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more facts with Adam Curry for July 10 2021. This is episode
number 64. Where Have y'all been? We've been waiting for
you.
Yes, we're back with that part two you've been waiting for I'm
Adam Curry in the heart of Texas no country and my friend on the
other end, ladies and gentlemen, the ever on imitable Mr. Mo
facts.
Well, how am I doing? I've been missing, you know, I've been
missing you. That's how I'm doing. How you doing?
I'm doing better.
Sorry for the long delay. But as you know, the show is ready when
it's ready. Yes, I've been down the rabbit hole of all rabbit
holes.
And just dealing with life. So yeah, yeah, this is a well
placed pause in life so we can have this conversation that we
are going to have today. I'm so looking forward to this. We've
started it several times it stopped. There's been technical
issues. There's been life issues. I moved. That was
another issue.
But we're here and I presume, Mo This is going to be we are
people too. This is the follow up to our last episode. Yes, it
definitely did.
I think people didn't know where I was going with the web. And I
got a lot of good feedback from we are people. And I want to
continue to show the relationship between a Megan the
stallion and maxine waters. We looked at the
for
I pun intended, the working side
of the relationship, the women that use their bodies, and I
want to make some clear, the working side can be taken as a
double entendre because women to actually use their physical
bodies for labor, such as claiming the same thing. They
kind of fit on that same side of the common folk. So we're going
to look at the educated side now and also reveal the third party
in the room. I know. I know people have been waiting on
that. So I guess we can jump right in. Do you want to do we
need to roll out the wheel at all just for old?
Ladies, gentlemen, we know where we're going. But still the
absolute topic of mo factions Adam Curry for episode number
64. There's only one person who knows we will find out
collectively The topic is is called w AP. Yes.
All right. All right. I'm very excited. For this moment, I'm
ready for the long haul. And I'm sure even brought in some things
that happened over the past
six weeks or so that may or may have been interesting is that
part of the rabbit hole you went down?
That is boosting
clips, I was moved by your article. And I was so pleased
that you wrote the article for a lot of reasons, oftentimes,
particularly happens with entertainers, they put you in a
box. And somehow they don't see you as a person who has a life
that includes a family, that includes interactions, decisions
that you have to make that has nothing to do with your
performance. And so they don't see you as thinking about the
pipe, for example of black women, or civil rights or any of
these issues. So that's why I was very pleased that you wrote
it. And so when we saw it, we thought, Wow, this is great. And
I'm so pleased, let's, let's writer, let's let's letter, that
we think that that she's doing a great thing and has done a great
thing. And I want you to know that when you you know speak of
yourself and you say maybe you know people think you're being
too controversial, etc, etc. Pay that no attention. There's some
people who don't have courage and don't have confidence. They
don't understand it when they see it in other people. So you
should be proud of that. You should be proud of who you are.
And I know you are not only your talent, but your person who What
do you care about? And what is it that you're doing that is not
only good for you, but it's good for others. So thank you very
much and I'm pleased
Be with you. I'm glad you played this. This kind of brings me
back into where we left off. Yes. So just to bring people up
to speed or if you're listening for the first time
the
last episode and this episode is centered around a quote unquote
conversation between Meghan the stallion, Maxine Waters and a
third party, which I'm willing to unmask. Ask now. Okay,
Caitlin, Caitlin Greenwich so much. Yes. So she's the one that
wrote this article and link these two together. And we're
gonna look into her background. But one thing we didn't discuss
last time we didn't discuss in detail was the name of the
article. And that is Megan the stallion and Representative
waters. Own massage Anwar saying no, and the genes are web. So
that's the full title. Massage Noir. Yes. So I brought him in
with the web but this is what we really got to talk about
that massage and more so that is a
I guess you would call it amalgamation of two words
massage knee and the French word for black right? Yes. So this is
black massage knee.
Wow, I really like I hadn't. I didn't get this term, the first
term massage Noir. I like that. That's that is Yeah.
Everybody took the whap and ran with it and the audacity and ran
with it but this was the hidden
message it's like the payload it's the payload that was in the
in the bomb that and it really is the schedule. It went past
our conscious mind. It slips right into our unconscious mind.
And what this is referring back to what happened with her and
Tori lanes with the shooting incident. And so this is why
Megan the stallion, is it several reasons why she's um, a
great and I uses words respectfully but acid for the
globalist right and and the democratic or liberal
politicians because they can use her.
She's educated school, we're going to talk about that side.
She has sex appeal. And now she also is a victim of a violent
crime from a man. Right. So she gets shot in the foot Was that
it? He Yes. Yes.
Boy ended up in her foot this correct. Allegedly, there's some
there's some cloudiness around that, but this is why they chose
to bring her and just talk about massage Noir. And what I have to
say about that is if we're going to say well massage knee
just the word itself is from whiteness. And you got you're
talking about black and you're being so that's a racist aspect
to it. This is targeted towards black men.
This is the
Latin ah so massage Anwar is black on both sides. Correct.
And that's why holy crap. Yes. Now we see why we're here so we
can go ahead. What I also like to do is go back and talk about
some of the things that Maxi martyr said and we can move on.
She said no confidence. So for women that think they shouldn't
use their bodies in a in a sexual manner to gain attention
or, or clout. You don't have confidence and this is a prime
example of shaming what we talked about sign language
before. From I'm
Kevin Samuels and he's a really lightning rod right now but the
sign language is a abbreviate I mean not abbreviation but a
website. Not abbreviation? what's the word I'm looking for?
What are you saying when you say sign language? Si Si gn.
Each word each letter stands for a word word word, an acronym.
acronym. But yeah, I don't know why this escaped me. But shaming
is
an acronym, sign language. And what she's doing now is shaming
other women. She's not shaming men. She shaming women, they say
if you don't agree with this, then you don't have any
confidence. So confidence is a key point to Audacity. And that
leads us right into clip number three, which is from the last
show redefining female Audacity. audacity
is defined as having the courage to make bold choices or
excessive confidence. It is both of those or either of those.
I define female audacity as having the excessive confidence
a woman needs to make bold choices between two seemingly
conflicting but significant elements of her life, women
are sometimes faced with additional stress, once they
decide to bring a child into the world. How are we defined now?
Are we a nurturing mother? Or are we a career woman?
This seemingly polarizing event in a woman's life can be tragic
and very difficult to deal with.
The dichotomy exists between working career woman and mother.
It exists so powerfully that our culture has labeled it mommy
wars, a war between women simply because they have made different
choices.
Will they have the audacity to forego their family to chase
after their ambitions? Or will they have the audacity
to be a nurturing mother and dedicate themselves to their
children? Either way, it seems to have a negative connotation,
but the fact remains that the war exists.
And this is why this is important because this is
somewhat a treaty in the mommy wars. What you have the career
woman, Maxine, being Maxine Waters, sitting down with the
working woman, or the mothers See, women are divided on this,
what their political what she has her word, the polarizing
event.
Is your question about that? Yes. Because I know how this so
called mommy war plays out with white women mainly. And I would
say it's, it's not at all a war. But that in general, and I'm
just projecting what I what I've witnessed throughout my life in
general, the the stay at home mom
is proud of her choice. And says, you know, it's not the
choice I would make. But go ahead. You can have a career. I
think actually the career white woman is a little more
at war with the stay at home woman than the other way around.
Is that the same? What? Well, war could be one person could
start award up me you're not fighting me? Sure, sure. I'm
just saying I don't know. I would say what you want to say
I'm not put words your mouth. But Wow, understanding if one is
on the offensive? Yes, exactly. In my experience, the career
woman is more on the offensive. Yes. And that their main tactic
is the shaming. See what See, where are we going here? Well,
like Hillary Clinton, she said, I'm not gonna sit at home and
bake apple pies.
Correct. And just like, well, Michelle Obama says she's a
single mom. See, it's a, which was a head scratcher.
If you could pull off both see, and this is the thing, this is
where the audacity and the conflict and the polarizing
events, like dichotomy, all these words you use come into
play. Because if you can balance that working mother, that career
woman that has it all, you know, this mean, the one that has it
all. But you know how this woman said it's polarizing. So to pull
that off, both to go out in the working world, and try to have a
career and be a mom is like,
a very high expectation. Yeah. Well, hell yeah. And it's, it's
a really a form of elitism.
If you can't do both,
yeah. What you can't do both, you're not able to do both
What's wrong with you? Right. And we've heard we've had, we've
had talked about this on shows before the pressures that mom
had, and this is the point of why I'm doing this. I think we
have to, we can't fight this mommy war for women. No. But
what we have to do is let them know that they have our support.
So they can be vocal.
Whether is they feel like they're being and to each his
own. And I know some somebody got really frustrated with me
saying, Ah, good luck. You know, are all the power to you said
women that you'd like that you choose to use their body? If
that's your adult choice, fine. If that's your adult choice to
forego motherhood and be a career woman, that's your
choice. But when I say is the machine that creates these
images and means a women that have all creates mental
unhealthy mental expectations of women? Sure, well, it that's and
yes, of course, I agree. And I think we've talked many times
before that even just the fashion industry creates
unhealthy images for women to aspire to often and this is what
good bring it back to Megan the stallion. This is why she's so
effective because she
has a body image not
typical to the modeling industry? She's a more
forefinger woman. She's educated and what she still can you're
saying she's still fun. I don't have anything personally gets
Megan the stallion. But when you allow yourself to be used, or
maybe it's a Britney Spears situation, he was saying, will
you sign out when you sign on to these things? We need to start
looking at how many stars under what control is interesting.
Last night Tina and I were talking with Michael we're
playing Michael Jackson popped up on the on the playlist. And
it's like he was 40 years old then. And I said, you know,
really, we talked about the chi was kind of similar story to
Britney Spears only different obviously. But he was
but he was on stage when he was five. You know, it gets
literally controlled by his father and you know, and that
carries on like Britney Spears damaged man damaged from the
Disney club, the Mickey Mouse Club. I don't think you can ever
really undo that. I mean, it's that's just who you've been
trained to be. And it's like, it's a it's a system. Yeah, this
is not by happenstance. This is a system where we are okay, I
know I want to hit this right quick. And I'm gonna show you we
don't want ranks number four,
black radio, in any city advertise, it's your kid I want
to be a Disney star bla bla bla bla bring them down to the
convention center so we can poke and prod them right you know,
saying basically, artist you know that because I mean me
having three daughters me and Mr. sfax had to have a serious
conversation like not it's not happening because we were saying
my kids are
blessed with being attractive or cute or whatever you want to
call it. So I'm like, Nah, you're not taking them there to
be picked and they move up a level
it's presented as such a way out isn't it? It's the same with the
Toddlers and Tiaras and it's so attractive for parents because
you feel good oh my kid is beautiful or is wanted or
desirable or is pretty whatever it is and and oh boy I could you
know I could the kid could be on the path could have a career
thinking that that is you know that show business is a groovy
way to go and the Disney machine fees this
you can see it play out in reality TV and this is going
back to Megan the stallion because I want to get the clip
for
her means you got to look at hot girl summer we talked about this
this show 50 to listen to how hot girls summer man created by
making stallion penetrated the culture. And you're saying took
hold. We have Wendy Williams here is talking to a
black woman whose name is India and she's wearing a blonde wig.
Your wig designer? Yeah, you designed the hell out of that
one.
How can I help you India. So my sister kind of had a hacker
summer this summer. She was messing around like three guys.
And now she's pregnant.
My advice so my question to you is how do I advise her without
judging her? Is it your little sister big sister, my older
sister.
And she doesn't know who the father is? Well, she only messed
around with three guys.
What she needs to do is visit each guy. Now she's showing it
No, perfect. Here's the plot.
She's going to visit each guy and take their toothbrushes.
And you get that DNA test done. So that she isn't liquorish goes
back and says who was the father? Who's the father? Who's
the father? Yeah, I understand. Yeah. So she was using no
protection. just screwing around hacker no hot girls. Do that.
See what
you need the DNA test and the best way to do it is to grab the
toothbrush. I love how Jerry Springer became a black woman.
The Ines Jerry Springer set the mold for for the 90s and daytime
television which birthed a whole nother generation. You see I
mean these and this is why I don't get into like the
characters or whatever is what are they pushing and for her to
be pushing hot girls summer
and not laying out I mean real consequences. And maybe Hey,
maybe this
adds to the
75% single parent
in our community, quote unquote community. Yeah. I'm not about
to go all Prager, you all you, but I'm just saying, I'm just
saying is Does this
have an effect on that? And I'm sure it does, but certainly
doesn't seem like just something to laugh and joke about. But you
know, this is why I don't watch Wendy Williams. No, I'm just
saying what this is. Why if whatever mean making give Meghan
the stallion or she comes up with, it will take hold. Yeah,
that's why I'm sounding the alarm. Summary that that crossed
my Twitter several times. And then I think it morphed into
like, hot boys, summer, etc, etc. But hot girl summer was
definitely a thing that I saw too. Yes. So it was broad is
what I'm saying, since black Twitter refuses to connect to
me. They won't let you in. Twitter won't let me see it.
He's got that show. That's enough. Don't give him too much
information.
But I'm just saying that the reason why I brought up the
blonde wig is
this is on, you can choose whatever color hair you want.
Well, I'm just saying the beauty standards that are set by this
machine
chews up women and spits them out. And then on the other side
of that the educational requirements, you know, go to
school, you know, and
don't learn how to have soft skills and these kinds of things
that have excessive competence, which isn't me when I hear a
sense of confidence that makes me think toxic. So it's just a
form of toxic femininity.
I'm just saying that they have the expectation that you need to
have a sense of competence. If I tell young men that they will
say that was toxic masculinity.
Yes. By the way, the the whenever I hear audacity, you
know what pops into my head the first association with that
Obama's book Audacity of Hope. And
sure, it's not an accident. him sure it's not
sure it's not. So now we have to go into a go back to the
conversation between Magnus Dahlia, Maxine Waters, and this
is a clip number five, when I think about you, and you
continuing your education, I said to myself, you know what,
she doesn't have to go to nobody schooling.
She's got it, she's done it, she's got it made. So that is so
absolutely commendable that you continue to focus on education,
when you know, you don't have to have a you know, people go to
school to try to get to where you are. And here you are in
this place. And you're still you know, paying attention. So
that's a very, very commendable, my mother and my great
grandmother passed away recently, but my grandmother is
still alive, and she will work my butt.
Even me at 25, she will work my butt and I dropped out of
college. So I'm like, you know what, I'm not only getting a
degree for myself, I'm getting it for the women in my family
who originally pushed me to go to school. Anyway. That's why I
remember if you had, you know, Grandma, my great grandma, and
mom, and all of that, I know what they say, girl get
educated, because they can't take it out of your head. They
can't take it away from you. If you get that they always say it
right, get
get
get some paper.
That's great. And again, I commend you for continuing to do
that. And now I understand even more, why it's important to you.
You're not just doing it for yourself, you do it for them.
What always worries me is how so many people can listen to the
exact same clip or watch the same video and just come and
walk away with a totally different idea of what was being
said.
The way they place the words, this, this is why these people
are valuable. When you can say something and people can walk
away with it. Like Yeah, and everybody feels like they Oh,
well. Okay, I agree. And I agree. And then two people sit
down and talk about what they heard. And it's like, there's no
agreement between the two people. But they both agree with
her. Right? That's what that is man. No wonder. Maxine in her
80s is still there. You're right. She says she's very
skillful. Because one thing she says is, Oh, you don't have to
go to school anymore, where you're where people wants to go
to school. But then she turns around and says how important
schooling is. Yeah, they can't take it out of your head. Right,
which we won't get to that one because that is a meme of all
means and the black community, um, that get education in your
head, and they can't take it away from me. Oh my god. We're
gonna come back
back to that, because I have something to say about I want to
do it now. But now we've got to do it now. Oh?
Well, I wish that the new black in your head meme would be your
Bitcoin wallet addresses in your head. They can't take your money
away with what's in your head.
Yeah, and that's it's the similar, except this would be
very valuable.
If the government can take away your money can't steal from you,
then you have total control over it. Take it with Bitcoin,
literally, they can take your Bitcoin away. If you've
memorized like, 12 words, it's in your head. Hmm. So anyway,
what that means in your head is like, get Ace, get. Let's just
be, we won't have an honest conversation here. We always do.
But we won't go a little deeper here.
Your degree is your freedom papers. Yes. This is your ticket
to whiteness, oh, not whiteness as in complexion or race or
anything like that to the into the into the system. Right? And
then and it's the same, what I realize is we're not the only
ones that have this, but we're not aware of this. And
at the same time, there's a countering meme that says, if
you're smart, you're weak.
