It's Moe Factz with Adam Curry for September 29 2021 it's
Episode Number 67 I'm Adam Curry here in the hearts of Texas Hill
Country my friend on the other end somewhere in Northern
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Standard, beautiful. Alright, everybody, it's episode number
67. Let's see. We'll get to the topic for today. Spin that wheel
of topics round and round. It goes where it stops. Nobody
knows. Mofaz knows, of course, because he put it together. The
topic for Episode Number 67
is the extremist ideology of Q anon has captured the minds and
imaginations of 10s of millions of Americans.
Okay, conspiracy. Gotta love it.
Or is it? Yeah.
Well, that's kind of, it's what I read the other day, it was a
great line, someone said, it's not a conspiracy. It's an actual
criminal conspiracy. I love stuff like that. I love it.
So what we're going to do is talk about the effects of q1 on
other misleading or misguiding efforts to take people into
binary thinking. So that's gonna be the theme of the show is
binary thinking how harmful it is, um,
yeah, I was reading something the other day was, is it a
conspiracy theory? Or is that an actual criminal conspiracy?
So what we're going to look at is the effects of binary
thinking and the harmful effects of binary thinking. And we're
going to look at through the lens of Q anon, and other
alleged government inspired honeypots I guess you would call
it or effort.
All right. So that could be against that could be an 18 hour
show? I think it could, but
for the listeners, for the producers. So what I want to do
is get into this new york times opinion about why we shouldn't
call it the Capitol, right? writers terrorist
witness yesterday was not dissent. They weren't
protesters. They were a riotous mob, insurrection, domestic
terrorists.
We don't have a domestic terrorism
law. We don't have any of the tools to battle domestic
terrorism.
I think it's time that we had a domestic terrorism statute,
that people who thought the Capitol definitely needs to face
consequences. They're filled with hate. But we should not
call them terrorists and we should not pass you anti
terrorism laws. Funny. In 2005, I was 16 years old, my apartment
was raided by the NYPD Terrorism Task Force, FBI they came, rip
the blankets off my head. My father and I were detained and
put in handcuffs the government suspected me of being a
potential suicide bomber. Oh, I was trying to avoid my emotions,
depression, fear, anger. I didn't do anything wrong, and I
was still treated as a criminal. I was honestly just a 16 year
old, typical six year old, my grades are great. My friends
were awesome. I was in a boy band.
I've heard so many stories I've read so many stories about this
is insane.
So this is our ma ba. And as she stated she was 16 years old when
they stormed her family's Harlem apartment, which that's going to
be an important part in this show. Just keep dispel that word
away. But even she was a victim of a lesbian alleged terrorists.
She wants to empathize and not call these people, humanizing.
She's human well, and then she ought Well, it's kind of self
of, you know, it's, she's doing a bit for herself. Because,
yeah, rice is only um, she said that war on terror will only
backfire on innocent black and brown people, which I can't
disagree with her. But it's a true, it's like one of the
things two things can be true. We shouldn't call people
terrorists, because when you start pointing the finger at one
group, like I said, they're going to come in and make
everybody get hit on with that label. So that's one of the
premises of the show.
Well, also, the definition of terrorism has some very specific
elements, you know, get it for you.
Was it political gain? Yeah,
I think it has to be. Yeah,
it's the key key part is for political gain. So um, yeah. So
I thought we'll open up with this. I will want to go back and
maybe go through some things that happened around 911 because
that's what's similar to what's going on now how we're doing
whole swaps or groups as alleged terrorists, yes. And how it
backfires on people? Um, any any questions or
well, very, very loaded there. Well, it probably as we go
along, let's let's see, let's see where we where we wind up
as a teaser. We'll get into one of your favorite warehouses the
six week cycle so. So I guess we'll go ahead and jump into
clip number three.
When I hear people say when you fix ban on one terror, or we
need to make new laws, it's an insult to me, because for some
reason, they found the laws to detain me and accuse me of
terrorism. And these people essentially passed the most
secured building in the country. Just fine. History shows that
have an anti terrorism laws just affect people like myself,
Timothy McVeigh, and Terry Nichols, former Army buddies
with a grudge against the government plan the bombing,
after the Oklahoma City bombing, President Clinton passed the law
given the FBI more power to go after terrorists. The law didn't
go after people that look like the Oklahoma City bomber.
From now on, we can quickly expel foreigners dare to come to
America and support terrorist activities.
The same thing happened with the Columbine shooter, mass
shootings at school were mostly done by white male. But after
the shooting, police presence increase in black and brown
schools. I want to call these white supremacists has done the
capital terrorists, but calling them terrorists just gives law
enforcement and other elected officials the ammunition to call
peaceful protesters, terrorists, people that look like me who are
brown, Muslim, black, those are the ones who are going to
actually be punished. We don't need new laws to fill with white
terrorists. The laws are there. Whether you want to apply to
certain people or not.
This is the same young lady. Yes. And how old is she? She's
16?
No, she was 16 when they raided her when they did the raid.
Right. I think she's maybe in her mid 20s. Now.
Okay, still? Yeah, I know a lot of mid 20s who don't talk that
to intelligently about these things. Right? Well,
I did a poor setup on the show. So let me rewind back. Like what
is he talking about the Q anon and, okay. There was a recent
news that came about with who was in the crowd at the January
6, yes, yeah. Yes. And reported it. That's why I use the clip
from New York. Time to set this up. Yes. And to repeat on
September 18. Recently, that of course, exactly right. So those
were those two occurrences. That was the genesis for the show to
lay it out. And I've been saying this, what she stated was, when
you start pointing the finger around, it's gonna get, it's
gonna blow back on everybody, and they're gonna be able to
blame it. Um, blame everybody with that label. And what people
may not know is when they hit you with that label, a lot of
your rights go away.
And how that works. Yeah,
yeah, so that's, that's why it's a big pet peeve of mine when
people throw that word around. Yeah, um, so loosely. So what we
got to do now is, we got to go back to show 31. And I believe
that was bi E. Bay. And we this is a vise clip, and it's talking
about the black identity extremist.
On August 3 2017, the FBI created the black identity
extremists assessment using the Dallas 2016 shooting, and five
other unrelated attacks on police as justification that
this movement exists.
Black identity extremists are now considered a domestic terror
threat by the FBI.
According to the FBI assessment, it was very likely that these
terrorists would target law enforcement officers in
retaliation for perceived police violence against African
Americans. Definitely to the assessment classifying the group
as a domestic terror organization, the FBI is able to
justify any invasive surveillance tactics used in
monitoring these targeted individuals.
Yeah, this actually goes back I do need to mention this this
goes back to post 911 actually, I think this happened yeah,
during President Obama's time in office, a National Defense
Authorization Act came out and there was this whole definition
of it was it was domestic it wasn't domestic terrorists, but
it was they had all kinds of weird terms and it's really easy
to call anybody that and that meant that they could roast you
know, black black bag and take it to Guantanamo even if they
want to
or surveil you any kind of manner manners that kind of
circumvent your rights. And what I find most dangerous is the
label of conspiracy theories you know kind of gets you on that
list which I've always identified myself as a
conspiracy analyst Yes, I don't create a theory for anybody out
there listening I just only analyze them that's right um, we
were very dangerous times. I don't want to be alarmist but
now let's just stop Of course just I mean I get every day 15
emails from people who because of their government to have to
leave their job you know that by itself forget calling someone a
domestic terrorist. That's the power that is now on the table.
It's out of control.
It definitely is and I can always say it starts with us so
no one stood up and when they was the one that's labor around
now I have some questions about this a gorilla mainframe the
name of it how vice covered it just in the way this whole piece
was set up by Vice I found it troubling and please go listen
this episode 31 it was some fascinating things on there
about the the shooters that expired this label down in Baton
Rouge Baton Rouge in Dallas with gang stalking and those kinds of
things um, it is the only thing I can say is this is surreal I
don't think we felt like this and not 11 because it was an
earthen dam kind of thing you know it was like do what you
need to do and no it's partly to blame
now it's us us and our neighbor and what it's could be anybody
that's I think that's the point I mean I I've become very
cynical now. I just think oh this has got to be purposeful
This is not a mistake anymore.
Yeah. And as you said people are losing their jobs every day and
will that inspire people to take action? I don't want to put that
out in the universe but just it definitely can be some weird
things are happening I'm looking at Tennessee I'm still do my
homework on that one, but it's some definite raw material they
can use the lock down even more own question authority. And and
I have a real issue with that because I've been following this
for a long time. So let's go and get to that second throwback
clip from this piece, and we'll move along with the show.
There's this perception that the government promotes that we are
in a stage of critical emergency because of terrorism and Because
they get more power, and in order to retain that power they
need to find more terrorists. One of
the most outspoken critics of the black identity extremists
assessment is Michael German, a former FBI agent who did
undercover work on white supremacists and right wing
militias in the 90s. He's now a fellow for the Brennan Center
for Justice. What incentive? Do you believe that the FBI has to
make a label like black identity extremists,
a person cannot be targeted for investigation based solely on
first amendment activity. So by creating this black identity
extremism movement, they can use that as the justification to
then target any activists who were any black person who was
protesting police violence. One of my problems with this kind of
intelligence report is these are six disparate acts of violence,
that they try to mold into a movement. there was really
nothing connecting them except the fact that they killed police
officers in the fact that they were black.
First of all, I'm always surprised how I don't even
remember some clips when you go back. 30 episodes like wow,
okay. A lot of them. I do remember this one, I
remember.
Yeah, so that was it. It's just you, we can't just do that if
you're just a single person. But now if we can connect you to a
group and give you a name, now you're talking
now now we're cooking and then the scary part about it, because
in our connected world, um, social media and whatnot, they
might look at your fault. I mean, I have a habit of
following everybody back that follows me. And could that
possibly be an issue down the road like all he was followed by
so and so so and so let's throw him on a list. Like I said, I
find it very troubling. But this is nothing new to me. I'm
previous to your show. Okay. When I used to listen, when I
first listened, no agenda now. Now we can discuss the six week
cycle. Okay, yes, we use when we use, Bert, you and john first
started talking about that. It was not when you first start
talking about when I first heard about it. I was like, Oh, yeah,
that's like the Newburgh thing. Right. Have you ever heard of
the Newburgh thing?
No, I don't think so. What is it? Oh, well.
It's gonna be a perfect example what the six week cycle is, it
was an HBO documentary on homegrown terrorist. So I saw
this may be 2000. And I want to say 2000 single digits. I can't
remember the year exactly when I saw it. But I was like, it blew
it blew my mind because I was like, wow, like, I mean, you. We
know these things. We know she'll,
she'll explain that the six week cycle real quickly, please. Yes.
So the six week cycle was told to was conveyed to me by
someone, let's just say intimate with the, with the FBI,
certainly with the Dallas Bureau. And the the basic
concept is, the FBI for quite a while, every six weeks had to
have some kind of event taking place to justify their entire
means for existence. And that is, it appears that's a lot of
what they do. And if you read the affidavits, every single
time there's some bozo who want to blow something up. It turns
out that the FBI was talking to this person, either through a
confidential informant or themselves for a year setting
them up, you know, egging them on text messaging, oh, you know,
wouldn't you want to blow something up, and then they help
them out, get weaponry, and then they give them the van and they
put help them put the stuff in the truck, and they give him a
bogus remote control and doesn't work and they arrest him, and
then they've saved the day. And then six weeks from now, rinse,
repeat, and do it all over again. And that is the case with
so many of the FBI, big announcements. It's like, What
are you talking about? You guys totally set that up.
And let's humanize the FBI right quick. So,
okay, that's hard. That's hard. That's hard. Okay.
There's no reason why I'm saying they say they're acting in good
faith. We say, well, we have a gut feeling that these people
are bad. So before they do something bad, let's be
proactive now and walk them into a trap. I still don't agree with
that. Because as we said in The Cosby Show, if you violate
someone's rights, even if it's beneficial to me, that's not a
win.
Oh, no, no, I mean, it's disgusting, because instead what
they should be doing is saying, hey, son, you seem a little
radicalized. You know, cut that shit out. Maybe you should talk
to somebody, we've got our eye on you. Instead, they absolutely
egg them on. It's one of the most disgusting things and no
one ever discusses it. I guess mainstream never looked at the
affidavits. I mean, it's all there.
We'll get your barf bag and going all right.
Welcome back. A new documentary premiered on HBO this week
called the Newburgh sting. Now it focuses on the FBI
investigation and conviction of four men from Newburgh, New York
for plotting an act of domestic terrorism but was this thing
really a setup and were the men more guilty of simple greed and
idiocy than actual terrorism? Now I spoke with CO director
David heilbroner about his findings. I remember covering
this story at the time and I remember what seemed to be an
endless amount of squad cars, the SWAT teams the aerial
footage and at the time, it was Exhibit A and busting up a
terror ring and no politician within an area code couldn't
afford to get in front of the cameras to talk about how they
just busted up an imminent threat at the time but the more
you read into it I remember at the time you starting to say
yourself Wait a second. What is the game that could shoot
straight now you look at it exactly.
Wait a minute what those the guys who couldn't do anything?
Yeah. So when I heard you first mentioned this on the show,
yeah. This is what popped into my head and new Berg's thing and
it was right exactly so even more to the no agenda show but
it's what we see now. A lot of those people at one six I know
people I know right now people are rolling their eyes like why
is he trying to humanize because it's gonna happen to both sides
these things don't happen in a vacuum is gonna happen we saw
Black Eyed bi E's came first. Now is why identity extremists
deviant deviant What does that stand for?
domestic violent extremist.
Okay, so as a Friday just go out and go all out for the white
army but that will probably be
well it'll be it's just it's implied now. DVE is implied to
be white.
That's interesting. I didn't go out for full hog on that one.
I'm
not yet there's always there's always this time left I'm sure.
Well, domestic opens up I mean, domestic opens up to any
nationalists. Yeah. So I mean, no matter no matter of race. Um,
so I guess that's why they went that route, but soon there's
gonna be medical extremists. Us and there's gonna be no
religious extremists. Those kinds of things. So
well, we already have anti vaxxers. Which, yeah, sure.
There's some real people who are absolutely anti vaxxers. But
people who just don't want this vaccination doesn't mean they're
anti Vax. But that's, I mean, our president is saying that our
Vice President is saying that it's the same it's the same
thing, it's just as bad.
And it's two problems I have with that one. It's not a
vaccine. So every time we say that, it it irks me, too. I
can't be anti vaccine if my kids got their school that's two
shots. So I mean that that in itself is a problem right? Three
well I said two things but the third one is your your natural
immunity. Exactly. If I have natural immunity, that it made
me any vaccine that just thinks my body is superior to something
or something that drug company can give me but I don't want to
get on a tangent but I'm just saying this is a very dangerous
slope is except the group thing. Or you know, get ran over but
let me get to my issue of binary thinking before we continue on
okay. I think this is how they programmed society. You're a
computer whiz um, you program computers with ones and zeros?
Yeah. They need people own binary Are you pro there sir?
anti this you know if that's it, there's no nuance there's no
room for any Yeah, it's Black Widow grants black,
white, red, blue, pro anti right,
that their programming society. And to do that you they can't
have you come and have a nuanced conversation, because that gets
into fuzzy logic. Yeah, no
haves no have Z's or anything like that. You can't do that. No
decimal points.
Of course not. Because you know why? And when we're gonna go,
we're gonna go there early today. If you're trying to
automate everything, computers can't handle that AI can't
handle that. They need you to be binary so they can replace you.
I'm gonna say that again. Yeah,
roll that by me one more time.
They need you to be binaries so they can replace you. I computer
struggles with nuance. That's why AI is so far behind the
human mind. It's because the human mind can look at something
and see shades of gray. They need us to be ones and zeros. So
that that point will become this is this is when we merge with
machines. When we lose that ability logic,
let me just know a little bit of conspiracy therapy on both of us
here. Okay. Have you seen the Spartacus letter? No, I haven't.
The Spartacus letter went out yesterday. It's a PDF. I think
the PDF is already deleted from the Google Drive or whatever.
But it's posted everywhere. And it's a group of people and they
lay out and there's like, We're a group, you know, we're
doctors, all this stuff. I think they're also clearly lawyers.
And you just call a Spartacus and we're so sick and tired of
this. And they in this whole thing runs down everything about
the flu, about the lab, but but really detailed, and I know
enough about the the non technical medical stuff, and
I've read enough of the medical stuff that you know, it's
obviously serious, and you know, I can only debunk what I know,
but at a certain point, they talk about the gain of function
research, because actually, this paper says the vaccine and the
virus were created by the same people. And the Peter it was eco
Health Alliance, or whatever, Peter datsik. And they hired
some other mofos. Bottom line is that guy who was responsible for
a large part of the mRNA vaccine for Madonna or bio and tech, he,
he is deeply involved with another company, which is
literally interfacing wire electrodes onto the brain, the
same stuff Ilan Musk is doing only I think these guys are
actually a little bit further,
right. So instead of stepping up their technology they dumbed
down to human to binary decisions or or prepared
prepared the human with an interface. I mean, if it's true,
some of the stuff I've been reading, if any of that is true,
like the graphene oxide, I mean, it sounds like a huge conspiracy
theory, everybody. But you know, you know what,
if you want to merge a human brain computer, it's only two
choices, the way they communicate with each other.
