Moe Factz with Adam Curry for ebruary 23 2021. This is
pisode number 59. It's been a hile we had a little bit of a
limate challenge down south. 'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas
nd my friend on the other end omewhere in Northern Virginia
adies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo acts
I'm in the groove man.
Mo Yeah. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. You said you
were in the group. So I was
like, What did I do? Did I scare him off? Yeah, I was like, oh,
song don't disrupt this group.
Thank you. No, I was just bumping and bopping along. Oh,
yeah, I can do this. I do a mo. I'm doing well. You all thought
out? Yeah, we've got electricity restored. That was out for a
couple days. And oh, man, that was right. That's kind of
happened. Right? Those days when you're supposed to record a
couple days before actually. And then, you know, everyone's pipes
were blowing up. And so ours didn't Luckily, but we did have
to boil water for a couple of days. And that made grocery
shopping tough because you can't have any produce and no
restaurants are open. But we're, we're Texans. And now it's you
know, 70 degrees. Everything's fine. As if nothing happened is
the weirdest thing. Yeah, merge and sharpen. Everyone's back to
normal. Oh, well, that was that. And I felt kind of bad cuz the
last show was teasing you about your 31 degrees.
Well, yes, you did. You damned us. Mo you you put you put a
curse on us. But you experienced experiencing ice again. So
that was a it was interesting to be in.
To be in the crisis zone for real for once. But everything's
good. Everyone's safe. Everybody we know is safe. Yeah. Everyone
helped each other out. Well, all good. One little thing I did
notice about your experience in Texas. Yeah, they didn't have a
catchy name for it. Or I didn't hear one. Did they have that
word? Ah, that's a good question. No, I think just the
pole. Yeah, I mean, the polar vortex was the overall kind of
thing that was discussed. But down here, I think it was just
like this situation.
That's probably what we call that this situation. Cuz
normally the climate things they always want to brand new me.
Yeah, there was. There was no brand before was there. No,
that's interesting. Again, it was right there. I mean,
now that didn't grab it. I don't know what happened. I think was
too shocking, really wasn't planned somehow. For his counter
narrative. Yeah. Well, there you go. Yeah. Enough, enough
narratives floating around about that event for sure everyone's
joining in on it.
And of course, black and brown communities suffered much harder
than anybody else. They always do. And
disproportionate. Yes. just bringing the latest news. How
you doing? Well, everything good up there are over them and
everything. Everything's great. We was under Lera I saw stuff
but nothing in comparison to what you experienced. I'm
slipping and sliding around everywhere. It was strange
because it wasn't that much ground covering but everywhere
was just like a sheet of ice. Right? So you, you couldn't
scrape it or you couldn't shovel it now your kids back in school
yet? Are they? Oh, man, is that ever gonna happen? Is anyone is
there a light at the end of the tunnel? Well, from this
experience, I'll say two things and then we can get into the to
the bag. But I want to say two things about this experience of
working from home and schooling from home. I think it took away
the angst for me personally, I think for a lot of people that
this may be the new normal
for work, I know this is highly likely. And if that's the case,
then homeschooling becomes a real option. Right? Because you
see the quality education your kids are getting if i can i can
top that better. Yeah, so I'm not sure man man me and Mrs.
Facts are wearing options. We're gonna discuss discuss it over
the summer, but I don't think they're gonna go back. I don't
think they're gonna go back this year. That's just crazy man.
That is just crazy.
unfathomable nightmare. I don't have any kids anymore. So I was
like, it doesn't. Nothing has changed that much for us in that
regard. But I can just imagine what a change. Well luckily like
my wife works. When she part time or when she's available to
and then me working from home. We are one of the blessed
families. I know a lot of people
are having to deal with having to physically be at work and
what are you doing with your kids? So, it is a sucky
situation but luckily I'm in a blessed situation. All right.
Okay, so we're all caught up, Adam. oh no what what's going on
in our in our personal lives? Why don't we? Let's see what you
got going on for us. I'm excited. It's been way too long
where it stops. Nobody knows. Only mo knows. This is the weird
of topics. The topic for Episode 59 of mo factors Adam Curry is
you could have your own thoughts, bro.
Okay, so we're gonna pick up Tinder is one of the few times
that we pick up where we left off on the last show.
We spoke about the African American Museum
Cairo
aka known as the district, Columbia DC and the African
American Museum they built there. Did you go down some
massive rabbit hole mo is that what happened? Is
we going deeper today. Oh, we're going Whoa, we're going super
deep. Get that extra duty extra heavy duty 10. Full already?
Yep. all wrapped on. I'm good to go. Yeah. So I guess we'll like
I said, we'll pick up where we left off. This is a throwback
clip from
the last show, and this is tokenism and whiteness. When the
National Museum of African American History in DC first
opened its doors to the public, President Obama was there to
commemorate it.
Perhaps they can help a white visitor understand the pain and
anger
of demonstrators in places like Ferguson. But it can also help
let visitors appreciate the fact that
not only is this younger generation carrying on
traditions of the past, but
within the white communities. Across the nation, we see the
sincerity of law enforcement officers and officials. Imagine
a democrat saying that today. He or she would be thrown out of
the party for that level of nuance. Well, now instead of
being a symbol of progress and reconciliation, the museum has
embraced the radical left language of racial retribution,
all to cast America as irredeemably racist and an evil
country. And you the American taxpayer are funding it. Isn't
that neat? Yeah, racial retribution. Well, yeah, we're
gonna we're gonna pick up on that in a second. But this came
out maybe around December, from the National Museum of African
American Studies, what we're talking about is
the Smithsonian put out this piece called whiteness. Right?
Talking about race. Yeah, hold exam. This was this was the
precursor
to the things that you're seeing now. I don't know if you're up
to speed on Walker cola or not? Yes. And all the corporate
training? Well, I don't know how to describe this world Coca Cola
yet. But yeah,
for sure. So it's always amazing how these things Tom out there.
Can I ask you that? Is that is that a big thing in on black
Twitter, welcome cola.
And let me put it this way. So this is so Tina keeps seeing
this pop up on her Twitter, which her timeline is going to
be different from both of ours?
in you know, so the Coca Cola is just being excoriated everywhere
it can be done. So is that is that a thing? Or how is that
viewed? Well, my timeline is a little different when one
because I'm not as active on Twitter as I used to be. I used
it really, really just for promotion and things of that
nature. But I also have a right leaning a black right leaning
Twitter feed. So it came through in a different way. Okay, not as
it came in is excoriating on this piece. But I guess the
source material was, I guess, I'm saying is there some head
shaking going on? always, like, all this pandering? What's what
we're gonna we're gonna get into this document, what is pushing?
That's why I had to lay out the last show who's in charge
and where the narratives are coming from. And I truly believe
this National Museum of African American African American
History and Culture is a propaganda you know, hub. Oh,
yeah. You pushing things out like this. And like I said, this
came out in December. And how can I say this? I know people
close in corporate America and right after that. You had the
top five of the Fortune 500 companies. Yeah, all of them are
doing this. All because you don't want to be the guy not
doing it. So Right. Right. Right. You
Bringing the the white
for Julie lady.
I forget her name that wasn't some of this coursework
available on LinkedIn. The educational LinkedIn website was
it was
gone it was
it was taken down so that lets you know that it was it wasn't
well received. So right before before we jump into that and
what we're going to talk about the the parent document to what
we've seen is gonna we're gonna we're gonna get way deep into
that. But I wanted to pick up on a couple of things that you
picked right up on it the ratio retribution, and this is where
the right always loses. They had a great opportunity, Trump's
doubled the black vote and the brown vote, turnout from what
they're normally getting. Yeah. And instead of riding that
progress, they come with terminology because if you look
at the word retribution,
it is punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance, yes. Or a
wrong or criminal act kind of the opposite of atonement. Well,
Mr. Curry, I'm glad you brought that up. Because I did I didn't
clip it. But we will be talking about this later. But our our
atonement
only got one leg. Yeah. And where do we find that in the
wild? Who was saying that? That was that the HR 40 hearings?
Right. Herschel Walker? Yes. Yes. dropped it. He said
reparations and atonement. He was reading.
Notes, man. He was like, wait a minute homeless. Show Notes.
Rev. Mo facts over here. Oh, yes. atonement. That's a word
I'm looking for. Yeah, that was so cool. Just to
touch on that one for one second. The words matter. We
always say that reparations are non starter cuz it when you say
that word, then people hear retribution. Yeah. So where
atonement is the offending party wants to make good performance?
Yeah, it's the point of performing at not being forced
forced to do it. Yeah. So I just want to point that out. And
even though in this clip from Fox with Ingram on the anger
angle, she puts out good information. When you say words
like that. It falls on deaf ears. And that just goes back to
what you were saying. How was it received? Right? People roll
their eyes when they hear everything that follows that
they just gloss over and it was that was that editorializing by
Frau Ingraham or was she reading a direct quote?
Gosh, that was she was editorial editorial. He was okay. Okay.
Okay. Well, then she, when people hear reparations from the
right, they hear retribution. I mean, that that's why I think
it's a shame on her. There's no reason to do that. Yeah, it's
not but it's the party line. Yeah, I don't like it. Well,
they have to evolve, evolve, evolve.
And they have a golden opportunity to evolve.
Yes, exactly. And then and so we're gonna get into part two of
this, that that was the one of the clips that recovering the
last show, but I split it up into two parts. So we're gonna
get into part B of that same throwback clip. Now, the museum
now has a website dedicated to explaining the concept of
whiteness, and why it's the root cause of racism and oppression
in America today. According to the website, the normalization
of white racial identity throughout America's history has
created a culture where non white persons are seen as
inferior, or abnormal. And when they say whiteness, they don't
just mean skin color, but also people who value things like
individualism, a stable nuclear family, the scientific method,
rational, linear thinking, hard work, Christianity, and being
polite. Of course, these are all values that most Americans,
especially African Americans see as necessary for success and
happiness. So why in the heck is the African American History
Museum telling them otherwise?
Push your property propaganda that's
looking at their website again, and I'm like, Oh, yeah, now I
remember. Oh, yeah. Cuz
DeAngelo D'Angelo, I believe she's a doctor. Um, she's up
there. They got bill hooks. I mean, they went, Whoa. So you
see the court, the corporate it must have $100 million they got
from these from the donors, the founding donors. Uh huh. It's
Oprah Winfrey Charitable Foundation. 20 million or above,
you know, of course, Bill and Melinda Gates and but if you
look at the American Express, Boeing, Ford, GE,
Fox, Bank of America, Disney GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson and
Johnson Nike. Just it's
It's like a who's who? Oh my gosh, is anybody you can imagine
every bank are the top 500 companies, the fortune 500
companies plus easily, easily. This is a bonanza. Wow. And I
wonder if this is part of that time magazine article, but we
weren't doing we're not gonna go down. That's a whole separate
rabbit hole. But I think it plays into that. But what I want
to talk about today is the museum's attack on as Ingram
laid out, Ingraham laid it out a scientific method slash rational
linear thinking, individualism, hard work, Christianity slash
being polite, and stable, nuclear family, all of these
targets. Right? All of these are targets. And I don't understand
how getting rid of these things help so called black people, or
quote unquote, black people, I don't I don't understand how
that works. We need to have linear thinking and scientific
method that way. I mean, as when we talked about the suspected
issues with the election, we laid out the numerical facts.
Yeah, that's how you prove things is not emotion. So if you
take numbers and
we're gonna, I'm gonna go down the list. So we're gonna start
with a scientific method and rational linear thinking. So
what we're gonna do is going to go back a little bit.
And we talked about the I can understand where they come from,
where they're coming from about, there's some issues with how
numbers are interpreted. And we, you know, it's interesting
because
I've tried to explain, and I don't do a great job. So I'll
just set this up.
When you hear math is racist, I usually say look, moe and I
talked about this. That's because it goes back to the
super predators, when they had all these millions of kids be
running around killing everybody chopping their heads off. And it
turned out that was just the bullcrap. Like, climate change,
I'm sorry, climate change, or even the, you know, two and a
half million people gonna die and Coronavirus, and therefore,
because what they said can be disproven with mathematical
truth. Math has to be racist. Did I get it right like that?
That's exactly what their claim is. But we're gonna look at how
this true but it's also dangerous when you throw
statements out there, like math is racist. So let's go ahead and
jump into a clip for a super, super predator scare.
A jogger murdered in New York Central Park, a little girl
gunned down in her family's car in Los Angeles, a judge has
sentenced two boys for killing another child who refused to
steal candy for them. There's a tidal wave of juvenile violent
crime right over the horizon. And sons who study it say the
worst is yet to come. Life in the 1990s was dominated by a
sense that youth violence was out of control. The future
looked bleak. To explain why one word said it all super
predators. Some social scientists and criminologists
looked at the data and saw Doom, they stepped out of their ivory
towers and into the public arena, to sound the alarm about
a coming wave of kids who are going to ravage the country
to kill your town.
Beautiful. So they got it wrong. But the problem is that people
from the ivory towers are the same people this writing this a
propaganda that's coming out of the Smithsonian. So it's like we
got it wrong, but trust us, we'll get it right this time. So
that was a just a precursor. That was her own show, though
back show me on show 41. And what I found some more evidence
that possibly that math could be even more racist than we thought
that we even previously thought, Okay, all right. Let's just go
ahead and hop into algorithmic bias explained, algorithms are
everywhere. From powering our internet search results to
taking out the guesswork in our online shopping experience. They
are everywhere we use and trust them each and every day to make
countless decisions for us. Despite this seemingly neutral
mathematical nature. algorithms, however, aren't necessarily any
more objective than humans, because at the end of the day,
they have written by people and this is where the phenomenon of
algorithmic bias comes into play. It has many examples. Like
when Nikon cameras equipped with the blink detection feature, I
wouldn't snap photos of many of its Asian users, because the
software thought their eyes would never opened, or how
Amazon's Alexa struggles to recognize different accents. And
when Google Translate insistently associated certain
jobs with certain genders, while translating sentences with
gender neutral pronouns from languages like Turkish, Finnish,
and Chinese
In 2015, Google's photo recognition tool mistakenly
tagged a photo of two black people as gorillas. Meanwhile,
in the US, a crime predicting algorithm wrongly labeled black
people were offenders at nearly twice the rate of white people.
You see the pattern here, algorithm bias is rooted in the
way AI, artificial intelligence algorithms work by using what's
called machine learning and deep learning, which are both ways in
which computers make decisions. Both are simply dependent on
data, a huge amount of it, and ultimately, the people who feed
the data.
Yeah, I know a lot about this, actually. And that's why I'm
glad you are taking this ride with me. So it's not that math
is racist, or addition, subtraction, and calculus and
differential equations, those are not racist. No, it's the
it's the notions that the people who feed and interpret the data,
and the companies they work for are putting out racist products
if you want to, if you want to, if you want to make that leap,
and that's
good. But that's really what's so, so interesting to me about
the conversation is because the algorithm and the computer can
only represent that which was put in by the creators. And,
you know, it's like, if you had the exact right amount, that's
why they talk about equity all the time. But if you had the
proportionally to the,
to the population, the exact right amount of programmers or
people who would input this information, you still get a
whole bunch of bias because people are biased. You know,
it's never it's never gonna be right. Never ever, it's not even
that it's the end user. They never take the end user in mind
as well.
They don't care about the end user. Type. It's just a black
blackout the picture for a minute and to speak about the
Chinese. Yeah, the camera went take a picture because of the
blink detection. thought. I mean, cuz they have a naturally
closed eye. Where was the outrage over that? I wish I had
known that one. That's funny. Yeah. When they give their
product to Asian test market and get that feedback back, or did
they just take it with it? Yeah. So so we have to hold it do as
they list it. Amazon, Google.
Google's call them black people apes? I mean, like, Well, I
mean, but to be fair, yeah, algorithms, gorillas, gorillas,
excuse me.
Algorithms aren't just bias based upon,
you know, external features, what someone looks like, there's
algorithms being applied to people's credit ratings and
insurance policies. And it's, and it can be based on many
factors that can be wrong. So the algorithms just remove the
human factor, and it's just going to suck for a lot of
people it always does. And this is true, what what I'm saying is
these companies that are offending, turn around and
support this museum in their efforts, but their products are
the problem and the way they do their data analysis and data
feeding. That's the problem, right? No, it's math. No, math
is racist.
Man, yes, not us. It's the math. Yes.
It's so sick. It's so sick. Oh, I get sicker because now we're
gonna go over to Mr. Haney, for read. He is a Dartmouth
professor, excuse me, professor. And what he's going to talk
about is this criminal justice algorithm. Now, there you go,
you have almost all been subject to a computerized predictive
algorithm of the following form. If you like x, you may like why
now you may be less aware that you've also may have been
subjected to a predictive algorithm of the form. If you
are like x, we may not give you a loan.
