Moe facts with Adam Curry for September 14 2021 welcome to
episode number 66. We're on our schedule two weeks on off and
happy to be here once again I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of
Texas Hill Country and somewhere in Northern Virginia my friend
on the other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. Mo facts Wow, that
was perfect. Whole intro like you were a wrestler coming up,
you know? Good mo you man. How's everything going there?
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Like I said, we're on
schedule.
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All right, here we go. There it is. Big Ass wheels topics round
around. It goes where stop nobody knows except of course mo
because puts it all together and figures it out. What is the
topic for Episode 66 of mo facts with Adam Curry.
Loves pot love. Like Star Trek. Remember that the Star Trek
theme song when it was black and white? Oh yeah, it was like
alright, potluck. Good. So we would do we got a couple of
topics for today.
We got a handful of topics we're gonna cover to be exact for
blocks. Okay, have some current events that's been going on that
I've been keeping an eye on so we're happy to talk about them.
And these are the topics that don't really need a full show or
sometimes they can spin off until for show depending on how
far we go into it. But and there's a theme to this one.
okay to say um
there is nothing versus a theme to it.
There's a sub theme to the theme Mr. Jones, we have to talk about
it. We had to put some respect on the man's name with the horse
pace debacle we saw the news media oh
do I hit do i do i do the next topic thing here is that just go
ahead and let's get into it. Oh, LeBron James has a mandate of
heaven now. Okay, so somehow this fits into Alex Jones
Well, he's gonna be a running theme through the show because
oh when I'm done here is topics that he's thrown out like he's
like Kanye right? Um what like the fish sticks you're gay if
your fist sticks and well yeah, they talking means or what me
and my man young girl Call me when nice right? Is they talking
me he's talking to these like catchphrases. So when you hear
this stuff is like, easily dismissed. But in the show, I
have a handful of statements he's made Yeah, that I want to
deep dive into and one the first one being LeBron James has a
mandate from heaven. So it's gonna be a fun show. Little you
know, we get little conspiratorial on. Yeah, you
don't say no, no, no, never anything like that.
I guess we mean, if you're ready
to. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready for all of it. It's my
favorite people. LeBron James Alex Jones. We're good to go as
all
of you if you weren't just to warn people.
Good. Good cuz I got stuff to talk about whenever. Hopefully
it's about Donda.
Well, we're not gonna go actual Kanye, but I had It is so okay
just to bring ourselves back from the edge of going for Alex
Jones. So
okay, hold on a second. This will make us feel much better.
Come on Mary finagle Alex Jones. Come on.
Come on. So this is CBS, Los Angeles.
Well, Brian James says the decision on whether or not he
gets the COVID-19 vaccine will probably be kept private, adding
it's a conversation between you and your family and not for
everybody else. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver indicated the league
would not require players to get the vaccine, nor would it
require fans to be vaccinated in order to attend games. Katie
Johnston for CBS la?
Yeah, this is a big topic I've been hearing about this.
He's been trying to hide in the weeds of saying it's a personal
decision, whether it's not a big deal if I say it or not. And the
NBA is kind of box them in, because they're going to the
local mandates of if you're not vaccinated, you don't play. So
we're going to look at that whole thing. And if there's a
sub topic in the sub topic that I want to follow as well, it all
connects as it always does. Um, so have you been like you said,
You've heard this so?
Well, I mean, that's exactly. You know, I've been studying NBA
from a different angle, the owners and Epstein, which I hope
to Wow, you with one of these days. It's like, it's like crazy
when you look into the depths of that and how coincidental it all
is an Apollo management. So this other stuff is, you know, I've
been, I'm a little COVID tired. Okay, and I'm a little brand
tired as well, I have to admit. So. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I
kind of know what's going on. So I'm, I can't wait to hear at
all.
So what I want to do is show you how, when it's time to speak,
the pressure will be applied, and you can't just duck down in
the weeds and, and not say I don't want to make a comment,
you know, that doesn't work. They did it with that with him
and on China. Yeah, we're gonna try. No, that did not work at
all. It did not work. But I will say this, I think LeBron James
knows he has the timing, to understand that if he says, he's
gonna take it, he's gonna take a big hit to his following. So
he's trying to play the middle, because he was vaccinated, or
was that vaccine friendly? He would just come out, say it
right, even though I'm taking it, you know, right. run on my
sleeve. I don't care what's in it. Now. I
mean, obviously, if you're gonna act like that, we know what's
up.
Right. So I want to go into the pressure tactics that they use.
And one of the pressure points they're using is Stephen A
Smith. From first take,
I don't blame the players have been hesitant to promote vaccine
vaccines, considering our nation's history and our
mistrust of the federal government. We know that
history, we don't have time to get into it. But I think
considering the number of people who have been vaccinated, which
are obviously in the millions, and the fact that it's
indiscriminate, there are black and whites, and others that have
taken a vaccine, I do think it's time for all of us to adopt a
mentality that if we have the opportunity to do it is
something that we should do. And if they come my way with it, I
will take the vaccine.
Let me address what you just said quickly. Sure. I think as
Americans, we are used to a situation where money and power
gives you greater access to things and people feel that
that's normal. I think if I were running a league, and I could
get my hands on vaccines and I could legally distributed I
would to the players. If you're asking me as an independent
arbiter, do I think that that's ethical, or moral? The answer's
No, I don't. So I disagree with you on principle, but in
practice, we probably see I think there is a case to be made
on economic lines along the ones you're making. I think the best
way to do it is what the most effective way we seen
internationally is you start with the oldest people because
there's even more with underlying conditions. The
oldest Do you know, 85 and over 75, and over 65, and over do it
like that and people with underlying conditions and first
responders and then the rest of us wait for it.
So this was early on? Yeah. And I know in the vaccine rollout,
even Steven a Smith was hesitant as you heard him saying Yeah,
but obviously somebody taught me Steven Naismith. And he wait a
minute. Was it a phone? Is that what happened? Did you get a
phone call?
I don't know which way the phone call might have been dialing in
the headquarters like hey,
I don't know. Yeah.
So as you get here in this one, Max Kellerman, kind of top
Steven Naismith on and it starts to irk Steven Naismith, so we're
gonna get into that as well. So anything you want to address
mean no no
Keep it rolling. Mo I'm loving this. I mean these are names I
don't even know you know, I got to look them up while you're
talking. I am not Mr. Basketball.
No, it's not about basketball we've we spotted early on in the
NBA was the League of choice sure for the vaccine rollout
being Rudy go bear was the first one to catch the major athlete
who does he play for?
He plays for the Utah Jazz Okay, um and you know that's when they
shut down the league they had the horrible the NFL again they
have the vaccine mandate um, what they leave it up to the
players not to take it if they want to now with heavy fines
gets a little more serious. Yeah, I guess they're more
serious.
Right. But the NBA has been all in since the beginning like I
said with the bubble down and Disney and all of that stuff and
Black Lives Matter on the court and all those things so they've
been very vaccine friendly.
So of course in China's still trying to kill us and that's
their their weapon of choice is the NBA. Where there you have
it, just just say, and not conspiratorial anything just
laying it out there.
If they give a fake looks to beat Well, I will say with walks
like a duck and quacks like a duck. So we have next Charles
Barkley, and he's going to speak on vaccine priority.
I think they should let the NBA players and coaches all get the
vaccine. That's just my personal opinion. I don't I don't know.
That's what people were talking about the front of the line, we
need 300 million shots up giving 1000 to some NBA players. What
about what about NFL NFL? The NFL players hockey players?
Listen as much taxes these players pay. Let me repeat that.
It's much taxes these players pay they deserve some
preferential treatment for for life and death. Yes, the amount
of money you make no taxes, amount of money you make what
amount of taxes these guys pay it they we can't go there. You
got to take care of the elderly in the in the at risk. I totally
agree. We need to take care of the first responders and the old
people. But I'm saying given a couple of 1000 shots to the NBA
players is not gonna change the world. I'm just saying it just
making saving favors not changing the world while you're
going to them first because we listen, I'm just saying we Why
do they get the preferential? Why do we all I'm saying why
don't we get the preference of if we're gonna try to play
basketball, right? We're gonna keep having COVID outbreak Okay.
That that discussion could go on? And you know, there's no
right or wrong answer here.
Isn't Barkley old enough to qualify for elderly first?
He's right on the cusp.
Gotta be close. He's gotta be
No, wait, weight issues and things like that. They might
bump them up even more because, you know, comorbidities and
whatnot. But this is Charles not being read in. And they're
trying to walk him back. Did you? Did you notice?
Oh, totally, totally. Like, look at my eyes. Charles looking my
eyes. Listen to what I'm saying.
He's saying the millionaires and elite should get the shot before
everybody else, which I totally agree with. I agree with.
They should totally do it in public. And they should wait for
like 30 minutes so we can make sure that they're okay. That's a
very good idea. Yes.
monitor for 30 days. Yeah, of course. Now you can fire up the
phone.
Here is Charles.
Number four.
I know that. That that you you speak your mind that, as I said
that you're so honest about sharing your opinions? Have you
ever said anything that you wish that you would have said
differently or not said at all?
Yeah, I'm so glad you asked my question. I said some last week.
Believe it or not, it was a stupid thing to say that I think
these NBA players I think they should get I said and I said it,
even though I believe it. I think they should get the
vaccine because we have no idea how plants force is going to
have effect on you down the line. If you get this virus, and
you're gonna try to play basketball, I think they should
get the shot. But I made it seem like they were more important
than other people and they're not. And it came out stupid. And
I apologize if everybody was offended. But like I say, I want
my players to be safe when they can get that vaccine. I hope
they get it because, you know, we have no idea how this thing
gonna affect people in 10 2030 years, but I came up with the
person and Apologize I've been about a took it like that.
Well, I'm glad you got to apologize. And we're gonna we're
gonna take a break. We're gonna play a game with Charles. When
we come back, we'll be back.
Wow, holy
crap. Shut up. Shut up. I'm sorry. I'm so David. First of
all, he said, we have no idea what's going to play out in 30
years from now. That was interesting. He he's stepping
out every step and all like a whole yard for the rakes. Every
time he says he's like, another rate makes it worse. But you see
how it works? Anything you ever wanted to apologize about? Or
you felt was stupid, you know? And this was it. That I mean
that's why he was brought on the show for to get it out to the
masses that hey, I said something stupid. I said what we
really think
was there a lot of backlash? Was there a lot of backlash about
the first the first statement he made?
Of course that's why he's on The Ellen Show. I mean, he was the
guy on Brock. I mean, daytime television while we're still on
the course.
And here's I don't understand why didn't just answer
truthfully because it would work to what we just want to be good
examples to everybody if he had said that it would have been
okay.
But what he said no, I know what he said. He says these these
guys.
They said pay a lot of taxes. They deserve it first,
right? Screw it dying old person by 1000 dead people. What is it
really nothing that says nothing to the NBA. The NBA is like Hey,
no, no, no, no, no, no you can't say that. We don't know what
this vaccine gonna do that people in 2013 can't
believe he said that he screwed it up on the on the on the make
good. So
let's Chuck for you now. But what's fascinating is Charles
Barkley was all the morning. I'm gonna apologize for anything.
I'm right. I speak my mind. Yes. Not when that phone rings and
that's why I had to bring the phone and now you're now we're
starting to see when you step out of line, you get the phone
and that's what's happening with LeBron right now.
He's the phone ain't rang yet. Or you know, or you know, or
they send them like a bootleg text. It's like I said to send
you a text and one emoji that's how it starts isn't one emoji on
text. Oh, Okay, I got it.
So now we go back to first take and this is I got to set this up
a little bit. So Max Kellerman, aka Black's Kellerman has always
been known for one upping Steven Naismith and the black category
as we explored on episode 16.
I was gonna say a long time ago that we talked about that,
right, but it's just came to a head and clip number six, we're
going to hear example of him one upping Steven Naismith
athletes should not be forced into positions where they must
publicly espouse that they are Affirmative. Lee, you know,
they're they're, they're, they're putting their weight on.
Yes, everyone should do this. Because if they don't feel that
way, then they shouldn't be forced into a hypocritical
position. This is However, if the vaccine is available, and
they opt not to take it they shouldn't play. Like that's what
if they don't put a public service announcement is
something else. They should not be forced to do public service
announcements, even if i think it's it's foolish not to. Now,
let me tell you why I think it's foolish not doing what I think
their problem is. In the Venn diagram, right? You have the
different circles and where they overlap is the shaded area. This
is a perfect storm, another metaphor for it. of, of this
vaccination issue. Number one, that pro athletes pro athletes
care about what they put in their body. And and anyone hears
Wait, I'm putting a dead disease in my body, even the thought of
it's disturbing to a lot of people to me, yes. You
understand the science very well, you still say I just don't
like the idea of it. And pro athletes want to be sure about
what they're ingesting. And unless it's going to help them
on the field of play, especially. That's one, two,
there's a lot of anti vaxxer nonsense out there, just
nonsense and low quality information that many among us
have have swallowed and kind of internalized and now believe the
anti vaxxer industry is utter nonsense, nonsense. That's all
nonsense. However, there's an overlap there too, because many
in the population, including in the NBA have subscribed to it,
as many people have subscribed to a lot of low quality
information in recent years. And misinformation. And three you
mentioned it, Stephen A, the United States has a bad history
with African American people don't they? And and including
experiments on African American people, right. And this is so
you are Yes. So if you're thinking, Well, I'm not going to
be you want me to take that? Are we sure about this? Are you
experimenting on me? I think all three things come into play
here.
Wow.
You can hear Stephen A Smith. Like this. That's exactly what I
was talking about max like, right? In this has been a common
thing with Max. He always an owner spectrum of black. I mean,
cuz we know black is a title not a race or a brand brand Excuse
me. Exactly. He's He's always found himself Stephen A Smith
has been seen as a conservative person. Or, you know, he even
said that black people should vote republican one time to send
a message to the Democratic Party. He quickly came back on
that statement. He got the phone, for sure. And then it
just his overall tone, and you know, and things of that nature.
So it makes it easy for max to, you know, one up him when it
comes to the blackness. So, um, Steven that you can hear the
biggest pain. Oh, yeah. And I'm Steven age voice like, you're
doing it again. Right. Um, so yeah, so it irks them. And then
you just heard him say, and this is a great opportunity for you
to ask the question about experiment, Adam. Well,
as I was gonna say that we had a I'd actually, offline off the
show I, we talked about this, and I said, Hey, man, I can
remember exactly. So I hope you remember your exact answer. I
said, you know, this Tuskegee experiment, I said, Yeah,
absolutely. It was a long time ago, and even clean. But you
know, it's so bad. Even President Clinton had to
apologize for it. But it seems like it's being used as a
crutch. Like, that's the only thing I ever hear. Not that it's
not valid, but seems a little bit like a cop out. Because, you
know, so much has happened since then, which I think is also
valid to be suspicious of government in general. So
what I yeah, what I would say it's not a crutch. It's the
repellent. It's a it's the one thing that you can say that, you
know, resonates, you know, with whoever is asking you and
putting pressure on you to say, what about Tuskegee? Right,
right. You kind of got to back off the person, which we have
our worse experiments.
Well, you said that you could discuss you said something else
to me, which which stuck in my mind. Go ahead. Well, I
said a lot about the battery mom. And this was just
Adam and Moe talking as friends. Right, which is what the show is
as well. It's just we weren't rolling tape. I said, No, here's
what you said to me. You said, Adam, you've got to understand
for black men, just using black as a brand. You said we hate
going to the doctor. Because Yeah, yeah. And I and I say, I'm
gonna spit it back to you see if I got it, right. And I said,
Okay, and by the way, I haven't seen the inside of actual
medical doctor's office in many, many years to do functional
medicine, all kinds of other stuff. Voodoo shit. Smells, and
and you say no black men, we know that the doctors only a
pillar, a knife. That's it, and it brings a whole bunch of other
crap with it. And by the way, if this black man here in Texas
feels the same way. That's why I never go. I don't want to have
any of that stuff. I don't trust him anymore.
And that's the that's the only two options you have for it. And
if you don't have a solution other than that, and and why go
I mean, you know what you need to do eat healthy exercise,
those kinds of things. But
well, I mean, there are there are some absolute things that
that needs to be looked at. But I was just surprised because
obviously, a lot of a das men go to the doctor for a high blood
pressure, and for and for diabetes.
Most of the time, that's because just a free visit. a loved one
is pressured to go. You're free physical, and I'll say like,
full disclosure, my wife is like I scheduled your free physical.
Oh, interesting is that is that kind of thing? Tina does with it
with a dentist.