And this is where the the divide comes between these two
communities. We're looking at it on the female side. But
nonetheless,
okay, see me education is a very, I mean, it goes back to
slaves not being allowed to read, it's a very hot button
ticket, and I'm gonna be honest with you. If somebody treats me
like, I'm educated, that is a real
problem, lack of a better word. microaggression. You're saying?
No. And I mean, that in the actual terms of it, like,
No, no, don't play me like, I'm dumb. Mm hmm.
And that's why this is a very sensitive subject for our
people. But
at the same time, what they done is white supremacy, English,
talk about the World War One World Government, if you don't
have papers.
You're not anybody?
Don't you? See? I can say it. Start with us. Yeah.
Yes. Okay. So let me just let me just play this back. So what
you're saying is, your perception is that often,
someone will say something you're assuming or presuming
that you're that you're uneducated, just based upon your
exterior? exterior appearance.
Right. And what that comes in is the it's not I've never had an
overt I Oh, you're dumb, right? I am really comes from the
opposite side of pandering, or the lower expectations.
Real racism isn't? Oh, you know,
real racism is not, you know, we think black people are dumb like
this overtly. Real racism is when you say, Oh, I didn't think
you could do that.
Wow. Okay. And that's
why. So I'm just explaining why this is important. And it's even
more important to black women. And I'm not here to say we
humanize people, but we also got to see where the ideas come
from. So we can truly understand them. And you know, and do away
with them if they're not productive.
So but so getting the papers, degrees also are seen as away
from being liberated from men.
For both black and white women and women of color, because when
you have education, you don't need financially you're not
financially tied to a man. Right?
You know, what to see, you see? Well, there's, there's, there's
one extra
aspect to the education is, we've seen, certainly in the
past three to five years, a lot of young people graduate, they
often have
degrees in areas that really either there's a lot of work for
it like social justice, but in anything else, most young people
come out, look around and say, okay, there's 12 hours, $12 an
hour jobs for me what the hell that I waste all my time in
college for? And that's what men are kind of trying to tell
women. It's like, Don't try to wait for years and $100,000
in debt to go sit in a cubicle. We hate this. I mean, let's be
honest. We hate it. But we do it so we can, you know, put you in
a situation where you can do what you want to I mean, I said
that's in a functioning relationship. Right? I mean,
we're not and then we got to fast forward a little bit but
we're not in the days of where you know, you're at home.
Like barefoot and pregnant women, women are able to do it
both but the key word and let's just go back a little bit, um,
is the career woman. Not the career not the working woman but
the working career woman. Gotcha. you dedicate everything
to your career, because a woman can easily have children and run
two or three small businesses out of her home sure
to be financially independent, or maybe even the breadwinner in
the house. That's not what we're saying. We're saying this rat
race that men go through don't you go to it?
Hey, we're we're in the rat race. Wow. Well, that white man
I don't think think that way about white women.
Really? No, no, I think it's it's so deeply ingrained that
it's like Yes, yes, go Go. Go. Not even for a moment thinking.
You might see it really sucks.
I don't Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think we've gotten to
that point yet. And the other reason is all these weird
ideologies that you learn in these liberal universities, and
we gotta get We gotta move on. We're gonna go back to the movie
black girl in 1972 Brock Peters and Leslie Uggams. I think I
pronounced that and let me just set it up right quick. So we
have the eldest daughters normal fan Ruth fan of mama Rosie, and
she's the mother. And that was her two eldest daughters. Um,
their father returned to town helping to rekindle a
relationship with mama Rosie.
Mama Rosie speaks about her dreams. And we just take it from
there.
Getting into black girls clip number six. Oh, Rosie didn't
tell you but she's done gone to keep in girls every now and
then. First out was just want to Norman ruffians friends that
didn't have no place to stay.
Now every stray alikat in town and found them a good thing.
I don't like that. You get many money for this. I don't want the
money for
let me get this straight. You mean? You just give the girl at
home who ain't got no home just out of the goodness of your
heart.
Those girls like there was my own daughters. Oh, Norma Fey and
Ruth Ann and Billie Jean wasn't enough.
They don't appreciate me like the mother girls do. Maybe if
you would appreciate us more Mama. What is that appreciate
normally? I don't think any yells graduation pictures up
there.
Couldn't keep your dresses down.
Oh, y'all got caught? Yeah.
Wait till June like to shake her tail. She's next. I don't put
don't fake and nominal.
I Excuse me, I wanted I wanted to watch this movie I didn't get
because I know we played some of these clips or clips from
different clips from it. So this is mama Rosie shamy. her two
daughters, because they chose to have children. And I want to be
clear those children were not basters they were married to
their husbands. But they didn't go on and get any education. And
you hear the shaming from mother mama Rosie.
And you hear the their father and ma D My dear, which is I
think just long for modern Medea is spelled the same way without
the AR. I mean with the AR Excuse me, but you hear her
shaman light. I don't see anywhere your graduation
pictures up there. And you hear the term the father use that
y'all got caught, huh? Yeah.
So this is where that feature comes from? The it's the same
thing in society. It's the elitist mentality that education
or formal education puts you in a higher standard in society.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's absolutely true. Sure. And then
the hierarchy on the women's side is educated Mom, you know,
think cuz it's like, it's the hierarchy of your educated
career woman and Mom, you have educated career Mormon without
being a mom. And then you have like, kinda like the mom. And
then you have the, you know,
the woman without like, it's like single month that where she
might be, excuse me, the single mother at the very top, but at
the very bottom of it
is the woman that is married with children, and no formal
education or career.
It's very sad. I mean, like I said, it's one reason why I'm
bringing this up is this is the globalist plan to drive a wedge
between the natural order of men and women. We can both coexist.
Well if you use technology in its proper form, if you use all
the things that the society has
It's not a bad society by no means.
But it's the pressure that they put on through these people like
Megan, the stallion, for the people that Maxine Waters
serves.
The question that immediately pops to mind, I'm maxine waters.
When you say this is the plan, and of course I'm all in, I'm
all in with you. I'm just hearing people saying, well,
who's making this plan? And when did this plan come up? And why
are they doing it? And is it Are they really conscious that
they're doing it when I'm Maxine Waters, I think is very
conscious of what she's doing.
Maxine Waters job is to harness votes to manage this. That's her
only job. She goes out harness votes by being Auntie Maxine,
right but she's got some real we talked about is a
real subversive stuff she saying though? Yes, she sees it worse.
I mean, she's a witch. I mean, like me, and if you want to talk
about witchcraft and the term we use as being controlling, yeah,
she's a mash master witch or, you know, whatever. You have
their ranking grant the Grand Poobah? Yeah, yeah, it's no,
it's no wonder why. And the thing is, and she resonates with
women that target voters because she's done it right. She's ran
the gamut. She has children and she has a career.
Um, but at the same time,
they shouldn't like say it's the shaming is the shaming tactic.
And I'm just going to the root of it by using this movie. You
heard her saying, but it's, and I don't want to dehumanize Mama,
Rosie, Mama, Rosie's coming from the place of if you have
education, then all your choices are your choices, which I don't
disagree with. I don't disagree with that. That's true.
If you have some kind of education, but it's the formal
education I have the problem with, yeah. There's so many
crafts and skills and talents that you got harnessed. I mean,
hell, we're doing it now. I mean, just look at
the breakdown the phone wall for a minute. That's what we're
doing. And it's, well, like I said, I wish to say his
his hard work wearing the pants. We as black people are steady
wrestling for the pants. And we're like, you don't want these
pants Trust me.
In what it does is just makes these people rely on the system
in one way or the other. As you think about it, if you're a
single mother and you're working, what are they pushing?
Well, you have this is very pre pre K. Yeah, this is this is
kind of this is courageous what you're doing here because I
think most
men on I'm sorry, that's not fair to say. I think there's
there's a large segment that are like, Hey, you know what, once
you tried for a while, once you try these pants on where you're
saying, you know, I just want to let you know the pants kind of
suck sometimes.
And to be honest with you, that's what we need this, I
can't say that. I can't, I can say it from my perspective, that
you don't want to have these pants. But what I'm trying to
do, and I hope other men will try to do is this is just my
perspective, make it safe. For women that have went through it
to say that that's not the move, right? You want to do, right?
And then for women that are you know, actually being wives and
mothers, and we come off the bottom, we want to take them
with us, right? It's like you're saying because like we're the
bottom bottom. With that thin layer on top of there. It's just
gonna say black married women happily married women with
children. Like that. That's that thin layer on top of the bottom
called black men. And their shit. They're shamed the most. I
mean, like, I mean, you see, look at look at Candace Owens.
Me and caught me and Candace, I agree with or something I don't
agree with or something. I'm just saying that if she had a
different
message, she would be that she would be the next Oprah.
What message? It's like, No, no, no, she's dark skinned. She's
attractive. All the key points that be woke. You know?
What it's like, Oh, you got the wrong. Wrong Wrong message. Yep,
man.
So we have to shame you and look at the shaming maybe over there.
I mean, that's why I say shame is a
through line through this whole episode, because that's the
number one weapon for control.
AKA witchcraft. It is going early. Oh, wow. It is also the
number one recommended mechanism. Yes, I may read it in
the press all the time politician said we need to call
these people out. They need to be shamed. This was this and
this started with Obama, the shaming the use of the word of
not him necessarily, but during that time period, shaming,
calling, I think Obama was big on cut, we're gonna call you
out. Well, the way I look at is like this. I don't think it
started with Obama. I think Obama came in at the time of
social media.
So social media is the platform for shaming.
What we call canceling roasting
with him. And what happened was the younger crowd that were
computer savvy were more liberal at the time. So they were able
to use these means and other methods to attack and they
caught up quickly. And they perfect they perfected the
mechanism. They learned how to do it. They learned what words
to use, they use how to do it, and to do it in very short
sentences, etc. Right.
You choose to sign as a conservative like I pledge, it
was a pledge or something like all of them had to sign it.
Right. Like they're not like the republican pledge or something.
Yes, that's what I mean. So those What I'm saying is, those
became a pledge online. It's like you got to align to this.
And I'll say the conservatives have the better means. I mean,
they're they are mean masters.
I mean, just look at me as being unbiased. Because it's the the
you have so much hypocrisy. The magic of a meme is the
hypocrisy, right?
So um, let's get that I think we stopped this six. Let's go on to
seven.
Call she's gonna pull me through the you know, when she get her
diploma, she can come back in teach.
Teacher, Mama. For me, you go in the sun white woman's getting to
live with the fan one working there. So what is the sense in
spending all that time and some fancy college just to come out
and work in the kitchen? ain't gonna happen to my
mama. No.
Because she's smart. That's why
she doesn't want all kinds of awards and scholarships, and
they can't mess with you when you're smart.
The spiritualists told me that a child was called make me happy
one day.
Now you can go now you all
know your
dad's a mess.
can't take that away from you. Right here. Yeah, it's the same
thing. Maxine Waters said, Yeah.
Like I said, this is a running, which I'm not dumping on
education. That's not what I'm doing. The problem is, you go
off to these universities. And you trust everything they say,
to be true to all they have to do is poison what they feed you
at the universities to keep you out? No, they don't keep you out
of the universities, they. And really, if you want to think
sinister, you're saying just from a dark place. If you want
to control
pop the people, the population or you know, Stan society, you
put your smartest and brightest and give the classes at a very
young age and you steer them there. And you make sure that
those advanced classes have certain curriculum that are
mandated by the endowments given by the largest philanthropic
organizations in the world. Correct. Because that money is
earmarked. It goes in and says here you go. As long as it's
social justice classes, you can use it. And we saw that with all
these companies coming out black women 10,010,000,000 5 million,
right? Yeah, that's they say you have to come under our
understanding to get this money. And this is where you get
massage noir from. This is where you get hopper bizarre, which is
not a blatten publication or even a black targeted
publication. writing about this stuff.
Yeah, right. They don't want that. They want they want they
want what what Harper's Bazaar, and I have to look into enough
to do a quick check. You own to what Harper's Bazaar wants is
they want they obviously want readers but they want control.
Look at you got all the ends of the spectrum. You got Maxine
Waters on your cover with Megan, the stallion? I mean, how could
you do any better from a commercial standpoint, which I
think is what they're always motivated by? I don't think so.
I don't think what I'm saying is by then, and
I think you brought up something on raaga show, shameless plug
ESG or ETS issues environmental, social corporate governance,
right. That's what these companies are more. And it's not
that what I'm saying specifically, but their
posturing is more important than profits right now. Now, in fact,
what what i what i said on the Rogen show is the ESG, which
includes in climate change and woke thinking, let me just put
it that way, and you can go to the biggest company
In the world and see their ESG Raytheon has great examples. Now
it's in the news.
So the executives of the corporation and shareholders
benefit by adhering to these
really non business goals. to a large degree, we're showing that
they're woke or short showing that they're climate change.
They're on board with climate change, regardless of whether
it's true or not. Because that will have then they're more
investable. When you're more investable, the stock price goes
up the people who are running the corporation win.
And that's exactly why they target black women cuz it's a
double win.
It's so yeah, so it's financially driven for the for
the East Coast and it's
well funded. Wow. Okay. Let me be clear. I'm not talking about
short term profits. I mean, that's what I'm saying. They're
not focused on that. They're focused on being established.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's compartmentalised. I'm sorry. I
think I didn't explain that. Right. The people who were at
Harper's Bazaar, which is owned by Hearst, and hers in Dvorak
knows Hearst very well, and it's it's really about profit. Of
course there's a lot of social justice stuff in there but
that's one level above the excitement for an editorial team
to get maxine waters and Megan, the stallion. They are being
used as my point. Harper's Bazaar is not doing anything out
of their own accord. Right? We can agree on that. I mean, I
want to make sure that the people that made the phone call
to get Meghan the stallion on that cover are not working out
of profits. They're working out of we need to get these her
resume built up new york times as a op ed. Now she has helped
us are is because she's going to be so vague. I mean, and let me
just I'll skip back something real quick with the talk about
education. The reason why they choose a magnet stallion is
cardi B failed. She went too far. She screwed it up. Well,
no, cardi B is seen as not my words Candace Owens worse
illiterate. Yeah.
And that was a bad look. So he like we need somebody that
actually can actually put string 10 words together. Yes. And her
moment was with Anthony Fauci. And that's where she failed.
Well, her mom was was with Joe Biden and even
true truth and that's exactly what they want out of 24 they'll
be talking to whoever the Democratic candidate is will be
talking to my boy Yes, I got you. I got you. We talked about
that. I'm 63 as good as we
were, I'm just saying so that's the whole point of this is we
have to build it so it's all you know, mega she's credible
because she was bizarre. She was on New York time. irregardless,
nobody's going to buy that magazine. Except for maybe Megan
stands. Um, but it's the point of is validates her the same way
a degree validates, you know, it's the same validation
process, of course, the same way. Same way a video on YouTube
with Steve Jobs validates me
putting it out there but and then how Joe Rogan revalidated
me in that that's what we're trying to get away from.
Right We want to say the talent show validates you I mean, and
yours Do you mean you're not saying Oh, you're just famous
for being famous? like Dude, I'm saving podcast two times. I
mean, what did you do this morning?
thing right or, I mean with that's what I try to do here
when we bring that's the problem with this word quick. Beside
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think we started to seven less getting a and we weren't. Okay,
let me set this up for one quick minute. Now okay. Rosie returns
home from talking with her
perfect husband.
And
mama wrote me Excuse me, my dear sister. Something we're off with
her. So they engage in the conversation that kind of turned
South really fast. Rosie young girls a no babies and Nita you
It's a sin for a woman a younger you to be walking around here
burning. God didn't mean for us to burn like that, you know?
interpretated that vibe to you that way, just so he could get
happier than
it was. But nobody else don't have to tell me that when it
comes to nature. That Bible belongs on the shelf. Not
myself.
You know, I know where you got the ideas from.
If I didn't know leaving you with that. Oh,
A woman was gonna make this megaphone you. I'd rather give
Jill away and never seen you again. Yeah, come pretty close
to doing as opposed
to forget babesia Rosie
onto debt. Let me Forget it. Mama.
Morning, noon and night. If it wasn't for your mama leaving
your Daddy, I wouldn't be fooling with him.
was just the beginning. What does she say? You're walking on
here burning? Is that what she said? Yeah. Mama Rosie, what?
Mommy my deal with a hot girl. Oh, okay.
Vernon. Okay, I just had to figure out the slang Got it?
Yeah, what she's mean is like you're saying like horny,
basically.
Um, but this is everybody thinks morality is linear, right? It
was like super moral. And we just kind of drifted down like
in a linear fashion to depravity or wherever we're at now. Um,
no, that's not how it works. Like we had this weird fault and
I'm going somewhere so you got to follow me. Okay, so my dear
is Rosie's Mama. And the girls, the daughters. The one had kids
and the one that likes to dance grandma.
