moe facts with Adam Curry for September 1 2021, Episode Number
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facts with Adam Curry Episode Number 65. where it stops
nobody knows except of course for Moe he knows exactly we're
going to talk about today the topic for both X 65 is
great actor and comedian Bill Cosby.
Yeah, this is one this is when we had to do this is this. An
old Bill Cosby thing came in such a weird time. In the in the
timeline of life with everything going on with Corona and with
Rona with the COVID and with just everything. It was like all
of a sudden that and then there was that?
And then there wasn't. There wasn't exactly it came and then
it went. So I'm sure this is probably off a lot of people's
radars now. But as you know, I like to pick a topic and go all
the way through. kind of explain the backstory to this one hell
of a man Bill Cosby if I have to say so myself. But I only know
him as Bill Cosby, the TV show. Fat Albert in those things,
right? We don't know who these people are. And the jello.
Bill Cosby from the jello,
right? Kiss Donna stain. I mean, he has I mean, and then even
when you go back to his earlier movies, so Ghost Dad, and even
before then, so we don't know these people. But what I like to
do more, instead of getting into the nuts and bolts of the case,
is to get into the narrative behind the whole story with Bill
Cosby, how he was really how he was used, if he was used. And
why he was used. If he was if he was in deed, you'd well come
on now mode would be a very short show. If he wasn't used.
We all know you got something up your sleeve. gave it away there.
He might be the puppet here. I mean, who knows? You see, I'm
saying so what we have to do without a doubt at
one point in the in the 80s. In the late 1890s. He was one of
the most powerful people in show business.
And this is why this is one of my most anticipated shows one of
my most gut wrenching shows because it with all just to lay
it all out there. Up until this point of this these stories
coming along. He was one of my favorite people. I mean, like I
said, everyone, I mean favorite people as who he portrayed in my
childhood and growing up, I have not have know who Bill Cosby is
as a person. But the what he projected out, we can't deny
what impact he had not only on black Americans, eight off, but
also just the Americans in that grew up in that time. At
Oh yeah. I mean, well, even before the 80s really. But
right? Oh yeah. Same for me like the Cosby's, I was you watch
that you stayed home you
watch the Cosby's and that's why I don't think people really
understand is the fact that we don't have that now set for
sports, where everybody stops what they're doing to tune into
something in television and that was like a shared consciousness
consciousness like
we had that with Fresh Prince of Bel Air in a similar manner. I
think every pre DVD pre DVR Right, right. Right.
It was like you had to catch you or you know, I mean, we had of
course we had VHS but pre DVR where you could just mash a
button and it would record and right you we were all locked in
that was kind of like what the internet and social media is now
while we experienced something right? Or even the phone call
afterwards. And that was one thing I remember like as soon as
he went off, like the phone will ring you like Did you see that?
And not just necessarily with this show but and
of course with anything and then you know my sisters and be like
get off the phone. I'm expecting a call.
So with all that said, I guess what we need to do is get into
the media. coverage of Bill Cosby being released. Good day
we're
coming back on the air with more breaking news about Bill Cosby.
The comedian was just released from prison after the
Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned the 83 year old
actress sex assault conviction Cosby served more than two years
of a three to 10 year sevens convicted of drugging and
molesting Temple University employee, Andrea constant. NBC
justice correspondent Pete Williams joins us Pete, what can
you tell us about the the legal reasoning that led to this
decision?
Well, the court says the facts are very straightforward that
when the victim initially came forward, the district attorney
decided not to file charges that there were too many problems
with the evidence, and that he publicly made a statement that
he would not pursue these charges, and that he did so in
order to free up the possibility that Cosby could be forced to
testify in a civil trial that she filed against him later. And
that he could not in that civil trial, then invoke his fifth
amendment right against self incrimination. Because he was
told by the district attorney and believed the advice of his
own lawyers, that anything he said in the civil trial could
not be used against him in the criminal trial if the state
tried it again. So he did testify, he did incriminate
himself. He said things that were incriminating in the civil
trial. And then the district the the state of Pennsylvania came
back and charged him with a crime what the Supreme Court
said today is, you can't do that.
Right. And I think the technicality is, is correct, or
the the analysis of it.
And I'm no lawyer, I'm blaming all my law and order, and suits.
No, but that was the understanding man if you sign a
deal, but even in my low legal analysis, is that if you sign a
deal, then the deal can't be wealdstone. Right used against
you. And that's the whole premise behind this. And this is
one of those things that was a real mind. trick for people.
It's like, hold on, we'll,
but it was also because of that of that testimony. He gave that
everything was so shocking. And all of the allegations without
ever really having gone through. The whole proceedings just rang
true.
Yeah, and that's the thing. What did he What did he admit to?
Because you're actually gonna see that was a very slight
sleight of hands, knowing what he actually confessed to. And
what they asked how they use that confession, as a open shut
case to railroad him off to jail.
Well, why is this not not surprised me?
And we can I want people can we get a trigger warning? First of
all, this is a very triggering topic. Sorry about that. I'm not
caught you off guard. But no, no, I the very triggering topic.
I think you're absolutely right. Warning, Warning. Warning,
activated. Now you're going to go back to the reasons why he
was convicted in the first place. And we're going to go
through some of that we must I guess, right?
Well, just not in the details of the case, I believe and just
like most lawyers will believe the case should have never took
place. So I'm not gonna really get into the cases where he did
it. He didn't do it. Right. And that kind of thing I want to get
into why was this allowed to happen? The way they did when
it's clear as day from my law, order, legal degree, yes, I
saw the same thing immediately, like, Oh, this is clearly a
violation
of procedure. Right. So you we everybody was waiting for
somebody to step in. But I Oh, no, you can't do that. But
later, thank you for doing this mo because no one's gonna do
this. This is like, the guy's guilty, done, cut and dry. He's
rich. So we got off on a technicality. Mean, doesn't that
I think is the narrative that people are kind of, there's a
lot more stuff that they got to worry about these days. But I
think if you asked anybody to be kind of that's kind of what
happened with him. And that and they don't care anymore, I'm
sure.
And two things could be true. Right. He could be accused
actually did. I'm not gonna use Word guilty, but he can actually
have done what he's accused of doing. But still not. At that,
by our rules and laws of America. Yes. not been convicted
of it due to I don't think this would be considered double
jeopardy. I think it was the fact that he testified under the
understanding that he wouldn't be it couldn't add a fifth
amendment right. It's coming don't have to incriminate
yourself and going into this show. I'm of the opinion, both
can be true. Right. So that's where I'm at. That's where
we're And I think a lot of people are that now, to what
extent right now because we Okay, let's, I don't want to get
too far into it. But that's that's the layout of the first,
maybe third or the show is just looking at why was this allowed
to happen to him? When it's clear as day If man you wish as
lawyers, we could have got him off. If you know if we're going
by the law.
Well, he is going by the law not going by media because the media
had was just cutting him down. That was just done when we got
the women coming out. The timing was right. It was no Weinstein
stuff in the picture all over the place.
Yes, he was he was carrying God. Sorry about that. From the
future, man, I'm sorry. Not to belabor this point in this clip,
but I just want to point out that he actually was forced, not
forced, but agreed to testify, because he couldn't use the
Fifth Amendment as his protection in a civil trial.
Right. So it's like he got double screwed, because you tell
me they can't be used against me in the criminal trial. So I'll
tell you what I know. In the civil trial, I'm sure he had to
pay out for the civil trial. Yeah, yeah. And then he turned
around and get no.
In the criminal trial.
Right. So that was just a fascinating. And this is where
the, if you want to divide it, not a race line, and even down a
gender line? The races like how black people were like some
black people? Oh, as you're gonna see, but I don't Well, you
can't do that. That's not the that's not justice. But as we
talked about on the show, Justice is not what we think
justice is at all. And then down the gender line, it's like well,
yet again, you have some man, it's a well, even if he did do
it, by the law, he shouldn't be trotting before it. So just just
to lay that out. So I'm glad, just want to get the context of
what we're talking about here. So we can go ahead and get into
the clip. Number three,
you can't do that you made him, you gave him a reason to believe
that he could testify at the civil trial without putting
himself in jeopardy of the criminal prosecution. The
Pennsylvania court said, our sense of fair play and decency,
compels us to believe that the district attorney, the district
attorney had to stand by the decision that was made by a
predecessor in the office not to charge. So that's the reasoning
of the court the outcome, Lester is that he cannot be tried
again, on these charges. That means that the woman at the
center of this case, she can't be the subject of another
criminal prosecution, this one is over. Now, that doesn't mean
that other victims could come forward and the state could
investigate and decide whether or not to pursue criminal
charges based on entirely different facts. But there can't
be a retrial on this case. We know that there are other women
who testified what they thought was similar behavior against
them. There's a statute of limitations issue with that
prevents some of these cases from going forward, potentially,
in the court doesn't explicitly says here that they're not
making any decision about any other potential case or any of
the testimony that was offered in the civil trial. They simply
say that issue isn't before us, and we're not going to answer
it.
This whole thing really stinks. And it kind of passed us by
again, it was like, Well,
okay, because it was perfect. And you'll see how I was
perfect, when it first ramped up was right at the beginning of
the election cycle. 2013 kind of got faded there. And then
through the whole Trump, you know, administration, you know,
everyone's doing other stuff,
right, right. But Trump was a victim of the same thing Bill
Cosby was, and the same thing is, now we're seeing what
deshaun Watson in the football player down in Houston, and even
to the staff of Tiger Woods, and what that is, is when one victim
comes out, there's this floodgate of women that say, Oh,
yeah, Me too, me to meet no pun intended
that well, at the time. It was literally me to Harvey
Weinstein. I mean, there was a lot of me to going on.
Right. But what I'm saying is this feeds into see now we got
this is why we do this. Because whenever you see a black man
accused of some kind of sexual assault in this manner. Now,
that level, let me be clear of that level of celebrity is
always a floodgate to follow it. And as I said, with john Watson,
I think he's up to 2030 women. Oh, I see. I see job experience
the bottom right, and I see what you're saying the flip
the floodgate is more not more men being accused, but that that
man being accused by more women,
right and like we saw with Trump and that experience the bottom
right it was excuse me, 45 savage cuz I want Trigger
anybody, but it was another Yeah, no. Yeah.
Yeah, it's like 20 or something. Yeah.
Right. And he knows a Crim. I mean, well, criminal or civil or
I was saying,
dude, before, you know, he was just president and was already
golden shower with the Russian hookers. I mean, yeah, there was
a lot, a lot of accusations.
Right. So this dissent, but at the same time, he wasn't hauled
off to jail like Bill Cosby was not when I say trumped up
charge. Oh, the fifth. His protections of his fifth
amendment right. were violated and nobody stepped up to say
Bill
Cosby actually got arrested
right around the ranch the perp walk. And we see we see how this
stuff normally works. Normally is worse than somebody who's
caliber. The Lauria picks up the phone a bill is gonna come
through the back door 5pm you know, I mean, we're gonna get
this done. We you see the perp walks in and I want to lay it
out and juxtapose it to when you see people like, what's the
guy's name that Trump's got? got arrested for? Me got arrested
for Trump. Manafort. Roger stones, it's like six in the
morning poem kicking down the door right on the Mount
innocent. When you see that that is a media spectacle. Yes, what
was done to Beal right. And I want I want to make this last
point is with Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods did nothing illegal? No.
He just had an
affair.
Well, what same thing? It was 1820 2730 women, Kamala Yeah, it
was Tiger Woods, Tiger Woods, girlfriend. So when you see
these things, this plays on the I just want
to say just as the guy now moving up on 57 years. I know a
lot of men, celebrities, who have indeed have a lot of sexual
relations with a lot of women. Correct? Do I'm not saying that
that didn't happen.
I know what I'm saying the way it was covered. They were saying
like, it's like, they do this thing. You see it in the media
where the front page is like pitcher, a pitcher like blocking
the block of the block percent of women. And it's like, you
know, this is his hitless. But this plays into the narrative
that specifically black men are sexual predators, and which
plays into the history of lynching and all the other stuff
that comes with it. So don't let that be lost on you. I hear you
when this is saying it's like What the hell's going on here?
Hear me like, you don't see Les Moonves or none of these people
walked in and treated in the manner that Bill Cosby is and we
still saying that two things can be true at the same time. So now
we're going to go over to
Harvey Weinstein did get perp walked
Of course he was given up. always talk about sorrows right.
versus not pulling all the strings in the New World Order.
Right. He's somebody got to draw the short straw. I think the
same thing with Matt made off right. made off ran all this by
myself. Come on. I mean, I think they sit in the room, either.
It's like, Okay, you got to take this case. Sorry, Bernie.
Bright, you know, saying you got to take this case in my is like,
where my kids gonna be alright. Yeah. grandkids. Yeah, yeah,
they're good. All right, I'll take it. Or is cool. Can we put
up on the altar to be sacrifice? I don't know which which case it
is. But I just think these people are representative of a
problem that they try to present is being taken care of?
Well, on that same with all organized crime, I guess.
Of course, yeah, we may. We may call the cases in the wire.
Exactly. I was thinking I didn't
want to say it. But yeah, ever since I've seen the wire now. I
get it. Gotcha. Got him. We got him. Folks. We are all the way.
So let's get into now we're gonna go to CBS This Morning
with Gail and she's speaking to glory are rich.
We're joined now by Janice Baker Kenny, who took the stand as a
witness in Bill Cosby's 2018 trial. she testified that she
was sexually assaulted by the actor in the 80s. And her lawyer
Gloria. All right, who represents dozens of women
accused who have accused Bill Cosby of assault. Good morning
to you both. Janice, I want to start with you. Because last
night it was reported that you were processing this this latest
turn of events. What's your reaction today? And how are you
feeling?
Well, good morning, Gail. I'm still processing everything
that's going on. I just need to remember now. It's almost like a
mantra for me that he was released on a legal technicality
and not because he's innocent. He is not innocent. He'll never
be innocent, and I need to hold on to that.
So what Would justice look like to you now? Because he is
claiming that he is innocent. He's claiming claiming that
justice has been served.
He's going to always claim he was innocent that that story, he
has never changed. But the 60 plus women that have come
forward, we all know the truth. So his legacy is will never be
what it used to be. So a little bit of justice served there. He
just served two years, a little bit of justice in the fact that
he is a disgraced former America's dad. I can live with
that.
Wow. Yeah. That was, that was unnecessary roughness on the
play.
If you want to take down the patriarchy,
you might as well do it that way. I'm just bringing down
America's dad. Now America's
Dad, this is all about it does have a tinge of race to it, just
because of who was the victims or alleged victims, and who was
the perpetrator? But I think this was a design hit on the
patriarchy itself, being she's not America's black dad. Right.
Now, Bill Cosby was America's dad, if you had any family,
especially in the black community, you know, the father
was intact, and they were productive. I would like the
Cosby's, that was a literal statement. Because I'm one of
those cases. No, my family was calling like, oh, you're like
the Cosby's. Seriously? Well, I
think I think in my family, we probably certainly to my dad's
why can she be more like Mr. Huxtable? If you want to take
down the patriarchy. You got to come at the top. That's
interesting. And even in this she said that he has not
admitted anything. Something like that. He'll always say he's
not he's always say he's innocent. I, again, I'm glad
you're doing this because I really have no other knowledge
other than he admitted to something really crappy that he
did. And that's why he went in, and it's for the, for all the
technicalities, why he's getting out, but that at some point, he
did admit to something really bad.