It's not like we're picking up the phone line. Let me get my
blood pressure change. That kind of thing. But I also want to
bring to the show that it's used as a repellent as well for
people that may not be vaccine friendly. Because that backs you
up often we will offer Yeah, very easily. We need a new dead
black person, you know. Just wait.
I think there's a couple that we kind of overlooked who who died
within days of their vaccination.
We got a whole host of things that look at now. All
right. All right. Thank you. I'm glad we brought that back up.
But yeah, that's what they're, that's what they're alluding to.
Because the Tuskegee one is the one that every bit In the shared
consciousness of people, so it's like you say Tuskegee, and is
our magnet? Well, I'm not going to push that any further,
because I know where that goes. But you see that only has so
many legs, what's going on now and exactly in society. So, just
as a reminder, let's go back to show 16. And this is the
ultimate example of this is around the Colin Kaepernick
situation. And Steven Naismith was critical of Colin
Kaepernick, and I think this is when he did that stage workout
for Nike and that whole thing Yeah. And Tara Owens confront
Steven Naismith.
So what he wanted was transparency for people to see
the full workout to see the full Colin Kaepernick again, you
mentioned obviously Max is going to get in here like so. I'm in
the streets. Max almost seems blacker than you, Steven A. with
with with with the upcoming
commentator with all due respect, my man Oh, wait a
minute. Wait a minute. I'm gonna check you right now. You don't
cry. I'm just saying. You don't. First of all, like I say you
Eric Reid, any of y'all that wanted to bait me in front of
black people and talk about what's best for black people
named the time and place I'll show up. I don't want to hit
what's the definition of blackness? Is there a definitive
definition of blackness?
Hmm. Yeah, remember this?
So, in the meantime, there was
it was pretty, it was pretty insulting what he says you
should vote for Trump.
Especially true omens being a black man. You know what that
means? Like you couldn't he might say that over and over
again, you might get punched um yeah, you don't say that. You
just don't say that. But that was a he wanted to triggers that
even a Smith and that was a low hanging fruit to do it with but
in the meantime I have to give cash to people up on YouTube via
news co Kwame brown case cam came out and made Steven a Smith
his number one target and label their whole crew they go along
to get along gang Hey boo like
someone else. Tina was talking about this. handkerchief
handkerchief heads. Have you ever heard this term? No, I
haven't. But it's also supposed to be get along go along crew.
Thank you. Okay. Yeah,
I haven't heard that but that's what he labeled him and it
stuck. And you know, and it's putting a lot of pressure on
Stephen a smear and you can tell because he even made a reply
video to Kwame brown own his show. So that mean that tell you
how far I've gotten up on their skin. And not only has Kwame
brown gotten up on this, Steven a skin Max has and this is the
second follow up clip to what Terrell Owens said and Max had
to chime in on on what happened here and I know Max, you didn't
have a chance to jump in and I'm sure you want to respond.
Okay guys a shot of explosive when to you said tongue in
cheek. You said that Steve that I seen blacker than Stephen A
and Steven a obviously had to respond to that. And I want to
respond to that before I say what I originally wanted to say.
Which is first of all, I can't eat any more all the cookouts
I've been invited to like since this whole thing came up. I see
Steven a is having inherited not only a respect for authority,
but a working knowledge of reality and what it takes to get
ahead, no excuses. You can always look for excuses. You can
look for things to lean on. You can look for where it's not
perfect. Or you can do what you have to do, which is what Steven
a is done. And I would say that his his that your point of view,
Steven a to Steven A's point of view, is not less black
necessarily than someone else's who's more strident. It is more
conservative in certain respects. And my point of view
is oftentimes more progressive. My own background is Jewish,
secular, not religious, but Jewish secular. So one of the
things you get around Passover is act like you were a slave in
Egypt. That's how I grew up. Like you know, with that
tradition of always look at the oppressed and look for
righteousness and justice. And so I'm striking in that way.
However, me myself I did not have to go through the struggle
like that he
made it to the cookout. He made it to the barbecue. So let me
explain to you what Steven Naismith may have been hearing
as I'm a black man, right? Yes, good. Go for it here and I know
Max, you didn't have a chance to jump in and I'm sure you want to
respond.
Okay, guys a shot of explosive when to you said tongue in
cheek. You said that, Steve that I seem blacker than Stephen A
and Stephen A obviously had to respond to that. And I want to
respond to that before I say what I originally wanted to say,
which is first of all, I can't eat any more all the cookouts
I've been Decided to like since this whole thing came up. I see
Stephen A is having inherited not only a respect for
authority, but a working knowledge of reality and what it
takes to get ahead.
Yeah. That respect for authority. Yeah.
Where's that coming from?
That? No, that's it. He's a good house slave. Yeah.
Well, either that or she listened to your mom because
she'll whoop your ass. But yeah, I took it that way, too.
Right. Let's bring in Steve. I know he's over there saving Cz.
Us respectful. And then he uses word like straining. So I mean,
let's keep going. Oh, I'm
sorry. I didn't I didn't realize you want me to roll?
That's fine. That's fine. We don't even know what you heard
the call? No, I
got it. Yep.
He's laughing on the inside. And then he's like, Well, you know,
Steven a, you know, I'm, I'm more strident with my rebellion.
And you know, he's, he's controlable. He's the you know,
he's the good Negro. No, I'm telling you this how to receive.
And if you don't believe me, listen to number nine. What
happened? The
rumors accurate in terms of me wanting them off the show? Let's
get that out of the way. Yes, I did. You know, we don't have a
bad relationship. I think he's a real good guy. I appreciate what
he did for the show. We would never want for five years. We
stayed number one, and I appreciate that. But what a lot
of people don't realize is that the work that goes into doing
the show, every single day, in the nine years that I've been on
first take I've given over 33,000 takes. And what a lot of
people don't realize is that not just the work that goes into
that. But also the fact that is a chemistry that you have, and
sometimes it just stalls. And the audience let you know that
it is what it is that you feel the need for something fresh,
you feel the need to retool. And the reason why I'm unapologetic
about my position is that number one is no knock against him
personally, his professionalism, his work ethic, and all of that
other stuff, his talent. It's not like I wanted the guy to be
fired or anything like that. I knew that there were landing
spots for him available at this network that would generate just
as much if not more revenue for him and all of that other stuff.
And it wasn't really about asking him to be off the show.
It was about the fact that I knew that we together as far as
I was concerned, was not a great partnership anymore. And that
was something that needed to change. It also wasn't my
decision. You know, I gave my recommendation. They ask it I
tell it every single year when the season you know, when the
NBA season comes to an end, the boss has asked me where I stand.
And for the last three years, I said this is where I stood.
Man shows you who's got the juice. Whoa.
Recent juice. He says I've been asking for him to be fired for
three years now. Yeah, because he's been blacker to me, you
know, saying not my words. But that's been the sentiment that I
mean, you heard what Max said that I'm I can't go any more
cookouts. I'm full over here and it got underneath even a skin
and that combine that with get a lot going on. Get him on gang.
This is
so on his heels two years ago, you wouldn't have any of these
conversations during sports programming, would you?
it picked up really around. Colin kapernick that was like,
Okay, yeah, so that was three, three years. Yeah. Yeah.
So that was the genesis of the conversation Steven a one to
keep it to sports. Max knew as long as he's like that cool hip
hop, kind of white guy. You're saying he likes rap, you know,
and that kind of thing. So he knows a rat references. So he
can
like the douchebag Ari Melbourne on MSN. That guy I just want to
rip his neck off and pull it through the TV screen.
In all fairness, never go for a very bad idea. But Max is like
Nah, he's not at nobody's beds are are his pit cover him.
In the genius words of two pucks record I'm like click don't want
to hear Yeah,
exactly. But in the thing was steaming as leaves off because
he's the host headliner. That's right. So all Max has to do is
sit back in the
cut and kathlyn shack and shut up and be normal.
No, I'm saying is the tactic that he uses in the debate
because it's the debate show is what it is. I mean, that's sure
what
what are they debating? That's the problem. It's like don't
debate that get out of here. This is sports.
Correct. But you know, ESPN went for woke and now they're
claiming They have to even go for work, because they fire
several different people over there. But I just want to show
you why all of a sudden he after three years they give in to his
request, is it because he rolled up his sleeve and said, I'll be
your Vax man, huh? With that says, Let's get into number 10,
I certainly don't believe they should be forced to do a PSA, I
totally agree with you there. What I will say, however, is
that the athletes themselves have put themselves in a
position where people feel they should be compelled to do such a
thing. But by virtue of the reach that they have, and how
they float that reach and the impact that it has, like, for
example, if you want to sit up down to dress, and I know that
it's apples and oranges and a lot of people's eyes, but not to
me, when you sit up there, you want to address racial injustice
issues, and you're talking about it's not just about myself, it's
about my family, it's about my community, etc, etc. Well, in a
different in a completely different kind of way. So is the
coronavirus pandemic, because the fact of the matter is, is
that we you get ill chances are you can make someone else ill
chances are is going to be a member of your family, a loved
one, etc, etc. And that reality being as pertinent as it is,
does elevate the level of responsibility. If you say, on
under any circumstances, that something is not about you, it's
about the impact that you know, you have the voice that you
know, you have the fact that you can give a voice to the
voiceless, etc, etc. And that was impetus enough or motivation
enough for you to take certain positions and to put yourself on
Front Street, then someone in the medical profession can
simply come to you and say, Okay, we've got over 400,000
deaths nationwide, we've got millions upon millions who have
died from this worldwide, it's contagious, and is a vaccine
that is proven thus far that it can help raise that issue. Do
you not feel an obligation to do that they can ask the question,
man,
the spell is so powerful.
And this was early on this is before the approval of anything
a vaccine is proven
and he's proven and he's he's saying that you have to take it
to protect others which is the opposite of what a vaccine does.
Well, the A never let you know the truth get in the way of
famous Alex Jones. Hot look. Because of that it's my nobody
cares about facts. Nobody cares about truth. You might know
about a guy named Joe Rogan. And you saw why they did him and
this was like the what what do you think was the reason for the
show that the media is completely sold out? all media
was interesting.
But yeah, what's interesting about Joe You know, I've been on
business Joe's show three times that just briefly before this,
this last time when he when he got COVID every single time he
has a nurse on on site, the minute you come in, you can't
even really walk far into the door, you have to sit down and
she does the test. And then I always asked for an antibody
test to see if I might have had it which you don't have.
Although I'm pretty sure I've T cell immunity. And knowing Joe
from two years ago, when he was scouting out locations in in
Austin, and he had his mother in law. I think his mother in law
may live with them. His wife, his two daughters, and he was
super cautious, no handshaking masks. I wouldn't ask him
because he's my friend. But not not like we're friends. Yeah,
we're just like, it's just none of my business. And if he wants
to tell me you can tell me I'm 99.99% certainly got vaccinated.
And he also texted me after he was cured. And he said, Well, I
guess this vaccine is unnecessary. So the way he said
that to me, man, he definitely got the vaccine but the
assumption right away and that's kind of, I wish he would say
something about it.
That's the written No, we a and I want to say something I ended
last year and I said the white phone and what I mean by that is
there's a white Boulay phone and there's a black Boulay phone,
you know, saying like, Joe knows, I mean, I mean, excuse
me, me. I don't wanna speak for him. But everybody in the
entertainment industry knows there's certain things you can
say that your phone will ring. And sometimes people just don't
want that smoke. I mean, like, I mean, this. This is what Steven
Naismith This is what LeBron James is doing to bring it back
to the topic. He He knows the light of big a large of his
following are Vax hesitant. Sure, sure. And he's like, if I
take this if I take it, I got it. Come out on before throwing
it about and that's what Stephen A Smith is calling on him to do,
right? Usually, that's when the you the you he's talking about
is the Brian right you know you put your face on everything you
know you're want to be Taco Tuesday LeBron. And now as all
of a sudden when is vac Tom, you're saying you want to owe us
a person decision? No, it doesn't work like that. Um, and
NASA was happy he sold his soul A long time ago. Right, but I'm
gonna say this. And this is just me speculating. But if the Bron
James wanted to talk Michael Jordan and being the most
prolific basketball player ever, if he came out said I'm antivax
I'm writing with my people. That might be a pathway to he can't
do a basketball. Let's just mean no basketball, but he just can't
accomplish. Michael Jordan, I take your word for what this
political issue. I'm just saying as big as this is this is not
China. This is not Colin Kaepernick. We're talking about
I told you before, LeBron James could cause a problem in China
just were his words. We talked about this to 16 where he has
followings. I mean, like he calls his fans witnesses. I
mean, it's like a demigod level. And if he comes out and says
night taking it now that might catapult him over that's my
Ollie not now you're talking about Ali and you want to
compare yourself to Ali? Yeah, yeah, you
gotta be gotta be against the government to for starters.
What that's so that that's what put him on. I had that thought.
I was like, now that could be the thing that puts him on par
with Olli outside of
how in this regard, just to test the theory. How does Nicki Minaj
fit in I'm sure you followed that, that practice because you
know, now here is someone who I was and maybe she's still going
to get the Boulay call or got it now she already backtrack she
already backtrack she's got the call. She doesn't know how she's
I mean that was that was quite amazing what she said I mean
first of all, she went anti elite by saying hey I'm if I'm
going to advance it's not for that she has now I think she has
tweeted well you know I'm just gonna research and I'll get
vaccine you know she's saying when I when I have to do my
tours and everything I'm gonna go slow is I think what what she
was saying, but I loved how she got into a big fight with with
joy Reid. Now does this catapult her into any any sort of super
stratospheric level by being female hip hop are definitely
not the message we're hearing from others.
I would say being anti Vax is soon going to be like, well,
it's
gonna be trendy.
Right? I mean, like, that's the that's the ante that's the
counterculture. Oh, my
God, we need that ma we need the trendsetters. We need is.
And you're starting to see I mean, like I said, with from
abroad is easy. This is an easy one for LeBron because they
could shoot him with sailing. And he goes on TV, he doesn't
have to harm his body. But he understands that his following
is washing and a huge part is following his race base. And
this conversation is race based. I mean, um, as far as the
hesitancy for reasons that we've discussed before we may may, we
may discuss later could come up but yeah, but let me just get
back to Stephen A Smith and I want to show you he went from
being the the EU to a full on attack with Donald lemon on CNN
basketball superstar
LeBron James won't say whether he has received or will receive
a Coronavirus vaccine. James outspoken on social issues like
racial justice and voting rights very outspoken, says his own
vaccination status is not a big deal.
They did not do all that for as a predicate to my family, you
know, for the majority for 99.9% of those so knows about the
health and safety of my family. And that's what it came down to
me being available to my teammates on the floors and
taking care of my body.
Do you mind me asking if that if you're confirming that you did
get the vaccine? It's not it's no big deal. Thank you. Yeah,
that man, thank you. I love your outspokenness. Thank you for
doing this. This bothers you. You said that LeBron can have it
both ways that he either wants to be out front and center
bringing a voice to issues or he doesn't tell me why this is so
important to you?
Well, I think that you know, obviously, you know, you had me
on your show a few months ago when I decided to take the
vaccine. I had my reservations. There's a plethora of People
within the African American community that has had that have
had reservations about taking the vaccine. But ultimately, you
know, when you go in ICU or what have you, you see things that
have been so profoundly detrimental to the African
American community. You take a stand and you take a position.
I'm not of the position at LeBron James, normally, under
normal circumstances, should feel any obligation whatsoever
to divulge whether or not he's taken the vaccine. But
considering the multitude of issues that he's been willing to
tackle, considering what provoked him to do so because of
concerns for his community, his people, those are his words.
These are the kinds of things that he has said, time and time
and time again. Then why would you not speak on the issue of
being vaccinated and not
man, Stephen A Smith as a cruise missile? You got the bronze
button right on, it's like, here we go.
That's the that's that's this is how the Boulay phone works out
in public. It's like we are you don't want to answer the phone.
Hmm. All right. Okay. You know, you don't want to answer the
phone. All right. All right, LeBron. thing that
bothers me and Steven Naismith did it is this lie that COVID
affects black and brown communities six times more than
white communities. It's bullshit. It's not true. Wait,
what? Oh, now? include this in here. And you can catch it on my
YouTube channel where I discussed something I heard and
I don't know how true it is. But supposedly, black people have
more receptors in their nose.
Wait a minute. Is that because of the size of the nostrils? Or
could it could a Jewish man also get more because of his nose?
He's actually on the low in the low.
I gotta understand this. Okay. All right. Well, I'm gonna look
at the live man. I got to look at
if people come over to the live
next Wednesday, it's gonna be great. Yeah,
I'll discuss that in fact, but this is from this is from a
verify doctor. So um, this is not something I'm pulling up.