So she went and left mama Rosie with her Auntie while she was
out being hot.
Now she has to come back and live with mama Rosie and she got
Aroha live in boyfriend that pays her rent for her.
Now you see now she's like well, I got needs he was saying at the
same time mama Rosie looking at like her mama like you left me
and you don't only have nowhere to live
and you still worried about a man?
Do you see these dynamics playing out and the thing is if
you do the age right. My idea would be a flapper
fly for me. A flapper clapper. clapper is basically what like a
hot girl is back in the 1920s he's like wearing this 100 year
fold.
Ha
Yeah, well, yeah, that's it. That's an interesting way of the
fold. Yeah.
So the 1920s the roaring 20s.
The Wild 20s that's where we're at right now. flappers were a
generation of young Western women in the 1920s, who wore
shirt skirts. Knee height was considered short mob their hair
listened to jazz which was you know, which was the Megane which
was the cardi B of the time, or perceived as such, and flaunted
their disdain for what was then of course drugs. It was then
considered acceptable behavior. flappers were seen as brash for
wearing excessive makeup drinking alcohol. Okay, I got I
got I got you covered.
The quintessential symbol of the 1920s. You can recognize them
immediately by their fashion, their dancing and their sex
appeal. But Who were they? How did they become flappers? Let's
find out.
The origins of the word flapper are a little bit foggy and since
it originated in slang, but some sources say that flapper was
once used to refer to young prostitutes in England and
developed into a word referring to excitable teenage girls.
The rise of the American flapper had its beginnings in the social
climate at the end of World War One. It had been a brutal,
bloody war that had killed millions of people often
pointlessly Following the war, a massive Spanish flu pandemic
swept the world was the deadliest in human history while
killing millions of others. Many began to realize that their life
could be much shorter than they realized. They could die for
reasons completely beyond their control. Young people especially
took this to heart. Those who are in the prime of their life
opted for fun and pleasure instead of wallowing in the woes
of their situation. Wow, important clip, very important
clip for in any context of this period. This is I see this
happening. This is only fans This is everything the pandemic
bowl my good, right, exactly, exactly. And we've and we just
ended the war. 20 Years War ended a war and we've gone
through a pandemic, and I'm everybody not great. Let
everybody know now we're going to experience experience a
sexual tsunami.
The I believe you I was drawn now oh is drive drunk. And
everybody's gonna walk up to see when water go. As soon as they
say it's open back up. 100% you're about to see something
that you net. Well, we've seen it before. And this is why we do
this show because you had to look backwards to see for it.
Holy crap, this good Mo. I love this. And this is why my dear,
you're saying she left her child.
He lines up with flapper age. And
this is the attitude that had. And to give you an idea of a
black flapper, think should Avery from the color purple.
That's just to give you an idea and we're going to go deeper and
explore deeper into f shirt every but let's continue on with
a flapper to women were finally able to vote in the 1920
presidential election, allowing them to have more influence in
shaping their society. Women were also better able to get
jobs by the 1920s. And they could often earn enough money to
be self sufficient and spend their money however they want to
do.
A little bit earlier that same year, the 18th amendment had
also passed which prohibited the production, sale and
transportation of alcohol. The prohibition movement had been
championed in large part by progressives as well as
religious leaders who believe that alcohol was a poison and
society
flappers to to drinking alcohol partly because it was illegal
and therefore exciting, and it also contributed to their devil
may care attitude.
Women's increasing freedom and the youth who are looking to get
the best out of life began to lead to the creation of the
flapper. flappers were a direct challenge to the conservatism of
the Victorian and Edwardian era of so many young women no longer
wanted to be confined to a tight fitting corset will be
restricted only to formal ballroom dancing. They wanted to
express their newfound desire for pleasure and all of its
forms.
The development of flappers was also helped along with the
growing movie culture of the late 1910s and early 1920s. The
glamour of Hollywood with all this hedonistic glory, it was a
constant beacon for young people, actresses wear makeup,
or something which had previously been associated with
prostitutes. But now it was a symbol of glamour and the
freedom to look as one one.
Let me give you the analogy. I love this. tripping me up the
analogy, the only thing that's changed so we had the war World
War One, right, we had Afghanistan, you could name five
other wars.
We had, we had the pandemic, which the same as the flu
pandemic. Except it's not Hollywood is Tick tock, and it's
Instagram, social media. We haven't had social media for
even 20 years yet, right? We're still I mean, what 2007 maybe
Twitter and Facebook both came on the scene and YouTube in the
2006 to 2008 timeframe. You cannot count social media pre
smartphone. There was a lot of people wasn't really into it.
But I'm saying like the maybe the smartphone might be the new
technology for the iPhone. The iPhone came out. And yes, I
think the iPhone came out in 2007. Yes, that's that's why I'm
going off of because that would that's the portal. Yeah, I mean,
there's social media and message board has always existed. But we
can pipe right into your like television with those 1950s June
2020s with movies and June 28 2007. So right, right around
this time, too. Yeah, so we're 16 years in
now. 15 years. 614 years. Excuse me. Oh, so yeah.
We're,
I think we're heading for another 20 I mean, these 20 but
you see it lining up and the thing with makeup, it's about
who you want to be. And I know people like where are you going
with this but we have to go look back and I don't care where
you're going. I'm just holding on for dear life. We have to go
back and look at mama Rosie's and my dears relationship.
She didn't do what she needed to do in life and now she's a
burden quote unquote burden on her daughter. I mean, we have
these what's going to be a lot of combined living within family
structure being disrupted away it is we live in and I want this
raw say this. This is the biggest fantasy that we have. We
live in a to paycheck society.
Get that through your head, whether it's a roommate, whether
it's whoever is a mother and daughter living together, it
doesn't matter. There's practically no way you can
afford anything without a two paycheck. Master trick because
this independence they sell you is you're gonna have to live
with somebody.
Right? Very few people make enough money. And what I mean by
few is percentage wise, that can pay everything they want to pay
and live the life of
conspicuous consumption anyone participating.
True.
So I mean, I just wanted me I just want to lay that out there
and one more fun fact isn't amazing how the course set was a
Asana restriction. And now it's like the the one symbolism like
have sex work. Yeah, you want Yeah, well, you want to have
that really tight corset for
For the curves, but these women flapper we're trying to shed
that. That is interesting. That's crazy, right? I just
thought I mean, it said the fun fact I thought that kind of
interesting. Oh,
let's move on to number 11 was still a prototype for the
flapper that was to appear in the following years. Thomas's
character shows all the basic characteristics, longing for
pleasure and fun, and drastically changing her fashion
and appearance. She even tried smoking a cigarette for the
first time, something that was also related to flappers because
it was a symbol of freedom. Music was also important in the
development of the collaborating, jazz music had
emerged largely in black communities, particularly in New
Orleans, and the previous decades. After the first jazz
records were recorded by the original Dixieland jazz band in
1917. The trend caught fire across the country or an earlier
prototype of the flapper attitude can be seen in singers
such as Marian Harris, who transitioned into an early jazz
vocalist beginning around 1917. Her showy jazz tunes filled with
personality or channel that helped to further bring jazz to
white communities.
Jazz became a staple for flappers because it was fast,
fun and great for dancing. It was also stormed by the older
generation for being too risky and too closely associated with
black communities. Jazz was not just music, but also a social
force. The ideal setting for a flapper would be dancing to fast
jazz music while wearing a short dress and drinking illegal
alcohol and smoking cigarettes. This was the epitome of
rebellion at that time.
Using rebel rebellion have been a common theme seen in every
generation since the 1920s. Just in different forms.
Enter the torque
and trap and trap yes and tick tock tick tock dances the work
done to what trap Yep.
It's the sign in as he said it's a channel jazz was a channel
into white communities
while making this even more valuable, because she makes the
music that the tick tock is made to comment they have a really
sophisticated the whole process have it took them 100 years, but
they really got it down now. They have it well. And the thing
was, this is the first time ever that marketing to youth
rebellion was unpopular, but it's been used ever since
1920s 1950s 1967. You know, at every is all about the youth
everything is targeted towards the youth rebellion
which is not a controlled opposition.
Yes, and that's I would say that probably really started with in
this era
with MTV bt I think that's the only one Oh, wait. Rap to hip
hop rap. Yeah, well rap. Yes, exactly.
Was the shift because mean before I mean, most time we look
at older artists, they were adults even in like Aretha
Franklin and, you know, people that may were adults in their,
you know, in their prime route was the first time where you
actually targeted young children to
be the you know, the leaders of the music, and you could even
excuse me and take it back a little further. You one could
argue Michael Jackson started with the crotch grabbing,
emulated by Madonna and I'm bad yeah I'm good Yeah. And it kind
of went from there you know
so although arguably Elvis Elvis the pelvis Presley was also
using versions of that with black
it goes back from 1920s that was the beginning every now I'm just
going back in my head I'm thinking about okay that was
that that was that there was that and here we are yeah
fantastic.
Wish they always do that you know they always emulate what's
what's happened on in black culture.
And I got a reason for at least understanding why they think
that is but the ghosts who I flapper and well we might
understand why I don't know if you remember her name was sugar
Avery in the movie Color Purple. Okay, here this is very, very
important
that I come clean on this. I don't think we've discussed it.
I have not read the book. I have not seen the movie it. It all
came out at a time when I was doing other things wasn't paying
attention. I have never gotten around to it. So I don't even
know the plotline. Yeah, well great. I'll give it to you in
like one minute. So basically you have Sealy which is sold off
to Mr. And it like an arranged marriage. Mister basically use
her for this. This is how they portray it. Use her for domestic
labor and to
for his sexual needs.
But he's always loved a woman named Avery who was a flapper
ideal flapper.
Sung and juke joints and patch children similar and didn't take
care of them similar to my dear so she was a woman of the
streets
episode they end up moving in he moves should Abraham in the
house with him and steely and then they form a bond would they
be fit first but then they form of bond I guess Mr. So it's a
symbolic of what this whole episode is
this is where he mister wishes he
I don't want to really get into that but he's like the
prototypical bad guy and Tyler Perry movies now by this really
bad black man wishes really is funny His name is Mr. One short
letter different from Master but don't let that be lost.
So you have color purple should everyone
goddamnit Listen man what you crazy
week little boy cave they know you know me. I need
you here.
Now no goddamn sinkin path
get that thing make me something to eat.
I'm making myself.
So this is her he brought her into the house with him and
I use the word wife but Sealy the woman that he was like
basically using a mother whose children and even then the
flapper was like custom both of them out. So the reason why I
brought this up is
these women that control can show their sex appeal and you're
saying controller man through their no sexual abilities.
They live in a different world attractive women live in a
different world, you know, saying I mean that. This is why
I say this be politically correct.
You'll see two women talking and want to be extremely more
attractive than the other. But then the other one won't be
honest, the pretty well won't be honest with the average looking.
Because I know you know, you know you're keen to hear your
nine to know You go girl. You probably
slay queen. Yes. Right? Yeah. So what I'm saying is this goes
back and I know people might be get frustrated with me. But it's
this mentality of the media, my enemy here is I can't be honest
with you. My number one target is Mickey Mouse. Right? He got
to go.
Mickey Mouse got to go. I mean, cuz he's pumping out a lot of
negative negative energy. Um, and the expectation women think
they should have.
Well, maybe I'm making Mickey Mouse owns your ESPN. So you
know, you got a long way to go before the mouse is gone. Right.
And this works that we all have to do all have to stand up to
the mouse when the mouse is running stuff right now. I'm
gonna write that down.
Now we have to simplify it right? We have to win in these
meme wars. And they say Disney and ABC and ABC. No Mickey
Mouse, Mickey Mouse got to go.
But
not to get too far off track. What I'm just saying is
when you're pretty, that's a privilege, I'm just gonna say.
And it being a privilege, no different than white privilege
or genetic privilege or these other things, but not to
acknowledge it that it benefits you certain, you know, luxuries
in life is dishonest.
That's why I play that clip. Sure. So, but I'm also pointing
a pit laying out a picture of what their flappers look like
because when we look forward, this is what we're going to see
the downfall of being a flapper. So now we have Sean Avery. She's
taking a bath now I see Lee's pouring her bath and taking care
of her. Now let me make clear the woman of the house is taking
care of the other woman in her house. And they're both getting
crapped out to him. Yeah, this doesn't seem like a healthy
situation. It does not
get her seen a naked woman. Have
you got any children?
Yes, ma'am me. I ain't bad
for you
You I wear my own goddamn business I feel just fine Just
give me some bubbling oil and put it in this jug
was my mom
never know the child to come out right?
So they just go to show you even more that the privilege and I
know people like where are you going to smile but the color
purple itself is one of the major means and black society.
They shape the law. I mean because we're talking about the
technology thing all this relates, so just just hang on
for a second.
The the technology of the 80s was the VCR. Yes, sir. You were
able to bring every movie into your house.
And people will sit down and watch this movie three, four
times a day.
Wow. or once a weekend or we played on every weekend on bt it
was a it was constantly being pumped and pumped and pumped.
Because you don't have any television I mean, okay, but you
know, you have to watch movement and VHS was a big thing. And
this came at the right time with VHS. So they were married to get
together perfectly. And and back then that was a lot of means
that this to this day or this band Boogey Man black man of
this sisterhood between the beautiful woman is down on her
luck and resourceful, but less attractive woman and like we can
come together and defeat him.
Oh, that's an important one.
Yeah, that's an important we going back to
Wow, very cool. Right now we're coming back to the mommy wars
and making the stallion and Maxine Waters coming together.
This is this. This is just another iteration of that
symbolism
that we can't be divided. We can't have mobs against working
women. So we got to be combined. So we can Oh yeah, it's been
going on for a long time this. Yes.
This has and the reason why I brought up it being a meme is
that in the flapper clips came out the cigarettes, right? So
we've heard we've talked about this before the torches of
freedom, but I want to go a little bit more in depth with
it. And I have a clip from the man himself. Edward Bernays all
and he says cigarettes to women are torches of freedom one wild
disapproving of women who smoked men began to take up smoking and
increasing numbers, partly because of flood of
advertisements in what was America's newest mass medium
national magazines made smoking attractive. These ads evoke the
symbolic values many men already associated with cigarettes,
sexual appeal, sophistication, pleasure, but they failed to
persuade women to risk the disapproval of their menfolk by
taking up cigarettes. Even George Washington Hill, the
advertising genius who made lucky strikes, America's best
selling cigarettes, couldn't figure out how to break through
the social barriers that kept women from smoking. So he turned
to a public relations genius Edward Bernays, he said, we have
a problem. We're losing half the market in America, because there
is a taboo against women, women smoking, particularly smoking in
the streets.
He said I want your help on that.
So I said before I can offer you a suggestion or recommendation.
I would like your authority to visit Dr. aa Brill, who is the
leading psycho analyst of his time. So I went to the doctor.
And I said, Can you tell me
what cigarettes mean to women?
Love the Bernays story in which you just mentioned that he his
uncle was Sigmund Freud. So it ran in the family knowing this
the psycho semantics of it. He went and talked to Dr. A Brill
leading psycho analysts. So this is how I
bring up bring forward to the future. I mean to the President.
These people do these studies. How do we reach this
demographic? How do we reach these women? How do we play on
their insecurities, you know when
mean I'm gonna say this which is I can speak this from the Masada
products are sold to men different than women.
And I find it disgusting the way they sell products to women,
right? I mean they would never approach a man the same way they
would women when they're trying to sell a product. They usually
say man, you're great. Now you want to be better
get this drink this beer drive this car right? Women are you
ugly? Are you fat? Look at your flat hair. Look at your no hair.
Don't you hate your hair color? I don't hate the way you look by
this makeup
all the makeup may just combat by this cream.
That cream just came out by this or this and what happened? And
you think it might be crazy. But look, get the level of expertise
they used to sell you death aka a cigarette. Well, what's what's
interesting about now versus then where they went to a Brill
and said, Now I and I'm just probably in your next clip, so I
won't spoil it. And he said, Okay, this is how you make it
work. This is why it'll work today, that is tested on every
individual, maybe 25, maybe 100 times a day with algorithmic
programming. Did you did
okay, did the person respond to this? They scroll past it. Did
they tap into the going deeper? Okay, that works. Go back add
some more of that. I mean, that's completely how the
algorithms work. So they can continuously target you as an
individual.
Yes.
They have everybody has their own little individual doctor a
bro basically, is how do we say when we say how do we how do we
sell this to this person or they or anything in general? Sure.
Alright, so let's discuss this more on the backside of 15. So I
went to Dr. Burrell and I said, Can you tell me
what cigarettes mean to women?