Well, I know,
hold on, unless it's quantum. If it's quantum that changes, but
that's neither here nor there. Your point is binary is
easier. It's easy to make people dumber. smarter. That's what
they're banking on. It's like, Oh, yeah, you're saying it's
dumbed down the human brain to binary ones and zeros. And then
when we merge them with computers, or I mean, we're not
what I'm saying merging with computers. That's even nudging
I'm not even I'm not even talking to the to the whole
transhumanism thing yet. I'm just saying when you want to
control society, is making notice the things that give us
Do you watch the back of your dish? Or no? Do you know do you
wash your legs? Or no, I mean, local news is full of these Yes.
And no poll questions, right? That, you know, that are
programming us to thinking yes or no circumstances and not
like, Well, let me let me think about it for a minute. Well, it
can be nuanced that conversate No, no, they don't want that.
But we'll be here for all night, if that's what this is. This is
the premise of this show, is to combat against binary thinking,
and we're going somewhere. But let's get back to the new birth
thing to
now you look at it in this film, and I want to play the first
clip about what the original intentions of the group were.
And then you can give us some context on if this clip is again
from some of the participants early on in the process, and
just how far they were willing to go at that point. Let's play
the first clip.
David Williams comes in. And Shahad Hussain says, Let's go to
the airport at Stewart Air Force Base. So they drive up to the
airport and they look at the planes stood Air Force Base is
the base that sends your National Guard and National
Guard troops at the time over to Iraq and Afghanistan. And Shahad
Hussein says we should blow up one of these. How do you blow up
one of these? Well, I can get you a message help
us out give a little context. The informant that we're tying
Mr. sain here, he went out of his way to recruit these guys
give an idea if you could for our audience where he found them
and how this quickly began an idea of Alright, let's try and
destroy property into obviously what we saw on that arrest of
may 2009.
sure of it. Let me set the scene right off the bat, which is this
took place in the town of Newburgh, New York, and I don't
know how many of your viewers know Newberg, but it's an
impoverished town. Probably 30% unemployment. Most of the houses
are boarded up. It's someone once referred to as Camden, New
Jersey on the Hudson. And into this destitute community comes a
man who's on the FBI payroll, who's on the lam. He himself is
on the lam from committing fraud at a DMV office in Albany, and
the FBI says to him if you can bring us terrorists. Yeah, we'll
pay you and if you can get convictions, we'll give you a
bonus.
Oh, there you go. This guy man. This guy's a great this bring it
bring them
on in you can refer a friend to terrorism and you get 50 bucks I
mean what a bargain but reason why I'm bringing people like why
are you going back because we all were victim to this around
911 it's like go kill brown people yeah they crashed our
buildings no I mean nobody stood up because we were given a
binary decision right either if you question you're not a
patriot that was the key thing that you're not a patriot you're
not a patriot right you know and you people were scared to even
like why are we in Iraq if all you're you're not a patriot? Are
you one of them? And that's we were there and everybody got
caught up in nobody and when I say everybody I mean the people
that had a voice to stand up um you saw all the you know, yeah,
that's when the jet started flying over football stadiums
and Oh yeah, we became this militaristic you know juggernaut
well we kind of already who were a militaristic juggernaut but oh
yeah and but it was also I've been around long enough that's
that's how America tries to heal and and I think that was the
last time that will ever ever work and it didn't really work
that long either you know there's so much coming out
people remember the all the lies and it's in an odd way you know
yeah it's good because we have to recognize what the truth is
but you know it's so uniquely American The bombs bursting in
air the jets flying by you know salute our troops it's it's
that's the that's the psychosis of our culture
well we didn't have a we didn't have a real enemy then though
that's what I'm what are we try No no no we're happy
yeah we were still still vibing on World War Two I mean let's
let's not let's overlook Vietnam etc let's not take a look at
anything that happened there Korean War
yeah cuz that was that was not a voluntary war for a lot of
people to fall in so that's that's why it's kind of I mean
that's kind of tainted Vietnam warriors for you know America
we also we also didn't win anything we sucked everybody
lost in that the world war two at least we could claim victory
and you know, we save the world and you know, Hey, no problem
world. We're cool is we're America.
And then the first day the storm was over so fast. Um, yeah. We
had to create like the, like the generals for the Harlem
Globetrotters. Right. You know, okay. Yeah, that's what
happened. And we all got caught up in it. Seriously in this,
remember the yellow ribbons and those kind of things, and it's,
and there's nothing against the truth. And that's not what I'm
saying. What I'm saying is we got caught up in revenge, and
somebody had to pay and somebody had to be to blame that when
things like the Newberg thing happened. Nobody questioned it.
Um, it was Oh, yeah, they're all Mandy right at home. They're
right there right next door. Yeah, you know, I'll get Give,
give her apparatus more money. And we're more power. And now
what I'm saying is, I'm drawing a parallel to what's going on
now. Will you look at what happened January 6. Trust me,
it's, it's a it's a threat to be worried about, and they weren't
in there that day. I'm just gonna say it like,
Oh, absolutely. I mean, the I don't know if I'm moving ahead
of anything. But now the leader of the oathkeepers. He's not
even named in any indictment. He's just person number one,
even though he clearly should be indicted along with everybody
else under the same, you know, equal, equal handling. And he's
not, you know, and the FBI is even as far as I know, I've even
admitted that. Well, you know, there was at least 12, maybe
more. We're not going to prosecute anybody over there
from that group, just in case, you know, turns out bad that it
was FBI and yeah, there's all kinds of this. There's a lot of
circumstantial and video evidence of the FBI being
Anjouan provocateurs,
and this wouldn't have been a show, but I think you said a
September 18 I don't remember the date. The one that happened
recently. Yeah, yeah. That means immediate frustration with the
show up with me got to the point is like he got to the point
where, oh, y'all are scared, huh? Yeah, y'all are scared. Oh,
yeah. No, like, you know how you bully try to provoke you. It's
like, Oh, yeah, you're scared to come out of your house, you
know, that kind of thing. So they were the media was really
aggravated that nobody showed up. And the one guy that got
arrested, was
he had a gun in his back. Did you see the picture of like
those five guys standing around all dressed identical, same
hair. You know, obvious bulge in their pants where they got a
small Glock, who told him total left his same watches Oh, Okay
boys.
And we've seen the same thing in Afghanistan I saw a picture that
with, it was like three guys walking in like one guy had
perfect trigger or winch control. And like,
the new Taliban Yeah, the new Taliban is all indexing
properly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the new guys. They know how to
do it all of a sudden, you know, it's it's didn't take much
training, they just figured it out. Good to go.
So I'm just saying we're seeing all this but I think that people
are wising up to it. And it's frustrating the media because
they don't have the power that they used to. Because if you had
to alternate and I hate that word with the media, or the
alternative media or not mainstream media, then it would
be quickly called out. Oh, yeah. But they're being derailed by
another narrative, and they're throwing a tantrum, which
worries me that worries me more than anything because when they
start to throw attention is very problematic. So I guess we can
get to the third new neuberg clip.
So this man is Shahid Hussain, and he comes to Newburgh,
looking for terrorists, and he spends months hanging out at the
local mosque not finding any buddy. Until one day he crosses
the path of the local blowhard. James comedy comedy is a low
level marijuana dealer whose only means of employment is he's
a night clerk at Walmart makes about $14,000 a year and
probably will say anything crummy brag to your head, you
sane about blowing up police stations, he bragged about
committing murders, none of which he did if the FBI had
bothered to check, they would see that the guy is just you
know, he's like Jackie Gleason from The Honeymooners. If that
needs to be a little bit, but he's a big talker, but she hated
saying, hey, I've got someone who might actually go along with
us. So Hussein pursues comedy for months and says we need more
people. We need more bodies. Come on, let's get a conspiracy
going. Crowley can't find anybody. And Hussein eventually
when comedy just crapped out on him nothing nothing seems to be
happening. Hussein says listen I can get you $250,000 we can take
trips all over the country when this is done I can get you cars
I can buy you a barbershop. You know, James Crombie all of a
sudden gets really interested and brings in three guys from
New burns.
First of all 250 grand usually informants are authorized up to
$5,000 so how all of a sudden you know he did multiple 50
times this I guess is part of the question he said that was
code I never figured that one out throughout the process but
it also turns out that Hussein didn't record everything so at
the end of the day those blanks in this really have to be filled
in by the Fed so in effect take Hussein's word for it
I can't believe I missed this whole thing never heard of this
Oh, and I forgot to tell you they were all black guys.
Oh no, I think I figured that of course you know,
I'm saying so but that's that's the weird thing about it was it
didn't get the media coverage at all I think it was I think it
was so poorly put together that they were like take our wind and
go home
I was like hey, we need a conspiracy here let's cook one
up brother's got to do it.
So it's just fascinating that like I said, You're you you blew
my mind when I first heard about six weeks ago but I hadn't knew
about this story and I knew about past history that we're
going to get into a little later of events like this happening
that issues if a man is a scary what it is that you can go into
poor neighborhoods and throw around a quarter million dollars
to a god it makes $14,000 a year and you don't think he's going
to bite on it even if even if he's a teaches a lie. I was
gonna say what you got me. You got me.
It's better than podcasting. I mean, come on. It's like, yeah,
you get anyone's attention.
It's amazing. So what now we're going to go over to the Muslim
Public Affairs Council the impact and make they do their
own coverage on the Newburgh thing.
We have breaking news the FBI says it has thwarted a terror
plot we
targeted for individuals that planned and scheme to bomb to
Jewish facilities here in the Bronx, and also to take down
military aircraft of at the Stewart airport. They stated
that they
wanted to commit jihad. Prosecutors described the
suspects as extremely violent men who embraced every
opportunity for terrorism. Investigators say the four
Muslim men met in prison and hatch the terrorist plot at a
local mosque.
I remember he was sitting right over here on that side, and
there was a chip on the table here. And he made his statements
that a woman should not be seen or heard. And it was just like,
Is this how he introduced yourself to us? He's gonna tell
us women should be you should not be seen or heard.
You would ask about jihad. you'd ask about a holy war. I did tell
different individuals assess stay the hell away from him.
Somebody write about it.
He hung around long enough to be able to get somebody to buy and
test by
someone like Mr. Cromartie who had spent his entire life in
poverty, trying to support himself as a very low level
marijuana dealer, Mr. shakey who's saying well that was a
very big thing to him
it was crazy all these different news media started converging
onto the property and automatically I knew it was
manufactured I was the first one to say that this was entrapment
wow this is good
and as the media they said the media is working hand in hand
with these letter are these letter a three letter agencies
three letter three letter agencies they're they're a you
want a good story you want to scoop? Meet me down in Newburgh.
Roger stone, when you're in Florida, they raided his house
at five in the morning. And they called CNN.
And that's the that was the point I made about Cosby as
well, that when they want to make a statement and through the
media, these organizations work together. Oh, yeah, I'm one if
you make you make an enemy, then I can report on it. So it's
always a it's mutually beneficial to both parties. You
get the scoop, you know, if it bleeds, it leads, and I get to I
get to feed the machine. The fear machine that know begets
more fear. And I think it's I said that if it's going on now
then it has to be going on now. And some dupes are out there.
Right as we speak, getting duped again. Yeah, getting duped.
Yeah.
And what it also does is it makes people fear to assemble,
including myself. I would love to intermingle with people. But
as you know, you're saying I don't do groups? I don't I'm
because I am smart enough or paranoid enough which share what
you want to put it. That I know, all it takes is a snapshot with
your arm around somebody or the arm around you. That's all it
takes. And and they can build a story or narrative off of that
image. Like oh, look at them, you know, look at Oh, look at
this guy look no mo facts with this guy over here. And I don't
know him from a campaign. But there you have it, you know, and
you shouldn't have to live like that. But this is the you know,
the oppression of fear.
Yeah, and it's and you're right, it's for everybody. The color
doesn't mean much. Although DVDs, man, it's really white
guys. There's no black people there. Well,
you know, I'm gonna say it like this, if they can make Larry
elder white, a white supremacist. Yeah.
He was he was the black face of white supremacy. That was the
line now beautiful. How
if I can do that, and then medius report that with a
straight face. And like I said, I have my issue with someone who
takes very elder has, but if they can read it, they can make
people believe that they can easily make you into D DVE. So
let's get into the final clip from the impact. The government
made this movie and I believe, except I know how the movies
made. The arrest itself was a well staged event, I think
Hollywood would have been quite proud. Everything was designed
so that every newspaper in New York could say the FBI made a
big arrest. It's the best press standing next to the really bad
guy. When you caught him before there's a crime. Everybody wants
to say, I saved America.
The mood within the FBI after 911 was that the rules don't
apply
anymore. But the one message that was clear, and for me and
the other FBI executives at the time it was there will be no
tolerance for another terrorist attack in this country under any
circumstances.
The more I started to see what the government had done in here,
and what the FBI had done here, you realize everybody does
really, really, really ugly things. And once you see
something like that you can't unsee it.
It could be people did. You know nobody told somebody to be in a
clean, clean and clean.
Closing. Yeah, it will destroy property. You want to Yeah,
he'll tell you that But they tried to say my son was a
ruthless killer.
What David they talking about? They when I found out how
devious the government really is, and he was like, well, your
son's in tears. I said, No, you're the terrorists. You go
home and look in the mirror. You created this whole scene.
created a
movie as well. Yeah, yeah, it's it's quite easy these days.
And now that you don't need the AI, you needed some footage from
my cell phone camera. And you can use social media, you know.
It's even more dangerous. Because it's Yeah, you could
take any angle, I mean, any angle from anything, and make it
look like you want to make it look and make a call out to me.
And then any new story, you throw a couple 1000 bots against
it. And john and i have always said, the internet made it, you
know, didn't really make it better for freedom and free
speech. It made it that much easier for the government to
propagandize.
That's true, but I had to push back against that because it
gets put on equal footing. Well, that's
okay. pushing back to your push back. If you go look at the
2000s for Satan, maybe it's 2009 or something 2008 2009 Time
Magazine. Zuckerberg was Man of the Year. And in that article,
Robert Muller pops his head into Zuckerberg office during the
interview and says hey, you know, I was just in my office
here in the in the building. Now Mahler was director of FBI at
the time. He was the director of FBI and had his own office in
the Facebook building.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is we got two guys with two
microphones and a laptop Okay,
okay. Yeah, yeah, of course that obviously
that's a problem that's that's the problem. We're seeing Oh,
this
is why I built podcasting. 2.0 I need to protect us. Yeah,
yeah. And they never thought that I'll make I gotta make make
these two points. I don't know I don't want to be laboring, but
we have to, we can't let it slip past one with the new birth
situation. If you make black people the face of something.
You're going to get a segment of society behind it. To rail
against it. I'm going to give you an example Haiti, the border
Yeah, millions came in brown people came into this country
freely. Afghans unvetted came to this country field freely. We'll
let 20,000 Haitians show up now we of course know on this show
that all black people are not the same as far as you have a
das not a das Haitians whatever but to the viewing audience you
see a there was a horde of black people head towards the border
Oh everybody got in line. Oh no, no, I was turning around the
border count them around the border now.
Well, hold on a second. Again. We have to be careful because
this was a little different than that because it's been a
continuous stream of people coming in this 20 30,000 person
group from Haiti which were always identified as Haitians in
every news report it was really fox news that push this I'm so
this was you know what what was different was you had a huge
amount it was your streaming across the river. I personally I
have a feeling that that's yes you're right there's always
gonna be someone but living in Texas and I live in the hill
country and you know so this is not your typical Austin people.
They really are more angry about just the fact that it's
happening then who it is is contingent yes but it's it's
it's I don't really feel like that.
No the Texans were like stop everybody knows I'm even pro
strong border. The point I'm making is if you want to stop
say okay, now now I'm about to get crispy I don't do
conspiracies but let's just say for instance, that you want to
stop illegal immigration say Dang, we blew out the border,
how do we stop it right? Send 20,000 blacks to the border. If
we stopped then we can stop everybody. Because the view of
and I'm just just telling you because the same thing with an
Uber case. When you make black people the face of something.