And that's the point right there is what do you hear? I meant to
the fact that you can't tell me right offhand. And you are a
media deconstructionist sandbox, right? Yep. It was never
discussed what he meant to is this, he admitted to it. You
know, it's like he, you know, what do you admit to he admitted
to it? And if he admitted to it, and he has to be guilty? It is,
but it's like, what did he admit to? And we're gonna get to that,
but I just want to get this is to means he's gonna go the one
that thing that he admitted to it, they're just gonna roll it
that they never pull out the transcripts. And if there aren't
class stuff in there, that says, I know did everything you were
accusing me of him? You know, just but I'm gonna say an
uncivil trout, to protect myself from legal
ramifications.
We have room for legal ramifications, then I'll admit
to it right. But he never said that. Oh, mainstream media never
said that. And they never wrote out the transcripts and show
them exactly a minute to it's just that he admitted to it. You
know, but what? And then the other thing is that, um, legal
technicality, legal technicalities, right, right.
Well, if you should never been on trial, is that a
technicality? You mean like, actually, you know, but they're
gonna run this meet these two means into the ground. So I just
want to make people aware. Like I say, I know this may be
triggering for some people. But But the reason why we do this is
because there's a deeper story there. And there's many
characters more than being missed the glory alread. So
let's hear from her and clip number five.
Korea to Anthony, in your view, is this decision is a setback to
the metoo movement. Now, Anthony, I
don't think it is at all, there are many women who continue to
come forward. Many persons who allege that they are victims,
for example of our Kelly, of Harvey Weinstein in Los Angeles,
have many other figures and they women are now empowered in the
way they never were before. Janice was very brave when she
testified. I'm so proud of her. And it is, you know, a shock.
But it's also very clear that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court
did not make a decision that Mr. Cosby did not do what he was
accused of doing. It was based on a legal technicality on
issues of due process. And it was not based on the merits and
the evidence as to whether he did it or not actually to the
contrary. The court talked about the statements that Mr. Cosby
made in the deposition in the civil lawsuit brought by Andrea
constant and called those statements incriminating.
Gloria, you represent an accuser in California who's filed a
civil case against Bill Cosby. Does this decision affect that
case? In any way?
We're gonna find that out. Laura otter, it's very fascinating
character here. No, yeah. She represents 33 of the Bill Cosby
accusers course. Now all read. Now I'm not gonna go here. It
was perfect for the theorem, theorem, theorem theorem, but
it's gonna get there. I'm red on red. They see the Red Queen, Red
Queen. Yeah, as in the game of chess, or I mean, it's the Red
Queen is able to move swiftly and effortlessly. And then the
other thing about that is she's viewed as an antagonist in the
story. And she's the queen for the side opposing Alice. See?
I'm throwing it in for you now. I appreciate that.
I like it. I mean, I, I have really come around to the to the
witchcraft and the spells of the world Mo, I mean, right down to
the Pfizer name change on the on the vaccine, like, these are all
spells.
The reason why I say Is she the Red Queen, because she really
working to take these powerful men down? Or is she just a
person in the role to play in a certain role is that she's
actually um, portraying just portraying a role. She's,
she's a hired gun, she'll do whatever one way.
In what way? Do you mean that? It just came out of curiosity,
curiosity.
This Well, this is what she does. She represents almost
class action level suits of women against men. I mean, this
is what I've seen her do throughout her career.
Certain mean, pain. Are you aware who our daughter is?
Yes, yes. Also a lawyer. I forget. I mean, the balloon?
Yeah. Yeah.
She's an American attorney. Yeah. No, for advising Harvey
Weinstein. St. Stephen. Yes. sexual abuse allegations. Now,
how is it? How is it that you're for women's rights? And me to,
and your daughter's over here? She's also does the same similar
kind of work. But when Harvey Weinstein needs to be advised,
they work to advise them?
Yeah, no, this is this was very controversial at the time.
Yeah, I'm just throwing it out there. I mean, just like, Who
are these people? And what roles are they playing? And I just
find it out that you might say all red, all red. I mean, that's
her name. She actually plays into that with her attire. She's
always wearing red. That's correct.
That's which is very power power move to have a suit like that. I
mean, in general, I would say if all red or bloom come your way,
you know, you need to leave. You just need to get out of the way.
If you see those common leave. I've always felt that way. But
so and then my other question
is, did they bring in it's just just a wildcard question. Did
they let Bill Cosby out so they can run him through the meal?
Again, I'm civil trials, before he passes away, when he dies,
his his catalogue is gonna go up in value. It's like, do we milk
them now while he's still living? But we can't do that
while he's in jail?
Well, I mean, there's also a personal fame and fortune thing
for already in bloom, as for a lot of people, so there could be
many, many motivating factors. For them doing this. And from
the legal standpoint, I can't really say But yeah, it's
totally seems possible, they would do that
extra business extra. Yeah, sure. But from a from, from a
business standpoint, and this was this was fascinating. I was
really excited about doing a show with you, because you could
tell me about the entertainment side. Yeah. Well, is it true
when a person dies? their catalog goes up in value,
correct? in
general? Yeah. In general, but I mean, the catalog, it kind of
depends on what you're saying is the catalog. I mean, that would
be a boost. But first of all, you know, Cosby stuff was taken
off the air when this happened when all this came down. I mean,
he was you know, a version of mainstream D platforming. And I
think the took The Cosby Show off some of the older TV
networks, but will it go up? Yeah, I mean, yeah, but yes, I
mean answer Yes. It basically content we already paid for 40
years 30 years ago will be valuable again,
and I feel okay, watch it not me. But as a just a typical
black person. You're saying I'll put that in huge air quotes. Um,
I feel okay. Well, Washington Yeah, cuz bill got off. Because
I put me back on TV. He
got off. He was railroaded. Well, you you got some I'm not
ready for that conclusion yet. You got it, we got some more
convincing to do on what we're
saying is just if I'm just paying attention to the media
cycle. Oh, no, but they didn't do that. No, it See, I'm gonna
I'm the point I'm making is that it could be both ways on both
sides. If I am a person that is a Bill Cosby fan, and I want to
watch The Cosby Show, I feel good about Washington again,
because he was let off. Right? He didn't do it. He didn't do I
mean in my in our fans mind. So they feel okay with watching the
show again.
Yeah, but did the fans here he didn't do what are the fans
here? He did it. But he got off on the technicality.
The same way some people are saying he will always be guilty.
Yeah, he only got off on a technicality. The other side
would be that he got he beat the system. Mm hmm. So I'm just
coming to tell and we saw this with the oj case, you know, that
kind of thing. That it's like, okay, he beat the system. That's
when you know, we can go back to Washington and feel good about
watching him. And maybe the powers that be is like, Hey, we
are product here. We can get it while he's still living. He's
fighting all these cases, he might sell pennies on the
dollar. I'm just throwing out as a as a as a possible reason why
he was led out, you know, just pure speculation, but it made no
sense for him to be late, when the timing
of it was very weird.
Very weird. And you hear what Gloria alreay she's talking
about other cases, she has pending civil on to civil court.
And another thing she did to lean back to that, um, that
predatorial blackmailed trope is invoke our caddy Kelly
immediately. Now you got all these others. And another
one I forgot about. Yeah, our Kelly. Sure.
And you notice, bill gets out. Our Kelly trial ramps up? Yes,
that's true. So I'm just telling you how it's perceived. See, I
mean, it's kind of I can perceive it how some black
people and like I said, some men's rights people. Have you
want to slice it, Kate can look at Black, you know, what, they
railroad it view. We're going to take him up as a hero, you know,
so and that was kind of the thing was, but when he was
released, like now
just say that, okay, gotcha. But let's just take our Kelly's an
example. Only for me. And I think for most, but you say are
Kelly's like, oh, there's a black man Who did that? It's
like, no, here's a creepy entertainer, guy who did that,
too. I understand the perception from from. If you're talking
about yourself, I completely understand the perception. Boy,
I that's not how I was thinking at all. In fact, of course, I
also don't think that way about Bill Cosby. You know, it's like,
it's not none of that was racial in my mind until you came along.
I'm sorry. It wasn't racial until you
made it that way. Okay. This is why these stories are so great
to be used by the media, because it can mean different things to
different people, it may take away, whatever that you're
saying, however, they're invested in the story, right? A
older man might say a younger man, but I see told you women
rights and feminists, you know, they hate me, and it can be
taken any way. And then it's amazing that Black Lives Matter
didn't come to build the fence. Yeah. I'm just telling you that
these are why these stories is this, I believe, is because they
can get you engaged in it emotionally and when you're
engaged emotionally, because it makes it more easy for the spell
to be acted on. So that matches my this is my two cents. Yeah.
Oh, what you said America's dad, then all of a sudden, yeah, that
part started. And that and totally from a patriarchy
standpoint. Gotcha.
All right, totally. So I guess we can go and wrap up with the
final our rich clip.
Does this decision affect the VAT case in any way?
It does, actually, because now that he is a free man. And now
that he cannot be retried, he cannot claim or invoke his fifth
amendment privilege against incrimination and declined to
testify in our civil lawsuit which alleges that our client
duty hot was victimized was a victim of child sexual abuse by
Mr. Cosby at the Playboy Mansion. We have an order
compelling him to sit for a second deposition first is
underseal. In this second deposition, which we intend to
take prior to trial, we intend to ask him many many questions
under oath he is going to be compelled to answer them because
he can't invoke his fifth amendment. privilege against
self incrimination.
Hey, Janice, it's Tony to COBOL. It takes a toll on a person to
come forward in a case like this, it takes a toll on a
person to testify at trial. I'm curious, knowing what you know
now about the outcome, would you still go back and take the
stand? And what would you say to other women who may be
hesitating in different cases right now?
Well, I would go back in a New York minute. And it's because of
the support of all the survivor sisters. We're this loving group
that will reach out to anyone to help them come forward, like
many of us get the survivor sisters,
survivor sisters, like 60 of them, they get together and they
have little, which we have meanings. And and if they're
actually survivors, maybe it's a coping mechanism for them. But I
just find it convenient that Maria has all these charges me
all these criminal civil cases lined up, and she said he cannot
use this tip amendment to protect him he has to testify.
And we have an old aging for our eyes. No, it seems kind of like
frail and feeble. I mean, I don't use I don't use those
disrespectfully, but get them on that stand. Or allude to
whatever he made it to in the cases. In the previous case, he
has to be guilty he has but you guys saw my current 1000 200,500
you're saying he's like, training him?
Oh, you already paid 3 million. I think the first the first she
got more lined up. And she just said hey,
the thing you rang the bell? Now this Playboy Club allegation for
the Playboy Mansion. Do you know what year this is from? Will
we'll get into that? I just wanted to say cuz I've seen some
old playboy TV shows with Cosby. We'll get into that too. Well,
because it's like he was a player man. He was a player. The
whole show like, it's just like, super, like sophisticated, but
sexy and shit. And you know, I've never been to the Playboy
Mansion. I know plenty of people have their sex going on there.
In their grotto everywhere. I
mean, come on America's warehouse. Let's just call it
what I mean. Pretty much that's exactly what it is. Because you
know when you go there, it's like everything's prepaid
though.
Yeah, that's not exactly true because they're special. You
have two boys special playboy coins. And you know and so you
can pay for stuff with that. I'm reliable. Like Bitcoin.
Hello, America's whorehouse. And we're going to get into the
we're going there. We're going on. And I wasn't going to do
this show if I couldn't go all the way there. But the Playboy
Mansion plays white money's the Red Queen. Oh, yeah, we going
all the way there. So bring it bring it Allison to Wonderland.
We're going down the rabbit hole because I would I went down a
serious one with this with the show. So now we're gonna go over
to the prosecutor that took Bill Cosby down and that is one Miss
Christine Gibbons of fending. So she's on msnbc. So let's go and
get to that clip.
It's a lot to take in this morning, disgraced actor and
comedian Bill Cosby.
I was gonna say one thing, this is when case first broke. So
we're going back in time, all right, okay. Okay. I just gotta
I gotta make that clear. So we're going back as to when this
case started picking up steam back in 2015 2014. Okay, I don't
know. Excuse me. This is when he was convicted of the case. This
is not the beginning. But this is like the middle where he was
actually convicted.
Okay, give us a little sound. We know we're going back in time.
It's a lot to take in this morning disgrace actor and
comedian Bill Cosby is waking up in jail A day after being
sentenced to three to 10 years in a Pennsylvania prison. months
after he was convicted of drugging and sexually assaulting
Andrea constant back in 2000. For the 81 year old led away in
handcuffs after a judge ruled he's a sexually violent
predator. Kristen Givens fed up with the prosecutor in the case.
She joins me now. Kristen, you are the one who went to Andrea
constant three years ago. Has justice been served? Did you
think this day would happen when you started working on all of
this, especially given what a superstar an icon Bill Cosby
was? It's interesting that you asked that question. When we
decided to charge Bill Cosby and when I spoke with Adrienne met
her and saw how steadfast she was how brave how courageous she
was. I knew that regardless of the result, Justice would be
served, her message would be set forth her story would be told,
and she would be able to confront Bill Cosby as a
sexually pret as a sexual predator that he was when he
sexually assaulted and drugged her that night. Did the me to
movement have an impact on this trial? Well, during the voir
dire process, all of the jurors were asked if they could remain
fair and impartial and put anything that they may have
heard about the me to movement to the side, and I do believe
that they were able to do that. But in terms of the support and
the advocacy that she that she received under constant received
in the public's eye, I think it had definitely a significant
impact in that regard. Mm hmm.
Bullshit, excuse my language. How can any man at that time get
a fair trial with the whole me two, whirlwind swirling? It's
not happening? So that was a very disingenuous question. And
another thing is now I'll turn it over to you, Krista. I'm
excuse me, Stephanie ruhle asked her saying she said, you
approach the victim, you went to the victim. So it's not like the
victim came out of that, you know, out of the Woodworks and
was like, Oh, I want justice. She already got her justice with
the civil case. And how does this Stephanie or excuse me,
Christine Gibbons tenon who is a black woman, allegedly? I'm just
saying appears to be I don't know, she's a das or not. But
she she's appears to be a black woman. How do you not know about
his fifth, Fifth Amendment rights and how they're being
violated? I mean, this this is what this is, what perplexes a
lot of people, and it's not like you're making me defend bill, I
don't want to defend bill, you know, cuz if he did what he said
accused of, there's no defense of that. But at the same time,
it's like, hold on, where you can't violate people's rights to
get them. Um, because if that were, if justice breaks down,
and we have no shot at all,
what you're doing here is something very difficult. I
mean, you are a black man defending a black man or
something he was convicted if narratively convicted of Ben and
led off on a technicality.
Which he shouldn't ever been on trial in the first
place. And this is part of the defense that is that, you know,
people cannot process what you're saying when you say that,
but they haven't. I'm gonna say this. On the flip side of that
coin, we've seen certain white man why society says hands off,
you can't have him out, I don't care what he said what he did.
And we saw this was 45 Savage. People didn't care what he did,
what he was accused of is like he that's our guy, you know,
saying like, no matter what, but I'll just go back to Bill no
matter what Bill did this next sum total. He's good for our
society. And if he did do it, let us handle okay.
