more facts with Adam Curry for December 7 2020. This is episode
number 55. I'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas. from somewhere in
Northern Virginia. fresh new member of the 40 Club Ladies and
gentlemen, give it up for Mo.
Mo man 40 a baby.
Can't believe
you made it. You made it. I did make it. And as I teach her on
the hill, I'm not over yet. I'm teetering for this year, and
then I'll be over the hill. But I'm 14 I feel great. And yeah,
give a nice celebration at home, you've family come over, hang
out.
Have this one, two people for one second.
From the last for the 28th October instead of January 1 is
like one big blur. Because I have my two daughters birthdays
they have Halloween Thanksgiving. My dad's birthday
was the 27th of November. Their mom's the fourth? My brother's
the ninth. So it's just been one big for Nope, no pun intended
celebration. Um, and, man, we turned up my wife and the kids
you know, thinking about that you maybe you should just gather
the whole family and go on a cruise for six weeks and do it
all in one go just party every night.
We might just do that from now on because it's it's a wild
time. I mean, it's a great time. But it is a wild time. And
around here in the brown effects house. So very good. I'm happy
you're I'm happy you're happy and good health. And man, I'm
glad that we're back on the microphones because I've been
jonesing to talk to you. It's been it's been just a tad over
two weeks. So I'm excited. It's in August a highlight I've been
chosen to and this topic that we're going to cover so we jump
right in it because I have a pretty cool bag.
The Wheel of topics, I've noticed in the parlance that the
term bag can be used very universally. So we have we got
the bag with the money we got the bag with the money when
you're getting caught. And you got the bag which is I don't
know mo facts dr kit of goodies. So bag is pretty darn universal.
And then it's another one where when you're in your bag, that's
like when you're in the zone or you're doing you're doing your
thing. So let's get in our bag here Ladies and gentlemen, find
out what the topics going to be for. Adam Curry Episode Number
55 nobody knows that we'll have topics will close. Except mo Of
course he knows exactly what is the topic for Episode 55 is how
do you know when a mindset has become a mind trap?
Ooh, lots of mind stuff in their mind. So mind trap mind control.
I'm all over it. So you might need to get your passport for
this Adam cuz I'm gonna take you on a trip to the trap.
All right. I'm good to go. So there was a cultural event that
happened maybe two three weeks ago, probably unbeknownst to
you. But it was on Instagram. And it was the verses battle
between Young Jeezy and gucci mane. I heard of it. Of course.
I had no idea where to look for it. Twitter did not bleed it
into my feed. So I completely missed it. It was to 2 million
live viewers almost to me. I think it did clip 2 million live
viewers viewers on Instagram. Wow. And then you got to factor
in all the other subsidiary streams, people streaming it. Is
this a is this an annual event? This comes back every year? No,
actually, this is one of the great things that came out of
the whole COVID situation. So let me let me explain. Let me
explain versus first so we can get an SVR. Right versus That's
correct.
Yeah, it was put together by Swiss beats and Timberland. What
they do is they take two celebrities, they're somewhat
equally matched or have
somewhat similar catalogs. Mm hmm. I think it's 20 songs per p
apiece are played. And, you know, it's kind of like a
friendly battle. Yeah, but this one was a different.
This one had a totally different concept. It wasn't like a like
A rap battle like the old kiss FM Los Angeles days if we throw
down against each other, or is it something else? You say that
again? You were breaking the ball. I said, is it? Is it like
one of the old rap battles from the late 80s? You know, kiss FM,
Los Angeles, or is this something else? Is this just
pure? DJing? No, no, no, no, no, you actually have the two
celebrities there. Yeah.
For instance, they had I think, Patti LaBelle, and, um, Gladys
Knight, I think those Oh, wow. Okay, so that's, that's a match
and where and what do they do then? So they play one song from
Patty. One song from Gladys or I mean, you had Timberland. I
forget all the ones that we had the one the biggest one I paid
attention to, was the reserve versus DJ Premier. Right, right.
I mean, the production. What do you do? How do you win?
The people decide? And how did they decide? I'm just drilling
down? No.
No, no, I'm assuming that you This is why we do this.
Okay, it's like American Idol. Where you got a text and call
vote. Are people yelling screaming on the floor? No. is
strictly social media fault. There's no score kept. Everybody
has their own scorecard. Okay, I get it. Oh, this that's even
better that way. I like it. It is because it creates a bunch of
who actually won. And it's people score. It's like Boston.
I mean, the best was like now it's like, Well, how about it
could be boxing or politics. It's the same thing. Everyone?
Yeah.
Depends on how you're counting. Yeah.
Exactly. Was this done in the pilot politician voting way? Or
was this done in the boxing way? Yeah, it was done in the boxing
way where everybody has their own card. Got it? And you might
score it.
Let's see. 11. Nine, or, you know, because it's like I said,
me, excuse me? Uh,
yeah. 11 cuz twin is 20 songs. And they run them down one back
one against the other. And this is amazing that you never heard
me cuz this is big. This was like the biggest
a celebrity event.
quote unquote, flat. You can see, are you confused with Adam
from 20 years ago? Who was supposed to show up and see
that? No.
lead over it? No, not at all. Man. It did not you're gonna be
sir. Once we get into, you will see how big it was. So I don't
want her. So to give background, we have Young Jeezy and Gucci
Mane they are to trap rappers. And some may say they are the
king of trap. And this is what this was gonna decide. But they
also have a bad blood between them. So that's what we're going
to explore. And then also we'll explore the the political
implications and the social implications and all of that. So
I didn't think I don't think anybody covered it from the
point that we're gonna cover it from. So
but I guess we need to warn people. This is a popcorn wrap.
So I guess we need to put one people at this point, some
viewers may find the following disturbing. Viewer discretion is
advised.
So we always try to keep it family friendly. We get a lot of
comments. I certainly try hard. I know you mo you barely cuss.
But this may be a little, a little more on the edge because
of the content because of the clips. And that's just a fair
warning for those who want maybe want to screen it before you let
your kids hear. Correct. But I will say this is very pertinent
to a lot of people's kids because as you know they're
watching trap rap is the most
widespread form or genre rap right now. So it's not like your
kids are not exposed to this type of music. So
we're actually this warning is for you parents as a trigger
warning when you find out what your kids are actually doing
when you're not looking. Got it. Correct. So what we want to do
is get into a little background about the trap itself. And this
is Atlanta 1.1
is Thomas Welcome to Atlanta, the city to visit to hate and
drug trafficking hub for the East Coast and the homeless.
Trap Music. I cried
when Robert rabbit used to be able to smell the dope
you should be able to see the fucking dough cookie. You should
be able to visualize and see that shit.
Lana's history is intimately tied up in transportation. When
it started, it was at the end of all the railroad lines in
America, then Sherman came in burnt those onto the ground and
they just kind of replaced them with highways, and plop the
biggest airport in the world on top of everything. So that's
basically where every road in the East Coast comes through,
which makes it an ideal spot for drunk travel. Ah, hey, off the
bat, we're getting to the good stuff.
So we're back in Atlanta. Yes, exactly.
Ah, that was Curtis snow. And he's famous for making, I think
the Netflix movie, snow on the bluff. And if anybody wants a
visual representation or a
account of what the trap is, you may want to check that movie
out. And of course, it's the adult content. So just be aware.
But as he said, it's very chaotic. The music is it's very
gritty. And it was birthed out of the trap house. So the trap
house is similar to what they used to call the crack house.
And the trap itself is basically the drug drug subculture, and
Atlanta and other southern states. And I want to juxtapose
that because I'm from the south. So we didn't really have the
project building is like in New York and those things, you have
more
neighborhoods and houses and that kind of thing. So that's
what became the trap in the drug trade.
And that's
those city blocks or those those streets. They were just it was
all drug trafficking. So that whole area was the drug track
for everything that was going on there. Yeah, and it's not the
whole neighborhood you might have one or two trap houses in
the neighborhood but we're gonna get a further explanation but I
want to set people up to see where we're going here and
that's like they said at LACMA is one of the main hoes because
you have all the major
interstates right? Run through Atlanta, right? So that and then
you have the you know, the largest airport airport in
Atlanta. So all of these things play into creating the trap. So
what would you give a
little background on
the environment and how it birthed the music and then how
the music birth these to an artist, and then their conflict
is going to be a microcosm of what goes on in these
communities. Okay, so good. This is decoding the quote unquote,
urban CNN.
Alright, so I guess we can get into Atlanta. 2.1 man's Give me
one point to keep hearing about the trap. What is the trap?
Is what it is? trap. So you can count up in
one way in one way? Yeah.
Yeah.
That would be a trap going. be just what it is.
Yeah, it's a trap. It's just a trap. That's why it's trap
music. Exactly.
Studio. Is he going to get his hand in hand? You can't have one
without the other candidates. Without the studio without the
dope. The dope
rap.
Now know what happened when the guys from Detroit came in like
BMF. Do you remember?
parties everywhere?
No, everybody had
everybody. See what the move was with the money.
And with the money
all you had to do was go gold. And he had you know, put someone
in.
Okay, I have a question. Because I'm a big fan of associating
music with drugs. And so you know, 6070s marijuana, we had
disco cocaine. We certainly have a rave culture with MDMA, Molly,
ecstasy, etc. In tramp watch the dope of choice. Well, the dope
that sale is crack and pills. Do you have the drug to use and the
trap became prescription drugs Danny bars, lane which is the
cough medicine. They pour with soda read of course.
in Mali, Mali is a large part of trap of trap as well.
So I'm please ask a lot of questions because I don't want
to make any assumptions because I don't I want to I want you to
bounce off from me. Right? Well that way the audience is not are
the producers are not lost. I don't make any assumptions.
Sure.
So just so you said something interesting. The drug to sell
versus the drug that's used so is that to markets people are
coming in to buy and they're just coming into the the trap
neighborhoods the trap house to buy and they're going away?
That's different than not selling to the to themselves.
Yeah, me. Yeah, of course. But then you have, you won't have a
trapper
using crack. I mean, they, they will. I mean, it's the thing
called a table habit. So, when, when you're tasting to make sure
the potency is there, you may pick up a habit. Mm hmm. But
it's not like they're actively smoking crack. Okay, so they
have a different appetite than what they sell. Okay, so now
I'll ask I'll ask to you simply just because just for my own
edification,
what is the drug of choice when producing the music? clean, and
weed? Lean and weed and lean was the the cough medicine you mix
with soda? The purple and that's what you heard purple? Mm hmm.
This is when I saw. Okay, a little. A little sidebar here.
Sure. So lean lean came out of Texas. Way back. We're talking
about UGK, early 90s. But it didn't really explode into what
it is now. Um, until maybe the early 2000s. Sorry. UGK. Yeah,
underground kings. Thank you. That's a bunbee and the late
Pepsi, the late great Pepsi Lin put some respect on Pepsi name.
Um, so these are the godfathers of Trap Music named Scarface
from ghetto boys.
They're the godfathers of trap music but it wasn't trapped in.
But the see kebab is very reasonable.
And the down south or artists look to other down south artists
for influences. God, they don't really mess with New York
artists like they're
so okay. And that's why I say UGK and Scarface loop to some
to some extent from to LA crew. Those are the godfathers of trap
Muse Oh, let me not forget three six mafia. You see what's good.
I want to get on with mafiosi interesting is that
and and I say this, because the,
the whole rave culture, and you know, DJs, making millions of
dollars a year is interesting. Because the DJs as far as the
ones I know, are clean as a whistle. They're nerds, they're,
you know, they used to study mathematics and crap like that.
So they make this music, as far as I know, completely sober. But
it's consumed it often in large settings, raves, arenas, etc.
and ecstasy and MDMA and Molly. They're really designed for that
kind of music. So it's interesting when you have
perhaps a different drug being consumed while producing it,
versus the people who are listening. But is that also
leaning weed for people who are just in who are enjoying trap
house trap music? Yes, yes. It is. I mean, like I said, I gotta
try some of this lien then. I mean, I
know for sure because I'm experimental mode. I'll do
something. And Okay. Well, for one they took it took the the
purple off the I think it was activists. Um,
it was the purple when they took it off the market due to Justin
Bieber. So when he started, he got to that height of celebrity.
Uh huh. And so they pulled it off the market. And I think it
was activist if I'm not mistaken. But anyways, basically
cops start recoding in little ways known for you. This is when
you saw the Styrofoam cups. cups. Yeah, okay. Yes.
These things you probably seen them pop up, but you didn't
understand what was. Now Trayvon Martin case was surrounded
around lean real and that's why he has iced tea and the
Skittles. That thing? Yeah, that mean that popped up? Because
that's what they do. They pour it pour up with yourself. You
put the I never I've never used lean. So this is third party.
You're reliably informed. Yes. Right. So basically, you have
ice you have your cough syrup. You pour up with some soda
sprite is usually the top choice soda and us put a candy in the
bottom of it to make it sweet
so that's what that was all about holy crap yeah that's why
I want to do this show cuz this is why in wheat excuse me lean
got so widespread all across Africa bleen epidemic and the
power of hip hop Yes Wait Yes.