Wow. Okay, well then I may be wrong. But are we you're right
in a sense they take but hold your babies in but hold
on a second hold on a sec. Yeah, I'm just presuming here. That's
because of the size and shape of the African American nose but
that is certainly not uniform amongst black and brown people I
mean, there's all kinds of noses
that like I said, they said that we have power receptors and when
other people have three and I'm like what what we have welfare
You are so fortunate you finally have something more than the
white man and extra receptor enjoy it to two extra receptors.
Okay, look, the way I see it is the way poor people are affected
six times as much and that's also why people is poor people.
What they
conflate it to high comorbidity rate sign Oh yeah, yeah, that
but it sounds much better is face black people, you know, and
that's the that's the shaming. That's the sign language the
shame and so it's evil it's evil and I don't like it I don't like
it. So I'm, I'm when I say this, I didn't clip this but maybe
later and another show. They've been putting pressure on LeBron.
They had this w NBA player come out said he's trafficking kids,
which was said about Epstein. That made me perk up. I'm like,
Whoa, now. You might have sent me some clips on this cuz she
came out and said it like it was I know what it was. It was one
of those things like hey, we can give anything
anytime anytime we can do anything to your wherever we
want.
And then they got him pushing a referee or a fan or something by
these stories never get reported. Now all of a sudden
they're getting reported and they're putting the pressure on
the Boulay nudge, yes. And the final piece of pressure is the
unvaccinated players could miss home games. It won't
have a big impact if you get vaccinated if your NBA player in
any of these cities get vaccinated, you won't have to go
through this uncomfortable situation. But you know, listen,
the NBA series sending a clear sign that they're going to use
the local guidelines even if they have to, to not let
anything interrupt their games. They don't have the flexibility
that they have last year to reschedule postpone games, move
things around, release the schedule the second half of the
schedule later, that's all out the window if you're trying to
get back to 82 game schedule. So you know, here they found an
opportunity where they can basically indirectly try to
promote and also mandate the vaccine in a way not truly a
mandate but a mandate in a way and they want to try to utilize
it and also avoids the politics that you've got to deal with
with the players unions, because now they can't even say anything
when you're dealing with government mandates or
government requirements. Because the government can't be beaten
in this, obviously society, and the NBA is just taking advantage
of a little loophole. Any of these players in Brooklyn and
New York, Knicks and in San Francisco are immune to those
policies. I
got to do it, you got to do it. And they do too. And guess what,
a lot of these arenas remember, they're on public grounds. Some
of them are private buildings, but some of them are public
grounds. So you got to obey by the public requirements. And
this requirement says you got to show a vaccination card to get
into watch the game. And also to get into play. I saw ESPN report
vaccinated and unvaccinated players wanting to be allowed to
sit next to each other in locker rooms or on planes, or and they
may have to take separate buses. I mean, it's not all final yet,
but it seems like players could have very different experiences
this season.
Man,
so LeBron is running out of runway here, because he can't
sit out when he goes to Brooklyn, he can't go sit out
when he goes to Madison Square. We can't do that. He can't sit
out when he goes to Golden State. These are marquee games.
these are these are the ones they sell the ads around, right.
Um,
so I said, Do you think that he actually has a conscience that
he doesn't want to lie about it? Because he feels that, you know,
people will mimic him or I mean,
Bron, James, or whoever is around LeBron James has good.
Timing, timing, on where the public stands. And when I mean,
the public, the black public, quote, unquote, black public,
right? And it's like, you can't jump out this window and be pro
vaccine. Because that's gonna, like I said, that's going to
split your following. I mean, we're seeing this split and
people, and it's not
splitting relationships, Mo it's splitting families. It's very,
very, very sick. Right. And
so what LeBron thought he was going to be able to deep dive,
dive and say, Hey, you know, this is a personal, you know,
yeah, this is a guy that comes out and let everybody know, he
spent $6 million on his body every year, you know, saying to
get into shape. So from that standpoint, I just want to say
be genuine. If he if he's genuine, I understand it. He
wants to put something experimental into your body that
you've honed, here's the answer be fine. Fine to machine bright,
just on a surface level.
Exactly. But then what he doesn't do is what you suggested
is you know, get some say lean or whatever. And do the Nancy
Pelosi bent needle on that was a vice president Harris. The Ben
Platt needle plastic cap? Why wouldn't he do that? Because he
really can't wait. He doesn't want to be dishonest.
No, he doesn't want to divide heard. His own herd you mean?
Yes. Because in his herd I mean, down the split. Yeah, it could
be 3070 6040
what do you what do you think it is? What
do you think? I would probably say it's somewhere between
7030 6040 I'm probing low no high high. I'm just saying I'm
just giving him the benefit of doubt later. Lot of his
followers a woke what is inside that? is, you know, is he
doesn't want to divide his herd period. And it just puts him in
a weird spot. And he's telling him like, hey, like, this is bad
for the brand, but they're like, this is bigger than your brain
is way bigger than your brand so
I'm so happy you told me about this because I had no idea this
was playing I mean little bit, because it really doesn't seep
through unless you're really into NBA. I guess you'd be
watching ESPN. Otherwise
not no not and that's why I laid the clip off that was CBS Los
Angeles a little 24 minutes or two it's gonna be 24 second clip
right on there. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're
right. So it's like why we're certain was the vaccination
status a big deal when you start seeing it seep into mainstream
news? Yeah. Now I got my eyes on it. Yeah, right. And it's like
what How far would they go to um, are they willing to risk you
know detonate in their on one of their number one assets? You
know, on the altar of vaccine How long do you think he has
until he has to say something? Well, the first game cuz
whenever you're first getting the first game with a mandate
and it's like, yeah, that point now he might go there and like
just let it blowing up but they're not gonna let it even
when he does show up for the game and he is vaccinated gonna
make a big deal out of it. They got to Yeah, he's not
vaccinated, but he won't play
so which game which game was out do we have our eyes on? I'm
gonna
get the schedule. And I'll be letting you know on whichever
one shows up in New York first or in the San Francisco next
Golden State.
Now how do I how do I how do I how do I play the spread on
facts not Vax. Said he doesn't have a sheet about sports or
sports betting.
You don't need to know about sports, sports. I'll tell you
that. It's all about us. Yeah, um, so That's the first block.
All right, I like that. Very good. Alright, so the second
block was pertinent to the first block and let's go and get into
the IC O. Henrietta Lacks black woman that got eaten alive by
cancer in one week. Oh, yeah,
I heard about this story. Tina was telling me this. She just
told me that today.
Awesome. Oh, awesome. Awesome. Yeah, not because that mean is I
mean, I mean that by the literal definition of the word because
they've had her under wraps. They'll talk about now this
answers your question. Why did they talk about Tuskegee?
Tuskegee is men. Yeah, well, they killed some men with
syphilis. Ah, they, you know, whatever, whatever. gangbangers
whatever. Right. But if you say Henrietta Lacks, and the story
behind her a black woman being used a spirit man and own or
whatever the narrative is, that hits a whole different way
across the my body, my choice, yeah, across a lot of these
narratives. And they've tried to keep it under wraps. And what
we're going to do is get into her story, and I think a good
place to start is the official trailer from HBO about her or
more immortal life.
For years, it seemed like a dream bout our mother. Could
this be true? But you don't understand this. We didn't know
nothing but nothing.
Scientists have been trying to get cells to grow outside of the
human body, but they would always die. Until Henrietta's
cells came along. I want to write a book about your mother.
Go healer go healer that's my mother. At this everyone's
saying Henrietta Lacks donated themselves. She did donate
nothing. They took them and didn't ask. Hospital is guilty
as somebody is going to pay a disease to provide one for
himself. I'm not doing anything behind your back. Henry added
help develop the AIDS cocktail therapy treatments. It's hard
not to get caught up in hope when you've been powerless for
so long. You will pardon me? Okay, I've looked. In the
meantime. Yeah.
Excuse me. So this is the healer sales. And I don't know if you
know much about it. But they they neighbor, her is the mother
of modern modern medicine. Because her sales, not only do
they grow outside of the body, they were they replicate every
24 hours. So this open, right?
They're used in medical research today. I guess they're ongoing
because they they they can keep making new new cells.
Eight, I mean, as HIV cancer, even the COVID-19 vaccine is
part of healing. And it's like, why are you not celebrating this
woman? Because if you talk about her story, you had to talk about
how she was robbed of her sales. This is why they want to talk
about Tuskegee instead of Henrietta Lacks.
Oh, of course, and otherwise, how would I've ever heard about
her? Well, gotta have the mo faxes. Let me know what's going
on.
Alright, let's go and get into number 15.
I gotta say about that is hallelujah. Finally somebody
want to talk about my mama?
Oprah Winfrey plays the daughter of Henrietta Lacks the woman who
transformed modern medicine and had no idea. To this day many
have never heard her name.
I started asking people to you know, have you ever heard of
her? No one had so
something Winfrey is now determined to change
the significance of what her cells have bent. I think the
world needs to know that and now they will.
lax was a young mother of five who died of cervical cancer in
1951 at Johns Hopkins, where doctors found her unique and
aggressive cancer cells were the first to grow in a lab.
Henrietta never gave doctors permission to use her cells and
her family was never told.
We didn't know nothing bad nothing,
like nothing they'd seen before. Those cells shortened to healer
instead of Henrietta's full name were used to test the polio
vaccine develop in vitro fertilization. drugs used to
fight cancer just to name a few. Her daughter Deborah and author
Rebecca Skloot, finally uncovered the truth. But Deborah
died just before Sloot's book was published, I refuse
to cry. But I could. When I think about Deborah, how eager
she was to know about her mother and to have this story told
about
Henrietta's cells were reproduced in labs around the
world and millions of dollars changed hands.
Becca showed me the papers where he wanted to use her name, but
the lawyers
made all that money off of
me that died.
Oh, okay. I just wow. Head exploding. You know, in the 80s,
I was involved in so much aids charity raising. That's how I
know Fauci that a whole he was always around all the big
parties hanging out. I have my own thoughts. We've discussed
them privately think publicly that I think we would really
aact that was the biggest problem a Fauci invention, very
much like, like remdesivir. So anyway, in all those years,
knowing, having read many books, never heard of Henrietta Lacks.
And you haven't heard her name brought up with COVID yet? Why
is that? This should be a selling point. The black lady
that saved the world with business and her sales that was
able to make this vaccine, that would be the selling point, but
you know what, then we got to talk about her. And they stole
her sales, posh. She was experiment on basically, and
then it's more create more distress, which this is why they
can't use her and
this is the story I wanted. This is the new tusky story.
This is the teskey times 100. You wish you wait until we go
all the way down.
Now I see an article in the Hindustan Times.
Of course, hello, India.
Yeah, Henrietta Lacks cells were used to carry out research for
the first polio vaccine first in vitro fertilization for cancer
most recently for studying the effects of SARS. cov replication
in the human body right in the US, the top hit it Hindustan
Times way to go American media day.
This by when I when we see stuff that's missing, that speaks
louder than the things that are there, because it's like, why is
this big? I mean, this if they didn't take the sales in the way
they did, she would be celebrated as like I said, as
black girl magic. This is the male this, this is the black
lady to save the world. But they can't do it, because then it
brings up more questions about experimentation on black people.
And it's fascinating that they've suppressed this, and I'm
looking at the timeline. This this official trailer was
created in 2017. Is it like did they create over to spin this
because you heard her saying the clip? Oh, Johns Hopkins didn't
do that. Yeah. Yeah.
That's insane. Then this was from Wendy, this was from
this 17 that when it happened, it happened in it? No, no.
The Oprah the Oprah thing. That's 2007 2017. Okay. Yeah.
And
what Hopkins? I mean, now you can feel me because you're,
you're, you've been on top of the whole COVID thing. The 201
thing out of Hopkin event. 201. Yeah, right. So that planning,
is this part of it. Oh, well, I
was certainly certainly around the time they were planning it.
I mean, right. He seraiah definitely gets like, like, pump
the brakes a bit more. I mean, it's like my head spinning.
Here's something I've never heard of.
Well, let's listen to 16 that your hands start spinning in.
Johns Hopkins says it did not profit. The family got nothing.
But for the next generation. There is a new mission now. You
can't
help but be proud of what is done. So when you think about
that, like okay, something may have happened but something so
much good has come from it.
David lakhs now sits on a board at the National Institutes of
Health helping to decide just what Henrietta's gene sequence
is used for.
I think we ought to think of a lacs family as some of the
greatest philanthropists in medicine of all time.
They speak around the country, urging doctors to never forget
the patient behind the petri dish.
She was a woman. She was black, with limited education, limited
finances and look what she has done for the world.
Rebecca Skloot has set up a foundation for the laxus and
others who have contributed to science without their consent.
If Want to take in
just a few minutes to listen to her and ask her to answer our
questions. It will change the whole story for her for her
family,
a family now taking back its history.
I think what we're trying to say is that her life really
mattered.
A legacy just like Henrietta's cells living on Kristen
Dahlgren, NBC News, Los Angeles,
again, all 2017 I guess.
Yes. And this is this is the Crump effect right? When when
you see these people tragic who tragically killed, um, they
bring in you know, the crop and I think crop is maybe involved
in this family. You might congratulate me on the flower
but um, this is the fact right you bring it in, make the family
you know, well, we forgive john hopkins and in the movie, you
say they didn't during Johns Hopkins let me correct that.
They didn't do anything really. They didn't know. They didn't
profit from it. It's that that word profit, yeah, chronic
Rumson, Crumpton.
Now that
is the Crump effect. This tragedy happens. He comes in
smooth waters,
and this is an article or an article from July 31 2021.
Now the bags wasn't big enough. They said millions and when they
say, No, you can't be one of the biggest finance, academics and
philanthropists yet. Thank you, sir. Got a lot of real estate.
These lips moving around, but
I wouldn't know mo I've never seen you. Yeah.
But yeah, so I'm sure he's like millions. You know, crops. Ears
probably perked up. We're talking billions here. And so
the bag wasn't big enough. So the family's probably coming out
the john hopkins. So Wow. It gets deeper.
But wait, there's much more. There's there's much
more. So we have this is from john hopkins, Johns Hopkins
Medicine YouTube page and this is Henrietta Lacks her impact
and outreach.
At the center of the Henrietta Lacks story, are people asking
questions for people trying to understand the biology of human
cells. It's it's there for bioethicists for patients. This
is why Johns Hopkins is committed to outreach and
education for all the community. It's a
labor of love. We all feel like we're connected to this
beautiful woman who we call the mother of medicine. It really
makes you think about how powerful and impact one person
unknowingly could make.
I would say that
Henrietta is probably the, if not the most important,
certainly one of the most important women in science and
medicine. And we all learn and follow Henrietta Lacks legacy,
as we contribute to research and medicine.
Henrietta Lacks was a 31 year old woman, it headed to Johns
Hopkins in 1951 for the diagnosis and treatment of
cervical cancer. Unfortunately, she had a very aggressive cancer
and within a year, she had died. As part of the care she received
to Johns Hopkins. The cells from her share legs were brought into
a laboratory and cultured and it become the first human living
cell line, which has allowed us to learn remarkable things about
how human cells function.
Yeah, when this whole when this Crump thing propped up I think
this is when they started posting these videos on their
website and on YouTube.
And care it's like what kind of care Did you give me you do
staler sales or culture this that's what they want to say all
they cultured her sales, but they're still her body. I mean,
my chicken never rest in peace. I mean, I mean, if you want to
think about it that way.
It's it's, although not exactly the same. It's like you can't
just be printing up t shirts with Elvis on it. Correct. It's
not exactly the same, but I think it's even more egregious.
But
I don't know if there's any likeness.
I mean, I just don't know if there's any law. I know what the
law the law is about that. This should be for sure. Screw that.
And what what idiots what Ed? is john hopkins You mean like his
check. Quiet.
They think they tried. A million when you
get when you get Crump on the scene. Yes. Right. The bag
expands.
The bag has to be much bigger. The family was playing along in
2017. Right with the movie. Now, not home. Mine was part of COVID
COVID
vaccine? Well, no, I think it's different. This is a wait a
minute Look at this guy who did what he did for George Floyd's
family. You know,
they understand about the money like in the news. This is a
billion dollar and Yeah, of course. Yeah. And they're like,
What? Wait, wait, wait, wait, and y'all gave us know, whatever
the amount was filling in the blank. I don't know what it was,
or you know, or positions or praise or no
rights as board advisory board position. I think I heard Yeah.