So there's a little extra piece of that from the narrative. And
I'm only speaking from the narrative that I've that I've
caught and followed, you know, in the past 20 years, and part
of that narrative was Bill Cosby is wagging his finger at
everybody telling everybody what to do. Now, this could have also
been completely narrative driven. I have some personal
experiences where, you know, he definitely is an arrogant,
arrogant guy. And he's an asshole. Excuse my language. I
mean, I have the proof. I mean, you've heard the you've heard
the Chris, know that Eddie Murphy story when Bill Cosby
bitched him out and all this crazy stuff. So we've heard all
that. That's completely tainted and part of the human nature,
certainly when it comes to celebrity, is, you know,
celebrities are, it's like the blue checkmark, you know, it's
like, Hey, we're just waiting for someone to mess up. And you
know, there's a lot of reasons to hate Bill Cosby. Now there's
a lot of reasons to love Bill Cosby. But over the years the
past 20 years I think it really culminated with the pull your
pants up, although I agree with it. I liked that. They pull the
pants up, son Shut up. That that was priming priming. Oh, yeah, I
was primer for what happened for the for the response where
people have told of course, that guy did that a douche. So yeah,
and that's, I think it's a human response.
But I'll say this is many and this is a loosely based
comparison. But we've seen where guys have been victim of
shootings, cop shootings, that have a rap sheet, and Black
Lives Matter still does mental gymnastics to make a case for
these people. to why they need to be held as heroes and be
protected. So it's like,
oh, yeah, like Black Lives Matter was nowhere to be found
on this. That's my
point. It's not No, I'm not looking for white society to
protect you. But it's black. But you hit on a very important
point that he made himself no friends. And it makes it easy
for him to be protected, right. But nonetheless, my thing with
this case is if we can violate one person's rights, especially
of that size on both sides, how can she with good heart? I'm
sure there's something similar to the Hippocratic oath.
No, stop. No, there's no such thing. No, there is no there is
no such thing. The only thing I can say is Red Queen have black
heart, listening, that's for
sure. I know there's a producer out there. It has to be
somewhere that you have to act in good faith know, when dealing
with crap. Don't you like when you had to recuse yourself and
all of that? I mean, isn't that part of it? Like, Hey, I know
it's wrong. I know. It's my brother in law. My brother in
law's business I can't participate
as a conflict of interest. But
okay, I just want to lay that out. Because this is I'm going
off my once again, my law order pure suits. Legal legal.
By the way, my my first response with Cosby, but to response, my
first response was, Oh, well, he got screwed. So yeah, he
deserves to get let off, you know, that wild eyed that's rare
that this kind of happens at that level. And my second
response is, when is this going to happen? Next Derek Chauvin? I
mean, who is this gonna have this, you know, these
technicalities? This that's pretty sloppy. And this so this
could happen with all kinds of high profile cases, or you can
get railroaded that way too, obviously.
Right. And that's, that's what when we speak at justice, we're
talking about fairness, not this moral. Well, morally, we're
going to do the right thing, even though it goes against them
saying what loss is now we can't have that even though even this
case, he came back said two things can be true, but we can't
let that kind of long legal Miss character. miscarriage of
justice is what I like to say happen, because it happened to
him picking up and I have actually happened to anybody for
anything. So next will be the statute of limitations go away.
We've seen NDA is basically become nothing. I mean, with
adults total disintegration of the legal system, which hasn't
been favorable to people on my side in the first place was
like, come on. I mean, like he can't do beer like this. And
I'll say this once again. At some point and it's a question
it's not a statement. Can a group stand up me like you can't
have him? We know about Elvis Elvis Presley. We know about.
You're saying him having a young wife. You're not getting that
was Presley? I don't care what Well, I don't care what you say.
Sir. segments of society is not gonna let me personally be
counseled. And there's other ones out there. And even when I
go back to our Kelly, it's not about the people. It's about the
money because they'll put all our Kelly songs off the radio,
but they'll let Aaliyah songs play with our Kelly. Mm hmm. How
does that makes it make that make sense? It's like, Oh, no, I
thought we were taking our kids. Well, we're no no, that will
affect our lives state. Yeah. Now, what I'm doing is painting
the picture, while you talk to somebody, you can see the
frustration or the are the why this What happened?
Well, so thinking about that music and music catalog is
definitely more valuable cam is it is easy to get value from
because people all sudden want to listen to songs. Although
that's still not what it used to be. With TV shows, it's very,
very different. I think the money if we're going after
money, in this case, or partially, that's Cosby himself.
He has he has a lot of money, like hundreds and hundreds of
millions of dollars.
Now he's super paid. And but the other thing is, is with the
content, when you have
he maybe he's probably a billionaire, by the way, he's
probably a billionaire.
I believe that. But when you see when you see content focused
platforms like Netflix or whatever, fill in the blank
Amazon case show has to be worth a lot of money, because it's
something that you can cut on and then a mindlessly play in
the background. Which that's all the Content platforms care about
right? Like office, office, oh, you're not even really watching
it. But its own right. So I'm not saying now but I think just
as a business, looking at what a businessman, they can either
say, guy, let's go buy this coffee thing for pennies on the
dollar and just sit on it. He'll come back around, you know,
people forget what it means now He's never done nothing. I mean,
you look at this case 20 years from now it's like, oh, yeah, he
was convicted, but he got off. And that will be the footnote.
So,
right, well, just so you know, over over the years, The Cosby
Show was test generated, probably close to $5 billion.
Our movies come on back to back to back to back, every
afternoon, three or four shows, and you will sit down and watch
it Martin's the same way certain certain shows and not community,
quote, unquote, community. Um, that is just, you can sit down
and watch it over and over again. And it's because I
remember where I was at when I saw that. I remember that as a
kid, you know, that kind of thing. That's why Elvis would
never be counseled. Because people I remember when I was in
the backseat with Johnny, you're saying although in the Bluff, he
was saying you can't take that away from my childhood or my
teenage years. I mean, excuse me, it's all about that. I mean,
I'm not like, we don't care about Bill Cosby Be honest. We
don't care about Bill Cosby, the person. We don't care about
Elvis, the person we were invested in them, and what their
impact on our childhood memories are. That's the only reason we
care about these people. True. So I mean, mini rant. But
fascinating timeline. Let's Let's listen to when Bill was
convicted.
I say this because I know it's a completely different situation.
But here we are with with the Supreme Court Justice nominee
Brett Kavanaugh, he has accusers, and our own president
is repeating these narratives of I don't know where people drunk
It was a long time ago, where were her loving parents, which
is the opposite of what me too is trying to do. Absolutely. I
think
the me to movement is dynamic. And even though there are going
to be some people who are going to continue to assassinate the
character of these sexually these sexual assault victims.
were some people some of the most powerful people in the
world. Absolutely. And that's going to remain. But you know
what? Now, these survivors have community and they have support.
And with the conviction of Bill Cosby, they now know that
justice can be served, that justice can prevail.
And again, I know they're very different situations. But
tomorrow when Brett Kavanaugh was accused or Dr. Christine
blasey, Ford is going to be questioned. They're now bringing
in a sex crime specialist. A woman who has decades of
experience is due process taking place here seeing that it is
just Christine Ford, and it is just Brett Kavanaugh. We're not
subpoena in Mark judge. There is no FBI investigation. Can she
actually do her job here?
You know, due process is the opportunity to be heard. And I
admired Dr. Ford given this constrained process coming
forward under these constraints being scrutinized in the public
eye and also in the in the in the in for the Judiciary
Committee, excuse me. Can due process occur under these
settings? It's gonna remain to be seen.
It's kind of fun to do this after the fact because I'd
completely forgotten how that intersected with the Brett
Kavanaugh supreme court hearing timeline.
Yeah, Bill. Bill just happens to be convicted right when
Kavanagh's day before when Blasi Ford is posed to testify, which
I'll say as a side note, if I ever seen anybody that could
possibly be MK Archer victim,
it was classy for
this little child for us. I mean, I'm just saying so yeah.
He gets taken down when when the 20 2016 election is ramping up
to get convicted. Right when you know right when a Kavanaugh goes
on trial, and Cavanaugh is another one that has brought
people out of his past and like, oh, let's just lay it all out
there right now. But you see how people rallied around him to
protect him. That was that for
me. You better be bringing clarence thomas into this thing
pretty soon. Got me some long john silver bet on it.
shot and that's another show for another day. Similar in the same
case, yeah. And one of the things that one of the sad
stories I want to point out is, it's amazing how when the Boulay
turn it back on, you know, protection. Bills handed out a
lot of those bills you talked about. And nobody came to his
defense, nobody.
Which could also be just because everyone thought it was an
incredible deck. Like, yeah, yeah,
yeah. And steel is certain in certain cultures, you certain
people that you can't take, if you gave me a list to say okay,
goes on that list of untouchable, random black
community prior to this. It will be like Oprah Obama, Bill Cosby.
You see what I'm saying? Yeah. You got a beard and get nobody
come out firm that was very blaring to me. That was like,
wow, this. This is orchestrated in some kind of way where nobody
took up for him, but also,
for some people who took it up for him. Who was someone who
worked with him
mostly as well, we will get out here. There's one person that
took up and we'll get there. Okay. Okay, so now we're gonna
hop on over to CNN, and this is a Ilan told me hold Nick. He's a
legal analyst, and he's gonna slam bill copies, bills Cosby's
prosecutors,
Bill Cosby has not been exonerated. Nobody has said he
didn't do it. Nobody has said he is innocent. The people to
blame. Here are the prosecutors. And there's two aspects to that.
First of all, Bruce Castor, the district attorney who made this
deal back in 2004 2005, where he essentially said, I don't
believe we have enough evidence to prosecute him criminally.
that enabled Bill Cosby forced Bill Cosby to testify in his
criminal deposition. That's why that's the deal that Bruce
Castro made. Can he be faulted for that? Absolutely. He bears
blame for that. And then Part two is that future prosecutors
came along after Bruce Castor, and they said, we're not playing
by that deal. We're not observing that deal. And that's
what the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said is the legal problem
here. They said, once Bruce Castor made that deal, we're not
going to prosecute you like it or not good deal or bad deal.
Future prosecutors that came after him were bound by that.
And when they went back on that deal, and tried him, that's what
they say violated Bill Cosby's rights. That's what this
decision was about.
And more. I mean, as Brad was just pointing out, you know,
he's never Bill Cosby has never admitted guilt. He's always
maintained his innocence. However, in the deposition in
2005, when he thought that this was a civil case that he was
never going to be prosecuted. He did admit what he did. So all of
these accusers I mean, the vast majority say that he drugged
them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their
will. And in that deposition, the question from Andrew
constanze, one of the accusers from her attorney, was when you
got the Queen lubes. Was it in your mind that you were going to
use these Quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have
sex with Bill Cosby replies, yes. Okay, you see, the trick
made me there. But you first need you first of all,
it was it was it was a deposition in cases from 2005.
Right, which was was something completely I mean, the way I
think, of course, I didn't look into it. I was like, Oh, hey,
this maybe six months ago, they got a deposition deposition or
something. And Queloz? I mean, I don't know. And what did what
did they do there that you that you thought was?
Because they said, first of all, they said Bill Cosby has not
admitted to anything? Yes. They said that, right? Yes, he has
admitted to anything but
but there was something quite loose that whipsaw what you call
me. Yeah, definitely asked a question. But it wasn't.
Right. So did they say did you give the women quite lose and to
have sex? We may we need to go back? Let's see. I was gonna say
let's, let's talk about what we heard first, and then we'll go
back Listen, what we actually heard. Um, basically, they she
says that he didn't admit to anything, but in the deposition,
he did admit to give him women quite lewd, that he planned to
have sex with it's not the same thing as drugging pee. Correct.
And then, in the middle of that, women said, Hi, let
me let me hear this.
But Castro's successor used Cosby's testimony as a key piece
of evidence. More than a decade later, Bill Cosby was convicted
of drugging and sexually assaulting constant serving I'm
sorry, this is wrong, but I'm sorry, my mistakes. Here we go.
This is the one I want to pick it up here. But these rights,
that's what this decision was about.
I mean, as Britain was just pointing out, you know, he's
never Bill Cosby has never admitted guilt. He's always
maintained his innocence. However, in the deposition in
2005, when he thought that this was a civil case that he was
never going to be prosecuted. He did admit what he did. So all of
these accusers I mean, the vast majority say that he drugged
them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their will
and in that deposition, the question from Andrew cost. Yeah,
I hear you. Sandwich that Say that he drugged them unknowingly
and then had sex with them against their will. And in that
deposition, the question from Andrew constanze, one of the
accusers from her attorney, was when you got the quail lubes.
Was it in your mind that you were going to use these
Quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with?
Bill Cosby replies, yes. Yeah, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's why they kept saying he admitted to what he did, he
admitted to what he did, he admitted, he admitted to and I
said, I'm not absolving them anything of any action. I'm just
saying how the media cover this, with these tricks, if you if you
have a slam dunk, testimony, play it. But she did this whole
wind up of he didn't admit anything. And in a deposition,
he was asked, and then women accused him of this. And then he
goes back to the deposition to say, when you he was asked, were
you planning to give the coin to women? You're gonna have sex
where he said, Yes. So anything ever like hey, you know, here's
the thing. Here's the actual transcript. Okay. You test
question, you testified that he knew you were not going to take
them. And I'd like to explain your answer. How did he know or
why do you say he knew? Answer? What was happening at the time
was that that was quite ludes happened to be the drug that
kids young people were using to party with. And there were times
when I wanted to have them just in case. Mr. Colby says he never
took the qualys. And this is now narration, Mr. Colby says he
never took the quails himself because they made him sleepy
because he was using them in his efforts to have sex with women.
He also says that with the exception of one glass of beer,
he stopped drinking alcohol when he was 16. question, why didn't
you ever take the Caleb's answer because I use them q for what? A
the same as a person would say they have a drink. So it's not
even. He says that he was, you know, the way I'm reading it
cursory here is that it's like, oh, you know, you want to talk
off of this joint. You want to quit lewd, you know, you want to
drink and get in the mood. That's kind of the way he was.
That's it just reading through as quickly as it seems like
that's what he admitted to.
Right. And now all I'm doing is just deposed in that to the way
they put the narrative. under oath. He said, Yeah, I crushed
him up and put them into that drink
now. Now that's Allison Camerata, I believe. Allison
Camerata
know what I'm saying is that they make it seem like that's
what he admitted to, in his own words that he's
drugging women. I understand what you're saying, right?
Amazon, but Allison Camerata who said that, on that clip from
CNN, she has a story behind her too. Was she not? Yes. She. She
accused Fox of sexual harassment against her before she left for
CNN.
That makes it convenient to have a big fish taking down like
Cosby, when all that when all these other cases are pending.
And I don't want to belabor this point too long, but I just want
to make one other
point she's, you know, she's she's all on board with
invested. Yeah, she's invested. That's a good way to put it.
Yes, she's invested.
So Isla Hoenig said that he called out bill caster, I think
his name that the prosecutor made the deal. And then he said
the future prosecutors never naming. Miss Christine Gibbons
fixating. That was the one who actually went and sought out the
victim. Notice he never named dropped her. Right? He just said
the future prosecutor. So it's like how long wait, wait a
minute. If we're calling out names, it's called everybody's
names. But he didn't do that. I just found that as a was a
interesting admission. So now what we're going to do is we're
going to actually listen to Bill Cosby himself speak. And this is
where he's fresh out of prison on release.