It's a little more scary to a certain segment of society now
people on the border even myself, I'm like nobody should
come here we're saying the wrong way. You know, I'm pro strong
border because that's more competition. unfair competition
is introduced to the you know, into the ecosystem of Our
economy. But what I'm saying is the optics of it scares the
crap. I don't know why. I do know why, but I don't know why
it scared the crap out of not the conservative side, but the
liberal side. Notice they had no problem with saying turn them
around in the border. And who and I'm gonna say this who lives
under a bridge? A person went out of home, that was symbolic.
I don't know, y'all have a home here, come around. Um, that's
just my view of it. Um, like I said, you can push back on it,
but that's how I
see it. I don't have any evidence one way or the other
adjust what's around me? And in this particular case, not when
it when it's when it's brown people, I think that it's more
prevalent, because as African Mexicans are coming, even though
they're from completely different countries, just this
one particular case, I'm not so sure. I mean, you you may have,
you clearly have a different experience. It's just it's been
so posted. This is Haiti annotations and, and the M five
M is lying about them coming from their earthquake country.
So there's a lot of focus to make it softer, in a way is what
I'm feeling. I understand your point. I just don't know if if
it subconscious
or how to show for another day, but I just want to make that my
perception of It's fine.
It's fine. Yeah.
My perception is when you when you make it a darker hue. It's a
problem. Now we flew people in from Afghanistan. Now we were
talking about terrorism now manufactured terrorism. It with
the new Berg thing, but we're bringing people in unvetted no
problem. Yeah,
no problem. But hold on, because I follow this, that that news of
the Afghan of Afghans being brought in, which was starting
to create an outrage, by the way, a lot of Afghans not brown
just so everybody knows, you know, there's a lot of white
Afghans. Yeah. But that was overshadowed by the Haitians as
a new story. So that so I think that people's focus was turned
away, maybe purposefully, because, yeah, there were
stories about, there was a couple of Afghans who
immediately had to be deported because they were criminals.
So that we needed a weapon that is give me a weapon tail and
token people. basis. So yeah, I'm just saying, that's just a
perception of mine. It's like branding. If you want to brand
it a certain guy, I gotta let people do and the reason why I
brought it up, I didn't want to bring hate into too much. But I
think they tried that with this case, because I don't know if
it's known to you or not, we're in every president in a made the
point is that they met in prison. In every major prison.
There's a Muslim population of black men. Yes. So it's like,
oh, we had a whole terrorist nail in every image, every
prison like this. This is this is a real Bonanza.
I remember I remember hearing this after 911. So probably
2000 567 that there was a lot of this talk.
Yeah. So I mean, I think it flopped. Flat hard. Now. You
brought up Mueller. Is that Mueller akin to john Mueller,
the senior fellow at the cato institute? I don't know. I don't
know if he is or not.
I don't know.
I have a clip of john Mueller speaking on the new Burke's
thing.
Yeah, what I've been doing is a set of case studies had been
mentioned, which are of every case since 911, in which there
has been an Islamic terrorist who has either who is apparently
tried to do damage within the United States. This had included
not only terrorists in the United States, like the Hamburg
people by the Newbern people, but also the people of like the
shoe bomber, and so forth, people who are based overseas.
So there's 70, there's now 70 cases, and there's a flyer out
there if you didn't pick it up with 69 cases, but one just
happened over the weekend. So there are now 70 cases that
we'll be looking at. And most of them have failed to fully
developed case studies. The the case seems to be fairly unique
this particular case or especial in several respects, but two in
particular stand out to me. One is the first time the FBI
actually went to actually have them push the button.
Previously, when they had an formance by the way of the 70
cases or so more than half of them have insight you have
informants people working in the play, not just looking at it
from outside surveilling it, but actually looking within the plot
of the night 19 cases since 2010 or so the 19 cases in this
decade. 15 of them have been types of with the with the with
an informant working on site. At any rate in the early days, they
basically just getting information about this guy wants
to do something and then they tried to bring court cases, then
he got closer to actually giving them weapons or having to take
weapons. Oh
my god, this is this is a great explanation of the entire six
weeks cycle concept This is fantastic.
But like you said and I didn't leave you That's why I'll let
you speak about pushing the button. But this is one of the
first cases on record was like oh we got to get him at the
scene right actually pressing the button because it's getting
harder and harder to try these cases where you know where she's
an alleged attack this was plant with story is the word he like
to use this story.
Robert Mueller has four younger sisters no brothers, so
all right. Never Mueller. Yeah, different one. All right. So um,
I guess we can get back into the second clip or john.
It turns out the government did absolutely everything that had
fans predicted in his previous motion dismisses indictment, the
government indisputably manufactured the crimes of which
is the defendant stand convicted. And they did all the
details. There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that
James promethee could never have dreamed of this scenario, which
actually became he actually became involved in and if by
some chance he did, he would not have had the slightest idea of
how to make it happen. I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt,
which is extreme, you know, not vague, without beyond a shadow
of a doubt that there would never been a crime here except
the government instigated planned it and brought it to
fruition now she also points out a couple of ingenious things
that the government did do one was they basically made it so
that these guys would get their weapons in Connecticut so that
made it a federal case that he went outside of New York and the
other thing they did was essentially pursue the idea of
bombing with a stinger missile shooting a plane which presuming
on the ground with nobody in it, it was flying these guys would
never in a million years be able to hit it they probably couldn't
hit it even they're standing right next to it on the ground.
But at any rate, she then basically they they did this the
stinger missile thing which as pointed out earlier, minimized
or modified your sentence if you tried to take it on an aeroplane
or planning to do it so in many respects the government made
that happen because they didn't have to do the stinger missile
they could did something else like blowing up a bridge or
something like it was originally there. The The promisee was
incapable of committing an act of terrorism on his own and the
the informant was a prime mover instigator of the of the
criminal activity
I remember this now. I totally remember this with the Stinger
missiles I think that was doing that at LaGuardia or something
I think it was the Air Force Base I'm not possible it's
possible yes I remember this Yeah, so that's that's the whole
point. And then they also had the sprinkling and synagogues.
On the way to the airport we're gonna knock off a couple of
synagogues was added to get certain people alarmed in power
so I mean, it's like a dog whistle pay attention pay
attention, right. So we all know what that what that percent
equates to when they throw the synagogues in there. Um, but
yeah, I mean this this is a john Mueller. He said this is the
first time that they had people on the inside working. Well,
obviously he didn't know. Darth Darth Perry, which he. This is a
throwback clip from 41. Just about and it was a record air.
This interview aired in 1980. He did most of his actions in the
late 60s early 70s. ex ex FBI informant talks infiltration.
In the summer of 1978, I interviewed a man who worked as
an informant for the FBI during the 1960s. His name is Darth
aard. Perry, also known as Ed Riggs, also known as Bill Perry,
also known as Othello. How are you paid? the pay was always in
cash, cash and you would sign a card, it would go like this a
rendezvous or a drop off point would be picked out either by
yourself or the agent, he would meet the agent there. Usually it
would be in a vehicle you get in the vehicle, he would hand you
the money, he would tell you first to count the money. He
would tell you the amount while you counted. The amount was
there he would then bring out a card on that card would be for
the week of such in session. In other words, the week was dated
so and so has been paid the amount of then you would sign
the card and then the agent would sign the car. The reason
for this is that if all of a sudden the IRS became very
interested about where you were getting all this extra money
from, you could always tell them to go back to the Bureau and the
bureau would have your cars on file.
Yeah, my goodness.
So this was this was going on in the 60s we you know, of course
what cointelpro and those things and this guy was setting setting
the fire In intermingling with,
imagine how sophisticated this stuff is now, considering how
long they've been pulling these scams.
Yeah, but I think it works because that is not
sophisticated. It's poor people cash, you can get into places
that we can't. Hmm. And that that's the nuance we're talking
about the humans have that, you know, even with technology, its
limitations, right? Um, yeah, it's certain limitations that
you can, you can't, if somebody approaches approaches you
online, it's a little different when somebody approaches you in
person, right? That's why these people are so valuable to these
three letter agencies. Right. So yeah, so you hear you heard him
saying yourself? So let's get into the second part of this
clip.
With such things as bonuses, Oh, yes. What were they paid for?
bonuses were paid for? Suppose while you were meeting with, or
you were at a meeting with Bobby seals, to lie, the Red Army
happened to come to the meeting to which is something which
would be new development as the best bonus time? In other words,
a hard piece of information, IPS very happy. Did you ever suffer
pangs of conscience? Quite a few times. Quite a few times. I
still suffer pain as a conscious. I suffer from the
fact that a lot of people trusted me. And I misused that
trust. I suffer from the fact that a lot of information that I
gave out was the undoing of certain groups or certain
people.
Sound familiar? to folks, DVDs, weapons to the bottom,
you as you always say it's, it's you first what you do hold the
door open, we are
in the wrong door, this is the wrong door you want to go
through. You don't want to go through this door because as we
saw with the proud boys, they had the leader who was an afro
Latino, he was working with the feds, right? allegedly right?
Um, and they brought him in like right before that he couldn't be
at the one six a protest, like, Oh, no, no, no, we found you
with some kind of magazines or something. We're taking you out
the game, you know, that kind of thing. And, like I said, we saw
this with the mob, we saw there's all kinds of groups,
either political or just criminal with these
infiltrators, um, and like I said, I just want to humanize
because they maybe they're saying, Oh, well, it's for the
greater good, but you can't circumvent people's rights.
That's my issue with it, you know, do it the right way. If
you want to catch people do it the right way. Um,
but, yes. You mean like, do it legally do your job properly and
stop mucking around?
Right, don't know, infringe on people, right? I'm big on
rights. Because when I go into courtroom, I would hope to have
all mine protect me. And when I see other people's rights are
eroded away. That is a big issue with me. Because if you could
take that person, even if I don't agree with that person,
even if I don't like that person, you they should have a
fair trial. They shouldn't be entrapped. They shouldn't be you
know, oh, you know, honeypot it or whatever, whatever the terms
you want to use to get it i want i want to clean case, because it
might that's that's the thing, if I'm not that way, then I'm a
hypocrite. You know, I'm decide, yeah, get I don't like them. So
do what you got to do to get Oh, of course, of course. And I
think like I said, I think that's the thinking that came.
That was the silver lining of the 911 thing. A lot of people
felt that way. Like, that feels icky, right? You're saying like,
that doesn't even feel right. Even if I understand. I
understand I live it I understand the buildings or
whatever. I mean, just take it surface level. But I rack like,
what are we doing? I don't make it make sense. But nobody said
anything at the time. But I think people my age and yellow
are younger.
Well, that was that was two things. That was a lie, of
course, but it was a colin powell who held up you know, the
the vial of anthrax, and then there was the aluminum tubes.
That was a New York Times. Lie. They lied. And yeah, but it was
totally based off of the New York Times reporting and they
just had bad information. I would say they lied. But yeah,
yeah. Like I said, but that shaped the generation have now
Oh, no, it's not fair. I think we're Yes. The general
population is more about fairness now than it was just
Oh, pro America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, yeah, we want it. We
want it clean. Like we want to win win win clean when we don't
want you know, we don't want to, I could say use your word not
more than mucked up. So I'm now getting back to the black. And I
got to get back to it because we got to go talk about the Black
Panthers Yes. And what the they did for gun rights in a negative
way. So I'm just gonna catch people up. This came for 41 as
well. And if it wasn't for the Black Panthers in them being
given guns, and standing outside of a state capitol, then you
don't have the gun rights that we have today where the gun laws
not rights, but the policing of gun rights that we have today.
And those guns were supplied by, you guessed.
We begin today's show with explosive new allegations that
the man who gave the Black Panther Party some of its first
firearms and weapons training was an undercover FBI informant
in California. Richard okie, was an early member of the Panthers
and the only Asian American to have a formal position in the
party. He was also a member of the Asian American political
alliance that was involved in the third world Liberation Front
students strike of the claim that alkie was informed and his
colleagues is based on statements made by a former
agent of the FBI. In a report obtained by investigative
journalist Seth Rosenfeld, author of the new book
subversives, the FBI is war on student radicals and Reagan's
rise to power.
Yes, once again, handing out guns. For political it's like
it's the it's the it's the double cross is, here's guns
look scary. So now we can implement what we really want to
implement gun control. So that's my point. It was I think the
same thing with a Newburgh sting. It was here, here's
bombs, here's Stinger missiles. Now we can really clamp down on
the domestic like, this was like the real birth of the domestic
terrorists because they were American citizens.
Of course. Ah. What year was this again?
The new bar. I think I could say I think that was when I say 2008
or something. Yeah, yes. Okay. So yeah, so it's, well, they're
not over there anymore. They're over here and they're
radicalized. And we heard there radicalizing American citizens.
You know, that's how powerful the narrative was Kane like, and
the same thing with Richard Araki. So I think we can skip
past what we stopped at 15. Yeah, we don't need to listen to
16. But I want to get 16 a, because as we heard on the last
show, 66 with the Black Panther Party and what was going on in
Baltimore,
I wanted I one of the other really fascinating things in
your book, you talk about the history of policing in
Baltimore. And you you've said, You told me before the interview
that you sort of see some parallels today, we might be
under a new age of surveillance. You know, that if it's not
already started today. And and I think one of the most
fascinating things in your book, you talk about how the the, so
the Baltimore chapter of the Black Panther Party, was
actually started as part of a cointelpro operation, which is
run by the FBI to sort of sort of infiltrate the national
chapter, which was based in Chicago and in Oakland,
right. And, and so so what happened was that an army
veteran who had joined the National Security Agency, which
had built a new headquarters near Baltimore, accent here to
create a Black Panther Party in Baltimore, that lasted for about
a year and then he disappeared only to resurface in Canada as
an agent provocateur. The reason why he went to Canada was that
the Royal Mounted Police did not have any black agents. So the
FBI, led him to Canada.
Linda snitch black guard down in America, we knew that we need to
rent a snitch. And that guy who shot his international
painting, just curiosity, do we have any idea of the, at the
time, at least of the racial makeup of the FBI?
Oh, no, they actually had black agents. They mean that that was
something but I'm just curious. What
do you think the ratio is? Oh, very small.
It would mean they were hired like as, I mean, they had black
agents that came in To talk to you know, Malcolm X yeah
you know they always had the people and like I said the
humanism we don't want to you know demonize anybody I'm sure
they felt that they were doing the best thing they could for
their country because we know some of these groups were based
in communism is well so they might have like well yeah we're
taking down this group where we're fighting the evil red you
know that kind of thing and that's but that's the same
mentality now right is Oh yeah, we're gonna we're locking up the
160s but we're taking down the evil nationalist or not that
kind of thinking what I'm just doing as I'm laying out is Back
to the Future. Totally what the whole way I'm walking it back is
like is this is happening right now in certain groups is people
showing up with bags full of money, bags for arms, whatever
else and making inroads in groups to you know Taro wrote
our way our rights I mean that's that's my biggest thing is like
as an Ontario said, In this clip, you know, it's the
surveillance Look at all this stuff we gave up out of fear.
You know, you can't ride anywhere I was talking to
somebody today. You can't ride anywhere without being recorded
now.
Oh, no kidding and let's remember let's see let's just
remember what's
even past your neighbor's house the ring doorbells the know the
ring dorm camera ring doorbell network cameras all those things
you hear is normal. Can
you hear me mo no, you can't hear me Hello? I thought yeah,
hold on. Yeah, it's the ring doorbell network that has been
licensed to every single police department in the country. They
literally have a continuous view of almost every single street
because we're stupid and there is fear I mean, you well the
ring now the ring doorbell yes it's fear of course it's fear
but it's also a complete ignorance people really don't
understand what that what the giving up by doing this kind of
stuff.
Well people were paying on people's and taking craps on
people's doorstep I mean of course we know I can't say of
course we know is highly likely that Amazon was doing native ads
to scare people I love what's happening outside your door when
you're not home.
Oh totally.
Don't you want to know I might get stolen packages all those
things it's they you know and well
here I have an example I have an example. I think it's just maybe
just a new story but but that's what was going on as you'd have
new stories where they talk about the ring doorbell and
those were native ads like this. I think coming
allegations tonight out of North Phoenix the mother accused of
abusing her own son and police say they have the visual
evidence to prove it. Nicole marker and a boyfriend William
Johnson now facing charges. Police started investigating
after markers young child showed up at school with a burn on his
hand. It's a fun story later recovering 1000s of ring video
clips inside and outside the child's home near 32nd Street
and Bell
Yeah, totally inside inside. Like maybe they didn't tell you
that part. Or like the kid like the the CPS coming to people
houses due to Alexa is
Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, it accidentally recorded you. I'm
so sorry.