Yeah. So it's like, of course, when you use the crop, that's
one thing about Chrome is about the money. I mean, he's coming
for them for the moolah. So that's another thing that we
that's why I said that. I can never do a full show or any of
these because the stories are finished, but these are kind of
things that we need to keep an eye on. Yeah. of will they use
her as a topic or not? So same thing with the bronze situation.
So now we have Rebecca sleuth,
skuse. I think it's Skloot, Skloot, glutes,
which this is, this is the market three map their mocker
see now and their moral life.
As we continue our conversation with Rebecca Skloot, the author
of the best selling book, The Immortal Life of Henrietta
Lacks. We're doing the story today, because this week, Johns
Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, has just named a
building after Henrietta Lacks. She, they were there with the
lacs family members of the lacs family and today we're going to
talk about a woman who you may have never heard of, or maybe
you just heard about her name, because this book has been on
the bestseller list for so many years, the Immortal Life of
Henrietta Lacks. Rebecca, it's great to have you stay with us.
Can you talk about how you discovered the story?
Yeah. I learned about the cells when I was 16, and a basic
biology class. Most people do my teacher, you know, he talked
about the healer cells and all the amazing things they've done
for science. And then he happened to know her name. Most
people actually, at that point in time, knew her as Helen lane,
which was a fake name, basically, that was put out,
connected to the cells. And he wrote Henrietta Lacks on the
board in big letters, and just said she was a black woman. And
that was it. And I went up to him after class, and I was like,
what else do we know about her? And it's God, kids. And what do
they think about all this? And he just said, Sorry, no one
knows anything. And I just became obsessed with this
question of who this woman was and what we can do. What
happened. And why we didn't know it seemed so you were in high
school. inconceivable to me.
Interesting. There was an alias out there.
Yeah, maybe big knockoffs.
Instead of Chanel was his channel. Yeah, exactly. Like it
sells on Canal Street.
That's so disgusting. Like they knew that you don't know. Like
you did anything wrong.
Name. Oh, my goodness. This is this is a this is a scandal.
And another point is we're coming out right on the 70 year
anniversary. I'm sure Crump looking at it as well. Like,
hey, say her name, say her name. Say or say your name. Relax. I'm
sure you're gonna want to do something different here.
Henrietta Lacks building. You don't want me to hang out there.
Yeah. And and as people join us, they're noisy.
Yeah. So I mean that this is a very volatile situation for how
they play this because this only Stokes the fire if Crump. Crump
knows where he has him. Because he's like, you're trying to
convince black people. Tuskegee is kind of blowing over. And
then this story blows up on a 7070 year anniversary, how you
basically stole this woman and it's a woman and it's a woman
and a black woman.
Oh, this is so good. Moe. Wow. Thanks, man. I love you for this
is great. I'm glad I'm glad. Yeah, this is excellent. These
people are so evil.
19
talk about the history of medical experimentation in the
black community, for example, and you had to do a lot of work
and research for your remarkable book The Immortal Life of
Henrietta Lacks, for example, the text of the Tuskegee
experiment.
Yeah, there's there's a long history of black people being
used in research without their consent in this country. And one
of the most famous examples of that is the Tuskegee syphilis
studies. Though it had been happening in the slavery era,
you know, and beyond. And the Tuskegee studies were sort of
one of the most unethical things. I think that's probably
happened in science, the United States, the hundreds of black
men were essentially studied. They had syphilis, and they were
studying to watch how syphilis killed you from infection to
death, and they weren't offered treatment even when treatment
was available. So at a certain point, you could have cured this
with antibiotics. And they weren't given the option and
didn't know that they were part of this experiment. And so it
wasn't, it was at the end of that. There was actually a lot
of press surrounding that. And it did a tremendous amount of
damage to trust within sort of, you know, black communities when
it comes to science and medical getting medical care. So that's
just one in a long line of sort of stories in history and
Henrietta's story, you know, has been that within certain areas
where people know about her like in East Baltimore, around
Hopkins, it's sort of been oral history, Pastor black
communities as part of why it's hard to trust science.
Oh, nice little tag, they're hard to trust science.
Aha. And as she says, Baltimore, aka the black butterflies, what
it's called, because they have this slim section of white
neighborhoods. And then outside of it is blackness on sand on
both sides of Baltimore. So this was kind of known in the area
locally by Ed Hopkins. Yeah, they experiment on you. Wow.
It's the same thing with Grady down in Atlanta. Right. shady
Grady? Yeah. Which he had a very suspect past. It's like, all of
these hospitals are named after or have histories that are
problematic. Use the term.
my mouse is hanging open right now. And please tell me this all
stems from me bitching about the Tuskegee story that you went you
you you decided to, to check out another rabbit hole? Yeah, or
kind of fell on you fell in your lap?
Yeah. Now what happens is, when you ask me a question, I give
you a short answer. But then if I can give you a longer answer,
maybe the producers had the same question. So it's by let me go
ahead and address this. And then with the LeBron thing, it does
fit in like, you know, perfect, yes. Perfect. Oh,
this is fantastic. Very interesting. And the only the
only sad thing is, this interview is Democracy Now with
Amy Goodman. She's like the kiss of death for stories. Like once
you're on democracy now. It's like going nowhere.
Yes. Like, we covered it. It's that kind of thing.
What do you mean? What do you mean, it wasn't on PBS? Look
over here democracy now. Yeah.
Right. So I mean, and like, say the Tata two together, they
didn't do this. They taught Tuskegee with Yeah. They, they
try to soft shoe it though. Like in certain areas. It's, it's the
same, but it's not like Tuskegee. So I mean, that this
is damage control. And I'm, like, we don't want to piss out
the people at Hopkins. Right. But we have to kind of it's like
a limited Hangout. Perfect. Sure. So, um, let's go ahead and
get into part three.
So Henry had a one of the most amazing things to me about this
moment is Henry actually knew there was something wrong, she
just sort of sensed it. And she actually found this tumor
herself on right on the outside of her cervix and went to went
to Hopkins, and just sort of went in and said, I have this
lump. And I need to, it needs to be looked at. And in that
moment, you know, this, she went to Hopkins, because it was the
only place where she could go as a black woman, this was the era
of segregation. So there was colored wards, and you know, the
white wards and hospitals, and most places wouldn't actually
didn't have a colored Ward, so she couldn't even go. And the
thinking at the time was sort of, you know, the people who
ended up in what they referred to as the public Ward, were
either black or they were poor, and they couldn't afford care.
And the thinking was, well, we're giving you free medical
care, as payment, we get to do whatever we want with you,
essentially. And so there was a lot of research that was
conducted in these wards that people didn't know about at the
time. And so Henrietta showed up, they she ended up going
under anaesthetic to get this biopsy of her cervix. And that's
when the doctor just took a little extra piece and put that
in a dish and sent it to George guy who was the head of tissue
culture research and had been trying to grow cells for
decades.
And what happened then?
They never died. Yeah, so her cells, most cells die unable to
keep cells alive. Pardon? Oh, well, so they've been able to
keep cells alive for maybe 24 hours in the in the past, but
hers just not only did they not die, but they begin doubling
their numbers every 24 hours. So they just grew with this
incredible intensity that no one had ever seen before
a cash machine.
Know what it's like. It's a popular phrase. And I don't know
if it's just solely in the black community, but we don't die we
multiply. This is literally that, you know, you take you
take him out, take herself out, um, and they won't die. And not
only do they don't die, but they grow this tremendous amount of
vigor. It's amazing and it's like, the sad thing is We should
be celebrating this woman for her. Right? Like I said that
she's the mother of modern medicine, because a lot of
things can happen. But the fact that it was done under such
shady No,
you know, I hear this and, and and you know, yeah, we can't
trust science because of this. One mind immediately goes to the
the poorest neighborhoods in America where Planned Parenthood
is, is based, who the hell knows what they're doing? Who the hell
knows what's going on.
And now you see why not only to ski but free healthcare in
general are when black people went and got health care, it's
like, well, you know, they're gonna take something by me while
they in there. Hey, Matt built the distrust between the middle
of day talking about it's a distrust between doctors and
black people. I mean, as a real distress there because history.
All you have is a knife or appeal for me. And then you hear
these stories. shady gradient Atlanta, in Atlanta. Yeah. You
hear Hopkins in Baltimore. And I'm sure every major city has a
hospital that Oh, yeah, you go in you ain't coming out. Yeah. I
mean, but that's the narrative with the ventilators now, right?
If you go in and you ain't coming out, it's like, that's
the narrative. And welcome to the bottom.
No, we've been bouncing around here for a while mo it's
recognized.
Not you. You've you've been like it's even last known to the
bottom now. Yeah, it's it's becoming firm that is not racing
anymore. It's your status. And if you don't want to take it,
then you're on the bottom. And as you heard her say that, you
know, I'm, that makes me wonder, like, if you give me this thing,
this stuff for free? What comes along with it?
They always take something. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, just
as an aside to that, I was watching an Israeli talk show.
Well, it was a clip from it, which was subtitled. And it was
so funny. The people are outraged, because now they're
learning that Israel was really a giant laboratory for Pfizer.
And I think it wasn't that obvious. It was, it was like
that was the only one you could get it was and everyone was
talking about it that way. And now all of a sudden people like
Hey, wait a minute, we were used as a giant experiment, a giant
petri dish.
will speak in Israel, we got to go back to show 29. And this is
clip number 21.
For several years, the Israeli government was forcibly
administering birth control to a segment of its minority
population, with doctors injecting Ethiopian Jewish women
against their will with a contraceptive Depo provera. But
it wasn't until this January that a government official
finally acknowledged it. And while the government has finally
put an end to this inhumane, insane population control
tactic, the story has shed light on a dangerous contraceptive
that's now being pushed administered on women of color
all over the world, including right here in the US. So here to
talk about the use of Depo provera. And how this is
targeting minority populations in both here and abroad. I'm
joined now by Randy short president and national
spokesperson for the anti depper clergy coalition.
Yeah, eugenics
in the same place, the same place
unbeliev you know, I was reading actually was part of my
basketball team ownership research. Okay. And, you know,
the Nazis. We all know about operate. We've talked about
Operation Paperclip, and how they brought over a whole bunch
of the Nazis, including Wernher von Braun, but in World War Two,
there were two brothers who had a legal firm and and they
represented a lot of the US companies who were doing
business with the Nazis, IBM, General Motors, Ford, I'm sorry,
Ford. Dulles, okay, the Dulles brothers, of course, well, and
Allen Dulles went on to create the CIA,
and has the airport name for him right here in DC.
He also was also instrumental in appointing Hoover as creating
the FBI. I mean, it's to me it's like it's a very it's an easy
hop to say the Nazis. You know, they came in, they never left,
they're still still up to their own tricks with the Schweitzer
men now they're doing it to everybody.
That's the ultimate goal, right? I mean, that was the ultimate
goal then and they're persistent little buggers is that they
don't stop
you know, thank God I you know, it must be the weed because I
really if I think about this too much, you know, I just need to
go to sleep at night. It's just it's, it's so it's almost so
it's so This what's what probably is going on here that
you don't want to believe it.
And that's the crazy part is like what you have to that's why
we discussed this and gallows humor and laugh about it, of
course, because you have to mock it.
That's the only only well the only way to break the spells we
gotta market.
Right. So speaking of which now we get to get into the history
of Johns Hopkins, and his influence on and how is it how
his influence parts Baltimore
Welcome to The Real News. jessalyn Knorr Johns Hopkins a
renowned institution of higher education medicine. Its name is
synonymous with Baltimore, where it serves as the largest private
employer, its technological and medical breakthroughs routinely
make the news. But recently, Hopkins has grabbed headlines
for a different reason. It's found itself the target of
protests by community members, students and its own workers who
say it's harming the very people it's supposed to serve. They
point to Hopkins own legacy in a city that remains haunted by
inequality, racism and segregation. Or joining us in
our studio today is a leading expert on these topics. On to
row p atella. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank
you for inviting me.
So let's start with who Johns Hopkins was and why he decided
to, you know, fund hospital and a university, which at the time
was his idea at the time this was in the 19th century, was to
make create institutions that would serve everybody, including
African Americans. And, you know, so talk about who he was
and why he decided to do that.
Well, Johns Hopkins was a direct descendant of William the
Conqueror, the New York from Normandy, who overran England in
1066. And so his folks they came from Wales in England, and there
were two brothers who went to Rhode Island and four other
brothers they came to the Baltimore area and took them
then ended up in today's craft and Randall County, where they
received several 100 acres of tobacco land from the King of
England so he was he was notable person to begin with came from
loadable family
white privilege just so happens he had bloodlines back the
Conqueror What do you know what do you know? You know,
so just for people that don't know who William the Conqueror
he is, Are you familiar with him Dad, I don't know my
I am actually because of my European schooling. So be
very wary. That's why I want you to I'm gonna lean on you on this
one. But let's get everybody caught up with who the William
the Conqueror is.
William of Normandy, known as the Conqueror, arrived on the
channel coast from France in 1066. It has become the one date
every English school child knows. As a contemporary writer
noted, in this year came William out of Normandy, King Harold
came to oppose him and fought most resolutely, and there was
great slaughter on both sides. The Battle of Hastings was
fought here at a town named battle on the south coast of
England. herald the Saxon King was slain with an arrow through
his eye on this ridge, where William later built an abbey to
celebrate his victory.
England was overcome by force of arms for the last time, and the
country had new rulers with very new ideas of how to keep their
subjects in order. William's first act on landing and
pevensey was to erect a wooden fort within the old Roman walls
standing on the site of the present castle. He quickly
followed it with one of the best known buildings in the world.
The Tower of London standing on the banks of the Thames nothing
like it had been seen before the white tower built with stone
brought from Normandy dominated the early London skyline and the
minds of those that saw it This was a potent symbol of the new
order in short, it was a castle
j h really comes from good stock huh
I mean, they would wreck the huge buildings you know that
dominate the people's it's the same thing with the john Johns
Hopkins Hospital now in the middle of these poor Baltimore
neighborhoods right? You have this huge building Am I reaching
my Space Jam reaching here just let me know. I
mean, no you are and the reason why I know a little bit about
this is because I still have my stamp book. Although my although
I think I sold my my penny black which was probably worth some
good money. Now, I collected British stamps as 14 year old.
And I have a first edition. You know, like, what do you call
that, like, the first day it's a comes out, I forgot even what
the name is. And you get a little block and it was the
Battle of Hastings, it had all the whole story of the Battle of
Hastings all as one stamp block. And so that that rings true.
This story is true, I have the stamps to prove it, I got
received to bring in a new order. It's a great way, of
course, to bring in the new order. You kidding me?
I don't make this stuff up. So let's get back to John's
decocker.
But segregation soon followed because Baltimore was in the
midst of a major racial change in 1899 was the turning point.
for him. The Democrats came back to power in Baltimore under the
slogan, this is a white man city. So all this was reflected
in the admission policies or the hospital of which continued to
create black patients. But But now in a separate wards.
In your book, you do an incredible job of detailing how
the leadership of Hopkins this elite group of people that
controlled Hopkins also played critical roles in Baltimore
City, and its leadership as well. Talk about how Hopkins Are
you talking about how is bankrupt at one time how it grew
in prominence, and who some of these key figures were in
shaping its its history and its rise?
Well, the first both the university and the hospital,
they were governed by separate boards with lots of overlap. And
the initial board members were nominated by Hopkins himself.
And then afterwards, the connection to Hopkins and his
thinking disappeared. And so what we have particularly there
are two interesting developments in the history of the Hopkins
county complex and one of them is that that Hopkins precedent
and handle the university's trustees, they played a major
role in this in fostering residential segregation in
Baltimore.
One day, one day, we're all going to wake up and we're going
to realize who the real racists are.
Democrats take over poor segregation, experimentation on
on black people. Now I got to give John's a little mishap. We
always humanize here. They just kind of hijacked his name now,
right? It's not right for us, of course, and but it's the
mentality of superiority. Or and that you're poor, you need
medical help. Your body is the only commodity you have. That's
why, you know, I'll give you help now on the short term, if
you let me just have a piece of you know, saying down the line,
and and that's,
it's an old story, man, it's an old story in many different
versions.
And a people wonder why there's district trust me when people
went into those hospitals? I can't know this being from a
small town in North Carolina. It's like when you go in you
don't come out, right. I mean, that's just in this is, it's,
it's fascinating to hear people lose trust in the medical system
in the way that it does.
Okay, so you're telling You're giving me new information? I
mean, this is this is new from our conversation, this
experimentation. I mean, this is this. This is mind blowing. I
thought I knew pretty much everything about every kind of
story, particularly if something of this magnitude but this they
kept this from my from, from my view, this is unbelievable.