Judy Cosby telling ABCs Lindsey Davis on the phone after his
release that his conviction did not match the truth. Tonight,
his accuser is also reacting to the news. He is no longer in
prison. And nobody
had the sense to say wait one second. This doesn't match up
with the truth. This is not what I was taught. In college. This
is not what I was taught. Etc, etc.
Tonight, Bill Cosby talking to ABC News, just hours after
becoming a free man, his 2018 sex assault conviction
overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court after an appeal
justices ruling he should not have been prosecuted because of
a deal with former DEA Bruce Castor that he would not be
charged if he agreed to testify in a 2005 civil suit brought by
accuser Andrea constanze. Today's ruling stated that in
accordance with the advice of his attorneys, Cosby relied on
castors public announcement he would not be prosecuted, but
Castro's successor used Cosby's testimony as a key piece of
evidence. More than a decade later, Bill Cosby was convicted
of drugging and sexually assaulting constant, serving two
of his three to 10 year sentence. Before his release
today, dozens of other women accused Cosby of drugging and
sexually assaulting them. today's news leaving many of his
accusers stunned and angry. Today Cosby's longtime co star
Felicia Rashad tweeted support saying quote, a miscarriage of
justice is corrected. She followed that up with another
tweet saying she supports survivors of sexual assault and
did not attend to be insensitive to quote their truth, Judy?
Oh, you know what happened there?
Felicia gotta gotta fix that baby. Mess how it works. You
release one tweet. And it's like the phone rings and
I Felicia, this is blatant calling and we'd like to save it
oh what's your statement is doesn't jibe where we're what
we're trying to do over here so we need you to go on social
media and of course that
doesn't comport with the program here Felicia
bright en que en que correct sir statement and this is not the
first time for sure. Rashad go Cosby's TV why finally speaking
out.
This is more women continue to come forward and protesters are
threatening to disrupt three comedy conference in Canada
starting tonight. Now there's Mrs. Huxtable going on the
record.
Yeah, tonight's top story more cosmic crash and burn will his
TV wife stand by her man? You were on the set with him for
more than a decade working very closely with him. At no time.
Did you ever see anything inappropriate?
What I saw was fun. Never anything inappropriate. What I
saw was work and play at work and fun. Mrs. Cosby was a
frequent visitor to the studio. She was there a lot. That's what
I saw.
Felicia Rashad Bill Cosby's TV wife for more than eight years
is finally speaking out. She tells abc news correspondent
Lindsey Davis. She learned about the claims against Cosby along
with the rest of the world. I can't even speak to those things
and don't want to the sit down airing on ABC news came just
hours after Rashad was quoted on the website showbiz 411 where it
sounded like she was implying there was some sort of plot
against Cosby. Here's the reported quote, forget these
women, what you're seeing is the destruction of a legacy. And I
think it's orchestrated. I don't know why or who's doing it. The
legacy
that was a misquote that is not what I said. I said, Wow, the
women This is about something else. This is about the
obliteration of legacy No, that's
right man. That's what that thing is off the hook now it's
like
real and that's why you don't have this pat ourselves on the
back show like this on the main stream because my iPhone would
have been wrong. My like clip for me and the way it works is
like it's not like a huge power structure. It's just that
somebody knows somebody that knows somebody. Yeah, I know how
your friend call you like, Hey, I'm not looking too good. You
know? You might want to go out No, get ahead of it. That's what
they use us or you might want to get ahead of the head and get
ahead of this issue.
Yeah, right in front of this. Yeah.
But he because Claire Huxtable, and I use her TV name for a
reason. legacies estate. Yeah, because the only thing that she
is is like, to the masses is Claire Huxtable. No Cosby Show
no Claire Huxtable, wishy washy at the same time, she also has
loyalty to the sisterhood. She's in a tough spot. Yeah. She know
how it goes down in Hollywood. I mean, she knows and she's like,
this is mass conspiracy. Now, like I said, you can be guilty
of something. But the powers that be and they're saying cover
it up for you. And I think that's how this whole thing
works in general. If you know how commonbond works. They want
to know all your dark secrets. You land the casket, you tell it
dark secrets, and Bill's laying in the casket. He's Oh yes, I
like to put quite loose and women's drinks, you know, that's
my thing. And awesome. But they take those secrets and use them
and webinars. They don't when they see fit. And it's like,
well, we need a big name for me to go we got a it's like, oh,
yeah, Bo and I know we're talking to speaking about this
and gallows humor, but we have to because it's a very heinous
crime that cross at across it allegedly happened. But at the
same time, this tape now is one of the most fascinating
takedowns I've seen in my life.
Yeah, it really is. And, and it's nothing compared to the you
know, we've got the Cuomo takedown the most recent one.
Can we put all this stuff in interesting perspective. But
where's the handcuffs though? Right? No, no, no, he got to
slip out the back door. I mean, he was he wasn't 15,000 he
wasn't elected official. Doing this to people in his office. I
mean, allegedly.
Now, can you understand the frustration with so called black
people in the justice system? Yes. What this is what it calls
it the frustration because it's like, oh, no. Who was Bill's
lawyers, first of all? And what, how did this even make it to
trial? You have a public statement by by the person that
made the deal with him saying, Oh, we can't use that testimony.
Public. It wasn't my end hidden. So close indictments was
something else. So on a bigger scale, in my mind? Yes, America
has a two tiered justice system. And we've seen it a lot. You see
it with people like Roger stone, you see it with the I've had my
own version of it with with taxation issues, you know, where
if you have enough juice with the justice system, you know,
you can you can take the IRS to court and you can win certain
things. The General Michael Flynn. I mean, this is well
documented how he got railroaded by the justice system. So this
does happen to people who the powerful want to have taken care
of now, does this mean that there's it's the Illuminati and
the boulais? Doing this black and white? Possibly. It may be a
little more across the board. I understand where you're coming
from. But there's, you know, there's also a current
currently, and this follows long of you saying, Hey, we're first
Yeah, we're following close behind. Because there are
certain there's a certain type of exactly a certain type of
white man. Notice, by the way, toxic masculinity only really is
for white men, whenever it's used. And there's and there's,
you know, different different types of justice. Of course, we
haven't seen someone on the level of Cosby. But you know,
definitely, it's a it's an anti man thing for sure. I hear you,
I hear you on the on the black thing.
But it's it because it's it's using golf.
I just think it's bigger than that. I think it's you have me
with the America's dad,
right? It's no no, I'm saying is their booth a was complicit and
under boulais didn't have the kind of power to be taken down
and cosmi does this be clear on that as well? They don't have
they were complicit in I was going to make an analogy to the
Godfather, right? When, when Michael's older brother got wet,
right? He got hit at the toll booth. Right? The tome the tow
guy had to be in on it, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying he's
the one to pull the trigger. But he never had to know to get down
to start shooting. Yeah, he feels as though he has some
knowledge of the tape. Now what's gonna happen? That's what
I'm saying that's the Boo lays roll in it, that they they turn
their back on bill and cloak cross their arms and said, we're
not touching this right. You're on your own. And that's, that's
one of the point I'm making no, boo. They don't have the kind of
power to take on a bill cosby. And it's not even this. What I'm
saying is if you're a willing participant in this narrative,
of like, getting emotionally invested in it, this is how when
you walk away from it, like See, this is what I'm talking about,
you know, black man can't get a fair trial in America. This is
what firm a firm is. And it's this kind of behavior. got kind
of, like bread. You got to do I mean, the Fifth Amendment,
everybody, no fifth, Washington State.
Everybody knows that. But yeah, so I just say that all that to
say, now we need to get into the timeline of the Bill Cosby
allegation.
For Bill Cosby, it has been a week of allegations from women
who say they were sexually assaulted in the past by the
comedian. Many claimed they were drunk and never saw any drugs.
But I would wake up completely confused, half dressed, and
knowing that my body had been touched without my permission.
Bowman says she went to Cosby's New York apartment alone and
that Cosby flew her all around the country as he performed at
various venues. But she says the advances were unwelcome, of also
speaking out to john tortious. We went up to his bungalow
Afterwards, he made me a drink. And very shortly after that, I
just, I passed out. I woke up or came to very groggily with him,
me moving my underwear. tarsha says that in 1969, she
voluntarily saw Cosby again when he invited her to a performance
after accepting drinks at his hotel and in the limo. She says
she woke up the next morning with him in his bed. Ironically,
Cosby released a comedy album that same here titled it's true,
it's true. joking about that very issue in
Spanish, like no, who is this girl? Crazy Mary? He puts them
in her drink.
Like Louie ck, Ck. Oh,
yeah. When the thing about this clip was the show that these
women saw him again and again afterwards. Yep. Which, which is
another thing I guess I'm not making the case for because it's
not what I'm doing. What I'm illustrating is how you have
such a divide on this case, and when we have these divides, is
by design. I believe that's my personal opinion that let's take
a case that can shatter society and and have them own looking at
the same thing, but looking at it from two different angles,
or like oj, etc.
Exactly. Because Oh, Dre set back racial relations and
Michael Jackson. Same thing. And then you got Bill Cosby here.
America's dad, clean cut, never waves his finger, everybody, all
you need to do is pull up the paint like said that kind of
thing. Yeah. And it's like, hold on, in the 1970s. He just out
here randomly. You're saying assaulting women, a black man in
the 1970s? And you can't get him? No, I mean, that just
doesn't register like as being by 1970s. I mean, man, we're
still getting lynched in lightning. 80s. Let's just keep
your funky with you. Right. And in 1970s you have a man running
around.
You just say let's keep it funky with you. Is that what you just
said to me? Thanks. I just want to make sure I'm
sorry. Nobody saying these things we they hit your brain?
And yeah, in little morsels. The fact that we're deep dive in I'm
going through this timeline. And you know, the narrative is one
way but when these little morsels hit your brain by it's
like, the women's arm again, Hollywood. Hollywood good now. I
mean, like that kind of thing. So I'm just but I'll say beauty
himself no favors once again, by making the Spanish fly. Now this
is a little long, but it's important. We listened to it
when I was 13 men start talking about weird things. Now really
stand on a corner. You know anything about Spanish fly? Fly.
It always happens when you're 13 only when you're 13 on up to it
like when you get married guys turn around talk about Spanish
fly. And it never starts with one of the guys on the corner
it's always some strange 13 year olds is you know if you know
anything about binary fly, no dummy man. Well, is this girl
crazy? Marry? You put some in her drink, man. Oh, yeah, that's
really really really for men on man. Anytime you see a girl go
to a party. See five girls standing alone boy about a whole
joggers, class. So I thought it only existed in Philadelphia,
you know, and I'm working on ice bi and Bob and I are working
together. Sheldon linna comes up says boys I spy is going to
Spain. childhood dream come true.
I'm sorry to interrupt this, but he almost has the cadence of
George Carlin in this clip. It's so different. From from his it's
very different and like
I said the bomb you know cuz he know nothing about it. I said,
you know what I'm gonna pick up when I'm in a stranger's Spanish
buddies are you kidding? There's a girl in my neighborhood in
Berkeley named crazy Mary we gave us every time he told me a
story. I had heard it every time I told him a story he had heard
it. We all knew the same story, so I figured there's got to be a
guy about 2000 years old as 13 going around the world you guys
weren't here last
night man was your single use me riding on the plains go through
cousins. This is the lane of Spanish. We're getting the cab
driver as a cab driver. Driver. Driver says in your lesson. You
Spanish station yo yo America. Yes. You come from America. Yes.
You can tell me maybe you brought with you some American
flags.
That's all you can hear Eddie Murphy took Eddie Murphy was
influenced by that it's very interesting to hear this good.
Good clip and in very different kind of joke of course than the
way it was worked into that clip before
but and then make the jump for Spanish slot equate ludes that's
the right thing. It's like, Oh, yeah. These little morsels.
Yeah. Are you know he made that? That? That comedy show about
drugging women. Right. And clearly, we have his cut that
out a little bit. Yeah, we have his confession. We have his tape
about Spanish block. Clearly this is open shut. Open and shut
case. So this is how Bill Cosby was railroaded. Great
oh great media in general, Mo great media deconstruction.
I appreciate that. Now we got to get to the quaint lubes and how
popular they was in the 1970s.
Who could forget this scene from The Wolf of Wall Street,
Leonardo DiCaprio and Jonah Hill High on quails unable to walk.
It's pretty funny, but Quezon are no joke. The drug is now
getting lots of attention after Bill Cosby admitted giving them
to women. Nicknamed disco biscuits. preludes were hugely
popular in the 70s widely consumed in nightclubs like the
legendary Studio 54. Originally developed as a sleeping pill,
Queloz had a deeply relaxing effect. Much like strong
alcohol,
not the typical high you'd get if you were taking like ecstasy
where you're partying or you're doing coke and you're really up.
It's more of a relaxed kind of high,
but quaint moods were often abused. In 1977. Director Roman
Polanski gave Ben 13 year old Samantha guymer a portion of a
Quaalude before he had sex with her. He fled the country to
avoid prison and never to return.
It's not uncommon to see things like seizures, coma and death.
And that absolutely happened, which is why the drug although
it wasn't on the market for very long, became a huge problem and
it became very quickly taken off the market. You know, by the
80s, it was gone.
Bill Cosby was prescribed preludes for a bad back. He says
he never took them but kept them on hand to offer dates.
This is great. I never heard all the I was so busy looking at 45
savage and all this stuff at the time. It's I'm sorry that I
didn't really follow this.
That's why it's a great topic to cover because we all were just
sucked into the media narrative.
Mo You know, I've like kind of just a black guy gives a shit
typical. That's all I
know what it is. We thought it like okay, who's gonna be the
next one? In an era of light? True. Okay, who's staying? Who's
up next? Moon? whatever his name Les Moonves met Les Moonves
Who's next? You know, that kind of thing. But yet and still,
when they talk about Roman Polanski. He gives once a 13
year old girl before they have sex, not the right Word. Right.
And
that was actually very, very, very soft on Polanski, the way
the media usually is about him.
Where is it? I mean, it's like, well, let's get us to have a
small discussion about Roman Polanski. Who did he pays off? I
mean, because it seemed like now Hollywood loves him because he
actually wanna what Oscar something they gave Meryl Streep
was gave him a standing ovation and we'll hear in us and stuff
about that but to be on the run that long as a white guy, I mean
like I mean, this totally this totally breaks the narrative
because we have this white guy on the run for his life over
giving you know a 13 year old quite loose and we are Bill
Cosby a black guy. This dropping quite loose like Dom you know,
saying like this like, well, how does it work? How does that
happen in the racial American? I mean, this is why it's like a
such a mind screw. How does that happen? I don't I don't know. I
don't know how that happens. Um, but like I said, disco biscuits.
That's that's
heard of disco biscuits.
No, no, it's a whole different kind of
biscuit. a whole different kind of deceit. So uh, let's see. Now
we have Roman Polanski's victim, and she wants to case dropped.
She was sexually assaulted by director Roman Polanski as a
teenager. Now she wants a Los Angeles judge to drop the case.
Daniel Nottingham has the story.
I'm just here to try and get things resolved and not on
Romans behalf but on the behalf of a fair justice system.