Right. So I mean, that's all I'm saying is but just stay in
Baltimore for a minute. The Wire he showed us this notion of we
saw in NORC started with cell phones. Not when they had the
camera. Remember they put the camera up on the corner? Yeah,
you know, so. It was there. I mean, it was like Okay, yeah,
crom Newark, New Jersey was like ground zero for this kind of
surveillance. And now it's just like, except it that you can't
go anywhere without being recorded. I mean, almost to the
point where if it doesn't even exist anymore, like you know,
you're not even conscious of being recorded.
And remember that the best spy devices the one you have in your
pocket.
Oh, yeah. tracks, you know, tell you when you sleep your way.
I read a great story this morning, Spotify, the Spotify
app, apparently is wearing down the battery on brand new
iPhones, like in an hour of listening to Spotify drains the
battery by 30%. And the company says, Well yeah, you know, it's
doing a lot of data processing. Like really to play a song.
Yeah, it's a lot of data proc, and we're not quite sure we can
change this. And the recommendation is don't let it
run in the background. Oh my goodness. Yeah, but they're
they're mining your whole life to sell it and I'm sure they'd
be happy to accept a subpoena.
Well, not only to sell it but to their mining your whole life to
shape it. How many times You actually select what you want to
hear next are watching it. It's like here. You watch that you
love this. Yep. And people are like Molly's in front of Netflix
and they just say okay, Ah yeah, show me that or YouTube. Okay.
Yeah, I guess I like that you know. So this goes back into the
shaping of society in the in the, you know, the social
programming is going on, which I find very, very sad. very
troubling. But Wow, wow, this is something that you missed from
the life. We talked about. Michael K. Williams. Yeah. And
my favorite role of is is not Omar. Dickies, chalky, white,
from Boardwalk Empire. And when my nose clips for that covered
it. A lot of good stuff in the live the lost tapes for 66. I
went across this clip again, I was we're always aware of it.
But this is a fascinating, it's a it's a drama sensation. But
it's the character called Darren in our SES. And he was this. I
think he was Bahamian, I want to say, but he comes into the black
community and he's pushing the kind of self empowerment that
kind of thing, but he's a pimp, and I think a drug dealer. But
you know, he looked down on chalky, white McLaren to
character play by my k wheels because he's this elitist black
person. And chalky White is like this poor you know, country
Southern black man. But the beauty of it is that in our seas
is up getting flipped in the show, by J. Edgar Hoover, you
into this country to the Port of New Orleans in 1898. Is that
correct? Is that correct? Are you the one asking questions?
1898. Yes,
26 years in the United States. But you're not a citizen. And
that is grounds for detaining me. Why would you go on living
in a country you don't wish to belong to? The exile does not
choose us Babylon. Your compatriot, Garvey, he thinks
you should all return to Africa. That would be an
oversimplification of his philosophy. What am I missing? I
doubt that I could make you to understand. You seem to be a
clever fellow. Who do you think
it's to decide what the truth is?
Truth is one of those in power wishes to be.
During the course of investigating the seditious
activities of Marcus Garvey, James M. Oliver, special agent
with the Bureau of Investigation was murdered in Atlantic City,
New Jersey by an unidentified colored male that the valentim
nor Cece assisted the Bureau in apprehending the suspect.
So we know as we covered in previous shows, Jagger Hoover
really had an issue with Marcus Garvey.
Well, first we need to remind people because I think john
Fletcher brought it up to me the other day. That j Edgar Hoover
was the African American black man. Yeah, this is such a mind
boggling thing if you tell people like what what episode
was that mo if anyone wants to go back and check
I think that wasn't either 31 to 41 I believe I might maybe early
about I think we played a dumb maybe throwback clip and knows
we've been on this trip for a while.
That was a good one though. That was one of my favorites. That
that's where like, how come I how come this is not known?
Cuz it's problematic to the narrative. No kidding. Black Man
harassing black men like Marcus Garvey, Martin Luther King, and
now he can't have that narrative. You know, he has to
be a cross dressing white man. That's the narrative. I mean,
that's that's what they want us to believe. Right? As a more
that he's right. He's a crossdresser Um, I don't know if
he I don't know his sexuality. I just know he like dress up in
women's clothes. But allegedly, but he can't be a black man. Oh
no. Even though we have proof of his lineage you know that that
would ruin what we always talk
about that by itself just blows your brain up.
Yeah it does. That's why they can't let it happen because then
it's like okay then why do you have it for black peace out for
black people then Zack, is it because like I said, communism
was a big issue of his as well as you were saying taking down
as he said In this clip, quoted as saying, clips, the dishes,
groups, so um, but I thought that's a wonderful clip of a
agent, flipping someone into an informant. And let's just move
ahead a little bit jet. The one that played their role in the
northeast, was Jeffrey Wright. And he's on the sway universe
sway in the morning. And he goes and give some insight and
history on the character behind donar seas is your character
based on anybody in history as
well, or like you're just my character is based on a
historical guy, but he's this guy. Really distorted. There was
a guy named Casper Holstein, who, in the early 1920s, was the
numbers King, the first big numbers king in Harlem guy was
making like $12,000 a day they said, you know, he was making
millions early 20s. He was in the Virgin Islands. He was an
immigrant. He came as a young as a youngster, he ended up at one
point, getting a job as a courier for a wall street
connected family, I think out in Brooklyn white family. So they
gave him a job, eventually on Wall Street, menial job, like a
janitor or something like that. Apparently, he ended up in the
closets stuck during the day studying the stock reports, the
stock indices, and he would just study all your, you know, very,
you know, mathematical mind. Apparently, what he did,
ultimately was he tied the nailing the daily number to the
stock index. So all he had to do was go to the newspaper and look
at certain results. And you knew what the number was. So there's
no ambiguity, there was no way of fixing it. And that's how his
game became the game to play. So he was making literally millions
in the early 20s. He was one of the biggest philanthropists in
the world or in the country, advocating on behalf of rights
for the Virgin Islands. He also was a Gar VA when Marcus
Garvey's Empire started to crumble. He was the one who paid
for liberty Hall, he saved the building that housed the
universal Negro Improvement Association. bad dude.
You know, who he reminded me of when I was telling this story.
The Legend of Frank Lucas, the American Gangster that this one
black man was bringing in all of these drugs. Yeah, all of
America is like, really? Is that really what you want to believe
that one black man was bringing all the drugs they supply all
over America in the 1970s
Please pay no attention to the involvement of the CIA or the
military.
Right? And the same case with this, there was no follow up
question and saying hey, was he really working with? No nobody
asked that. I mean, that's the main question right? Was he
really working at Hoover? And you're saying unless you're a
black man or a suspected black man because he saved from
Bahamas um cuz we know when we say that word black it means
something different than how they use it you're saying so
loosely, but making millions of dollars run in numbers and he
didn't come across Hoover's radar Yeah, and this is our
first time hearing about him I mean like it's just like I said
it's just a fascinating
well, but it's what's what's cool about it is just like just
like that with the with the oathkeepers you know, the
terrorist domestic violent extremist terrorist group is the
same thing with the leader. And let's not at all mentioned red
owl.
Oh, yeah. cowboy hat on us and by God suitcases full of
cocaine. No problem, you know, but but but what's the story?
Oh, he took down the mob, you know, the righteous
justification of what he did. So yeah, it's that's, that's the
backstory of, you know, the history of informants
throughout, you know, early America and early the FBI, going
all the way back from the Black Panthers all the way back to
Marcus Garvey and the creation of the of the agency. And then
one more thing I'd like to bring up is the n double A CP was
created by a person in a government agency. So it's
always true. Yes, we carry that spin guard. I know we we cover
so much. Yes. Spin guard which now to give out the Spingarn
war. All right. So it's like was what did they have control on
both sides because you know, Dubois and Garvey, you're saying
we're like kind of pitted against each other or didn't
like each other were they and we know clearly that divorce is
being handed do boy do Boy Boy was being handled by um, spin
guard was Casper, the handler on Marcus Garvey side, you know
that we got to ask these questions, because good
questions. If this is the same thing going on, like now it's
groups being pitted against each other, or being afraid of each
other. But before we move on, we got to think the most important
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So I know everybody's like, well, I thought we're gonna talk
about q anon and we're waiting, but why do you go the way he
went? I want to lay out the history. That way we can
understand the present and maybe even predict the future what's
going to happen. So now we get to Q nine, this is for 60
minutes. And this is q anons corrosive impact on the US
in just three years. The extremist ideology of Q anon has
captured the minds and imaginations of 10s of millions
of Americans, their core belief, a global cabal, including
Democrats, hollywood elites, and members of what they call the
deep state control much of our lives. The Cabal commits
atrocities including pedophilia, Satan worship and cannibalizing
children, but it will be vanquished by Donald Trump and
an apocalyptic day called the storm. Q anon was born when an
anonymous character named Q, began posting cryptic riddles in
an online forum known for hosting hateful and racist
content. The movement prospered in pandemic isolation. Its
followers occasionally erupting an acts of violence, culminating
in the assault on the Capitol. But the prophesied storm never
happened. Instead, Donald Trump left office and Q anon followers
have found themselves at a moment of truth, the story will
continue in a moment.
The only thing the only thing I don't like about that report is
the blatant lie that it's only democrat politicians. As far as
I know, the Q anon stuff about, you know, the pedobear. And it
was politicians any leads, it's it was never Democrats,
and from what I understand is the One World Government. So I
mean, it's kind of hard to party to party, one world government,
but that's the narrative. And what trouble me in this is that
they kind of lump everything in there. If you believe in a deep
state, your cue and if you believe in children's being
trafficking, and trafficking around the world, you're queuing
on if most of the things we talked about in this on this
show, people would we could easily be thrown in that group.
And and they also said that the key point I want to point out in
this, there were a captive audience. I think what a lot of
free time, people started doing their own research. And if you
notice, research has been demonized, like, Oh, god, it's
not here.
There was a queue and on people who are debunking the the
Coronavirus, they do a lot of their own research.
Right? It's like, I wish I had to bring this up. The big fish
has landed, the king has been jabbed, LeBron James has
officially came out and say he's taking the vaccine. And he had
to make an announcement. And in there he says, After doing my
own research, always, really, oh, my research is good for you
saying it's good for the well, it's good if you agree with it.
Push babies counter the narrative, then it's like, oh,
no, no, no, you can't do your research, which I think they had
become a cue now for several reasons. One, I think, when they
shut down the machine and Hollywood, people dispell broke,
and people started doing their own research and watching other
no content. Listening to I hate the word, but all media. And
that was a problem. And then what also happened is, we
started seeing celebrities and stars and their top people that
push the narrative of Hollywood elites. They were normal. We saw
them in their kitchens, we saw them in their bathrooms, we saw
them you know,
all that. All that drugs, the salesman broke a lot of spells,
man broke a lot of spells. And that was the
thing is like, Well, how do we get them back in control? Well,
we make them fear research are looking into things like if you
bring up you know, anything, and that list of things that we
listed all your q&a? Yeah, just deep into q&a. Which is the
similar way with it's in reverse of what they've done what we
listed in the first part of the show. Have they lump everybody
in together by these loosely based, like you said, If you
believe in a deep state, which deep state is a common use term
by a politician? Yeah. But if you believe in it, you're
queueing on that kind of thing. They talk about the deep state
they talk about the One World Government they talk about kids
being trafficking, trafficking. Those kinds of things. So it's
just it's weird that they did this, but it gets even worse
with the whole qR thing. Um, let's just go ahead and get into
part two.
Joe Biden get sworn in. And you started seeing chatter online.
I've been caught. This has all been a scam and they were out,
which is great. That that is rare for radicalized
individuals.
Elizabeth Newman was in charge of policy to counter domestic
extremism and The Department of Homeland Security in the Trump
administration, the prophecies did not happen. The storm didn't
happen. Is there an opportunity right now to, as we say, off
ramp some of these people?
Absolutely. For many of us, it was a light switch effect. But
for others, you see them struggling. They're trying to
make sense of it. And so they're very vulnerable right now
they're vulnerable to being convinced about some of these
newer theories. There's a new one that March 4, March 4 is the
day that President Trump is going to return and he's going
to be president again, if we're
at a moment where some of these people are disillusioned, and
maybe open to new ideas are far right extremists, white
supremacist, even neo nazis jumping in to this breach right
now and trying to peel them off and radicalize them even more.
Yes, they see opportunity. They have been posting guides on how
to approach a disheartened q&a non adherent making clear that
you don't want to make fun of their ideology you don't want to
be too direct about your white supremacist views you want to be
empathetic
which I missed this the whole time I didn't I just caught this
when I was doing these clips storm the capital the storm
yeah
no I'm just saying that's why I think they use that term storm
the capital Oh, is that
right right
oh yeah
yeah
i was like that's a weird thing to say right or you know it was
your storm they storm the Capitol they storm the storm
shot you
going mom good catch. Yeah, so I found
that just fascinating but now it's like we're there you know,
they're nomads we know where to place to go and they're right
for the being inducted into white supremacy which q anon was
all different people I play clips from the show where it was
spreading throughout the quote unquote urban community I mean,
we heard it on urban radio stations being discussed and the
boulais and puff puffy in you know, other black celebrities
was part of it. So it was I said they I think they want it some
way to get people back in line to say, if it doesn't come from
your television screen from a big network then it's fake phony
is no as dangerous is dangerous night You know, you don't want
to you know, get off media. No, no, no, no, he didn't. And that
causes a causes white supremacy, you know, that kind of thing is
Yeah, we just talked about elder right when
you're doing your research causes white supremacy, you
don't want to catch it.
Right. And it's like that white supremacists are empathetic to
the q&a. listeners, but what really troubled me was the
impact that it has on parents, don't family, families,
families, parents. And we see the same thing with the Vax
situation that is divided families. Um, but I have some
clips here again for 16 minutes, and listen to how they talk
about how it destroyed families,
that their loved ones who they said have fallen into keune on
conspiracies are very much alive. And in order to protect
their privacy, we aren't sharing their last names. Wheeler is a
28 year old Army veteran who said he now struggles to connect
with his parents because of what he described as their
fascination with conspiracy theories. It's been
a very slow death of the people that I once knew. Now I don't
recognize them. And in a way that's been more painful,
because I haven't been able to fully grieve at any point.
Wheeler served as an army medic for two years. He was stationed
at Fort Hood in 2014 when a gunman killed three of his
fellow soldiers and injured 12 before turning the gun on
himself.
It was frightening. It was traumatizing in a way.
Wheeler was discharged in 2015. He told us he didn't open up to
his parents right away, and only over time, gave more details
about what he said he'd experienced during the shooting.
But he said the parents he returned home too had become
more paranoid as they started being influenced by conspiracy
theories. And they began to doubt his account of what he
didn't heard that day.
When I told them I was there for that shooting, and I told them
what I had experienced. It was whiplash to me Because I was met
with a distant icy neglect so the Q anon conspiracies that he
started following made him degrade into more of an angry
more abusive more distant person who now doesn't even really
believe I don't think anything that I've said about my military
service
How does it feel to have your parents not believe it happened
a betrayal
wow I know people who are 100% I'll just I mean they say enough
things that I know that they that they have followed a lot of
Q anon very smart people very commercially successful people
usually people who run business like retail but but what's
interesting is that they've it's almost like they left let's see
if I can say this right like they left the the entertainment
that is television news or cable news and went to the
entertainment that is q anon now they they're not you know they
hi remember a specific like well you know August it could happen
you know Trump could come back but but then they're not crazy
but these two it's the two of them are both are into it but
when you have a split in the family which was already
happening with Fox News by the way just the fact that your your
parents or your dad would watch fox news was enough to want to
leave the house and not want to go to Thanksgiving dinner so
this is this is a complete really we got orange man bad and
they just ripped open our amygdalas and through this crap
in and I think at this point it's easy you can just toy with
him like oh just add this add this a little bit and his q1 on
now was perfect was
perfect. That's why I laid out the first part of the show like
I did you get into people's and they use the word ideology right
where you start to question everything because reality is so
bizarre if you say six week cycle that somebody will say
that's
just another word for conspiracy theory now it's a it's a synonym
that's my point. It's like it's not about Q and those kind of
things. If anytime you question the mainstream it's a brand
right anytime you question What about texting or your q&a? a
nice easy way easy way to do it yeah Steve was killed in a jail
cell he was convicted No no no, that sounds like q anon stuff so
it's like who's really not living in reality you know it's
it's but it's the perfect wage because like you said it's all
about what media you consume to you know to divide and that's
their whole point is go back to the binary thing again Yeah,
it's not it's totally it's about okay once zeros it's like either
1000 sealed indictments or you know everything is is a big lie
You know, or a cure not a conspiracy theory so the reason
why this troubles me is is how it it we talked about
infiltration to organizations this thing infiltrated the house
the home the family the where people can't even communicate
with each other anymore and I just find it very troubling um,
when you know it's like all it like says binary right? All of
the media or you believe none of the media it's like how about we
go case by case and see what we believe or don't believe
the same as for Vax, anti Vax, this is splitting families
apart. This is splitting relationships apart. Same thing,
which that's
what that's why I have a problem with binary thing. I mean, that
is a pet peeve of mine. And and if you come to the lab, I have a
real issue with extremist now extremists are needed, you know,
because that's what sets the the boundaries of our society,
right? You have a stream of one and a stream on the right you
have politici politically, you have your super liberal people,
you have your super conservative people. Yeah, but that is when
you look at a bell curve that should be a very small portion
of society. Now the thing is blue out is to the point where
he is all on one side or on the other and you just had to bleep
everything whole cloth. So this is the real reason why I'm gonna
get into like, the real like the real depth of this show, and the
purpose of it because this is a public service announcement. I
say that in jazz, but there's some truth to that because put
the phone down, put the phone down both both sides, put it
down and just talk to him. Okay, this is okay. Let's get to the
second part of it clue.