Banks financial institutions routinely use your personal
attributes,
compares them to previous customers to assess the risk to
the institution, in terms of giving you a loan or mortgage.
You may have also recently been subjected to a predictive
algorithm of the form. If you are like x, we may not give you
a job.
Employers, and in some cases, university admissions are using
predictive algorithms to make hiring and admission decisions.
And if you've recently had a run in with the criminal justice
system, while I'm sorry, first of all, and second of all, you
may have been subjected to a predictive algorithm of the
following form. If you're like x, then you may go to jail.
Courts now are routinely using predictive algorithms to make
decisions in the courtroom. One particularly popular and now
widespread algorithm is used at the point of a
Rashed to make bail decisions.
Yeah. It's not that the algorithms are wrong. It's all
racists get rid of bail.
Yeah, exactly. So
as we think over here at the Adam Curry show, yeah. Is this a
case of galleon dialectic that way you create the problem?
Yeah. And you provide the solution to the problem, right?
So it's like, so you say, how do we get rid of math? All right,
let's make our algorithms racist. And then we can push him
say, You know what? It's not about mathematics and what you
can prove and facts. It's about what you feel, is what feels
good. It's not what feels good. Yeah. And these companies get
even richer off of manipulating the algorithms. But yeah, I
mean, so basically, it's a closed, closed loop, you just
amplify, you can do all kinds of cool stuff with that. That's
really good. That's a great way to do it. Yeah. So
that's just amazing that judges are not calculating and looking
at your record Are you know, lawyers are not looking at your
records say, Well, he's a repeat offender. They stole your your,
your record into the Yeah, whatever it says and out not
he's a repeat offender. And be clear. I'll let's be clear, as
we always say, what is what starts here?
Yeah, no?
Yeah. You think this is not gonna be used? Oh, it already
is? Oh, I think it already is mo Oh, definitely.
And, and you know what? The same stuff is being used in health
care, my friend. Yeah, you have these symptoms? Could you?
Here's the medication you need.
Huh? Yeah, no, or even even Oh, you bought high salt food you
bought high sugar food insurance? Raise your premiums?
My premiums keep going up? Yeah. We saw this with with the car
insurance situation where they had the standard thing that you
would plug into your I think it's called an OEM
onboard and oh OBD you're plugging in and ride around for
a week or two. And they will take your data and they will
give you a lower insurance rate. Yep. Progressive has that now
you can see a little dongle I think or even not even that. I
think it just, I think they just as long as you have it on in
your car with your smartphone, your smartphone is passing back
the data. They can almost know everything. Oh, yeah, that's
fantastic. companies give you a
discount mo if you download the app and give you know of your
roadside assistance. If you need it, we can find you. GPS but
they're tracking this is why this is what Credit Karma is all
about. This is the most egregious Credit Karma talk
about my credit me You always disagree with Credit Karma, we
can have this discussion, because this is the perfect
episode have it go ahead. And I'll explain to you why I like
Credit Karma, Credit Karma is is managing its users initially to
help them get better credit scores, then to help them get a
loan based upon their score a larger line of credit, and now
they've moved towards, if you stream your videos, with
Netflix, you'll get a better credit score. And next it'll be
if you watch this video, you get a little extra credit score, but
we noticed you watched that video that made your credit
score go down, that's coming. And so I'm against all this. So
I'm gonna explain to you why credit score is not it's not
even a real credit score. Well, no, it is not, but it correlates
to your you know, the official credit score that you know,
lenders not really but that's debatable debate if that one
goes up typically the one that they bank, it and I reason why I
say I like it, is I understand the game, they're collecting my
data in there, you know, I want to get that. But beforehand,
before these apps came along, people were credit illiterate. I
mean, you knew that you paid your bills and you know, and you
know that kind of thing, but knowing how to manipulate your
credit score. Now was gamified I mean,
you if you know how to play this system with that bad boy. You
can get your credit score to boom and I say this
so called black man I'm gonna get there. What do you need?
What do you need the credit score for you what Moe? What do
you need your credit score for when I when I bought a home and
when I go to buy a car. I'm just knowing this. I mean, like I
said, What is explained and I don't want to make it long.
thing out of this. But what it did was it explains all the
components of a credit score, which this is how racism used to
work, a lot of this knowledge would be hid behind walls and
doors. And this is why racism has changed in the information
age. It's not that it's not that I'm accepting of Credit Karma,
the company per se, but the many people be educated about how to
affect your credit in a positive way. This is all new to us.
When I got my working class, I got the problem I have is that
with most of these systems, you're giving them access to
your bank account, and they can see all your transactions. And
that's just evil shit.
But I'm in the School of they already see it. I mean, so I
mean, I guess, and I think this is where our age difference
plays into. Yes, I was. I was 20. I was 21 and 2001.
So
I'm just used to being I'm used to being surveilled. So I mean,
it's nice. Just, I'm sorry to hear that.
Well, I mean, it's the that's the reality of it. So when you
come in from from that angle, where they surveilling me
anyway, there's nothing private anyway. Um, I just thought, I'll
take the benefits of it. And I and I understand that the
gamified, I got it all,
you're probably, you know, you are a stronger individual than
most. There's a lot of tricks being played in this toll, not
just Credit Karma, specifically. But these types of apps, there's
multiple kinds. And they are in, in essence, trying to get people
into deeper debt, and get them to buy things based upon what
the algo thinks they will want. That's all I know, it's funny. I
just
think a lot of people don't know that. I think most people
probably don't know that. And it's funny that you say that.
Because me class, aka coach was having this same exact
conversation. I'm not a person that wants to protect people
from things. I only want to educate people of all the
ramifications, and then let people freely choose, of course,
how I you know, because we can't we can't put up safeguards like,
No, no, no, you can't do that. No, you can't do this. But this
is what we do with this show. I mean, we don't tell you what the
thing which is explaining the what the manipulation is that if
you want to continue to participate in it, it's your
choice. But understand what you're getting to. So I'll bring
that back around. But yeah, I mean, with good comms bad,
right? algorithms and all these things. This is all new to us.
And that's why I said like, being black in the information
age, it was totally different for being black in the 1960s and
70s, and even a pre internet, because there was no way you
could get a main blonde to China to get your products made. And I
know people like well, why are you buying from China? But it's
like, well, if the whole industry supply from China,
right. And I'm trying to be a small business person.
This is the first time we had that kind of access, and got it.
Do you know, so I'm just explaining to you. I mean, just
mean, we got what we do here we humanize? And we don't know
that we humanize these functions that we know we use and
that it's it's a gift and a curse. So you have to be
educated. And I think people want not be educated. And that's
the way it works.
Can we agree on that? For sure?
Well, that's what we're talking about here that what they're
trying to destroy education. This is the role. This is the
role of this document. And let's get back into the criminal
justice algorithm. One particularly popular and now
widespread algorithm is used at the point of arrest, to make
bail decisions. And conceptually, it's a pretty
simple idea.
a defendant who has been charged with a crime is information is
extracted from them and is fed into a computer algorithm. And
that computer algorithm outputs a risk factor. And that risk
factor is meant to quantify the likelihood that that person will
commit a crime in the future. Think of a really simple version
of the Minority Report.
Without the creepy people in the pools, and if you are assessed
to be high risk, well, then the judge may deny bail and you will
be held in prison awaiting trial. And if you are assessed
to be low risk, then you may be released, pending trial. Now, in
2016, investigative journalists from Pro publica published a
troubling report on one particularly popular and
widespread predictive algorithm that is used in the courts
around this country.
And when
They found is that this particular algorithm was
significantly disadvantageous to black defendants. What they
found is that if you were a black defendant, you are nearly
twice as likely to be predicted as reoffending when you did not.
That happened 44% of the time, if you are black, and only 23%
of the time, if you are white, that is a staggering difference.
And at the same time, you were almost twice as likely to be
predicted as not offending, when in fact, you did if you are
white, as compared to black that happened 47% of the time, versus
28% of time. So in other words, the album is biased to black
defendants against black defendants.
So
what I find interesting about this, the algo was biased
against black defendants. But this this particular algorithm,
does it take skin color into the equation? I think it's the
bubble. Unless you fill out a Scantron it's like, white black,
or you know, Hmm, I think that's, of course, I mean, I
don't think they they're looking at your data, right?
I'm just gonna read here could it could it could have been
well, there's a particular type, I'm just just playing devil's
advocate for a second because this has always bothered me
about the story, because it always comes right after like we
did. Okay, so
the algorithm saw black people as gorillas, and then it was
biased against black people they sent him the the the block come
up more often than given bail. And so that would imply that in
the algorithm, some set of factors plus black is no go.
Yes, that would have to be programmed there. On purpose.
Exactly. Because that is that is not just a gorilla mistake, you
know that I can see how a computer that doesn't have
enough information can can maybe not make that distinction
initially. This has to be if it's any search set of
circumstances same to people except one is filled up black on
the bubble, and then they go to jail, then then that's on
purpose that can see it no other way. And Nast's that's my point.
Yeah, we have to look into these Come
on. Yeah. And they should really be a class action lawsuit.
Because when you say a given grant and people bail, say if
you got like, I'm trying to maybe like a DWI. Right, which I
that's something that you should be able to come home for pretty
quick. But if you're not wi x is not in Texas. Yeah. I was like
48 hours. I mean, but yeah, they say they give you an ordinate
and you're saying Lord in orderly large bail, and you miss
work, you miss work, you lose your job, you lose your job.
These things devastate people lives. Yeah. And it's just some
body coding like, Oh, yeah, um, it's the accuracy. Right? Right.
Right. It's like, Oh, we were you know, 97% accurate with our
decisions, but you're gonna screw some somebody over by, you
know, basically offer not skin color. And I'm glad you brought
that up. This is about corporate designation. This is about
racial designation.
So this is why we always talk about white and black and what
it really is, and we've expound on it a bunch. And we may get
into that a little later. But yeah, this is just another
line in the code that says if a marked black
Yeah, that needs to be disclosed higher bill that really needs to
be sliced as that I recall these stories, wasn't there. Wasn't
that code eventually brought up and didn't people look at it? Or
is that still not happened? They looked at it and then they
probably made a donation and it goes away, right? I mean,
where's all the Searles da is it? Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. This is why they're supposedly supposed to be
elected to fight the
Exactly. This is actually systemic. This is for real.
Yeah. By definition. Yes. The system is written or coded. To
say if you're black a you get a higher bill.
Just
just finally hit me it's like, computer didn't scan the person
standing there. No, it's not. There's no, there's no data
there that's gonna make that person more gorilla. Like, it's
just it probably doesn't say black or just as African
American. Right. Sure. Yeah, that needs to be investigated.
That's, that's really messed up. There's no other way than on
purpose. So I understand where they're coming up with their
issue with rational linear thinking and the scientific
method and math.
In general, right this is, what didn't they jumped the shark.
And we have to go back to show 14 because we were on top of
this all time ago. And this is math is racist.
The opposite of Donald Trump is an Asian man who likes math.
Andrew Yang may want to rethink that catchphrase, because
apparently, math is racist. Seattle's public schools are
considering a proposal that would mix social justice in with
math, including studying how math has been appropriated by
Western culture, and that math itself is racist. And Alessia
Parson is a sociologist and educator, who agrees with the
premise of the proposal, and joins me now. Alright, so and
let me let me just see where I'm confused. So you understand
what's going on? I am bad at math.
And if math is racist, then I'm also white. Does that make me
too dumb to be racist? Or not?
racist enough to be good at math?
not racist enough. Jesse. That's such a long conversation. First
of all, remember Dr. De Blasio, Parson? Yes. So please don't
refer to me by an but I appreciate it.
Excuse me, let me just show you my badge here for a moment.
That's a doctor and to you Mr. Jesse waters.
And is that does that not raise your privilege?
Was she is not she's white? Not talking about educational
academic privilege. That's all you will refer to me? As as Dr.
Of course it does. It's anyone who does that as a douche. But
how do you not miss that it's like you your your whole life
work is based off of privilege. And then you as soon as you know
you somebody that call you by your? Because your professional
moniker that he knows? Because she's there. Call me doctor.
She's there for the cause? Don't you understand most she's on the
battlefield against an actual racist? No. And that's that's
why you asked me before. I think black people so called black
people, quote unquote, black people are so over these these
these blue, these liberals? Because they're pandering is so
disgusting.
It makes the thing.
My dad, he always told me growing up, he was like writing
reading, that's, you know, you can get graded anyway on that. I
mean, there's some technical aspects to grammar and
no, English, you know, English and writing. But math.
That's the fair shit you can get. Yeah, as a person of
disadvantage. Because when you give me that test, there are
right answers to those questions. Right? If I get the
right answers, then I prove myself knowledgeable, right?
Where if I'm writing an essay, you can grade it on how you
feel, you know, it's all subjective. So as long as you
show how you got the wrong answer,
right, and even if you show your work,
showing data, if you show your work, you know, it can be it can
be racist, I know. It's horrible, right? So that's what
irks me about what I mean, because we played this clip on
show 14, so we were we were on top of this way, way back.
Because I understand. So if you take math out of it, then we
can't make the case of the previous clips, to say, look at
these results. You know,
you see, you see how destabilizing of society is when
you take rational linear thinking and mathematics out of
the picture? Well, what that what's crazy is that there's
never a good explanation for it. And everyone just goes, Okay,
you're an idiot. And then they keep saying it. Does there's no
resolution ever of this issue? Well, you make a good point. So
let's go that doctor and try to explain what she means. Tell me
why math is racist. Doctor.
Yes. So you It's funny. On November 6 2016, I was at a
conference on statistics. And I raised my hand and I was like,
Are you telling me statistics are racist?
And that was what, almost three years ago and I was really
confused when I asked the question and spent years reading
about many different things.
Have you Jessie read native son, which I gave you last time we
met.
I read it in high school, but I have not read
Read it since the last time you gave it to me. But what does
that have to do with is math racist?
So the critical race theory and is a framework for understanding
the world that helps us understand that this entire
country is racist, right? We have a white supremacist tasks
right? racial caste system in the United States.
For once, right? Are you saying that all white people in America
are racist?
Yeah, I am, too. Sometimes it happens. We were socialized to
practice the socialization and learning about social norms. So
you're, you're a racist.
Occasionally it happens. I usually apologize it when I
realized it, how are you a racist? What do you think my
superior?
Jessie, that question doesn't make sense. Well, isn't racism
the belief that one race is inherently superior than another
race, and then you discriminate against other races?
That is a piece of racism. But you give a definition. That's
really old. Yeah. And language evolves over time. And white
supremacy? What are what raised in white supremacy today? Yeah,
okay. They are structures that affect us all. So people do
things that are racist all the time, myself included, because
we don't realize that's happening. Like
microaggressions. Okay.
Yeah, I love it. Just. That's the old old definition of the
word. Your old man, you got it all wrong. It's not what the new
kids think.
So you see the conflation on top of that conflation on top of the
conflation? Yeah. Because you say one, we have some algorithms
and whey products are programmed to
do racist things. So you say math is racist in general, all
math. Two plus two is four, it is racist. And then you say, the
other conflation she does is racism and micro aggressions.
Yeah.
That's very, that's crazy to say, Okay, if you make a
microaggression, that makes you a racist, which, the reason why
I make this point is, then everybody become racist. And if
that's the case, then no one becomes racist. And they you
can't, you know,
that's just racist thinking right there. Mo you gotta stop.
You can't think like that.
I know, I did some math to get to that point where you said
racist formula.
But that is, that's very dangerous, because when real
racist acts happen? Yeah, then people are all they'll just
equate it to a microaggression. And it's not that's not the
case. But that's a very good point. That's a very good point.
And, and, and how much of that is maybe even planned.
so that it becomes completely normalized. You know what I'm
saying?
This goes back to the heady galleon dialectic, and it's
like, you know, are you trying to get rid of racism? Because
you've you are you just make it so benign?
that it doesn't mean anything. Yeah. Which I think I'm gonna
say this. And I probably shouldn't say this. I think
there are some factions in this country that want to get rid of
a das foundation of black native black people
as a whole, because that's the way you get rid of the great the
great sin of America. And then it's like, we can restart with
these new black people.
That's how we can move forward. Right. Hmm. And and they're,
they don't have this same med. Same stake in the game. No, I
mean, that's just like,
showing up for the goodies. Well, not Not only that, but you
don't realize that we're missing. Because you see about
everyday life, you'll see black.
Right, right. Right, right.
Because you say, you noticed that this Aidan's population
drops like to 5%. But you know, he didn't we know that 13% is
standard for this country for black people. For the for the
horse race. Last week, I mean, our last show, right? So if you
drop the A das population down to 5%, raise the immigrant and
you know, I'm new, you know, the
post racial black people. Let's just say post post slavery,
black people. Yeah. You bring those in to up to 8% that makes
you 13%. No, no, no, no one notices. Wow. And then you heard
what Joe Biden said. He doubled down on that he captured that in
this show, but I'll bring it up again. This great solution is
just enter interracial marriage.