Samantha guymer delivered a passionate plea to end a case
that's kept her in the headlines for the past 40 years. She says
the trauma of media scrutiny has been more painful than the
crime. I do not want to have to explain to my granddaughter why
she can't go outside or answer the phone or why there are
camera crews outside my home. And eventually, what happened to
her Nana in 1977 guymer was 13 when director Roman Polanski
then 43 years old, gave her champagne and a pill during a
photoshoot in the Hollywood Hills and sexually assaulted
her. The Oscar winner pleaded guilty to unlawful intercourse
with a minor in 1977. He was sent to a state prison for a 90
day evaluation, but was released after 42 days. Polanski fled the
country to avoid additional time in 1978. He was notably absent
from accepting a Best Director Academy Award for the pianist in
2003. Friday's hearing was part of an effort by Polanski's
lawyer Harland Braun, to dismiss the case and get an
international warrant lifted that would allow Polanski to
travel more freely outside of the US. Outside of the
courtroom. guymer said she never felt the case was about her. I'm
standing here saying I'm fine and nothing you can do to him
will help me or anybody else. Suddenly, it's the space not
meat account. It's a really hypocritical view either victims
count or they don't. Yeah, well, you know,
I've always thought that the Roman Polanski issue was not
about this so called rape or underage rape at all. About his
investigation of the of the Tate murder. Manson dimensions? Yeah,
yeah, yes. Cuz he was he was all over that. And so, you know,
it's all kinds of weird stuff. You know, he was training with
Bruce Lee. And then, you know, I guess he thought, Yeah, man,
Bruce Lee might have killed him. And if this whole kinds of weird
I don't know, I always thought that he had uncovered something
there.
That might question like, Who did he pants on? Yeah. Well,
when you said that, that's, that's what triggered it was the
I kind of remember looking into that,
in a time where it was like, Oh, I mean, 13 year old, quite
loose. I mean, that's like, you know, a Saturday night it was in
Hollywood. Um, I say that flippantly but that's kind of
like the caused me to pace the narrative like that was the good
old boys club. Just how they roll. But all of a sudden now
Plessy is on the run for his life, yet and still, um, I just
found that weird. I mean, just just
want to go there's one. There's one other part to it. This is
the way it's been told to me. No judgment. I'm just saying here's
what the story is. If we presume that a lot of powerful Jews have
control over things in Hollywood, Roman Polanski being
polish, and he may have actually made some comments about this or
may have been some screenplay. The Hollywood Jews have a big
problem with Poland, because they feel he was Poland that
really that really built the concentration camps for the
Nazis.
They even made a Netflix documentary kind of rewriting
history or or what have you want to say reshaping the narrative
around Poland? So that makes plenty of sense. Now, I didn't
know that that's why I love talking to you. Because I didn't
know that part of Yeah.
He may. He may have said something, actually his poet I'm
reading from Wikipedia now is Polish Jewish parents moved the
family back from Paris to Krakow and 37. Then Paul was invaded.
Let me see, after his mother and father were taken in raids,
Polanski spent his formative years in foster homes under an
adopted identity surviving the Holocaust. So that's also
probably might be some something contentious like, you know, you,
you, you hid your true identity. So he didn't have to go to the,
to the work. He was passing ish. Yes. Stuff like that. Stuff like
that. So I don't know exactly. I don't know exactly. But I think
it all all of this comes into play somehow. Okay.
So I just brought up Rome, Roman Polanski to show you a sample of
how you thought I would think Bill would have been protected.
And this is Whoopi Goldberg explaining the Roman Polanski
case on the view.
I know it wasn't rankbrain. Maybe it was something else. But
I don't believe it was rape, rape and information. Somebody
will tell me am I here? All I'm trying to get you to understand
is when we're talking about what someone did and what they were
charged with. We have to say what it actually was not what we
think it what he said he did. He gave her Quaaludes. He gave her
champagne. She was drunk. She was 13 years old. That's what
I'm saying you're 13 years old. While she was still a child. He
actually excuse me, initially, he was charged with rape. Go
ahead. And then he, he pled guilty to having sex with a
minor, okay. And he went to jail. And when they let him out
35 days, and when they let him out. He said, you know what this
guy's going to give me 100 years in jail. I'm not staying and
that's why he left. So that's why we're really clear. Because
I want to know exactly what we're talking about. I'm going
to make it okay to you know, instead of saying and fighting
to fake, you know, it's going to be 100 years, I'm out of here.
But what we were talking about was what he did. And that's what
I wanted to clear out. That's all I wanted to clear up because
I don't like it when we when we're passionate about
something. We don't have all the facts. Okay, so he was charged
with rape. So should he be prosecuted now? I believe Yes.
Because the crime has not changed. I know she wants to
move on. But there's what does it say about crimes that are
still being committed against children?
Well, I love how she's how she's sticking up for the for the
Polish guy. Right, right. Right, right. What the hell is rape,
rape? Is that something that
your face comes to the window kind of right? Is that like,
that's totally disgusting. Like, why don't people like that get
counsel? Could you imagine getting on TV and defending our
Kelly? Our Kelly via what really right, right? Imagine if a black
man would have got on television was saying that they would have
been out the Boulay phone with a ring man episode highlight.
I'm glad you caught on to that. Like she said, Of course, of
course. Of course that you think that's crazy. Why do you get to
the second clip?
He forgives him but forgiveness is not permission and
forgiveness doesn't mean he didn't break the law. So I agree
with you sharing and if there's a point somebody brought up
backstage if he wasn't famous, would we be would we be
protecting him as much as we are because he his friend, his
friend, Otto Otto Weisinger fit, you know, millions and millions
of people love his work. He's a brilliant guy. He made a little
mistake. 32 years ago, Switzerland said auto Weiser
Polanski's friend. Wow, you know, I have to tell you, again,
you know, we're we're a different kind of society, we
see things differently. The world sees 13 year olds and 14
year olds, the rest of Europe, they're seen oftentimes. Well,
Sherry, I don't know but I do know that not everybody agrees
with the way that we see things. Now what I want my 14 year old
having sex with somebody not necessarily no now. I will tell
you that I'm not surprised that they that he hasn't come back
I'm not surprised that he didn't come back under the guise that a
would have 31 years ago. Will he get a different kind of feel now
maybe
that's pretty incredible. How old is that? This is a commonly
be like I get back from that time from
the cost. Yeah, this is this is right around ah Let's see. Maybe
2014 2015 cuz I think that's when the clip that she wanted to
case drop I think that's when, yeah, you know right after after
that happening, but a different kind of society. I'm not what I
don't know what kind of society she lives in.
well being is her real name is Karen Johnson. She lives in a
fantasy world regardless, he sees you.
Who has, I want to know who's pulling with these strings for
her to go out on a limb like that. And mcclymont. ABC is
Whoopi is a company woman.
So she asked me she's whatever Disney wants her to say. She
says that that's the way I
sleep with 30 year olds now that's all you had to say. Thank
you.
Disney outfit. Yeah, yeah.
And this is why this show is important because you will not
have this conversation anywhere else. Because, as you say, she's
a company woman. And most people are better company people can't
have discussions like this, but we can on the move facts were
encouraged.
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checks, we have to go and see who pulled the trigger on bill
to get this whole thing rolling. And what was their compensation.
So now we have to get into a handle burse his stand up joke
back in 2006 after Bill Cosby dealt with a civil lawsuit
alleging that he sexually assaulted a woman. Now there
were 13 other women that came forward as part of that case,
and before any of them could testify. Cosby decided to
actually settle the suit with the woman who filed the suit
against him. Her name is Andrea constant. Now originally, she
wanted to file a criminal lawsuit however, prosecutors
said that there wasn't enough evidence to do so. So now as a
result, fast forward to today, a comedian decided to make some
interesting commentary on this entire sexual assault case. And
of course, it's making headlines. I want you guys to
take a look at the video and then we'll discuss
Bill Cosby black people on TV and a successful sitcom on stage
Bill Cosby himself if you want to rate this public Teflon image
outlet has been on stage and people don't believe you they're
making it up. No, he have said if you didn't know about Google
Bill Cosby.
Yeah, man, I forgot about that. He was it was his joke. Yeah.
He lit the fuse here. Or did he? Was he just doing a stand up and
people took this and said, You know what, we could take this
and run with it. And we can say You know what? It was a black
man. That you're saying that? Do that initiate this whole circus
into action? To take down another black man. Oh, and I'll
be honest with you before this I had never heard never heard of
handlebars. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never
seen him on Comedy Central or on Def Jam. I've
never heard of him since could be honest.
Well, we're gonna get to why you ever heard of him. But another
thing is and we talked about the American that America's dad and
the takedown the patriarchy, but also now understanding of
respectability politics, and how that's like the third rail. You
had to go because we talked about respect to respectability,
politics. On the last semester, pull up your pants cut your
hair. Right, right right English all the things bill was saying
he was rewet he will he was trying
he was trying to he was trying to shape up the black man that
we can't have that we gotta we gotta use those two for our own
agenda.
That is correct. So now we have a guy named Joe Rogan. But um
Hello birth. I've heard of his show. Okay, kind of a burst sat
down with him and talked about the aftermath of Bill Cosby.
Have you like completely move past all the Cosby chinar
details still take grief for that. That grief No, I've uh,
now you're vindicated.
I was a grief is just where I would be forced to talk about it
and situations it wants to and also it came out the joke in a
video came out right before we were starting the rollout from
my comedy central TV show. And we actually people that we
pushed back my announcement because that look, an
opportunist and news was that crazy that we pushed it back by
maybe he pushed it back the premier announced by a month or
two Why? Because he was that and so. So even though I had my
comedy central deal in place, this instance 2012 ad all around
Comedy Central deal is so then when that came out, and then I
got my show with it. Well, then my show was scheduled going to
air it look like Oh, he did the cosmic joke. And then he got the
TV show. No, man, this is like my fourth development deal. And
this is finally the show that I got.
Isn't it funny how things work? It's funny how that works like
you do you do the Cosby joke and then you get the show.
He said he was in the fourth development deal. So this is
what the the person that wrote and talk about nuance and
humanizing. We're not going to jump on handlebars and say that
he was sat down on a smoking room I ate Hannibal, you're
going to write this joke. You're gonna say you're gonna say he's
gonna be a great it's gonna be great and your show is gonna be
kind of pulled off but it's not it's not how it works. They know
this, Joe. I think they gave it gas or the Young Turks. I saw on
Fox News.
On a second let me just let me correctly the way I believe it
to work. Okay, please. But he did the joke. The joke made the
special work for them. For whatever reason, they didn't
tell him to write the joke but but it was the fourth the fourth
development deal. Finally they said out now you got something
we can use son.
I'm thinking that it happened. He told the joke. I needed to
development deal. He picked up press. You know, whoever meets
who ever wants to give it gas, Young Turks. Fox five. I heard I
heard his helmet burgers. That was my question. Like, who is
this guy? And then they call me like, Hey, we got to show you
one. And I think it'd be a great time for it. When you go out,
you know, you're gonna be asked about it. And then that's like,
you know how to press the it's like, oh, we hate to ask you
this. But while we have you here, Bill Cosby. He's a rapist.
He was like, What? I came here to talk about my shoulders about
to go off. So I guess I don't want to shoot man. Do
you know that this guy? He's the voice of fly low FM on Grand
Theft Auto.
I'd never played that game. So I'm there. Yeah. What's wrong
with you? Like killin hookers? Come on. I'm a sports guy. I
play basketball, football and anything with Mario. I gotcha.
But yeah, I think that's how it goes is that while you're on
your press run, you're going to be asked about Bill. Yeah, he
was saying that. He said I felt forced to talk about it. And
then it makes him look bad. Like, oh, here's God took down
Bill Cosby, that kind of thing. And he really alluded to in the
stand up that bill cod was Teflon. So even speaks more to
my like, why did why was he allowed to be taken down like
this? I'm not saying he shouldn't but I'm just just
curious how that happened. So we have a spark to Rogen and
Hannibal clip.
But so that was that was the thing where instead of instead
of just having this show that I was able to it was his energy
around it, you know, in 2005, July like yet, or early 2000. It
was this energy around it. Where if I was going to do press
around that time, they would Definitely going to what year
was it? This was 2015, so years ago to 2015. And that show it
fairly was October 2014. So, yeah, it just kind of really
affected the energy around it as far as in my want, and eagerness
to do a lot of press, just because I knew I was gonna come
up. Yeah. And I was just like I was. So that was that. I'm not
saying that that's the reason my shows not on anymore. People
like your self
awareness, self awareness to say, if I go out here, you know,
I'm doing all the Letterman's and all you know, all these
shows. And and I get, keep getting acts. So about Bill
Cosby. So about Bill Cosby. So about Bill Cosby. That's how you
get your own car real quick. Um, so he, he's making that
calculation, you can hear it in his voice that he didn't really
say that, but he understands that this can clearly be
perceived as a butter biscuit of your show for taking bill down.
When I when I'm saying that I don't think that's for one
for one season, and then it was gone.
And then for him to be on it and take a man's word for him to be
on his fourth production deal. Obviously, he wasn't maybe he
did a lot of writing for people. And you know, he was plenty like
that. But like, on the other hand, though, is I've never
heard of this guy before. And now you're taking down
but he does have a resume. He does. I mean, yeah, just saying,
you know, looking. Okay.
I mean, it's on my consciousness, you know, my
entertainment, radar. I'm like, who is Hannibal burres? So it
seemed very opportunistic. Is this the point I'm trying to
highlight is this person, I never heard of it. It's a lot of
comedians that does do a lot of work and a lot of writing behind
the scenes that you never actually hear. Oh, so I'm not
saying he's not talented. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm
saying is you put two and two together, it can look to be
four. Right? Like, okay, you did The Cosby Show, you get a show.
Wow, like, that looks fishy, which I'm not saying this
happened. But I'm just saying, This is how the ball got
rolling. But now we get to why it actually can take hold, build
itself no favors at The Cosby Show. In the old day. You
couldn't
because behind every drawing change was an eye. Before your
mother got off the bus into the house, she knew exactly where
you had gone who had gone into the house. Parents don't know
that. today. I'm talking about these people who cry when the
sun is standing there and and are in suit. Where were you when
it was? Where were you when he was 12? Where are you when he
was a thief? And I've come you don't know. He had a pistol.
these are these are these are not political criminals. These
are people going around stealing Coca Cola. People getting shot
in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake. And then we
all run out were outraged. Yeah, how was he doing with the brown
cake?
All right, so I don't know the pound cake reference
it? I don't know what either. Oh, really? Honestly, I don't
know where he, I don't. This is the famous poundcake speech.
This was the beginning of the end of Bill Cosby. When you
start talking in terms of these people, all right, we got to
look at the timing and this was made 2004 when he gave the
speech and then all of a sudden this case comes back up with the
woman and his civil case. You're saying that's when the civil
case first started so it's like I don't know what was going on
with Bill but when you start using like say words of these
people, and making the appearance that people are
robbing each other for Coca Cola and shooting each other back of
the head for a piece of cake. Um, we've talked a button we
talked about this numerous times on the show about the drug
epidemic and you know, the crime bill and all these things the
plate emptyeyes
like head bill never seen the wire or something that he just
felt this was what it was.