This show you the power of hip hop as a vehicle to take a
message globally
and this is part of the reason why I want to do this episode
and do this show and I have to do it with care. I just don't
want to talk about the the battle and we're not going to
talk about the battle very much it's just like pre post battle
and the implication so yes, that's that's where ln popped up
it is there. Yes. Is or is another Yeah. Okay. Cool. I put
in this is drank I think any other names
purple was the big like, that was the most popular one. And
you couldn't see I'm
I'm a little after that when trap hit. I was maybe early to
mid 20s. So I was still consuming the music. But I had
already my tastes had been defined. So track wasn't really
my thing. Um, but when you're listening to mixtapes, all you
started seeing on mixtape websites is purple, purple,
purple, everything is
interesting. while of course cough syrup is a is an opioid
Yeah, this it can be addictive.
It's no doubt.
And cough syrup is not new. Because even though I mentioned
I mentioned before today, rose up in the 90s. In the 70s. They
were drinking it because my dad would tell me about it and it
had a different name to it. I'm trying to think the main he used
to refer to it. He was like, Oh, no, we were doing that back in
the 70s.
Yeah, I think they put some ink off certain to make you sick now
if you drink too much. Yeah, well, they also made it harder
to buy. And I want to show you another thing. This isn't just
me my perception. I have no proof to make the statement. But
I noticed NyQuil came out with a product. That was not cough,
sir. That was called. Sleepy girl. Yeah, what color was Adam
purple.
Thank you. Wow. I remember. I remember my daughter saying oh,
I want some is quill. Like what? She's Oh, yeah, she was. Yeah.
She said, Give me some give me some z quilon solo cups dad. I'm
like, okay, whatever. I'm just kidding.
But that's but this is really interesting, because this is an
epidemic that is not spoken of at all. Everyone's talking about
weed and heroin. And this is, I mean, I thought this was
honestly, the cough syrup thing. Honestly, I'm always honest with
you. The cough syrup thing, in my mind was like a, and I'll
just use the terms. Okay, white trash, cooking it to make a
really poor man's white trash meth. That is my
that's the only real thing I associate cough syrup with in an
in an abusive way. Yeah, that was I forgot what it's called.
But they put it behind the counter and you can only buy
like two boxes at a time. Exactly. No, this is actual
prescription and the other thing is, it was prescription. You had
to have a prescription to get to it. Got it. Um, but obviously, I
mean it made it to the streets in large quantities and nobody
asked any questions about it so that lets you know how these
farmers some pharmaceutical companies really get down. Oh
you're gonna say something? No, no, no, no, that was just me
going.
In the other thing I've learned enough for today. I don't need
to know any more 24 minutes a show. Perfect.
All right, so let's not be late with the lane point. But that
that's that was a good question about the drug of choice. I
guess we're getting right into a 2.3. And what better guide to
take us through Atlanta's underworld and the devil.
Double.
Seriously though, the double have spent the last decade
working with rappers from some of the city's seamless
neighborhoods and documenting life in the traps that gave
Atlanta scene and that scene. His name.
is pink city pink city is going up with pink city was on how
your street edge wouldn't own Auburn and that was like the
last of the Mohicans for like a really rural rolling is Atlanta
trout like pulled other shows like
fucking zombie movie
no wait a minute he did discussing certain trap houses
just areas in Atlanta that would that would traps I mean that
were real trap so I played that clip just to show you that
there's levels to it the rappers that you see that actually make
trap music a lot of them don't even go to the real trap sure of
course they don't they don't have good passes.
Passes now that's not that's the real thing.
And that means but let me explain what I mean.
Go for 100 passes basically for like artists. So when artists
come to town
doing shows because when you do shows you're not doing the big
arenas you're doing clubs and those kind of things calls have
to be made could taxes have to be paid to get your hood pass so
you don't get to see you don't get shot?
Well so you don't get a cost it and your taxes are collected by
force got it and what kind of tax Could I expect for who would
pass
that would be negotiated by the size of star like I said like I
said they had they had what I'm thinking that term they use but
basically you had to make calls before arranging visits to that
town while everybody know hey it's just like the mob
it is well of course it is. Yeah, let me see drugs payoffs
sounds like organized crime Yeah, and and in that previous
clip I think at 1.2 BMF a black mafia family was mentioned which
is the the crew of all crews in popular culture but we'll we'll
get to them later on in the show. I guess the question I
have is a trap house now.
This is where people also so I mean with a trap House have 10
people 100 people I mean how big are these are these mansions?
Are these rundown slums? Just give me a Okay, picture. Okay,
so what you have normally is, you know, the smaller houses and
low income communities. And you don't have that many people. And
I can say this own good account? Because I mean, let me say I
could say this. I had a very, very, very, very close family
member that had a trap house. Okay, and usually what goes on
in there is a lot of NBA touquet, where at the time it
was NBA Live, when I was frequenting will displace a lot
of weed smoke, um, and you do your transactions out of the
house, right? And you do the processing? But then you have a
a does the house. Does the house take a piece of the transaction?
No, the house is ran by the lover whoever's transacting got
it. Right. And then you have several different trap house,
one guy might have several different trap houses. And the
reason why I say this,
even though I grew up in a middle class, lower middle
class,
pride above lower middle class, my mom, my dad was a teacher, my
mom and social workers today make a lot of money, but they
made enough not for us to have to live and you know,
urban hoods, quote unquote pips, good.
But so but with family and those kind of things, you would go to
neighborhoods and be like, Oh, that's a trap house not in
Atlanta, there was a specific type of trap house called a
bandeau and abandoned house was short for abandoned. So they
would go in to abandoned house.
Hook up power water, you know, turn the water back on, with it
with the right with the key to the city with the college
and get things poppin so the the my version of this, and then
when I was young, is someone would have weed. And then we'd
go to that someone's house whose parents weren't there and it
could easily be 10 guys, that never girls 10 guys, we sit
around we smoke weed, and then we watch the faces of death
video or maybe Diana Ross in the round. I don't know why just
remember that for some reason. And you know, we see like, oh
man, and this is teenager stuff. But what it wasn't organized,
but the guy who who had it would also sell to you. So it was I
guess a version of that.
And they're really professional because they level the trap
houses. I mean, everybody calls it a trap.
If you are a low level dealer you're not going to have your
house set up in a way that a real trap star right we'll have
it set up. And that's what the bars on the window windows and
impenetrable Yeah. safe room in the back. He's got the ladies
processing the cash. Um, this is my movie. Right this right
that's that's but that's the image of you know, this payment.
And it was painted by movies cuz sure the cooking up with women
with no clothes on that.
I'm thinking of. Exactly. Yeah, one of those rooms. Because I
plan to and then you know, you have. Okay, so you have new jack
city ministers Sati showed you how to cook crap.
Yeah, those are not movie videos, basically.
Exactly. So just just to lay it out what's going on here and
we're heading somewhere. But let's go. Let's go ahead and get
into 2.4 crackheads and Shin Shin another Street. Like it was
like an extended stay motel. Maybe 17 or 18 rooms. And only
motherfuckers or new adult boys are smokers. So like, when you
went in there was like, that was a real trap. Like your enemy.
They're not openly gay unless they know who you are. Know what
you're doing know what you want. Like around the world, like
people are using the word trap. They don't even know what the
fuck that means. You just get trapped in it. I don't know. How
do you?
Is this a white girl? Yes.
It's an Atlanta concept because Atlanta was developed around
railroads there's a lot of one ways and dead ends. So when you
pull into a one way or a dead end, you go down to the end of
the street where there's some dope it.
That's a fucking shrub.
Because if they draw down on the street, your fucking stone
thinks that he may have been paved under to make way for
lofts and brunch spots. That Atlanta has no shortage of other
traps resisting the crush of gentrification.
No, okay. Got it. So, so the,
the layout of the city, and how the neighborhoods are configured
one way is those kind of things. Maybe we
are, yeah, made it perfect for this. Right.
And there was one hotel in Derm. While I'm, while I'm originally
from it was right behind the police department, and it was
one of those kind of hotels where you pay by the day. And
you know, it's kind of that CD thing.
Yeah, but it was allowed to happen. And it's not the city of
Durham. I can't I can't remember the name of now, but people from
Durban know what I'm talking about. Um, and it was allowed to
be. And it was, I mean, cuz like, you can set up a trap
anywhere, to be honest, but I don't want to get go down that
rabbit hole. But now we have to get into poo and vinit trap
music. And there's a lot of argument about this. Let's play
the clip and then we're coming back out to see who actually
invented trap music in 2017. rap and r&b surpass rock as the
biggest genre in the US based on album sales and string. And trap
is arguably raps most popular sub genre. That means millions
of Americans of every shape right now are listening to music
that invokes the cultural legacy and ongoing struggles of
segregation, structural racism, and urban violence. When you
think about somebody like a TI, right, he talks about the
consequences of what it means to be a trapper, and he uses the
music to kind of work through that this is really interesting
to me how everything is all strapped everything and I'm
like, I mean I dealt with my students so it's like you have
trap yoga trap and paying trap karaoke trap water. And I'm
like, I mean, I am a trap purist, I really need to get a
shirt it's just basically me sitting on the porch so to speak
and being like shaking my fist like no this isn't this
but I'm slowly but surely coming to you know grips with the fact
that trap music is now trap aesthetics because it does have
that kind of distinct print that can be used to update or remix
other genres that are already in place. But I also wish that
folks would also you know, basically give receipts and
credit where credit is due just just didn't come out of nowhere
attracting just come out of nowhere. You know what I'm
saying?
Man, I got to open a trap karaoke bar in Austin
that's just perfect because it's been monetized so much they have
a sheet a trap water trap yoga, right when I hear commercials
now have trapped me Yeah, when I hear someone say the systemic
racism I'm thinking okay, traps been hijacked. Probably.
Yes.
very very long time ago and it started with these two gentlemen
in the verses. But so let's just have a quick conversation on who
started trap. So some people say to started trap because he had
an album his I think his first album is called trap music. But
who brings to mind the first Trapper I remember seeing was
cool breeze. He used to be an outcast. And he kind of set that
model for you know, like the the Atlanta trap trap. Trap boy. So
yeah, so I mean, he is who and then people some people say well
Gucci man started and other people say well, Jeezy made it
popular and this is where the crooks comes in of who birth
trap music.
Also, I want to make one more point and then we can move on.
It always troubled me that it was called a trap. I'm like,
Hello, is the Ernie loss. Don't use it. It's called a trap.
Right? Your plan with your life one way and one way out. Like
the master or Dan, or dead end. Right. So I've never that's why
I was it's weird because me coming up. I was Listen, I
listen to podcasts and Goodie Mob. And there were from
Atlanta. And they looked at the trap as a negative. So when
especially the outcome, it wasn't the outcast wasn't their
whole vibe to be positive and upbeat. Yeah, but what about but
while being realistic? I mean, they didn't sugarcoat it, right?
They were like, yeah, we know, these are the things but it's,
um, we got to do better, like when they're famous songs would
get up, get out and do something, right. So there were
always positive. So when I started to hear this, quote,
unquote, Trap Music come in.
I had mixed feelings about it, because I'm like, I grew up
thinking this. But at some point, crack was made cool. And
I think that really gained popularity with JC there was a
lot of drug dealer rappers before him. I'm not saying that.
But he laid down the blueprint of sell drugs. get famous. Take
that money.
Yeah, sell drugs, take that money, get famous. Yeah, flip it
and flip it into your music career. Right? And that's how
you get out. I mean, it's like get in get your money started
label, and then you can be successful. And that's what
Curtis snover referring to, you know, the money like drug
dealers with fun rappers. They were looking for rappers to fun
like, Oh, you can rap. You can claim our set. You can claim our
crew we put our chain on you and a chain. It's very important.
The chains are people think these chains are just jury. No,
no, no, no.
They are very important. You're going to hear why later on.
But that's kind of how this whole thing started.
happening because you had a Goswell bunch of money that will
look in the laundry. So it's like, let's start a label who
who was really that? You know, I understand the content I
understand
the lyrics but really the beats really the music which is very
distinct. And who would you say was the beat master that started
that intro you had to you had the ADA way come from Miami sub
base. And then you had the you know, the high hats the triple
high hats.
who started it? Well, you got DJ temp, he gave us the TR flavor
trap music. But zaytoven
I want to say
it's a book. You got to get me killed because I don't want to
give credit on your credit. That's okay. Well, yeah, it was
it was several different producers that that had artists
they work with that they've stylized their type of trap.
Okay, but I will say zeto there Okay, let me explain this. The
trap music that we hear popular now was birth by zaytoven and
gucci mane. There was a another trap like shorty red and Gz
which was probably the most commercial successful trap
music. There is. But it didn't take hold like Gucci man's trap
means and they all this is important, but I know people
like why are we talked about ranking? Is it too early for me
to talk about crunk because that's that I do know. Well,
crunk crunk was pre dated. Trap. Ah, okay, which
That was Littlejohn in a Star Wars.