Wheeler connected us with his parents who firmly denied their
son's account of their belief in Q anon. wheelers. Father said he
doesn't have enough information to verify his son's experience
at Fort Hood that day, and was skeptical of what he saw as
changing accounts by Wheeler. He said the two haven't talked much
in the past year. The six people who joined us came from Alaska,
Kentucky, Georgia, Maryland, North Dakota, and Canada. They
all had different stories with a similar theme, the devastation
of families caused by Q and
on going over a year since I've talked to my dad. So like he
Elizabeth said
her father was her main support when she was struggling with
depression, anxiety, even thoughts of suicide.
Like he was the person that stopped me from going through
with it all in the end. And from about 16 to 2020 was about the
last one that I really was sitting there, contemplating
this and ultimately pulled myself back thinking about my
dad getting the phone call that his daughter had passed away.
And that was also about the time that everything started to get
really bad,
so bad that Elizabeth says a year ago, she had to cut off
communications with her father. She said he inundated her with
Facebook messages and text messages peddling conspiracy
theories. Although she told us she later connected those
conspiracies to Q anon. She said her father denied knowing what q
anon is
both both sets of parents and I'm not queuing on Yeah, yeah,
I'm just question and what this is a product of is the fake
news. A lot of people realize that the news is fake, it's it's
manufactured and I could easily The reason Let me explain what
I'm saying. I could easily be a type of person that would
believe the media because my dad was sitting me down like son sit
out here and learn something see what's going on with the world
you know, and we watch the local news and then you know, Dan
Rather was his guy you know, before Jeopardy and Wheel of
Fortune came home that was the routine that was the nightly
routine and it was like to be informed you have to watch the
news well here comes out 45 savage and he says fake news
when he says that it's like they just stick kept stepping on
rakes and proving his point that the news is fake it is
manufactured it is doctored is you know and then you know you
have these stories come out like with the news guy that's like in
the boat and it's in like four inches of water. You have the
clips where like all the local news stations are saying the
same exact thing across all the affiliates I mean, these are
some of the memes that came around about right that show
that the news is manufactured now and then not you couple that
with what happened like say with 911 911 was a huge wake up call
for a lot of people because it's like I don't you want me to
believe what my eyes What you say? Not my eyes? Oh, yeah. You
know that was written in at
least pay no attention to wt c seven.
That's that's what you know what? Or what I always get them
when I mean not to get them in a bad way. But question and for
the conspiracy theorists out there. If you want to
successfully reach somebody, or you know, ask them a question.
Don't inundate them with a bunch of information because I think
the real problem here is one size brain shut down. From you
know, just being bombarded with too much. Too much. wokeness at
one time, it's like Whoa, whoa, whoa, what is like cuz if you
ever met like a real conspiracy theorist, and they hit you with
that od that overdose of truth. If you can see people bring my
friend you bet your brain fries. Yeah. Right. And then what that
does is like, No, I want to be safe. So I'm gonna go back to
believe in whatever the narrative is like, No, no, no, I
can't. I can't digest that. A lot of people will tell you what
say that. Like, no, I can't I can't digest that
choice. I just want to go back because q1 on I think is just
another version of what I think the CIA admittedly started they
admittedly started the whole concept of a conspiracy theory
around the JFK assassination. We have been here before Yes, we
have. And but but you are absolutely right that with the
advance of cable news and internet and and just the
proliferation of media itself. It's I think it just became
easier and you know what they tried the fact check. Well fact
check fact check factor and everyone now, you know, the fact
checking is fallen. So by the wayside we've seen in the past
two weeks, the hunter Biden laptop, oh, yeah, that's
absolutely true. And the in the past two months, we've seen the
Wu Han lab versus the wet market, which has been there for
hundreds of years. So both of those things, people were D
flat, D platformed. It was fact check false. That couldn't be
true. And now it turns out it is true that I think, and also the,
the excessive amount of fact checking labels and crap that's
on everything has rendered that almost useless. So they, they
and I'm just gonna say CIA, I think I think it's 100% CIA will
bring an FBI, you know, the two sides of the same coin don't
always get along, that are doing this, that are just continuously
pushing a new message, and they've tightened it and, man,
the, the political parties did a great job because, you know,
once Trump came in, you know, remember there's another group
of people, which is the same thing is trumpers Trump
supporters, Trump voters magga all of this is being rammed into
your head or into they're trying to ram it in everyone's head
mainly through mainstream mainstream messaging, which,
oddly enough doesn't really even have such huge numbers anymore.
You know, MSNBC cnn in their primetime is less than half a
million people are watching
you have several youtubers combined. That's it that flip on
their live Yep, and out of the water and pool seeing in numbers
and I don't even believe like I said you turn off the gyms you
turn off the airports you turn I mean like those
viewers left yeah then it's done
right? This was the end you have on the other hand I can go and
pull 150 people on alive I mean like that's a lot of people I
mean if you really I mean we've got so caught up in the millions
if you can gather 150 200 I think you know agenda show y'all
do y'all Oh gee live
about two and a half 1000 2002 and a half 1000
that's a lot of people I mean come alive Yeah, that converge?
And no no big cameras no fancy none of their spells none of the
magic none of the you know what people really tune in for that
big TV screen right behind people in the suits in the you
know the makeup and that kind of stuff um, they're losing their
way but so they had to have q&a and everything else you are not
sound like
a drug but but there is one there is one additional thing
because a lot of the alternative media alternate media is playing
and we do the same obviously, we're playing mainstream so at
like Fox News plays a lot of stuff that they then comment on
that is comes from the other guys so they're really promoting
everything you're giving this head galleon dialectic choice.
And really, YouTube, but also Twitter and Instagram. That's
where a lot of the mainstream stories that's where the clip
service goes in. And that's, that's become very important for
this for this loop. They can see and on what what's on those
clips, mega mega mega Trump or Trump or Q and on cue and on
antivaxxers and on DVDs go on and on and on.
But on the same time, they're so ham handed, that they just give
you more material. It's they they so so far out to whatever
their advertisers and now this is where the advertisers come in
at. The real power of us is the producers. Because all we have
to do is come here and sell what we understand what we hear and
see. We don't have to worry about like the Boulay phone
ringing and saying hey, you can't say that right? Yeah.
You're going way too far once again.
rely on you. Just so it sanitize everything. And is there kind of
like robots like Oh, I can't say that. I can't question man. And
they're slowly losing their celebrities as well. But if you
don't realize,
oh, that spells been broken, that spell is broken. I love it.
I love seeing how the celebrities can't deny they're
not influencers. It's just not they can't influence anymore.
They can't get people take the shots. They can't get them to
look at award shows. over and done with Hollywood is dead.
Is that but that's the arrogance of it. I Oh yeah, we shut the
machine off for a year and in the show Come right back. No,
no, like, we don't care. I don't know. Like I said, I don't only
thing i watch on television is a handful of TV shows. I mean,
it's like billions. Couple more. I mean, what it really is, like,
based in reality is like, those kind of shows, but it's sports,
and not only watch basketball anymore, and I wouldn't I
wouldn't watch football. If it wasn't connected me and my 11
other friends in a fantasy league, right? It's like
everything. Everything has changed. We don't care what's on
TV, unless it's about us. You know? And like I said, that's a
real, that's a real problem to them. Yeah. So I know people say
are you saying going to be a PSA? Alright, so I have the
vaccine. For this binary thinking.
Let me describe five levels of listening itself. You might say
it's a continuum of listening. The lowest level is to not
listen at all, we could almost use the word you ignore
somebody, you're not even there hardly at all. You're just into
your own world or whatever. The second level, is you pretend to
listen. You may learn the body language and give the you know,
even the mimicking responses of the last person sentence.
It's called being married.
The third level is to listen selectively. You are really
hearing. Oh, yeah, that reminds me. Let me share. Oh, I agree
with that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, what you said back there, I know
exactly what you mean, I've had the same kind of experience.
Well, I don't know about that. I mean, you did understand. But
your mind is so into your own hot buttons, that you're
listening always in terms of those buttons and those
interests. But you did understand. The fourth level is
to listen attentively. You're really giving full attention out
of real sincerity, that takes a lot of energy, really to attend
to another. But still, you're into your head. The fifth is to
listen empathically to leave your head to get into their head
and their heart.
Oh, that's good. Where's this from?
This is Dr. Stephen R. Covey, my main man for the Seven Habits of
Highly Effective People, ah, and it's empathetic listening.
That's the vaccine. And that's what we do on the show. We come
here not we're not just attentive to each other. We come
to listen to each other. I want to get in your head, you want to
get my head, like what makes? You know, why do you think that
way? Why don't we just the follow up questions. And this is
based off one of the seven habits of seek first to
understand then to be understood. That's the vaccine
to this, folks. That's it. And it's
it's really hard. It's really, really hard for a lot of people.
And I know, I so I see all five of those levels, just by the
feedback we get from the podcast. Yep. Yeah, it's like,
Wow, did did you hear it that way? Like, you thought I said,
What is really interesting? But yeah, level five is where we
want to be. And it's, it's tough. It's, it's very
difficult.
But I don't think it is.
I think a lot of people find it very challenging. There's so
many distractions just to look at someone and listen to what
they're saying.
That's the point, right? The distractions, man, you can just
sit here for three, three and a half hours, less full Eclipse,
two microphones, and we listen to each other. You're in
my head, you're literally on my head loud, too.
Right? I'm not gonna I'm not sitting here waiting for my turn
to talk. You know, it's like, you ask follow up questions. No,
did you? We use analogies and those kinds of things. But it's,
I'm not coming here just to talk. I'm coming here to listen
to understand, you know, and you're like, Well, I didn't see
it that way. Obviously, if you say you've heard me now, if you
understood what I said, but I'm just saying this is what we need
to do with our families. And this is I find this to be a real
problem. In one sense, but this is why the alt media kicks.
mainstream media's but because when they have two people having
a conversation, they're doing lines.
scripts, yeah, they're reading script, even eat Even the the
White House press briefings the questions are known beforehand.
But most of the congressional hearings that you see questions
are known beforehand. It's all scripted. It's all all of its
line. Whenever they say I'll talk to you about that in closed
session. Yeah, you're going off the script here. Stop it.
But that's why people don't find it interesting. Because I almost
say my line Yes.
I say my lines just yet acting Exactly.
Right. So this is why this this this thing that you created, I
gotta give you a credit is you actually have people sit down.
We have we're having a conversation the person is
listening to as part of the conversation in a passive way.
But they're even seeking first to understand and then there's a
feedback loop. They can write us a note ask this question. Oh,
you can't do that. You can't do that with a you can't do that
with CNN. The loves is the feedback loop. Yep, I have
things I want to talk about but the Love is like Oh, let me
answer that question. Oh, well you made a great point there oh
it's engagement you know this is this is how we win because this
stops the binary thing it's like hold on let me first understand
what you're saying. Let me make sure I got this straight Adam I
have
also noticed you know the no agenda audiences I think very
forgiving but did they do come from all ends of the spectrum
but in this recent round, after the Q anon I would say now the
Vax antivax just in general the all the tension even I know
agenda social which is no Jenna social calm we're federated to
mastodon serve like Twitter only open source and not filled with
evil algos, I can tell people are a little bit more on edge.
And even though they are all talking to each other, there's
been a noticeable uptick for me in the what I'm seeing and
stress stress levels people are a little bit on edge. And and
and that and that always diminishes the listening
capability.
Yep, that no agenda family is not immune. The facts family is
not immune, because we're still a family. That's right. And
that's my point is you see how this father saved his daughter
from committing suicide. And awareness was driven between
them off of what reality is like home, your reality can be
different in my reality. I can never know what you how you see
the world. I can never know. I mean, only thing you could do is
try to relate to me how you understand it, and then it takes
for me to say okay, I'm gonna sit here Be quiet. Listen,
really listen, like really? Try to put myself in your shoes. And
that's what Malcolm X is saying. Come to the table. Right? Put
your put your emotions to the side. Because that's the first
thing I don't like that. Oh, no. Oh, he said then that's what the
family know. Oh, he said conspiracy theory. Oh, he said
queueing on Ah, oh, he said this and this both sides? Yeah.
Because q&a. I'll be honest with you, I might offend some of the
q&a people out there. He's not about a secret society. It's
like, Oh, we know something you don't know. Haha, here's an all
we know what that means. You know, Oh, look at that hand
gesture all you don't know, it was that kind of thing.
It was really well done the game theory. And q anon was well
constructed. You know, with the proofs, and the and the rabbit
hole and the all this stuff that all these little terms, very
well constructed. And honestly, a lot of it was damn good mo I
looked at stuff and we're like, that's got to be true.
But it was very entertaining. Which 90% of people that got
into it, it was entertainment. Yeah. Cuz it's like, Dungeons
and Dragons are something that like, you know, like, oh, I'll
pick up my phone and get engaged for a little while, you know, to
see if I can like a scavenger hunt. Like, that symbol, that
kind of thing. I didn't really get into it like that, because
it was so readily available. I might hold on who's pushing this
thing like really like, I mean, that was just me. I'm always
skeptical. But you ready for your second jab at a vaccine,
I'm
ready, Bring it on, doctor.
Let's go is to listen empathically to leave your head
to get into their head and their heart. Not that you are trying
to sympathize or agree or disagree you take no position at
all. Remember how we have used the iceberg as a kind of
metaphor? Well, it really pertains to the subject of
empathy, and communication. We talked about the tip being just
the technique. You know what the great mass of the iceberg is the
motive
The deeper attitude? Are you really anxious to understand?
Now, the magic really comes from the human affirmation process.
If we were to suck the air out of this room right now, what
would happen to our interests
that align? Now we have air, does air motivate us? What is it
that motivates us? The absence of air, the psychological
equivalent of air is to feel understood. It is the deepest
hunger of the human heart. But to give someone psychological
air, it's makes it almost impossible for someone to fight
you
know, that's great.
And if, if understanding is air, what is being dismissive?
choking? Right? You in mass, we gave the analogy of the air and
now air is not being sucked out of the room, but our freedoms
are slow, we're slowly gonna, when that when that boot comes
down, and you start your freedoms, like, Oh, you can't
say that. You can't do that. You can't go there. You can't. Oh,
it'll quickly align. But I want to say that because I've heard
some things being said, people not being able to see their
grandkids. family, or I'm talking about like, in my inner
circle, and you know, in the facts, family, you know, no, no
gender family as well, is, you don't let your kids talk. Okay,
I understand one thing, if you don't let that visit, if you're
hardcore Vax, to antibiotic, whatever side you're on, but not
even to talk to the grandparents. But where are we?
Where are we headed? Seriously? Where are we really had it and I
didn't, I wanted to do this show to really address that, to show
how we're being sucked in to, you know, binary thinking,
right? But logic will not get us out of this Mo, if I've learned
a lot of things from you. The first one is you got to break a
spell, you can't be can't give a spell logic, that's not going to
work, you've got to break it. And that and and however that
works. It also has to be done amongst family members somehow.
seek first to understand then to be understood, and but that goes
counter narrative counter to human survival. And that's the
reptilian brain, right? Yeah. Yeah, you're right, the real
reptile right is, I need to be heard First, I need to be
understood. First, I need to be you know, that, that kind of
thing. And me, me me first, because that's the human
condition is to put yourself first, but when you really,
really say, okay, make me understand. You know, that kind
of thing. So I wanted to bring that into the show, because what
we're about to talk about next, is gonna take understanding, and
it's part of the Q nine, it's part of the misinformation and
it's a lot of stuff going on behind it. And that is talking
about where we're at. 26 Yeah, 26 This is the result of
neighbors reporting neighbors.
I'm thinking, this is an event you know, this is a crowd event
and, and, and it was a real, very surreal feeling, because
there was also a platform, which later there was saying was going
to be the inauguration platform. There were a bunch of people out
there and we thought I thought that there was going to be a
speaker, somebody was going to say something. And all of a
sudden they unfurled this huge had to be 70 foot American flag.