Well, this bill is true blue boulais it's like pull yourself
up by Your own bootstraps. I didn't ask anybody for any
favors. I did it on my own that kind of attitude. And what
happens is he lost timing with the quote unquote, community,
which is a real thing. Because once you lose that connectivity
that tether, and I'll give you an example, Oprah, she was very
anti hip hop. But Oprah was wise enough to read the tea leaves,
and say, You know what, I need to make good with hip hop. I
need to go sit down with Jay Z and Brooklyn. You're saying and
make good with hip hop? Because I need it. She needs you're
against hip hop. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you it's a whole you ain't
class? No, then you ain't black. And the funny thing is, Bill
Cosby was very accepting of hip hop, especially on his show. The
early iteration of it, like the breakdancing? Yeah, so it was it
kind of played into that, um, even brought several rappers in
on different worlds, which was another choice. He is he Oh,
yeah. All right. So it wasn't like he was anti hip hop. He was
pro black excellence, what they were saying or respectability.
Yeah. And he's like this guy, we got to get out of here. So
that's the that's the poundcake speech. It's the second part you
want to listen to.
The Board of Education is no longer the white person problem.
We've got to take the neighborhood back. We've got a
goal is right around the corner. standing on the corner, it can't
speak English. It doesn't want to speak English. I can't even
talk the way the
why you wait where you go. I don't know who these people are.
And I blame the kid. And
this is all in the house. Everybody knows. Except these
knuckleheads, you get to play with why you ain't. You can't be
a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. Why
could you hit the streets? Why can't you clean it out yourself?
It's our time now ladies and gentlemen. It is our time. And I
have good news for you. This is not about money. It's about you
doing something that ordinarily we do it in somebody else's
business is time for you to not accept this language that the
people is speaking, which will take them nowhere. What the hell
good is brown versus the board of education? If nobody wants
it?
Do you know the setting of the speech what the who the audience
was? This was at the 50th anniversary of the Brown versus
Board of Education Supreme Court decision. Very boulais very
variable that he even referred to a person as it. He said yeah,
it was so yeah, okay. This is wow, that makes so not only
improves that he was quite removed from life. And for a
long time playing was didn't just printed, he just wake up
and Oh, they talk like this. I mean this.
Well, like I said he, you got to look at it from 1986 when Carl
became on until he went on television. That was a total
change of black culture, or the perception of black culture.
And by the way, I also think he, he probably really means well,
he's like, Hey, come on people, what the hell's going on? It's
about money. We need to shape our and get our crap together.
But that's Riley from a very, very, I'll just say privilege
standpoint. I mean, have you really looked at what's going on
bill?
That's the thing. That's the thing. Like he, he was very tone
deaf, but some of the things he's saying is true. But at the
same time, are you saying it to help people? Are you are you
making us in them? And if you're making us and then the Buddha is
a very small part of society in general, you know, the ruling
class is always gonna be smaller than the than the, you know, the
general population needs a prison term.
By the same token, while I hear people laughing they probably
like yeah, Bill, you know, Like that was really funny bill. That
was great. But that's that's just too much of that. You don't
really want people to actually better themselves, of course
gonna get a clue 2004 who
what happened in 2008? Obama instantaneously when bill gets
taken away, that creates a power vacuum in some kind of way. And
nothing but narrative. Obama became the American Dad. Oh,
you're
totally with mom jeans.
Right. That's why he became the new American day, right? Yeah,
no, yeah. So that power vacuum was real. backstab building
himself, no favors but Haha, he treated her handle burst by how
he spoke about him. And then we have another comedian, Dr.
Healy, give us a count of their interaction. You had a situation
when Bill Cosby called Sure. Can you talk about that?
Well, I was, but then I got so then I was I was doing kiss FM
here. Right after CNN. I was doing kiss FM. I was in the
morning show. Bill Cosby a calling to promote a gig I think
he was having in in Connecticut or Pennsylvania. And I was like,
build on like me, and I don't particularly care for him. So
I'm not gonna you know, I'll let you guys do the interviews for
pre tape. So a girl named Jackie Reed and a cat named Steve
Wilson, who were my co hosts started interviewing when he was
such a dick. I find like for five minutes to visit the dig. I
was like Mr. kazi, what is it you like for us to know? He said
Who is this? He said, I said this do he do? You say nigger
and I don't like your comedy. And he went in and I was like,
with all due respect, Mr. Cosby, I say nigga, but no kool aid has
ever woke up drug? What are draws on backwards?
I'm sure he said that. Mm hmm.
Well, we'll never know when it seems that this only comedic
circuit, especially the black community circuit, this was
common knowledge. Do I say we can all build anything because
handlebar bursts and it dealio he said it very frivolous
flippantly as well, the way and the way he delivers it like it's
well known that you know, when women get sleepy around you, so
we can't say I'm not absolving bill, anything. The first
segment of the show was just show the miscarriage of justice
that happen, and it can ever happen to him. It can happen to
anybody. And the second part I'm going to show is that you don't
piss on people on the way up. You might need those people
standing you're an offense. You're saying and and I will say
this dl Hughley, I think him and Bill Cosby are fraternity
brothers in omega alpha, I think I'm going off memory here.
He is a show by himself, because he was really big. And then all
of a sudden, he's doing podcasts and he's wearing funky hats. And
I'm not quite sure what that guy's deal is.
Well, he's a political operative now, okay, that explain ever
they need to push me and he's in one of those big markets. And I
always reference back to the black radio. And in this clip,
he's talking about their interaction on the black radio.
Um, he's out in LA and one of the big, quote unquote, urban
stations in LA so you can tell he's a political operative,
because when it comes to black and brown relations, and the
fact that's in LA, which has a large black and brown listening,
every very tappet how he handles that, that topic. So he's very
deep in the deep end and who we stand for democrat? For sure.
For sure. Got it. Got it. Got it. Um, so let's just listen to
him and his interaction with with Cosby on part two,
and we go back and forth and back and forth. I said, I was
base you could be my son. I said, but I'm not. And I said,
Everything you all you are because you experiences and I
appreciate that, but you're not going to denigrate what I've
been through. And I said, No one's ever heard of all the
words people have ever said to me. No one's ever say right. No
one's ever said we had this argument. Right. And so I work
cage 107 housekeeping, kiss FM, was owned by him his Bill. Bill
Cosby, like that table never aired this true story. He said,
Give me that tape. It's not gonna air and I said the fucking
day and 10 minutes later, all the people from managers came
down in miscommunications took the tape and made sure nobody
had a copy of it said if it ever airs if this airs nobody in here
working radio, so I know that that cat had the power to make
people do shit like this was the 2009 right? So this is way
before, but even before that, even if you read Time and
Newsweek in the very back of the paper, it talked about all these
great delegates. I grew up in LA and did warm up for a lot of
those shows. Everybody knew it. Everybody knew it, like Kip.
Cliff Huxtable is innocent. But Bill Cosby from day one I grew
up, but the dude the character is in the DNA. And I don't even
think that the cats like that thought it was necessarily a
wrong thing to do. They just kind of fed us what you did. You
gave some people doping. They did this. They knew what the
deal was. So I wasn't one of those cats who believed he was
innocent just because he was fun.
Pa Ms. Interesting.
I think he summarized a lot of feelings that Huxtable innocent.
Bill Cosby, a lot of smoke and mirrors a lot of smoke. They
gotta be some fire, huh? Um, but how do you separate the two? How
do you how do you remove a large segment of your childhood and
I'm not talking about what the show, but we're talking about
before with television, how to enter a plane into the family.
Eight o'clock Thursday night, you know where you're going to
be? You're going to be in the living room. The dish was going
to be washed. It was everything you ready for that show to come
on. And it's like, you live vicariously through that family.
And they inspired a lot of people to go to college and even
the deer show different world. Just a little just a little
inside baseball on me. The Wayne way was I mean, Dwayne Wayne was
a huge inspiration for me to be smart. And cool. It's like you
never saw it on TV before. Right? I can, I can see that.
You know, I'm funny. Okay. Yeah, I can see that. So how do you
take now you removed how you carve out that out of your
memory? This is why this was a struggle for a lot of people.
It's like, but at the same time, it's like Bill 6070. Women,
like, gotta be one or two. I could it could be
interesting. It could be part of a binary two part. Kind of MK
Ultra thing.
I think so because you it's hard to reconcile with this boy.
Yeah. It confuses your brain
to a huge degree. Hmm, interesting. Well, I mean, and
what I'm saying is, maybe there's a part to that can be
used or borsa it's a continuing program, just taking that as a
possibility. I'm not saying that. That's what it is.
Well, let's go ahead and listen, listen to deals last clip, and
then we'll get into maybe some MK connections. So what did you
specifically hear? Did you ever have like one of the girls
approached you?
Yes, it was. It was it was it was always, I'll never forget. I
didn't say this cast name. But when they were doing either the
it was a show that came at different world. He was a cat
who was a stage manager there. And they had led him for direct
one of the shows. He had the direct one or so. But he was the
stage manager. And he was late. And that man made that one black
because he made that black man sit down and like he was a child
on the floor. Like a child. I was like this, he really made
him do that in front of me. So I've never had this kind of
image that that was kind of inundated with the idea that
because he was a staggeringly talented cat that he was
incapable of doing some shit people accuse him of. Well, I
mean, Bill Cosby is always seem to have like sort of a beef with
a lot of other black comedians. This is what people don't
understand. When people say that you wouldn't be if it wasn't
real Cosby to Bill Cosby had owned NBC and Bill Cosby. He
said on the board of Warner Bros. He Time Warner he tried to
stop HBO from happening. He hated it. So all the comics, you
know, love and respect from the Chappelle to the monster Duckers
to the kid Def Jam to the kids Academy. He tried to stop from
happening. That's just true. I'm not trying to sell his
character. That's absolutely true.
Oh my god, I forgotten all about that. I remember when he was so
big that he owned like, all this stuff. And he was a huge
shareholder and he had powered NBC was crazy. This is good
shot. Thanks. He's got to stop. He tried to stop HBO, which
would have stopped Def Jam would have comedy jam. Sure.
Yeah. Which was like the catapult for hip hop. Hip Hop
comedy. No, Martin Martin was the heir apparent to him. I
mean, like all this Just connected because and I've
mentioned this before that eight o'clock Thursday, Tom slot
something magical about that will black America? I don't know
what it is because it was caused me only at first. Now he went
away and then Martin fell into that time slot. That was it now
let me just give you
an opposite side just for a second and you know, I know that
you're getting you're ramping up towards something here but what
if? What if Cosby saw it right? And he saw the abuse that was
coming down the pike with hip hop and the records and and
let's just call it general trauma based entertainment. What
if you saw that coming down the pike and what he was trying to
do was say, people stop you got to stop this This is crazy.
We're gonna we're gonna annihilate ourselves. And maybe
that's what he was saying and the way it came out is Cosby
wanted to stop def comedy jam.
Because not agree I'm not disagreeing with you? Because I
think he saw it right to Yeah, but it was not the issue I have
with the whole house. No, I understand. I understand because
it seek first to understand then to be understood. And this is
the role of an elder alarming when I was at age once and I was
doing both Uptown Saturday night with a with a Sydney party a and
me he hasn't mean me bill wasn't a squeaky clean person. That's
the thing is like, it's the hypocrisy if you were like
squeaky clean, okay, that you can, you know, have the right.
But you look you watch him with Sammy and, and Hefner, on
playboy at night, you know, back in the early 70s, or something
late 60s. Those cats had it going on, man, you could tell it
was swinging.
Great. And that's the thing is like, Bill, you've been where
we're at. Yeah. Is that seek first understand them and be
understood. That's where Bill's annoying was that he didn't stay
tied in with, you know, saying the younger comics, being like,
you know what, let me show you a shrink, so you don't have to use
so many cuss words, right? Because that's the thing. Let me
let me show you how timing that kind of is the transfer of
knowledge and you know, that stuff you can't pay for? But he
was like, No, I wouldn't have it my way. My pics and they're
perfect and pure. They're also choices you make as you get
older, you know, where I turned, I turned 57 and a couple of
days. And I'm not. It's like, now I'm on the other side.
Right? So now it's I one day will be old and be meant to
cleaned up and swept under the carpet.
And so you can you can point it the next generation coming
along, which I see is older millennials 2829. And say you're
doing it wrong. Or you know, like, Well, here's a path and
and go develop. And you know, and don't try to be a
micromanage language, which of course we're comedy, a lot of
what comedy is about.
Can you get the door for just a second? Cuz I think we need to
see we have to have a common eye inside a conversation.
Not a problem. Okay, I just asked.
I just said, you could have been the Bill Cosby to me by saying
hey, young man, this is how podcasting is done. And if you
can't stick to a certain day or every week at a certain time,
you know, you're going to fail. And I'm going to not do business
with you. Now, that kind of thing, right? But you're like,
hey, the proof is in the pudding. This is what you know,
this is this is what I'm saying? Like you couldn't took that I
know everything because I'm the pod father kind of thing kind of
tone where you like, No, no, you kind of let me feel my way
through it. And it made me earn the respect to you because like,
Okay, this I'm talking to the Father here. And we need to be
on a schedule. Like, who am I? But it's their approach. So I
just want to say that is the approach. You know, if you the
way you cut, especially when you're coming in younger people.
I mean, you already got a chip on your shoulder. I mean,
luckily we're we're too mature, man, you know, but these guys
20s Yeah, this and you're coming in all that have never worked
out, you know, hip hop, no turn on the music, that kind of
thing. So I just wanted to just have that conversation. I got
quick. Okay. All right. Got it. Got it.
But and thank you. I'm glad that I'm glad that you see it that
way. And I think that Yeah, approaches everything. No doubt
about it. But of course, I also don't have a seat on the board
at MTV NBC. I'm not worth $9 million now. Alright, doors open
again. Not yet. Thanks. Appreciate that. Man. Yeah, I'm
hanging on I'm hanging out but,
but since you brought up playboy, yeah, we got to look
into this relationship with playboy Bill Cosby and Hugh
Hefner. So let's look at Hugh Hefner's bedroom antics.
Guys Holly Madison's juicy memoir down the rabbit hole
curious adventures and cautionary tales of a former
Playboy bunny reveals secrets from behind the closed gates of
the Playboy Mansion. Not surprisingly, the tell all is
stirring the pot with Hugh Hefner, but his former number
one girlfriend is not done talking. Check out what Holly
says have used to do to pit the girlfriend's against each other.
It's our Toyota people picking the day. There's so many
interesting things revealed some of those things were have had
some kind of rules and things he liked, didn't like. So you've
revealed some very explicit details here about your first
sexual encounter with Hugh Hefner. You were offered
Quaaludes, you said, drinking a lot to kind of make it through
the night, he wanted you to put on a show of sorts and as well
as the other girls. What's the bottom line here? Do any of the
girlfriends really love half and the kinds of sort of rituals or
these sort of games or requirements that are on all of
them in the bedroom?
You know, when I first moved in, there were six other girls and
it just seemed like everybody wanted to get all that kind of
thing over with very quickly and didn't really seem into it. How
much about your past?
Are you going to let your daughter know about or do you
want to read this book? Eventually you had to be
thinking about that as you're feeling some of these things.
But she's gonna see this and know this. Yeah,
one day when she was old enough. She'll definitely you know, be
able to read the book and I'm very proud of the book. And you
know, even though there's some uncomfortable things for me in
there, it's it's something I'm proud of sharing my story and I
hope that other people can learn from it.
Learn from it. So we see quite low a lose. Yeah, interesting.
But it's amazing. Hugh Hefner icon. No take.
No take now. 1617 me rescue me. Us. Allegedly seven 817 18 year
old girls coming in and out of the mansion. I can say it was
America's warehouse. For good or bad. It is what it is. You know
to me. We're not when we have to call it what it is. We have
these allegations coming out of these rituals that she called
it. Oh, we love you. Isn't that amazing? So now we're going to
go over to a Is there anything you want to say on that? Oh, no,
no, I'm
Dude, you brought the quaint ludes clip from Hafner. I mean
that was impressive. A good one.
