay,
I said, That's like saying you're an alcoholic and you
haven't had a drink? Uh huh. What does he do? He had an
epiphany in his sleep. Yeah.
This is the thing about this show. This is the thing. I've
known Terry McMillan through her work, and her art and her talent
and her books. And I was surprised that she number one
wanted to come on TV and talk about this.
You were surprised? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. Gee.
And just for people that don't may not know Stella Got Her
Groove Back. She also pinned Waiting to Exhale, which is a
mean factory car that lightened a woman lightly cigarette and
setting the car on fire and walking away. This accident, all
our memories. This is the author of that book, which it also has
a bra has a character in there that I forget her name. She
always plays everybody in mama in black movies. But she's
married to a gay man when she had a child by a gay man, and he
goes off and leaves her with an adult son.
Wow. This is it. And there's Oprah again, you know, Oprah
bringing it to the masses.
I told you is domestic rollout. International sciart rollout,
the domestic rollout here. The original super spreader. So
let's go and get into 38.
Okay, Jonathan, went out. Let us meet you. I was even more
surprised that Jonathan wanted to come on TV and talk about it.
This is your chance to say to the world. Were you lying to
Terry about your sexuality? All those six years?
No, I wasn't lying about my sexuality. You were not lying.
I wasn't. So first of all, it's pretty apparent to me. And I
think a lot of other people when they see Jonathan, that you know
something else was going on there. But I think that
somewhere inside her self, if she were absolutely honest. She
knew something was off. Even if she couldn't say that. He's gay.
She knew something wasn't right. Because to speak about and
future lessons here. You always get that little feeling. I call
it a whisper and the Whisper is exactly that. It feels like
something's off. And then you allow yourself to tell yourself
that it's something else or that it isn't what you actually
really think it is. You don't use your own instinct, your own
intuition and allow yourself to be put in a position that you
later have to suffer the consequences and then get angry
this goes back to prove your point what you were saying
before imagine her standing about a white gay person or a
lesbian like oh you know they look like they're a gay you know
something about them?
Something's not right. Something's Something's off.
Imagine her saying that about anybody else. Rather than a
black man. It will be it will be a scandal. I mean a scandal but
for a black man. Oh, yeah. He like he was gay. You could tell
it's a whisper
Oh, yeah.
It's like saying this played out in the early mid 90s. And this
download it's except into the vernacular.
Oh massively it's it's has incredibly interesting. I do
know millennial like yeah, millennial women 2526. Who
really hang out with a lot of gay guys too. Because they don't
like the masculinity. See? That's how far it's gone now.
Because they don't like masculinity. They don't like it
and I think download bro i I think is, is still a real thing.
It just like I say, is the first attack mags mechanism of anybody
you know, or you're gay or you're gay. He's gay. And it's a
it's a fascinating phenomenon that somebody can call a black
man gay as an attack, but also say they stand to defend a black
man sexuality. Oh, it's a dress that
totally messed up.
But it's, it's weird. It's weird that you know, at the same time,
that could be an attack. Yeah, say that men and men with the
same time you say you stand with the, you know, the LGBT cavity
is crazy. And it's very crazy. Let's go and continue on. And
the reason why I said it's the ruse, you were here and next to
clips listeners to part one.
Okay. Now, there's another part of this story that my producers
told me that while they were at your house, Terry the other day,
a huge bouquet of flowers arrived. That's what I was told
by the producer who was there. And they were from Jonathan.
Correct. Who had spent the night? Correct.
He had stayed over, but he didn't spend the night. He's
gay.
Okay, nothing happened. Basically,
nothing happened. But I heard there was some cuddling and
bathing and stuff going on. That's what I heard
when you want to know what what we have a really big bathtub.
I was on my side. And she was on her side. And the thing
is that Java see me with my clothes off for 10 years. Yeah.
Okay. And I know he doesn't have a tub where he is. Yeah. And it
was sort of like closure.
It's not like we came in what we lost Where is never going to
happen again. It was just kind of closure, as she said. Oh,
sure.
Are you? Are you on now? I'm French. Yeah.
I won't be
like fine. Yeah, we're getting there. But yeah, exactly. It's
gonna be weird. We're not gonna be weird, is we're just taking
our time,
you know, taking your time to do what not to kind of like thing
is what to kind of like, what
kind of like we acquaint ourselves with my new lifestyle.
And, you know, for her accepting me for who I am, basically.
And that was laughter back then too. Interesting.
Now, they Kiki and he said he's gay. Could you imagine the
audience going off and laughs they're gay? No. But at the same
time, she knew what he was, but she was it was a boy toy. Nah,
spirits like that out. It's like, hey, I'll pay you. You can
go out and do your thing kind of thing. As long as you take care
of me, it's called Sexual survivor. We talked about this a
long time ago. And it goes both ways. You have said heterosexual
man and participate in homosexual activities to survive
and then you have homosexual men that participate in heterosexual
activities to survive Yep, so that's what that's what's going
on I could say but this is someone
there's something about Oprah that I've always thought was off
something's not right. Something's not right about her.
rabbit hole goes so deep. I don't have a rope to pull it
out, but you got to break her off in pieces like cuz did she
her thumb is on the pulse. Here right? Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
The age rollout. Magic Johnson which we didn't talk about his
whole nother a whole nother part. But that's why they need
to download brother because they couldn't say see magic didn't
bring it home the cookie. Right. So they had to have an
explanation of how was jumping the you know, the barrier? If
everybody straight? What was the
explanation against the destination for magic?