Yeah. And it's not like they people would know what happened
to them. Like all they took this out. No, but he's no, you
weren't yourself when you can't. I mean, like, you only go to the
hospital if you have to testify. Like, well, I'm Wham odds here.
And if I gotta go, that kind of thing. It's not like you knew
that they did something to you, but that that distrust is built
in. So I think we stopped at 24 I guess we can get into 25.
Hopkins is an interesting story in the sense that what I do in
my book, I go through the ethnic rotations in those
neighborhoods, and the pattern was the area around Hopkins
initially was largely German, then then it became Irish, then
it became largely Jewish. And then African Americans, for
various reasons began moving to that area. Now now, today, there
is lots of controversy about Hopkins. And it's remaking Oh,
that neighborhood which is seen as gentrification, this is his
fault. This is a nice Baltimore. And my point in the book is that
gentrification really in terms of Hopkins is largely a misnomer
because those neighborhoods before the urban changes and
racial changes raised the hospital area, those those
neighborhoods favor not for by any means. So what I see
happening in East Baltimore today instead of gentrification
really is read gentrification, trying to recreate neighborhoods
that are financially solvent and can sustain various neighborhood
activities and keep it in good shape.
And you in your book, you write that in 1970, the Hopkins
hospital's Director of Planning wrote, quote, a hostile black
community constantly reminded of past expansion limits future
enlargement of the site, the characteristics of the
neighborhood, make the area uncongenial for employees,
staffs and students.
Hold on a second. So now do they they have a hand in this to
expand. I mean, obviously, we know what the ultimate
goal was. But what what happens is they want to expand and they
just need to make the neighborhood crap so they can
tear it down. Correct. And that's what we're seeing what I
believe we're seeing everywhere now everywhere, East Austin
everywhere. But you see these memes of videos. Hello, the
wire, right? So you see this is a meme is going around now of a
street in Philadelphia. Where like a guy's kind of riding in
the car and has like the fixed camera. He's catching on like
these zombie like, Yeah, sure. Of course. Yeah. Drug addicts.
Yep. This is how they justify mass incarceration. See, this is
plan. What's the word? obsolescence of people? Oh,
people. You take out the series people series people move into
you know, by people from California going to Austin or
New York going to Florida all these things. All you leave now
is a crime ridden cities. That's like what somebody's got to come
in and clean it up. Right? I mean, that's I mean, it's the
only right thing to do welcome Larry elder, right you drive
down the property value with all the drug addicts the drugs the
Fenton on the carpet and on everything else. And guess what?
Now you come in bought up pennies on the dollar with this
addict.
You know what, here's pisses me off. This is the, this is what
we initially connected on when I was talking about. I know a gym.
That was awesome. Yeah, but nipsey hussle. And I had kind of
seen this happen. And then, you know, after I seen the wire, by
the way, God bless Omar, they got Omar. Yeah, that sucks.
It's, you know, going back to JC going back to, you know, the
Brooklyn Stadium, and it's all the same story.
We saw the same thing in New York. Same thing, and I think I
think we're seeing I think we're seeing it in Austin, you know,
East Austin. Is is, is we had we had to leave. Now it's not it
wasn't that horrible, but it was really just around the corner.
You know, as you can read the tea leaves like I did. Yeah, I
did that history is Yeah, these people getting cars getting
broken to every night down the street, it made me time to move
before they move up the block.
Break name does a killing every night. We've had 60 in Austin
this year, all time record.
But that's allowed to happen. Yes, on the property value come
when you come to buy it. And this is what happened in Hopkins
with the wire and everything else. But just don't believe me
and you. Let's listen to clip number four.
And that takes me to my next question. The relationship
between Hopkins and the local black residents in East
Baltimore. You know, you talk about and the relationship of
medical institutions in general. You talk about from doctors to
Robin graves. You have a section in your book about that, which
is really fascinating. You talk about how Hopkins was known as
the plantation. And you know, there's also people like
Henrietta Lacks who, whose genetic material was harvested
by Hopkins without her consent as well.
That that's true. And so one one of the Hopkins presidents once
said that Hopkins is a is not a good neighbor. And all this has
come to play in East Baltimore where people remember the days
when 1200 homes or 1200 black people were demolished in order
for Hopkins to construct a dormitory housing 205 years is
and doctors. So there is lots On a distrust towards the Hopkins,
and in the recent controversies that we saw and talk about all
this has come to play everything that Hopkins has done in the
past all its crimes have have been mentioned to Henrietta
Lacks experiments with lead paint all kinds of other stuff.
On the towers, yeah. If you're listening on a podcasting 2.0
compatible app, you know what to do? You got to boost that.
towers, just like in the wire? Yes,
it's exactly the same.
And the reason why I know this relationship, because this is a
strange relationship, because he started out saying that Hopkins
is the number one employer I think, in Baltimore, maybe in
Maryland, I can't recall, but I'll just say Baltimore, the
reason why I know this is I'm from Derm. Duke is the same way,
right? So it's like, you know, these things happen like we do
in the hospital and these kind of things. But at the same time,
they a lot of people eat from them literally, like, nurses
keeping these I'm saying these, these types of jobs. So it's
this weird relationship that it has with the with the
neighborhood or no, and the people that live in them.
Yeah, keep on going. I got nothing to know. This is great.
This is this is like the best. It's like finding in the gym on
Netflix. You know, it's like, holy crap. I know. It's like,
when I watched that that damn octopus documentary with the guy
living with an octopus for a year. That's how good this is,
like octopus level. Good.
So now caution, people costume. Oh, boy. Morning, we have one.
We're about to get some pure Anca AJ here. This is Alex
Jones. And I'm gonna play the full clip that I took the
snippet from concerning Henrietta Lacks.
And I found the former Pfizer employee who heads up the
project for the main level four bioweapons lab in London,
England, that we'll be telling you about. And I watched seven
or eight of his videos, and then read scanned over dozens of his
papers. And by the time I was done, my job was on the ground.
And it went right back to Henrietta Lacks, that we told
you about this black woman that got eaten alive by cancer in one
week. And they cut her uterus out, stole it. And it's the
basis of all human cloning everything today, the cells
won't die. They have factories all over the world that just
create her cells. And I've already knew all this, but my
God, I didn't know they cloned her. In 1966, they spliced her
with mice in 1966. I mean, we I mean, folks, you've seen the
thing where like jumps on things and eat some that's that's what
ater and they even say they don't believe it's human doesn't
have our genome doesn't have our chromosomes. And they call it
another species and debate whether what was in our uterus
is an alien. I'm gonna show you Wikipedia, and then I'm gonna
show you the actual documents. Now. This little seller right
here, because let me tell you, I'm not gonna pretend to know
exactly what they're doing. But let's just say this. It's world
in in baby. They're putting Henrietta Lacks cells
in you. Love Alex. He always gives you something to think
about. And, man, he's, he's been pretty damn close. And a lot of
things.
Was it I need to I got questions. Alien night.
Seriously, Mike. They're not telling us something here. These
jeans these, Miss, give me these sales. G's grow like nobody's
not know I'm being tongue in cheek when I say elite. But what
is it? Because that makes me ask What are you putting in me or
trying to put in in me? You know, these are real. I mean,
I'd say this. Like I said, we use gallows humor here. But it's
based on a real question of if you have such a great product,
tell me what it is.
Well, now, let's just be clear, I'm not 100% sure that her cells
are being put into any vaccine. Her cells are being used to
develop a vaccine. I could be wrong.
I don't know. Now, what I'm saying is we were talking just
in generalities here of because nobody knows. If somebody knows
something when I mean, even if some a doctor sat down explained
it to me. I still wouldn't know. You know, Sam, but the narrative
is Why are you hiding this lady from us? Which she's Oh, um,
American hero. I mean, if you tell her story, but it's like,
No, you don't want to tell her story, because then you have to
tell the whole story. So it's like, oh, well, you know, they
play this weird game of like, She's so great, but we can't
talk about her
because of Well, okay, so what your what your your hypothesis
here is that the well, we can't really talk about our because
john, this is a controversial that that's kind of covering up
something even more sinister.
It creates more questions than it for sure does, for sure it
does. And when questions come in doubt come in. And when doubts
come in, I'm more reluctant not to go along with
it. What's interesting is, is this the same story Tina was
telling telling me about and she just read a headline.
And I don't know, I mean, I'm curious. I mean, because I
haven't seen her name anywhere.
No, Tina said Oh, did you hear about the woman who, who got
cancer? and seven days later, she was dead? And I said, No,
that's horrible. And, and she said that and I said, Well, what
about now I just I've been reading it she she admits right
away. I didn't really read it. But I think this this story must
be maybe because of Alex. This is a recent alex jones episode.
Yes. So that's why it's probably out there. So what's floating
around if it's reaching us, it's floating. But Tina's deep, man,
she's she's she's the keeper goes deep and wide. So I don't
know. I don't know where she's picked that up.
Shout out to the keeper. Yeah. But as he said it, like I said,
I'm taking his when you say stuff like that, like she had an
alien her uterus, it makes it like very dismissible. But I
understand why he does that because it makes headlines, and
it gets the word out there. If you sit down with a PowerPoint
and boring and like peep, you bore people to death. So it's
like, let me look this up is alien or uterus kind of thing.
But this is
not. This is not foreign to Alex. I mean, I this he's been
saying this,
my god for 25 years, they've been growing babies and cows.
So he's, he's been kind of on tracking that, you know?
Right. So he did say that they're growing factories is
growing her sales all around the world, I believe. Let's go over
to Dr. Oz and real healer sales.
And go ahead. Really hard. That's her. There are millions
of Henrietta's cells in there.
Wow. Like in the movie when she has it she goes she's cold. This
is warm This is so these are the real cells just through the week
for me they're not even have the real selfish movie is fantastic.
Medical cars goodies for us Come over here. I actually put them
under the microscope. I want you to see them with your own eyes
rose. Go ahead, take a loss. Don't poke your eyes out.
Look close. This is just like in the movie.
Journalist scientists now doesn't she? Wow. And we're
gonna put them up in a big monitor. This is just like in
the room I know in the grave. So you guys go ahead and look. And
when those don't open, take a look at everybody else. This is
what Oprah seeing back here. She's seeing all the cells and
he said Little Black dotted ones. The little black dots are
the nucleus. That's that's that's actually her DNA. And
that is fascinating. And the gray stuff is the cells. So that
is so cool.
Home we're looking at this sales. Have you seen them? Many
times? Like let's have a little bit here. Okay. I have never
held the actual cells in my hand. They're yours. Wow. Don't
drop them.
You know, you get a healer, a healer and everybody in the
crowd. Take some healer home bike seriously. you're pedaling
human remains. I mean, I hate to say it. I know I'm being
hyperbolic here. But what I'm just saying is for Oprah to be
on television. And we say about women you know, whatever about
you know, people's bodies and their rights and whatever.
angiology is Pelin Henrietta Lacks around like, I'll take
them home with you. They're always fresh groom like
tomatoes. Fresh from the farm to the table. But what I thought
that's the most disgusting clip out of all I've got so far. your
fridge frustrates me for years
I've been talking about the eugenicist, actually want to
make superhumans you gotta wonder, you gotta wonder, you
know is Henrietta Lacks will that maybe that can make people
cell free. Generate
I don't I don't Who the heck knows
who the heck knows. But Wow, yeah.
And this again put it put it on the board we're watching.
Yes, we're watching. This is fascinating. I can't I can't
watch anything else now I'm going to be scouring the webs.
We got to find more about this what's happening right now this
is good.
Well, what we don't do is peddling. He loves sales. So we
got to thank producers, yes, this is, this would be a good
time to do it.
Right man in the black man have to be able to sit down at the
same table for white men has to feel free to speak his mind
without hurting the feelings are both Negro. And the so called
Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the
feelings of the right man, then they can bring the issues that
are under the rug are on top of the table and take an
intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only
way that they'll ever do it.
Yeah, and that's exactly what we're doing here at mo facts
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kick it off with our executive producers for episode number 66.
We start right off with Sean Carla 20
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$280 from Emily Andrews, the big baller for today's show. She
write quite a no but it's a nice one that I'm happy to share with
everybody. Moe and Adam, thank you so much for the work the
past two years. Sorry for the long note, but I feel like the
background to help you understand where I'm coming from
and the impact your conversations has had on me. I
believe your podcast single handedly save me from mental
side. Which anything with the word side in it and we're saving
you from it. I'm happy to say that
I've seen this term cropping up. So we need to keep on we need to
put them Yes.
In fact, I think I discussed it on no agenda a few a few weeks
back men decide indeed. She continues. I'm a white woman who
grew up in a suburb of the Dallas, Texas area. I can
honestly say the growing up race really wasn't something I
noticed. But it wasn't because I didn't learn history. I learned
about slavery. Starting in the first grade, I learned about Jim
Crow and the civil rights movement into third grade. I
lived in a middle class neighborhood with all colors and
religions races irrelevant in the modern era. And I didn't
even associate it with different cultures people were American
unless they told me otherwise. When I went off to college at
the University of the University of Texas, I was totally
blindsided by the idea that racism was still such an issue
for people. I didn't even know stereotype serotypes like black
people are criminals, or they like fried chicken or they're
bad at school because I wasn't in a culture that demonstrated
that or even mentioned it as a thing. And of course being from
the south myself fried chicken was a staple food and everyone
likes fried chicken. Even more baffling to me was the people
who would loudly lambasted the fact that these stereotypes
existed, would turn around and act like they were reality.
Moving to Seattle, Washington, it was even worse. The people
complaining about redlining the most would often lament the
property value reduction when black people moved into their
neighborhood. They were talking about how it was just black
culture, to not want to excel in schools and not to have fathers
in the house, which I knew wasn't true. From my experience
in the south. They would complain about gentrification
and white flight in the same conversation. It was troubling.
But I finally came to the conclusion that the cities and
the Northerners were still suffering from racism and
weren't integrated yet. I wasn't sure why, but what to do other
than to love the people where they were and help them move to
less racist ideology. But my heart finally broke when the
George Floyd race riots broke out. It seemed like all the
childhood friends I love dearly saw my skin color but for my
character, people I treated like my sibling suddenly accused me
of being a white supremacist because I was scared to have
people riding outside the hospital while I was there for
preterm labor with twins at 28 weeks. Seems like the America
from my childhood was finally dead and my children would never
experience it. A co worker of mine I love this note, by the
way, this is like a co worker of mine pointed me to your podcast
and honestly, it's been a huge relief to know that my
observations These people aren't just in my head. I feel like
this huge weight has been lifted. And I have so much more
understanding about what's going on with my black brothers and
sisters. Hearing the clips about Malcolm X in particular has
opened my eyes about how even what I consider to be a decently
accurate historical education may have missed frame what was
going on. It's given me hope that we can someday come
together as Americans. That a couple of questions first, what
resources would you recommend to learn more about Malcolm X? I've
tried to find some of his speeches online, but they really
aren't accessible. Are there books that would be good for
someone who wants to at least supplement the education of the
public school system, if not homeschooled, I was thinking
about creating some sort of civil rights curriculum that
integrates your work, but I don't want to steal your pancake
mix. So let me know if that's cool. If I were to monetize, I
would like to offer 5050 but I'm sure by i'm not sure i want to
monetize Jesse yet. Since this would be for social good.
Mo. On the best resource is YouTube, to be honest with you,
I mean, knave, people have pieced together all his most of
the clips that are remaining. And for a book wise, I always
just stick with the Alex Haley version, even though we know
Alex Haley was I used to worry like this, but maybe compromise
in a way to tamper now some of Malcolm's rhetoric. So yeah,
those are to be my two main sources. Because when you read
his clip, when you read his quotes, they don't hit the same
way as when you hear.
Oh, I totally agree with that. Yeah. It's funny. The middle
school teacher friend of ours was over. And now she's very
progressive. And that's cool, because we're friends. But I
asked her said something about, you know, the queue is all hot
and bothered about, you know, some some trial balloon that has
the teachers convinced that this is going to be law against
teaching critical race theory, and they won't be able to talk
about Frederick Douglass. I mean, seriously. So this,
they've been convinced of this. And I say, and I just in talking
to, I said, How about mock Mexican? What do you think of
Malcolm X? Ted? Yeah, yeah. Okay, you know, have you ever
read any Malcolm X or a bit? I liked him a lot better after he
became Nation of Islam? Because he was so anti American before
that.
Now, what she meant was when he left the nation,
no, I asked her three times Really? Yes. Yes. You liked
him before? I mean, like, you know who he was. He was not
Detroit ran before he taught in the nation. So maybe she didn't
want to come? I don't know.