Jeez, which I have no problem with you love what you love, but
that's your solution is to you gotta water you gotta water that
black girl some, you know,
cut on it.
Wow. Yeah, I guess yeah, yeah, that's how I heard it. I mean,
come on everybody heard what he said, and but it goes unnoticed
or not unnoticed but it's just not it's not about to be
discussed I guess or something in the mainstream. He said it
again I know he I know we keep doing on a town hall
and no one no one says Hey, what do you mean? What are you
talking about?
And I just say I don't say this from a racial standpoint, I say
this from a completely vain
standpoint that I want to make people that look like me. Yeah,
I told you being a parent is the same thing you could do in life
is, you know, hey, let me make another me. And even if your
kids turn out to look like the other half into genetics, right,
you're a little bummed out. Right? So it's not even about
race. This is like, you know, it's a it's a, it's a vanity
thing that you want to you know, you want to recreate because you
think you're so awesome. The world needs another little mo
two or three and God help us.
More Moe's gonna be
a whole gaggle of podcasters Yeah. So that's, that's
it's very, very troubling. So
she did this weird definition of white supremacy. So now we have
to go back to the shows definitely the the definition we
refer to on the show. Yep. And that comes from Neely Fuller.
And he defines racism and white supremacy? Well, there's we're
on a system of white supremacy. That's the most powerful
government that the world has ever seen. And that's the title
of it. By the way, it doesn't go by any other title, even though
we sometimes call it by other titles. But the accurate title
for the government that we are under is in capital letters. The
system of white supremacy worldwide is just one world
government. And that's the only government in town, the only
government on the planet, that grid accounts that is worthy of
having a title of government.
Yeah. So for all the non believer, you can't say and this
goes to my conspiracy theorist slash truth. You can't say the
Illuminati or the globalist, or these groups exist, and then say
that white supremacy doesn't exist. Because that's what we're
saying. When we say that we're saying they're synonymous. Yes,
exactly.
So when they make it about this, I mean, this racial superiority
and all of that, um, no, are these micro aggression? No,
we're talking about I call hard system that imposes will, no
matter what the people want, and we're seeing that now. And no
matter what color those people are, it does, it just starts
with us.
With a beta test, okay.
How's that been working? working? Okay.
That's what it is. That's, that's how we feel down. That's
how we feel with the vaccine and everything else, or you just
want to test it out on us.
But it doesn't make everybody who end up getting it, but it
just starts with us. But the thing is, our numbers are so
small. We can't withstand these attacks. And I can't call it any
other thing. We can't withstand these attacks.
Because our numbers can't absorb that hit. I mean, it's a white
cooler 50 60% we're 13 if you're talking about interracial will
be gone right before and then there was there will wake up one
day, but you know what, we need to change this, this practice
that we're doing, but then we're gone.
That's a real possibility. I mean, that that is that does
seem to be the overall belief in the color gi plan. That was
always the idea to brown population in Europe, you know,
so it makes total sense that that that's the idea here. And
that's what Malcolm said about the hot coffee and the cool the
cool cream. I mean, you mix it half and half you don't have
coffee or cream, which coffee and cream both have purposes.
And they have need they're needed in this society in their
own separate entities. Yes, exactly. Um, so I mean, I just
wanted to bring that up. So I mean, that pretty much wraps the
scientific method irrational and linear thing, but that's gonna
weave his way in and out of the rest of the episode, but I just
want to go on his checklist.
have things that they're trying to destroy. And when you do
that, it's I don't know, I find that very problematic. But um
now we're going to talk about individualism. So now we're
gonna go back to the Ingraham angle or Ingraham angle.
Ingraham. Yeah. So we're going back to her. And this goes to
show you the lack of individualism that free thinking
black people can have the way these two correspond back and
forth to each other and not forget there was Cooper versus
scotties. Excuse me, Horace Cooper, versus Scotty smart.
And just listen to this exchange, they have chorus, it
strikes me as odd that this African American Museum would
scandalized things that the data has always shown help Americans,
including African Americans, climb up the ladder. So you have
a $500 million. That's a half a billion dollar structure
edifice, that apparently thinks its purpose is to offer advice,
to cripple black America to say to black America, the very tools
that black Americans like white Americans have used to succeed
and become prosperous, hard work, tenacity, faith, the types
of success skills that work to call those somehow, a racial
category would make David Duke proud. This is really, really
sad, if that's the direction this museum is trying to go.
He said David do was hilarious. It makes me laugh. It is pretty
funny.
But he's right. These are the things we say, you know, hard
work. Taste, right. And I'm not specifically saying
Christianity, but I will say this, when a person has some
kind of faith system, especially my people are our people. They
You know, it tends to help them deal with society. You know, I
mean, I think that's in general, but I'll just go and speak
specifically to our group, because it gives you some kind
of
thought process, know and coping mechanism, a stable family. Like
I said, scientific method, hard work. These are all things that
we were taught, I mean, you work hard, you, you know, go to
school, get a good education. Make yourself a productive
member of society. And, you know, you you, you'll do I mean,
you'll be okay.
I'll say this, you lessens the chance you lessen the chance
that the system will chew you up and spit you out. Right. And
that's a real sentiment. I know, people might think that's
hyperbole. No, but that's, that is the feeling on that. And that
that's part of the talk.
That goes on. I mean, the talk is, like I said, it's a long and
complicated conversation between parents and children. And you
know, and I think,
looking at parents my age, I think,
I would say it was less of that it was more like your parents
worked hard to make sure you can have an education. Once you have
that, you're gonna be okay.
I'm generalizing. I'm generalizing. But I think that
may have been a little less of a work hard mentality. It's just
my general feeling.
Well, okay.
Yeah, I see what you're saying. But from our side is like you
had no, and this is, I know, I don't know how I feel about this
statement. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about this
statement. But it was said, it was like, you have to work twice
as hard. You have to work twice as hard. And I don't think that
I agree with that. No, I'm saying I'm telling you, that's
what we were told
to work twice as hard to have. And like I said, I don't know
how I feel about that statement. Because when you say it to your
kids, you're saying your half is good. Yeah, in a roundabout way.
But then it goes, it goes back to our previous conversation. Is
it better to know that there's this lingering system out there
that like, I think this is the approach with our data and know
how we interact with these big companies? Is it better to know
or is it better just to know learn the system and navigate? I
think more I think, I think knowing and learning the system
and navigating the system
is necessary for many children in many different situations.
But connecting it and saying, because of who you were born as,
therefore, you have to work twice as hard. I don't think
that's a positive association that does any good. But you
know, like, hey, you're poor, and this is gonna suck, and
here's what you're gonna have to do. And you're gonna have to
kick some ass to get there. We're not but not necessarily,
you know, just because, you know, I mean, I, I think
children are saying, but the problem is that
how can I say this? The problem is when
you don't want to tell your kids or you can go to school and be a
C student and be president.
And yet, Barack,
that's what's amazing that Well,
I was thinking Bush, another fine example. There's plenty of
dumb presidents. Right? I'm gonna, what I'm saying is that
even Barack Obama had to give the appearance that he was an
intellectual, right? He couldn't, he couldn't have
Bush's resume, and be president. So I'm just giving you an
example. And I'm not saying like I said, I'll just preface this
by saying, I don't know how I feel about that. And I don't say
that to my kids,
explicitly to say, hey, you gotta work twice as hard. But I
say to them, and I kind of got this room. And like I said, this
is where you learn from different cultures. You don't
want to be a student, you want to be the best student in the
class. And I learned that from my Indian friends. Because in
India, that's how it's ranking. It's no, it's no, great. Right?
Right. Right, right. So that's why they kick our butt when they
come over here, cuz they're fighting to be the best not just
everybody gets an A, or you know, everybody gets a B. It's
like, there's only one number one. So I get, like I said, I, I
don't know, I don't know how I feel about that. But it was it's
a real cinnamon said that, you know, we had to be twice as
good.
Or twice as hard. Yeah, I'm just trying to so many different
scenarios. But maybe it is unique. I don't know, it's hard
for me to say. But like I said, I feel your
best if you want to interact with the system. And that's why
I say now in the information age where
you can invest in a startup business and explore. You can
explore your mind your ideas, your dreams, right? Where you
used to be confined to what was your, your, you know, the bad
news about education is racist Mo. That's it, I figured it out.
Education is racist, man. Stay away from
the whole thing, not just math. Think math is the whole thing.
Especially PE all racist. But the notion that when black men
say work hard, and you want we want a stable family, and you
know, we use logic and reason, that's how we get the labeled as
the white people or black people.
Right. So it's really that notion. So it's really not just
destructive towards black people, this idea of
all these
everything the museum stands for, it's really also just
eliminating black men who by the way, are just not showing up
anymore in the logos and anywhere.
Only trading the other day, we were sending something back and
forth. That was the flows that from the un un United Nations
where they had
they had every variety
together black and white man, one woman loving herself for
self love, generational old man with a young guy in a ratio and
then the black woman, click the one that was clearly
illustration. So it's really the black woman was expressing self
love. And she was crazy.
But that's that's the goal. And and now you can say I'm
conspiratorial or paranoid. But from these actions, yes, they
want to get rid of us because if they get rid of us, then you get
rid of the race, period, a blank period. In this case, we're
actually talking about black black men like we've never even
met but I think you're pretty black.
So like, Cory?
Yeah,
but Cory Booker, black man, no, it's not color. That's why we
can't get it. But wait, but wait a minute, I'm trying to connect
the whole circle. If we want to have a mocha color throughout
the entire universe, which is clearly the idea.
Then will there be a bias more towards getting rid of black
black men versus brown black men? Because then it is about
color. Is that because that is kind of the identification that
they're doing.
That is getting rid of I must say this is getting rid of
Black men. And when I'm saying that men who identify as so
called a DOS or whatever, getting rid of men, men men are
under attack. Yes. Specifically, if it starts with a, who are the
first mean, they're gonna be put under attack well, and it's like
we can get them, then the whole rest of the world falls into
place. So it's when I say black men, I'm saying, people, men who
operate like men and work off logic and reason and hard work
and those things. If we can get the subset of black men that
identify with their maleness or their manliness, we can take
them out. I have the
right terms. No, no, no, hold on a second. This is good because
everything is the white man's fault right now. It's not the
same thing is what's happening to black men. The white man it's
all old white men all your fault. You're a holes you
misogynistic. You're mansplaining you no good. No
good. But we are always portrayed as wimps. Oh, honey,
I'm sorry. I got the wrong washing powder. Ooh, that's be
the doofus again. Right? The black man has a much stronger,
much more masculine image in society still. And I was I
brought that point up before that when you talk about
masculinity. If we're talking about societal masculinity,
white men are the pinnacle. And what I mean by that is
benefiting from the
inheritance and generational wealth and things of that
nature. But when we talk about physical Yeah, masculinity.
Black men are the the pinnacle. Right, but masculinity is no
longer. Yeah, masculinity is no longer the banker, the
successful businessman. That's in fact, the Trump type
businessman. That has to be erased. That's none of it that
white men don't exist like that. Where we're balding. We're fat,
we're hunched over. We're right. Yeah, we're any anything but
cool.
And that's why you started with a sports league. Right? You want
to bring in this?
Right, the pinnacle of white masculinity and intermingling
with the pinnacle of black masculinity. And it's a cultural
war because LeBron James, you would say he's the pinnacle of
masculinity period, because he's 692 170 pounds it can jump you
know, jump running you know and and intelligent all these
things. And then but he's owned by a mass they own the team is
owned by owned by owner is owned by China and really, but that's
right. Well, yeah.
But but the optics are owned by a white man. And he's too
masculine. He's clash. And and the powers that be are playing
them off each other. Yeah, hoping that they destroy each
other, and then we'll have somebody right. Well, we won't
get too far. I like it. No, no, I like it. I'd like it. Okay,
dude, I'm sorry. You keep moving mo um, I'm just diving in with
you. Yeah, so just an example of this. You her horse, Cooper
speak. And now Scotty smart is gonna come in. And we'll see
what Scotty does. I think that I actually loved the article, I
think a lot of people should actually go and read the
article. We can't keep pushing whiteness and white privilege
under the rug. Like it's not an issue. It's a deep rooted issue
that we have to address. And I think even to have two black
people, myself and Horace to be against one another, to have a
debate on this topic is a whole matter of whiteness in itself,
because he's gonna sit here and try to contradict what we're
talking about. So I don't want to talk over hearts. I don't
want to be disrespectful to horse. Well, horses, that token
black friend, only a few white people have as well. So we're
not here to debate or get not to have a dialogue. But we have to
have this conversation between it's an uncomfortable
conversation that most people aren't willing to have, and to
educate blacks and whites on our different perspectives,
different narratives that we have, that we grew up with and
so to have someone who is a representation of black people.
So I invited you on the show in good faith, you actually have a
conversation and and yet you come on the show, and you kind
of give it a little backhand to Horace and it's a dehumanizing
Well, it's dehumanizing to call someone a token, it's
dehumanizing. And that's that's the language that I whether
you're white, black, brown skinned, whatever you are,
that's a that's a dehumanizing word. He's a human being with
thoughts. Maybe he disagrees with you. That's okay. I don't
care that you disagree with him. But
he's me. No disrespect okay.
disrespect to Horace no dishes. No, not me. Not Are you taking
it the wrong way token.
Because Okay, now we got to get into some linguistics here
because remember, when we
had a conversation about thug, right?
And thug being synonymous with the N word used by a certain
crowd. Now token were used by one black person against another
black person. That is the same thing as saying Coons Hoon
level. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I mean. He says no, I don't
mean any disrespect token. But
here because the white man wants you to do his bidding for him.
But this is a projection. Because the other reason is
Scott is here for that very reason.
Exactly.
Always projection. But I will say this about horse, Porsche to
stop a Ingraham in her tracks and said, No, I don't need you
to speak for me. Because the way the optics the way it looked is,
he attacked a black man and his white woman.
Right? Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. I would admit that right in the
book, like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, let me handle Scotty.
Right. But he's on it here. He's only there to do the bidding of
the liberals. Which that's why I said we, we see the game now. We
see that we've been seeing it. We saw in the 2020 election.
That's the numbers we'll find out and I'm not gonna go there.
I want it to be able to go on YouTube. I'm sorry. I
don't talk about the numbers.
Now, but what I'm saying we see. We're just as distrusting or
more distrusting of the liberal narrative, that a conservative
narrative because the conservative narrative makes
sense. Or maybe it's like maybe maybe they should someone should
alert the liberal the liberals about this. The alienating
people.
They don't care. Because we're not human. We heard what she
said you're dehumanizing. You do not realize what happened in the
2020 election. Black men that speak for themselves were
dehumanized, eliminated, really, from the entire conversations
gone.
When you say, oh, why would you vote for a person like this? Or
that? It's like, you just are totally nullified. Like, shut
up. Yeah, go to your corner. I want to hear an explanation. So
it's like, okay, you're allowed to speak because the powers that
be like what you're saying, Scotty,
were a horse would be shouted down. Wish, what I'm saying what
I would say is, and this is where we go back to the list.
Let's bring it out the facts and weigh them out. And whoever has
the best set of facts wins. But that's not what they do. And
they make it about feeling they get rid of facts make it about
feelings. And then, you know, whoever has the best narrative
wins.
Yeah. So I mean, like I said, I found that very disgusting. Um,
for, for you to be sent on Fox News. Somebody, you know, put
him out there. And I know, he didn't have any leg to stand on
to, you know, make an argument for the thing they're trying to
get rid of. So he made it a
personal attack on horse, right? Was that what that was in your
word? It was chicken shit. I mean,
I mean, I know. So I mean, I didn't like that at all. But
that's that's the way they do. I mean, it's just they just
dehumanize you, and I think that's why we that's why we
humanize here. So um,
so now we need to get to
examining what illustrate it and what define black individualism.
And we're going to talk about one of Mr. Melville john
archivists. Have you ever heard of him before? No, I don't think
so. Let me give you a little background on him, and then we
can jump right into a clip 13. So he was an American
anthropologist who helped establish African and African
American studies have established, okay, I'm African
American Studies and American academia, he was known to know
for exploring the cultural continuity from African cultures
and spreads to African American communities. He worked for his
wife, I mean, work with his wife, Francis, Perkovic as an
anthropologist and in the field, in South America, caribbeans
Africa. So he basically is the father of African American
History. So he would Jewish me, he would be the guy that would
be would know something that while he's no longer around, I
presume, as you know. So he died in 63. Is he involved with this
museum somehow?
Well, a lot of his work. is you know, is the is the foundation
is back. Yeah. is the foundation of what they teach of the
African aspects of a DOS.
Guy the the expert. Well, this getting to 13 to find out
In the United States,
obviously, one only has to look at the great degree of crossing
tremendous variation in color that marks American. I hear the
voice of Melville j herskovits. And what I wonder is, why did
the white man come to know so much about black people?