That energy
that was Crump. So but when the lead comes in that doesn't
really mix with, with, with the crusher, that's when you get the
slow down with the double high hats. Really chopping screw
plays a lot into this too. That's from Houston, where they
would slow the music down really slow. And this is like the
effect of drugs having on the music and the taste. But yeah,
so Okay, I don't want to get caught too much into the weeds
of it. But that's the history of trap. Now I want to Oh, well, we
got one more clip, and we're gonna explain how historical
decisions actually created the geographical trap in Atlanta. We
talked to Kevin Cruz today about his article and his book white
flight to see if we could find any solutions to Atlanta traffic
problem. The rise of the modern expressway movement, the
interstate highways in the 50s. Really obviously a postwar
transformation that hit American cities at the same time. A lot
of them are wrestling with issues of segregation. Cruz says
there are two ways constructing highways played into segregation
making the highway so that it destroys poor black
neighborhoods, or make a highway that separates them from white
neighborhoods. Local officials have a say in where these roads
get placed. And it shouldn't be a surprise that as they're
thinking about where they're going to drop highways and
destroy neighborhoods, they invariably single out what they
see is the worst neighborhoods in their communities. And these
are overwhelmingly poor communities. And most places
these are overwhelmingly African American or in some places
Latino neighborhoods. This split is most noticeable along I 20. A
report from the Georgia historical society says that
while deciding the route of i 20, the Atlanta bureau of
planning said it would be the boundary between white and
African American communities with that logic in mind, is how
you get the kind of the contorted and
in weird ways in which the highways in Atlanta and other
cities take place. It only makes sense if you're thinking about,
well, just from a pure traffic facilitation standpoint, we
would put them this way. Yeah, Austin, Texas is a great example
of that. Where we have I 35. Sorry, no good. Yeah, we have I
35 going right through town and east side is always been poor
pips black, that's where I live. And to be honest, we have a bit
of a trap problem here. But not so not so much trap houses. But
we got a lot of people who got high powered stereos in their
cars. And they like to congregate at night. And the
bass rattles my windows. That's the traps the trap. That's
that's the eight. Oh, wait, wait, that's that's the drum
machine. That is the not only the drum machine, but that bass.
Mm hmm. That is the signature sound that and a triplet. Haha,
that is a signature sound of trap music that thump. Yeah, and
you got to have big speakers in your car to play the thump.
Yeah, and that's a southern thing, because in New York, he
didn't have cars. So you will listen to your music in like, on
boombox, our, our headphones.
down south, we we had cars because you had to have a car to
get around. You have public transportation, right? Like you
do in the north. So the first thing you did was get
a speaker's I don't care how raggedy car, the car or some
speakers, right? You had to get some speakers and get across
loud. Yeah, you got to have the app. But you know, the
crossover, the tape deck, CD deck. Just as an aside, there
were I forget, it was in the Netherlands. And it was at the
height of my television career there. And somehow I was paid to
do an appearance at a car show that was specifically for audio.
Now I'm talking.
I'm talking 80s
when it was just starting with the crazy ass amps. And I
remember, there was a contest and some for some reason I
participated sit in the car for I think it was two minutes at
full blast. And I think it actually did something. I mean,
here I am with hearing problems. But it was unbeliev it wasn't so
much the sound. It was just how how your body vibrated.
And that's part of the sense that cars, and that's so for
some people that's desired. My brother, he had a Cherokee, and
he had like 215 and it was like 1000 watt amp. And it would it
would basically take your breath. Yeah, it was hit so
hard. Oh, yeah. So that mean that is a real stupid shit we do
as humans, I'm never never cease to be amazed. Well, it's a
mating ritual. Sure. That's exactly what it is. You can pull
up your
attention. Yep.
attention seeking mating. That's a mating ritual. Irrespective of
color. Yeah. So I just want I mean, all these things have
subtext.
to it, it's just not I mean a lot of things. A lot of times
people just look at the surface and make judgment and don't
really want to get into the weeds but that's what we're
gonna do. That's what we do here. We were on a week to week
basis, show the show basis but specifically this show because
there's a lot to get to it. So Atlanta was the mecca of the
South.
We you lived in the south, you didn't say I'm gonna go to New
York and make it. It was I want to go to Atlanta what is the
Atlanta doing? That was the sister city to like Charlotte,
North Carolina and Garmin. The same things you saw there how
they said the highways destroyed Atlanta, dirt freeway destroyed
hayti in turn, it ran right down the middle. So in these next set
of clips, we have where the Atlanta and trap
effect is spilling over into small towns.
You may remember the story about four Lagrange teenagers who say
they were approached by a gang member those teenagers said no
and in turn us the CEO the housing authority for jobs
several times and they never gave up. Please say gangs are no
longer just an inner city problem and it exists in small
towns to the Lagrange gang unit took Fox wives Nathalie pozo
through some of the violence street gang areas, and athlete
detectives tell you that gangs have always had a place in small
towns in a tom the gang unit with Lagrange to tell me the
structure for gangs in the city have always existed. A few guys
getting together and vowing to protect their neighborhood.
Investigators say when known gangs like the Bloods or the
Crips and larger cities like New York and Chicago find out about
the structure. They offer their support becoming more
widespread.
It's a place where children play an innocent scene. It's also a
place where innocence is lost.
Police a places like these basketball courts can be a
recruiting base for violent street gangs. I will play a
basketball and
soccer sound a lot to her house. I do want to be in a gang. 14
year old demand and D on wood art and 13 year old Jaylen Parr
Hammond, Dileep Smith say they were approached by a gang member
at the Lagrange housing authorities basketball court.
Yeah.
So, so these gangs Well, it started from the north, right
when you had all this supply.
And, and it was a saturated market. It's like,
where do we go? So it was a term called going down south in New
York and other places, they will go to DC and DC and New York has
a rival that mean that still got a robbery that goes on to this
day.
Even in Derm we don't really care for New York people.
Because the people you came encounter with from New York not
all but some wanted to come in, set up shop. Yeah, take over,
like a franchise. It was a well wasn't me take over business. It
was a drug franchise, right? I mean, have your mom and pops
thing going? It's like I want to bring a McDonald's name because
I have this all just inventory so I can drop the price down.
It's a good one. No, just a thought that crossed my head is
that the somewhere along the lines in this episode, people
are going to realize how important the corrupt banking
system is. This is exactly why you be
UBS.
HSBC, the bank existed, they were laundering billions of
dollars. Billions. I've always said the 2008.
The great what the Great Recession.
If we didn't have a drug trade, you and I would not be talking
right now. This country, most countries need drugs to run
weeks, the system doesn't work without it. And we're talking
about, you know, the on the street level, but this goes way
up the chain. And it's funny that you say that because that
was the height of trap music. Or that was when Trap Music
took his place as the King of rap. right in that very same
time. And I was just like, I will love to go back and
explore. You know that the correlation between those two
happening. There's so much so much more happening than we
probably realized that would be a great documentary and probably
a life a lifetime work to to figure that out. Yeah. So you
can see here now they're recruiting. I mean, just like
when a McDonald's or Starbucks comes to town, you have to have
employees. So we
are now Yep, go to the basketball court and a housing
project. Yeah. And that was the ideal place to recruit.
We can hear more with small town too. And they can't ask No, we
can't say no. Because I don't want to is a lot of people
getting killed, you still fall gang and gone to so I want to do
so they very persistently asked the CEO at the Lagrange housing
authorities jaja heard for a job heard says when she realized why
they wanted work, she hired them on the spot. We've got to find
them something to do. We have to do it. There's just no way I can
just send them back out and potentially be on again.
Sergeant Mark cavinder with the Lagrange gang unit knows the
streets of Lagrange,
pointing out the graffiti and high profile gang areas.
Sergeant cavinder says rural communities are a breeding
ground for well organized criminal street gangs associated
with larger cities in search of existing structure in small
towns. Okay, you've already got the structure in the foundation.
We're going to give you the back end and the support of the
rolling 60. Crips or the power rule blood. Sergeant cavinder
says they also look out for gang members who migrate from other
areas into Georgia and Lagrange they do have their local
leaders. But we do have evidence that suggests that there's
funding as well as reporting back to and even taking orders
from other nationally known gang sets such as the Gangster
Disciples, eight, two bishops. I guess at this point, I'm
curious. The gangs that trap gangs all black or they're
Latinos, are they separate gangs? Are they intermingle?
It's I mean, I know it's a lot of questions. But no, no, no,
no, it's great. It's well, the gangs themselves are
neighborhood based. And I want to point that out because when I
graduated in 1999,
I barely knew any people that were in the gangs that we know
Bloods and Crips, it was more neighborhoods. You had Brad
town, wall town, pew gardens, MacDougal terrorist, all these
neighborhoods. But in a year of me going off and coming back to
Durham when I went to college for a year came back. Gangs were
everywhere to the point where Durham little Durham, North
Carolina has two gang documentaries.
That's how fast people come in. And I think this was spread
through the federal prison system. Because when you would
get locked up and you get recruited, whatnot, they would
send you all over the place all over the country. And then you
might get locked up in North Carolina and you go to Oklahoma,
and you might meet a guy from California there and he might
have a Connect but he liked what you got to know claim this or
that it's all franchise and you know, bring the franchise back.
You hire Are you employees This is how it works. It's no
different than any other business demonizing now it's
very important business.
Yeah, so you bring your franchise back. say here's your
uniforms, you change your chain. Here's your chain and you set up
shop and I think that the federal prison system I
I'm pretty sure spread a lot of gang activity one being because
in button on North Carolina, which is like 20 minutes outside
of Durham is a huge federal penitentiary.
penitentiary Yes. And I think a lot of the gang activity and
Derm came from there so
so yeah, so we ablaze over there small a small town so I'm just
I'm showing that how these things happen in major cities.
I've never owned a shop up I've never understood towns I've
never understood why
prisoners go you know, you can be arrested arraigned, etc.
sentence in North Carolina, but you gotta go serve in a whole
nother state. I've never really known what the purpose of that
was. Besides that you don't have a federal prison in every state.
I understand that. If you want to be nefarious is a great way
to go across.
Exactly. This seems like a huge failure on recidivism. Just that
one simple fact putting people in different places where they
meet new new criminal gang members and might decide to set
up shop elsewhere. And I'm going to foreshadow here because one
of the popular documentaries of the early 1990s was a banging in
Little Rock HPL Yeah, I remember that. And in Little Rock, it was
nothing but Bloods and Crips, right and to myself I was baking
powder down. Bloods and Crips get into small little,
little rock. How'd that happen? But we
See later? How I think it happened. Okay. Okay. Yeah, cuz
that was a California gang. I mean New York, they had Bloods
and that kind of thing. But just to see these kind of things
spread it spread through music and I think the federal
penitentiary system, that's just my, my, my perspective, my
perspective. So I guess we can go wrap up with the final clip
from our small town. Investigators say the best
recruiting tools are fear, intimidation, and the chance for
fatherless boys to feel a sense of belonging to kids who have
little to no involved family involvement at home.
You know, these gangs will, will give them that they'll give them
that family feeling that you belong to us as soon as
belonging, Sergeant cavinder says arresting people will not
solve the gang problem. The only way to change the problem is to
change the thinking sports activities and people taking
time with them other than the gangs or the crime side and
mentor them along the way and helping them
help is what these teams got. They keep up the garden, clean
the chicken coop and more stable out Trey Hurd knows there are
other kids out there who need help. And as hard as it is she's
had to turn children away, because they simply do not have
the space we lose them. So that's concerning. Because I've
heard the teacher say these were really three good kids, but we
lost them heard believes there's a lack of programs in the
community and feels that they were more community engagement,
mentoring and education programs in elementary schools, children
would have an alternative but we're hoping to catch up capture
them now at five, six and seven. So when they become a teenager
that desire to be in a gang is not even there to wrap up on the
small town. I like to make a couple of points, one, so I
I was born in Springdale, North Carolina now I moved to Durham
when I was like nine years old. But I will always go back to
spend every summer to stay at my grandparents and my my all my
family center, their uncles still kind of thing. So I would
go back. And I remember when someone when I went back
there was this guy named I just call him s right. So s ki lived
down the street from my art and my living in a low income
neighborhood. And he was like the first in hindsight, the
first drug dealer. I saw up close because him and my brother
went to school, um, when my brother went to school back in
spindle which is a very small town in North Carolina. So when
he like he had a gun and
he I mean, cuz I mean, you don't see my handgun. I never forget,
it was a blue nine millimeter. And that was like the most
fascinating thing to me a blue gun, right? So, um, and he had a
CD player and a Mustang and he always bought food for everybody
and everybody loved him. And it's not this. People want to
make it like all they're oppressing the communities. El
Chapo is loved in his community also was john Gotti I mean, the
same thing they these guys were handing out cash to people who
needed it, of course, that that's how you run a successful
criminal organization as syndicated Sure. And I'm gonna
take the alliott handing out cash and I'm going to open on
home with the wrapping up the story. So there was another guy
that, um, you know, participated in the illegal pharmaceutical
trade. And what he would do is so we had this gym that will
open and we miss Mr. Monroe god bless Mr. Brimmer. Oh
breastpiece um, he would open the gym up and that gave kids
something to do our parents were at work or whatever, you
couldn't afford a daycare at his summer camp. Now, you will go to
the gym, play basketball, uno those kind of things for square,
but it was this guy will ride around the whole summer.
He would drop dollars out of his car. And it was like a game. He
would come by drop a handful of dollars out and kids was
scrambled like wildfire like trying to get the dollars. Sure.
And then he'll come back around with the music stuffing. I mean,
just to give you the imagery I just like the ice cream man.
Just a different tune.
And it's funny that you say ice cream man because that is what
Gucci is known for is the ice
cream.
But that was if I didn't have a father like they said in the
previous clip that strong masculine energy being a boy.
Yeah, yeah, draw me horse. You get it from the gang? Sure. Cuz
I'm a 40 year old man and that's still etched into my memory.