And as quick is that he said cigarettes to women are torches
of freedom
that they use, to dramatize to their objection to the taboo
against smoking by men.
And then he added as an afterthought,
and they titillate the erogenous zones of the lips.
So I left and wondered what to do with that information. And I
decided we would get debutantes to light torches of freedom in
the Easter Parade, to protest man's inhumanity to women, by
the taboo against smoking.
within six weeks, smoking became an accepted pattern for women
throughout the United States.
Six weeks I love that and I believe that this thinking that
and I was in advertising, public relations, more all of this
that really started the mindset of how we control people. I
mean, I've met so many psychologists and psychiatrists
in the advertising world, you will be blown away and what is
control rather than a wish witchcraft.
And I know people will say Oh, he loaded the witchcraft. Okay.
Call me crazy, but they use the Easter Day Parade. Bar ish dar
Tara Day Parade. There it is. women talk to torches of
freedom, which the Statue of Liberty represents. Libertas,
aka Ishtar.
Now for those other gods Yeah, explain Ishtar for those who
would know that is Easter that's the mother goddess that's the
goddess of fertility. Who you can we really celebrate on
Easter
that's where the eggs and monies come from. See that's why I said
this stuff goes right past our conscious right through our
subconscious and six weeks later, smoking the phenomenon.
Isn't that crazy? You think there's not any esoteric
playing in there Come on. I will certainly I think it was
certainly seen as
as as a incredible it probably is a demand that's witchcraft.
Let's use it again. I think everyone's like, okay, whatever
that is it's working with this not get all the spooky with the
it's just control. Yeah, okay.
coven of witches got together. So how can we sell women this
deadly product they sent home let's conjure up something.
Let's call on torture to freedom. Cool. Okay.
All right. And that's just how it happens. And then it becomes
a meme. And then now you're 66 What was it? 1990s 67 years
later you have women dying of lung cancer. And then the spell.
The spell would be the actual marketing words that were used
for the freedom. That's why I caught on right. So he gave me
the idea and then ever Bernays
manifest the idea. Because I okay towards the freedom what I
do with that he put the imagery to it. He was the direct
messaging, because they did basically
Bernays called friends at Vogue magazine to get a list of the
debutantes.
And then he had his secretary, Bertha hunt, sign and send a
personalized telegram to each one. So there was a woman
which was by itself.
very novel at the time, and here's Yeah, here's the here's
the message in the interest of equality of the sexes and to
fight another sex taboo. I and other young women will light
another torch of freedom by smoking cigarettes while
strolling on Fifth Avenue Easter Sunday. Oh, yeah, shoulders.
strolling Yep, stroll to the pole. We are doing this to
combat the silly prejudice that the cigarette is suitable for
the home the restaurant, the taxicab, the theater lobby, but
never No, never for the sidewalk. Women smokers and
their escorts will stroll from 48 Street to 54th Street on
Fifth Avenue between 1130 and one o'clock. And of course, it
made front page news and
in the media did their job and was off to the races and NASCAR
and the cigarette advertising sword.
And the whole time, man, we're probably saying I'm just
speculating here. That's a disgusting habit. And if I
could, I would kick it myself. So I want you to promise I know
what we want. We want lung cancer to
know like, No, you don't want those pants. Ladies, I'm telling
you. My mom smoked when she was pregnant with me.
My
most of the women in my family smoked, and they all hated it. I
mean, it was it wasn't like, enjoy. No, no, it was always I'm
gonna have to have to kick this habit. I gotta stop this
ranking, right. So the reason why I'm talking about the the
sources of freedom is in the means. Now we got to go back to
the color purple. And we have to actually listen in to commerce,
our interview with Margaret Avery, she's the one to actually
play the is the one that actually played. She Avery she's
being interviewed by Margaret Avery, sorry about that. And
this is a very obscure
interview I found, but I want you to listen to how big
important Color Purple was at that time and the messages that
it pushed, we must do entertainment with
responsibility, what people are willing to read comfortably in
their own private space. And what they can see on the screen
comfortably are two different things. And myself as a mother
of an 11 year old,
I was just relieved when I found out that certain things would
not be filmed.
I wouldn't have as a person been comfortable. I don't think that
the it was necessary to explore everything explicitly. That was
in the book. People got the message. And I think it was done
with taste and I'm real proud. And over
and over all, Margaret, what would you like to say to black
people? Because still some black people are saying that, you
know, the film demeans blacks. So what what would you like them
to understand? I'll show you
before you answer that,
no,
all seriousness, but I would it was one cover. Before we get
back to the phone, I gotta get the ISO cuz
I meant to get that I knew it was something I was missing from
the show. But, um, let's just talk about reading, for
instance. And this is why it's also important about the lady
that wrote this article, she's an author. So reading is a very
intimate channel that you currently read and you create
the world in your mind, right? This is a very good way to
target black women of the two sexes and on the black side, or
the so called black side. The women, the women forum
are the readers, you know, to sit out read for leisure. Sure.
So a lot of
These messages was pumped through books, the color purple
being one of them. And a lot of these ideas
it was massage and water before it was actually termed, this
would be the epitome of it. And a lot of people felt like it was
problematic and it also pushed the boundaries on black
sexuality as well. Because in the book, should Avery and see
we had a a had a sexual relationship. Now that's why
Bobby
Why can't was saying she's glad that they didn't have to explore
all that in the movie because she thought it would be too
much. And she would actually had
she actually had reservations about doing the movie now let's
be honest here. Who is the people behind the movie? Steven
Spielberg?
Yes. And Oprah right and I even told this woman that she had
they came away and
it's a very fascinating interview how much she had to go
through in getting prepared for this character. So um, but then
the question came about the black people our perception of
the of the movie in the booth a phone ring.
Now this was a print interview right? That's why the sound is
off. This is just her arc her archive of all the people she's
interviewed. Well, it's actually recorded but I don't know if she
was it was printed or not. But she's gonna pick up the question
Where are we gonna start right with the doula a phone rang and
then we're going to pick up on the question so the original
question was
can we hear the last thing I want to get the
full question in context? Yeah, of course of course we can to
black people, because still some black people are saying that you
know that the film demeans blacks. So what what would you
like them to understand?
Hello, this is Bob boulais. I got a little information for you
before you answer the question. Okay, so the feeling that that
means black folks was when the boom a phone rang right and they
had to get it so we can go into 17
Next, excuse me, and overall Margaret, what would you like to
say to black people because still some black people are
saying that you know the film demeans blacks. So what what
would you like them to understand? I'll show you
Okay, I'll pick up my question again.
Margaret, I know you must be aware that there are still some
black people who feel uncomfortable with the color
purple feel that it demeans blacks particularly black men.
Now, what would you like them
The film was not a documentary
in order to represent a people, it must be all factual and this
was an entertaining piece taken from a fiction book, I do
understand why the controversy and that is because we as black
people do not see our in images often on film, once we get the
experience of having many images and positive negative such as
our Anglo counterparts, then we will not think of it as
representative of us, you when you see your the dragon was also
a controversial issue and I think it was for the same
reasons.
Because when you see your image, so seldom you expect it to
represent you and a film cannot be entertaining and be burdened
with that responsibility. Okay.
So you heard the question was changed after the Boulez
smokes about black man not black people, um, and people
understood that this character mister was going to be a
problem. And Fast Forward she was talking about bra
representation once we started to get more images of ourselves
more movies made, but in most archetypes when is blood, black,
completely black movie, the black man aren't saving people.
And very few cases, he's the he's the problem. He's the bad
guy, right? I mean, look at Tyler Perry. He's made a billion
dollars off of this, of this
archetype format. This format is really a formula
and lack of lack of a better word. So I just want to put that
out there that these movies these images, you think you're
going to get better representation but we still see
our women when I say are women, women in general and black women
specifically are lead with sex sex sales, you know, you're not
gonna get a why representation around
Women, right? It's gonna be one of one of three, right? You're
going to need to be mammy, you're going to be, you're
saying some kind of sexual object, or you're going to be
this might just difficult person. And I mean, if you look
at what was the scandal, that's a perfect perfect representation
of that is just this focus on career focused on myself kind of
archetype. So,
I say all this to say that
just what you said about ESG
is the thing, the outcome coin is called conspicuous
consciousness.
Right?
This is what woke is, this is the best way to define wealth.
And do you know what conspicuous consumption is. So we have to
look at that term to understand to speak with consciousness. For
the most part, I think it is safe to say that we are all
consumers. Unless you are the person that lives completely off
the grid away from society and are completely self sustaining,
it is likely that you are a consumer, we all use a purchase
some goods or services at some point in time, it is up to us as
individuals to decide what type of consumer we want to be.
As a journey towards financial freedom, I can see you to
revisit this question in my mind, what type of consumer do I
want to be? So what exactly is conspicuous consumption?
conspicuous consumption is the purchasing of luxury or
expensive goods and services, in an effort to show people how
much you have, or in an effort to display a certain type of
wealth.
The problem comes in because the majority of people who are
conspicuous consumers are actually not wealthy. Now, some
of these conspicuous consumers may be high income earners, they
bring in a good income, they make good money, but they are
constantly spending that money in an effort to show people how
much they have. So in essence, these types of conspicuous
consumers are slaves to their job to their paycheck to those
hours that they need to work in order to continue to make their
money so that they can spend it. Now it is my belief that
conspicuous consumers come in all shapes, sizes and colors.
But traditionally, you might have heard this before the
majority of conspicuous consumers are minorities. Now, I
don't know whether you agree with this or not. And the data,
I think is inconsistent.
Well, conspicuous consumption, cc, it's, it's interesting how
Gucci has to season it. Yes.
But conspicuous consumption is the buying things that other
people can see him right. Yeah, so conspicuous consciousness. He
woke is I'm doing this so I seem conscious. Right? So I seem like
I'm aware. Um, um, you know, what it's for other people to
see. And this is what you're explaining with the ESV and I
like I like this a lot better than virtue signal. I think this
is this is much much richer term and much richer term. Because
he's like, Look at me, look how woke I am. Look out. Hi, I
understand black people. It's not out of understanding black
people. It's for under it's for your benefit. All right, it's
like it's just another product to buy. Um, it's just another
you know, way to make yourself elite. And these people come
into our communities are so our, our side our race, where you
want to say, I know you hate that word community, but it's
really, it's a consciousness, right? I mean, that's what we
call what we first who is communities to share
consciousness. And they want to tap into that for their own
personal gains.
If you follow along, yeah, no, I Yes, I am. And simultaneously,
I'm reading about the guy who coined the term, a sociologist,
of course, Thurman vert Veblen, of course, these were these
terms come from 1899 my brother, this is 100 120 years ago. This
is great. That's what we're saying. And
the reason why like with our producers, and what we do here
our sales This is not for vanity, right? We come here to
gain understanding from each other and then people sharing
that by listening and you know, and and supporting, but it's not
to say oh, I support mo and Adam right just like to you know, to
like gain kudos is actually they're doing the work. So,
that's the counter to conspicuous consumption
actually, trying to gain understanding with someone for
your for your mutual benefit.
I have to, you know, after the show, and for the next few
weeks, I'm gonna have to think about
The overlap between value for value as we as we talk about it.
And of course, I see it differently. But there's for
sure there's, there's it's giving me some clarity on on the
mechanism, I, you know, we just see it as,
here's a product, we believe it has value. It's more of price
discovery than anything, if you like it, just to attach a value
to us and let us know, you know what that was, and send it to
us. And that's, that's the value exchange, we're just not
blocking anybody in. But let me be clear what I'm saying. And
what I'm saying is, some people might be like, Oh, that's a
black guy, white guy going together that shows progress.
Let me
find value in the conversation. And then the top is that we
wrote, and it's like, oh, I actually found value in that.
And that's the difference, right? conspicuous consumption.
If you buy something, at its price point, whatever you decide
that would be best to the consumer, to be worth is valued.
And it's not conspicuous, right? It's like it's a need, or
something that you're saying. But if you say, I know, this is
a poorly made pair of shoes, but because everybody else values
it, I'm gonna pay $200 for it, right looks very different. Yes,
it's no different
on that, you know, just so it's clear that however, I want
everyone to feel free to see this show, as a $500 pair of
Nikes. Just send us that, that'd be great. We are just some, some
some fancy Nikes here, that's where we are.
Alright, so speaking of wit, I think this would be a good time
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now I know how she felt. Just like those who have to
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That's what we're doing right here.
Wow, I got the cane with the heat. Oh, I just want to say one
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well, I can't say we That's what I'm saying. And these episodes
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you're more than just someone to sell products to, you're more
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I was an absolute corporate whore. I sold Budweiser and
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I so we came out of a wit conspicuous consciousness. And
we have to look at is Harlem because Harlem in the night
saints when he was the ground zero jazz music knew what was
ground zero for flappers. And we know Harlem was
famously known for the black Harlem Renaissance. So we have
to go and look back and see who was conspicuously consuming
speakers Lee consuming consciousness at the time, and
there's another meme called Miss Anne in the black community. I'm
delighted to welcome Carla Kaplan to the program. And her
latest book, Miss Anne in Harlem, the white women of the
black Renaissance has just been published by Harper Collins, a
lots been written about the African American artists,
writers, entertainers and intellectuals who burst onto the
public scene during the Harlem Renaissance of the 1920s to the
mid 30s. Also well documented are the white men who encouraged
this outpouring of creativity and energy with their money and
influence. But what about the white women who were so drawn to
what was happening in Harlem, that they risked the derision of
their families to be a part of it, what they brought to Harlem,
and what they gained from it is the subject of Carla Kaplan's
book and our discussion today. Welcome. Thank you. So why a
book about the white women of the Harlem Renaissance? Well,
the first answer, the simplest answer is it's an untold story.
It was the last untold story really, of the Harlem
Renaissance and a story we didn't have at all. These were
women who were, as you say, risking extraordinary derision,
but also who were doing something that in their day was
considered unthinkable, choosing blackness over whiteness in the
1920s. And for so long, that choice ended up in some ways
making this an untold story. So the first reason to tell the
story is we needed it to fill out the rest of our history.
Okay, so I love this show.
Because only unmowed facts with Adam Curry, will you hear the
genesis of Karen?
Miss Anne has got to be the Karen of her day.
Well, Karen and Miss Aaron's look a little different, a
little different. Well, Miss Eric and up and Karen. So let's
just be clear, but
And is the steering hand behind the female steering hand behind
black movements, right? So these people came into Harlem, we're
gonna go through I think like three of them. And we're gonna
explore what happened in Harlem and look forward and see who
could possibly be the Miss and now staring the pot in these
conversations that you see with a mega stallion and Maxine
Waters, and Caitlin Greenwich, who who rubber stamp that?
Who gave their approval? I mean, they're not moving autonomously.
So I don't have an answer for that this year. Maybe they
outsource Miss. And to Caitlin Greenwich, that'll be a
possibility, then the best missed the best Miss Anne is a
black massager. Sure. Because they're very, they can be very
fly under the radar. So we have to go back. And like I said,
1920s were the origination of this. The youth movement are
pushing change through youth, and one of it is Harlem. So
we're gonna go through these clips. So let's go ahead and get
into them. Miss and
Miss Ann, where does the term come from? So as far as we know,
and I've done a lot of work trying to figure out where that
term first came from. It seems to have been a term coined well
before the Harlem Renaissance by black female, Southern domestic
workers, who were stuck in the kitchens of white women
employers for 12 hours a day, 14 hours a day, sometimes 17 and 19
hours a day, and could not afford to deride or disrespect
those women to their faces. They were employers, but behind their
back, they could refer to them categorically and dismiss them
as missing. Yes. And so it's the counterpart to Mr. Charlie and
Mr. Eddie, which are also derisive terms for white folks.
Okay. You chose about what there are a number of Miss Ann's in
our book, but you concentrated on maybe about a half dozen or
so of them.
The women are each fascinating in different ways. But was there
something that they all had in common? There were a number of
things they all had in common. One of them was that every one
of these women and you're exactly right, that the six are
very different. And in fact, I deliberately chose six who
exemplify a range of roles white women played in the black Harlem
Renaissance, so that readers could see women who were there
with honorable intentions, who were there with dishonorable
intentions and pretty much everything in between. But every
one of them shared an idea very novel in the 1920s. That
identity could be something other than biology.
Whoa, whoa, okay. So I've keep forgetting that you're from the
future so you thought that clip before I played it, and yeah,
yes. Miss and can be carrying in a perfect I mean, yeah, Miss and
can be Karen a perfect example is that is Rachel Nichols. And
that whole thing going over there, ESPN. See she was
surrounded herself around blackness. And she was the queen
bee. But then when it started to affect her in her pocket, she
went straight, Karen, saying, you know, their diversity hires.