No, what? Well, you know, it's it's she got lucky, basically.
But they stay married, which Yeah, I guess that's how you
don't get
another show another show? Yeah, I got another
show. So let's go ahead and wrap it up with Terry McMillan and
her ex husband.
I've already accepted you for who you are. On a different
level. Yeah, but you're not gonna be we're not gonna be
kicking it.
I know that we're not but I don't I don't want to kick it
with you. I don't don't I'm not taking the wrong way. I'm not
okay.
You're frustrated Are you? The thing is
I'm telling my side excuses frustrated Wait, bring telling
everybody mice? It's a two way thing you know that sometimes
she's always that always dominated the conversations with
us. Right.
Do you feel that you Were just when you were repressing your
homosexuality. I was, well, you live in a lie. But you know why?
And I And let me just say this Think before you answer this
question, right? Because there are a lot of young boys and
girls who are watching you and who need the truth who need just
the truth. And every time somebody tells the truth, you
free other people to also be truthful and so there's no
reason at this point to pretend anything. So the fact that
you're sitting here and the fact that you all now are on their
way to whatever it is y'all on your way to at least for every
other gay guy out there who's repressing and his feelings and
you know, at least honor who you are now honor that
I am honored Terry, give me credit. RNA my lifestyle, okay,
it's not hard letting everybody know about your sexuality,
especially being gay. I live the lifestyle of a heterosexual with
her. I loved her. Uh huh. unconditionally, up until the
point of years at end I mean two years before the end before
before we ended
mass master rollout of the original super spreader right
there wow okay, steel goes on to this day steel goes in that
term.
super spreader or spreader I mean, download that's that's the
equivalent like that's the equivalent to super spread
that's how that virus got into the heterosexual woman black
woman pool now it's not exclusively So black
is right so he's patient zero of the of the crossover.
Yes. Wow. And like I said, but it's only heterosexual men
because if you're openly gay a whole nother whole nother
problem. No problem is no problem. No problem. Because on
the hierarchy they rent they outrank yes that women
ah
so in in five clippies remember Oprah says there's whispers Yes.
Always something
nice. A lot of women have close friends very few have friends as
close as you describe that friendship to me. Oh,
okay
she is the mother I never had she is the sister everybody
would want she is the friend that everybody deserves I don't
know a better person I don't know. A better person.
Why is it making you cry? She
wasn't gonna cry here. It's making me cry because I'm
thinking about how much I probably have never told her
that. Tissue please. Anatomy tissue. I've never told her
that.
So when those to me dumb rumors come up. Then you are gay. A
gay? What do you say?
Well, I have said we are not gay. enough times. I'm not
lesbian. I'm not even kind of lesbian. And the reason why it
irritates me is because it means that somebody must think I'm
lying. That's number one. Number two. Why would you want to hide
it? That is that is not the way I run my life.
Ah, where would she be on the hierarchy if she was lesbian if
she came out?
Oh, she would be well I don't know the goat is long afterwards
okay to come out. Hmm, that's a tough one. But she will be Oh,
she will be over a gay man. Because she has two checks being
a woman and yes of course black with three checks three
checks. This is straight to rare triple.
Right. Off the top her is a maybe a trans black
man. Or if Oprah decided to become a man.
Oh, she she did that. She reached the pinnacle of putting
a cherry on all this to bring search circle phone calls.
Reverend Wright's church, allegedly was also set up to
Pair of people that were interested in same sex with
opposite sex.
Uh oh, really?
Yes. That's why Obama was allegedly going to that church,
right. Oh, man. You mean Barry just to break
excuse me, Barry. I just bring that full circle but that's
that's, oh man, my mess. This is not a COVID show.
It's not but it's also it's not a show. This show doesn't really
end here. Nor does it. Not it does not have a camera in here
because there's so much that you've uncovered. I really
appreciate the helping me understand how this how AIDS
still. The SIOP still lives in the minds. Hmm. And of course,
how that affects everything that's happening right now and
how pathetic all these efforts are that, you know, the media
efforts to try and you know, remove vaccine hesitancy This is
not hesitancy This is a baked in like valid fear.
And recent, like you said with giggy that was decades ago,
right? I mean, what's it Stella
Got Her Groove Back? Everybody knows that's pretty recent, you
know?
Right. So this is something I lived through. I didn't live
through Teskey right. I didn't live through Henrietta Lacks, I
lived through this. And my peers lived through this. So just want
to say that
so most thank you for this one. This is this I'm real proud of
this work, man. This is gonna this is good. This is real. This
is something that goes far beyond anything I could have
imagined me achieving in this podcast. People will want to
listen to this they'll want to share because it's kind of the
trifecta. And it sets you up for understanding a lot of the
forces in this world and the lizard people
and it lives with people and as I always say, pay attention to
everything and the truth reveal itself
and we will be back with you on the Lost Tapes Wednesday Moby
there for that of course go to more facts.com and episode
number 70 Come up on the next show. Have a good one mo thank
you so much man.
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