So let's get deeper into Bill Cosby and Hugh Hefner, this is
Mark Ebner, who is a Hollywood Reporter and sleuth, so we got
to be serious. This is the lip TV.
Firstly, I want to get a few more points out because it's
really important that you know we're all on the line in the
quaint loujen that sort of thing. People have been asking
you know there's no proof he raised you he raped anybody show
us the prescription pills. Show us the you know the blood
evidence show us this and show us that about believing these
women for starters. But beyond that, if you want to trace the
if you want to follow the trail of drugs, Bill Cosby, I think
you need look no further than the Playboy Mansion, and Hugh
Hefner, who I think has been quoted as saying, as calling
quaint ludes What was it five openers I also would look even
closer into the mansion. And look at his personal possession.
Mark sagen are is that guy dead yet by the way?
I don't think so. But I'm not
sure probably should be. But regardless, this guy, I you
know, put that together that he not only outta his personal
physician on call of quite possibly for date rape drugs
whenever he wanted him. And I'm talking about Hafner and I'm
talking about Cosby and I'm talking about any other you
know, of these anger runs at the Playboy Mansion. You know, it's
starting to make sense that you would probably look no further
than Mark sagen ORS prescription pad.
Oh my about that. And then the name Mark sagen our pops up a
national enquirer story which as we know from men and black is is
real. And there it is exposed Bill Cosby's cronies who enabled
his twisted crimes. Even his former TV co star Jimmy JJ
Walker is now calling Bill Cosby, the oj simpson of the
comedy world.
And that was the problem. Like you had co stars on the show,
right? Everybody's just started piling on probably rightfully so
like I said when there's too much smoke it has to be some
fire there. And just as I mentioned Martin Lawrence before
it's a very interesting person that I'm accused Bill Cosby of
this crime that got no press a lot. Vorhees Are you familiar
with Lark Vorhees? Lisa turtle for saying about the bill?
No, no, I don't know anything. She
she had a complete meltdown in front of everybody. She was the
black girl alone say about the bill, which was another one of
my childhood shows. And when I would go back and look at her,
and what happened to her she clearly suffers from some kind
of multiple personality kind of thing going on. We could which
could easily be di D But um, she had always thought that three
six is hands on and all aluminum, Illuminati hand signs,
and let's say Bob, the bill adds, Oh, wow. So it's like,
wow, like, but nobody gave her the time of day to speak about
it. Because they want it to be white women being attacked by
Bill Cosby
skit show Affective Disorder.
Yes, I had a whole set of clips and to go down that rabbit hole,
maybe another time for another day. But I was fascinated that
she didn't get any press. But her meltdown was covered in the
media, but they never connected her to Cosby. And I just found
that interesting. A glaring glaring no Miss omission,
omission omission. Excuse me. Yeah. So, um, you want to hear
more from this is good. It's good. Just go
even deeper. And I've been saying this for a long time. I
can't wait for a journalist more savvy than I am to start looking
into the depth of the playmate paid job. He died of an
accidental overdose of Yeah, barbiturates, it's something
something doesn't smell right. And it's coming out of the
Playboy Mansion.
Okay, but here's the thing. First of all, there was unlike
some references to have done what had happened there and Bill
Cosby and then Hefner somehow definitely steered the publicity
away from there, away from the mansion. But secondly, just
because people were taking qualys in the 70s, at the
Playboy Mansion, is an avatar certainly
was. I was taking Kwame ludes in the 70s. So I have no doubt that
these quote unquote fire openers, were probably at one
time Bill Cosby's, knockout drug of choice.
But it's interesting theory. But I mean, you know, the idea that
you automatically Can I mean, in criminal law, you can't
associate the fact that he purchased preludes with the fact
that these women were given them in voluntarily. I mean, I think
that's the missing link from the reports that we're seeing on
Cosby and and the idea that he said in the deposition that he
used them, and he used them with women to have sex isn't the same
as an admission that he gave them to them without their
consent.
No, yeah, the page young thing. I remember looking at this, that
would mean she overdosed and I think she she shot herself in
the head and won an American flag with a pentagram, you know,
all kinds of weird stuff. And like Hugh Hefner is the devil.
That was that was her parting shot.
Why, how's it been able to steer the tissue away from him? I
don't look over here.
Oh, well, that's easy. Hugh Hefner has the goods on a lot of
powerful people. But you want
to he might be the Epstein of his time.
Yeah, exactly. You want to you want to screw with half? No,
that's not I was not a good idea.
Well, there's something deeper there we have but we're gonna
get to it. Um, so we got Hafner. We got quite loose, aka thought
openers being passed around like candy. But my question is this.
Who the hell is still making preludes?
I don't know if they are, are they still being? He's getting
them prescribed to them. They're probably under they're probably
out of patent. So
in a time where we can't get hydroxychloroquine horseface
because we can get some daggone vintage Wow, that was a 74
equate lose all that was a year. Let me get some of those.
I have never, never had equate lewd. So I really wouldn't know.
What I'm saying is who's making them? They always want to stop
it bill. Okay, who wrote the prescription notice on the bill
scavi side on the Michael Jackson side. Well,
this is an interesting right is an interesting article here.
I'll put in the show notes from the BBC titled The ride In fall
of a ludes, which is actually a trade name, it's a methaqualone
is the actual drug first synthesizer in 1951. In India,
Germany and Japan were the first big markets where the drug
racked up an extensive record of addiction and abuse in the UK,
it was known as man Drax, a name still used in South Africa. The
doctors were essentially giving him out like candy says Justin
gas author of the book about the drug, it was very easy to obtain
Quaaludes in the mid to late 70s and early 80s.
And one a pop culture his most famous quotes, and none
acquerello you love me in the morning? What was Scarface
really saying, right? These things that make you say, huh,
and now everybody Oh,
I know. So then it became rope rueful?
Oh, yeah. roofie Yeah. Which is another problematic drug who's
making me stuff I guess. with Michael jack. Since we know the
doctor who gave it to me, nobody except this guy. Abner even
mentions the name of the doctor. Right. Okay, now we have the
doctor who still manufacturing these thought openers. Is that
clear? I mean, in in, in the scope of how we see medical and
pharmaceuticals now, how they can deem something is bad.
Well know that it's only bad when they can't make a lot of
money on it because they don't have the patent. You see
what I'm saying? Like, Bill Cosby wasn't the only one
getting like, whipping up a special batch for or maybe they
weren't maybe at that much money like, hey, I need you to fire
the machines. It's gonna be a busy weekend. But just to show
you a Bill Cosby's connection with a black celebrity and then
his connection with the Playboy Mansion. We have john Salley
here. Bad Boy fame. Not bad, but the movie but bad boy when he
wasn't a bad boy, the movie too, but bad boys, Detroit Pistons,
and the Chicago Bulls famous basketball player. He's gonna
give his take on Bill Cosby in the Playboy Mansion.
So you asked me about Bill Cosby. Let me just say this one
thing about Bill Cosby. I don't know. I miss doc. And he taught
me a lot of things. He always had wise things to say he's
like, Yeah, man, I really became really cool with him in 1989.
We're both on the same fraternity Omega Psi Phi
Incorporated. And he every year I would see him I'd go to the
Playboy Jazz Festival. I said, Daddy, give me jewels. And he
would talk about things talking about thing. He also was
isolated and put it to a point. And I also know the time of the
time, they were saying all that was going on. And people want to
look at his wife. He got kicked out of his house for like two
years when he was hosting the tonight show for Johnny Carson.
Johnny was going through his depression. And Bill Cosby was
hosting the tonight show and live in at the Playboy Mansion.
I didn't know that. Yeah, so his wife picked him up. Okay, like
this is the trip when they hit you up with all of this that we
see now. It has to move fast. And no one does research. And
they they crucify the and they used the they use what? I'm not
knowing if he's right or wrong. I'm just telling you, according
to what time magazine or Newsweek magazine had all the
women's heads are sitting there. People were yelling out. There
was a ton of things happening, saying this dude was at this
point, and he was guilty. And it was at it was going down and
down and down.
Wow. living at the Playboy Mansion.
Oh, hell yeah. Well, Johnny Carson was married 20 times.
I'm just saying that that doesn't jive well with the image
of Bill Cosby. No. And this is all news to me. I didn't know he
was that connected to Bill Cosby until I started going to the
Playboy Mansion. And he happened to start doing the show research
for the show. And I and this is not this was not the original
path. But
did you watch any of the actual YouTube videos of the Playboy
after dark with Cosby?
Well, I didn't watch that. But I do have an ad for the Playboy
Jazz Fest in 2011. Let me set this up right quick. So Bill, I
mean half a segment one of his beauties. And Bill is looking
like a you know he's older now. And he in He's like, well, this
is a clip so we have q a beautiful woman and Bill and
listen to the transaction or the conversation you have
this festival of the Playboy Jazz Festival, June 11 Well,
your words, what do you know? It will be? It'll be a grand party,
the party of the year. And unforgettable and the long
history of jazz. Thank you. My pleasure, Bill. All right. Thank
you. I wish you had a present for me. Well, I do. You're gonna
be really surprised. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you. All
right. Buhari party. have told me, I was with you. Get it?
What were we seeing there?
So basically, that was the president. Yes. So the President
was he was asking for a girl. Yeah, because I wish you brought
me a president for you. And then granny comes in, old lady. But
I'm going to show site how they talk about women. It's like, are
you gonna present for me? Oh, yeah. That kind of thing. So
that was 2011. Wait, wait, wait. This No. 2011 Jazz Fest? Real
YouTube? Yes. Are you sure? on that blurb on the show? Says
Bill Cosby, Hugh Hefner and playboy made. Crystal McCall.
Okay, McKay here. McKay he'll talk about the 2011 playboy Jazz
Fest festival. Granny joins in on the fun deplore.
The Bachelor guy just got cancelled for for less. You
know, the news? I'm sorry, the bachelor, the the Jeopardy host
that the executive producer who is going to host start hosting
it. And they went back and found some podcasts from from 2010.
Exactly. We have Hugh Hefner, and Bill Cosby talking about
presence in 2011. This is
crazy.
convenient. But it's still on YouTube. To this day. Wow. Very
interesting. So that's what money will get you. Right? And
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So now we've made the connection with Bill Cosby in the Playboy
Mansion and Hugh Hefner. We got to look and see how America
remembered the complicated legacy of Hugh Hefner
remembering the very influential life of Hugh Hefner.
He made his network television debut in 1956, on CBS speaking
to Mike Wallace, who defended the image of Playboy magazine.
Sex always will be an important part of the book. Because sex is
probably the single thing that
men are most interested in all of this I think that you will
agree it's a sniggering kind of sex. It's a less serious kind of
sex. It certainly isn't a healthy approach to sexy women
just that it is. I would suggest that I would say rather
strongly, we considered a pretty
well, by the 1970s, playboy had more than 7 million readers.
Wow. And Hefner was certainly a household name. He built an
empire on the simple idea that sex is important to people for
this from Los Angeles. Matt, is Matt bellinis, editorial
director of The Hollywood Reporter. Good morning to you,
Matt. Good morning. Well, he certainly changed the magazine
culture, he changed the American sex culture, if you will. But
that came with some controversy. Back in the day, there were a
lot of protests about how women were portrayed in the magazine.
What are the critics say today about the legacy that he's left?
I think it's a very complicated legacy. Because on the one hand,
playboy was criticized It was the first major mainstream
magazine to feature nude women. And it was in the context of
politics and lifestyle and all these other things, but it was
essentially a naked women magazine. And, you know, people
like Gloria Steinem at the time, very opposed, said playboy could
fill a book with what it doesn't know about women. Gloria Steinem
one
of our friends, from many, many, many episodes of mo facts,
yes. Gloria Steinem was backed by the CIA to be placed into 17
magazines, he
reported to the CIA. I mean, she was
CIA. Right? So if that case, who's to say that Hugh Hefner
wasn't CIA, because he didn't make his debut as as the
commentator said on CBS. What do you call CBS Central
Intelligence broadcasting system?
And guess who Hugh Hefner's cousin is? George Bush? You're
kidding me? I kid you not there's a article. You can put
it in the show notes.
Yes, Hafner. Odd cousin. Yes. So now we have these two people
popping up with magazines around about the same time, splits
floor and sexuality, women's sexuality. And I just find it
fascinating that um, we have Gloria Steinem, commenting on
Hugh Hefner, and who have nerves remembered as a complicated
legacy. Now he's been known to have spread around his own share
of thigh openers. No big deal. You understand? Now you
understand where you are?
Right? Right. But again, but again, if he was indeed a kind
of Epstein, and he had the goods on everybody, he had big
protection. So and you're really convincing me that Hefner may
have had that kind of role. So yes, yes, I agree. I agree what
you're saying. Yes, but I'm
just saying that on the surface level, yeah. On the surface
level. Yeah. You hear the news. stories and bills, block mount,
you know, saying doing a three to 10 the river and a smoking
jacket. You say flanked by three beautiful blondes. That's right.
How's that workout? Well, it
was pretty good. Pretty good for the white guy.
Hey, sounds like it. Let's continue on with Hugh Hefner's
complicated legacy. But on
the other hand, it was filled with progressive politics. And
it was, you know, one of the few magazines that they interviewed
MLK, and they interviewed Muhammad Ali. And they did a lot
of articles that were very progressive in the politics.
They were pro choice at a time when not many outlets were
openly so and they were very pro First Amendment and these causes
that the culture sort of caught up to but playboy was doing it
at a time in the in the 50s 60s 70s when it wasn't that
accepted from big national magazines like that. When I was
growing up, there were two magazines you collected. One was
playboy and the other was the National Geographic. Two very
different very matte and what happens going forward we
know that his son Cooper is going to be taking over the
magazine the circulation has dropped significantly, as have
many industry magazines as well. How does the magazine and the
brand go forward in the digital age?
It's a tough road. Recently, Cooper Hafner, Houston has
assumed control of the brand. But the magazine, they have gone
through a rocky tenure with multiple editors, they got rid
of new pictures, then they brought them back. They have a
very lucrative licensing business with the Playboy brand
is very meaningful around the world. But in the US, they
really have struggled and the culture has sort of gone beyond
playboy, they have to figure out a way to make the Playboy brand
relevant in today's media and cultural environment.
Of course everyone will remember that iconic Playboy bunny down
did right, Matt, thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, yes, two
things one. I think that's Charlie Rose who was Oh, Charlie
loves history. Right? So you know, Charlie, Charlie, he got
his own take down at the only you know, and with the with
white man, it's always like he's he's a sad pathetic old man
holding his used his robe open in front of young girls. His own
separate type of takedown. But what I thought interesting was
he said something there that I'd like to know your perspective
on. He said, when I was a kid, we saved two kinds of magazines,
Playboy magazine, and National Geographic to which all the
female hosts on the show go haha, it's a very different
kind. But I know what I know what Charlie meant. And I'm
curious if this was for you. We like National Geographic for a
short time I'm talking Yeah, we're like 12 love. Yeah.