Like, how cool is that to be able to ride around and throw
cash out your window and to poor kids. And I'm sure he was like
I'm giving back and I'm looking out and I'm sure he got some
kind of ego boost out of it too. To see kids scramble like that
but it was like this is one of my
childhood memory. So, um, so we're gonna move over now when
we're in urban Atlanta, and we're going to move over to
Buckhead, this is Buckhead church over in Buckhead, and
this guy clay scroggins gave a sermon on mind traps, and the
victim mindset. How do you stop these mindsets from becoming
mind traps, no one likes feeling trapped. Can you remember the
last time you were trapped? The problem is we have these
thoughts and our thoughts, fortunately, and unfortunately
can create feelings, feelings, both in the here and now. And
it's not necessarily what happens to you. But it's the
messages that you give yourself about what happens that
determines your feelings. And not only do our thoughts create
all of our feelings, but the thoughts that defeat us are
almost always fraudulent, or wrong or distorted or illogical.
And sometimes they can form a cycle, a mentality that becomes
a trap. So how do you know how do you know when a mindset has
become a mind trap?
There's a ancient Greek philosopher named Epictetus who
said this, that we are disturbed not by things, but by the view
in which we take them. We think it's the circumstances that are
depicted that are that are disturbing us. But no, it's our
view of them. That's actually disturbing us. Yeah, that's
pretty deep. It took me five decades to kind of figure that
out.
So easy to live in a mind trap. So if you say that was he's
talking about inside? Yeah. Your inner thoughts. Now say you are
listening to music, and your environment is a trap little
trap.
And you wonder why these kids and young adults get caught up
in this lifestyle? Because like, there's nothing better and this
is what politicians sell to them. Oh, there's no hope out
there. You know, Unless Unless we help you there's no hope.
Sure.
So I would play that clip cuz I was like, and he's from Buckhead
Atlanta. I was like, cuz I was looking at mine trap and that
kind of thing. And it popped up and I'm like, Man, I'm gonna say
this to people.
Through this process, would I not? Do the the groundwork for
the clips and everything? It's amazing.
I think it's called synchronicity. Yes.
Of what is the eyes of a Reverend? And Buckhead, Atlanta
and Buckhead and Bankhead that knows have a connotation to it
too, because Bankhead is the hood. Yeah. But my cat is rich
neighborhood. Right? And it was a clip and just to give a just a
mute music low a tidbit of music. There was an outcast
first CD. The guy was like, Yeah, I got these off of the
folks off in Buckhead. So I was like, That's amazing, man. He's
preaching over in the Ritz out Atlanta, about my traps. Yeah,
when you have the actual trap, right across town in Bankhead
and you know, and all the zones in Atlanta, so but I just wanted
I wanted to share that so I know people like I thought he was
going to talk about Jeezy and Gucci. This is the by had to lay
all that out.
So you don't just look at them as rappers entertainers
trivialize them now, just hopefully now people understand
and humanize is what we like to do here. We like to humanize
people and not make them in just a
figureheads. So which which is exactly what almost all media
does, even if they're even if you're trying to do an honest
documentary just that turns it into just the nature of a
documentary turns it into a dehumanizes people strangely
enough All right. So now we get to Jeezy and Gucci so this is
going back to an okay and what we refer to all the meat I
apologize for all the
Mute the music bed I know it's probably killing a lot of people
and I want to strip it out but that just been too much work to
try to do it.
So this is going back to the vice series noisy in Atlanta and
this gives us the some some background on Young Jeezy
quality Sound Studios the home of QC label this amigo says
label and it's run by coach Kay, who's there dancing in front of
the console. He is the Migos manager he kind of discovered
them. He's also a Gucci man's manager. And before that he was
Young Jeezy's manager he is sort of like the traphouse impresario
like the Tony Wilson.
I don't think trap music was really born until we put out
Jesus first mixtape
Which was the street is watching and then we put out traffic. And
I think after that people got Jesus running rapid man. He was
like, awesome CEO shit. He wanted to be masterpiece. He was
a street nigga. It's like he was respected in the streets. Yeah,
think about this. If you put out some white music in the street
has no respect. They're gonna be like, Oh, you want to wrap it?
No, he was rude. You know, they came in a game a millionaire.
I'm not gonna test it.
Well, God never officially signed with BMF he ran with big
Meech and his crew during their heyday in the early 2000s. Pac
Man by mafia fan base with a lot of money to tell Jesus you got
to start talking about this shit. Music. Once he understood
how to do that shit. It was always it was the soundtrack to
the streets.
That Jeezy hit that Thug Motivation one on one classic
album, classic album. That was what kind of brought me into
respecting trap music. Because what he did with that album
when you want to say okay, sonically and
the level of just quality music, he killed it. I mean, this thing
was
I think onto itself he had the the snowman t shirts, which they
ended up banning. Alright, I remember that. Yeah, that band
came in he had a mixtape follow up saying can't ban this. No,
man. It was so widespread. Cooper. Do you familiar
with the album? Yeah, it was mostly shorty read. Um, but
there was a host of other different producers on there.
Well, but the biggest contributor to the atom album
was a shorty shorty read, which that's why I said he had a whole
different brand of trap. And this predates the Gucci man
current trap that we have this really very simplistic. This was
like a very lush sound bed of Samson. They had the Lowe's and
it was just a very high quality product, just from the musical
standpoint of it. And that's what gave trap his credibility
as a legitimate genre. Inside sub genre, it's not a hip hop.
So So much so that it influence Kendrick Lamar and on Kindle and
Mars good see a good kid mass city. It basically it's a I want
to say like a maybe like a documentary album. What he does
is he highlights
what they call ride and so when you're a kid and you're poor,
you don't have a lot of money.
You fill up the car, and you have your favorite CD or two and
black and mouths maybe some weed
and you ride and freestyle and and what I did was I was able to
collect all the skits or some of the skits from that album, and
we're just gonna listen to him and his friends interact around
that the motivation one on one album
pack a bag in a big city get a free sales rep.
I think he is
pretty good.
I think we should push back to
what
I'm trying to be the negative
to kick back as Alibaba way to roll out the commission
report
back at the Black Panther
meetup
back down
I can give me a little context of what I would have been seen.
So I mean, this is audio cuz it's on an album. So what you
have is a group of friends
and album he explains it more. So you have a group of friends
and this is just an everyday conversation,
conversation and actions. Like I said you get your opinion in the
reason why I relate to this because this is what it was you
got some blackened miles you freak them that's where you take
all the tobacco out and then you take the inner lining out and
then you put put the tobacco back is commonly known as blunt.
No, but it's not a blunt because you put the tobacco back and
this is before
You might you put it this way
you put it, you take it out, you put it back in, you take it out
the tobacco and it has this thick inner lining paper inside
of it, you take that out, and then you put the tobacco back
in. pools. Daughter. Yeah. And it gives you a head rush.
And you will smoke like two packs of these I mean, you can
afford we like that. But this is this is the route so you riding
around and you have beat CDs and, and you freestyle and we
tada freestyle and you will listen to your alma choice. And
at that time, like I said, I was maybe 2526 when Jesus came out
so I was past my rotten days. But I could relate to this. And
the reason why I played this clip was deep all the way in
Compton, California, and Jeezy in Atlanta, had an influence on
him and his career by this album, so much so that he, um,
let it be known and this skips to this classic album, good kid
Man City. So I'm just gonna I'm showing you how I got it. I got
lost but right. Like I said, last time I checked, I was the
man on the streets that was like a quotable. So when you get a
hip hop, quotable. That's like scripture.
Yeah, I mean, that that there's no other way to put that slide.
You've you've provided scripture to the hip hop. Culture. Yeah,
you're saying that wasn't one of the many. That was one of the
many quotables from that album. And his ad libs. I mean was
crazy. Like Yeah, you're saying so anyway, so I'm getting caught
up so anyway.
Yeah, cuz i mean it's it's nostalgic for me um, but
we're gonna get to the background of Jeezy and
Gucci man s'mores that was Jesus comment somewhat back I'm a bio
so we're getting to a Gucci man's now. When did Gucci man
start coming around to see at the same time he's at the same
time I want to just record again he walks up on say you Coach K.
I'm like he said I'm Gucci man.
I'm the guy you've been looking for. With Jeezy at the top of
his game Gucci man the up and coming era parents. Coach K
decided to put the two together in the studio to work on a song
a song we all know as though I see a studio that man I swear to
god he sung that hook so I see
a hook all day. I told you man like let's try this shit. You
know I'm saying this shit might be crazy. This hook is melodic
you know. So then zaytoven comes in
Beethoven is one of the first of Atlanta's super producers and
the principal architect of the trap music sound when I first
came here when I got my first hit the so icy with Gucci man
and Young Jeezy. It was very Bay influenced because I was just
moving from you know, the Bay Area. So if you listen to the
music if you like that don't sound like no producer that came
out of Atlanta. You know, I mean, cuz I was fresh out of the
Bay Area. I was cutting here at the barbershop Gucci man called
me like a man as a Young Jeezy. Wanna do a song with us? I
haven't made a beat. So I ran home made him at my mom's house
made the beat in like five minutes. And then we went down
to the studio to meet Young Jeezy. You know, I'm from the
Bay steel so I don't even know if a woman like my beat. So when
we play the beat, they didn't even wasn't even feeling it for
you until after the doula wheels on the hook. You know, the audio
good is that was used to her dad and to be going together. Then
you start looking around a studio. Everybody in the studio
got a pen and paper trying to write and get on the
mat. So this is where Jeezy and Gucci mans up paths cross with
this classic song so icy, which they had never performed live
into the verses. That's why this was such a big deal. And you're
probably wondering, why did they never perform this online? Yes,
Mo. Why did they never perform this song? Well, so I have this
next set of five clips. And this was done by this suburban kid I
forget the name of his channel. I'm sorry about that. But reason
why I chose him to tell the story is because this shows how
street happenings make it into white suburban America. So I
wanted that perspective.
To explain what the real story behind Gucci man and Jeezy. It's
1998 and Roderick Davis, better known by his rap name Gucci Mane
is 18 years old and he's about to graduate high school. He was
selling weed and cocaine to make money and decided to go to
college because he qualified for a scholarship. He continue to
make money and sometimes would record songs to mess around in
the studio mostly as a hobby. After going to college for about
a year doing computer programming. He would get caught
selling cocaine to an undercover police officer
He was given 90 days and probation. He lost a lot of his
money and was kicked out of school losing his scholarship.
He had some time to think about if this is what he wanted to do
or something else. Upon finishing his son's college, he
decided he should just release a mixtape since he was already
getting good at it, and he's been rapping since he was 14. To
use the little money he had left to finish the tape titled Gucci
Mane the flair presented by straight drop records. He
slapped them on 1000 CDs and passed them all over Atlanta.
This will work out extremely well for Gucci because he
started gaining buzz pretty fast. He saw an opportunity and
decided he wanted to start his own label where he would recruit
other artists as well. Around 2001 he met a barber named
Xavier because one of Gucci's homies attended the same barber
class is Xavier made beats and was trying to make a name for
himself as well under the names they Tobin
So a couple things one
zaytoven By the way, so recognizable when you hear that
it's like oh shit and zaytoven to what what is the the
distribution method? So you got the mixtapes and I remember this
being a big deal, man, this guy's me everyone's got this
mixtape.
What, what is the commercial distribution method? At what
point? Do you start making money with your music? Is that only
when you get
a distribution deal from from a label? Or does everyone try to
go and start a label themselves? Or I mean, it's just
I would rephrase the question. How is it consumed? Is this
music mainly consumed?
in the neighborhoods?
On handouts, CDs, mixtapes, etc? Or is everyone running Spotify?
You know, or is that or is that when it goes mainstream? And
that's when the rest of the world and that's where the real
money comes in? Do you understand what I'm asking? So
yes, so this is pre YouTube whenever you
want to understand smartphone boom, really changed things. And
this is pre smartphone. So people weren't getting online
and listening to YouTube or SoundCloud existed at that time,
the main method of distribution was the trunk of your car,
right. And that was the turn of the trunk he was saying stepping
out the trunk, which was popular last by none other than the
great masterpiece which we got to put some respect On
masterpiece name. Because he show all these young guys, you
don't need a record label. Go straight to the customer and
wanted wanna come in give you hip hop quotable here. He says
15% can't even pay my mF and rent. That's what masterpiece
told him. Like the little money that the record labels are
trying to give you all this bull crap. This is. So two things
one, beautiful, because that's exactly what we know.
With our value for value model. And the other part is, it's a
total call back ironically, to how the record business started.
In the 50s. Commercial top 40 radio, it started with people
selling records out of the trunk of their car at gigs anywhere
they could do it. It's it's an interesting throwback. But it
was not lost in the south because you had the chitlin
circuit. Yes, they have a network of clubs. And of course
the clubs changed but the influence was don't. And if you
were able to get a buzz, then you can start doing shows at
these clubs. And this shows the entrepreneurial spirit of these
talented individuals. See everybody wants to paint them
out to be at service dogs or whatever else is like no is
Jeezy was. I mean, I legit millionaire
before he even got into rap. coochie man was a scholarship
student and a coder. Yeah.
Yeah. So this, if it had other routes, there will be
stars and that is just like this is the only thing you had in
this. You know, this is when the CD a CD ROM came out the
rewritable CD ROM first came out so that changed everything
because it's like now you don't need to buy it actually prints
tapes or prints albums. You know, you could buy a thing was
like the one that used to print like 10 CDs at a time. Like for
like $500 if you had one of those, and then you go by a
computer and able to record your music and a clause I'm speaking
from man, I'm telling you hotel personal experience. hotep Jesus
has the right idea by getting Bitcoin into this community.