Well, I continue. Second, what do you envision a fully healed
America to look like? Is it like the America of the childhood I
grew up in? Does it look like something else?
But from my podcast, where you can talk to people, but you're
not obligated to talk to people, if you don't want to, I think
the falseness of it is ruining everything by all that to check
these boxes, right. I gotta make sure I have the right set
mixture of friends. And we need you know, this gravitate to
people that you're comfortable with. I mean, it seemed like
your neighborhood was that way. And if I guess I just don't know
if this
i think i think it's completely the opposite. I think it's a
complete illusion, that we're so divided. It's all on Twitter.
It's all on television, that go out to the county fair, you
know, go to a concert, go to a comedy show even. I mean, yeah,
not everyone likes every single job. But I think it's, it's, we
have much more so many more ways of communicating this podcast as
an example. I think it's actually a lot more in our heads
than we know. And we're just being told it, you know, it's
almost like manifesting
it. Well, that's the thing, people I mean, you use the word
illusion, and that's another word for magic. Yes. Right. I
mean, that was your word, not mine. So that people feel the
spell. Um, so we had to figure out how we night make the spell
Nolan, boy, and then we'll get back to where we need to be at.
Third. She asks a lot for a big baller but big ballers a big
baller. You talk a lot about the gender war. Do you have some
suggestions for things women could be doing to support good
men? If you need a white woman millennial for the gender bender
most of most x? I'm happy to stand in, though perhaps with a
pseudonym.
The number one thing women can do is support other women. We're
fine. We're fine. It's women when they want to speak up for
what they like and men are the ones that shame so so stick up
for your sister.
Also, is there any way we could get most podcasts set up the
same way podcast 2.0 infrastructures the no agenda
podcast. I'd love to get some chapters set up of the older
episodes. We're all for a number. I don't know. How many
of you at least 10 or 15? have chapters, which Dred Scott does.
Going back is actually something you can do. Emily, if you get
the hyper catcher app, it's in the app store and I think it's
only iPhone. Then you can set the chapters, with images and
with, with comments as suggestions. So you could do
that for any older show. You'd want to do that for it. And then
you can do it while you're listening. So that would be
really cool.
Then other people can help as well.
Anybody can help with that. Actually. Yes. Go find drab at
podcast, index dot social. And to wind it up here for Emily.
She has please give me a D dead beating. Congratulations. You're
no longer dead v. And she'd like some good decision making karma.
She's considering quitting her job to become a stay at home mom
with three young boys.
When she asked her own question what she could do for me.
There you go. Best thing you can do right there. Here's your
karma. Thank you very much. You've got your sister in
Christ. Thank you very much, Emily. Then we have a guest as
me good. Make good
for now say this. We did not miss you, john. This is on a
cash app. You're out. I pulled the spreadsheet every time and
your donations were not on the last spreadsheet for some odd
reason. I don't know why. But I mean, like I said, we're still
gonna bump you up to the top but jack Dorsey hates you, john.
Yeah, this was an omission on our part. We were very conscious
of that last show. Right. So
we got to get there. We got to here we got 65 for Episode 65
and 66 as he comes in again, for Episode 66 today, so we got you
there john would really appreciate it. Madeline Riley,
another executive producer. I love the show. $200 she sent
found yo when Adam was on higher side chats, skipped around
listen a few episodes, but I've now started starting with the
first one and somewhere in the middle. It's very interesting to
go back and listen to the shows that are more about current
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Thank you very much Madeline and
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I don't know what work joke but I love
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think it's a it's an insect. Really? Yeah, I think so. No,
ruin it for me. Though it could be a bird for you.
I have tons of them out here. So yeah, we
have one here. 210 is really happy because she planted this
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enjoyed your live stream last night. I look forward to
catching more of those as they happen. Your sharing is a
beautiful part of this amazing journey I'm on after years of
challenges. I divorced in 2017. After 35 years, and have grown
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Can I ask people to do one thing? I know people don't watch
it on YouTube. But go and comment and like do videos.
Because what it does is it tricks the algorithm to bring
more people in, um, and then we can siphon them off for YouTube.
That's the whole
the whole point is to help help us siphon siphon it off a
YouTube please.
That's exactly what we're trying to do. We're taking we're taking
them off to podcasting 2.0 and we got to get them in I got him
in the loop first. Very close to the live streaming podcast apps.
I'm waiting for it and I'm waiting.
Yeah since a lot of smart people a lot smarter me working on it.
Okay, we've got our last executive producer Brian mass
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You've got
66 from clay Wilson. Mo he says the quality of the show just
keeps improving and 65 was a particularly great episode. Whoo
sauce for everyone. Hopefully quick question. Have you seen
the HBO series Lovecraft country?
Have you have not not not watched it but now I'm happy to
go back and watch it, but a tragic loss of microwave
not to give away the whole plot but it revolves around an A das
man in 1950s. America discovers he is the last male line of an
ancient magical bloodline, and the efforts and the efforts of
two competing covens Calvin's attempt to sacrifice him to
control his power beyond broadcasting many of the themes
you've alluded to in many episodes it is genuinely worth a
watch and quite entertaining if not a little distressing. It
also features the new sadly now late Michael k Williams aka Omar
of the wire. If you made it that far. Look into what was planned
from the show runners for the now cancelled season. Go
podcasting? Yes, everybody. Got to watch that too. I gotta watch
this. This I gotta watch this 2017 movie from Oprah.
Very busy.
It's gonna be super busy.
Time that is small doses telling small in small doses because you
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take in a small it can
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Norris $50. Mo is the professor I wish I'd had in my African
American lit class circa late 90s. Washington State University
fascinating dive into the history of Cosby. I loved it
too. So good. Ramon Johnson $50, our final Executive Associate
associate executive producer for Episode Number 66 with $50. And
Ramon says, Why not be honest with people about pop control?
Are we not honest about
the show is about population control. What
shall we listen to remote?
That's the whole point of everything. I mean, we said that
earlier. Earlier shows that that's all roads lead to
population control. I mean, it's kind of like the maybe we don't
talk about it enough. But it's like, understood.
Yeah, I think it's been it's been a continuing theme
throughout everything. Yeah.
Right. It's like kind of my people I want you to do a show
on Oprah It's like she cuz she comes up in almost every
episode.
By the way, do you know that the the CNN, Doctor lady who's you
know who's on who's now always on saying, Oh, you know, make
them have a vaccine passport to go on airplanes and trains. You
don't have the right you know who she is? Lena. Wait, no. She
She was the former she's the former CEO of Planned
Parenthood.
Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, I mean, Case in point. I
mean, what do you Genesis right out in front with this one?
Maybe because we say you Genesis people don't might link that the
population control but
well just go look at the population mom. This is it's the
same people, some of them are still around today with the
climate change hoopla. They've always been the they being the
elites have always complained about having too many people.
That's gonna get out of control. What are you gonna do? And, and
that's the core of the Genesis and then we get the Nazis we
brought in, apparently, and they're still doing cool
experiments. Great time.
We don't talk about a name but that's the whole spirit of
what's going on pretty much it and pretty. They want us dead
folks. One way or another go. Thank
you very much to these executive producer and associate executive
producer of Episode Number 66 of mo faxes. Adam Curry will be
thanking some more people in another segment coming up. But
right now let's get back to the show.
So Ramon wanted some population control. So 30
China tried to ship enough fentanyl into the United States
to kill everybody in the US.
Yeah, I'm in agreement with that.
Well, sadly, it killed one of our favorite people, Omar now.
Michael K. Williams. I am so we have to talk about it. Because
you're a newly minted wire fan, which I think wire can have it
on like what's it called? cosplay or Comic Con like you
that shows problem where you could probably have that now but
Oh, yeah. Because when people like everybody said, Oh my god,
Omar died. Omar died. I was like what? Who? raised me like oh,
Omar and it's like so?
Oh, yeah, I mean it I immediately knew it because I
just just fresh from watching. So that's why I like Oh, man.
You just, you know, make everybody aware that you had
finished the wire last show. Yeah. Now this so? Well, we got
to talk about it. So let's go ahead and get into 31. But more
now on
the breaking news we've been following tonight the death of
actor Michael K. Williams who was found dead inside his
apartment in Brooklyn. And EYEWITNESS NEWS REPORTER Lucy
Yang is live outside his apartment in Williamsburg now
with more Lucy.
What David family friends co stars and fans are reeling from
the death of Michael Kenneth Williams. today. We're in
Williamsburg in front of the luxury condo where officials
confirm the 54 year old actor was found inside his penthouse
apartment by your nephew around two o'clock this afternoon.
Officials report there was drug paraphernalia around his body.
The me is on site right now and will determine if this was a
drug overdose. His body has not yet been removed from his
apartment. The Brooklyn born actor grew up in NYCHA housing
in East Flatbush, he went on to win critical acclaim for his
many roles, including for his portrayal of Omar little in the
HBO series, the wire, a gritty shows set in the drug dealing
underworld of New York City. It may have been a little too close
to reality of drugs did play a role in the actor's death. HBO
just a few minutes ago released a statement mourning the loss of
their HBO family member of more than 20 years. Michael K.
Williams was 54 years old.
New York City. Yeah, get a rope. No, she said it was the wire was
based in New York. Oh, she
said that. Oh, crap. What an idiot. Baltimore one job. Get
the obituary, right lady?
Come like, What? How do you get that wrong?
Because she was confused with Brooklyn and all that was no but
still, that's how they get everything wrong. It's always
wrong. You know, I just speak to general observation, General
macro observation. With the knowledge that the CIA most
likely is always been running the drugs out of Afghanistan,
the poppies or process or not whatever, to see Denzel
Washington and American Gangster True story. Right. Afghanistan,
that whole thing blew up and we pulled out. And the next day
we've got people dying from fentanyl. Or at least the
stories are showing up in the news.
Yeah, I mean, maybe Dallas is 2016 I know.
But they resigned from fentanyl, not from heroin. And it just
it's like it ratcheted it up. It's like Whoa, did the CIA
supply really truly get shut off? Do they have no way to
bring it in anymore? And therefore it's all fentanyl. I
mean, it was it as Alec says it's truly an attack. The
Chinese this this probably you're still pissed off over the
Opium Wars, even though that was the Brits but okay.
Well, we had to back up a little bit, because we talked about
planned obsolescence, right that you have to send it like with
heroin, it takes so long. And I say that like so morbidly with
the leaves look like cow we gotta wait from the die.
Like Skid Row, like Skid Row. That's where
you know, we need some hardcore something one hitter that's
gonna kill him. And something that we can put into every drug
because just from my research, Michael k k whales drug but he
struggled with cocaine, heroin, and they said drug
paraphernalia, so that makes you think like, he has stems and not
asking me spoons and spikes in a bill and those kinds of things
all around them. Right. So what? He never out all the clips I've
looked through. He never mentioned anything about using
heroin. Yes.
This is a known unknown fact that this is now popping up in
cocaine. In particular in in Brooklyn.
And weed. In weed. Yes.
Okay, now you have my attention.
No, I'm serious. I'm serious by this. I actually posted on my
arm. On my Twitter page. There is no, I mean, why would
anything they sprinkle anything on weed? Right? They were doing
the same thing with like, LSD, LSD, but PCP. Um, you know, for
a while they were doing that, and they were doing a embalming
fluid for right. Wow. I mean, if you got trash weed, you got to
move it. Why not? You know, sprinkle something on it. And
this is why I brought the story up. And we're not as you're
saying fitting. Oh, yeah. carfit now can't wear that no, car
fentanyl is like the is like the it's like, I think maybe heart
are strong and fit now.
It's like the methane of natural gas. Right. Geez.
This stuff is taking people I mean, like,
Well, I know. I know. I know. I know. I've been sent a message
to my stepdaughter. She's New York and she's 24 hours a day.
Just Don't be an idiot.
Right? Because you don't know what your investors think about
it. It's not like before, I mean, they're pressing appeals
and it's what what I think happened is even if you can't It
is so such a small dose that you can't separate saying like, if
you get like a little clump with seasoning your food. If you just
say like you get a little clump of strong seasoning when you
bite into one bite. You're dead.
Oh, no, I know it. There's been cops who have just been around
it and they and they almost die.
Right. And so I think with him when they said drug
paraphernalia. I don't actually I know everything he talked
about was cocaine. So what's really going on here but as we
talked about before I think they're they're cleaning up
streets that mean this is Vegas crate and especially if you're
thinking about it with the how Baltimore you need to get the
people and the sad thing about it is the addicts are going to
chase it
oh yeah oh yeah if they make it through it they'll want it
yeah I mean somebody died and like that was the one to ruin
things on wire right when make some money have a good package
to Mike die overdose all the rest of the addicts we're
looking for that package.
Yeah, I'm just looking at some some new stories has been going
on for about a year and a half or two years looks like with
that car fit now. It just says fentanyl as a just a note on
research.
This was saying I think this misnomer. I don't know why
they're not using the proper term for cuz they're two totally
different substances. And it's called everybody just I didn't
know that carfentanil I think it's nice to have the tea in
though it's like carfentanil without the tea. Okay, also look
into it. But yeah, it's like 10 or 100 times stronger than
fitting Oh, well it's bad enough in itself Yeah. Me Like so. What
are we doing here and a night um yeah, so I want to get into his
backstory here with Michael k Williams is no supersedes his
like drug use. Um, let's get into where we're at. Let's get
into 32 and this is Michael K. Williams death leaves painful
void
How many times have you been arrested as an adult Mr. Little
lost count.
He was the tour de force on screen
and in the kind of put my gun on no citizen.
You are a moral. You are a parasite leeches off just like
you culture of drugs. Excuse
me. I got the shotgun.
Got the briefcase. Still in the game though, right. known for
playing what many would go on to call the greatest character on
television ever. Omar Liddell, from the white man cadaver Co.
Michael K. Williams, the beloved actor and performer from East
Flatbush, Brooklyn was found dead in his New York apartment
on Monday afternoon.
A family member discovered Williams dead drug paraphernalia
was found in the home. While the cause
of his death is still unknown. The NYPD is investigating it as
a possible drug overdose things where you never expect someone
who seems to be at the prime of their career to come to
something like this. Williams electrifying audiences with
rousing and chilling performances as chalky white in
the period gangster series Boardwalk Empire.
He's here my dad tunes. What do you got to do with well,
building no bookcase,
inmate Friday night in the night of and most recently as Montrose
Freeman. The complicated closeted father in Lovecraft
country.
One of my favorite roles. His was the Boardwalk Empire and
Boardwalk Empire with a Yeah, that was good. Yeah. Everybody
talks about it like the why I mean, of course, cuz that was
his breakout. Right. That was a great show. And he had a very
interesting role that he played in that in that period piece. So
this is just the backdrop once again, you hear drug
paraphernalia? I don't know what they're doing with that. I mean,
like, I mean, why why are they stressed in the paraphernalia
thing? it what it does? In my mind, it just paints the picture
of like, they're trying to say it's like a heroin overdose,
because that's just what
that's certainly what you think about Yeah, right.
So I'm just just, that's what I'm saying with that, but so
they're gonna go on and speak more and part two about his, his
addiction and his accolades.
But it was that distinctive scar on his face that changed the
trajectory of his entire career. You're not nearly as scary as I
thought you were going to be the actor telling Dan Harris in 2008
how he got it,
you know, 25 years old, barroom brawl, drinking and drugging,
you know, out of my mind,
it became this distinctive defining characteristic of him.
That sort of helped him create the balance between edge and
tenderness and, you know, this hardened past but a hope for a
warmer future.
And I will put a bullet in all your bio and what happened right
now you are,
but it was his nuanced role as Omar Liddell in the wire, a
black openly gay hustler that was unheard of in Hollywood,
which cemented Williams as star power
as you told me out the On a successful playing an openly gay
thug on television, I couldn't have seen this comment in a
million years.
Up until that point, so many people had never seen a black
gay man on TV. And when they had seen them, it was in the guise
of flamboyance and flightiness. But oh, my little, no, on top of
being this really, you know, sort of fascinating anti hero,
his sexuality became a part of his identity that couldn't be
ignored. Obviously, portrayal of little so iconic to garner the
attention of President Barack Obama,
Omar's Oh, by the way, my favorite character,
what do you think when you heard Barack Obama said you were his
favorite character?
You know, my first reaction about that was was based on my
mother to see the proudness of her face, and to see how her
eyes lit up made my day.
So you got here like this Obama theme, just listen for it. But
um, I have to disagree with the gentleman's analysis that the
gayness was a, like, a standout part of his character, which it
wasn't in a way it was because it was shocking at the time. But
they didn't make his character about being gay.
is no normal, no more than, than any of the other characters who
were making out with women in the show was it was it was not
central to the it might have been, it wasn't even central to
the plot, where there was some other things going on, you know,
with the kid who was in jail, and then you know, the guy goes
there and hooks up with his wife.