Probably more than any other American melva. herskovits is
the person who demonstrates that African Americans are connected
to Africans.
He was a leading anthropologist of the 20th century. But he was
also a kind of social paradox.
Do you look at Herskowitz through one angle, he sets the
terms for our understanding of the relationship between Africa
and black people on the Americans. from another angle,
you might see him as someone who appropriates a certain kind of
knowledge from another angle. He's the son of Jewish
immigrants, and he's trying to sort out his own position in
America.
I always like to think of him as kind of the Elvis of African
American Studies. On the one hand, you might think of someone
like Elvis as someone who takes things that blacks have already
been doing, and he gets the credit for them. On the other
hand, you can say, Well, here's a guy who actually mainstreams
Rock and Roll
Yeah, it's a good question. That is very good question how this
and I don't mean to bring up his ethnicity but this Jewish man
jumps all the African American scholars to be the spokesperson
or as the the speaker put it, the Elvis Presley of black
history. Black Studies who either ripped it off or he
popularized it whichever way you want to go with it. That's a
toughy
Yeah, but if you pop realize it, then you define it at the same
time without a problem. Yep.
So he he's a very interesting character. But like I said, a
lot of he was
a lot of what he did was
the modern African American Studies is based off his his
work, right? It's all his own. 1920s 1930s is right when he was
writing all this stuff. Yeah. And even later, I think it north
Northwestern University, if I'm not mistaken, so we can go and
get into the second clip about him. Christmas mainstream some
of these ideas about the connections between African and
African American culture.
Early anthropologists were committed to demonstrating that
black people were inferior. Many people believed black culture
was a bad copy of white culture. Look, I you know, if black
people have been ignored, not listened to their part of the
story is not being told. For centuries, it's understandable
that black scholars can't, waiting in line behind some
white guy to tell the story that they want to tell. What is the
Negro in the sense that the term is used in the United States?
Does it mean to ask what is a negro?
What is a negro as a physical type?
What is a negro is an existential condition.
What does the Negro want?
How do we understand African American belonging over time?
Does the right to define and describe and observe people give
you power over those people? Does the right to really
characterize a people determine their fate?
Yeah, but it does. Absolutely. And the reason why I brought
this up, is that the same way he did it, then
the same way it's being done. Now, yeah, we can't define who
we are for ourselves, is always another person from outside the
group that's defining who we are, which that impacts the
individualism. And that's why you have somebody like, Scotty
attack Horace, because like you're not sticking to who we
supposed to be. Like, it's like, how about we be who we are, and
then the collective are defined by the individuals. But no, it's
a group thing. It's a it's a it's mind control is what it is.
I mean, yeah. in a weird way, quote, unquote.
Well, no, it is black blackness is is a, like a set form of set
rules that you have to conform to.
I guess the most one of his most polarizing books, was this the
myth of the Negro past? Yes. And we're talking about early 1900s
when he was doing his work. It's not like he was back in, you
know, 1619 right now, that's actually 1941. Yeah. So he
writes these books in the early to mid 1900s. Yeah. What were we
before them? I mean, you had like we didn't have a Frederick
Douglass in it.
Booker T Washington and these people defining who we are here
to come this guy come along. I know who the Negro is everybody
relax. Let me tell you who the Negro is. It's like what I see.
W Ed Dubois did a review of it. I'll have to read that. But
that's pretty Yeah. Hey, can you send me that link? Because I
would love to hear read that as well what he had to say, Yeah, I
just wanted to be funny. I just want to show like, you know, how
we are never allowed to define ourselves. And even with this
museum, everything was defined for us. It was like, Oh, no,
Clarence Thomas. No conservatives, and I'm not like
I said, I'm not a big clarence thomas fan. He had some problems
with some of the things he said, but making it to the Supreme
Court should get you an automatic spot.
Kind of get on that. Did you see the people who were on the Board
of Ed interesting. Right. So I mean, that that goes to show you
is that is not the all encompassing black.
It's that this is the narrative that we want to tell about black
people. Well, Quincy Jones is on the council. Well, Quincy,
Quincy Jones. Yeah.
I mean, Quincy is cool. You know, Quincy, bring sex appeal
to any board. Right. Let me see. Shonda Rhimes shaundalyn in the
house. Oh, look, at no wonder we got a great marriage.
And we brought in Colin Powell.
You know what? Color piles are very interesting.
I've met him I'm, I'm not a fan of General Power. I'm just
saying the way he he saw the way that these things was going. And
he did a real quick pivot on his politics. Oh, yeah.
Because he knew he had to stay around. And if he stay stuck to
his guns, he would not survive the canceled culture right. Now,
I totally agree. Totally.
All right. So this is a great group. I wonder if they get
together? They must have some I'm sure they
have a great, great drinking club. This looks fantastic.
And drinks on the menu.
First order of business. How about that building we put down
huh? How about that for some crazy Illuminati crap. And
where's those $65,000 hot dogs? Go on to number 15. Professor
herskovits was no ordinary professor.
This man was a force. And you did not take him on lightly.
Although I can't list all of the do's and don'ts that Professor
herskovits put out there. Certainly, among the don'ts was
the following.
Don't get involved in political stuff.
That was that was a difficult message for me to hear.
But even as a graduate student, I think I knew
almost anything, had its political side to it,
including by Professor herskovits was writing and
doing.
The myths were endless. You will hear jokingly, of course, every
day.
Professor herskovits gets up, looks into a mirror and says ah
Afrique. Same law.
That was our quick way of saying Professor herskovits seem to
think sometime videoed Africa.
It was his.
And even as a graduate student.
We wondered if sometimes his reign wasn't too tightly held.
Why weren't there more African and African American scholars at
Northwestern
he ran a tight ship.
It always amazes me that these non black people can come in,
take over and tell you how blackness is going to be ran.
And he's like, Don't question me. You heard her. She worked
with him closely. And I mean, she was fond of him. I mean, I
mean, it's not like she, you know, had bad things to say
about him. I think her feedback was honest that it becomes an
ownership like
I own the blacks.
I speak for the blacks.
wishes I didn't find it very disgusting. Yes. So how much how
much this modern stuff is based off of him? Is it? Is he really
the foundation? Like all of this is based off of his work? Yes.
The Odd African theory. I mean, we're not the set theory per se,
but the the origin of black people in America out of Africa,
and the narrative and what I'm saying, but he was defining this
the 1940s. Yeah. For 1619 1940. He comes along with all I could
tell you what exactly what happened in those 300 years.
Right incident. Alex Haley, again, is an inspiration for
roots from this. No, I was heavy guys inspiration for somewhere
else.
Every show, all different show.
But yeah, I mean, but that's that that was the beginning of
the narrative for the pan africanism. And those kind of
things, which I was saying, well, that's amazing now is
never heard this name before. Exactly.
herskovits. And it's with an S at the end, which is very
distinctive. It's not a z herskovits. Yes, never heard of
this guy. Interesting.
What he comes in, and he defines what blackness is in the mid in
the mid 1900s, which I just find fascinating. Peter has so many
great thought leaders
at the time, and he just comes along and do hijacks didn t know
the narrative, which of course, he had the money behind him. So
that's the other thing. And what you'll find out now is what
you'll start to find out is that the academics go with where the
funding goes, Oh, and we've seen this with preaching the choir
here with global warming and those things, but it's no
different. It's like my job is to, to be a scholar, the money's
coming in. So I have to make a narrative this and that's what
they're saying about him being Elvis. It's like, do you let
Elvis come in and make rock or roll take it through the roof?
And all of our sales go up, you know, for the genre, but at the
same time, now rock and roll is not even identified as a black
music form. Yeah, because you let somebody else.
And that may be the choice that ultimately is is the downside of
capitalism, I guess.
True. That that may be one of those things that is like, wow,
you gotta have a strong, strong, strong hands.
To say no, no, we should do this differently. So since we're
defining what black is, we have to go back to show nine and
this. We played this several times on here, but it's always
good to see how the one drop rule define blackness in
America.
Explain what the one drop rule is. The one drop rule,
historically, also known as a rule of hypo descent was really
instituted to protect whiteness, it was a way for the white
majority to be able to name and incite who was white. So it was
one drop, which is 130, second 130, second of Negro or African
blood would make that person Negro or African. Whatever the
classification they used at the time I hear people say we're
going to post racial society, the reality is, in order to get
beyond something, you have to understand it right. And where
in your education, where have you been required to learn about
race? They don't teach it. No, it is the foundation of this
country. We have to talk about race, we have to talk about
racial difference. It is just a flat out lie for us to believe
that we've moved beyond race.
And that's the thing that when we say black, that's defined by
a legal designation, yeah, it's not skin color. I mean, I know I
beat this missing this dead horse, but we have to say that
because, um, people, people easily slip back into the color
thing. And it's not about color, it's about what you identify
legally.
So
there, they're doing, I'm gonna say this black Americans, a das
foundation of black native blacks. We're going through a
divinity, self identification phase.
Because we're saying, okay, we're not Africans per se.
And, you know, we have our own lineage, we have our own story,
we have our own origin. So who are we? And that's upsetting. So
a lot of people because if you start saying that 13% splinters
to eight five split 10 three split. That changes politics
that changes the way proceed.
power structure. Yes. Excellent term, it changes everything. So
people like no, no, no, no crawling back in, you got to
correct.
Is this? Are you in fact, a part of a
black
renaissance man
as black, I think, possibly social media more access to
publishing your thoughts in different media, so not just
Twitter. But there's also there's music? I know, clubhouse
is the it's probably one of the blackest apps out there? Or was
was I think that's gonna end you watch.
I know how that goes. Yeah, you're not gonna see and, you
know, and and you it's like, there's a, an awakening and
awareness and a positioning of the black American male.
That
is probably happening on one hand, because you're being
suppressed and you're being suppressed because it's
happening. And your message is not necessarily.
Let's go to the club popping bottles and, and let's, you
know, drive around and and show our bling. Now it's something
completely different. And it was a place
that was the loud minority, right? The very small minority.
And what people like me are saying is, we want to be self
defined. We don't want to be defined by the boulais. We don't
want to be defined by the African American Museum, we
don't want to be defined by a white academia. We want to
define who we are. Okay, now, let's figure out what that is.
And that's, that's the journey we're on. And we've been here
before, like, it's a synchronicity to it because in
the 1920s, we're kind of in the same spot. of in Harlem on every
street corner, you have somebody with a different
uh, what blackness was a different definition of
blackness. And it was like, okay, it was a market for ideas.
And that's kind of what the internet that was wired, like,
realism in the 20s. You mean, yet, same thing. Now
entrepreneurial ism, because it was it opened up, it was like,
Okay, now we can do business. Um, so now you have independent
thinkers, we're now used to get like a soap box and go in a
corner, and you are in this corner. And you know, the guys
on the other corner. Now we're on YouTube channels. And now
we're on a social media post. And we're saying, and we're
finding people that have similar thoughts to ourselves, or who
has good facts or who has good data. It's not about narrative
anymore. And that's why they want to double down on
narrative. Because if you don't have the facts, you got to
double down on there. So it is partially a great self
identification process, simultaneous, building your own
narrative and positioning as where black American men want to
be.
Yes, because when you define whiteness, you say whiteness is
the problem. That's juxtaposed to blackness. Not Brown. Not
color is blackness, you know, um, so that's, that they're
like, wow, like, it's a lot of information leaking out, and
people thinking and talking, and what do we do? You know, it's,
it's a lot of, you know, it's a lot of uncertainty. And it's,
so they have their key. That's why you see, these need, and
shows all we need to make more black movies. I mean, they make
more, you know, for example, Black Panther, which I was in, I
was in Central Market. And it was in the central market was it
was we had a crisis here. So everything's, you know, all the
shelves are empty, but are not all of them, but some of the key
ones. And so I'm looking all around the store, all of a
sudden, this is like whole, separate, Stan has got wine on
it. It's got preservatives on it, like what is this? And they
had a whole separate section in the store mode for black owned
businesses.
I'm like, What the hell? What the hell is this?
I'll be shopping for wine and jam at the same time. And what
are you trying to tell me here? It was very bizarre.
That it's there. Come on back home. Come on back. We'll give
you a shelf. Just don't get your own store.
You see, you understand what's going on is let's make it so
comfortable. That you don't want to leave. Yeah, you've
completely opened my eyes. I mean, I see these things
everywhere now. Like, and I'm so happy to hear you say we're so
sick of the virtue signaling, because that's what I see. Oh my
god, like stop.
Do is pander to a person. Of course, when you pander to a
person, what you're saying is you're a petty,
literal literal. That's literally the definition, their
definition of white supremacy. You're inferior. So we have to
cater to, you know, to bring you up to our level. Aren't we so
kind.
So I want to talk quickly about Black Panther because that was
one of the last gaffes to bring black people back into the fold
of Africa. They're bringing that back, but yeah, well, the
original when I saw them, once again, nothing is nothing is no
pun intended. Nothing is black or white. Cuz like cool Black
Panther. Okay, my son can watch no movie and no see got like
heroes and no of different varieties and just cool. But
when you break that, and I'm gonna do a whole show on this
eventually, one day, but just a quick synopsis of Black Panther,
what happens is, you have an African Prince come to America
to try to help black people. And they come here and I guess they
kill him. And they leave your son killmonger, behind, which is
half African American or a DOS, half wakandan. And when he goes
back and fights the real black, the standard existing Black
Panther, he beats on fair square.
And then the wakandans team up with the CIA to take him out of
power. Crazy. Holy shit.
Excuse me for cursing. I mean, what is like what? Yeah.
Put all that back again. And the guy has actual rights to the
throne. Yeah. Through his father. Yeah. He goes back and
wins it fair and square. And then they work with the CIA to
take him out of power because he said, Let's take our resources
and give it to black people across the world. And they're
No, no, no, no, you can't do that.
You can't be doing that. So that's what Disney is putting
out. Now you see?
Me? Oh, my conflict here is like, Yeah, but that review that
you just gave there in? In five sentences? No One No One heard
that review anywhere? Of course not because it was dashi keys
and dancing.
Dancing double D's not lit. No, literally, literally, and you
will see it again. I'm calling it again. You're gonna see that.
But guess what, what happened? The Black Panther black male has
been taken out. And guess who's gonna be the new black panther?
His sister? Yep. Woman.
Which I ain't ruling out sacrifice on him. But
it is kind of convenient, isn't it?
Very convenient. But reason why the reason why I bring it.
I'm gonna give you just a little bit of theramin for that. That
was I like that. I always thought, Man, what a shame this
young guy, you know, but now you bring in that that's going on?
Because it would be a never ending argument. You know, you
can't just you couldn't just replace him? No, because you
lose half your market. Yeah. But this is very convenient.
The reason why I bring up the Black Panther is because somehow
Wakanda has become the black utopia. And this speaks to how
silly things are. We're talking about fake country in a fake
movie. Yeah, we didn't do this with was the moon day we're
coming to America. We say oh, we were gonna create onto the moon
Did you know I mean, but now? Well, I do remember a lot of
jokes going and we were joking around a lot back in the day
when that came, you know, people actually think they're going to
create their own Wakanda. And it's like, unless you have a
natural resource like that.
Okay, you don't believe me? I'm gonna need a trigger warning
before I play this next clip, because it's from a guy named
salty cracker. So that explains that explain.
No, no, not the salty cracker. Yeah, the salty cracker. So
I want to cover this story.
All right, can we go straight into it educator fired a Bronx
school Super Nintendo says that she was fired as a result of
Chancellor Richard karatzas equity agenda my friends that
advanced people of color over whites. Karen Ames is suing the
New York schools for $150 billion
Zimbabwean dollars right $150 million, because she says that
she was targeted by Quran says quote disrupt and dismantle
campaign to oust or
marginalize longtime employees. She's in one of these things.
Ames was grilled about her quote, ethnic background
chastised by a colleague at a training session when she shared
her grandparents experience during the Holocaust in Poland,
and that she was admonished when she declined a request at Super
Nintendos meetings to take part in comic book movie inspired
look onto forever slowed to Black Power she charges illegal
filing games was praised by carozza in a visit to her Bronx
school he praised her for raising math scores at a
troubled school but see they don't care about that.
Racist man.
She was fired. And this is New York Post New York Post you
could probably look it up Bronx educator claims she was fired at
the sharing Holocaust story, refusing to recount Wakanda
salute. She went into the wickedness loop, which was to be
honest with you, the Wakanda Salut is actually the expo
Osiris in Egypt. You know, when they used to bury him? Yeah,
they bury him like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. This district
of Cairo. You're saying Yeah. Oh, man.
is right there. And the thing is, this lady looks like Kamala
Harris. When you look at her picture, I mean, like me, she
favors Kamala Harris. I'm looking right now. Man, man,
man, man. What what? This will come to thing man that's a mind
control right there. It is. Cuz I see it popping up everywhere.
jokingly you know, like, Hey, brother, what's going on with
that? No joke. No, this is not a joke. It's not but I see him
jokingly I see it I see it. And I'm like, Yeah, whatever. But
now you bring it up. It's like Wow, she does look like Kamala
Harris. A bit a little rougher which is a racially ambiguous I
mean, you saw
I mean, like it could be I mean, like you had to do to double
check. I did have to look twice Yeah.