Right. So is, is the, as long as I'm comfortable with it, I'll
allow you to be when it gets uncomfortable for me, then I'll
you know, I'll complain about it. And that's the problem.
We're going Whoa, because
eventually the noodle gun comes out, the cancel cannon hits you
if you're not careful, right, because it's a form of
consumption. So, it is by more and more and more, you know, how
can you never can be, your level of conspicuousness needs to go
to you know, something is unachievable. So, it's never
enough. You had to be okay with losing her job. Now, what she
said is what she said, um, but we're starting to see how these
people and you wish she would consider herself a liberal.
And all the things she that was liberal, when it starts to
affect her pocketbook, you see, come see a different reaction
with her choosing blackness over whiteness, that is being you
know, being conspicuous, cautious. So I think we stopped
at two, let's go and get into number three. And every one of
them believed that they could, in essence, volunteer for
blackness, each of these white women was in black Harlem, or
writing about black Harlem, in an effort, essentially to say,
sign me up. I want to be black too. This was an idea that was
very pioneering in the 1920s. And they all share
They were all also they were rule breakers. Absolutely in the
rule. Yeah. They tended to lead with their passions. Yeah. They
were committed to fair play.
They and they want to escape
the routine,
I guess white middle class or upper middle class womanhood and
often Africans that sat.
And they also wanted we're looking for a sense of purpose
is my sense.
And that's that's where the rub comes in. My existence is not an
escape for you. You can't volunteer for blackness. Now you
could be an ally. But because of the reason when if you're
volunteering for it, you always can, you know,
revert back, hold on a second.
Let's just look at it from another from another angle. If,
at the time, the white woman's life was so stifling for her,
because it wasn't like white women were all that much freer.
Certainly it mean, there was a lot of restrictions on women in
the 1920s. Still, and to let loose, to just feel like oh my
god, I mean, something else. They found this in, in jazz,
dance, roaring Harlem.
That's not necessary. I wouldn't say that's necessarily mean. I
miss you. Cuz you see the wait, no, I know what you said is it's
not it's not okay to use blackness to let loose. But, you
know, people do you know, go fishing to let loose. It's like
there's a whole bunch of people do a lot of things. Certainly
when it comes to alcohol and drugs. And if it's available
somewhere, you know, that's why you see white crackheads with
black crackheads, you know, right? It's it. I don't think
that's necessarily taking advantage of blackness. And what
what, what I'm saying about blackness is not enjoying the
culture. That's not what I mean, when i'm saying is you actually
try to be black. So you can never be that I mean, you can
never fully experienced it. That's just like, if I today
wanted to transition to a woman, I can never ever fully
experience the fullness of a woman. I don't care how much it
I try, right. There's certain things that I will never be able
to experience. And if I'm coming in a place if that's how I truly
feel, that's one thing. But as the light color, Caplin says it
was a form of escapism. So that knowledge I always say is this,
say you have women in your kitchen cooking, and you're
like, you know what, this pathway stuff hot? Well, this
living in this house is boring. Let me come in there and cook
with you for a minute. Like, you have the option of coming here
and cook. And when you get tired, you can go and sit back
in your living room and drink a nice classic cuckoo nominate.
I'm here because of these are the
the circumstances.
Right? And that's what that's what I'm just saying you can't.
And then. And I'll say this, you can't volunteer for another
person's culture. You just can't unless you completely embrace
it. Now, for instance, say if you want to, you see this right?
Well, maybe Americans will not. That's just being disingenuous,
you know, if someone's Oh, I like Rachel dollars off. You
know, that's just dish ingenuity. Well, I don't know.
I'll see. Right, your dollars out is different. So you met,
she fully embraced it. Let's say she was living as a black woman.
I mean, legally. So all the things that came with it,
whereas she would be but she didn't matter it but she didn't
live that through her formative years. She decided that all of a
sudden later in life, right? But she said everything that came
with it. She was saying like I mean she and it was it is very
it's a very new it's kind of like reverse passing.
We're gonna get into that but I don't want to stress it.
I say this let's get into the Miss and how they operate it
because I'm I'm speaking from a place of
knowing how this plays out.
I want you to hear it and then you'll see what I'm talking
about. Fair enough. Being being a and just experiencing the
different. Charlotte Osgood Mason, very different type of
very different Miss and tell us about her and much older This is
in part a book about two generations of white women who
became involved in black Harlem an older generation, which
Charlotte Osgood Mason, in many ways, exemplifies and a younger
generation now Mason, like Skylar was involved in black
politics partly for her own reasons. Again, she wanted a
wider social sphere. She wanted to make a difference. But
Charlotte Osgood may
She is one of the most complicated figures in this
book. She believes and I quote her now that she is a black God.
She also thought she was the world psychic physician, her
husband had been a famous spiritualist, and she believes
that certain people, they have to be very special people can
channel psychic vibrations, and she believes she can do that so
effectively, that she can heal the world. She's also a
primitive as she believes that American white mainstream
Western culture is played out washed out dried out depleted.
And the way it can be healed is to channel primitive energies,
the energies of so called childlike people like Native
American native African. Exactly. So what she sets out to
do very deliberately, she is going to build a bridge from
primitive Africa to washed out America and the bridge is going
to be through black Harlem. Okay, that's different.
It is not it okay. If you really wanted to live it, you will give
up all your personal possessions and start out at the bottom
right? If you really want to live it. Yeah. Right. But it's
no I want to come in as a black God
for you primitive people, cuz I'm here to be your Savior.
Yeah, it's a total different thing is I want to bring my
privilege in and maintain status, higher status in your
culture. It's my privilege benefits me. Is that also a
little bit what record companies do these days?
Also, a hip hop record record company, then look, who buys?
Who buys Megan, the stallion records is white girls. Right?
So they want to they want to experience through through the
music? Yes, it comes from a deep, long history kind of.
Yeah, and it's like the AV accurate African American
vernacular.
Same thing is, I can pick this up and put it down whenever I
want to. Right? It's not it's like a it's a it's a it's
it's by choice. Nobody wants to be on the bottom by choice. So
that's where it would never align. And she comes in. And her
perspective is black people are primitive, they're childlike.
And she has to be their Savior. The only thing that bothers me
about this particular topic. Sure, I have it myself. It's so
when I'm talking to you, and you know, calling code switching
whatever you want it to be.
I, I look, I talked to Dvorak in a certain way I talked to other
Friday, talk to good old boys here a certain way, then call it
code switching, whatever.
But it becomes complicated for me personally, when you say you
can just pick it up and put it down whenever you want. So if
I'm like, if I send you an emoji, that's a man, that's 100,
I'm, I literally do that to no one else. No, no, no, no, no, I
think we're, what I'm talking about is pick it up, let's like,
say, for instance, is this because I go to a Thai
restaurant and enjoy Thai food doesn't make me part trying to
participate in their culture, I produce and I enjoy what they
provide to that you're saying, and I want to get killed for
this, but the melting pot of America right? And with what we
kind of do we exchange different things, right? Sure.
You know, like white music, you know, if you listen to white
music, that mean you want to be white, right? That kind of
thing, is a difference when you try to embed yourself into a
culture and say, Okay, I know what's best for you all. It's
like you're going out now you're saying you know what? I know
what's best for everyone. You know, in the black community,
that kind of thing. You come in a place of learning to say,
Okay, how can I understand that's like see, first
understand and to be understood what these people came in with.
I know how to fix their problems. I'm born wild man. So
it's a win win. Got it? You've
been just so you know, it's incredibly uncomfortable for me
to be myself because I know if if one of my stepdaughters
caught me doing that with you. She goes apeshit over it.
But why? I mean, that's, that's it? Well, yes. Thank you. Why,
exactly. Just letting you know, I self censor myself in these
situations, which is an income power of the youth movement.
Going back to why they start with the kids because the kids
shame the parents into whatever the mass media thinks he's
doing. You're saying acceptable, whatever they deem acceptable
with the children set that standard now, it's COMPLETE
REVERSE world, where the parents usually set what the standard
is the completely opposite.
No. And I would wager that's because the kids are much more
savvy. They the parents used to control the television, the kids
control the internet.
Right for now. Yeah. For now, of course, for now, I mean, I mean,
that's the thing. I mean, just like with television, the kids
had the free time to watch television. But once you know,
if we got figured out, it's like, Hey, we need to take
control over this, then adults come in the room. Yeah. So I
mean, it's just that Mr. maturation process. And I'm not
saying all miss ads are bad, or people that try to come to the
community to help because I want to talk about we're gonna go
back to show 52 and talk about Mary Ann Wilson, and how she
talked about reparations on debate stage. This is part of
the dark underbelly of American society, racism, bigotry, and
the entire conversation that we're having here tonight. If
you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark
Psychic Force of the collectivized hatred that this
President is bringing up in this country, that I'm afraid that
the democrats are going to see some very dark days. And the
underlying cause has to do with deep, deep, deep realms of
racial injustice, both in our criminal justice system and in
our economic system. And the democratic party should be on
the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason.
You have been at the forefront of the discussion of reparation,
we're almost out of time, can you just give me a two seconds,
I want to make America and a country is like an individual
you can't have the future you want until you clean up the
past.
So my point here, we want to humanize these people, we never
dehumanize people to say everything they did was bad.
Just like Marianne Williamson, I think she was coming from a
place of good nature. Now the thing is, I don't think that
people fully understand what there
is you too, are dabbling, but what they're dealing with, you
know, when you start to
improperly try to patentees, this complex problem, complex
situation, we call it race.
No, it's just not as simple as going down and marching.
On Saturday. No, it's just like most people, a BLM sign is not
going to fix it overnight. What people think, well,
conspicuously I've done my part, or out of good faith, they can
say I've done my part. But it's no, this if you really want if
you, you have the option not to care.
I'm not saying people have to care, but if you're gonna care,
actually come in. with understanding and, and, and
being an ally. You hear these words thrown around. But
a lot of people don't believe in what they're doing.
You kind of you feel what I'm saying? Yes, of course, I do.
And and at 56, I look back, I would say, since I turned 50,
for sure. I look at a lot of stuff like oh my god, I was so
stupid, what an idiot. And a lot of people will grow up will
mature and come to have to come to terms with what what they
were a part of, and they will probably feel pretty dumb.
We all do
this, especially as human nature back and say, Man, if I knew
what I knew then now.
But what we have to understand is like, Where are these? This
information comes from, and a lot of it comes from outside
sources in our life. And that's the whole point I'm trying to
point out here. And I just want to show next, just continuing on
what Marianne Williamson is, when you dabble into things, you
may unconsciously unlock real pain. Oh, yeah, I love this
clip. I know it's cry 24. We see it today. And we even see it to
some extent in our own country, very dangerously. So is when
hatred becomes a social and political force. We must make
love a social and political force. And that has to start
with us. So for those of you who who would like to participate in
this, I'm going to now lead us in an apology from white
Americans to African Americans on behalf of our country, to you
and to your ancestors, and to all of your people. So to the
African Americans in the room who would wish and be willing to
participate in this please stand up.
And now I'd like to ask why Americans who are sitting are
near you to please stand up. And if the African American citizen
would would be willing to allow a white American who wishes to
apologize to you and to partners to hold your hands. Please
accept my apology this night.
It is for you and for your grandparents
and their grandparents before them
and their grandparents before
What if someone whispered to you?
I love you and I heard I heard something like black magic or
something. Oh,
I wonder bring it up. I'm glad you
asked the black man to go I couldn't I want a black man to
go over. And that is the epitome of what I'm saying. Y'all a lot.
All this pain, all this hurt. And then leaving for us to clean
up.
It was a white woman who was crying who was
black No, as a black woman, black woman crying. So let me
just paint the picture. Yeah. Do you have a black woman standing
in the center and all these white people like kind of
putting the hands around her? You're saying like, like, that
is so powerful shit, man, you have no idea what can happen
when you channel energy like that? That's my point. And then
witchcraft
is saying, I'm just saying what my point is, with this clip is
you open that door to generation after generation after
generation of pain. And it's like, oh, well, what a black
man, a black man.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's this is what is the
microcosm of what the media is doing with this massage Noir.
This pitting black men and black women against each other. And
they truly think they're helping. I don't I don't. I
don't think there's some bad actors. There's some good actors
and then some in the middle are just like, Well, I think is
gonna help. I mean, let's open that door. And then when it gets
too hairy, what's behind that door? It's like, well, black
man. Because you don't want
you don't want a white man over cuz she might be triggered us
and.
And great case in point. I don't want to belabor the point. But
Exactly. That's exactly my point. And you had you open all
these doors in these channels. For people. I think Mary and
Wilson were coming from a good place. Some people might
disagree, disagree, of course. I mean, it could be a win win for
her. You know that she brings up these real topics that's going
on. But when you open that door, are you ready? Are you really
ready?
For that repressed pain,
and anguish and
emotion that comes with it?
Well,
you are I gotta give you credit, because you're still here after
63 episodes.
You didn't open the door.
Let me let me Oh, well.
You know, you actually show up, and it's gonna be like Malcolm
said, I'm going to be offended. You're going to be offended. But
guess what, we're gonna keep pushing through. And that's
actually doing the work of being uncomfortable.
Yes, well, I love my country.
Sometimes,
but it's not his here to come in, like the person standing in
that white fragility. But your back come here for three hours
for I would say your bad Adam. And that's why you're bad. I'll
miss while you're but you're saying it's like, Okay. Oh,
yeah, but I don't Yeah, exactly. Well, I come here because I love
my country. I want to understand it better. Because I love my
country. I love you. And I want to make it better if I can. But
I can't do anything if I don't understand.
And what they should have done was I okay, let a white person a
black person out and have a real conversation. Instead of going
this psychic happening to the energy man. I mean, that's very
dangerous. And I mean, I'm saying that from a therapy
standpoint, you just can't jump into somebody and say, hey,
go to your darkest place. You know, and therapy so I'm just
okay.
with hands on with hands on that can be really I've done some
therapy can be really intense. Right.
So I guess we go back to me, I just want to paint the picture
of
Modern day Mrs. Anna how that looks and humanize her like we I
mean, we like Marianne Williamson we miss and she was
on the show. And we had her on the show. I was at the for a
while there. I was a proponent of her. what she's saying, is
some dark energy behind this. And there's a lot of pain behind
this. It's very true. But you just can't go and kick in open
doors. Unless you're ready. She went. She was a little bold on
that one. It's like
yeah, and by the way, I think that hurt her her presidential
run severely.
It did it may in India did well, and that goes to show you that
academia looks at her like a kook
many different ways, like wait a while, while in reality, just by
speaking spirituality and religion. We don't have to go
down the road of what she's what she's doing here is much closer
to black America than than white America in many aspects. That's
correct. And let's get back with Miss Anne and see the same
people like Charlotte Mason and now we're talking
more about what she believed. She is one of the most important
philanthropists of the Harlem Renaissance, one of the most
important white underwriters of black culture. But she does this
because she's going to heal modernity by channeling black
energy. So she comes in with a very sad agenda. On the other
hand, she has an enormous pocket book. This woman has virtually
unlimited funds, and she has an incredible eye for genius, and
she supports people like Sora Neale Hurston, Langston Hughes,
did she also support financially Alain Locke, she's very, almost
Okay, what did Alain Locke he was the one who stays with her.
Right up basically until her county Cullen was he had been
hounded Cohen was not a particular beneficiary. Although
she would have liked him to be she went after all of the
geniuses of the Harlem Renaissance and she recognized
their genius. This is enormously meaningful to them. So Zora
Neale Hurston and Langston Hughes and Alain Locke in
particular, were able to do much of the cultural work they did
because of her large mass of courts, right. But while she was
very generous, she was she was also monstrous, she was
demanding critical controlling of her protegees
who they called her godmother was that the term they call her
godmother, and she insisted on being called godmother by them,
but also by the white protegees. She was supporting. Hmm. Like
Fairy Godmother,
my godmother, godmother, but this is my point. If you're
coming in to say, Okay, are you here to give these people an
amplifier to their message? Are you here to control?
Yeah, yeah. Right. So I just want to point that out that
very few people give
their black understudy creative control, you see, record labels
you that's why it's a phenomenon. And let me just take
a quick aside, when like, artists first come out their
mixtapes and things be really good. But once they get signed,
and you have to sit in that room where you have 12 people who
they're not tapping into the culture, of deciding what songs
go on the album, they flop. Hmm. Because this control is like,
Oh, this would be great.
This is okay, this is a catchy tune, you know, that kind of
thing. Um,
but that's, that's that's just a quick aside. So we see the
control matrix of Mrs. And Miss Anne, excuse me.
We're going to continue on with another Miss and Fannie Hurst.