I get goosebumps thinking about it, and everybody went wild.
And you will have a an not only an FBI raid of your apartment,
but an FBI raid of your mother's apartment. Let's fast forward a
little bit and talk about that. What What happened there? Well,
I was saying my mother's because my mother is still in rehab.
She's in a rehab home facility. So I was spending time there
trying to clean up for her because I went to make it we'll
wheelchair access. They had visited me at her house on
February 4 Thursday for agents. They asked me if I was an Tifa
blah, blah, blah. I said no, I gave him a copy of the videos I
had shot. So I said okay, fine. Everything is fine. A week later
at 6am in the morning, I'm sleeping on the couch at my
mother's place and is banging open a door Open the door FBI
FBI. So I get up I'm half asleep I open the door and they're like
these eight to 10 tactically dress, I guess soldiers with
jttf on one of them was pointing an automatic rifle at me. An
automatic Yeah, automatic like an assault weapon. About five
feet away he was I guess that's the procedure for them. But you
know you don't wake up. You open a door you have soldiers at your
door with a thing aimed at you.
Yeah, yeah. So we got this I set that up poorly. I'm sorry about
that. I lost my place. But this is Joseph Bolanos, and he's a
political independent. Those democratically vote for the
Democrats. He went down to the rally didn't go inside the
Capitol didn't go inside. And you heard the results of what
happened. Not only did they write his place they re he
raided his mother's house who suffers from dementia
Did he say that ATF or a TTF
you might want to listen to that again. I was
saying my mother's because my mother is still in requests I
want to make it we'll Thursday for agents they asked me if I
was an Tifa and blah blah blah. I said no, I gave a cop couch at
my mother's place. And there's banging open a door Open the
door FBI FBI. So I get up I'm half asleep I open the door and
they're like these eight to 10 tactically dress I guess
soldiers with jttf on
yeah a TTF so that's not alcohol tobacco and firearms. That's an
anti terrorists Hold on. I've heard of these jokes before anti
Terrorism Task Force whoo there you go tear anti Terrorism Task
Force get your mom out of bed
eight to eight to 10 people showing up um but what I'm
saying and they asked him where are you anti that's that's a
weird question i and Tifa Yeah, interesting. Right right. What
is that what was that question but let's just get into them
when he's talking to dinesh d'souza which he had his own
issues with the railroad it did by the government. Was that that
was one of the most
he went to he went to jail. Yeah. Put him in jail bundling
of all things. I mean that but that's if you say that are your
kuna. easily see how easily I can go like he went to jail for
things are normally done in politics. No, no, no, that's
q&a. That sounds like you're on me. But let's get back to Joseph
Bolanos and what happened to decelerate?
And is it a fact that the the reason that they did that was
that somebody kind of, quote ratted you out? In other words,
it said that, oh, yeah, this is the guy who was at the Capitol.
And the FBI evidently went to a district judge Gabriel
gorenstein, who gave them a warrant to make the search. And
I want to emphasize, you never went in the Capitol. But
nevertheless, based on some information the FBI got they
were able to convince a judge that there was probable cause to
make this armed raid. Got one to show how on so little, I mean,
clearly, they didn't have evidence you got in the Capitol
because you never did. But nevertheless, they come storming
down your door and pick up the story from there because like
you said, you went down to the station. And then what happened?
The big mystery is exactly what you just stated is that how can
the FBI do so much? I mean, double teams, raids, search
warrants, what have you on the word of one person on a tip
line, and in the last year, we've had during COVID three or
four people who have radicalized someone, they become political,
and again, as a black president for 23 years I've always been
apolitical because I like to stress the commonality of our
neighbors nothing political because the vitriol starts
flowing. In this case this individual was was actually
interviewed by a local TV station and he claimed that he
walked by the the cafe where I was sitting at and then I was
bragging about being in Washington and I had footage or
video of the Capital
One anonymous
phone call tip that's all it that's all pay attention that's
great. And then he didn't even have a conversation when he
walked past him you're saying bragging and boasting which I'm
sure he was, Hey, I went down to the car I was there you know
that kind of you know, out like I said, I'm just gonna be middle
row with it that say, even if he was to say, you know, look, look
at my pictures I was there, you know, that kind of thing. You
know, bragging. That shouldn't get your house raining? No.
Where are we at? Like, seriously, folks? Folks pay
attention, one call.
Yeah, but this is tyrannical government mode. This is not
just a family issue, one anonymous phone call.
What I'm saying is what when they start your family starts
making that call like this weird
stuff that already happened, that's happening.
Notice that that's where we're headed, but that's Gary, but you
know what, that's nothing new. Because if you're familiar with
the drug laws and drug conspiracy laws, this is nothing
new.
Five and a half years, I was the United States Attorney for the
Western District of Virginia. Mandy, from my understanding,
was only involved for a couple of months with this conspiracy,
and it was her boyfriend who was the more substantial member of
that conspiracy. But the way the law works is if you're in a
conspiracy, you are legally responsible, not just for what
you do yourself, but for what the conspiracy does, as long as
it's foreseeable to you. So if you are the girlfriend of a drug
dealer, like Mandy Martinson, and you have reason to know that
he is receiving large quantities from a supplier and then
redistributing those quantities to various mid level
distributors, even if you never touch those drugs, even if you
never benefit from them in any way, if you're in the
conspiracy, and you're aware of the quantity, then you're
legally responsible for that quantity. It's like any other
business, the person who stands at the counter of the store and
collects money from a customer and puts it into the cash
register. She's a viable part of the entire business. And is is
part of the reason why the business makes lots of money,
even if she's not there. Every shift isn't there for every
single transaction. It's the same thing in a drug conspiracy.
And that's a very powerful weapon for prosecutor because a
prosecutor can say to Amanda Martinson, look, you're
responsible for everything that your boyfriend did everything
that the people he was dealing with did, because you were
present when it happened, it was foreseeable to you, even if she
never touched any of that it's hard for people to get their
mind around. But it conspiracy allows under the law to charge
people with really substantial quantities beyond what they
perceive.
Well, that's kind of good. That's kind of good news. That's
kind of good guys. Well, because once you once we get one, then
we'll Oh, it's like you You knew that. Your your fellow
politician was doing this and you worried on that. And I mean,
no, no, no, no, no, they were like that. Yeah, well, yeah. In
the tribunals. Yes, it will. It will sound
that cue. Hope you
nailed it there. Another thing I got to write down. I love that.
Hey, listen. Oh, we've already got one sealed indictment down
999 to go mo I'm counting them.
No reason why I say that is if that was the case, then
politicians would have been locked up because we can say
hey, you knew about that, that kind of thing. But it doesn't
work like that. No, but clearly the reason why I point this out
is this is how the war on drugs worked. Catch two fish. Because
then a drug and drug appears conspiracy. I think you had to
have two people say they bought drugs from you. So you catch two
small fish to Hey, did you buy drugs from Tony? Yeah. Did you
buy drugs from Tony? Yeah, go get Tony done. Right. Done. It
doesn't matter. If you apply that to what Joseph went
through. Oh, you should have known that we're going to storm
the capital. Once you're doing out there on the blog. Hmm. It
was saying you deserve to be roust in the real sick part
about it is and this is a little sad. But what percentage of
trials the mean what percentage of cases do you think go to
trial?
Of what kind?
Oh, well, criminal criminal?
I don't know. It depends on the state. But I don't know. Let's
just take a while again, just take it what percentage of cases
actually go to trial? Winning some Jeopardy music. criminal
cases, criminal cases how many you think
you'd be hoping that it was quite a high number? You'd be
hoping in the at least the high 70s 3% and what happens to the
rest? plead out? Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah.
So what I'm saying is this is how the drug conspiracy game
work. To people say you're selling drugs. You're done. Hey,
Tony, you're facing 20
right? Yeah, yeah. And you saw Yeah, you saw that in the wire
all the time.
Right. So the point I'm making is you're gonna have a lot of
people that didn't do anything comp and please because like I
don't want to face I don't want to gamble my life on 20 years on
a conspiracy. I mean, how do you disprove a conspiracy I mean
like that's that's like the hardest thing to be
okay. So what you're saying is the the January six people who
have who are still many still in jail. That's really the
conundrum for them is because if if there's two people who say,
Oh, yeah, I saw that guy. I saw him over there. You're in the
conspiracy because it's been claimed to conceal Seeing at
that point, it's easier to just plead out, which, which of
course, these white guys learn from, from their black brothers
for similar reasons.
And if you consider yourself a political prisoner, you can't
plead out. Because you're there for the cause.
Right
to see how that works is I can say, this this system has been
set up the apparatus is there is just you targeted towards
whatever group you want to target it towards. That's the
same thing with the guys we were talking about. With the staying
in the early part of the show, yeah. Experience. Oh, yeah, they
wouldn't do it. Yeah, well, we got proof here that they were
gonna do it. So. But I'm just saying, so that's this thing has
been around a conspiracy. But now they're gonna start
weaponizing. That's very scary. So anybody could come and say,
Oh, yeah, I'm never going to take part in this. You got two
people who say it, and you put me in jail, I have to play it
out. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fight anybody. You want to go
home today and be on probation or you want to fight between
disbarred? I mean, even you had a lot of people take cases that
don't even have anything to do with, because the odds is just,
I don't want I don't want to take those odds. Right,
right.
It's a very nasty system. I
wasn't I wasn't aware of that. I wasn't aware of the 3% number.
And, and when you said plead out, yeah. Okay. Makes sense.
That's a nasty system.
How do you beat that? I mean, like, how do you, you know, so
I'm just, I started with us, they don't end with us always
say that they started with us. But it doesn't end with this.
But let's go back to Joseph and his final clip,
I want to talk about the element of media humiliation, because as
I understand it, when you are handcuffed and taken out of the
car, there was an NBC NBC camera crew that had been tipped off
about the raid, and they were there to sort of film you. And
so what I'm talking about is it's not just a matter because I
mean, I've I know what this degradation feels like. But it's
always magnified when you've got flashing lights and people
shouting questions at you. Is it not a fact that you have
actually had two strokes subsequent to what happened to
you? And would it be reasonable to assume that that at the very
least these events contributed to those
without a doubt these events did contribute the first stroke was
considered mild they said, although in the ambulance
directed show, I pulled the ambulance, right because my
blood pressure was 220 over 143 which is hypertensive crisis,
which is close to serious, serious stroke. And then I had
another stroke about 100 days after the first mild one, which
makes best begs the question if it's so mild, do I have another
one under days later? So in the second one was a lot more a lot
more severe. Now regarding NBC there's an interesting fact here
because often you hear the FBI when someone comments or
questions I'm about an investigation to go we can
comment because it's an ongoing investigation. Now the guy who
did the NBC story is a guy named Jonathan Dean's his partner okay
at NBC is the former spokesman for the FBI so how does this guy
coincidently have a camera man show up Don't worry flashing
lights right and it was just one camera man, but that kind of
tripped me off. So you have NBC with that former FBI spokesman
with the FBI doing a raid I mean, common sense says that
there's a linkage there somehow because it's not a coincidence
that there's gambling going on there.
For fear satellite, que nada with a mockingbird, but like I
said, I don't want to end up on anybody's list. But FBI to NBC
that's just down the hall
you're saying like Zuckerberg and Mueller these people are in
bed together? Yeah. It's this it's the same thing but that's a
mate two strokes.
And that and you know, the way that works with Zuckerberg is a
good example. Government pressures that you know, it's
like what what have you What did you hear you don't hear much
about anymore? Yeah, we're thinking about perhaps
regulating you section 230 come back and talk a little bit you
have a gas you from your more questions. So you know, it's
like they're also pressured through the entire system. They
have to do what whatever they do in order to survive because
they're there. They are, in fact too big to fail.
Well, mamas cover your baby's ears. How much
do we need to drink or bird? I was wanting to do we need to
trigger a trigger warning.
No, not sugar. Cookie monster.com content. Okay,
Zuckerberg is the government's bitch. Let's just be honest
here. All the big techies, we know who created These these
companies. I mean, come come. That's the narrative like he's
in his computer, his dorm room, he's writing up Facebook code,
but knock it off. He was saying they had they, they they pin him
to say, Okay, he's the face of the organization, right. Unless
they like you said they have mobile Barrow, give us the
information. Oh, we will we'll what's the what's the tax
benefit? They're they're allowed to have or whether or not
treated as a utility.
I forget what it's called a section 230 or title, section
230. Yeah. Well, there's that. Yeah. And also the anti trust
and, but But make no mistake. It's, the government is in this
too. If you look at the, if you look at the history of Google
shots, that's what they're calling the shots.
Right? Right. Yeah, but but it's not really the but it's not the
politicians. The politicians have their own leverage, but you
have to look at which politician has real power. And that always
comes from either CIA, preferably or FBI.
Careful, Carrie curry koubou. Anybody say deep state? Easy.
They're not Hey, I'm no queuing on man. I don't say no deep
sleep.
That's where we got to be. He said deep state. But that's, we
laugh about it is gallows humor, but that's where we're at.
Because if you believe Apple, Facebook, Google can operate the
way they want to, if they will give one man all that power.
Now, don't worry, don't worry like that. It's like Zuckerberg
and notice they always call them now whenever they want to do you
bet whoever not and it's not the politicians. But they they are
doing the work of their their bidders, too, right? It's like a
brings up down and bring them down a notch. You're saying he's
getting a little you're saying he's getting a little a little
you're headed up? I don't know, make you take you down a notch.
But that's that's how it works. And as people that will never be
voted out that call the shots? Because they don't you know, we
don't elect our leaders, the real leaders, the real ones.
They're supposed to be representatives. But they can't
even do that. Now,
I use leaders for that we don't elect our leaders. There you go.
We don't we don't don't even vote for him. It's not they're
not on the list.
not on the list. Like you just
you're not on the list. That's exactly.
So going back to 60 minutes and back to Q anon and how corrosive
it is
at Homeland Security when you were there was q1 on on your
radar as a threat.
The general consensus at that time period was it could be a
low level policing concern because we had a few incidents
of people conducting violence but by and large, its ideology
is not one that promotes violence. At least at that time,
what shifted what turned q anon into a more violent kind of
conspiracy group.
It didn't become a violence problem until Donald Trump lost
the election and then they felt like oh, well, we better fix
that. Because otherwise Donald Trump can't fix this other big
problem the deep state. state.
Q anon supporters charged into battle with the crowd storming
the Capitol on January 6. Some were easy to spot with their cue
signs and cute chance.
Inside officer Eugene Goodman staved off rioters led by a man
in a cute shirt. Ashley Babbitt killed at the Capitol had
previously tweeted a picture of herself and accused tank top
a horrible violation of whatever Yeah,
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to seek first to understand and be understood. So that's part of
the show is just we have to take our time and we talked about
thing because it has to be digested, but before we do, we
got to get back to the producers.
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so actually Babbitt I see her as the counterbalance to the George
fluid because it's the it's the other end of the spectrum,
right? I mean, it couldn't get more
more than more and more 180 degrees opposite agreed.
Right it screws with people's heads. And that's why I was very
conscious of time when I discussed about this um, which
didn't know this is a very important portion of the show.
So let's get first into the media's coverage of what
happened at the Capitol with Ashley Babbitt.
This morning new details about 35 year old Ashley Babbitt, who
was shot and killed by a Capitol Police Officer. video captures
the moment she fell to the ground during the chaos. as
others warned of the danger. medics then rushing her to the
hospital, but she later died. A documentarian says he witnessed
the shooting
to go in, like going strong. And next thing I know she was shot.
I do remember yelling guns when I saw guns and trying to warn
her from going in like it was like very slow motion because I
was trying to in my mind trying to capture the scene
inside the house chamber that broke the glass. lawmakers were
hiding including congressman markwayne Mullen, who was
defending the officers actions. He didn't
have a choice at that time the mob was going to come through
the door there
was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time.
Babbitt was a 12 year Air Force veteran living in San Diego with
her husband. Her family describes her as loving and says
she was a staunch supporter of the President. She's knowing her
grandfather says Babbitt attended every Trump rally she
could
excellent patriot. Ever Donald Trump fan. She served time in
the military. She's passionate about everything, particularly
Donald Trump for some reason.
The US Capitol Police officer who shot Babbitt is now on leave
pending an investigation.
Yes.
Which we're going to get to him next officer bird but first we
got to get some background on Ashley Babbitt. And this is from
Dr. Todd grande day, which is a psychiatrist from Arlington,
Virginia. Well, I think he's an author as well. So he's gonna
get into the background of actually Babbitt.