Wow.
Man this is why I brought that up while blog brought up Black
Panther because Wow, people are getting fired over not doing the
Wakanda salute. Are you kidding me?
So that is
well
can I get a capsule culture capsule cannon for Mr. Van
Jones, please cuz he's up. He's next.
Van. Oh van he was on.
He was on the view. He was brought to task to working with
the enemy. Oh, man, you do spend a lot of time you know,
threading the middle and trying to unite people. But there are
those who really accuse you of being a political opportunists,
a chameleon, so to speak, who provided a racial cover four
former disgrace twice impeached President Trump. You said this,
and I quote, Donald Trump and I get beat up by liberals every
time I say this, but I'm gonna keep saying it. He has done good
stuff for the black community. opportunity's own stuff, black
college stuff. There's a side to Donald Trump that I think he
does not get enough credit. yet. Just recently, you tried on CNN
when Joe Biden was elected the 46th President, and you said
it's easier to be a parent now. Character matters. Now truth
matters. You even mentioned George Floyd and said a lot of
people felt they couldn't breathe. People in the black
community don't trust you anymore. What is your response?
What Wait a minute.
Who is asking the question? That's that Sonny?
Oh, she speaks on behalf of the black community and she can she
can say that. She's late to the party because we didn't trust me
for a long time.
Television
Yeah.
Oh, wow. Cooler man. I'm so
real real quick, man. If you want to know van van, he's done.
And it's bigger reasons. I'm gonna get into that later. But
van Charles explains explain in 19. But it doesn't work out. You
know, Black Lives Matter. Math matters to 80% of black folks
that are run in part or home by Republicans, red states and
purple states. So when you can pass a law as my team has done
in a Louisiana, in a Georgia in a
California, Michigan, red states, blue states and purple
states to get people home. The people behind bars are not
sitting up. You're worried to get me out of prison, Dan, but
whatever you do, don't talk to a Republican. They say get me out
of prison. And I am proud of the fact that my team at the reform
Alliance dreams
Core and cut 50 have been able to work with anybody to get off
home. And a certain point, we got to stop focusing on rhetoric
and look at result. People that may not like everything I have
said on television, I tried to be balanced. But look at what
I've done, who among my critics have been able to get people
together to help us at the bottom? When we fight like this
about everything, and you can't get anybody even a little bit of
credit for anything? Who hurts? It's not the politicians. It's
not the pundits is regular folks who don't have anything, people
who can't vote because they're in jail. We have to put their
interests first. I'm never going to apologize for putting the
interest of people at the bottom first, people need champions,
whoever is in that white house. I got a responsibility to go in
there and advocate and try to get people home out of prison.
I'm gonna keep doing it. Whoever's in that white house.
No vans not gonna work. First of all,
first of all, newsflash fan. Math is racist. Yeah, so you
might want to leave that out if you're
defending yourself. And, um, but it ain't gonna work. Because now
you're like I said, even a Van Jones, you go on TV, you cry.
You know, you, you know, you can't have any leanings towards
working with the other side at all, or is cancellation but
there's a ulterior motive to cancel the van. And we're gonna
get to that. Did you want to make a comment before we get
into the next? I was gonna say that I've always appreciated Van
Jones. No matter what he did. I'd like to I'd like to crying.
I think that's great. It makes for great clips.
It I think it's hard to in the right place. It's just he's got
an he actually becomes the canary in the coal mine. You
know, it's like, you can't have it both ways. In today's
culture. It just doesn't work that way. Yeah. So and if that's
the thing, that's the thing that you were saying about, um, I
used to have a problem with van but when I heard the interview,
we talked we heard him talking about he's a natural crier. He's
been a crier, since a kid. I used to think that was a ploy.
But when you come to find out, like I said, humanizing. When
they saw him as a human and say, Okay, well, your natural crier,
knock yourself out. I mean, that's what you do. And this
time because like, Man, this stuff, he says, Here I like, you
know, it's like, most of what he's saying is good, but that's
not good. Not gonna help. Well, the thing is, he thought he
could, and this is what a lot of people are gonna realize. There
is no middle ground. castrato streamis, can't straddle. These
are extremist. Get that through your thick hair, there is not
there's gonna be total 100% compliance, or you're gonna be
canceled.
Yeah. And not only do they Sunny, she know she's part of
the boulais
aka haze. And you know, the things that nature as we heard
when she was bringing up her sister, Kamala Harris, um, but
they say, okay, Sonny had a piece now let me get a piece.
Then, look, you know, I lost a lot of Republican followers and
people who trusted me in the republican party because of the
positions I took against Trump. And Sonny is right. You've lost
a lot of people who trusted you, and who saw you as a voice
because of the positions you took during Trump. And in 2016.
You and I were probably the two most vocal critics of Trump
during the campaign on CNN, to the point where it was reported
that Jared Kushner went in and met with executives at our
parent company and asked that you and I be fired. And then,
you know, all of a sudden you you show up working with
nepotism, Barbie and nepotism can work and showing up, you
know, in pictures with Eric Trump and with Candace Owens.
And so I think there's people who wonder and I'm one of them.
How did that evolution happen? How did you go from being this
very principled critic of the Trump administration? That was
to all of a sudden being in the White House, celebrating the
wisdom and being you know, taking posing for pictures with
Candace Owens? I mean, can you explain the evolution to people
who are puzzled by it, but you did things like take smiling
pictures with Candace Owens, who I think is very hurtful. Okay.
Do you not regret that?
legitimacy? You don't regret taking pictures of admiring
Pinterest with Candace Owens?
Yeah, I have heard this. There is you know, you say to a
to a white girl, Candace Owens. It's like, I mean, crazy
millennial, obviously. Right, right. There's like, what is
that? What? What is the meme about her that everyone has to
hate or what what is what is she was surprised. I mean, of
course, we know.
Well, what are they
Excuse Van Jones. We know he's a turncoat. He's a traitor,
because he took pictures with with a cannon Barbie. What did
Candace Owens do? Because she you want to be completely honest
with you? Yeah.
Okay, because this is, this is not what I think. But this is
the the you ask the question, though, how she's portrayed?
Yeah, she portrayed as the white man's bad winch.
Right. Okay. And that, but that's to do whatever the white
conservative white men tell her to do. She'll do it. Why didn't
she kind of come out? ism goes out the water
goes out the window. goes out the window. Yes, she she kind of
got thrust onto the scene for a racism incident at a school,
which she really didn't even want any she didn't publicize
it. That happened outside of her. And then she kind of went
okay. And then she saw what kind of misunderstanding there was
and she became an activist to help people understand, you
know, there was no white, white push at all. In fact, quite the
opposite. I think she she came from very pure, pure motives. Is
that your understanding of the truth as well? Well, I saw the
meteoric rise of Candace Owens, because I remember when she was
just popped up my YouTube feed, but what she does is that black
woman's that's what Trump or black woman supports
conservative kind of, right. She was very, it was very, like I
said, very organic. It wasn't like she came out with a
polished. It was just kind of like YouTube videos from home.
Right? And she would kind of like it was kind of like that
walk away kind of vibe while I'm walking away from the Democratic
Party. And people thought I mean, that people saw her as a
as a as a asset and like, okay, yeah, I mean, like, she's
attractive. well spoken. I mean, she's a she's a beast on the,
you know, the debate, bet debate, excuse me, you better
come correct. Because like, I mean, she's very come to land on
facts, she will make you look stupid if you don't come
prepared. But the problem is, and I've said this before about
candidates, and this is my timing with her. Like, you don't
have to talk about George Floyd and whatever he was doing the
day after it happened. Now you can have the, you know, the
whatever discussions and discussions probably need to be
had, but it's about timing, right. But I would say this is
just a young person who's an activist and who has to learn
about those kinds of things. You learn about timing from getting
it wrong. Yeah, but what I'm saying is that the position she,
she's in she has very little room for margin for error.
Because
myself, I mean, even myself, because I don't give a rat's ass
what people think about me. I mean, so, but her being on the
public stage like that, I know, it hurts her, it hurts her
feelings. I know it has to but what she does is she takes that
energy and life force multiplies it back at them. Um, which I
think may be very healthy in the long term.
You can't I mean, you just can't keep ratcheting it up. But um,
yeah, I think um, but they they they did this thing with Candace
Owens.
But it's not about Candice Owens. No, you want to hear my
theory? Sure. I might need a little theorem for this because
this is this is a this is a theory. This is this.
Under Attack,
partnership.
He's dating or possibly dating. Oh, yeah. I do know this. Wasn't
he dating?
Some famous actress. Kim Kardashian. Okay. Some famous
not actress. Really now. Ah. Hearn, here's the story. here's
the here's the scoop.
Oh, Kanye Kimmel breaking up, as you seen in the news. Yeah. And
supposedly, when she was there visiting with, uh, with that
Jared and
Ivanka.
Parent van, we're getting close. Hmm. So I think this is a
preemptive strike on Kim Kardashian. Because if you put
Van Jones political mind and political connections behind
that Kim Kardashian,
California, very dangerous. Oh, interesting.
Yeah, okay. And that's
why they take advantage. I mean, like that happened so many years
ago. I mean, it was so long ago. They didn't even given this kind
of energy when the election was going on. Why are they coming
out now but soon as the stories start coming out about him and
Kim Kardashian, um, all of a sudden
A viewer wants to attack him. Okay.
And if cam can walk that line of, well, we want to help.
Yeah, Cam is a force to be reckoned with.
Whoa, what a power couple. I'm looking at it. That is a super
duper power cup. Whoo. So if that's the case, interest? Yeah.
I think I thought yeah, Dan's not married. Well, he's
conveniently getting a divorce.
Every
recently.
Well now, and I can easily see Kim winning governor of
California.
Oh, man.
You know, cuz Guess what? No,
no, I totally agree. I'm just laughing like, holy crap. But it
was fantastic. If you go back and look at all the videos,
guess who was giving her credibility to her law degree,
Van Jones. He had nothing but kind words to say. And Van Jones
is backed by Jay Z. Yeah.
So I'm just gonna say that. Well, you know what? That would
be. At least we'd have something new on the political stage. I
know. That'd be great. I don't really care. If you're
Republican, Democrat. Let's just get some young people in there.
Hey, Hello, 40s. Hello, 30s crit. Let's go crazy. Let's get
some younger thinking in there. And I think that's one good
thing about what Donald Trump did that nothing you can do in
your past is probably
right, that means
you can do it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So now you're gonna open
it up to a lot of different schools of thought to be in
politics, because politics used to be a purity game. Yes. Now
with you know, if you can command the headlines, and you
know, and get the people out in mobile and mobile, right, so, so
that wasn't, you know, that was my first take on one. Linear
thinking and individualism. Um, I think that um, yeah, I mean
that I think it's a clear it's clear attack. You saw they did
the van. You saw I did the horse.
Yes. There's no room for there's no room you saw they did to the
teacher? And, excuse me, the superintendent. Yeah. And in the
Bronx, we're not doing the Wakanda.
Man.
This is sounding a lot like, you know, other revolutions that
we've seen in the past, where there's purity test. Yeah. Um,
but that's what we do here on the most backs with the Adam
Curry show. And, hey, yeah, you want to tell people what we're
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But speaking of Kanye
as it so happens, yeah, um,
he's from the future. He called this.
And we can just get right into 22. And it's a throwback clip
from show 13. If you talk about politics, then you are not a
service to Christ, but to mute.
And African Americans voice at this level is a form of slavery.
And being a slave to the system, and to people's perceptions. And
the reality of what people have chosen for our culture, since we
are orphans is not in service to God. And in the Bible, there's
many topics of slavery, and we are African Americans. And we
are still dealing with modern day slavery. We still have
record contracts, publishing deals, touring deals, management
deals, radio deals,
that we not the owners.
Until we really own our own community really make Wakanda
for real, it's gonna take more than the Jesus shape. We got to
make what kind of product with us too, though, you know what
I'm saying, Man I've been waiting for.
You see how pervasive this will compensate this is Yeah.
But he as he says that if you don't control and this is what
the hurt arm. Think is Hershkowitz thing. Yes, her
skin, her skin hurt. herskovits excuse me, um, if you don't
define or if you're not defining the culture or the people who
work for you. Yep. Yeah. And that's what he's experiencing
and
he was kind of speaking to vanch I was in a roundabout
Wait, you're gonna be you're gonna be you're gonna be
cancelled if you don't submit and in the next clip, he makes a
prophetic statement. I want to say one thing about calling in
for move on. I want to be praying for that brother because
I know this whole Kim Kardashian paid and they're gonna try to
crack him with this. They are sitting around licking their
chops right now when I mean they the entertainment media. Yeah,
they're already they're gonna drag him. No, this This is
nothing. I'm talking about two levels. Path Bill Cosby. I mean,
you they're gonna mean because they had to take him down. They
have they have to take either free man thinking free man
talking. And that is totally off code. Yeah, so the prayers for
Begley because that's going to be very, very hard for him. Yes,
so I just want to say that but luckily he
he's he's seems to be strong in his faith now. So hopefully that
person that that helps him get through this time. But in this
next clip, he speaks about one of the things on the list, and
that's the cancelling of Christianity and Christ. Are you
afraid of losing your audience? Yay. I told you I'm only afraid
of God. I'm only afraid of my daddy God. And I'm been 15 years
I'm telling you, God is showing that you can have your own
thoughts bro. I've been cast before that was canceled
culture. Who told you that my career would be over the same
people that are telling you that you can't have a right to say
who you will vote for those people will be soon to take
Jesus out to school. Those people will be soon to remove
Jesus period from America, which is the Bible Belt. Those people
will be so mad Come on, man. I'm finna go Alex Jones. man Come on
man.
Like wake up wake up Mr. West wake up culture. Wake up. I
think they so woke but they following the rules of what woke
supposed to be hip hop a never been about following rules. It's
been about doing what you feel. I'm gonna take the Louis I'm
gonna do with the Polo I'ma do it like this. Even like the way
I put on, let me use my African American voice. Let me use my
Disney approved voice. Let me hear I'm saying we're not even
speaking in our own language, bro. Like, we talk louder than
this African stuck on Italian moms talk loud. We talk louder,
but we speak in our corporate voice or we don't want to ruin
the deal voice or this one.
I love y'all, man. And I love me. And I love Christ.
And you also love to see this. I'm not gonna tell y'all what
y'all should do. I'm just doing what I do. If you love it, then
cool. If y'all want to meet in a go make a difference. Honestly,
I haven't been killed so many times on social media. And I'm
still here, I'll still look at me.
I love that clubs. One of my favorites. I say y'all are being
woke.
But by the rules are being woke. And that's what this document
that came out from the Museum of American History. That is the
rules for being woke. Gotta get rid of this scientific method,
rational thinking individualism, hard work, and forth on that
list is Christianity and Christ. Yeah. So this is not about I
mean, this is not about religion. This is about taking
one of the foundations of America and foundations of
this is about taking away one of the bedrocks of a large portion
of America, canceling it this very disruptive. And on cue,
Shaun King comes in. Oh Jesus, no, Jesus Christ. Watch out
because Shaun King is coming this week. Trans racial civil
rights activist Shaun King are some of you know Kalka, Max
tried to cancel the
evil racist of them all. Jesus. Yeah, shamrock. Obama tried to
take down the King of kings, the white one specifically
Unfortunately for him. He's 2000 years later, what's commonly
referred to as CPT. Al Sharpton tweeted the statues of the white
European Jesus should come down. They're a form of white
supremacy and always have been, first of all, for someone who
crucifies white people for a living. I assume he appreciate
the imagery. Secondly, he kind of has appoint certain groups of
youth Christianity to oppress people, slave traders that kkk
jewelers, but White is always a form of white supremacy Martin
Luther cream, what the fuck are you talking about? Sean says in
the Bible when Jesus wants to hide he went to Egypt, not
Denmark. That is true probably because Denmark didn't exist.
But I think
Revelation there good marshmallow was trying to make
is that Jesus wasn't white. Hey, Shawn, no shit.
So
let me just say this
if whiteness was a commodity or stock I'll be going short on
white right now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Put a bit of put put up
short on wise is very short on white a lot a lot go long gone
brown Yeah, because I mean that's that's that's the up
income if you compare like cashed to like a crypto right
Brown is the crypto right? So it's gaining is gaining is
gaining a lot of value right now. And I'm not talking about
per se color. I'm talking about these groups that are being
defined by the East Coast like color revolution kind of thing,
not literal color. But the only problem is black value is rarely
tied to white value, right? Because we helped build this
country that these people are trying to tear it out. And it's
like what, wait, hold on. You want to do what to America?