Tell us about Fannie Hurst. My least favorite. Fannie Hurst is
the character in this book who most exemplifies for me, a white
woman who comes into Harlem really for her own advantage and
truly for her own purposes. So she is there principally to
write imitation of life, which is I think most people know as a
movie rather than as a novel and she's they are largely because
of her friendship with Zora Neale Hurston always one of the
most uneven friendships in American interracial literary
history. Really? Yeah, it was always a friendship in which
Zora Neale Hurston called her Miss Hearst lifelong, and Fanny
always called her as his aura and Fanny Hearst was very
patronizing and her idea for imitation of life was given to
her by Zora Neale Hurston on a road trip. And Hearst is sitting
in the backseat while Hurston drives the entire time she sits
in the backseat like something out of Driving Miss Daisy,
right. But it's Driving Miss hearse. And the book was a
blockbuster hit buster, but it contains a lot of stereotypes
and a lot of
black dialect and her friends in in Harlem felt betrayed.
buy the book. Well now it was a blockbuster for white readers.
So I missed everything Fanny Hearst did with a blockbuster. I
mean in terms of sales. We have to remember Fanny Hearst was the
Stephen King of her day. She was the best selling author of her
time.
So Fanny Hart comes in with Zora Neale Hurston
Zora Neale Hurston again before we launch into that. Now, did
you already know about Fannie Hurst This is something you've
known about for years but this part of the
rabbit hole all this is rabbit hole. I mean, I knew of
you always know about outside money behind these movements. I
knew about a lane lock. But when I started digging back more into
that lane lock, I mean this is this is probably a year topic I
kind of earmarked to say who was behind him. And this gives me a
perfect opportunity and backdrop to discuss this to say
the same way Megan the stallion is being steered. The same way
is back then they were being steered the same way. Yes. And
Fanny had very close ties with Eleanor Roosevelt. So she was
did not know that she was the hi hi Illuminati,
white supremacy. And then on the other side. Zora Neale Hurston
was very into the hoodoo and Voodoo stuff. Yeah.
Like that out there. But it's one point I want to point out.
Zora Neale Hurston gave Fannie Fannie Hurst the idea for
imitations of life and imitation is alive well let's just get to
the trailing would discuss it more after the clip
starring Lana Turner as the great state and Star Lord
American men in her life. JOHN gavel
down O'Hurley.
Robert Alden
dramatise club wants to eat and sleep with you eat and sleep.
Disgusting it pays off. Her daughter Sandra beef. Susan
Connors was born to be hurt. I didn't want to have to come
through back doors or feel lower than other people or apologize.
My mother's because he can't help
but I can. Juanita more hers was the shave the
bear Jay Johnson. You put your coat on and Bambi uncomparable
my heel your Jackson
not asking you not to go down. They're telling you.
What makes you think you have that right? Because I love
yours. No, no, no.
No, Steve. I'm sorry.
All the kids talking behind my back. Is it true? Are you black?
I'd like to hold you in my arms once more. It was still my baby.
Alright.
Bye.
This, that clip made me really miss my mom, because she was
such a movie buff. And she would always talk about Lana Turner
and Sandra Dee and I am sure she would have had seen this movie
and would have she probably would have said it was the
precursor to the switch movies. Like big
like big or we were one of the other ones. Where you we swap
places with someone in some credulous way.
For me when you wake up your parents are that you know Yeah,
exactly, exactly. Because this was about passing. Correct.
Correct. And it was a little bit more than that. So
this that was the trailer from the 1959 movie. The original
movie was made in 1934 off of Fanny horse book.
So what we're gonna do now is go back from the TMC network they
did a break down on the movie, just the breakdown of characters
before we do that be as the white woman, Delilah is the
black woman which Delilah itself is a funny name to us.
Because theater man you know the implications with Samson and
taking the man down.
The Hill Jesse is the black, white daughter and appeal as the
black daughter that can easily pass
for White. So just to set that out, let's go and get into 28
imitation of life ended up having just this extraordinary
impact on the African American community. Because it was really
the one Hollywood film of the Depression era that suggested
there was such a thing as a contemporary race problem in
America
tells the story of two women, a black woman and a white woman.
Each is without a husband. Each has a young daughter to race. At
one point in the movie, the black woman is preparing
breakfast for the white woman, the white woman so impressed
with her pancakes tasted so good. And all my life, how do
you make them fit the secret, and it's going to die with
Delilah.
She gives the recipe to the white woman, the white woman
eventually markets a mix based on that recipe. And then in one
sequence that today is unbelievable to us. The white
woman offers the black woman a 20% interest in the company.
Well, of course, it's very kind of the white woman, particularly
since without the black woman there would have been no company
whatsoever. Here to papers for you to sign. But
then you'll have a 20% interest in the Delilah cooperation, your
heartache comes to the two women in imitation of life because of
their daughters. And for the black woman. The great holiday
comes when her daughter decides to cross the color line and pass
for White.
Wow, she's a Delilah. Delilah is the black woman's name, right?
recipe sequence you know the pancake sequence? She's like,
No, I'm not saying that's my secret. And then
instantaneously, she tells her
whispers in my ear. Yeah, the secret is gonna die with her.
Wow, she B takes the pancake mix, creates a
successful product out of her recipe and then gives her 20%
Yeah.
I'm not sure that's good math. But anyway, um,
but then the guy says that's unbelievable. But I don't know
if he's being sarcastic. And he also says kinds I don't know if
he's being sarcastic. She's saying that.
Maybe she should have got more or is it unbelievable that she
gave her anything? I mean, it's very mass how he said that? Not?
To me, I've listed a clip of her time, but least 10 times. And I
can't quite pick on a mess. Yeah. And just so we have a
four. This is what we do and don't do anywhere else. There's
a term in the black community. It's called that's mighty wider
view. So it's us in between us to say if somebody does
something for you that they should do, but they try to make
a big deal out of it. What have you just fought for disclosure?
This is what happened. So say for instance, ah, okay, so I
borrow your car, right? And I'm like, hey, Adam, I borrowed your
car and I put some gas in it.
I'm like, this might be what he was saying. Because you're
supposed to put gas that people car in and say if you borrow it,
but I mean, just to give you some, some
think that's what he was saying. When he said that when he was
being tongue in cheek about that's kind of unbelievable. He
was saying that in a roundabout way. Like, you should. It's her
recipe you should give her a cut, or at least a half. Okay.
So I just want to I just want to lay that out. You know,
there is not only about the passing the passing a small
portion of the movie.
The bigger portion is the business relationship between B
and Elia. Right
now, I'm just I'm just still processing the mighty white.
That's actually new.
It's like basically, he
I understand, you
know, I understand it. I understand it. I just hadn't
heard it. I've heard white people I've heard in New York in
the in the late 80s. White people go as mighty white have
you know, as what does that mean? What does it mean? What is
exactly exactly what you just said, but you But you just said
no, this is how we talk and we say that's mighty YTV I didn't
know that that was still going on. That makes sense. I don't
know if people still use it. I mean, but just my generation,
older generations we use it to say like, you know, I
simultaneously I was trying to think if if we have something
where we'd say something equivalent, I don't think I
don't believe it's there.
I don't think so either.
When I say
It's the same thing. Miss Anne wants to be patted on her back.
Oh, sure. What was the right thing? I don't want to detract
from the flow. I'm just stopping because I'm like, Huh, I didn't
know that.
they fully understand how he's saying it, analyzing the movie.
And I think that's what he wanted to say without actually
saying that term. He said, in a roundabout way. And I just want
to stop you there for one second, though. Anybody who is
listening to this, please show me where the Bruce Springsteen,
Barack Obama podcast goes down deep like this. Please show me
that. If you don't feel like you can just boost us if you don't
feel like it, send us a boost. It is that superficial? I
appreciate you so much, Moses. Great. So let's just get into
29. The director john Stoll was determined to find a white
looking black actress to play this light skinned young black
woman, they turned her eyes in New York City. And that's where
they solve Friday, Washington. And Friday, Washington was known
as the girl with the boy's name, the black girl with the green
eyes. The black girl who looked quite early in her career, she
had been urged to pass for white, but she would have a
chance at a big career and she refused. She said, in essence,
she could never be anything other than what she was. Freddy
Washington told me that the one line in imitation of life that
she hated was the line when she said that she wanted to be
white.
What's my baby?
And prairie Washington said that the character she felt didn't
want to be white for the sake of whiteness, she wanted to be
white to have the same chances that everybody else in that
house was going to have.
On the one hand, the black audience really did pick up on
the thing that she wanted wide opportunities, and that they
could understand and connect to. But the audience could not
accept her rejection of her mother. And in essence, her
rejection of her culture.
Oh, this Oprah narrating right
now, sounds like Oprah.
That sounds like Oprah, whoever that guy is. He's got a careers
of sounding like Oprah. What this is the point while singing
about Miss Anne? And why it's like, if you her like the black
audience was, how can you give up? Only your mother? Right?
Right. Like that's a real, like, how can you give up your culture
and your color? That's a real, that's a tall order. So when we
see people volunteering for blackness in like the midst, and
they're looked at the same way, but just you're saying the
opposite way, but how can you give up whiteness or your your
family or your I mean, this, this was a built in distrust.
When you have people dealing like that. It's like, Hold on,
wait, wait, wait, wait, you're gonna turn on your own family.
And that's where the term race traitor comes in. It's like,
Whoa, right?
Even though it's right.
You returned on your own family didn't I think underneath your
family, right? So you could easily turn on me? Mm hmm. So
that's why it's this weird sentence, this weird
relationship when you talk about and we all know race doesn't
exist in the form of actually being a real thing. It's, it's a
sense of legality. And that's where white versus whiteness
comes in.
People get degrees because they want to experience white and not
be white.
And what I mean by white is, we've talked about this no
nothing and no CBOE effect.
We wear masks because we want to,
you know, fit in and not be seen as political right. And it's
like, you know, not wearing a mask has a certain political
connotation to it. Right? And it's just like, I just want to
go out to the store and not be looked at funny. So we put the
mask on. You can understand we're saying is that whiteness
is the same way. I think I told you about my experience, going
to the to Whole Foods a couple of months ago and deciding I'm
tired of it. I'm going in without a mask. Bright and I
talked I talked to you about this. Yeah, I think we talked
about it. Not that this was a sample but I think we talked
about another experience. Oh well, we share so just
Now, you know, because I was like I'm gonna walk in, you'll
see what happens. I got a mask in my back pocket so I can
always you know, bureau compliant if I have to. But the
whole ride 20 minute ride. I was thinking about it like, how will
people look at me strange. And I thought this may be the closest
I could ever come to feeling how most sometimes may have felt or
may still feel in certain situations.
Yeah, and that's, that's my point is when you have to think
about it a that's That's it? That's it. That's all working
right there. Right? No, I totally agree. And it was the
first time that I really recognize like, Oh, this is
probably close to kind of what it feels like, not in an actual
situation, but just having to think about it on your way to a
certain situation. And that mask in your back pocket was the PhD.
That's why I called it Oh, sleep.
I have no problem as good as a good black man. You know, you're
still saying that's that mask?
Yes, yes. It shouldn't have to be that way. But it is that way.
If you prescribe to know the racial narrative. Now what I do
is I move about freely. Uh, you know, you get to you, I'm sure
you've gotten to the point now where it's I don't give a rat's
ass about where I'm asking now you're saying Mr. might say
something to me that we had to deal with? If you got to that
point. It was it was it was during that first experience
when no one looked at me. No one cared no stink. I was very
surprised. There was only one other person not wearing a mask.
Once I'd gone through that experience. And I had it for my
from my feeling a good experience. Like, okay, now I
don't care anymore. Now imagine that being hard baked Dan for
all your life. This is why bring it on the course. Of course.
That's why I bring it up. I say it for my for my fellow fellow
white people.
That was a very interesting experience for me. So now you
can understand how seductive passing is. A couple yes is
Yeah, just go back. Zora Neale Hurston was fair skin. Now she
wasn't fair enough to pass which I think has to be the most
tortured way to be because you're never be accepted fully
because the POV soon as you have privileged country lights in and
you're never be accepted in whiteness, but you're so close.
So I think that's part of where this movie came from. Cuz she
gave the story to Fannie Hurst. And the other part is with the
pancake recipe. Yeah, she's like Fanny, I gave you this story.
And I'll show she this this is art playing out playing his way
out on the screen real life playing his way out was really
hard. Mm hmm. The relationship between Zora Neale Hurston and
Fanny Hearst because like, I'll use gonna take my pancake recipe
and give me 20% she got that you see, I gave you the recipe. I
just don't have the infrastructure to you know, to
make it a company. Alright, so let's be real here. Mo for a
second. Yes, sure. So when we first started doing this
podcast, how long did it take before you finally how many
episodes before you said okay, Curry's on the up and up. How
can a trucking and create control the content or any of
that?
The day one when you didn't have a give me any expectations? That
can't be like I was gonna sound talk. Okay.
Because there was no And I mean, just for for clarity. I mean, we
have a gentlemen's agreement that we split when we make Yep,
you know, and that's that that's what it is. And it was, let's
see, if you lay it out up front. And you say if Bay with baby
would have said to Delilah, you know what, this kid pancake
recipe? I could do something with it. You know, how you feel
about 20%? You know, the business? If the lightly sizing
I have no problem with it, right? But it came back? Yeah.
After the fact he's like now that you haven't gone. Roll me
is like, oh, now we got to talk numbers. So I mean, just we
breaking the fourth wall again, but I'm just saying this is it's
very it's a very fluid situation when you talk about race because
all these things are baked in. You see all the artists that die
bro, you see all the athletes that die, bro and you wonder
like, How did this happen?
Or you see the black people taking the heat and they're Miss
ends behind them.
Live escape? Like you didn't hear anything about Fannie Hurst
you know, I mean, no, no. Right. If it goes left, she just gets
go back and live and live in her ordinary life. So I just want to
say one more thing. I just want Quick quick aside. I'm the
actress of Freddy Washington. This is why representation is
important and why the conversation between eight years
and not eight hours at the plan black roles. You had to have
somebody
Be able to internalize what it says to say, I want to be white,
because that only a person experienced that, or have the
option could perhaps black lack of better word channel, that
real feeling and bring it across on screen. So I just want to
make that quick point as well. Sure.
But moving on number 30.
On the one hand, the black audience really did pick up on
the thing that she wanted wide opportunities, and that they
could understand and connect to. But the audience could not
accept her rejection of her mother, and in essence, her
rejection of her culture. You
feel the child, I'm your mommy. But that's ridiculous. I never
saw you before in my life.
This woman doesn't know what she's talking about.
There's a great sequence. It's at the end of a party that
called at Cobo the white woman has given a noun she's made all
this money off this pancake recipe. And at the end of the
party, she and Delilah played by Louise beavers, they're talking
and Delilah is still subservient. And at the end of
the evening, they say goodnight to each other. And as they go to
their separate quarters, we see this beautiful home that really
Louise beavers pancake recipe is built, we see quite a co bear
ascend up the steps and Louise beavers to send downstairs.
And it's visually just striking that john Stoll has just put it
there.
So this is even after she's become successful, she owns 20%
share and business she still lives with this white woman be
in the basement, not having her own dwelling. And she plays in a
submissive role to her. Because in the same sheet, be kicked our
feet up on the couch and Delilah is rubber her feet now these are
two rich women.
Right? So I'm just saying that you see the same thing now that
a lot of times people don't want to go out on their own and build
their own thing. They want to live in the basement other
people things. Well, yeah, so that's a mental prison. That's a
mental prison. Lots of people are in most people are in that
probably? Most people are in it. Yes. And that's the thing is,
you would think they would be sisters. And I'm extrapolating a
lot of stuff here or you know, from these small clips, but when
you look at it, it's like, Okay, why she lived in a house where
her steel?
Yeah, because it's comfortable.
It's comfortable. You see what I'm saying is like, I don't want
to go out on my own. I want to live under this. And this is why
you get the Oprah's and all the other sane people that deal with
these big white corporate media companies. It's like why don't
you go out on your own and create your own thing. It's like
what's comfortable here? Now I rather just have my 20% and this
is this phenomenon some I mentioned in the notes with
Kwame Brown, and he's bringing up this thing Mama's cooking and
calling him out these people that back actually put the
battery in the backs of many boulais members call it what it
is. He called it the get go along and get alone game but
we've been calling the Boulay is basically
you have a nice room in their house.
Yeah, we need to be building our own houses. Now we could do
business with it, whoever but you have to have your autonomy.
But this has hundreds of years of trauma that has to be broken.
Right and but that's why we don't we got a we got a rover on
Mars. So I mean, I think we could do it.