He's got the right idea. Yeah.
Yeah, that's exactly what it is, is whenever you give us
something and I just one little small tangent,
whenever you give
black people quote unquote with pips
Anything we turn it into something else you got to think
about it spinning yarn. My brother the beat machine was not
made for what it was used for the turntables was not made what
it was used for. The sampler was not made what it was used for.
is like we take these tools and like you know what we can flip
it bounce it and create something totally different even
the vocoder same auto tune as we call it now. Yes. Yeah. The auto
tune Yeah. Oh, the NOAA itself was a different piece of
equipment. And they showed up in you know, series
around it past 20 years old or something. Next thing came up,
right? Yeah. But they showed up in posh shops and we're easily
affordable but that's why I became the weapon of choice for
a bedroom producers. Yep, cuz it's something that the original
what it was originally meant for. It was but it was a this is
cheap like this. What you see in a great example was um, hustle
and flow. That's, that's a perfect example of how hip hop
careers was start is a couple pieces of equipment microphone.
Boom. You often you often one, but we continue on with the
story of the real, real Gucci man and Young Jeezy Part Two
around the same time in 2001 Jay Jenkins, who was known as low j
has just stepped into the GA scene and was gaining buzz as
well. Much like Gucci Mane he spent the last few years trying
to build a label. Though Jay was in deep in the streets selling
weed and cocaine. He was said to have over a million cash before
ever considering music. He had a ton of money and was always
interested in music, but initially never wanted to rap.
After a few run ins with the law and having a new baby. He wanted
to focus more on his label and began building a studio where he
could manage artists under he would sign his first few artists
and start the label Young Guns entertainment. This was going
good for a while but eventually their main artists would catch a
murder case and get locked up leaving no real talent to lead
the way. He had dropped a ton of money in his studio and into his
artists so he wasn't going to let it go to waste. He changed
his label name to CT and he decided to start rapping as the
main artist. He dropped his first tape thuggin under the
influence in 2001, which featured little john is a
producer and an immediately got a small fan base. Since little
Jay had drug money to fund his tapes and new people and music.
He would get all his music played at every strip club in
Atlanta, which back then was a massive way to get your music
heard. He went around Atlanta getting his music played over
the next couple months. He decided to change his name to
Young Jeezy and continue to drop back to back mixtapes like
Trapper die with DJ drama until solidifying himself in the
Atlanta rap scene. He did this until 2004, when Def Jam signed
him for a massive amount of money. With gucci mane and Jeezy
leading the way in Atlanta wrap, it was only inevitable that a
collab would come soon.
Nice, good stories like this, I want to I want to take this, I
want to take this time to point out this is the reason why
atonement is needed. I know people say Oh, here he goes.
These young men has to resort to a legal activity to get the
starter money up for what they really want it to do.
It's a bunch of young men out here that have great ideas, but
don't have the capital to get it off the ground.
Well, allow me to say something about that. Yes, you're right.
On the other hand, having come from, well, I, I'm certainly
middle class, upper middle class. But having left home and
school etc. to
build that starting capital yourself. Now, obviously, drugs,
maybe not the best way it's a faster way the the payoff can be
much higher the risk, you know, the risk reward situation. But
so that I'm responding to this because you say atonement.
It's a very different thing for an entrepreneur to start and
scrape those first few dollars together and build and build and
build and build and it it's more than just the capital that you
build the you can do what you really want to do with it. It's
the process and the appreciation for hard work making smart
decisions, whether the activities legal or illegal
doesn't matter. Right. So I would say just so we're clear
from my standpoint, yeah. This is a crap way that there's no
other or that apparently no are no other avenues to do that.
Yes, that's the key word right horse parently. So I'm not
currently I'm not saying that this should be handouts is what
I'm saying. It's like just because someone has a great
idea. A toman doesn't mean handout. I think we're no we
agree on that. Right? What I'm saying is if they had the
capital to start a business, then they wouldn't have to
start. Go here. Now. Well, I want to make you a great point.
That's why I run the bill. Apparently. So we're talking
about people that are stuck in this mind trap. of this is the
only way to do it.
This is what you've been told this is the only way to dare you
go. And this is this is what they say about getting it from
the mud. You know, you have to get in there and get it from the
ground up. And we you tell people were the only way you
could, um, another quarter, we had to get a call to
be honest, this show is for me today. I'm loving it. I'm loving
it birthday show, this is a birthday. This is a birthday
shout to myself because this is a hip hop show. Not that the hip
hop show. But this the shares a lot of a lot of what makes me so
because I went through that not the drug selling part because I
understood the bigger implication that it was a trap.
And it's like, those odds are not in my favor. No to you know,
make out flawlessly. And that's why these guys are celebrated.
Because we you beat the system, no matter what the system is.
These kids look at you like of course. Of course. Of course
you're here. Oh, sure. All right, right. So and the reason
why I'm saying about capital is Mikey said you to get the
producers to pay beats and studio time, it wasn't like it
wasn't is now where you had to actually I mean, you couldn't,
the equipment and quality of recording at home is nowhere
near what it is now that the quality of music that you can
get out. So and with paella, which you're familiar with, I
was interested. So because I've read about it, not that I've
received it. No, no, no, no.
No, what I'm saying that is a root. Of course, it's a real
thing. But it it just to be clear, the payola stuff is
rarely as RIT was rarely ever cash maybe back in the 50s it's
always perks it's
if you're if the station is corrupt, and the station will
get advertising buys or so called independent promoter will
put on an entire show for the station in the stations name and
will actually pay the artists and will only take a small cut
to the station actually makes money with zero investment. Now,
these are all parts of the payola scheme no pay cash. And
in this industry over here, it was straight up cash. I'm not
speaking on something I've heard this is something I know
especially for those DJs that play like the late night window
where they had a little bit more freedom what they could play. It
was me I'm talking about the urban radio station is cuz I
like from like 12 to like five in the morning. No, I mean, do
you play what you really want to play? So w BLS Frankie Crocker
price you can shake a hand and slot a couple of $100 in like
get your stuff on the radio and then the other pay all the way
outside when I say pale I'm not just speaking about radio
stations. They alluded to strip clubs, right?
You can slide the DJ you know a couple 100 567 $1,000 and he
will he will play your music and then club and if the strippers
dance to it and this is why the relationship between the strip
club and trap music is so strong and this is why you're seeing
strippers be legitimate
legitimate
under Trap Music air under the under the trap music era because
they go hand in hand yeah got it. That's your your test market
as well as your your Launchpad not even test market. Yeah, it
was more of the launch pad because it's I mean, if the
girls didn't dance to it, then you knew your track suck. What
That's true, but then if you end up making what they call a
movie, and that's the track this plan at all. Let me go find out
who that was. And I'll go you know, in Are you in the parking
lot, but that was my song. You know, you sell not to Trump. So
I'm just I just want to point that out that this is the hurdle
and I want to make it clear one time we're talking about in the
mind trap. Oh, this is my only way out. Yeah. That is the that
is the real crime here. Yeah, of tricking young people into
believing that there's only one there's only two ways sports are
this. Well, that's another quotable Notorious BIG ad you
got us a slang rot or you got a wicked jump shot. Yeah.
I mean, that's that's pretty much the mentality that is like
sewn in and in you know, the, quote, quote, unquote, urban
community, so we can move on. And now we I think we stopped at
three I believe. With gucci mane and Jeezy leading the way and
Atlanta rap. It was only inevitable that a collab would
come soon. In 2005, Gucci Mane and Jeezy would record two songs
together the first time
was black teas, which was a response to disenfranchise boys
hit song YT and the second song was so icy or just icy, so I see
what go crazy in the streets almost immediately, and would
then be featured as the main single on traphouse one. The
song was such a massive hit that even high schools across the
country banned the iconic snowman t that Jeezy wore in the
video. As time went on. rumors surfaced that Jeezy may have
been upset with how things went. Although it's still not 100%
clear why Jeezy was upset, we can assume it has something to
do with the fact that he wanted the song to be on his upcoming
album, he quickly took to the studio to release a diss track
titled stay strapped where at the end of the song he would put
a $10,000 bounty on Gucci so icy chain
Jeezy would start to distance himself from Gucci and cause
some strain on their friendship. Gucci would also get upset at
the fact they could never perform their song live, which
he felt they were missing out on a huge part of promotion.
Because once again, this isn't the days where live shows made a
huge impact on getting your music heard. But Jeezy didn't
stop and he continued to be. Over the coming weeks the petty
beef would turn into something much more. One summer evening
Gucci would go home with the stripper after a party. Just a
month after the spicy hit dropped. Five men stormed the
home where coochie was saying armed with pistols brass
knuckles and duct tape. They were getting into a physical
altercation pistol whipping the stripper and hitting Gucci in
the face. One of the men allegedly yelled shoot him. Wow.
So this was the bounty for the chain. Damn. This is where the
chain comes in.
Two parts murder with allegedly sitting around are centered
around a chain because somebody tried to snatch his death row
chain. Right. And that's the footage you see in any other
closed circuit.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cuz they'll death row chains. Like I said,
Every crew had a chain. And it's kind of like Capture the Flag,
if you want it to. And you even see it to this day is capture
the flag and then now they go on social media and show it all aha
got your chain? You know, do you have to pay a ransom to get it
back? And that's like the one of the most disrespectful things
like because for somebody to take your chain off of you. They
had to be close to you. Yeah. And what it represents is like I
can walk into anywhere I own you know what it means I own you.
Yeah, I got 20 bucks to walk around with that kind of jewelry
on 2030 $50,000 worth of jewelry in one chain. And like, you
know, you don't have to tuck it because that's like the I mean,
that's what Friday you remember Friday, when I read forgot the
tuchis chain and Bebo took it from him. I mean, this is these
are real, real life applications you see in movies, but yeah,
getting your chain smashes by one of the most disrespectful
things that can happen to you. So I don't want I don't want to
belabor the point. I know we're probably running. You know,
we've been very conversational. I, honestly, I really love this.
I don't care how I got all Saturday and Sunday morning,
brother, I can keep going this is great. Because it's it's a
side of music, that while I was kind of doing other things at
the time,
but all of these things that you're talking about, I recall
or I remember some bits and pieces of
and from an MTV guy perspective.
You know,
there was a very different view of hip hop into this day, I
would say a very different view of hip hop from the mainstream
media perspective, which is probably the one I'm more more
familiar with. Because it's number one single dad rapper
number one single dad, that's the only way you get attention
for crossover. ads. Yeah, you get a Pepsi ad and those big
companies like latch on to you but nobody really. And I'll say
this, then we can jump right in the four.
This is pertinent because you're seeing dead rappers pop up now.
mode three,
King Vaughn, and a host of other names or rappers. They're being
gunned down
right now, and some overtrained steel. So it's not like we're
doing a history lesson. This is a
peek inside peek inside of what's really going on now. So
with that say I guess we can go and jump into four upon
realizing his life was at risk. coochie Shopback. Some people
say he reached for his gun, where other stories say he may
have disarmed one of the men and took his he shot the gun killing
one of the men as the others ran off three days would go by until
someone found the body of the deceased man in the woods behind
the elementary school. When the smoke cleared, authorities
identified the man as pooky lock one of Jesus prodigies under a
CTE label. After nine days Gucci Mane will turn himself in
claiming self defense. He released a statement saying he's
not a murderer, but he was scared for his life.
He had to be a man about it. The case would later be dismissed
after his eyewitness confirm that Gucci acted in self defense
when five men tried to rob him, going forward Jeezy was still
deny any involvement with divani. Despite pooky lock being
directly tied to him in a CT level, Gucci Mane would go
public saying he suffered from PTSD from this event, and we'll
shoot jabs about it in his raps He was later one of the most
famous lines he stated was this
to continue this feud for over 15 years until November 19 2020,
where they were put in the same room as each other in 2020,
during the World pandemic of COVID-19. Record producers,
Timberland and Swizz Beatz would start a webcast series titled
verses with rappers unable to perform this was a great way for
hip hop fans to watch their favorite rappers go head to head
showcasing their hit songs in a battle light competition after
Jeezy was invited to the show. He requested to go up against
Gucci Mane thinking it would bring good entertainment seeing
the long time for you to go head to head. Oh, okay, now the veil
is lifted. Okay, I get it. I see what's going on. What was that
quotable mo I couldn't quite catch it. Which one? The one in
Oh, oh, go Go. Go dig, go dig your partner. But she can't say
it. So he's talking about and they do say pooky lock was Loke.
It was whenever his LLC is pronounced Loke. But that was
the god so Gz allegedly, let me let me make sure I don't piss
nobody off. Allegedly, the story is that he sent put a bounty on
Gucci chain, the ice cream chain. And these five guys who
were close associates to Gz went to go.
Yeah, I mean, because if you get it, then that gives you
automatic credibility. And can you just translate this to
translate? Can you just because I can't hear it? I can't hear
what's being said here. This
your partner up? And I bet he can't say it.
Okay, gotcha. So basically, I killed them. And you're saying
if you want to say something to go dig him up.
And very nice, very gentlemanly. It's not and the crazy thing and
this is why this versus now we're at the versus
these two men in Magic City, which is the club in Atlanta,
the strip club in Atlanta, the world famous strip club in
Atlanta. Oh, what happened?