Yeah. It puts us in a weird spot. Cuz it's like, Yeah, we
got some beef with a we understand, you know, I mean,
they still owe us our atonement, but you want to burn it down.
Yeah. And so now you have a fork and blackness. You have half the
black to want to go with but I was gonna I was gonna ask you
what do you think that percentage is? Mo? I mean,
that's, I mean, how big is taking the voting numbers? Let's
just take the voting numbers. Thanks, Tony. wailing you found
the numbers. No, no, no, I'm saying the numbers that they
said. If they said twice the turnout for Trump, then last
year, so we can leave kill off bad. Right. Okay. All right. Why
don't we have a baseline from 2016? Yeah, yeah. So they keep
saying this twice. Number. So if you say they say at 20.
But AB is mean to 20? You have some big banking that 20? Yeah,
you have some big names in that. 20. And then we really don't
know if it's at 20 or not, because the silent majority is
on the sidelines be much bigger. Yeah. Right. So all I'm just
saying is that if you you're asking me to?
If Okay, do you say they're trying to cut a deal with me?
And they say, Oh, come on, come on. Come on browser, nothing.
Come on. I mean,
why would sell 20th century? Come on, come on into the 21st
century. And it's like, Yeah, but what about this bill that we
have?
met Bill, man, did you read that HR? 40
bullcrap.
I mean, it really is. It really is. It's so open to interpret to
end. And it seems like they want to spend a lot this is what I
was worried about. I'm glad we're talking about for a second
is this whole section in there, which we've seen this hr 40 come
by before, but this is a little new, when it wants to do a study
of the actual enslavement.
And I think you'll find that it wasn't a lot of American sailing
ships
that were doing the the transport and those boats
to get me castle.
Castle, castle castle, but you know what, I'm gonna do it.
Nothing to show all
right here, this might get a I mean, like, yeah, I'm just what
I'm reading. I'm just telling you what I'm reading. I'm
picking up what you're putting down. Okay, on the boats. Right?
If the boats even existed, I mean, we don't go there. Let's
just even do that one. Yeah, I love man. We got to do a whole
episode on that. If the boats existed love it. Yes. So um, but
yeah, it's that they're coming to me and say, Oh, come on.
Invest in brown. Yeah, no, no, no, you know, I say go short on
white.
Invest in brown. It's the new thing. But
I'm old in white coin. Right. So you know,
you don't want the white coin to go away? No, because Are you
going to inherit their debt?
Right. I'm not talking about me specifically, but I'm saying me
as a black person. Like, this is the thing we put it out on the
table. This is the thing with Marxism. It's why they keep
coming with Marxism. Communism. You know? Why? You know, never.
Capitalism never worked out for you black people, you know, I
mean, so it's like, okay, but what's my standing in this new
society? You're trying to form? Yeah.
We're all be equal. Yeah, all of us have nothing.
Yeah, we kind of like the idea of the promise better.
Yeah, the thing is I can
Yeah.
I just this is a very hard sale. Yeah. Cuz I it's clear cut my
case.
If you want to hear the case go back to 50 my case against you
know, the institution
or the country of America is quite clear.
With this, it's like a just take a leap of faith and we'll get
you good on the back end. Yeah. For we've heard that one before.
Yeah. And then the way they rule I can't I can't rock with that.
But yeah, but crisis aren't crisis on the hit list. Clearly.
Um, so if, why Jesus is gonna be taken out.
Is it possible you could talk about a black Jesus, similar
Jesus?
And goodbye.
I had him in the closet. We weren't performing no miracles
for nobody.
Jesus came alongside, forget it. The only Jesus I know is him.
And the one thing you don't need is a partner.
This picture has been in my family for as long as I can
remember. When I was a baby, I don't know what I saw first. My
mama my papa or this Jesus. He is the one I know and love. So
let's close the subject.
Jesus was black the Bible with a sense Oh, so what are you
talking about?
I read about it. In Revelation chapter one. Verse 14 says
his hair is like wool.
We know Jesus wasn't black. He could have been from the lost
tribe of Israel. They were supposed to be black.
People would know
why Wow. Don't 70 don't hear that anymore. Do ya? 1970s Wow,
I'm just gonna ask this question.
Chinese got Chinese Jesus. Everybody got their own when he
ever you make Jesus a black person
is so upsetting to certain certain certain group of people.
I don't understand that. And what you do is you opened up a
door for Sean Kane to make an argument they say get rid of
Jesus. What No, we Yeah, because like you heard Florida. Let me
give a little background that was from the good Tom show. I
didn't set it up too well, but that was from the good Tom show.
And JJ had painted an image of a black Jesus. And Michael being
reminded me of me, Miami of a young man who
went and hung it up to the white Jesus down, right. And his mom
said, You heard what Florida Evans said. I don't know who I
saw first white Jesus. Yeah.
Right. Right. So what I'm saying is this that opens the case UP
TO SAY THEY uses white really white man religion to slave you.
You're saying
yeah, it's time to rebrand it's time
to repackage but um, but why is it so infuriating? I don't
understand. Like I say when you go to China, you have Chinese
Jesus you go to any other culture you have matching of
that culture. But if for one reason or another like I said
1970s and late I'm surprised leader let them on television. I
mean, I gotta give him props for that, you know? Um, that had to
be very brave. A lot more back then you can't do anything
anymore. Why is that why are we going backwards? If we're more
free than we would have been going backwards because the
advertisers have more power and advertisers want zeros zeros
zero controversy. No bad feelings. everybody happy?
Yeah, that means that the basis of it but then he saw I'm just
saying so.
It just it just perplexes me anytime. We're in a spiral I
mean, now that we have social media, and the the tools have
been developed and sharpened to people know how to do it. You
just go after the advertiser and say, Hey, advertiser, I can't
believe you're advertising on this show. Oh, we're gonna
cancel you Oh, we're gonna make a problem for you. And then that
immediately is taken
taken care of by canceling the media by whatever has to happen
making a stand making an apology. It's pressure, it's
bullying, it's really bullying. And let me say one thing, when I
say when I say the American Museum when they say talk about
getting rid of Christianity, they're not talking about
Catholicism.
No, they're not. That's not what they're talking about. Cuz the
pope is bought in. He's read into the plan. Here, they're
talking about the Bible. And it's a large enough segment, I'm
not gonna say law, but large enough. Oh, black people
that feel that we have some time to that book.
That when you come for that, I think that's gonna be that's
gonna be overreach.
Because, as you heard in the 1970s, people saw my black Jesus
and the last child, Israel. And then we have Malcolm X, speaking
on a Moses, Jesus in jail.
Why you haven't got a man of God in the Bible? That wasn't what
the jail when they started speaking up against
exploitation.
They charged Jesus with sedition.
Didn't they do that?
They said he was the king.
They said he was discriminating because he told us to the
disciples, so not the way of the Gentiles, but rather go to the
lost sheep. He discriminate, don't go near the Gentiles, go
to the lush sheep, go to your friends, go to the downtrodden,
go through the exploited, go to the people who don't know who
they are, who are lost from the knowledge of themselves, and who
are strangers in the land that is not there. Go to those people
go to the free, go to the second class citizens go to the ones
who are suffering the brunt of Caesars brutality. And if Jesus
were here in America today, he wouldn't be going to the white
man. The white man is the oppressor. He would be going to
the oppressed. He would be going to the humble. He would be going
to the lowly, he would be going to the rejected in the despise,
he would be going to the so called American Negro.
Yo, what year that was a 6663. I believe 64 if I'm not mistaken,
one of them right in between those two gentlemen, just a
couple years away from from the good times episode. Yeah, I will
say this, this momentum was building of
once again, who are we? Who are we wait a minute, but I actually
read the Bible, it says something different than when I
when I see these pictures, which all cultures do that all
cultures make gods, even in Greece, they redid the Egyptian
Pantheon, you know?
It is what it is. And that's why Egypt is their holy grail. And
we talked about in the last show. Yeah. On that on the left
hand path. So, um, my favorite racist, Donald Sterling, because
briefly, I say that is Donald Sterling. And all that he did he
draw so many truth bombs, and I think that's why they got him
canceled canceled. I mean, they're like you take your $2
billion for your team, right? We will pay you twice what the
value is, and you're out here talking Yeah, because I have a
video have the audio tape of him talking to V us. Step by step
established. Lonnie step by oni I think it's how you pronounce
it. This is this this hit the audio that got him in so much
trouble. Oh, this is what yeah, this really got him in trouble,
but you didn't hear about it. Um, this is a Donald Sterling
talking about the black Jews. It makes you happy. I will remove
all of the black people for money.
I understand. I did remove the people that were independently
on my Instagram that are black.
Why did you say that? You didn't you just said you didn't remove
them.
Matt camp in Magic Johnson.
His mix? And he was okay. Just like me.
He's lighter whiter than me.
I met his mother.
I'm a racist. I don't think
I think you you I don't think so. I think you have an amazing
heart, honey. I think that people around you have a voice
in mind and have a way
In the world, you go to Israel. The blacks are just treated like
dogs.
The white Jews, there's white Jews and blacks. You understand?
And are the black Jews less in the white?
Right?
Is the question. We don't evaluate what's right and wrong.
We live in a society.
We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture. But
shouldn't we take a stand for what's wrong? And be the change
in the difference?
change the culture cuz I can't
do what I want. I don't want the Girl.
Girl, they will do what I want.
You might as well. You didn't hear that on the news. Not that
last bit. I heard part of the other piece I think we had.
No, we had no agenda when we had the clip. Okay.
I'm sorry to hear that on the move. No, you're No, you're
right. But it's amazing. They counselor for Magic Johnson and
taking pictures down and
14. Yeah, yeah. But he brings up the black Jews and say 150%
Yeah. Not 150% treated like dogs.
And they suppress it. Why is that offensive? Where the pro
Palestine people are on this? Where I mean, aren't you notice
like, we're bringing this up. Nobody takes it home. So I have
a V. She's on speaking with Barbara Walters. And I want
bought them out for a little clarity. Bob Walters is 100%
Jewish. I don't think she's a practicing religious, Jewish,
but more ethnic Jews.
Listen to how she sounds when the brings up the black Jews on
her show. I think the things he says are not what he feels.
Anyone can say anything in the heat of the moment. Not
everybody who makes alleged racist remarks and the heat of
the moment. Sometimes in the heat of the moment you say
things that you mean that you mean, or that you fail? Yeah.
Explain how he says these things. I think this determines
from a different generation than I am. I think he was brought up
to believe those things wasn't
segregation, whites and blacks. minorities, from black Jews, to
light Jews to dark Jews. Black Jews, yes. So it's not just
blacks. It's anti semitism he expresses but he's Jewish, but
through his actions. He's shown that he's not a racist.
You should see her face when she was video. Yeah, she's Black
Watch.
What
she does is when you gotta we probably gotta listen to it
again. Because she says, Oh, it's an anti semitism thing.
Yes, exactly. Not a black thing.
That was really funny. minorities, from black Jews, to
like Jews, to dark Jews. Black Jews. Yes. So it's not just
blacks. It's anti semitism he expresses
that's the classic pivot, right? We talked about it with the ice
cube. When everything comes out, it's always anti semitism. They
always make it about that. And I just put a little clarity if you
didn't notice. Ah, yeah, so it's just like she'd never heard of
black Jews before a black Jew like what are you talking about?
Maybe she hadn't I don't know. Did you not hear his tape? Why
are you shocked?
Come on, knock it off. Um, I'm Bob barber I'm talking to come
on. Um, but I know a lot of people got their pens and pads
out right now. I'm ready. Right mo fax a letter your laptops and
like, what the hell is mo talking about? Well,
I'm from the book of the Bible, believe me, we shouldn't make
graven images or anything. So we really shouldn't be talking
about, you know, what, what the painting look like or anything
like that. Right? So let me be clear on that. But one of the
most famous preachers in all of history, Billy Graham's take on
black Jesus horns on his brow and his face was bleeding.
And they laughed at him and they spit on and they mocking and
with one snap of his fingers. 72,000 angels had already drawn
their swords ready to come to his rescue and wipe this planet
out.
of existence in the universe. And Jesus said no, to this end
was eyeball
dragged and lifted in Paul that cross. And don't you black
people ever forget one thing.
The man that helped Jesus carry that cross was a black man.
And don't ever forget another thing. Jesus belongs to Africa
as much as he does to Europe and Asia. He was born in that part
of the world that touches Africa and Asia and Europe. And Jesus
was not a white man. Like me.
He is black as some of you. We don't know what the color of his
skin but it must have been a dark color, like the people of
his day, because he was a man like them.
Don't ever say it's a white man's religion, or a black man's
religion. It's our world religion. He belongs to the
world.
pretty famous. pretty famous sermon. Yeah. I mean, and Billy
Graham had the ear of all the Presidents always, I mean, to
say he was like one of the most powerful men in this era. I
mean, but I'm just saying, that ain't my words. You take it out
with Billy Graham. Yeah, I mean, you heard what he said. So, um,
but we've known that they wanted to get rid of Jesus every since
show two. And this is goes to talk about what Florida
everyone's saying that she's seeing white Jesus every since
she's been a child. This is from show two, claiming a seat at the
table.
I wanted to start by just giving you a little perspective of my
household in the 70s. If you were like me, growing up in the
70s, their portraits of MLK JFK, and Jesus hung on on a lot of
folks was that was the Trinity. Today, the trinity of Oprah,
Beyonce, and Michelle Obama could almost replace them.
Wow.
Well, Oprah, a Beyonce and who's the third one? Um, Barack Obama
was a bright No, no. Michelle Obama. Michelle. I'm sorry.
Sorry.
Who's coming down off the wall for GGP? Yeah.
Well,
let me see Oprah beyond say,
Michelle.
I don't know I mean,
well,
look into the clip. In a bizarre step to bolster the cult of
season paint the Christian minority in the Jiangxi province
of Southeast China, have been now advised to replace the image
of Jesus Christ with that of President Xi Jinping. That logic
the Jesus Christ would not, would not pull the poor
Christians out of their poverty by President Xi Jinping. Quote,
on the back of this logic, the Christian for in the shanty
province have been asked to take down the images of Jesus Christ,
the crucifixes and rosary beads and instead, replace them. With
the posters of President Xi Jinping. What has drawn sharp
criticism in this promotion of the culture of Xi Jinping is
that those who do not replace the images of Jesus Christ with
that of Xi Jinping will not be provided with the poverty
alleviation. policies of government services and funding
by the Chinese government. Also, in fact, included as a penalty
for not conforming to that norm. The Jiangxi province has more
than 11 million members of the Christian community who live in
abject poverty. According to some service members of the
Christian community across the whole of China is about 90
million which outnumbers the total membership of the
Communist Party in the country. President Xi Jinping in the
promotion of his personality cult is trying to recreate a
similar practice where after the Cultural Revolution in China,
people used to hang up the posters of Mao Zedong.
Well, it's such a simple and effective strategy where you
say, okay, Zhang ping, T will replace Jesus because He will
bring salvation to you the poor, and if you don't hang up his
picture, then you'll see and if you do, oh yes, there comes to
salvation, because you don't get it if you don't have this
picture. But meanwhile, the
Kids learn that that's the guy. The next generation is who this
affects most deeply. Yes. That's sick. How old? Is this a new
clip?
Ah, I think maybe a year or two old. Wow. Yeah. That's what's
out now you going back now? You want me to buy into that? Right?
I think not.
And I think I will be comfortable to say a lot
majority of
people in America, black or not our non black would not go for
that either. I think they'd be shocked. I'd never heard of this
clip. I think they'd be shocked if they knew that was going on.
Yeah, but you see, that's why it's the what is it called
Overton window? I think the Overton window. Okay, Jesus
comes down for Beyonce, Michelle Obama and other lady. Okay, now
we replace them with Gigi Ping.
Yeah, isn't that rolled off his tongue to say Oh, yeah, we took
down Jesus, JFK and MLK. Oh, yeah.
We put up a first lady a celebrity and it's like what? So
they're preparing you to get rid of your faith, whatever your
faith is, or
whatever. They're preparing. They're preparing the next
generation. That's really who it affects everything we've heard
about. Okay, the first picture I saw when I was born, that was my
mom it was Jesus Christ. And now it'll be Gigi ping
or it'll be Beyonce and she's endorsing that regime
Wow, I'm a little depressed mo hold on let's do this. Some
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any people out there who are weak
people out there who are
out there who just need to hear
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Alright, so coming down the homestretch. Uh, let's see what
we got off the list. So far. We got the scientific method,
rational thinking check. individualism check. Hard work
check. Yeah, geez, Christianity slash the Bible. Let's just say
the Bible. Yeah. Cuz I mean, that Christianity thing is kind
of what what do we what are we missing? What else do we have to
get
out of stable nuclear family?