Even the Chinese got a rover on Mars people. Let's get it
together.
Yes, I'm just I'm just saying like, I think it can be done. We
do it here every episode. That's just a great one to use on the
kids. Listen, that's a rover on Mars. You can do those chores,
right?
I don't see why people find things so hard.
Well, let's go to 31
I want to tell you how sorry I am for what I did to your
home better. All right. Come, come baby. Sit down. Don't feel
like you're really he has standing so far.
I've done everything you wanted me to. I went to that school
have tried to be happy there to please you. But I just couldn't
bear it.
I could never had to get away. I have this damn baby. We're gonna
forget all about it now. It's all right. But it is no right
mother. I want to talk to you about stairs, Dylan. No must be
your stay, please. I want you to hear too. What's my little baby
got on mine.
I want to go away.
Go away.
Go for Viola.
I mean,
by that I mean, I want to go away. And you mustn't see me you
own me. Or claim me or anything? I mean,
even if you pass me on the street, you have to pass me by
no appeal.
I know. It's terrible. And we must be
but you don't know what it is to look quite black.
You don't know.
Like you're going this way and
I can't give a baby.
A boy.
I love you have more you can guess. You can do this
commandment to do this. You got to promise me Mother.
Mother.
I got the spiritual strength. I can't.
And mode.
I think I need a little context around that one. Okay, so what's
happening is
the lie of his daughter. Actually, we lay out the
character I mean the characters again. So a lot is Dora piola.
She is looks white, because her father is a very light skin. So
she grows up living with in the house would be and Delilah and
Jessie the white girl. And so long she lived in this White
House and, and
looks white. She eventually just wants to shed her blackness is
my is not shared her mass, right? It's I don't want to wear
this mask anymore. Um, where she wants to actually wear the
master she can not be bothered. I mean, me father the metaphor.
So so that's what she's asking her mother like, Don't you see
me walking down the street, keep on going. don't acknowledge me,
you got to let me go. So I can be free, right.
And that's why the audience had a real problem with setting this
movie in the 1934 iteration, which 25 years later was made
again. So they show you these things are very powerful. That's
why they keep moving. Keep making them Excuse me. So come
on, understand, I can't give you up. You're saying you my child.
Yeah. Right. So this just goes to show you when you build up
things and other people's.
When you let other people set the value.
This is bound to happen, right? Your children are going to try
to go away from it. And what the way I tie this in is when you go
back to mama Rosie, she wanted her kids to go out to school,
but when you go to school, you learn new ideas and you lose the
appreciation for the old ideas. Does that make sense? Yeah, of
course and of course got it. Okay. I just want to make sure
I'm because it's kind of loopy. So I just wanted to make sure
everybody else is following along as well. That it's a
double edged sword.
When you you're saying we you validate yourself by whiteness,
or you validate yourself by and it's not even about white. We're
not talking about color here. It's not about the expectations
of the mass
agenda. The one we're I mean, which we call white supremacy
one world government it's like this is what this is what it
says to be wearing a mask taking the jab. Yeah.
Seat critical race theory, all these things. This is the this
is what acceptable. And if you don't subscribe to it, then
you're off your reservation you out. Yeah.
Right. So I mean, when you do that, it's always going to come
back and bite you in the butt eventually. And Delilah. She
loves to end with B and t hat or home money and we're saying she
was a part owner in a very successful company, but she
never moved her out our house.
And now it comes back home to roost because your own child
doesn't want to be what you identify us because she's lived
in this
other reality. And she has the ability to take part in me. Got
it. Same thing with education. That's why I'm tied to
education. When these people get these degrees. They think they
can operate and whiteness because they had their freedom
papers.
Yeah, well, but along with it, but along with it comes a whole
bunch of
responsibility of towing all the rest of the lines that have to
be towed.
This messed up, man.
Yes, it's a man. But I always say it starts with
a start. Oh, yeah, no, I, this is what I appreciate so much.
It's like, a lot of it's already here with us. Right? So what
we're going to do now is just for the sake of time, I think
pretty suit, which was kind of redundant. So 33, we're gonna
get into Okay, so this is this is the hot button issue right
here. This is where we might get canceled.
Cancel Canada, thank you and appropriate. So for the kiss
Academy.
Women wants to be worshipped. And we see this in modern, even
modern art. This goes back to the
Miss Ann's wanting to be called god mother and their gods and,
you know, feminists, you know, they're the guy you know, the
mother goddess and these kind of things. You see in movies like
that help bright the black women are following along behind the
white women. Or you saw it with Game of Thrones with Khaleesi. I
think her name was denarius. Targaryen she was the great
liberate the mother dragon right in the mother dragons. And she
was liberating all the brown people, this blonde, pale white
woman, listen, these things play out. But what they do is they
can convince women, especially black women, that they are God
themselves. Now that may sound crazy to you, Adam. And they are
meant to be worshipped. And this is their appreciation. This is
the whole worship thing
that we see going on, it's just not enough to appreciate women,
you have to bow down to him. And this thing has been festering on
our side for a very low Tom. And appropriate so this is canons
class, Nick Cannon. The black woman is God and he's talking to
gofree wine scientists have been digging up bones out of Africa
getting upset going fuck another
and it's traced to the black woman, which are the most
disrespected planet not disrespecting any other woman.
Women. You're all women. Man, you all matter. You all give
birth to all other than black women are all put on pedestals.
Black women need to be up there too. They have been over
sexualized and disrespected to always say, Yeah, I say to black
woman is God. And when you think about the humility, and what's
that come from? Think about the origin of the motherland and
where we come from. And at some point, to put yourself in that
godlike pasture you have to dis the God in which you've come
from and when you disrespect a woman you annihilate the culture
in which they come. That's a true, yes. No, that's a fact.
Yeah. And it's like, you can't say you love your culture. And
in this respect a woman have that. Damn right. Okay, weigh in
is Mr. Mo, take it away. Okay, so all this is based out of the
out of Africa theory, I'm sure you're aware that right? The
first people were black people. And this is where that primitive
narrative comes from that were their regional, but we're not
the best. You know, we're I mean, that's most brown people.
That's how I started that's, I'm just going by the myth and
conversation, how they're primitive people, Native
Americans seem the same way black people, you know, those
kind of things. So what they say is so weird, since Africa is the
cradle of civilization. The black woman must be the mother
of civilization, which I have no beef with that, if you want to
believe out of Africa theory, but the problem out of Africa
theory, just as a side note, it's probably one of the most
racist theories ever. Because what you're saying is people in
Africa were created, they stay there, while the rest of the
people made it all the way around the world. came through
Europe, Asia, down the Bering Strait and came to America,
which would be the Native Americans, all before black
people could make out the west coast of Africa.
We had to we had to hitch a ride to America.
Everybody had was on the on the train, but you couldn't make it
on what was the what's up for that? You tell me I mean, like,
okay, West Coast, Africa, the east coast of America is not
that far. When you think about you're saying everybody else,
track the globe, and was able to evolve and you know, now you see
where do you think the danger is when they start saying, oh,
we're primitive people were primitive in energy. This is
what they mean.
And he's white University support this to say, oh, black
woman, you're a god. And then they send us like a clip with
America and we were a black man here. This match.
How the hell can I deal with a woman think she's God?
Yeah. And then you have Nick Cannon. Last time I checked,
Nick Cannon one dating the most melanated women and having
children by him even though he got so far in the last six
months.
But
I heard a Russa in the wild the other day.
You know where, where we were, we were at the title company
closing on our house to sell the house. And the
the lady who was doing the closing black lady, and all of a
sudden she throws out a I don't know what we were talking about.
She's very funny. We're just chatting about a Whoops, I got
to go looks at me like we're
a long story long story. But she threw out a WUSA I got it. And I
drew it right back at it. And it was fun. It was it was it was a
fun moment, doing the work. And we understand that we seem to
seek first to understand then to be understood. But we have
people saying this. And when I'm saying I don't think any woman
is God. I don't think any human is God will exception one guy
but that's a totally different story for another day. But
how do you deal with that? You go to these universities and
this is what these liberal feminists are just gonna say or
blow up there but that your Gods but a rationality they see
themselves as gods, but it's like, oh, yeah, you can be in
God to sister let's like when he was in that kind of thing. It's
like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah. But basically, not not healthy.
It's not healthy. It's not healthy. And then you see, I'm
just gonna go back to the transcript. Oh, their
interaction. He says a disrespect now, okay, says black
moving on the most disrespected. That's the Malcolm X mean,
playing out there, which I agree in some sense.
It says women, you're all all women matter. Whoa, whoa, whoa,
you can't say that. You can't say all women matters. That's
how you know, I'm being facetious here. But that's like
saying all laws matter. You're too old to be saying that. And
then you can't say all women matter. And then they say they
want to put black women on a pedestal too. So if you put them
on a pedestal, what are other women there and no one's on a
pedestal?
pedestal was is non existent, then you're all
trying to tell me black woman is God, but you don't want to put
her on a pedestal over other women? This is God we're talking
about here.
Yeah, I think that was just
those guys were Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, a curry. See
this when
we go to the next level? This is a running theme in our
community. Okay, supported by science. What's the premise
science on my head? Yes, which is the Africa theory. It looks
like, like I said, that's one of the most racist thing I've ever
heard in my life. If you want to say if you want to go by the
narrative, but I'm just saying I'm just
but this is where it comes from. So when you have women going out
to these schools, and they've been indoctrinated, that they're
special at a very early age with gifted classes, all these
things, and then they go out to the Ivy League schools, and
they're probably one of a handful black women. And you
have these black women, women like all psych Queen, nurse, and
you're the Mother Earth, all women came from you. But what
they don't tell you is they think that Yeah, you're
primitive. Yeah, you're the first but you're not the best.
See, they won't say that to your face. It's like we're the
updated version. Because if your first we came after you, but
we're better. We're smarter than you.
Yeah, that primitive torquing energy that you got going on.
With a
I forget her name, the last lady that we looked at the African
lady. Um, oh,
Sarah,
are hot and Tonto on top. Yes, yes. So that's what they mean by
print of energy. Bless you. Let's champion your sexual I
sold them bring this thing full circle. So this is what they're
saying omega stallion all of them. Let us sex. Use your
sexual energy to bring people in. And we'll take our big white
brains. We'll take it from here. Don't worry. We got it. We got
it here. That's what I'm saying. Hmm. And these women fall for
this because they say, Well, this is a this is an elite
school. This is Ivy League school. Okay, what's your point?
Yeah, well, so clearly these Ivy League schools are really racist
in their entire demeanor.
I'll leave that there. But when we chop it up, because
yes, they are because they're the one that teach elitism and
all these strange thought processes come into our school
of thoughts come from? Yes, they are. You know, I was there was a
college campus, kind of like a supercut. And it was asking kids
if they felt America was racist, and
it was you know, you know what you
Gonna get with these kinds of man on the street questions. It
was in Washington DC, where everyone who's going to one of
these universities probably has a lot of financial privilege,
certainly. And but it was interesting. One girl said,
Well, I go to an HBCU. So of course, I think America is
racist. I thought that to be really interesting.
I don't know how she correlates that. Just saying, that's just
what popped up. It's like, because we know we're talking
about things that I don't know exactly what they're teaching in
universities, I have a pretty good idea for what they were
teaching. years ago. Yes, everything is racist. Everything
sex is a intersection intersectionality is really the
hidden is the hidden payload in this critical race theory,
right? It's written by the same person.
I mean, like we were on top of this way, I'm not sure I agree.
I'm just saying that historically, black colleges and
universities are doing the same thing and just probably even
turning up the heat. That historically not went to one but
most historic private ones. Let me be clear, most private
historic black colleges were created by white people in class
the brown paper bag test. Not only that, but your was Spelman
is named after Oh, yeah, right guys, I'm with the rich guy
Rockefeller, named after his wife's maiden name. Rockefeller
was spending money, Carnegie, Carnegie, all these people were
throwing money around and he schools and you can't have
independent thought. It's like no, no, no, no, it's still the
same Rockefeller Foundation Carnegie Foundation as a couple
more that as we talked to an hour ago that are still the ones
who mandate the curriculum, based on the money they donate
to the endowment and bring up hot button topics to see which
side they are without a lien. Oh, yeah, they got Lena on the
side of whatever their paymasters tell them the same.
And I say everybody got to make a living like tiger, Tiger on
artesyn. Everybody got to make a living we all prostitutes are
self aware, you're saying a little bit at a time. That's not
what I'm saying. It's not like it's exclusive, but
you have these people blowing your head up. And then they come
back into the quote unquote, community with all these new
thoughts and ideologies and it doesn't job anywhere, which
let's go ahead and jump into a brief overview of massage noir
with the Knave knee. Hey, what's up? It's Friday, so I'm gonna
keep it black, but I'm gonna keep it brief. They're not gonna
like this one. Hey. So I just want to talk to you today about
the thing called massage noir tell it is for black men to hear
for black woman to feel her for white people to pay attention to
in their endeavors for anti racism so they can better
understand intersectionality or listening to massage and why is
a specific type of sexism black women experience or what Maria
Bailey refers to as this specific hatred, dislike
distrust and prejudice directed toward black women. Now, we're
gonna talk about this subject any day of the week, but it's
different during Black History Month. Okay. Hello, somebody you
see earlier this week, I posted a real about Joanne Robinson,
the woman who was the actual brains and brains behind the
Montgomery Bus Boycott, not Dr. King, like most of us believed
or infer from our civil rights movement lessons in grade
school. And while I was just redirecting credit to give
credit where it was due somehow black men still found a way to
respond negatively saying I was disrespecting Dr. King's legacy
or that the women involved were irrelevant, because obviously
Dr. King was needed to pull it off. The Civil Rights Movement
was male dominated in terms of representation, largely part due
to respectability politics, what many conveniently forget. The
politics are inherently sexist, and this left many women on the
back burner or in the shadows of the movement like Mary Louise
Smith, who are just one of the many women who got arrested for
refusing to give up their seat on the Montgomery Bus before
Rosa Park and clotet Coleman. Yeah, Ella Baker she said don't
even worry about me, which I wasn't gonna do that anyway. And
yeah, I wasn't gonna do that anyway cuz that's just how y'all
are massage was not only resulted in black woman not
getting credit. Besides the war has also led a lot of black men
get away with doing a lot of things to black women make it
plain. And my thing is, if you're upset about us taking
some of these flowers and giving them to the women that deserve
them.
I'll just say you won't be mad at me for this.
Right now, who was? Who was Lynn Haven a.
Some talking head black feminist on YouTube. Okay, I just use her
as the chatterbox. Yeah.
Um, what's the point?
What's that mean? What are you? What are you saying here and
even your facts not even straight. We're gonna get to
that a little later, but just okay. Say for instance, if we
had the same black and I say we black man had the same mentality
as them. When the movie hidden colors can't be Hidden Figures
came out about the black female scientists at NASA, right? We
can say what about the black man at NASA? We don't have any
representation of black men in the movie. We know that it's
just as raw
little black girls into STEM. It's a good thing.
Right, we didn't we didn't come out how to tear down people. And
people say, well, Mo you made an episode about Martin Luther
King. Yeah, the shouted that he wasn't even in control of
himself, right? I'm always going back to the fall on the street,
not I'm not gonna stop looking where you want me to stop
looking at. I'm gonna follow the trail all the way back to who's
pulling the strings. And I even gave the credit, to MLK to say,
Yeah, he was control as being younger, because he was just the
same way as Greta Thornburg don't.
Um, he had no control over me he was being set up to be who he
was, by it was saying controlling factors at a very
young person. And then at one point, when he decided to change
and break narrative, you saw what happened to him. But I'm
not just gonna say I'm not just gonna tear him down for the sake
of tearing people down. That's not what we do here. But that's
what they do. It's like see sisters see famous sisters. Calm
down for the cause. I'm gonna turn out every black man I see.
To show their solidarity with white feminists. I mean, we're
going to talk about we're going to talk about it and this is
where it comes in respectability politics. This is what we need
to understand and with that, have
a new term for me I had not heard of this. Right and what
you're going to see how
how it's important to the overall overarching topic of the
show. 35 so this is Paul Laurence Dunbar we wear the
mask.
We wear the mask that grenzen lies, it hides their cheeks in
shades, their eyes, that we pay to human Guile with torn and
bleeding hearts, we smile, and mouth with mirrored subtleties.