No, no, no, no, it's Majesty the madness.
That's
right.
The place to be and I heard they got great wings. I got I got
good authority. That will be the only reason I go is for the
wings. I mean, I'm I'm so this is the setup.
And you got Jeezy on stage? You got Gucci on stage? People don't
know what's gonna happen.
Is Cray. I mean, this is what Bill This is why 2 million
people tuned in, of course sissy. Is it gonna explode it to
a brawl? or What now? Was this a completely non mainstream
commercial event? Were there advertisers sponsors? Or was
this completely organic? I know, every urban or hip hop related
content creator had multiple videos have videos on it. Now, I
don't know about commercial as far as I didn't. I mean, I don't
watch very much commercial TV. I didn't see any like ads for it.
But verge like I said, When versus hit when versus say they
go to say a versus is a big deal. Yeah. I think the lowest
when I seen maybe have like, a couple 100,000 people live, you
know, that's pretty that's a pretty significant, very
significant.
And then you talk about, Hey, I think 2 million with the record,
I think this was the record versus and who and who organized
this? Swiss beats and Timberland super producer in hip hop. And
it's a genius idea.
So and then one of the other ones the funny one was a baby
face and a teddy rally. That was hilarious. So
how old are those guys at my age now, aren't they? Right?
Yeah, so um, I guess let's get into five and see what happens
that this versus after the show got closer shots were already
being fired, mostly from Gucci Zen. days leading up to the show
Gucci would post memes on his Instagram about pokey lock as
well as insulting Jeezy's outfit that he wore for his upcoming
album. As the show went on it we gained over 1.8 million viewers
on Instagram alone. It started out slow but things would
inevitably heat up as the rappers played hit songs as well
as some of their old diss records. By the end of the show,
they would make history when they perform
Their hit song so I see together for the first time in 15 years
after the song was performed, the two would have a brief but
wholesome exchange of words. It led many viewers to believe this
was the end of their long lasting beef since the show
Jeezy has spoken out saying he feels better hoping they could
put this all behind them since then, rumors have come out
online about a possible collab album coming soon.
Okay, so promise.
At the beginning of the verses, it was very tense, because Gucci
man actually did the two diss tracks. Talking about Jesus dead
homie Damn.
Yeah, I mean, cuz here's the thing.
He says, I mean, cuz we, I guess we
were at a point where we can start looking at who Jeezy and
Gucci is to Gucci Jeezy was always the corporate minded
person, he really didn't want to be a rapper. He wanted to be a
CEO of a record company. But he bet on himself, because like
because artists kept flaking on him. So he, you know, he became
gotten in front of the microphone, and started
recording music and he blew up there.
But he always had that corporate mentality. And I think that's
why record labels really embraced him. That's why Def Jam
gave him a huge deal puffy, Jay Z, they all put their arm around
him. And he became a fixture in the music industry. But he never
had the popularity of a Gucci man who was strict like, cap
trap. And what I mean by that is, he was actually from the
trap. And when he became famous, he stayed in the trap. So and
that's why the young artists like a Migos Young Thug. All of
these guys came up on the gucci mane. So it was every talk of
music wise Jeezy had the better music, and probably had the
biggest Biggers
was that the highest higher heights, but we talked about
longevity is Gucci man because of his organic beginnings and
staying true to the streets in the trap. So, but now, hopefully
they do do a collab, I doubt they do a collabo. But that will
be nice to see. But it started out very tense to be able to
begin that versus Well, I'm excited to see how this unfolds.
We're not even halfway yet or just about. Right. So speaking
of collabos I think we got one of the best collabos in well in
podcasting.
And you want to remind people what the mo Faxon Adam Curry
show is about Yeah, we'll do that with this beautiful clip
from Malcolm X. First, the white man in the black man have to be
able to sit down at the same table, the white man has to feel
free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings are both
Negro. And the so called Negro has to feel free to speak his
mind without hurting the feelings of the white man, then
they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of
the table and take an intelligent approach to get the
problem solved. The only way to do it. And today's episode of
Moe facts with Adam Curry is more an educational process than
a comparative process, which is I think of paramount importance.
And thank you for humanizing, as we said. And as you mentioned
many times, I'm very excited about the rest of this show. And
you probably realize that this kind of program, its length, the
topics, the language the way Moe and I talk, which is just like
two American men who want to understand stuff and learn from
each other, not really compatible with canceled
culture, Black Lives Matter ink or with commercials or any
corporate money, which is why we've chosen for the successful
format known as value for value. It's successful because the
producers of the podcast are the ones who keep it running, you
get value out of it, all we ask is for you to return that value.
It can be in a number of ways we like to say time, talent or
treasure. In this case, we have a list of producers, our
executive producers and associated executive producers
and other producers who put this together for us and have stuck
with us regardless of time schedule. And we we published
but I think it's appreciated how much work goes into this, how
much time efforts, thoughtfulness and then for us
to be able to discuss the way we do and keep it going. It's
really a testament to these producers for helping us so with
that said let's start off with thanking our executive producer
for episode number 55. And we start with James Irvine, who
sent us $250.99 and he has a note, just love this show. This
is a white guy this gives me a wonderful insight into the true
meaning of being black. It goes so much deeper than I ever knew
or even ever had a clue about Thank you Moe and thank you Adam
for cluing me in in the morning. He says Jeremy Jim Irvine Night
of the RV and a to the MS.
All right beautiful.
Another
familiar name here with $230.33 little magic sauce dipped on top
from Sir David Foucault's odo mo anatomy says the education
continues. Thanks for doing the work. I use the information you
bring up almost daily, most of my American employees are black,
we've had a lot of great enlightening conversation, some
of the more interesting chats have been around the difference
in skin tone. And I would have been lost if not for the
education I've had from the show. Are you familiar with the
term high yellow for light skinned blacks? Mo? Yes.
So
poly high yellow. And we may talk about this one day, but
I'll be quick with it. So how yellow is
it's a little different than by ratio.
And what I mean by that is, you see, I'm trying to think of
somebody or you could refer to as high yellow or red bone.
It's, it's not that light skinned that you get from like a
biracial, a relationship or a child who biracial means it's
more of a
you have Halle Berry, she would be considered by a hot yellow.
And it's pronounced yellow. I don't know why, I mean from the
south. I don't know why, but it's high yellow. So that's,
that's, that's what high yellow means to me. Well, David said,
he said I did. He said many of them are very active in the
Masons. Is that true? The high yellow?
Yeah, cuz, well, you got to go back to what we talked about
with the brown paper bags.
Of course.
That's very familiar, familiar, familiar, as well. But he wants
to know if that'll be a topic in the future. Well, sounds like we
will touch on that for sure. And he continues anyways, keep up
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straight into a throwback block. So this is from the show the
shoot is number 48. And this is white Mike. So I want to we
don't have to linger around a long conversation in between
each clip. But I want to play these clips to give context for
the affer mentioned trap music. And then it'll explain a little
better the second half of the show. Now in this time I learned
a lot of beautiful things about a lot of beautiful people. I
learned a lot of ugly things about myself. And I learned a
lot of dark things about the nation in which we live. But I
also learned that I being white Mike specifically the white part
have a lot of power.
Mike has a question today. And that's this. How come when you
turn on the radio in Jacksonville, or New Orleans, or
Chicago for little rock? The only people on the radio that
talk about how great it is to kill each other, are black.
How come that exist 15 stations on a dial go up, go down. The
only people on the radio bragging about getting automatic
weapons gunning each other down, are black. This right here is a
song. My pastoral vocabulary won't let me read the title.
But I will read this catchy young black male not paying
attention that the red light with your ak 47. Let me see you
shoot it here a killer. You're a killer. You're a killer. You're
a killer, black male? Let me see you prove it. Why does this
exist? Oh, this is a great series of clips. I've often used
this as an example with people so I won't spoil it. Yes, I want
to
play this just to show that how it's normalized.
The acceptance of the behavior that went on between Jeezy and
Gucci man. And not only that, that's why I chose the person
that did the background of their beef as a I would assume to be a
suburban white kid, a white young man. Oh, it's totally
accepted. And I just, I couldn't get to the next clip, I just
want to point out to people, all the terms that come out of trap
rap and bleed over into everyday society like Turk and Draco and,
and her ball and chopper purple lane. I mean, do you think it's
just and it's and it's really, really see it show up in
advertisement to show like some kind of credibility. So I just
want to say that, I guess we can get into the second white mic
clip. I'll take it even further. Because a lot of time racism
exists in what we in what we don't know what we don't see.
Where are the white killers on the radio?
Where are the white ak 47 shooters? Where the white drug
dealers? Where are the white people on the radio that brag
about what it's like to murder witnesses before trial? The
truth is they don't exist. And the question is why? Why don't
they exist? Do white people not kill people? Do white people not
use ak 47 to shoot each other? I mean, we know do white people
not do drugs and they're not do drugs? Of course they do. But
why is it that doesn't make it to our mainstream radio? Why is
it that we don't hear it hundreds of times a day in
hundreds of cities across the nation 1000s of plays that say
the idea that a black guy would kill another black guy is
something to be celebrated. Something to be romanticized.
Yeah, well, that was playing since I've already heard this is
a throwback to Episode 48. The only white song that comes to
mind about a white guy killing a white guy is Johnny Cash.
That's how long I killed a man in Reno just to watch him die.
And oh, gee, Johnny K. Oh, gee, man, very Oh, gee, I got to
think about if there's any more. But yeah, so weird.
And it's just totally accepted. Like I say, I just want to lay
this out just so people can really think about in hindsight,
what we've discussed, as a whole culture, and Wise's accept it
and like, and I'm guilty of it too, because I enjoy rap music.
But when does it?
How does it build the cage? That is the mind trap. So just think
about that. And I guess we can get to the third one. And maybe
that maybe it's because there's no white audience for it? Or
maybe it's because it's not really marketable. Maybe because
it's not good. Can't get sponsors. I don't know why it
is. Or maybe it's because it's just not the white man's role.
Or maybe when white people get up and talk about being drug
dealers and ak 47 killers. Maybe it's even sicker than that.
Maybe when white people do it, they're accused of acting black.
The truth is in America, black murder is normal. Black murder
is normal. The idea that a black man or a black woman would be
involved in a homicide, either as a perpetrator or victim is so
common, so broadly accepted that basically goes unnoticed. The
truth of the matter is black families are affected by
homicide rates of 10 times their white counterparts. There will
be more deaf in the form of homicide involving black people
this year than any other form of violence that dominates our
national conversation. More than school shootings, mass
shootings, mass shootings, workplace shootings, lovers
twist lovers trips that turn violent and buddy even more than
in war and in terrorism, no one will lose their life at greater
numbers than black Americans involved in violence. You know,
Blackbird in our country is not only comes not only frequent,
but it's an idea that we celebrate. It's an idea that we
say is is okay. We actually make heroes out of the notion he rose
out of people that trivialize and romanticize it. Every time I
show this information, people always say well, it's the number
three cause of death for white males. What is the number one
cause of death and without fail year after year, it's called
unintentional injuries, accidents, falling off a four
wheeler or crashing, you know, a go kart or you know, bungee
jumping without paying attention to you
No knots and things like that. So basically the American story
is white kids are dying because they're clumsy and black kids
are dying because they're gunned down
so put To put this in perspective cuz you imagine
carrying Justin Bieber guns down one of the Jonas Brothers
progress but no I can't
now let me just say this that's how
either accepted and warped the trap mind is compared to the
mainstream media music do you know let me just relate
something I know we didn't want to talk too much in between
these clips but comes to mind
Ted Demi Ted Demi is the guy who really started yo MTV Raps with
Ed lover Dr. Dre different Dr. Dre. And Ted, because I watched
this up close and I was fascinated by it.
And I always got the feeling that Ted is no longer with us.
Sadly, I wish he was because man, the guy did so much for the
music. But to me, it always felt a little bit like let me help
these these black people get their success
in it sounds kind of weird, because I know it came from a
really good place. And he really wanted to expose the music but
the time that then that's why I said it much earlier in the
show. Yeah, we've got to get the the urban cnn people have got to
hear this, we got to get that out there. So it was really
encouraged. It was encouraging, discussing exactly what's
happening on the streets. And of course, you know, once that's
encouraged, once that becomes a hit then comes the money then
it's Hey, we want that you ain't getting you know, you're not
putting that record out. Not that happy sunshiny stuff we
want this. So it was an industry from early on before trap
really.
And was weird thing about it. That's why I said that my taste
was different. And I looked at the word trap, and the whole
culture differently because as you say, I grew up under
root, it was one thing to tell the story and not sugarcoat it,
and be district descriptive. And so it has the appropriate amount
of impact. What we saw with trap music was the quality go down
the intelligence go down the being a caricature of
basically
hood culture, not even know not even hood culture. It was going
back to the days of blackface,
right? Oh my goodness, yes, it cuz it's, they can't even
pronounce words correctly. And that kind of encouraged them to
say this. And then we can get straight into the next clip. But
one of the things I noticed about Charlemagne,
he says straight scream.
Um, which is a normal curse in the south. Because like I said,
and we get roasted for it. But nobody says anything to people
from the islands that says, tree for three and that kind of
thing. So but what I'm saying is to be a trained broadcaster, and
you can speak to this more than I can. They would normally work,
excuse me, but normally work that out of your speech to say,
straight Street. But he still says great his screen, which I
think he holds on to as a dog whistle to be real.
code switching, of course, what's not even code switching?