Let's ruin that. Let's get rid of that. So
as I pointed out, we've been talking about this thing for
over a year. Yeah. I mean, we got clips from that, you know,
just the second show.
We've been talking and it's not a pattern, I bet. It's just that
this conversation needs to be had amongst you and someone
else, like me and Adam, this is a conversation between me and
Adam. When we get together, and like, and we fill in the blank
screenshot, it's like, Oh, I didn't know that, you know, and
in the picture becomes clear. So this guy, this is Mr. Jason
Whitlock, and this is for show 21. And he was talking about the
planned demise of the black family, all kinds of decisions
are being made, all kinds of new cultural norms are being
established, that perhaps you don't agree with.
And, but you're running around chasing after Trump, and don't
even care, that all your cultural norms are being
reshaped. And and, again, we have created particular is
throughout American society, but it's most acute in our society.
We have been convinced as black men and women that we don't need
each other. Right? That's the most toxic, poisonous, dangerous
creation we can have. We're on the precipice of self
destruction, if that takes root.
Yep. Sounded like hyperbole then. Yeah, but not really now,
huh? When would you have the documentation that says Oh,
yeah, you know, that stable family, stable nuclear family.
And I saw this thing cropping up. If they do this weird
sleight of hand trick. They say, well, we're talking about
extended family. Yeah, right to be. Well, if you just take it on
service, I'm like, that's cool. Because I kind of grew up with
extended families. You know, your grandma lived with you. You
know, I mean, she's still a very, very successful model and
many cocoa is the best is the best. I mean, my mother in law
lived with me for
four years. And you you It's amazing.
The relationship she has with the kids and
Yeah, um, if you need want to go out on a date, you don't have to
really get a babysitter, per se. Yeah, that's the whole idea of
mom and dad can still have a marriage, married life. It's a
pressure release. And it's like, it's like kids keep an eye on
grandma. But she cuts the stove off.
forgetful. I'm all for it. I didn't really grow up my
grandparents because we lived overseas. And I was always a
little envious. And when they came to visit, it was a big
deal. Yeah, well, luckily for me for a few years of my life, I
live next door to one set of grandparents. I'm talking about
literally next door. And then my maternal grandmother came to the
house almost every day. And as I said, I had a wonderful
childhood, I actually lived the American life, right? I mean,
like that it's meant to be and that's why I may be
so attached to it in a way because the way you know, I
mean, we have a lot of money, but
like I said, nuclear family and but then you had the extended
family nearby. And, you know, you learn so much. Really, I'm a
baby boomer. I'm
not in chronological years, but like, what am I, um, my makeup?
Because I saw my grandparents and, you know, I was so close to
them the things they instilled in me. I'm not really in that I
think I will be considered Generation X. But I had the
mindset of an older generation because I had an appreciation
for it because I was exposed to it but going back to what I was
saying was they sell you on the dream of extended family of
cousins and now that's not what they're talking about. what
they're talking about. is these makeshift families. Right? Where
are you? on clay we're friends get together. Everybody can
afford a house.
That Zach we're talking about. And I'm gonna give you a sample
how this breezed over into pop culture and mainstream culture.
Oh, okay.
Friends giving?
Yes. Yeah, you're right. Friends giving
you not really to policy your family. Get together with
friends and now call it friends. This is this is the new plan
where you'll be living in a bunk you have a book in a
dorm in a dorm? Yeah.
I think you did a clip on with a Lululemon guy, where he like,
sleeps in like a bunk and he has like two pair of underwear.
Pants. And, exactly. That's the plan for the future. And it's
like, well, the luxury of raise your kid to create your own
family. Cuz your real family sucks, and they don't understand
you. So this is the
this is the war, but they roll these things out. And you see me
like I said, I could have had 60 clips in the show. But it's just
that friendsgiving is a perfect example of this. It's not that
they're gonna sell you the extended family, which I'm more
than a fan of, because I think it takes stress off of kids to
get not the pressure to be 18 and figure things out and go off
on their own right. I really don't think kids and especially
kids in this gym in this age, because of Arrested Development.
Um, that not as a negative thing, but just, we age slower
now, or even myself, you know, I mean, me at 40 I will probably
be where my dad was, like, 27 I mean, so, cuz they grew up hard.
I mean, rough. Um, but yeah, so that's what they're trying to do
is they're trying to sell this I forget the name of it. It's like
a selected family or something like that. Where Yeah, so that's
what they're trying to do and familiar with the with a select
and I'm sure they do have a catchy phrase for it. I don't
know what it is. It is it slips my mind what it is, but um,
yeah, so basically you it won't be extended family which you
would think that's the opposite of the nuclear family. But no,
it's this the like, bit family, like all these friends. So, um,
Jason was on it. And he was saying like, yeah, they're
trying to say black men and women don't need each other and
as always say, it starts with us. And that's why you see
divorce and single parent families and things are through
the roof and man that's all you want to live. That's your
choice. But I don't like how the media selling it as the the best
way. If it works for you works for you. But let's get back into
fresh out 21 and get back in with Jason Whitlock in the
patriarchy. Believe in family blue. Believe in the patriarchy
where and again I don't talk I am the patriarchy. I tell people
up front. You know in it. I pay a price for that with these woke
women now but
I believe men and women have unique responsibilities. And I'm
willing to live up to mine. As a man. I don't again, unique
responsibilities, not unequal responsibilities, unique
responsibilities. All the responsibilities that apply to a
man. I'm willing to take on. Family of choice or chosen
family, chosen family. That's the one I see. That's the trick.
It's like you think nuclear family extended family? No, it's
the chosen family. It's the family of choice versus the
family of procreation.
Yes.
Man, it's so heavy. So heavy duty stuff. You know what the
weird thing is, I got a couple of messages.
And like,
people actually think you're the conservative one on this show,
Adam.
That is interesting.
No, but that's that's the biased thing. They're like, well, the
black guy has to be more liberal than the white guy. I mean, it's
father. No. I'd say you're a little bit more in Yeah, I think
I am. I am. I think you're not saying that. This you're
liberal, but I'm just saying, I embrace my not when I say
conservative, I'm not talking about political affiliation.
Explain it to the peenya. I'm talking about a social
conservative. Ah, and to give you an example of, we always
talk about television shows we have to go back to billions. And
one of the guys identify with
my guilty pleasure is Charles rose senior from billions. And I
get him.
And this is a this is him giving advice on divorce. He really did
try to try harder.
On the marriage seven years before you even entertain the
notion of a divorce ad and the day that Dorsey brothers showed
that Presley boys swiveling his hips, there's been a slow but
steady erosion of the family. Well, here's how you keep one
going. You find a group of friends better than you find one
worse about them to each other. And then when you're all bitched
out, run 10 miles a day, take your birth control pills, and
flush them and make that kid your project together. And if
IRA doesn't know how to fuck you, you teach him, okay.
I'm not done. One more thing. Give yourself the Lyme test. You
stick your finger in lime juice and put it up inside and if it
stings, get yourself cleaned out. does not bring the clap
home. Your husband. It's unsafe. Oh
my god. Man, old school. Girls, Roy. Yeah. Identify with people
like that. So
I think people should try to keep families intact and create
families in it. That's just me. Speaking of, of television
shows, I'm reading here that the Fox Television so almost family?
Uh huh.
Well, that is some deep propaganda for the family of
choice. And I think this is us is another one. You're probably
right. Yeah. Francis, in one phrase was an earlier version of
this chosen family. Yeah.
Yeah.
If you watched it, watch the commercials.
Watch the commercials. Yeah. You better start the pressing me mo
no, not identify the prey. We identify the problem we can
solve the problem. The problem is that we do think everything
Oh, yeah, Prince given. But if you want to get with friends
with thanksgiving, understand, oh, like so my family, I get it.
Right. But
it's just this thing of choosing, you get to choose
everything. You get to choose your family. It's about
destroying lineage, is what I mean. That's what it's about. It
is destroying everything, everything, everything, the
fabric that all fabric care, so much of your self identity comes
from your lineage. Whether you like it or not, it's what it is.
The way you're made up if you're around your parents, your
brothers, your sisters, your aunts, uncles, your see
yourself, you like that aggravates
that aggravates me about them, and then you realize you do it
too. So then that's how you have self improvement. So I mean,
it's it's it's the process so
Going back to black men, the problem is now these black men,
right? Black men are the white men or white people or black
people. That's the narrative. And that's why we can't get
along. Because we have these crazy conservative ideas that
come from the patriarchy. This comes from the conspiracy to
destroy black boys from show nine.
And it tells you pretty much what black men want in general,
out now we have a lot of people making plenty of money and love
that place money for for family.
You see black men, regular white men buy their family house in
the suburbs to car and once a year go down to Orlando for
Disney World vacation. And when black men can't do that, they
don't feel they're worthy enough to stay.
So that was a short clip. But I found a longer clip that really
explains what's your working class. And that's that's what I
speak for. I mean, people think I may think I'm a professional
because I'm an engineer, but bro, I'll work my way up from
packing boxes at the end of the line to where I'm at now. So my
heart and my my understanding goes out to the dude that lights
them up every day, and go may earn a living.
And all we want every time is outlined in this next clip,
which, of course, if you want to talk about black men and black
families, you got to go talk to Steve Bannon. Right? That would
seem like the guy I mean, that's almost like
our,
our buddy
herskovits seems like seems like the guy seems like he has the
profile. Well, let's listen to Steve Bannon talk about his
family and how they came up with
the bill. You know,
my grandfather and father faith, the only two guys in the history
of the bell system to be both 50 employees. My grandfather worked
there 50 years as a lineman, and a PBX guy. And my dad was 50
years started in the sewer pulling cable and worked for 50
years as a father and son worked 50 years for the phone company.
So you had these big institutions, you know, I was
fortunate enough to be raised in a in a great time in America,
right, the 50s and 60s. And he believed in these big
institutions, the Catholic Church, the phone company, and
these were, you know, permanent fixtures in your life. And it's
kind of that stability came from a neighborhood that was a little
bit tough, but it was not like, it was a very solid, great
background, I go throughout the world and meet these very
wealthy people I deal with all the time and see their kids, the
greatest thing you can give a kid is that kind of basic core
loving family that's there and rock solid. So the family, the
church, the community, the phone company, these are institutions.
And so institutions are, are everything is a very
institutional life when you think about it quite
hierarchical, but it's it's it gives you a set framework that
you can you can you can grow and be you know, get to be an adult
and there's a real sense of,
you know, something that's solid, there's something that's
real. Yeah. So he pointed out, he said, you need the family,
the church industry, yep.
The way that we used to work is my dad worked in this factory.
And if my son just wanted to be up to my standard of living, I
will get him a job at the factory. And this is a night
where your kids can inherit your job. It used to be that way, you
know, cuz you get your keys in the union or Yeah, or, you know,
our own at the factory. And, you know, at least you know, you
know what, my son is not going to have a worse life than mine.
But this is where America sold their people out. And black man
was just like, that's all we want, you know,
is the, you know, live in our own neighborhood and have our
church. And the reason why I use the black man and clip is
because
he's Irish Catholic. wish they were the last to get on the
white train. Right.
Cuz, I mean, if you read some of the literature from the KKK,
they hated the cat. No, yeah, yeah, right up there, if not
more than blacks. I mean, it was it was neck and neck at times.
But what I was saying is, even with that, you know, built in
roadblocks, they carved out their own little neighborhood
and they carved out their industry. And, you know,
they're,
I think they were talking about the phone company, the bell Bell
company, and his granddad worked there for 50 years. His dad
worked there for 50 years now look at him. You know, two
generations, three generations. Now you have a son that's a
Hollywood mogul, I believe. I think this is
Official of
work, he's,
he got I know he made money in Hollywood, he owns a piece of
the Seinfeld show. He invested. Yeah. two to two working in
stores put in line and been two generations from there. So let's
all we won't
give us a shot. But you know what? I'm gonna tell you like
this, um,
we're not given that shot. And I had to be very serious when I
say this now. Because when you see a black man,
let me see, I can say this.
When you see a black man give it his all.
And is chewed up, spit out by the system.
You saw this in the rust belt with white Americans. And you
know, I think Michael Moore said this, the reason why they voted
for Trump, it was a big middle finger to the, to the you know,
to the
establishment and the elite, right? You put your you gave it
your all. And then the company has walked in and gives you a
pink slip. Or, you know, you phase you out cuz you're too old
or don't give you a pension. And you as a black man, you see your
father done like this?
Marxism and communism seems like a viable option. Like it is what
it is what capitalism has for me.
And if you don't believe me, listen to this. This is real,
because
I'm in the middle right now. And I'm looking at my Dad, I'm
looking at my son. And I'm like,
Is it something here for me? Like, it was an American
contract? Does that really exist still? Or is it every man for
himself? You know, and then you got to make the best deal for
yourself? I don't even know if I can answer that at the moment.
Mo. I think structurally, yeah. But the fabric on top of it,
that communicates that message is very distorted. But that's
what you saw at the Capitol. Exactly. That's what you saw at.
I mean, that's why I can empathize with those folks.
Because
when they shut down the flour mills and the textile mills and
a small knock on town from before my uncles had high school
education at best, but they could take care of their
families. Right.
Fast forward, you know, 30 years.
And you could have two people working and you're scraping by.
This is the deal America wants to get given to you wonder why
the kids are looking for a new political structure? Yeah, no,
you're right. Are you surprised?
Well, I'm not gonna put it I'm not gonna put it off. I'll often
the young people in the people that's looking for different now
I will say they're short sighted. Because you know, but I
am seeing very hopeful
very hopeful moves towards other exits than the than a socialist
system.
I see a lot. What about the worker? What about the guy that
just wants to get out 40 hours a week, when I'm talking about
young young young people who have come out of college with
papers worthless, and they are starting to build their own
world, they're starting to build their own systems. Bitcoin is a
part of that. I think that's a different crowd, though. I'm
talking about the guy that gets up
and just wants to go and be a contributor for 40 hours a week
and have the house May, I'll just say stay bad, a small house
and not a nice neighborhood. I mean, it wasn't the suburbs. You
know, I mean, it was working class. Right. Well, that's what
it was got one of those guys got you. I mean, what is the
manufacturing that that is? That has to be brought back? I would
not know what it is. Otherwise, there's farming. No, that's what
I'm telling you. That's what I'm saying to America. You're
playing with fire right now for sure.
Because once those people stopped believing in the dream
thing, not communicating that dream to the and like I say, the
the keeper of that dream is black America. I'm just gonna
give it to you straight.
Because we bought in, you know, go to school, make yourself
viable, you know, whether you're a plumber or electrician, you
know, I mean that the workers. I mean, like I said, I'm dabbling
in entrepreneurial things right now. But I can tell you what the
sentiment of the worker is.
Yeah, it's messed up.
And when you lose them, you lose your country. So I've asked
that's the drag that out but without this said, all that is
set this next clip up and this is a
angry black man, quote, angry, um, because he's seen his
father,
destroy.
And he ended up becoming a communist. And you want to play
the clip.
Keep your word. Alright, if you are a man, you keep your word.
And now all the black people in this country are demanding, and
even the black people in the whole world are demanding is
that you keep your word
you told us we were free will then show us that we're free.
You told us that there is justice, equality for all in
this country, you will stick to your word. And let us see the
justice and equality for all. Or else. You're not a man, your
word you're afraid of us, you're afraid to give us equal.
You're afraid that if you give us equal ground that we will
match you and we will override you. And if that's what you're
afraid of
just what you're afraid of. But don't keep hiding it from us and
holding this up to us. And every time we ask you for something,
you give us a little bit of something and
we don't want tokenism. And then most black men in this wallet
don't want charity.
Every time we ask you for something, you give us a little
piece a little piece, you're playing games with us.
What big man I've seen my father.
He was a big man he raised, he went down. And he has to go
around to the back door with his wife.
We're not asking for anything. We're not asking for any favors.
All we want is what's ours.
And that's the sentiment. Now.
We bought into this country and I say we I'm speaking for the
worker now. Not the worker in the communist aspect. But the
guys that drive the trucks and you know, those guys, and it's
getting to the point now where you can't even have a wife.
You don't have enough money to have a wife and a family
anymore.
That's not what you want for a country. No, no, it's not unique
to America right now.
But
some of our some of the problems we're dealing with are or the
actually the opportunities we have. I think it's a lot worse
than other countries a lot worse. And that's why I'm saying
like we thought
if we do the right thing,
it would be a contract.
You know, and like you said in the last guy said
no more just tell us it's not the deal. Right. But that's it.
You're not alone in the boat, obviously. You know, so not at
all. No at all. Yeah, okay. Well, people are what January
six? There you go, that that's what you're seeing that
I can't I can empathize with them. Because I'm just kidding.
only speak from my perspective. It goes beyond empathy, is it?