Because Because you see boobies. They were boobs in that thing,
baby. That's why, and they were all black boobs to which and but
that never mattered to brown boobs. Right? There were no
white boobs in the magazine. But we were just as interested in
the boobs no matter what the color they were just just saying
and not discussed. The fact of American male pubescens
you gave me insight on that, because I was wondering who
claimed National Geographic I thought he was gonna say like
Mad Magazine or something like that. But when you say the movie
part, I do agree. That was the first thing you try to find when
you went to the doctor's office. Exactly.
Exactly. But no, but notice that that was exciting for the white
boys, as well as the black and brown boys, no matter and even
though all the all the boobs were of color.
And let's take it out black and white for a minute. Let's just
go to half an hour versus a Larry Flynt. I believe his name
is muscular. Yep. I had a very hard time with the government.
Oh, I do a similar thing much worse than Hugh Hefner. So why,
why? I mean, it's kind of like the Polanski thing it's like why
why certain people have a hard time and then other people have
get it get a pass. But this is not good. I didn't want to bring
that up as this as a passing comment. But now we got to go
look at the rabbit. So we're going over to the art of
awakening the Renaissance where we get
the recall this is this is the real power of Playboy. Is this
branding? I'm sure I'm sure. Okay,
the rabbit Totem spirit. No,
this is Christy with spirit animal Oracle. And today I'd
like to talk a little bit about the spirit meeting of rabbit.
Rabbits even though it's a pretty small we think it's a
weak animal. It is actually a computer an incredibly powerful
spirit animal, and it has an abundance of meanings. And
speaking of abundance, abundance is actually one of rabbits
biggest magic powers. I guess you can Say, you know if you've
ever been out in the country in the springtime, you've seen the
baby rabbits kind of popping like popcorn right out of the
hedges. They just like you they know how to reproduce. And
they're legendary for it. And this is a really actually, there
was a scientific study done by somebody at Miami University.
And they estimated they, they just kind of did the math on
rabbits. And their estimate was that at average rates of
reproduction, if there was no disease, or predation or
anything, a single mother rabbit, and her female babies
could produce over 187 billion offspring in seven years.
Rabbits, well, there's a reason they multiply so fast because
their prey a lot of things depend on rabbit. And because
they are prey, that really brings up some of the other
spiritual associations that rabbit has. sensitivity is one,
then we're going to look at fear and fear is a huge one for
rabbit. So if you're a rabbit person, you're probably gonna be
challenged by fear. You're gonna have a lot of fear stuff coming
up to fears to overcome and so forth.
Oh, wow. I never even thought about the rabbits place in the
world. But he's basically lunch. Food. Yes, that's that's his
entire job. look pretty cute. Be innocent and be food. Sounds
like a Playboy
Bunny and to me, um, but if you look at it and say, okay,
rabbit, white rabbit goes to Alice in Wonderland. Going down,
you know, going down in the rabbit hole. So are you familiar
with gray slick?
I know gray slick a. I've met her I've hung out with her and
her daughter, China.
Okay, so are you aware of their song? The White Rabbit?
Yes, of course. With
the gray slick break now of white rabbit.
We were talking about something that was going on at the time.
We liked it. We had a good time. But we were not saying why don't
you guys all go out and take drugs. The only song that talks
about drugs is first Jefferson Starship or airplane was mine,
it was called White Rabbit. And all it was doing was letting my
parents and everybody's parents know that they have been reading
us books. Written by British author authors, the British had
control over the Far East, Middle East. And they had found
new drugs, which the writers took and then wrote about Alice
in Wonderland sitting on a psychedelic mushroom, there is a
worm that is going to turn into a butterfly who hands her a
piece of this mushroom. And she gets literally Hi, she grows.
And so the parents were down on us for taking drugs. So I was
just saying, Look, you've been reading and strength books for
Peter Pan, sprinkled some white dust all over everybody. So all
of these, the British writers mainly come to America yet or we
hear something. We're talking about how your life will be
better if you take a chemical.
Like quite loose. Yeah. So in the White Rabbit lyrics, there
was really a couple of lyrics to use. And if you go chasing
rabbits, or you know you're going to fall, that's one lyric
of it. And then she goes down and says when logic and
proportion have fallen dead, and the white knight is take talking
backwards in the Red Queen offered her head Red Queen, then
that may be a stretch but what it says is I believe playboy and
all these things were set up to get rid of logic proportioning
math is racist. Once you get rid of all of these things and get
people in a emotional state like they're doing now. Like she was
saying, use drugs, get kids hooked on drugs. We have a drug
epidemic going on right now, on that nobody's talking about with
fentanyl. I mean, maybe even rivals cracked and you know, the
heroin under 70 of the 70s I think these kinds of things
Gloria Steinem 17 magazine feminism, they were what I think
people underestimate magazines, first of all, magazines, and you
could speak more to this. But I know I was at the very end of
magazines, bye bye for the life of magazines. That is something
that you look forward to every month to come out, you know, so
you can read it in, keep up. It was like passing in a book.
Well, it was the same as The Cosby Show before streaming and,
you know, and, and the nonlinear programming. So you would have
to watch on Thursday. Everybody knew where you were, everybody
knew when the new when the new National Geographic was coming
out. Everybody knew when the Playboy would hit the stands of
course the share consciousness right? Yes it was oh yeah, yeah
so it's going back to the totem spirit meaning of the rabbit she
said one rabbit in their offspring could create a billion
rabbits right? So one rabbit Marilyn Monroe can create
billions of male or more Monroe wannabes. One mega stallion
could create millions of want to be mega stallions. They
understand they said, Let's use women to push these political
ideologies and an inverse out of that we'll have a Gloria Steinem
pushing another toxic form of feminine feminism or femininity.
Let me say that better word and they got both sides covered.
You know who runs play playboy now? No, you don't. I don't. Oh,
Christie and Hefner to have daughter. Oh, yeah, it's and
she's woke. And I thought she was I thought she was gay. I
guess I'm wrong about that. Since she was she's divorced.
Yeah, I know. She'd made a lot of changes that people didn't
like.
Just saying the one place that God could go to be gods. I mean,
that would the Playboy Mansion was still that, um, I don't
think it has the Hey, like now, because like you said, with
social media, there's really no need for a Playboy Mansion.
Instagram is the Playboy Mansion. Now, I mean, you could
prepare.
Oh, yeah. No, it's totally right. It's totally over
totally.
But it had his he had his purpose of bringing in bringing
in a new thought about sexuality. And a case in point
of that is Hugh Hefner's relationship with Alfred Kinsey,
one of the virgins in college that read Kinsey, and believed
him was a guy named Hugh Hefner. He was, yeah. Well, he's he's
Kinsey. And he says, Hey, everybody's been lying to me.
They've all been diddling around doing all this stuff. And I have
been standing here being a nice guy, forget it. I will be and
I'm quoting him, Kinsey's pamphleteer. I will be Kinsey's
pamphlets. So from there, he began to advocate for changes in
law, and he created a magazine called playboy playboy, which
then he said, would reflect what Kinsey had found about human
sexuality is fraudulent his fraud. data in America was
educated by a pedophile, whose work was labeled as science just
as Darwin was the father of legitimizing evolution. Kinsey
was the father of legitimizing the sexual revolution and
all this based upon that today. And sure enough, Hefner was true
to his word. Not only did he popularized pornography on the
global scale, he also helped to legalize it.
Yeah, the Kinsey report, of course, yes.
So this is Judy right around Reisman. And she's been on
Kinsey's tail for a lot a very long time now, she's cropped up
due to the issue with pornography and porn addiction.
And that's what that was from King's work studio documentary
that pull that clip from, but as I was waiting to go start going
back and looking at her, she's been doing this since 1990. And
even before on Kinsey, so I mean, before we get into Kinsey
in her take on him, anything you want to say about him or about
Kinsey Oh, yeah, well,
his report was, was groundbreaking when the first
Kinsey report came out about sexuality. And there's even a TV
series Masters of Sex. I think that that is partially if not
all about Kinsey. But what was controversial? One of the many
controversial things was the Kinsey scale. And this was, I
think it was look here 00 to six, where zero was you were
completely straight and six, you're, you're homosexual. Like,
you can't really imagine having that scale today in today's woke
world, but
could you see that's what I love doing the show with you? Because
all right, well, maybe apropos now. Yeah, right. It's not
binario three or three,
no three on the scale is binary, I guess.
Right. So there's grades of gender and sexuality, this
gradient across the spectrum. Whereas used to be gay, straight
or bisexual, right? I mean, that was the right Oh, yeah,
well Even bisexual took a while for that one to come in.
Right? I'm just saying that nothing that fits even more
fitting now, even the time it came out.
But anyway, there was there was a lot of controversy about
there. I also I believe you participated in the in the
study. So there's a lot of a lot of issues with it. But could
this have been important in this context for? How say how
sexuality was really introduced into the public lexicon? You
bet. You bet.
So let's go. I have a junior Reisman today, just give me
doctor input suspect her name, not the Judas Reisman. This is
1990. A December 5. She's on the phil donahue show.
Fundamentally, all the information on children is based
on sexual abuse of 317 infants and children from two months of
age to 14 years of age, the majority of them, in fact, under
10 years old. Yeah, but
you can't prove that Dr. riesman. And those who preside
at the sex at the Kinsey Institute today are appalled at
the, some might say libelous charges that you make, not only
about the work done by the late Dr. Kinsey, but also by some who
follow him. We should also tell you that Indiana University a
very proud conservative institution of higher learning
in America stands by this institute. And most of the
people who survive today who worked with Dr. Kinsey identify
him as an honorable man who abused nobody touched nobody.
And not surprisingly, it was a subject of controversy on the
occasion of the publication of his book about men in 1948. And
women in 1943 53. You can't prove that he abused children.
I think that the book establishes that there was abuse
that took place without any question. He admitted that
excuse me, he admitted that in the book, and if in fact, it was
admitted that Oh, boy do I wish he said he described nine
technically trained men, he called them technically trained
men who he said were sexually stimming. He said they were they
had had sexual relationships with young boys, and that they
were the source of all of his data.
Hmm, okay. I don't remember that in the TV series. Right.
And you hear how phil donahue is running a protection against for
Kinsey. And it sounds very similar to how Whoopi Goldberg
was running interference for a Roman Polanski. And yet, you
can't prove that, you know, this kind of, obviously, it's even I
mean,
not, not for one way or the other. I mean, we take Wikipedia
for what it is, but it's right there. And Wikipedia says it
right there about the children. There it is, um, I mean,
Wikipedia, you know, they'd like to take stuff off stuff like
this. I'm just saying it's it is there. Yeah, he was researching
children in short shows and observing orgasms in over 300
children aged from two months up to 15 years old.
So how do you? How do you want to think about it, but I'm just
saying now you understand, like, even in 1990. On this isn't just
for people that went around phil donahue was mainstream daytime
television. This is not some, you know, obscure, you know,
clip. This was on mainstream television in the daytime. And
he's clearly running interference for Kinsey and the
University of Indiana, which he calls a conservative University.
So it's not across the spectrum of a liberal conservative
either. You want to get into the second clip? Yes. Oh, sure.
He described screaming and fainting and convulsions. He
described, he described children who were striking what he called
the partner. That was those that was the man who was who was
abusing the children. And then he drew from that conclusion
himself, Phil, from that conclusion himself, that the
children enjoy the experience that's blaming the victim. You
know what that is
this audience you are entitled to have me identify my own bias
here right at the beginning, okay. I admire what the sex the
what the Kinsey Institute does. I am personally familiar with
its director and have worked with her and she has made a very
important contribution to a series that I was proud to have
my name on in 1986. So and not a few people who support Kinsey,
the Kinsey Institute have questioned your credentials.
course they do. I would if I was have the
basement, Phil happens to be the most repudiated PhD in America.
Still sure her work has been rejected by the Justice
Department that ate their $800,000 grant. Now secondly,
Mr. Nice please do The American University also rejected this
study. The meese commission refused decided, and I
don't think you've ever been published. Have you in a
scientific journal? Never. Hey, how about the psychology and
sociobiology? Is that scientific enough to not spend most a good
deal of time writing music for Captain Kangaroo? Oh my god.
Wow, she was there was they brought her on her take her
down. Exactly. And yet all of that, that she saying is
reported here with sources in the book. Mm hmm. That's why
it's in sources. Yeah. Because he wrote about it exactly in his
book. Like, taking him down, like, are you not a PhD? You
might have even been published as you're writing Captain
Kangaroo music.
Very similar to what we're hearing now. Shockley, you're
not a real doctor. Your credentials. What you see when a
struck the power structure wants to protect somebody.
It goes all in.
So now when you look at the other side, and people want to
say, well, we need to protect bill calm, because the net you
know, net net of it is you know, he was good for black people.
why don't why not? I'm not saying let me be very clear. I
am not saying that. But when you see this and hear this
protection of Hugh Hefner of Kinsey, of whoever, Roman
Polanski, we've heard case by case by case by case. Oh,
protecting these mean. But America's dad gotta go. Yeah, it
doesn't. It doesn't mean doesn't make a lot of sense. Either.
Either. Bad or all good. He did something.
He didn't do something right. Not in the club. I don't know.
That's really odd.
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. And
that's for 1990. So let's go ahead and get up to speed with
the almanac, CBS morning on Alfred Kinsey.
And now a page from our Sunday morning Almanac. June
23 1894 125 years ago today, the day sex researcher Alfred
Charles Kinsey was born in Hoboken, New Jersey. A trained
biologist Kinsey achieved fame, even notoriety in the 1940s and
50s with a pair of best selling books about male and female
sexual behavior. Controversial research he defended on
scientific grounds. practically nothing known about women. In
comparison with other animals. Kinsey based his eye opening
findings on 1000s of personal interviews, training his
researchers to first put their subjects at ease, as portrayed
in the 2004 film Kinsey starring Liam Neeson a few years in with
an Oculus questions people forget their giving sex
histories. Many of Kinsey's findings and techniques remain
controversial, including his occasional reliance on the
accounts of admitted child abusers. Still, he's widely
hailed as a trailblazer in a previously taboo field. Alfred
Kinsey died in 1956 at the age of 62. Today, the research he
pioneered continues at the Kinsey Institute at Indiana
University in
Bloomington. take a little look see over their research is
coming along Indiana.
There you have it. That's the that's the show on Bill Cosby
and his counterpart. My final thoughts on this whole
situation? I think there are all answers soon kinky, even
criminal sexual behavior, but it was allowed. And as we've seen
here for some people is still there. Their past is not allowed
to be brought up. But for Bill's case, he was a very useful pass
he are our sacrificial lamb to be taken out for me to to show
that hey, we got one of the big ones. So even steel, he was
allowed to get out. So
that's the blue lake Boulay phone. Most likely, they'd like
us to stop now. They think we've taken this far enough. I think
That might be the big phone that might be the white phone. That's
how it is. All right now what
I mean is like when you start touching on Kinsey in here,
that's a whole different phone rings.
Moe, thank you so much, man. That was great. I was really
really enjoyable. So much fun.
I'm glad you enjoyed Adam and as I always say, pay attention to
everything. And the truth will reveal itself. And we thank you
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getting the hand really want him Look at me right in the face. I
shouldn't know when something's wrong. When I get up in the
morning, you just give a throwaway. I was
just kind of saying fine. Would you be all on the telephone in
the corner? Kind of whispering so I don't hear when you just
didn't mean nothing. When you get to him, you don't take to
him. When you see the sign you don't read it was on the
telephone. Don't kiss back. You just say nothing. When you look
at me, any eyes, don't stay