So I mean, that's, that's the thing is, I saw that they were
trying to, rightfully so paint him as a gay rights activist in
a way. I mean, when they were covering his death. Oh, really?
I thought, that good actor, that's all I saw.
I mean, that's what I saw, too. But I mean, even when they
brought them back around, and what was it called the one that
we were suggested to watch. The Lovecraft had to go back to
planning a closeted gay character. So that Right, right,
yeah. So I just found it interesting that they took that
angle, because that's what made the wire so great. And in my
opinion, the greatest television show ever. Because everybody was
humanized. Yeah, it was real. Yeah, it was like, Okay, I know
a person like that, or, you know, that's believable. It
wasn't just like, shooting gun sideways. And, you know, all the
stereotypical things that come along with not only being black,
but being gay, right? p was a man at the end of the day, I'm
with you. Like, he's not my words, his words, like you only
saw black man as being flaming. And this is a first
representation that we saw like this. So, um, so now we get to
go to your favorite guy. Ra.
You're supposed to say your buddy, your buddy, Ari.
He's your buddy Ra.
He's a pal of the pod. Yeah.
He talks to Michael about his role on the wire. I gotta say. I
mean, you can make a national news.
That is, that is not an endorsement. He was not my
favorite person. But he's a fascinating character. And
there's a real life story of a gay gangster who only robbed
drug dealers. And that gives back in a sort of Robin Hood,
what do you think about playing a character that made such an
impression on Barack Obama?
It was, it was eye opening experience. For me, the impact
that had on me was on to say I was humbled was and then again,
an understatement. But I wasn't living my best life when that
happened. Really, what do you make? I was, um, I was caught up
in my own personal whirlwind. You know, I'm the why was my
breakout role. I didn't you know, I didn't handle my wasn't
handling my finances, or that that started them very well. You
know, people calling me Omar was having an effect on my psyche.
You know, I wasn't using my platform, the way I believe I'm
beginning to do today to help further my community. You know,
when President Obama called me out, basically, I had no
knowledge of anything that was going on, or I was one of those
people that pretty much went to sleep when when we elected him
into office, and I stopped caring.
Thanks, Obama. Interesting.
Is this thing like what made you would do it? I don't know. I
just want to do as a quick aside When black people have any
contact with Obama, it's like so your Obama moment? How was it?
Yeah, we me, how was it? I mean, it was alright. In the fact that
Obama didn't recognize Michael K. Williams. He recognized his
character, but he's like, how's it feel for Obama to recognize
you? Like, seriously? Tell me Gosh, it's my okay. I mean,
like, it's just when you heard it, you heard it before, right?
The same thing with Obama likes you. You like that's like their
stamp of approval or something
that you've been, you've been blessed. You've been touched by
His Holiness.
Right? It's kind of like when Oprah will say something about
your product right? by it, yeah. Kind of the same thing. But that
didn't last long. But I just found that weird. They would.
They constantly did this and clips of like, a talk about
Obama. Obama. I'm here to talk about my show where he was there
to talk about a juvenile justice. And he had gotten
involved in I don't wanna say politics, their policies. He was
trying to get people to vote, but that was like their thing
like Omar Omar can reach him.
Oh, of course, it mean, Ari. Melbourne, is a political
operative. Correct. So that's, that's why they bring up you
know, it's talking about Ari's boss. That's really what's going
on.
Yeah, by any means is necessary that are you he'll try to get
you to this year, to a certain point. But if we're going to
talk Why are we taught wire? So this is just as we talked about
Baltimore, in the last segment, I thought we had to tie
Baltimore in with this because Baltimore was a character itself
in the show the wire right I mean, the city itself horse
character, hmm. So this is probably one of the best
supporting actors or supporting characters for the size and role
here in any television show was clay Davis.
I know he was good enough to let us stage in the council, sweetly
inaugurations,
no data to find showing in the general no doubt 81% 82 in a
city where Democrats outnumber republicans not in what
anything less would have been an embarrassment. So what can we do
for you, Senator? Well,
first of all, I wanted to clear the air. If there are any hard
feelings over what happened during the primaries, you're
going to give the money back. It's been a very long day. Cut
to the chase. Understand you have a problem at the top of the
police department. You asked Burrell to resign he declined.
I'm looking for a replacement. The ministers like Burrell
soldiers council president, we're confident that when we
identify a suitable candidate, Miss Campbell and the ministers
will see the wisdom of new leadership. So we are need to
get a pay raise through the city council pay raise would help. I
can ask the Reese about that pay raise getting passed, maybe
convince some of the ministers they need to move on from the
rail. situation we have to be resolved sooner rather than
later. do my best partner. And what do we do for you in return?
I'm in Annapolis. Word I'm hearing you may be there too.
And a couple of years. we may find ourselves working together
closely. Thanks for your time. Jesus Christ apologizes for the
short card. And in the next breath and the sound for the
law. humoristic is the ease and we know what the long con is. At
least we know we've run in what she Yeah.
One of the greatest catchphrases from a television show as well.
But yeah, this clip this might embody what the wire was about
the ministers and the politicians in the streets and
how they all interconnected in this little Baltimore, um, to be
a major city is small. But that's that was the greatness of
the show. But I have this clip that I found when I was doing
the Henrietta Lacks segment. And tario patella. On actually how
Baltimore worked in this way.
I wanted I one of the other really fascinating things in
your book. You talk about the history of policing involved.
More. And you you've said, You told me before the interview
that you sort of see some parallels today, we might be
under a new age of surveillance. You know that if it's not
already started today and and I think one of the most
fascinating things in your book, you talk about how the the so
the Baltimore chapter of the Black Panther Party was actually
started as part of a cointelpro operation, which is run by the
FBI to sort of sort of infiltrate the national chapter,
which was based in Chicago and in Oakland,
right. And so so what happened was that an army veteran who had
joined the National Security Agency, which had built a new
headquarters near Baltimore, was sent here to create a Black
Panther Party in Baltimore. But the interesting thing about that
kind of surveillance was that what I just talked about was an
FBI operation. What also happened at the same time was
that there was a very significant penetration of the
activist scene in Baltimore by the Baltimore City Police
Department. And this also has some political implications
because a crucial election came in Baltimore in 1971 mayoral
election, and so so for for the police department did a
penetrate the the campaign's of William Donald shaffers, to
black opponents, and then fed all that surveillance
information to his campaign. And at the same time, the police
department also had under surveillance, many of the
aspiring black office seekers
felt the wire was a documentary.
So many truth bombs. That's just insane, isn't it? Especially
with the surveillance? Well, that's why I put that in. Yeah.
Wire pairs,
they were it was just to be Wow, always be on camera. I mean,
they lived their lives under 24 hour surveillance. And they
actually had this story come out of Baltimore, how they were
using drones to to surveil Baltimore. So it's crazy, right,
then they use the Black Panther Party. Yes. The cointelpro more.
Which makes you look at the Baltimore riots differently.
When I when I heard that, I was like, Huh, oh,
who knows? Who knows? Again, we're living in a simulation.
Totally. I mean, this stuff is really happening, but it's not
exactly what you think it is.
I thought that was too good to leave on the class. Great.
Appreciate, but
now we get because it's pertinent. But can you do me one
favor, and go search by the next clip on YouTube search by that
title? And you're gonna get it, I forgot to send you the
screenshot. But I want you to see the picture of Michael K.
Williams, and the what the pictures is in the chair on the
left hand side of him, why you could do it while we're playing
this next clip, but okay, if you could
feel by the brokers, quite frankly, made me sick to my
stomach. When I I was ignorant to the narrative and the subject
of what this movie was was addressing. And I remember
personally, you know, one of those many nights when I was
crying myself to sleep, listen to BB cc line is I with I would
see these these commercials about the, you know, these
elaborate beautiful recovery centers, you know, mostly most
of them within Malibu, and I would, I would say, Man, if I
could get there, maybe I could just get my life together. And
to think that that was never really the that was never the
intent. Yeah.
And that's what the movie explores is, you know, we talked
about the amount of profit that people make selling drugs, but
there is money also in the rehab process, as well, where people
exploit folks trying to get help this you have this pivotal
moment that happened in your life that involved in senator
brock obama on the campaign trail since 2008. And that's
actually what I just interviewed him and met him as well. I'm
living in Chicago, and he's got this book of hope and all these
things. And you said that I just didn't feel worthy of meeting
this man. You're in the room, you're there for a reason, but
you didn't feel worthy.
Why the impact of my ignorance, actually and, you know, it was
like, Well, how does the future president of free world you
know, see me what makes him watch the wire? And more
importantly, how come I don't know who he is? How come I don't
know what he's about.
Nobody knows Obama. Nobody knew who Obama was prior to
2007 2008.
I was just talking about that at dinner. I said, you know, one
term senator, we don't have any of his records. We can't find
anyone who actually attended a class that he taught
constitutional law. Been. Everything's been locked up. We
don't really think about that guy.
So did you see the picture?
Are you talking about the picture of him with the Kings
County? New York t shirt?
No. Is that will it look over to the left hand side where he's in
frame? It's a picture on the chair to the left hand side.
Yeah,
there's like a dude like a What can I see here? Yeah, guys.
Enhance rotate. Zoom. Okay. It's I'm at Mac zoom.
Is that Obama kissing him?
Oh, no, that's not what I'm seeing. Hold on. This must be
something else on a second. So it's in. We don't
want to belabor the point. But are you kidding me? If If Omar
is
kissing Barack, I got this is worth stopping the whole damn
show for hold on us. Oh, oh, I got it. I got it. I got it. I
gotta get home. Now that's not Brock. You sure?
I couldn't make it out. That's why I didn't ask the question.
Um, why would you have that picture sitting on the chair and
that signature looks like the
end. This signature does look a little bit like, you know what,
I can't zoom in enough now. But that is definitely going to the
lab. And I'm gonna I'm gonna put this in the show notes.
Everyone's got a Yeah, but it is it's just laying there on the
chair. Like it's he did it on purpose.
Right. Wow. That would be a weird picture anybody else to
have in the frame? It's like a you got me Got me. Oh, by Barry.
Oh, memorabilia.
Wow, that's crazy.
I know people are asking me why berrio Why Why are you stressing
brock obama with him? Right? Well, he had this movie called
body brokers. And in the movie, it covers the the loopholes
created in the rehab system. And with the ACA, also known as the
Obamacare.
The Affordable Care Act. Yeah, uh huh.
Yes. So you, you want to get your strikes? Yes.
Yes, stop teasing.
I'm going to let you in on a little secret. In 2008, when the
Affordable Care Act was designed, it required every
health care provider to cover substance abuse treatment, as
right since the bill was passed in early 2000s. sober livings,
100 inpatient treatment centers and 200, detoxes have opened up
shop. Just in Southern California alone. Yeah, business
is fucking for me. That's nearly 35,000 beds that need to be
filled each month, and almost half a million that need to be
filled a year. Off the top of my head, that's somewhere around
$12 billion dollars annually. And again, that's just in
Southern California. This is what we in the treatment
industry called the fucking Gold Rush. yellow gold. You probably
wouldn't believe it. pison This cup is worth more than an ounce
of white truffle, Beluga caviar, platinum, gold or even rhino
horn. Each cup of peerspace $2,000. And each client can test
up to five times a week. Do the math. That's $10,000. A fucking
week off this. There are three phases of treatment. detox, we
generally Bill 4000 a day for the typical state being between
seven and 10 days. next phase was residential. The average
days 60 days at $2,000 a day. Lastly, is outpatient. We built
20 $500 a day for this. Based on a 90 day program, detox
residential intensive outpatient anyways, that's 300,000 per
person per 90 days. somewhere like new West has 60 million
billed every quarter and wait for it 72 million build a year.
You fucking heard me 72 million.
So not only do I remember that. I actually remember the whole
controversy about that. And everyone's like what is going on
is printing money. It was in the first year. So two is really
quick right off the bat this first term.
Where else is testing being big now? Correct. Coronavirus every
employee has to be tested. That's a weak same damn scam.
Well you also know who recently bought a testing company. Our
guest Bill Gates, George Soros yes actually together the two of
them together bought that
the testing is worth more because she is no no no, we
don't want you to take the vaccine as a one time thing. No,
no, no, no,
I have. So I had to travel to Europe to see my daughter and
because of the three day rule 72 hours and I was worried I did
one on Saturday one on Sunday. And I had to drive to carville's
like piece of crap town to the CVS First of all, the test was
drive thru so you drive up, give him your your, your assurance
card, and you have to understand I have hi Oscar is the name of
my insurance like it's disaster insurance because it's, I'm just
not gonna throw money away so I have like an $8,000 deductible.
So I give her that and she give me the bags. Okay, here it is.
Just go ahead and park in the parking lot. swab your nose and
drive through again and drop it off. So the first thing is like,
wow, okay, so this is for a document that is supposedly
going to allow me to enter into the European Union and I can
just stick it under my armpit and throw it into the test tube.
Okay. today or yesterday, I got the I got the receipts for the
for the insurance. Both are paid in full. You know, the you know,
who's paying for your you know, who's paying it? Right. It's not
CVS.
every employer has to have one test. per employee. Yeah. A
week.
Oh, yeah. No, I've done the numbers. The Presidents Oh, we
got 80 billion tests. Yeah, that'll last America about three
weeks. Right. We're not impressed with your 80 million
tests.
So we saw this. We saw this done before this game. I mean, he
called it the yellow gold.
liquid gold. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, and these are agendas. The Vax
pressure to roll out is more the pharmaceutical industry than the
then government Believe it or not, it all works.
This case. Yes. Same way with this case, my Hey, let's get the
addicks and the thing was they would tell the you know us that
we're no respectfully at it, but they will tell them recovering
addicts, or you gotta come in dirty.
scam to work. Yeah. Wow. encouraging
them to go back and I will be doing a deeper dive on this. But
I just wanted to bring that up. But since we're talking about
this is AJ type of show. Dirty man.
The FBI calls people running these businesses quote, body
brokers, people who traffic body parts and tissue from dead
people. Now this is a search warrant for the biological
Resource Center of Illinois. But in these pages, it spells out
details of what investigators say they found here in Arizona.
The FBI says at least 20 bodies donated to biological Resource
Center and sold to another body supplier had infectious diseases
things like Hepatitis B and C mersa, meningitis, sepsis, even
HIV. Those remains were sent to surgical training workshops
where workers told investigators they never would have used in
best infected body parts had they known. We talked to a woman
who said she had planned to donate to BRC, even though she
had cancer and was part of a hepatitis outbreak as a kid she
was shocked to hear they might be passing off diseased parts as
healthy.
I don't want to make anybody sick can't imagine it being
true. But I'm not naive people will make $1 any way they can.
Okay, so she knows but Elizabeth did the donors and their
families know what these remains would be used for
according to the Warrens. Stephanie the families were told
their donations would not be sold But investigators say they
discovered body parts were sold at times for 1000s of dollars
you know a lot of this is really unbelievable what's legal what
isn't legal?
Well it might shock you but it isn't illegal to trafficking
body's organs and tissues of dead people. It crosses the line
though when those donation centers say they have the donors
permission to use the remains in a way that they do not
sound familiar?
Yes, it does. It does it does
Johns Hopkins a body broker by definition
Oh totally and and I'm gonna just gonna throw Planned
Parenthood back out there again. Throw all that shit in there. Oh
my goodness. That's crazy.
Well, we don't broker in bodies over here. We make our money the
hard way.
I like money. I just I don't want any money around me is not
I'd almost rather have a new one than a brand and then an old 20
that's kind of dumb and but there's some bad new money that
excites you. Like $100 bills. The most beautiful thing on
earth is $100 bill I haven't seen a woman has good luck. Is
there something that excites you?
Yes, that is right. We liked the new money when that clip was
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logical step in my mind for medical procedures
sterilization, it could turn into eugenics progress towards
for the incarcerated these judges should be disbarred for
these tyrannical rulings. There is no difference and in fact it
wasn't even that long ago that we had medical sterilization as
punishment in the United States.
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with Adam Curry.
You know, I had to do it. You know, I had to do it. The LG AJ.
I don't like I'm putting chemicals in the water they turn
the friggin frogs.