Because he doesn't, no matter how he's when he says he always
says, scrape and scream, right. But I'm saying does He say that
on the radio? Or does he say that in private too? That's my
question. He says, All righty, I don't think that that would be
even weirder. Well, that's what it is. If you're performing in
blackface, then that's what you do you do that on the radio,
maybe not privately. That's I don't know the answer if he's
doing it around. And I saw this crop up in the music of the
mispronunciation of words. Uh,
on purpose, I would say cuz and I say I say this one, I think
plies Jamie Foxx called out plies for this, which prizes a
popular rapper from that era of the trap when the trap music
first cropped up. He thought he was gonna meet and he you know,
he has a real heavy Southern accent when he's in an acting.
So when Jamie Foxx said when he went to go meet him, he expected
him to speak the same way. He's like, Hi, how are you doing?
So it's different. I have a southern accent and I don't want
to get rid of it because that's just who I am.
And I also
Speak somewhat different in conversation, because I want for
clarity purposes. I don't want people to not understand what
I'm saying. But I don't go out of my way to change the way I
speak. So I'm just saying that I noticed that there's this thing
of dumbing down that came in with trap music. And I'm all in
on that point. Now we don't have maybe two shoes today. He can't
get away with it. Nobody, nobody would put out there. But we do
have black people to get on the radio every day in Why don't
companies Why don't stations with white owned sponsors that
play the role of hyper sexualized, hyper criminalized
male? I asked these advertisers say I've gotten hundreds of
songs a day that celebrate killing animals, will you put
them on your station visit? No, I got hundreds of songs a day to
talk about assaulting women and and abusing kids. Would you put
them on your station? They said no. I said I got hundreds of
songs a day to talk about murdering blacks. Would you put
them on your stations? They said Well, that depends.
Depends on what who is done by and who it's branded for.
Because we can get black folks to sing about it. We can brand
it for our youngest black audiences. I think there's money
to be made. I think there's American appetites to see these
people that way.
Yeah, that's that's a money clip right there. So I'm gonna make
one point. Just one small point. We saw this not waiting for
money sake, but for voters site with booty to the poll. Yes.
So I'll, I'll just leave that. If you ever seen it, go, look,
go listen to our thinking about last show. But go or maybe it
was 53, I believe. But go look at booty to the pole. They used
that mentality or tried to communicate cake to black men on
that level of depravity. Which if you're a sex worker, that's
mean more power to you. I don't knock say Episode Two. Yeah, so
it's 52. So with that with that podcast and 2.0 at work there,
sir. No, no, that's Adam Curry, who's just has a has a
photographic memory of clips. Okay. But it's like 2.0 is
coming. Yeah, no, it's coming. It's coming. But you can use it
for that function, when it's up and running. So I guess we'll
just go and wrap up with white Mike. I said, How can you say
that? They said, Well, look, it's what these artists know.
It's what they black people create. It's Matter of fact, our
survey say it's what they want to hear, which makes up a
sickness. How do we live in a society where somebody says, You
know what, I'm inspired to write a song that celebrates murdering
another person. And then a person says, I'd like to put
that on my station, other person, I'd like to pay for it.
And then there's people out here in the audience that go, I'd
love to hear it. As long as it's black guys, because even white
people buy rap music, buy this type of stuff. Because we know
that when we want to hear about killing each other, we know who
to turn to, for that type of inspiration. We call it our
music. We say we own it. White people buy more rap and black
people. Yeah, but we're very careful to turn it down at the
stoplight when other black people are there. Why? Because
we know we're just pretending for them. It's more authentic
and real. I always ask the companies What about your name?
What about your brand? What about your value? And the
largest radio company in the world said this, it's okay. That
we only have drug dealers on our black youth stations. We only
have murders on our black stations. We support black
charities we give out water at the Martin Luther King parade. I
think we've got it covered. We bought them off. And it is it is
really black radio, isn't it? Yes. And it's all radio to be to
be honest, but it's really radio it's not Music Television is not
it's it's radio radio is so important. And and the reason I
say three three Yes. And the reason I say this is because if
there's one industry that I personally have helped kill and
bring down and is the radio industry because of podcasting.
And so for them to to hold on to anything that works they will
promote the shit out of it for as long as they can to keep that
going as long as they can. Because the culture is radio
listening and they just tuning into their audience that's sadly
that's also capitalism. And to go back to what I was speaking
about about writing was before you could afford a CD deck in
your car before ot cords and blue suit connection Yeah, the
radio Sure there you had the radio and the radio is really a
monopoly because they said play the same seven songs all the
stations mean over every hour on our Yes. So.
And I want to make one last point. When you said about white
rappers. We saw post malone came out of the trap. Right?
But when he made it to top 40 star, his musical content
change. Yeah. Now what's about maybe clubbing love, fall in
love that kind of thing. He didn't rap about Draco's and
choppers and all the things that uh that he went he made his way
up through the trap. So they don't that was that is not
accepted. That is not accepted to have even m&m the same thing.
Right. He was. He was rapping about like Munchausen syndrome
and in his hate for his mother so that you don't really have a
industry push. Why artists that are you know rapping about
killing people.
In May well killing
in the way that black black artists are right, so I say all
this I set all that up to say,
to point out this special guests that showed up to the verses to
stop by to deliver a special message. Yes, real quick. Thanks
for coming to verses, we got a special color for you guys right
now coming on. Hi, this is Stacey Abrams.
How you doing?
Thank you for letting me crash before what I know is the battle
to end all battles of versus to end up versus so thank you for
giving me some street cred with my nieces and nephews. That's
right.
Okay, you wipe my rabbit clean.
Look, that's the job that the governor could do. But you know,
we'll have to think about that later. But for right now we can
at least make sure that everyone shows up to vote. So we have two
senators to make sure we have COVID response and we've got
stimulus money coming back to Georgia. They're right. That's
right. We got baby, let's get a ga you know, we go stand up for
you. Thank you. Well, I just wanted to say thank you to both
of you, especially for the work you've done to encourage
folks who are coming back returning citizens, they have
the right to vote, I've got a younger brother who's been in
and out of the system. And I know redemption is real. And I
know that the voices that these men and women can bring to our
state matter and so thank you for the work you've done. No
question. Laura Stacy. Oh, boy. Well, that's that ruins the
event. When I saw that, yeah, it got to be a show. Yeah, you
gotta be a show what was going on right now? Do you think Stacy
talks like that all the time?
Maybe I wonder maybe I'm not sure. I can't I can't call that
could not be I mean, I'm more street than she is. I mean,
she's Council on Foreign Relations. This is crazy. Oh no,
she's that that's the that's the real guys. Right? That's the
real calling and just to say good works on her way to go by
Kikuyu that keep them keep them keep moving.
No, but that when I saw that I was like and then Gucci man.
Hey, can you get my record clean? Yes. Because I don't
think he was in on it. Uh, he wasn't read into what was going
on? No, cuz and but I want to point out another thing.
Notice how they refer to her. Gucci Mane says Miss Stacy, as
more like a formal thing. She's he says, Hey Stacy, right?
That's a little too familiar for me. Mm
hmm. Good catch.
These are the kind of things I'm like, oh, Cassie, where this is
going. And it was Jeezy that was the one that was invited to be
at vs and then he picked Gucci Mane to be his co star right.
But when I saw that I was like all captive audience to me and
people beauty shoot comes right in. Don't forget to vote now.
Let me know about your record going to incarnate about
cleaning that up. But
yeah, go vote now. Maybe we'll see another time.
Man, amazing. So and so this thing. I was like, Okay, this
thing was so widespread that eaters showed up on the um, I
forget her name. A lady on Sirius radio. Oh, Karen Hunter
Hunter, Karen Hunter. He shows up. She covered it on her show
Gucci man Gz.
And
is weird seeing you in the vs with Jeezy and gucci mane of the
night? I just I just want to just yeah.
I was like, that's the car in the exact Stacey Abrams popping
into it to a strip club.
She popped.
What does that say about our culture that could be a sitting
governor could be a sitting president could pop into a Gucci
Mane versus a Gz. very tense. And what most tense versus is is
what what brought you to the table?
The only thing that would bring me to take would be the young
people. Chair. That's not the car, the young people. That's
all they were that the young voters. Let me say it for him.
That's their only concern. How can we manipulate these voters
to make it seem like we're there for them?
Yeah. And now I'm going to go out on a limb here like this,
and this is what I do.
Ti is done.
You know, the Democratic Party was trying to use him right. But
he has so much stuff going on and he had made so many
missteps, that they need a new
track representative for the Democratic Party
and steps Jesus
He's the new representative. And that's why they were grooming
him. You remember that picture with him and Joe Biden when Joe
Baez?
Yeah. What was the response to that? Did people say what the
hell or was that? Oh, they said what the hell but it wasn't
amplified, though. As if, when little Wayne went to go talk to
Trump because he's talking to a Democrat. That's completely
acceptable.
Even though you know,
okay, I won't spoil it. But yeah, so, uh, so you have this
you have Gz and I feel like they're, they're there. He's now
going by. I think it's a J. Jenkins, J Gz. Jenkins he's
going to his kids going to do is Todd Smith face the same thing
LL Cool J went through so when you start getting called by your
government name, that's you're distancing yourself from your a
celebrity.
Or how you came into the, to the to the game. So yeah, that's
what they're all about is the votes. And that's why me so
much.
So much for so much for this Oh, organic spur of the moment,
things seems pretty, pretty premeditated, to some degree.
very abrupt. Very premeditated. So now we have post Jeezy posted
verses and he goes on I think is
hot 97. That's what Ebro when Rosenberg, the guy that just is
irks me. So he's talking to them about?
versus, can I want to, I want to ask you about something that
made me feel really good a few weeks ago, can you tell us about
my favorite picture of the of the last month or two? Was you
in conversation with Joe Biden? Can you tell us about your
conversations with Joe Biden and then how you and your family
took in the election as well.
The conversation with Joe Biden was
you know, I was I was owning, I was excellent, because I want to
see if he really understood
his position. He was honest, um, what I did,
you know, I kind of really appreciate the fact that Kamala
Harris is, you know, almost like his work wife, because I feel
like close to the culture to actually understand the thing
about is everybody like, how can you support them the drug laws
and dessert and what they did and people and I'm just like,
Yo, man, I'm not saying it's the end all be all. And I never said
that. I'm more. And I'm going to ask you a question. Now, Paul,
I'm I'm more I'm You mean, Peter? Getting one? So you
worked at Def Jam full on
my Rosenberg's? Yeah.
But I'm Rosenberg's? Yep. I'm more happy to see my coaches see
that. Every little bit counted. And then we made a difference
together. Like we got out here and got people to vote in
Georgia changed to blue. And I was just happy to see it because
it was so many people. I was like, yo, we got to vote we got
to vote is like my vote on count. Why would I waste my
time? And just to see that, you know, it made me feel good. And
then back to the Joe Biden thing. I was really just acting
real courses. And I want my people to know like, sometimes
you really just got to be at the table. Oh, man. Okay, meme after
meme in this one. First.
Rosenberg All right, nice, smelly, anti semitic reference.
But also who, who posed the question.
Was Rosenberg was Rosenberg correct? Yeah. Then
he talked about his coaches.
So that was interesting. So whoever said coaches he wanted
to show the coaches what he could do. He thought he said the
culture I thought he said coaches Oh, the closure. Now he
said that culture now then. Culture now? Oh, yes. Well, of
course he does.
He and Stacy
represented
and Camila Jo's work wife. Oh, man. Yeah. He really had amazed
that. I mean, it's that's not acceptable. What he said, no
one. No one buys that crap.
Not at all. And the other thing is, he says that he had a lot of
questions for Joe in the sea of giocare. And he kind of poopoo
this and he didn't
you know, those
black man, innocent black man, you know, you know, not like
that. But I had real question for Joe like, Am I black? Vote
for you? Yeah, he went mad. He went up there. She showed us
culture card and said this is who I am. You know me I
represent the culture. Let me just check. check you out, man.
So it was kind of an approval. And then the last talking point
was we need to be at the table table. Yeah. Oh, that was good.
The table. So that leads me into the bob Wilson clip that you
snagged and shared with me.
These, these leaders, first of all, you cannot generalize about
the black community any more any other people, we are not
monolithic. We have a difference in education difference in
income. And when it's convenient, we generalize the
black community. And we use the demographics of those who are
living in the most troubling situations, we use the
demographics of, of incarceration, of low income,
housing, we use that demographic information to make a case that
All Blacks are suffering. And then when the money arise, it
goes not to the people suffering the problem. But those who are
providing service. For instance, in the last 50 years, the
government's had $22 trillion in programs to aid the poor 70
cents of all those dollar go not to the poor, but those who serve
poor people, they asked not which problems are solvable,
which ones are fundable. Then you have black elected
officials, many of them are veterans of the civil rights
movement, who then came into political office, they were the
ones who were dispensing those funds. And listen to this, two
out of 10 whites who, with college degrees works for
government, six out of 10 blacks, with college education
works for government, which means that the vast amount of
money that has been spent on the poor that has produced and
reinforced dependency have been administered by a lot of middle
class blacks.
That's your systemic racism right there. And can you point
out something speaking of synchronicity, look at the title
of that clip.
Yeah.
at Atlanta leaders, abuse of demographics hidden. Atlanta
leaders, holy crap.