So I'll start with the background, I'll talk about the
conspiratorial thinking and I'll move to my analysis about the
shooting. At the time of her death. Ashley Babbitt was 35
years old. She served in the Air Force and Air National Guard for
many years. Her service Included multiple deployments to Iraq.
She lived in Maryland for many years. She was married when she
was there. She divorced and moved to San Diego and remarried
in 2019. Babbitt had no children. Her parents, her
grandfather and four brothers lived in San Diego on January
6 2021, she was one of the many protesters who stormed the
Capitol building in washington dc in what appears to be an
attempt to disrupt the certification of the 2020
presidential election. inside the building. She was with a
number of other protesters in front of these double doors that
led to the speaker's lobby, a hallway that connects to the
House of Representatives chamber not far from this members of
Congress were sheltering in place. So there was a lot of
chaos a number of protesters yelling, banging on the doors,
breaking windows, it was a time of great stress caused by these
protesters. It is clear in the videos that the doors are
barricaded from the other side which should serve as a subtle
hint that trying to pass through those doors may be an unpopular
decision. Babbitt was wearing what looked to be a Trump flag
as a cape Okay,
so this is where depending on what lens you're looking at this
through if it was a black male unarmed going through a window I
don't care how many berries it was it it might you can't shoot
it on on person but here we have a white female veteran who was a
rack shot unarmed and it was like it was a 180 degree
the you know the media response
not even media on social media is like yeah she deserved the
same people were saying cops shouldn't shoot people are
people and insane people were saying that all summer you know
no person our property you know property over human lives and
those kinds of things like Yeah, she had it coming to her which I
found it to be maybe fastest of all struck I was awestruck is
like wow like it really doesn't matter what there's no ideology
behind this is strictly binary is eat now it's okay to shoot
her because it fits your narrative. I'm in a boat that no
unarmed person should be shot I mean like I don't care who you
are, I don't care what you're doing. But I also would like to
bring up the fact of when we talked about the broken glass
when that glass breaks that's a symbol of civility um, and these
people were charged up now but I found it fascinating that once
side saying she shouldn't the same side well you you do a
crime you killed him the act of a crime you know is justified
that sounds like How dare you shoot her and then the other
side is like you should never shoot person was cheering the
cops on it was like his his total mind screw so I don't know
how you took what you took away from well
interestingly, I that is not considered what you just said in
that comparison. It's fine. It's very valid. It's very good. It I
mean, but we have a lot of these we have my body my choice for
abortion, my body my choice, but not for mandatory vaccines. I
mean, so these binary I just have, I have no other word mind
fucks are being launched at us like blow darts to the brain.
And perfectly balanced. Like I said, you can't get more
balanced and counterbalance with these two people when we look at
actually Batman and George Floyd. Um, the way they were
handled by the media and then how they were consumed by the
public at large. With that said, I want to get into the second
clip. Now just I want to say and I'm gonna leave, it cannot lead
you But imagine if you hear these things about a unarmed
black man shot in America.
Babbitt had some prior run ins with law enforcement. In 2016.
She was issued a peace order, which is essentially the state
of Maryland's version of a restraining order and charged
with reckless endangerment and the malicious destruction of
property. This appears to have been connected to a road rage
incident. She hit a woman's car three times and chased her
through the streets. From what I understand the victim was a
woman who had previously dated Babbitt's boyfriend at that
time, that it was found not guilty of both charges in 27
Teen a second piece order was issued, and she was charged with
willful motor vehicle damage without the owner's consent. In
2019. a complaint was filed against her for aggressive
driving, but it was thrown out because of a jurisdiction
related problem. Ashley Babbitt appeared to have a number of
unusual beliefs that may have contributed to her criminal
behavior. Her posts on social media appear to indicate that
she believed in conspiracy theories. one specific
conspiracy theory that she is associated with is q anon she
made a reference to the storm in a tweet the day before death she
was seen wearing a que Amnon shirt and a photo on social
media and she also posted a hashtag that refers to the
phrase where we go one we go all which is also associated with
that same conspiracy theory.
Wow, I didn't know about the priors.
Yeah, that's well, now imagine
what Nope, and I can't because we had all the priors with
George Floyd. We had a hole in the gun up to the pregnant
woman's belly drugs etc.
And what was said that doesn't matter at the time of him being
killed no other guy was the other guy. I mean something
Blake it slipped my mind but he actually was coming over to
attack his baby mama when he was shot seven times he didn't die
but the vice president you're saying now now a Vice President
went and visited him or did a video call with him you know
Jacob Blake that's his name but what I'm saying is but on the
other side of this I was critical of Candace Owens for
this about bringing up people's past yes you're saying to
deflect yep so I'm just saying like you just said it's
no we're not immune is what you're saying. Right?
We're no one's immune and they they create these narratives in
the media to it so you can play it out nobody's based in
ideology at all it's about my team your team like I said red
blue
white 100
and and this is another thing and we've seen what I think the
what's the case now with Gabby the the white lady it was killed
in the whole princess or what is called the princess effect or
how white women are covered in the media
Yes, yeah,
yeah. Here's the white lady that was killed unarmed meets a man
we ain't touching that now you were queuing on you were saying
she deserved she had it coming in like I said a
snatch the pebbles from my hand grasshopper You may go now you
have surpassed me I have to write this down for myself I
can't believe that I that I didn't see this I didn't see it
but that said that's why we come here and have the conversation
that way
well there's two of us here I
know it's amazing man I'm very I'm very proud on social media
with disgusting light for any human light to be taking power
she had it coming in
I I'm very impressed with your your ability to to see that
I'm because I know how it should be covered any other time on ARM
white lady get shot in America she shouldn't be the bad guy I
mean to me was the
you know the general response to Joy Joy read saying you know
white woman that's what that's why it's getting all this
coverage and the general response that I saw which of
course should have been Oh yeah, well why aren't you covering
Ashley Babbitt etc. was well because when it's a black woman,
most of the time is killed by black man. And you don't want to
tell anybody that
most of the time is interracial anytime somebody say that that's
it's amazing how they do these mind tricks on people. And
that's why I'm telling people like be based in it be based in
something like that's why I'm big on law. That's why I'm big
on math. It's logic, right? It's okay, I can make sense of this.
When you are based solely in teams and sides and those kinds
of things. Yeah,
you don't you don't work. They can jerk
you around. I mean, they can they can completely jerk you
around and tell you what it does. It makes you look silly.
Because it's like, oh, no, I thought you were pro cops. Or
anti cops and like it's like it's it's the perfect monster
like you said, But um, yeah, I was just, I was like, if I heard
like, If they said, innocent, unarmed we're not not We're
innocent cuz she was committing a crime but innocent in the fact
of not being a threat to an armed person if that was a black
man coming through a window and a white man has shot him. all
hell broke loose. Again. Oh yeah.
Oh absolutely. you're nailing that you're nailing that.
Yep. All right, so let's go ahead and go to the 35.
Here's a summary of what the followers of this conspiracy
theory belief. They believe there's an evil organization
made up of people who worship Satan, and they also cause other
types of harm. The leaders of this evil organization tend to
be entertainers and politicians. Donald Trump is a part of this
ongoing battle with these evil people. Ashley Babbitt had a
particular dedication to Trump, she was a militant supporter of
his at some point drilling will bring about what the followers
referred to as the storm, and the Great Awakening, again,
Babbitt's specifically referred to the storm, the storm is when
Trump will rest the evildoers and send them to prison. The
storm is really about aggression, and revenge, it's
when the conspiracy theorist will punish the people who
laughed at them. Now the Great Awakening is different. This is
when the beliefs of the followers will be validated,
when all the people in the world will realize that this whole
time along the followers were correct. So these conspiracy
theorists actually believe that they have some type of special
knowledge, perhaps they are chosen, or just incredibly
intelligent, and they can see and understand what the rest of
the population cannot. So everybody's being fooled, except
them. After the storm in the Great Awakening, a utopia will
be established. And the followers of the conspiracy
theory will be exalted as heroes, people who save the
world from certain destruction. Yeah, that sums
it up pretty well, I'd
say. What once again there, Megan Q and on the opposite the
polar opposite of science, we're in the same way or the same
paradigm, but it's a polar opposite of we have secret
knowledge that you can't understand, isn't it? how
science is put on us? You You, you know, you can't research
your research. Like, you have a PhD and, you know, whatever
you're saying whatever science or, you know, you didn't you
didn't code Microsoft. You know, that didn't make you a expert on
vaccines, you know, that kind of thing. So but it's the opposite
end of it that you don't know what these symbols mean. You
know, you can't interpret this language. The signs that we're
being given, it's a religion. Well, not another religion.
That's
a technocratic religion. Yeah, the technocrats that the the
experts know best. And they just have to be managed in the
messaging is funneled, and there's consensus and that's
technocrats. That's and that's, that's 1984 technocrats.
Yeah. So like I said, they put these people in the same boat,
but they don't realize it like You sound just like the
scientists. But you can't understand this. You don't have
enough brain power to decide what goes in your body for
yourself. Like what like how? Yeah, so but I found it
fascinating. And I bet you that's the first time in world
history that military has been used in the same sense that with
a white woman, because militant were reserved for black men and
black women the like, how was her who was the was the famous
black female Black Panther. Ah, stylish decor. Yes. Yeah, she
would be she would be classified as militant.
Right, but I never heard that term. No. Welcome to the bottom
I tell you when I say this, I say in jest you start throwing
around like Mills I almost fell off my chair when I heard that
that one was doing for me. I was like militant. I've never heard
that used for our Caucasian or white female. I never heard I
mean, my
right I'm searching my brain. I think you're right.
Wow. So he was more left leaning if I had to guess, more of the
mainstream media type coverage of it. Now we got to go out the
outtake with claim book and get their take on not only we're not
going to really talk about Ashley Babbitt but more of
officer burn and his coverage in media
interview last night on NBC News with Lieutenant Michael Byrd,
who it's been rumored I think on the internet for a while that he
was in fact The the individual involved here, but he is the
Capitol Hill police officer who shot Ashley Bab in the neck, no
clay and I, you know, I've had some background in law
enforcement and, and baseline tactical training. Clay
obviously is a lawyer, we wanted to go through some of this. And
really, first of all, it was a, they couldn't have tried to make
it a more favorable platform for officer burns narrative, you'll
hear that yourself. We want to take this though piece by piece
and address. I mean, for me, this is the whole thing is
outrageous, because the politics involved are quite clear in
terms of how this has been handled. But let's start with
Michael Byrd, saying that he showed tremendous courage in the
shooting
of the course I do. That is very vital point. And it's something
that is frightening. I believe I showed the most carriage on
January 6, and it's time for me to do that now. The utmost
courage clay. I have you heard any of the officers involved in
fatal shootings that got a lot of national attention? And
including times when an assailant was reaching for a gun
or going for a knife? Have you heard any of them ever say,
Well, I showed tremendous courage and shooting that
person?
No. And if they did, we already have protests. But there would
be mass rioting in the streets.
Yeah, clean buck. They took rush limbaugh slot.
Yeah. Can you imagine the cop or cops that shot Briana Taylor
say really courageous that day, we're I'll show some
courage. But Matt, just just let that soak in. And I didn't I
usually don't use sound bites. But Lieutenant Byrd, I'm going
to let you know now on the last tapes. I'm going to go through
that majority of that 36 minute interview, sit down with him
good because I didn't want to, like I said they've been this
has been a nine hour show. Just breaking that down in itself.
But once again, of all the officers. It had to be a black
man. Yeah, not a white woman. Are you kidding?
Me? So but you know, if you say that, and this was something
that has been hammered out incessantly, you know, it's
called What about ism. So it's like, well, if that were Trump,
but this is so it's such a cool way of showing it. It's like
please look at the polar opposites of the of the
situation.
That if you're thinking and speaking binary, because it was
make your site right or wrong, what I'm doing is and what we're
doing is looking at the nuances of the story, and say look at
this is perfect, in a tear in a tragic way. But in perfect that
you have the black black man that pulled the trigger in
America, the shadow white on unarmed woman that was going
into property, we are awesome or property doesn't. You're saying
human lives Trump property? But it was like, Okay, yeah, cool. I
don't know. I'm all for it. Cuz she was militant? Like, I could
say, but I knew he was black. When I didn't bring him out.
When they hit him. for that long. I was like, yeah, yeah.
And there's a timing. There's a timing that goes with this. It
was why they brought him out and when they brought him out, but
let's let clay and buck finish up first, just
think what the reaction would be on Black Lives Matter. If a
white police officer who shot an unarmed protester had said all
of these things, what the reaction would be compared to
the comparative crickets. In response to this, let's just
keep playing these clips because, again, I think a large
part of our audience has not heard all of these quotes, and
certainly as you said, Buck, this gentleman had not even been
named prior to this interview that he just decided to do.
Here he is discussing that he believed Ashley Babbitt was
posing an imminent threat. Remember, this is a an unarmed
woman, still on the other side of the door, trying to break in
and open a door. He has the gun drawn for quite as plenty of
time he can see exactly what's going on. It's on video, we have
video of this encounter. Here is what he says had
been yelling and screaming as loud as I was. Please stop, get
back, get back. Stop. We have a weapon strong.
We see your arm out there for a considerable amount of time. Are
we wavering?
I was taking a tactical stance, you're ultimately hoping that
your commands will be complied with? And unfortunately, they
were not
what did you think as individuals doing it that
he was posing a threat to the United States? House of
Representatives?
Not threat to me, not a threat to me. Listen to what he said
again, at the very last 15 seconds. I'm sorry about that.
Yeah, no, it's no problem. Yeah, you were so right about that
the holding that your commands will be complied with? And
unfortunately, they were not what did you think as
individuals doing it? He was posing a threat to United States
House of Representatives.
Oh, first of all, he says that she wasn't responding to his
commands. What? I didn't hear him command anything on any
audio.
Right. And then the other thing is, he didn't say she was a
threat to me. Which I think that's imminent threat is to
you, not to whatever you're protecting.
I'm not sure what the rules are. I'm not sure what
for I could say from my law degree from SBU. Law order Fbu.
I'm a proud graduate. That's how I understand it to be it has to
be your life needs to be now it might be different from federal
police or Capitol Police. I don't know what you're saying he
meant he didn't say me. He didn't say she was a threat to
me. If he said that, I wouldn't even say okay, well, you don't
know what a person has. Right. You know, you know, I would take
it differently. But I can say I don't want to be but I don't
want to belabor the point. But it was just fascinating. I could
say this. You say psyops, and I don't use that word. I don't use
that word. You're saying it, but what are you doing here? What
what are we doing here? Seriously? What what? How could
you? How could you make you couldn't if you wrote this to my
without a script out?
Like No, I'm really disappointed in myself. It because, you know,
I see all these things, but I didn't see it all the way
through. And I'm really happy that you brought this up and how
you unfolded this because I Gosh, I mean, obviously, it's
the whole system does this. You know, there was another example
today where President Biden said or his Jen circle back Jen said,
well, President Biden is not taking questions from the press
because you're not on point you're not asking questions that
are about the meeting that he's having. And I'm like, holy shit,
you know, it's like that was if Trump said that as they would
always ask questions had nothing to do with the with the world
leader who was sitting there with them
with taxes. Are you really sure taxes?
Yeah, so So I mean, 45 savage was, you know, his his message
is become a bit cliche, but they really are public enemy number
one,
a him in America, Mexico. But there's a reason if you forgive
yourself, there's a reason why you didn't get into this. There
was something simultaneously going on. At the time when
Lieutenant Byrd came out and had his interview that could
possibly be a smokescreen. 38
I'm joined now by Congressman Madeline dean of Pennsylvania,
one of the lawmakers whose life officer Byrd was protecting that
day and Congresswoman I just want to give you the opportunity
to react what you've just seen and heard.
First, joy, thank you for including me on this
heartbreaking day. Yeah, for our country. And so my sympathies to
the servicemembers families to the 13. Now, I guess that we
have lost in 15 wounded and, of course, scores of Afghans and
others. I condemn the terrorist attacks, we have to continue on
this mission. But joy, that interview, I was staggered. To
learn that it was Lieutenant Byrd who made that announcement
on the floor of the house. For the last seven months. I have
wondered, who wasn't trying to help save our lives. I was out
in the gallery that day, as they told us first sit down, prepare
to lie down, then get your guest masks out from under your seat.
And then that announcement, they they've infiltrated the rotunda
and tear gas has been deployed. I have wondered for months, who
did that to save our lives. And what I want people to know is
Number one, thank you. Thank you. Number two, I hope people
understand the proximity of where he was first on the
rostrum, and then where Ashley Babbitt was shot. It was feet
away after Ashley Babbitt, sadly with all those other riders
broke through security gate after security gate after
security gate.
Yeah, that would have been something to cover it up that
little news.
How can we I mean, it's like Bill Cosby getting convicted. He
was saying at the same time, we had a what's the Kavanaugh case?