Why should the world be over why, and counting all of our
tears and sighs? Nay, let them only see us while we wear the
mask. After reading the poem. My anxiety level tripled because I
realized that Paul Laurence Dunbar was talking about the
black American identity and identity that I hadn't really
quite grasped yet, something that I was deeply struggling
with. And now I realize, reading his poem that the mask he was
referring to, with the mask of respectability politics.
respectability politics is a tactic used by marginalized
groups to subvert or BIRT racism and stereotypes. And they do
this by doing the exact opposite of what the stereotype or racist
comment would suggest. So I'm an African American person, a
stereotype about African American people as we like to
listen to our music really, really loud. So if I was
practicing respectability politics, I would make sure that
when I was driving my car, I would turn my music on medium or
low not to disturb the other cars around me. Or if I'm having
a house party, have some friends over I'd make sure my music was
low.
Now the goal of respectability politics, is to raise the status
of the marginalized group by counteracting this stereotype.
Holy crap.
Yeah, okay. By the way, this is new to me.
The black people this is their music louder than white people
or brown people. Is that?
Not really no, oh, no See that? We may have music has more bass
in it. So it may trap me, but that, but let me get, excuse me.
Let me give you an example of that, by I had to fifteens
you're saying Yeah, you're knocking your car. Way too loud.
Probably going to be deaf because of it.
But my dad was, hey, before you turn that corner up there, turn
it down, you better have it turned down.
Now, because you know that you're black, and you know, you
don't understand I don't want you to be seen as black by
having you know, the loud music because they'll definitely give
it away. I think my skin would give it away. He was saying but
it was out of the fact that my neighbor works second shift, and
he slipped, right and my dad wanted to have his damn picture
shaking on his wall is it's out of respect. But see, this is the
dangerous. That's why I said these new ideas. They learn.
I've never heard of this term before my life until these women
started talking about it. So now let's say we put on some clothes
and be respectful. No, no, no. You put your oppression on me.
I should be able to work wherever I want to. Right. I
mean, like you participate in respectability politics when you
put the mask on, or if you put the mask on, right, I guess I
don't want to smoke today. I just want to go ahead and get
some steaks. Yeah.
So let me just put the mask on. So uh, so it is a real thing,
but now it's being spread.
out to everything is like any behavior. One of them being and
oh, I'm gonna hit a hot button here, the bonnets. Oh the
bonnets so the bonnet is this thing women wear to cover their
hair now, I understand why women wear bonnets like we used to be
like when your grandma had a hair curl with a little pink
curlers with that wax paper. She wanted her curls to be tight. So
she would have it curl rice and tight and put the cap over top
of it. So before she left the house, you were saying her curls
would fall out?
What was happening is these people are starting to wear out
in public. Yes, it is, oh, if you want to wear it out in
public, that's fine. But you got to have what comes along with
it. And understanding it looks like you did prepare yourself
for the day. Right? And because that's the origin of it is that
black women will have a house coat, or house dress, you know,
they rose with their bonnet and like, I'm not going to put my
clothes on. So I'd be nice and pressed and my hair be nice and
fresh when I take the rollers out before I walk out the door.
So when you walk out the door, it looks like you're prepared.
But when you say something, Oh, you were disrespecting my
respectability politics. Things like what? Wait, how tiring.
Now you see.
So now we're dealing with God, they can't understand every
question.
And not all like I said, I'm being in these other strollers.
That's why I say to the ladies that actually feel the same way
I do. We got your back if you speak up, but we can't speak up,
right? I mean, we can't say anything. It's like me trying to
make the case of a case on somebody's behalf. You don't
want to make a case for yourself. Right? So this is more
than this. Why I took my time with these episodes because it's
a very sensitive subject not only about black, but it's for
women. It's a very sensitive subject.
You know, women. I just found a I just found an article.
It was this your Tango, the power of black hair bond and why
it's not unprofessional to wear it outside. From January 8 2021.
What a publication your Tango, I'd have no idea what those
Exactly. I mean, it's like why are y'all putting so much energy
on? Like I said, and this is nothing I was mine. This is why
I got the Mars rover thing from
it's amazing that we can put our Mars rover on Mars, but we can't
safely straight in black hair. Hey, I'm gonna Hey, I'm gonna
give you that Bigley.
Yes, come on science. Because what it is, is it's a hot button
topic that you can make people feel self conscious about. So
that's why they don't want to come on. But I'll keep moving.
But respectability politics is the all encompassing shield to
push back against anything that you may
question about anybody.
I owe you want me you want to put me in a box, right? Kind of
this is where the court this is where the crown act comes from.
And all these things in that nature. Hey, I call roll. I used
to have the straight back and ever since Come on. But when I
had to get a security job was like, you got to cut your hair.
It's like well, do I want to look cool, but I want to work,
which is not right. That makes them I cut their hair. But at
the same time if you're trying to present a militaristic style
look, you got to have the fresh cut to go with it. You're
saying? It's just so you know, I was I was fired several times
for not cutting my hair. Oh, you should have called it
respectability politics. They were respecting your crown.
Okay.
We didn't have this shit yet. We hadn't figured that out. We were
working on it still. So what they're doing is what the
treatment always do. You open the door and he will hold it
while we get all these other things pushed in.
Exactly.
They're not ready, but okay, Brittany Cooper has gone to 36.
And let me give a little background Brittany Cooper.
She's a severe black man hater but continue on. And it has
since become a subsequent book project. And that book is called
Beyond respectability. The intellectual thought of race
woman. And my goal in that book is not to write the sort of
stuffy academic tome about black women as thinkers, although I do
want it to be taken seriously and to have these women taken
seriously. But it's also to say that these women were complex
and interesting that they both thought robustly about how to
help black communities get free by day, but that they were also,
you know, fun and interesting, folks. So there's the fact that
like, one of the things I discovered as I was writing
about Ida B wells is that she had a shopping habit, and that
sometimes she couldn't pay her rent because she spent too much
more money at The Dressmaker shop, right.
I found out as I was writing that Mary church Tarot was like
an exquisite arbiter of shade or what we would call shade in this
day and time, you know, so I tell a great
story in my book about how a bunch of white women kept on
mistaking Mary church to row for white woman. And they kept
calling asking her where they could find the American vigorous
that was coming to give a talk at this conference. And they
were talking to her and didn't realize who they were talking
to. And so she had a joke at their expense and played along
with it with the with the ruse and then, and then on the day of
the conference, she stands up and gives this magnificant
magnificent speech in French and German and shuts them all down.
And there's nothing there's a black girl magic to that, that
we sometimes miss because we think of Mary charts too. Well,
it's kind of a stuffy elitist black lady from the 19th
century.
So basically, they tried to paint the narrative for these
women as being a human, or their former human all like, Oh, she
she was bad for her money, too.
I heard that.
Right. So that's the that's what it is, is you might want to be
good with your money. I don't want you to tell me how to spend
my money.
It's like what you realize debt is slavery, just man just
looking at Brittany Cooper, she looks she reminds me of Stacey
Abrams, in a lot of a lot of ways, a lot of ways and that is
a that is by design. That is by design. But um, we're saying
that the who the money and the controlling forces behind these
people are these ideas where they come from. But on the flip
side of this, we're going to really look at the money and the
power behind the mat Gumtree boys, both bus boycott Neva knee
brought up as being somebody else. But this is the point they
don't deal. In fact, they deal in narrative. So before we do
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Alright, so I got to give Miss Lin Neva knee, a little history
lesson about the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Not disrespect. But if
you're going to tell the facts, you got to tell him correctly.
And she said that a lady that she mentioned was pulling the
strings and out of bronze that she did the brains and the
bronze behind the boys bus boycotts. Not exactly. We've
talked about the daughters of Virginia during her husband. On
the episode we talked about Rosa Parks, which sets my mind. But
um,
so now we have to really dig into it. Because just, I'm using
this to prove a point that if you're going to go, if you're
going to get dig go way down the rabbit hole. So now we have to
look at the doors of Montgomery one. What I remember is just
what a mesmerizing storyteller she was.
We had done research on the southern conference for human
welfare and that anti poll tax campaign and so on.
That, but Virginia really wanted to talk about was a much more
personal story. And it was a story about how a young woman
growing up in the circumstances she was in, learn to think in a
certain way about race and class and have certain sets of
expectations and ideals. And then how the world began to
change around her. And she gradually woke up to a different
way of looking at the world
was a story about the making of a traditional Southern lady and
unmaking
and re education of a southern woman.
I that I go way back yonder, that and tell you who the
granddaddy was, we will start with reconstruction.
So Virginia under she was known as a great storyteller.
Rosa Parks worked as a senior seamstress for her her husband,
her husband was a lawyer at the time. And so we're going to get
into the past of Virginia under examine her motives for getting
involved in the civil rights movement, which it wasn't even a
civil rights movement at a time when she got involved down at
Montgomery. So what we have to do now is go back and look at
her background. Any comments before we get into next clip?
No, no, I'm following along. Alright, 38.
My great grandfather married a woman named Hannah Johnston.
Anyway, they still established themselves in millions brains,
and he was adopted. And they lived in great style. My
recollection is that when I first remember the plantation,
they owned about 35,000 acres of land, which was a lot of one has
remembered that in Alabama, there hadn't been a lot of big
plantations, most plantations were small, they were four or
500 acres, 600 acres, 700 acres. And unlike that, foster
plantations were 1000s and 1000s of acres. I mean is it just
absolutely boggles the mind to think the wealth and power of
the foster family.
What happened during
the Civil War, it was
just so crazy, you know, hate
passes into the swamps, and I loved them dearly. And I bought
a PC on the remaining tradition of the slave system being
benevolent.
In the late 19th, early 20th century, when Virginia was
growing up, there is this invention of the plantation
south and the myth of this wonderful era where African
Americans were happy being subordinate, where white women
were happy being subordinate, and white men were able to
provide everything that everybody needed, without
actually having to work very hard. This partition myth of
somehow this this ideal position in the past is
a fiction. I mean, it's when you say it like that. It has to be a
fiction. It can be anything but
infection.
This is a fascinating period. I know so little so little about
and I'm waiting for the real because of where they know Rosa
by know the Rosa Parks story. And well, what really came
before Rosa Parks so I'm interested how it all ties in.
Oh, you would never know much about this period. Because it's
so pivotal to American history. It's shrouded and nothing but
narrative. Yeah, nothing. I mean, that's black people you
about you were sold. That was it. But enter Eleanor Roosevelt
had a big role in all of this somehow. Right. And
her and other people as well. But just to get Virginia der
where she was originally from Virginia Foster, and her foster
family, as you heard a man say the average the average
plantation was about 500 1000s and 1000s 35,000.
Now just saying how many slaves you got to have, and work a
35,000 acre plantation, and she comes from the romantic
tradition of slavery, or she was very much a aristocratic
Southern woman. Um, so just for perspective, we always had that
clip Massa speaks with the slave masters talking about how black
people were like children and all of that. That was from the
heritage of slavery, Fannie Lou Hamer, and Lauren Bennett. So I
have been saving this clip the top from the time I clip that,
and this is Mrs. And speaks. But underneath the graciousness old
relationships are often found intact. descendants of slaves
work for descendants of slave owners, Mrs. Lana leg retains
the tone of a path to see cherishes. So Daisy was my
little play me, my me and my friend, and the daughter of
Katherine, who was a cook that we are doing.
And so, all those years, we played together, and everyone
was happy. We never heard of all these things we hear about
today. And they were nearly 100 enormous race plantation, with
many animals around and beautiful house and I bought 100
colored people there.
When we love them, they were friends.
And then it's no disgrace to see they're like children when we
say when we see that.
It's because they are like happy children. Some of them
like to sit in the sun, rather than work hard.
And they'd rather
work play than work. If you could, would you paint a picture
for us of what it was like on the plantation in your early
days. It was a lovely happy time living in open spaces. With many
lovely colored people and animals and flowers and fields.
My father had everything without a braid from the pigs, horses,
the dogs, and the people had to be thoroughbred
man good times. thoroughbred people
this is where that primitive people narrative cows from from
the Midlands and Harlem
they're happy they just want to get out in the sunshine and sing
and dance and we have to be with the other animals over and over.
Yeah, we just had we have the governor I mean yeah, but
doesn't do anything. They won't do anything. They'll just sit in
the sun. Right What would they do and and this is where okay
the princess in the frog? I don't know if you familiar that
movie or not. But that's that's the black princess but one thing
is a lot of problematic means is going on here with modern modern
movies. And one of them being in that it was big daddy. Remember
Big Daddy was the white man and he I don't know what the hell he
did but he was just big daddy had all the money and his
daughter and play with here you know saying and she didn't
really have to take life seriously cuz she had it all
figured out big Daddy's gonna figure it out for Big Daddy on
the plantation. Hello. Exactly. The
mouse movie. FYI, another mouse gotta go.
But with that said, Now we got to go back to Virginia and dirt
just give you some perspective of the plantation life and
the happy go lucky slave mentality and the romantic
history of slavery. So now let's go back to Virginia under this
plantation myth of somehow this this ideal position in the past.
is
a fiction. I mean, it's when you say it like that it has to be a
fiction, it can be anything but a fiction. The only part that
fits is if you look at this through the eyes of children.
And my grandmother, I remember, she died when I was about eight.
So I remember there was named, she had married when she was 15.
And she had, you know, she was like a queen bee, you know what
I mean? She had always been surrounded by servants or
slaves. And she never had anything in her life, but just
be charming. And she was very, like a charm. For grandmothers
lived in a world which had gone through the trauma of the Civil
War, the trauma of reconstruction, the trauma of
racial change of emancipation. But by the time her grandmother
reaches her maturity, or her grandmother lived in a world of
the reconstruction of the social order, so you go from slavery to
slavery by another name, which is sharecropping, having people
working there who had been descendants of slaves, probably
living on the plantation, very comfortable, secure, and
romantic world. And to her that was the ideal of Southern
womanhood to have the life of, of the lady of the plantation
really. And even when she talked about it later in life, it was
this great happiness. I mean, because it was early on, and of
course, he came to oppose everything that that world
represented, but
but it was a formative part of her life.
I like the queen bee reference. Yeah, well, that. That's that's
the point right there. If the queen bee is a meme in itself,
that if you see you think about it, a woman in America that has
all Maine has people around her her pampering her painting her
fingernails or toenails and doing her bidding, and she has
an assistant and a maid and, and a butler. And so this is, this
is what we aspire to. Right?
Exactly. Do we call queen bee? No. Ah, all of the reality show
the same thing. That's when you really made it when you have
these people just prepping and pampering you and every beck and
call.
This is actually actually it's one thing to have Pieper people
pampering you, and having them there for your beck and call.
Having a reality show is one step above that. But in a weird
way, most people who have the reality show really aren't like
that at all. They're really quite pathetic. It's a whole
thing, though. Yeah, of course. I understand. Yes. That's why
that's why it's your hits.
And then if you want to go to you know, get back to Game of
Thrones. This was the narrative around Khaleesi I think her name
was denarius. Targaryen the fair haired mother the dragons. This
white woman with her grand dragons. Yeah.
That was the power behind her really.
She birthed the grand dragon again, again, I have to say mo I
did not watch Game of Thrones. I had other things to do. No, but
I'm just saying but that's the main behind her. There was even
a picture of her with a she's being lifted up by all these
colored people, people of color. And she's This is fair hair
maiden. And they're lifting and passing her through the crowd
and she's the great emancipator. Now don't let this stuff slip
Pat they put this in for us she caught a lot of heat with Game
of Thrones caught a lot of heat for for
for doing it. Yeah, cuz it wasn't lost on people. The same
thing with the hell Okay, you make a modern movie and it's not
the black women falling behind white women. I mean, this this
is they push this mean and I said I'm not being divisive.
What I'm saying is this what sets the expectations for the
dealings between women which really if
they will start shaming each other or are shaming the right
people, the people that's against humanity then we'll be
better off but they put these people on a pedestal to be
worshipped by Gods or goddesses
always always a bad idea this goes way too far with it that's
the real issue I have with it that is is the the worship part
of it. And this thing trickles down into a society which you
have young girls having me in worship them and they call them
pay pigs, but that's another story for another show. Um,
yeah, cuz they call it a tithing. Yes, sure.
Crazy times. Um, so let's go back to Virginia during now
we're gonna see why she was
Problem.
Her opponents, and what who was the power behind her? For those
first few years 5152 53 they have a relatively low profile in
Montgomery. And then quite out of the blue, they're thrown into
the spotlight. Well, Virginia his efforts to to be quiet. mean
her cover was blown in 1954. As you know, the brown really is on
the horizon. And Senator James eastland sees really through you
though black and the southern progressives as a way to try to
smear a brown is some kind of communist conspiracy. So
Virginia gets a subpoena to go to New Orleans for hearing.
Now,
what social security cards have you held since 1952?
declined to answer that question on grounds previously state. In
1954 eastland, Senator from Mississippi opens the first set
of hearings in the south in New Orleans on this question of
communist infiltration of various aspects of American life
and the US government.