It's what's out there is is incredible.
Yes, going on. This is a complete tinderbox instead of
talking to me about who incited it, who incited it said Why were
these people so excitable? That's the question that's not
being asked or discussed.
Yeah. And then then you get brought in if you do have a job,
you're trying to maintain your job. And it starts with the
white men first. I mean this
in this aspect of her your white man, your white man, and then
it's just gonna spread to or you're a man, you're a man, or
you're a heterosexual man. I see where this is going. Yeah, the
re education is coming. But when a culture doesn't work for
people anymore, it dissolves. And this is what Dr. Amos Wilson
says In this next clip, clip 37 looking at the question,
what is culture hoarding and hunt said from life from their
life experiences, a group develops a set of rules and
procedures for meeting their needs.
The set of rules and procedures together with a supporting set
of ideas and values is called a culture to a great extent your
co culture involves a set of rules, and a procedure for
meeting needs. And this is thing we have to keep in mind. You
don't have a code to just have a culture. And you don't claim a
culture. Just because it's a culture just because it's
African.
The ultimate thing that culture must do is problems. That's why
people evolve a culture. That's where culture comes into
existence.
As a way of solving problems and meeting needs, that's why, at a
certain point,
when a culture no longer meets the need of a people
or solves the problem confronting a people, that
culture must be transformed.
That's right.
And what will it be transformed into?
socialism, communism, some other isms? Because you're looking at
well, capitalism network. What do you want me be insane? I
mean, that's that's the thing about keep trying the same thing
and get results. So the kids is like, Dad, oh, no, look, look at
dad. He's out of work. You know, I mean, like, he can't even
provide for us. You think I'm buying the capital? I'm not
saying for me. I mean, because like I said, I mean, I see the
bigger picture of Marxism and capitalism. Now it's even worse
than that.
What I get from from the Zoomers, is, yeah, you you may
be well off, but look at us. It sucks for us. So that's your
fault. So it has to change.
That's what it is. Yep, that's exactly what it is. And a pit
pit pit is generational.
generational war, very easy to do. But we're gonna get to that
at a later date. But while we're talking about the, the gender
war, because what you have to do is pit the man against the
woman. And right now there's this war going on. And I've been
reporting on this gender war for a while now. Especially I can
only speak in the black community that black women
supposedly don't think black men have qualities to be husbands
and black men don't think black women have the quality to be
wives. And it ends up and what
you know, that's not helpful for our for our
continuing on on the lineage. Um, but it's so. So I've
got avadi Bob Bochum. He's gonna speak on
Cultural Marxism and he's a pastor, by the way, enter the
cultural Marxist
with a couple of goals, number one, to explain why the
revolution didn't occur, as Marx thought it would Marx died in
1888, by the way, so now, we get into the late 1800s, early
1900s. We get into World War One.
And there are a couple of players that you need to know if
you're going to understand Cultural Marxism. One is a guy
by the name of Antonio Gramsci, Gramsci was an Italian
Marxist.
Another one is not an individual, but a group of
individuals known as the Frankfurt School.
Two ideas, one Gramsci his idea of cultural hegemony,
listen to the way one sociologist puts it, cultural
hegemony refers to domination or rule maintained through
ideological or cultural means. It is usually achieved through
social institutions, which allow those in power to strongly
influence the values, norms, ideas, expectations, worldview,
and behavior of the rest of society, cultural hegemony.
That's the power of
the Frankfurt School. We talked about that, didn't we? And who,
who's holds the power in today's society?
The women? Yeah.
Because they can decide, uh, yeah, I don't want you here
anymore. I don't want to be with you anymore.
And you have these television shows. And when I say television
show, the morning shows pumping all these crazy ideas.
That's counter. And when I say crazy, I mean, there's counter
to what we've done for 1000 years as men and women in our
relationship with each other.
It's this new school of thinking, and the result of it
is that is hitting mainstream, and it's called a strike between
the male and female, it's not black anymore. And I have this
couple of clips of feminists, feminists talking to men's
rights groups. And as we just run through these two next two
clips, and you can chime in how you how you want to chime in,
but I just want to let you know what's happening on the ground
right now. What do you need a whole men's rights activism
movement for I'm sincerely confused? Well, I mean, I will
advocate for positive masculinity and what men should
represent and healthy outlets for men like I still think the
Boy Scouts should be exclusively the Boy Scouts. For example, one
of those things where I would like to think that we could get
some common ground is when it comes to the clear biases that
are in the court system, especially in the marriage and
family court system.
And, and right, there is what I would advocate for when it comes
to men's rights. The things that stand Valley like that I'm
hearing from y'all that are like valid to me, come from a place
of like, I am treated like unfairly by the system, versus a
lot of things women are saying it's also America and the system
as well. But a lot of it is like harm from men. Okay, I think
some of the things that you guys are touching on such as the
court system and gender roles are a subject of patriarchy, and
that is part of what women are trying to dismantle. Is those
traditional gender. Are there any feminist organizations that
have done anything, for example, to challenge bias against men
and fathers? Yeah, of course. Absolutely. Can you please give
me like a list of feminist advocacy organizations that have
engaged in any meaningful advocacy to address those
issues? Because there are actually none. Okay, I know that
you came with your little research, or whatever I do with
a list of like feminist organizations, but I know
actively that there are women's organizations that are trying to
dismantle those interests. Just one name just one again, come
with a list. There are no such organization.
I mean, just how she'd communicating to him my dude.
Well, that's where you throw facts out the window. It's like
you have to kowtow to my, my feelings. facts don't mean
anything all scientific method and your linear racist,
irrationally. No, no, no, no, no, you're not you're not
addressing my feelings. Which to me, my feelings, Trump your,
your your facts.
And what this does is it makes communication impossible.
Between the two sides, this is what we learned with the new
york times with the the veteran reporter who had to resign was
because of his use of the N word. And even though he was
doing it in a, in the context of journalism, the written word.
It the statement literally was that it doesn't matter what your
intent was, it is how it made the recipient feel, which is
just the end. That's the family court system is based off of
feelings. Yep. It's just not realized right now.
Your wife or my wife could pick up the phone and like, you know
what? No, you're gassy. I do actually get him out of here.
Yeah.
True. So what? So just think of living under those conditions?
Yeah. And now what the young men are saying, Well, you know,
what?
Screw marriage. Yeah, I'm out.
If that's the condition, screw it. Yeah.
And if your goal is the population, which it is, and
that's your, you're on the way,
you're heading down the right road, and that's what this list
is all about. It's really about the population always. That's
always what they want at the end, whether it's climate
change, or any it's always less people.
Well,
yeah, what they call the useless eaters. Yeah, it's good. Prince
Charles calls the useless eaters to be specific. Yeah, that's
what they look at. It's just like, oh, what do you contribute
to society? I'm gonna
miss the second clip of this is men's rights versus feminism.
rights.
I think there has been significant progress over the
last decade or so especially in the legal field. But I think
there are still significant disparities that need to be
addressed, such as poor health conditions, bias against men in
the criminal justice system bias against men in family courts,
and bias against men in the educational system, especially
in colleges.
Men and women should be our eyes.
It strikes me like the way you phrase this, you almost want men
to say certain things that you want them to say, as opposed to
maybe actually listening that what they're saying, but
certainly, just kind of like men being analyzed mental
intelligent men, etc. I'm completely okay with that. But
I'm not going to repeat like feminists talking points to
other men. We all believe different things. We may be
under the label of men's rights activists, but for example, I'm
probably the most traditionalist person here. I think we should
be allies. But maybe us being allies in a patriarchy wouldn't
be so bad. You know, us going back to the past wouldn't be so
bad. It would probably be a lot happier if we were you know,
getting there.
Saying married and having kids going to church and all that.
But heads were exploding after that, of course. So, this is
where we get to
material. Here we go. Here we go. All right, buckled in. Yes.
So everybody's cry for justice. Right. Justice We want justice.
You know, everything is you know, it's not just
you know, Justice in the court is held up by Justice. Yes.
Well, Justice doesn't mean to some people what you think it
means you're thinking our fair trial and there was the 14th
amendment? I think there's 14 um, you know, your right to a
fair trial and those things and not not No, no, no, no. Dang the
justice that the people at the top are talking about?
What justice really means. Welcome to chasing Gods where we
find meaning with symbols and myths. To judge with justice is
believed to be one of the top virtues by philosophers, writers
and artists of the ancient world. From ancient Egypt to
Ancient Greece and Rome, Justice has been personified by a
goddess who not only belongs to the highest ranks of gods, but
who symbolism is even sought by them. You could imagine what
justice must have meant to men. This goddess I'm talking about
is Lady Justice. You've probably seen her but may not have paid
too much attention. She could be a statue, an emblem or figurine
to represent justice in the legal system worldwide. She
holds a scale a sword and at times she wears a blindfold.
Yes.
Lady the mother goddess aka the mother goddess. When they say no
justice no peace that's what they're talking about. No woman
in charge What? Yep, no piece. And guess what everybody got
their all out of shape. When you had the the bathroom it put out
the front nice courthouse, state houses. But you got the mother
goddess right in every courthouse? Yeah. Not in
America. Not only in America. All over the world. Yeah.
So now we got to go back to clergymen and we might need a
trigger warning for this custom pastor Gino Jimmy Jimmy.
Q in one show mo that's pretty crazy.
Warning
trigger warning
for women for women and become servant and become servants for
their say for their men. They also have counsel with men who
knew they was being used and told me it was being used and
told me
a man
could help themselves That's right. By this also
know you're being us.
I mean, he won't tell you.
That's right. Especially when she tells you Yeah, I'm using a
man
and you don't care. Why should she care? That's right
now in first estrus chapter four and verse 22. Isn't at all this
scripture all this scripture? That's right. This is the
condition that's right.
By this also, he must know some women around us a memory cost
their mama did it. Yeah. And they had a good teacher. That's
right.
Influenced by their friends
around us Americans uninfluenced by nobody, they just want to do
it. Just want to do it.
The atmosphere that came out of a sister do it. The other sister
do it. The other sister do it.
The mama dog the the grandma my great grandma, my great, great,
great grandma.
It's a family affair is a family tradition.
We're do Am I right
now, but this this, these problems that manifest itself in
the world like in the flesh. This is this is some high level
spiritual stuff that's going on. And that's why you heard Black
Lives Matter doing what they did. Like I said,
no justice, no peace. They talk about just because why would you
believe in a court system that you said it that a new set of
fire? Yeah. And objectifies you and controls you?
What?
No, no, no, that's not the gist they're talking about. And this
goes all the way back to Adam and his first wife, not you.
This goes back to Adam, his first wife. Bye
You aware of Adam in his first wife, Adam, Adam and his first
wife? Yes. You know his first wife was? I guess not.
You would think he right that's would be the logical answer, but
apparently not 45
so Lilith is one of the most popular mythological women of
the last couple 100 years we've seen her as a vampire demoness,
a seductress and even Satan's concubine. But in recent years
Lilith has taken on a new role. She's become the dark feminist,
the embodied, powerful, liberated, unapologetic women
that we have come to revere. Truly, Lilith is a complicated
layered figure. The most popular story of Lilith comes from a
medieval rabbinical text called the alphabet of Ben serraj. In
this story, Lilith is the first wife of Adam, born at the same
time and have the same earth but quickly, they realize this match
is not meant to be the first thing on Adams mind is to lay
with Lilith.
Very literally, and he insists that he be the one on top, but
Lilith will not have it. And she insists that if they do the
deed, she will not lie below because she will not be
subordinate to him. She will not be of lesser status, Luna says
we are equal to each other and as much as we were both created
from the earth is this where little affair comes from?
exactly where it comes from it. This is some Beyonce level stuff
too. By the way, this whole via Beyonce is a representation of
the mother goddess. All the pop stars are representations of the
mother goddess, aka Lady Justice, aka Yes.
Hi, is this from Egypt?
Oh, boy. Wow. Okay.
So we've got the temples. We've got the history, Black History
Museum, American African American History Museum upside
down.
t gyptian. thing. Right. We've got Lilith
got Michelle Obama over brock obama. Yeah. Wow role that she
plays. This is now how do you come? There's gotta be some we
need some some hardcore magic of our own to fight back.
logic or reason? That's why they want to dismantle it, right.
What is that man it was that man is controlled by his emotions is
like a boat and it's in a raging sea or something like that. I
think this statement is something similar to that. But
basically, when you're controlled by your emotions, a
man he's all over the place. Yeah, yeah. And to be honest
with you, women don't like that. When a man is uncertain Oh, no,
no, no, not at all.
Wow. Well, this is why they want to. That's why they want to
restore the masculine principle. That's the whole point. Well,
this is Luckily,
men of all cultures and colors can join hands in this. Yeah.
And it's not a religious thing. What I'm saying is,
because when you operate in logic and reason, then you can
understand the outcomes of what happened. It's like, okay, I
expected this to happen. The scientific method. No, I can
help that happened. Now. Let me repeat, you know, then you have
you have improvements, that's technology.
All of this stuff they call technology now in science, going
back to where we started in the last show, science is the new
religion, but it's not science, right? Are you going to get rid
of scientific method have science to what science are you
talking about? some magical stuff.
No CBOE effect. All of this stuff ties in together it does.
Unless you go and wrap up with 46 you get them give me
nightmares. Man, after a while of arguing. Adam complains to
God that the woman who made for him is malfunctioning, and God
tells Lilith she has lost her husband or else she's going to
be exiled from Eden and that would be pretty miserable. But
Willis doesn't care. And in fact, she flies away screeching
the unknowable name of God that somehow she knows and after a
while it's kind of lonely in Eden and God tries to get love
back saying that, you know, if you if you don't come back, I'm
gonna have to force you to be a demon as soon as devours our own
children or charity. But well, it says
Serbia because to her that fate is better than one of eternal
subordination. Now, to the modern mind. This is pretty
frigging
I'm in St. But there's something keep in mind about this text.
This was not at all meant to be a feminist revision of biblical
mythology. It was most likely written as satire, possibly even
a commentary on the horribleness of women, as if saying, leave
out evil Bob.
But though most of us have come to know her through this
medieval texts, or this medieval story, Lilith actually has
ancient roots born in Babylon and sumeria. The story of love
is first seen 5000 years ago in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and even
hinted at in text before that, originally, she was a handmaid
of the goddess and Nana, the great sky Queen, and Lilith was
somebody who appeared extremely sexually independent, extremely
grounded in her body and her own autonomous power. Why just
described every modern woman there?
Yeah, I didn't say I didn't say that. I did. But I'm just saying
that now you understand. Now you understand and she's the console
of who? The sky The Great Nana Ananya which is who are
representation of Lady Justice?
Which, of course, what? Sorel sisters, what do they operate
in? Just justice?
No, justice, no peace. Okay, that's gonna haunt me for a
little bit.
Oh, man. But you know what we need?
We can't say this. We need allies that are women
to call out this behavior? Because this is not a non
starter? Well, I think we can't i can't think we can say because
that's, that's clearly part of what's necessary. But there's
also I think a large group of women are probably also under
attack who,
believe it or not, may be more conservative often.
Of course, I said the worst thing outside, and I always joke
with people I talk to, and I say the second worst thing you can
be other than a black man in America is a housewife.
Yeah, house. Oh, they're so to me. They're so
look.
That's the hardest friggin job in the world. I'm telling you.
Now we come 360 you're talking about the keys and being at
home? Oh, yeah. Right.
No, one is running the house. Well, yeah, that is a that is a
real? That's a real job. Yeah, you're talking about logistics
and education in medical, healthcare and culinary arts and
in science and economics by coupon in knowing what's coming
in and going out. Yeah.
But they demean him
Wow, I'm a little speechless mo because I'm just like, wow, I
gotta think about this. And and again, I appreciate you because
I'm always thinking what is what is all this information going to
get me to at the end of the show? And that was wrapping it
up with the little thing really hammers at home? And
I can't say yeah,
holy crap. And I also always immediately understand the last
song of the show whenever we get to this part. Like I know I know
why he chose this one. Okay.
Moe, thank you so much, man. This was yet again a fantastic
journey. I'm not as as giddy and happy at the end of this one I'm
more like holy crap, I got some stuff to think about. So I
appreciate that too. If you know the planet attack you can
counter it this is correct. That's what the positive No, no,
no. Everybody out there. Don't be defeated. Because if you know
the plan of attack, then is you can you can defeat it. You can
come up with it. You know it really it is just prove prove
prove what you show your work.
That's what you need to tell people show you work. What have
you built with this method? What have y'all built?
And and but now from this day forward, I will always be
slightly triggered, but in a good way, because it will alert
me when I hear no justice.
No peace, no peace. I'll know exactly what's going on. And as
I always say, pay attention to everything. And the truth reveal
itself. It always comes true. You are so right, moe, thank you
so much, my friend.
I appreciate it. Adam. See you next time. You got it. And we'll
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