How convenient. I mean, just 13 days soldiers outcomes.
Lieutenant Byrd all of a sudden out of the blue.
T Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm glad you're 10
years younger than me.
forgive you. Like I said, I know. You were down that rabbit
hole.
at work. That's true,
man. Yeah,
I was I was on, you know, like telegram and signal with people
in Qatar in Afghanistan. Yeah, that's true. Well, again, that's
why there's there's two of us. This is good news. Different
beats. Yeah, different beats. But yeah, I just find that
interesting. The timing of that. And the other thing I found
strange is now I've seen a lot of 24. I've seen a lot of
homeland. And he shows is it really our representatives laid
out where you're at? Really, that's what we're doing? What
did you see
those gas masks that they look like the things that drop out of
the overhead bin in the airplane?
I'm saying but the reaction plan is to lay down where you're at,
like there's no tunnels then. I'm highly disappointed in my
government. By I mean, you take Yeah, it really we don't have
secret elevators that you know, oh, no, no,
some some representatives do. Absolutely. Pelosi was out real
quick. They had pans out real quick. They were all in they
were all in the tunnels and stuff. Oh, for sure. But you
know, there's like a little room
or something like, I've seen homeland? I
don't know. I guess not. I guess that's all it's all fake.
I'm doubting I'm seriously disappointing. When, whenever
somebody a real threat rose up, he was going to lay down on the
floor. Everything.
laid on the floor, everything will be okay. Everything will be
okay. It'll be fine. It'll be fine.
Like you say I put the airline mask on just later. She thanked
me for that. I don't know who did it for seven months. I
wanted to know, he was the one who put this change into place.
I'm gonna lay down the floor and be a waiting target. Wow. Like
that just shocked me. But yeah, yeah. This. It was covered. It
would mean to be I mean, to be honest with you, I believe it
was, well, whether it was used as cover.
Yeah, right. Right. The interview when I'm saying the
interview with Tom Oh, totally. Yeah, let's reclaim the
narrative here. We don't want to talk about Yo, get through this
24 hour news cycle right quick and then we can get better
business. Um, well, we know captured the footage that you
alluded to, cuz we talked about in our show 57. Let's get into
john Sullivan.
And Kelly and Bob James Sullivan says he turned in tips about his
brother to the FBI here in Salt Lake City. He says he believes
that his brother was not only involved in the riot at the
Capitol, but somehow in charge. Full disclosure, the FBI has
been in contact with me. JOHN Sullivan posted to his Twitter
on Wednesday,
I got the call, as I said against Dave that he was going
to be apprehended by the FBI.
John's brother James says he first learned his brother was at
the US Capitol. When friends started texting him these
pictures, then john posted the video to you. Like, I'm just
trying
to record what he was going in there to document it. But he
also was part of the entity for groups. I
also, you know, want to want to support the black community out
here too, in the best way that I can. That's my belief. I believe
the Black Lives Matter. I mean, I'm not here to assert myself
and my beliefs on
other people.
I just want to give people the footage the video, the
FBI office in Salt Lake City would not confirm they were
investigating Sullivan or any utahns I want to
condemn absolutely condemned the shameful violence that we saw on
January 6, US Capitol
when it's still love, john, but again, that's something that he
needs to know
The criminal complaint against john includes violent entry.
john was also charged by Provo police officers back in July of
2020. For criminal mischief and rioting in Salt Lake City, Aaron
Cox, Fox 13 News.
Now he's talking about dividing families. Yeah. James, his
brother ratted him out ratted him out now, both of you, you
want to hear something very interesting course, their
father, adoptive father, Major General Kevin J. Sullivan, of
the United States Air Force was caught in a shady deal
transferring nuclear fuse fuses via Taiwan.
Back in 2008. And now you're too black or biracial son adopted
sons are in the middle of the insurgency or the storming the
Capitol. That's not, of course, not connected.
How did you find that? You only clips on that, or do you just
not have
it? No, it was the article. There was no clips. It was a big
news story. I mean, if you look it up, set, it was 17. It was 17
officers that were involved. And they were caught with
transferring nuclear fuses. Oh,
well, that's that's almost as good as, as the Boston bombers,
you know, and their uncle is a CIA agent.
What's the chances? And then, you know, come on, what's the
chances? But that goes to show you that this is brother against
brother. Now is it designed to be that way? I don't know. But
it's just the coincidence of your dad getting caught
transfuse on transferring nuclear fuses to Taiwan? In a
big scandal, and then your two sons get caught up in this on
both sides of it, because one is super conservative. And one is
super Black Lives Matter. liberal. Crazy What's going on?
What's going on in that house? And then how are you forgot?
Remember john john was a Olympic skater. Can we cover that? NPD?
That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah.
Which had an over commercial, which I'll be also showing on
the live. He just so happens to have Uber commercial too. When
I'm not driving for over Are you kidding me? see somebody parking
me. That's beautiful. So I'm just to go to show you how the
local news does coverage or lack of coverage. There was the claim
made that NTV was in the capital Yes, that day, proven through
the john Sullivan. situation. But listen how no local news
covers. The question of verifying was an Tifa. behind.
There are a lot of claims that the people who broke into the
Capitol on Wednesday weren't Trump supporters, but were
actually an Tifa. Members. Us representative mo Brooks says
the evidence is growing that antifa quote, orchestrated
capital attack with clever mob control tactics. So let's break
this claim down. Starting with these images. This anti fog
comrades flyer is being shared a ton. With claims it tells an
Tifa members to disguise themselves as Trump supporters,
but a reverse image search shows that this image is more than two
months old. It was originally shared on articles like this on
Election Day, November 3, and as you can see, the image has the
date November 4, clearly in the text, we're marking this false.
Then there's this claim a man in the hallway of the Capitol with
a tattoo on his hand, which these posts say is the communist
hammer and sickle. But a higher resolution image from Getty
photos shows it's clearly not the hammer and sickle. It's
actually a logo from a video game. This claim is false. Then
there are tons of claims about this shirtless man wearing a
horned hat. This is not a Trump supporter. This is a staged anti
fur attack. Well we tracked him down This is Jake and jelly.
He's easy to find online as an outspoken q anon supporter. In
fact, President Trump
there you president
he's posting photos of Johnny and has been photographed
protesting against groups like Black Lives Matter and antiva in
the past Wednesday night, he actually posted that quote, I am
not an Tifa or BLM I'm a que anon and digital soldier so
claims this man is an anti factor in disguise are false.
Now there are more examples of people falsely being labeled
anti fur and false messages.
That was that's a great that's a great ISO. I got to get that
left the local news stymieing the you know the claim the anti
was in there which clearly James makes give me john works with
Black Lives Matter and he actually got kicked out of black
lives matter for doing being too radical. Oh, and then on the
other side James worked closely with the proud boys. What what's
going right Seriously? What is going on?
That's pretty extreme and one family
wish wish and I have an article here from no queue report. It
says that they will they This is have been on opposite sides of
ideological spectrum since George Floyd video released last
spring. So that was the that was the trigger word that
was the trigger when the when the when they split into one and
zero.
Yeah. So well, I have john Sullivan on Anderson Cooper, but
you're not going to hear her speak. But I believe he was with
her his handler What's her name? Jade.
had her name he Jaden x something
No, no, that's it. That was his name. Her name was Jade. Hold
let me find it. Don't know. But yeah, of course you don't cuz
nobody. She didn't speak the whole time. So she was just
there handling Mr. Cooper, J. Sacher, who is a CNN photo
journalist that never did anything for seeing in her life.
But that's how she was saw. That's all she was sold to the
to the masses. But this is john Sullivan. And she's sitting six
inches from his face. While he speaks to people
who were there. JOHN is now a documentary filmmaker Jane
sacker and left wing activist john Sullivan. JOHN you filmed
this moment on your phone just can't describe what happened.
Yeah, so basically all the protesters kind of storm to get
into the chamber we tried to get into like the main entrance
right when you walk down the hallway, but that being said,
Nobody was able to get it because there's two guards
refusing to move people there we're not really wanting to hurt
the police. So like they went down a different alleyway they
went to like the left of the main entrance of the chambers
and then took a ride down the hallway that then entered into
that glass windows that you see there to their left by like four
or five police officers right at the forefront. And I remember
just looking up and seeing one of them like crying saying they
want to go home to their kids.
So how was how was this lady shot? I mean, she was in go
trying to get through the door. And it was it. Do you did you
see who shot her?
Yeah. So I was getting to that part. So immediately after they
started breaking through the glass, once they broke through
the glass, they're using like flagpoles and whatever they had
to kind of fast through the windows. The on the right hand
side, this lady was able to like make her way all the way through
the window. all we see is these guns come out of the doorways
just guns guys, all you can see is their hand and that's it you
can see faces. And right when I saw that I was yelling to people
I was like, Guys, there's guns, there's guns. You don't want to
go through there like that. They're like everybody shoot,
like not just like hold it there and run away. Everybody gonna
shoot to kill,
huh?
guns. And I got a wonderful clip that was in Audible, but it has
the subtitles to wit him and Jade. So there is a
grant. So this guy, they made such a big deal about him with
his footage. But really, he was just there to propagate more
messaging.
Yes. But then I had to take him down. No, well, for whatever
reason. It was. Yeah, but j soccer. I can't find anything on
her her was that her website, um, that she's done some
interesting photo journalism. But like I said, I have the
footage of her and him in the in the, in the Capitol. He's I told
you, I could get you in there. And like, he's not like he liked
her. He was I told you, I get you here. And she's like, Oh,
this is awesome. JOHN asked me and she was like, he was like, I
love you. And she's like, What do you say? He's like nothing.
He was saying like he was clearly he was clearly enamored
with her and like to see what the honeypot and she let him in
there. She got the footage that she wanted and he was left
swinging in the wind. That's how I see it. Yeah, yes. This is why
the internet these newsletters are so valuable, because it's
certain things that we can't show here that I can show there
that I found when I go down the rabbit hole. That is you know,
it was interesting. Like you can really hear it very well. Not we
could we could work my way through it. But no, I think it's
very more powerful if you actually watch the
point time. What time do the lives drop? Eight o'clock
Wednesday. Eastern eastern standard time
and and the show same time Wednesday town
okay yep so Wednesday eight o'clock come to mo facts on
YouTube and you'll find something something going on
over there either a new show or the laugh I lost eight and
we premiered on on the YouTube and then we we get it up on the
podcast after that
yeah right after the premiere is over we'll drop it to the caucus
apps so that way people can get on our routine with us as far as
um and it helps the reason why would I know you're like why are
we going to YouTube if we're trying to go away from it as
like one man TV say we're trying to grow big so we can come away
from YouTube right in fact we're doing a honey pot
here's mo he's the honey
Alright, so that's what we that's we we have to use the
algorithms against them. Once that engagement happens it's
going to send the message to be fun and you know also likes
shares and comments because that triggers the algorithm as well
like I said we just need to know what what what a game we're
playing here yeah we can you know we can beat him and then
we'll just take a look podcast 2.0 Thanks so I know this is
kind of a heavy show. And I don't these last two clips I
don't know where to put this. I don't know if this is government
control. I don't know if this is natural. I don't know if this is
a performance art. But this is a command a Ghazi from the blend
of black hammers. And this is East he Sue's message to anti
fur one.
Oh and Tifa is me kasi the commander in chief of black hair
organization land back I heard you had some not so nice things
to say about me. I heard you had some nice things to say about my
hammers. Not so nice things to do. So one of my members one of
my dear dear members an African Filipino mother talks and
thought she could get away with it thought we're gonna back down
that's not gonna happen. messed with the wrong one this time?
Yes. Oh, yes, you did. Oh, yes, you can because we don't take it
lightly. When harm is done, to our African colonized women,
that's why black hammer we say touch one. Touch one. Touch 1141
you test one of us. So now you've taught all of us and
we're gonna have to do something about it.
Okay, is this is this the same color? Is this the same black
hammer? Who was saying stand with us? We're against the
vaccines were behind Nicki Minaj or am I confused?
Ah ha that's the same one
holy crap man she's acting there I don't know who she is but
that's the he that's uh he
yes you got to do what you got to do it we got some look we are
live in town live go to you to type in Ethan's like I said the
same thing is in the in the title. Okay, hold
on a sec. He sews message he Sue's message to an Tifa just so
I can see it right and that's what this is all about. Okay,
hold on a second let me
you got to have a visual of this
okay
Alright, here we go. Is it plan Come on Oh, hold on a second.
For some reason it's not coming through.
Headphones Here we go.
Yeah, it's got the hammer No,
you see I just want you to see I want you to see him.
Yeah. Why would the white face though the white maybe?
Yes. And the Joker what's going on here but now I want I'm gonna
play the second clip. I want you to get a visual.
Yeah, I got my visual. It's scary. Mo
southie I don't know if this is real. I don't know if this is
like a splinter sale. Like you know, they couldn't. Well,
really, man. I don't I don't know. where to put this but
for all I know this is a white guy playing the black guy with
white face
I mean where his his pictures in the white face okay that is
appropriation if we if we want to if we want to be to the
letter of the law Yeah, he is appropriating whiteness with it
with the face I mean if we want to be to the letter of the law
of oneness This is even more fascinating
okay hold on hold on a second hold on a second I'm looking at
their website you love this don't you? I'm looking at their
website okay donate and you always got to click the donate
button to see where the donations going and so we got to
follow the money people let's see
the live curry cash check folks.
No, I'm impressed. I'm impressed. They've got Bitcoin
Bitcoin donations. Okay, that's not bad. Let's see what that's
got to see where it's going to ah, it'll it'll take me too long
because I got to fill in some information. This I will have
Okay, I say this. Can you give it to me so I can relate to
people? Oh, yeah. On on. On the last day. Oh, heck yeah. I mean,
this is gonna be fun. This is gonna be fun. Cuz now I get to
stop you and you get to go do your thing. Then we get to feed
it back to the people.
This This group is something else Mo.
You want to hear more? Yeah. Okay,
let's play let's play the next year
to talk about me. You want to call me anti semitic. You wanted
to call me an anti vaxxer cuz we're against vaccines. You
wanted to call me all kinds of horrific things. When I don't
really give a damn. And none of us give a damn well, where you
went wrong was when you docked one of my members an amazing
African Filipino mother and you made her so worried about her
own safety that she had to pay for more expensive security
system that she could barely afford it because you know that
the reality of us poor and working class people we don't
have money to spend and especially not with COVID taking
all of our jobs away. So we told you you need to pay up. We told
you you need to give reparations to our comrades that you mirror
all those nasty things you want to say about me and say about my
pattern
you want to call out for movement but we're not gonna let
it happen not this time. Mayo boys and girls in your suburban
world What a joke but our hashtag done so you can cut
outside of your video game and break down some businesses while
you've been messing up because you've been destroying black and
brown businesses
is this the same group that was going to you know get some land
in Colorado and this is performance art and this is this
has got to be the largest troll in the world or perhaps a very
sophisticated op that is unfolding slowly
I don't know that's why I said I don't know where to put this
because Are you burning an Tifa Are you willing to go out to any
vaccine like that and up and up and not
look at this sellout AOC dropping jaws and dropping bombs
they got they've got a they've got a real organization here
with people this this website is is maintained you know something
that's not bad. This is a good cheese.
Fascinating. Like I said, I don't I had to lean. You're not
going to bring up those hot button issues. But it's like
what what do you do with them? Like what what's going on? I
don't know. I said, I found it fascinating. I thought that
would give me a good way to end the show. We're in I know when
people say we're in a simulation by red light waves going on
here.
Well this is put together by some script kiddies. But they
have they have the organizational manual, which is
pretty detailed. And you know how to organize Okay, this is
there's something sophisticated. going on here, huh? There's
something very sophisticated here. And they've been doing
this this isn't they're not brand new. No, they're not brand
new. Oh my god. Well, Mo thank you once again for all that.
Appreciate it. Man. That's a wrap on binary thinking.
Everybody has had their two shots. If you listen to the show
so far, have your you know the vaccine to heal you know people
who are listening, be empathetic listening.
And don't worry, don't worry if your immunity wanes we've got a
booster with live next Wednesday and another show like a booster
after that and a booster every week if you want.
Yeah, we got boost every two weeks.
Mo Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for doing such a
great job man. This This was I always learn something. And
sometimes it's just like, Wow, my mouth, my jaw drops open. And
this was one of those moments. It was great job really cool.
I appreciate Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to
everything and the truth reveal itself.
Remember to support our small facts calm mo I will talk to you
within the week.
Yeah, I'll see you later. I'll
see y'all next week. Everybody Bye.
Walk into your gut, his Sherman's stamp. And can you
just wait.
Just that's mentioned. When you feel good.
Just saying you
can make me and you