Can you say? Can I just say something about this? since we
moved out of Austin? We're 80 miles west. We have a well we
have well water. And I've had this plant called the money
plant might have my my agent 12 years ago gave it to me when I
used to my agent, guilt plant Adam, you love it. So I've kept
this thing with me for 12 years. It's it's been through for
marriage. It's been on the road with me touring in the
airstream. And I've always taken care of it. I love it. It's
called buzz name is plant plants around plant is in a similar
situation. But now it's being fed with the well water. Holy
crap. This thing's on fire now. Telling me the city water is
crap.
This is one of those means to say that this is a classic this
is this is the classic. This is a classic AJ. But there's some
there's some truth behind it, but we got to find it. So we got
to talk about Tyrone Hayes and him being targeted by the
herbicide firm.
Yes, now we turn to the story of a university of california
scientists who discovered that a popular herbicide may have
harmful effects on the endocrine system. Tyrone Hayes was first
hired in 1997 by a company that later became agribusiness giant
Syngenta. They asked him to study their product, their
product Atrazine, pesticides, more than half the corn crops in
the United States and widely used on golf courses and
Christmas tree farms. But after Hayes found results that the
manufacturer did not expect that Atrazine causes sexual
abnormalities in frogs and could cause the same problems for
humans. Syngenta refused to allow him to publish his work.
This was the start of an epic feud between the scientist and
the corporation.
Now a new article on New Yorker magazine uses court documents
from a class action lawsuit against Syngenta to show how it
sought to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency
from banning the profitable chemical, which is already
banned by the European Union. To start with the company's public
relations team drafted a list of four goals reporter Rachel Aviv
writes quote, The first was, quote discredit Hayes in a
spiral bound notebooks and generous Communications Manager
Sherry Ford, who referred to Hayes by his initials, wrote
that the company could prevent citing of th data by revealing
him as non credible he was a frequent topic of conversation
at company meetings and gentle look for ways to exploit Hayes
faults problems. If th involved in scandal. enviros will drop
him Ford road.
Yep, the good old Atrazine followed it for quite a while.
Did you follow Tyrone Hayes?
Not at all? Never it? Never. Of course. I
mean, of course.
Well, no, I didn't mean it that way.
Of course, not. Never, never we put you know, we talked about
Atrazine on no agenda for several years. silenced. Of
course, he was totally crap.
I thought you had to trust the science.
Now, not when there's money involved. That's my
point. Here's the black man telling people that they're
frauds are gay. And they silenced him. Oh, man. You want
to hear more about Tyrone? Yes,
yes. Once or twice? We'll stop teasing. It's not fun when you
do that. Yes, you know, I do you know?
Well, here at Berkeley, I was a new assistant professor. I was
already studying the effects of hormones and effects of
chemicals that interfere with hormones and amphibian
development. And I was approached by the manufacturer
and asked to study the effects of Atrazine, the herbicide on
frogs, and after it sub discovered that it interfered
with male development and caused males to turn into females to
develop eggs. The company tried to prevent me from publishing
and from discussing that work with other scientists outside of
their panels. Well, initially, we found that the larynx or the
voice box in exposed males didn't grow properly. And this
was an indication that the male hormone testosterone was not
being produced at appropriate levels. And eventually, we found
that not only that were these males, D masking alized or
chemically castrated, but they also were starting to develop
ovaries are starting to develop eggs. And eventually, we
discovered that these males didn't breed properly, that some
of the males actually completely turned into females. So we had
genetic males that were laying eggs and reproducing as females.
And now we're starting to show that some of these males
actually show I guess, what we call homosexual behavior. They
actually I prefer to meet with other males. So one of the most
disheartening things in this whole process is that many of my
critics, you know, it's want to be academic if you come and say,
well we interpreted the data this way and we want to argue
about this point but these people really didn't even have
an opinion this these opinions were written by the manufacturer
and they were paid to put their names on it to endorse the
opinions of the manufacturer so you know, that's one of the most
disheartening things if they were really just personalities
for sale
Yeah, personalities for sale
personalities for sale what is their goal here? You know, I'm
like you have this black scientists from the University
of California Berkeley are accredited did the work had the
scientific proof and they set out to destroy him? Because they
didn't like his narrative and he went and played ball well, it's
so i i don't think that they that this was purely profit
driven. I'm going to initially presume be accused of After all,
it was a it was a about frogs. It was an amphibious steady, and
they just don't want any negative any negative noise. And
so I don't think it was killed to turn children gay turn
Jamboree. No, but believe me, believe me, I got a look at all
these all these angles.
Right. But what I'm saying is even his blackness when he in if
you look at Tyrone, um, he showed up with like a lavender
and black, black plaid jacket. And he you know, he seemed
somewhat feminine. I'm not making no making any assumptions
about him. But it's like, you say if he was no gay, gay and
black couldn't even protect him from being harassed and silent.
Right, right. When it comes to the green. It doesn't matter how
many frogs folks, when it comes to the green. Nobody save. You
have to push the agenda. That's the point. I'm trying to push
with this segment. That it doesn't matter about the
science.
Yeah, I see what you're saying. He's a sharp dresser.
He's a very sharp dresser. Give him even more credibility in my
book, to come out and say, Oh,
no, wait, Hayes lives in California with wife Kathy Kim
and their two children. Okay. Doesn't mean he doesn't mean
he's not gay. You don't mean
nothing. Right. I mean, what I'm saying is the fact that on his
walk campus Yeah, no, I hear you be railroaded and the black
person which, you know, Oh,
okay. Yeah, the Berkeley the Berkeley part is makes it very
annoying. I gotcha. Now very annoying.
Yeah. Um, but I will say this,
welcome to the bottom.
The reason why I did this segment is that we seen a man
pregnant. I don't mention his name. Please. Don't feed the
troll. Please don't feed the troll folks. Um, we've seen a
pregnant black man, take over the headlines. Um, and I think,
well, let's get let's go and play 43. And I'll tell you what,
I think on the backside of it.
Two months later, I was pregnant again. So I went back to her at
16 weeks. I went for an ultrasound at the clinic and saw
a different doctor who was working that day. I found out
again, I was in preterm labor. The doctor told me that the baby
was going to abort. I said, No, you have to do something. But he
was adamant. He said, just go home, let it abort. You can get
pregnant again because that's what you people do. My sister
Kelly was with me. We didn't know what to do after the doctor
left. So we saw a chair sitting sitting in the hallway. My
sister picked up the chair and she threw it down the hallway.
Nurses came running from everywhere to see what was
wrong. A nurse called my doctor, and she put me on a stretcher.
The next morning, my doctor came in and placed the star clouds on
my uterus and I was able to carry my baby. My daughter, my
angel who is now 20 years old, my son, who was saved is now 21
years old. This is what desperation looks like that
chair flying down the hallway. This is what being your own
advocate looks like. Everyday black women are subjected to
harsh, harsh and racist treatment during pregnancy and
childbirth. Everyday black women die because the system denies
our humanity. It denies this patient care. I sit before you
today as a single mom as a nurse as an activist and as a
Congresswoman and I am committed to doing the absolute most to
protect black mothers to protect black babies to put protag black
birthing people and to save lives.
Yeah, what I think they're doing is politically I'm not talking
about people socially or whatever. They tabbies terms
like black birthing people In whatever everything she said up
to that point is a very serious concern. Because we heard of the
mortality rates and a women concern. Yeah. which feeds back
into what we talked about with Johns Hopkins and the care that
they get in, in poor hospitals or hospitals. That they Well,
let me say it like this Not for Hopkins, definitely not for
hospital, but the two tiered medical system for poor people.
And that's a very serious topic. And they use Oh, black birthing
people in there. It's like birthing people. But Hmm, I
mean, whatever you whatever you do, you do, but it kind of
discredits and dis derails a serious topic. Is that by
strategy? I don't know. I mean, I don't know why they're trying
to lump gay with black and make it synonymous. Find it very
troubling. I find it very troubling. For us, kind of like
black and brown, it's this.
No, it's for sure. It's, while they're doing all this now,
because everyone's amygdala is so out of whack. That work. I
mean, everybody is in constant fight or flight mode, you know.
So that's when you're so susceptible. And I think these
terms slip in a bone, which cemented forever. But why
they're doing this particular? I mean,
if this block building
blocks, yeah, it's pure. It's purely political. Yeah, I agree.
That's, that's all that it is.
When it could be deeper, but I'll show you another example of
this. Just go through this right quick. This is Candace Owens
with Mark Lamont Hill.
So to acknowledge a social construct does not mean that we
ignore biology. And it doesn't, it doesn't mean that we don't
have
men get pregnant. I know I know, it depend on I know trans men
that can get pregnant, that means it's a woman, only one sex
argument, this argument is proving my thing, there is a
truth, a concrete truth, you have to be born with a uterus to
have a baby, only women can get pregnant, the fact that we've
arrived in a society. That's the point of disagreeing something
is that these are facts. So you can say that this person who is
pregnant identifies as a man, that person was born a woman, I
can tell you that every single time because only women can have
sex, because there are concrete truths about life, is that the
kids can have babies pardon. And that that is a hard truth about
life, you cannot make that go away, because you want to call
him as somebody who has a beard and dress like a dude, a woman,
only if it's pregnant, I'll take and take exactly what it is.
It's a woman
and that kind of thing. But I think this is what we talked
about before. This is magic. This is this is a magic spell.
Oh, thank you. Thank you for saying that. Before you
continue, ever since you returned me and which of course
is forbidden from show one, you've turned me on to the
spell. And I was reading about spells the other day in the
context as in the context of, of how the the church used to work.
Before the Gutenberg press before people could read the
Bible themselves. And you know, the idea of a spell is literally
because of the words you're spelling out words. It is just
wording spec spelling. The actual spell is just when when
you say black birthing person, I hear that as a spell. Now.
The same thing with men can have babies. It's like it does
something to the brain that you can hear can his own wishes.
She's music cool as a cucumber, which you can see she was
getting worked up. Yeah,
she's in pretty new mom herself. So she's kind of pissed off
about that.
Right. But like I said, even if it's not even a point to argue,
I mean, that's my thing, but they use it as a it's just like
a trigger on nudge to bring you into the conversation of what
are we doing here? I mean, like, seriously, what what what are we
discussing? I mean, we have a serious topic, that Corey bush
he covered promise a minute and a half. And then you Shimon
stumbled on the
words to very
Yeah. So and then, this is a ben shapiro clip of transgender
parents tried to breastfeed, ciao, this is
being champion. These are civil rights heroes. There's a man was
sticking his nipple in the mouth of the child in the mouth of a
small baby, in a bizarre attempt to nourish the baby with
literally nothing, and you're a bigot. If you disagree. You're
the authoritarian for suggesting there is a problem here. There
is apparently a series that is is called nine months with
Courtney Cox. It's a docu series about various couples having
children. And this went viral yesterday. It is a video from
apparently season three episode eight of nine months with
Courtney Cox and it features A transgender man, meaning a
biological woman, who pushed is a biological woman, we had a
baby, there's not a man who had a baby, because that's not
possible. There's a biological woman who used her uterus to
create a baby and then push the baby out through her vagina
because she's a biological woman once more, and no amount of
testosterone that produces facial hair, or growing the hair
out, or mastectomies changes the fact that this is a biological
woman, as evidenced by the fact that biological men cannot give
birth. And by the way, you're a bigot, if you disagree. Not only
are you bigot, if you bring up your children to disagree, left
will will sick your authoritarian regime on you. I
mean, this is the way this is going to go over the next few
years you watch here is the bizarre new world we have
created for ourselves, the counter reality new world we
have created for ourselves. But it doesn't matter. So long as
these people feel better about themselves. Sure, the baby's
gonna starve to death. But at least the delusional parents
feel better about themselves. And
the reason why I bring all this up is I saw everybody here catch
on fire, with the one that won't be named. Walking around as a
pregnant man. We have this stop beating into things that we we
see things it's like you're seeing Mr. Trigger, you don't
stop and watch the magic show. He's like, keep keep it moving.
Because that's what they want to do is drag you in. Until I
conversation is only gonna leave you perplexed. It's,
it's gonna leave you perplexed. Because if you don't agree,
you're immediately shamed. That's why you need to stay away
from that.
Right? And if you do agree, it's like, well, you will never
agree. And that's the whole point is to leave you in a
perpetual state of frustration. And that in this, how to break
your wheel. And I will say this People's Choice, this is
America, you can do whatever you want to do with language inside
the letter of the law. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is
stop being so triggered by what you see, because that's the
desire to fake. That's why I won't mention this character's
name, because that's what he wants from you. He wants to
trigger you to
like I'm saying this is a public service announcement. Keep it
moving, folks. Just keep it moving.
OFAC says keep it moving, folks. Keep it moving in.
Because you have you have to we have to have not, you're gonna
get sucked into a circular argument. It's only gonna leave
you frustrated. And that's how trolls work. The trolls bring
you into something like
yes, by the way, the person who should not go name that it was
an excellent troll.
perfectly honest about it. He is a Master Master.
Yeah.
He knows how to get a response because he used to run a fan
page for Nicki Minaj. So understand the power of mean you
know, he might you're in his domain. When you get on the
internet, you're in his domain. So he knows exactly how to get
around the you know, the whatever the sneakers with the
bla bla bla bla, we won't get into it. But my point is, I'm
saying this to people. Don't allow yourself to be triggered,
because there's other stuff we need to worry about, like uterus
transplant.
Oh, of course. It's 8am. from Fox 35. Do you know where your
uterus is? This is good day Orlando.
game changer for some couples experts think that within the
next five to 10 years, they couldn't be possible for men to
have a baby, carry a baby deliver a baby, all of it coming
up next, we're gonna speak to a local fertility doctor about the
new development that could possibly become reality.
On the Healthwatch this morning, recently, the Cleveland Clinic
announced that it is performing uterus transplant surgery for
some women that led to some people to wonder if they could
transplant the universe into a man. And if so, can a man give
birth? The answer is yes. A doctor from the University of
Southern California says it can be a reality in about five to 10
years and maybe even sooner. Dr. Mark Charles with Fertility Care
joins us now to talk about this. My first question is why? Oh,
goody.
goody, I can't wait.
Seriously? Yes. Yeah, we only had a permit for it. But this is
more
remember, remember mo they have to get ratings. I mean,
television. I was looking at the MTV Video Music Award. I know
they don't really report overnight ratings anymore. But a
couple years ago, they had 12 million people watching will I
guarantee you it wasn't that this year. You'll see such a
poor production now. But it's not even that it doesn't matter
which show you put on it doesn't matter who's doing it.
Television is done.
That's why they have to troll see they have to troll. Yes,
exactly,
exactly. And so the troll is a part of the system is how it
works. That's exactly right. And I
saw clips of that because that used to be the Illuminati
combination ball but it was so low quality. I was listening to
green screens and the back crowd was like geez they have fell off
like their their resort to salt this source of war tactics of
having a machine gun Kelly and what Conor McGregor fight. It's
like, man, y'all are really scraping the bottom now.
I saw that there were a couple of that checkerboard floors.
There were some burning hearts with daggers and there was some
stuff in there.
Oh, yeah, clock Chloe. She she's being groomed to do Yeah, all
over. She's being groomed to be the next but what I'm saying is
the quality of it. I mean, with such poor quality. It's like
they're not even getting the top people to show up or run it
behind the scenes. So I mean, we're we're winning the war.
Easily, easily. No, no, we we are winning the war. That's why
podcasting. 2.0 is keeping everybody honest and keeping
everybody out of trouble. Where they can't take that you can't
be canceled. Your show can't be canceled. And nor can the money.
I mean, we love PayPal and cash app, but that's a problem. We
can keep going forever. So we are winning. We are winning we
are with eventually it's all going to collapse upon itself.
But we'll have to do some work before that happens most
especially you and I
but that's what the last block was about is just don't allow
yourself to be triggered keep keep you're not meant to side is
a real thing. And one part of that is the is the gaslighting
aspect of it. So don't don't fall prey to it.
And you can tell from this show how we are. Everything's
possible. And it isn't even that hard. So Moe, thank you. This
was really good mouse. This was a good potluck. I used you blew
me away multiple times. Really cool. I was so refreshing to to
have a different take on all of these stories that are that are
rolling right now. And, you know, especially props to
Henrietta Lacks, man. That's the story I got to dive deep into. I
got to find out anything more. It's going
to evolve into a full show. I guess I wanted to address it
now. Because you seem to start to ramp up with the Crump
aspect. And the anniversary coming. He was saying thank God
for Crump man he keeps us with material. We appreciate it.
Thank you. And thank you mo I really appreciate what you've
done once again.
Thank you, Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to everything
and the truth reveal itself.
And two weeks we'll be back but when's the next live?
Eight o'clock Wednesday, eight o'clock Wednesday.
That's it everybody. Episode Number 66 mo facts with Adam
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