I wanted to identify something that I'm sure is just from, from
my perspective, the term culture, I'm seeing it pop up in
advertising. It meant meant as the code I mean, I know, I know,
like, Oh, hello, I'm just seeing it. But I've noticed it the
past, I don't know, past month or so I've just seen this term
culture pop up in advertising.
Yeah, do it for the culture. stuff. Like that's, that's,
that's the quotable, that's the hip hop quotable. from Jay Z.
I did it for the culture. I mean, like I said, these things
when, when these quotables Take Take care, they're powerful.
They go for generations. So So we have, so that's what Jesus
has fallen into. He's falling into that group, just by
perspective of he's gonna say that they tried to use ti for
this. And like I said, ti has so many other things going on. That
ruin that kind of ruin his chances of being that
hip hop political leader. So now I think they're grooming Jeezy.
And excuse me, Jay Jenkins, let me let me get it. Right. Right.
Yeah. And he's married to a Asian lady from the view, which
I think was a power move planet. Lady from that view, but the
real the real
is gonna say okay, ah, power couple. Yeah, so they've tried
to make a political power couple, I believe. Um, so just
just keep on so now he's got a follow up. gz. So I mean,
I saw and then and just icing on the cake. He came out with a
diss song right after this, this thing. Little Wayne and 50
cents. Oh, but Trump goes yeah, Gee, I wonder I wonder why.
So, how sick, sick is that? I didn't realize that.
That's just nuts. Yeah, none of this is by happenstance. Oh, no,
no, it's not. Now you understand why I laid out the trap and the
trap. Yeah, it wasn't about the verses. It's about the two
trajectories that these stars these celebrities own. So now
that's where Jeezy is headed, in my opinion. And now this is
Gucci man. And he is a this is a conversation he had with
Charlemagne about his transformation. Yeah, I was
telling you, man, when I read your story, it's like the
evolution of Malcolm X and a lot of ways you did it all. But you
must mean
I went out. Well, you know, I can't say I'm as disciplined as
Malcolm X. But I do I read that book does one of my favorite
autobiographies and it definitely inspired me because I
read when I was in prison and I damn from you sound like he
couldn't really really good he opened up the dictionary to a
and just start reading it in our stuff. He was going through in
prison and you know to do he had and now like, given them gang. A
lot of things he went through. I feel like you know, I share some
Those experiences don't just walk in prison that made you
start picking up just books and reading them. I think it started
with, like, fear, anxiety, paranoia from like,
you know how much time off in the game. So out of run into
reading out, I was kind of like a mouth trying to find some
solace in, you know, this shows a lot of pressure on me is like,
I run up and down the stairs, I read a book, I try and do
anything to get my mind off from, you know, feeling like I
know the future because the future seemed like it was going
to be bad, you know. So I just kind of like focus on what I
could do now. They'll kind of give me a little piece thing
feel about it. And now you feel like I have a set of rules I had
to live by. If you do this to me, I do this to you. If you say
this to me, I do. So as always, I'm justified. You snitch on me,
I push to hurt you. You steal some from me, I'm supposed to
come to your house. And you hit me up with teach you but you
know. And then it gets to the point where you start like,
well, she, I'm already into it, which I will going I'll finish
while I'm waiting for you to hit me for so it is just a terrible
place to be. A lot of that is great rules, though. Yeah, don't
say this, that I had a set of rules like that I like follow to
the tee. But I made myself follow these rules. I nobody say
this, what you got to do these what I feel like this house is
the person I want to be this what I want to be held to the
standard. I'm going to start at the end and work my way back.
When he went to jail for the last time he made a total
transformation. Physically. I mean, when he went in, I think
he was saying he was like 85 pounds overweight, addicted to
lean. Oh,
yeah, no, no, no, he was addicted. I'm listening. Yeah,
he was addicted to lean and unhealthy mentally. And he
changed himself. And he blamed nobody for he was like, I was
like this, I live these rules and the rules he laid out the
street rules is that mine trap. And he explained,
I felt if you did this to me, I need to do this to you. Right?
To practice about it, you know, preemptive strikes. So
but when he went in, he transfer on did this transformation
similar to what Malcolm X did. And I'm not saying he's the next
Malcolm, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, you
look at these two men,
and the path they're taking Warren is saying, uh, you know,
going through the politics, which Jesus laid out the point,
he's always been corporate minded, being part of the
structure the apparatus, and you have this guy, Gucci man was
independent, this kind of thing. And then he goes in, and he does
his complete 180. To the point where he comes out and shape on
top of his business, I mean, complete, utter change. And it
was, he changed himself.
And if I had to choose a path for so called black man, it's
changed yourself. I'm going with the Gucci Gucci man message of
don't wait for somebody to change you change yourself, um,
be reflected on what things that don't work for you. And that's
why that's why I'm just, I wanted to lay that out. So you
probably wondering why somebody like Stacey Abrams, and a Dr.
Carr and Karen Hunter, and all these people are, are
wanting the influence of these celebrities? Well, not only
they're not celebrities, they're street celebrities. I have the
answer for you. Okay, you want to say something before we ask
any questions before we go? I know I said a lot with Well,
I mean, why? And that was kind of obvious. They they want to, I
mean,
what I heard Stacy saying was Indiana encouraged you to vote.
So you'd think that but I have a feeling it's bigger, maybe
deeper. It is deeper 29. I knew that the great lack of most of
the big name Negro leaders was their lack of any true rapport
with the ghetto negros. How could they have rapport when
they spend most of their time integrating with white people? I
knew that the ghetto people knew that I never left the ghetto in
spirit, and I never lived it physically any more than I had
to.
I had a ghetto instinct. For instance, I could feel the
tension was beyond normal in the ghetto audience, and I could
speak and understand the ghettos language. There was an example
of this that always flew into my mind every time I heard some of
the big name Negro leaders declaring they spoke for the
ghetto black people. After a Harlem street rally one of these
downtown leaders and our ghetto hustler is forever frustrated,
restless and anxious for some action to talk over the ABC, CBS
or NBC microphones at Harvard or Tuskegee, I could talk with the
so called middle class name
grew up with the ghetto blacks from all the other leaders just
talked about. And because I had been a hustler, I knew better
than all whites knew. And better than nearly all the black
leaders knew that actually the most dangerous black man in
America was the ghetto hustler.
Why do I say this?
The hustler out there in the ghetto jungles has less respect
for the white power structure than any other Negro in North
America. The ghetto hustler is internally restrained by
nothing. He has no religion, no concept of morality, no civic
responsibility, no fear, nothing. So this is why they're
clamoring for the support of street celebrities, right?
Because if they ever can change their mind, like malcolm x, d,
you got it, you got to remember Malcolm X wasn't Malcolm X, but
for a very small portion of his life. In that small town, the
potency is kind of a control thing. When they have to control
the minds of the street people, because they realize
that they can change their mind, then they come off the
plantation. Right? So okay, so. So it sounds like there's not
necessarily good things in store for gucci mane. If he pushes the
envelope too far, I don't like to put that kind of negativity
out there.
But if you start changing people's mind too fast, you've
seen it happen over the course of this show, you see what
happens? Exactly.
Are you? Yeah, they come, they come for your, um,
your image first. And if they can't get your image, and that's
the thing they could that's the problem with Malcolm X, because
all his stuff was out there. All his previous life was out there.
Oh, if you want to juxtapose that, to, like, Martin Luther
King, right, his image could be damaged by whatever secrets he
had or supposedly had.
Then it goes to, you know, it's like the silver or the lead kind
of thing. First day BRAVIA with silver and if they can't change
your mind and a little Labs is the option.
But I don't want to put that out there. But I just want to show
you what is this is why
the inner city,
black man,
or the
want to say interceding I want to say something. It's something
about a person that says, you know, what, I know the risk of
doing a said activity. But I am going to take my own life in my
own hands because I can't live in squalor. Sure, and I can't
live in poverty. So now, like you said, if you could take that
same mentality, and weaponize it with actual knowledge, it's very
dangerous. That's why right now Malcolm X is way more potent. He
wasn't reading Martin Luther King, notice no naka, Martin
Luther King, but he wasn't reading Martin Luther King when
he went to prison, right.
It's because Malcolm X spoke the street lingo. And he spoke to
the street people, and he never lost that connection. And I
think Jesus man has the same potential. Because the young
kids love him, he still had the career to this day.
The young people love him.
Because he never he that tether is there, you know, he never
severed that tether.
And I know it's a lot to take in. But no, I'm following along.
I'm just wondering if we're gonna get a MLK versus Malcolm X
type split here. I don't know if that's in the cards.
I don't think it's in the cards, but I'm thinking these are
representations of these are. I don't know if icons, the right
word, but these are representation of the two kind
of black men that exists now. Right. And so clearly, the one
who goes reforms himself comes out with a different attitude,
different message, no longer mine trapped. Tis a problem for
Stacey Abrams.
He's a problem for a lot of people because you're talking
about ruining the bottom. Yeah, we're not just talking about the
voting habits of people. We're talking about ruining the
bottom, which if you destroyed a foundation of a home, right.
And I know it's a lot, but I guess we can go back a minute.
This is the reading from Malcolm X's. I didn't say that before.
This is the reading from The Autobiography of Malcolm X. I
guess we by Joe Morton, misplaced respect his name, and
let's get into 4.2. To survive. He is out there constantly
preying upon others probing for any human weaknesses like a
ferret. The ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless and
anxious for some action. Whatever he undertakes, he
commits himself to it fully apps
lewdly
what makes the ghetto hustler yet more dangerous is his
glamour image to the school dropout youth in the ghetto.
These ghetto teenagers see the hell caught by their parents
struggling to get some way or see that they have given up
struggling in the prejudiced intolerant white man's world.
The ghetto teenagers make up their own minds that they would
rather be like the hustler, who they see dressed sharp and
flashing money and display and no respect for anybody or
anything. So the ghetto youth become attracted to the hustler
worlds of dope, thievery prostitution in general crime
and immorality. Yeah, this guy Malcolm was perfect. And I'm not
talking about on the divine sense. But his understanding of
the social dynamic
to be on,
formally educated. And that's, that is so many and that's why I
don't buy it. I gotta say some because it's what irks me,
is this thing floating around this meme of Pookie and Ray Ray.
And what that is, is like,
you would consider like a Gucci man and Jeezy and these guys is
Pookie and Ray Ray's right. They're no good. They have no
value to society. Right? But bro, the only reason I'm sitting
here 40 years old. And the you know, the the biggest success I
have is my father.
Is the the P undergird me with a
confidence. We also didn't enter safety, a sense of safety, you
didn't need to go out and find that male energy.
And so that's what we're saying. That's why I play the game clips
in the small town Pep, because if you don't have that energy
inside the home, you'll get it out. So it's like this guy has
the money. And he beat the system. And you know, like,
here's, here's the everybody thinks that
all these rappers are gangsters and they're this and they're
that to those kids. They're Robinhood. Because that's what
they're selling. I'm not saying they're actually are. But that's
what they're selling to the kids. That were Robin Hood Robin
from the rich and given to the poor, which that's not the case,
because all the resources you're taking.
Have this.
Right. But in the mind chap. Yep. is he's beating the man.
He's beating white supremacy.
You know, because he's, this is why they're celebrating because
he's getting paid. Therefore he's beating the system. He's
going around it. Yeah.
And like I said before, about, as the guy I was talking about,
that I had close proximity to when you're buying all the food,
and you're a kid, you know, saying, Here's just a couple
$100 for some gym shoes, or let me sponsor this, this basketball
team. It's not all bad.
I keep saying before El Chapo was celebrated in his community,
no matter how much harm and murder he brought to Mexico, and
his community, he was celebrated. Because he took care
of them. But at a larger level. That's the same in politics,
it's the same people are celebrated because they've done
such great things. And they can be incredible gangsters and
crooks under under the hood. Many are.
But if you're secure in the bag, for your, for your the people
that support you. It's like screw the other side. That's why
politics is very
similar to street culture and gang culture. Because this is
about what can I do for the people that support me?
I mean, I know I went a little farther, but I wanted this
Pookie and right. It's a lot of redeemable people, and all walks
of life. And then there's other people that we think have made
it that need to be caught out. Because if you're trying to use
your celebrity, just to subjugate people further. That's
why I don't have a problem with anybody I bring up on the show
personally. But if that's what you're trying to do, and not
have people be self reliant, and
therefore your enemy, your enemy of the state is not enemy of the
culture.
Right? It's not for the not for the culture, your for your
benefit. And as Bob Woodson laid out, so I guess we can also to
fulfill his own mind trap. You're in, you're in that trap,
you're in a loop, you got to keep going. The trap is on both
sides.
And I'm glad you grabbed my opener home. If you see yourself
as Robin Hood. It's like oh yeah, let me go secure this for
the people and bring it back to them. by them voting. We can get
some government programs and things of that nature. If you
become self reliant.
And form your own community and work inside your own community,
we can have much more. And if we realize our power voting and
spending and even with this, what were the biggest things I
celebrate Gucci for his his physical transformation, because
this is what really as black people, at the end of the day,
one of the biggest problems is our health is what we consume.
And you see it play out with COVID. And we mentioned that
before so even the changing of the physical kiss changing of
his mind has reflected in his changing of his physical
appearance now is this Now I'm not saying like I said, I'm not
celebrating him as a malcolmus. I'm not doing that. But all I'm
saying is progress is progress. Now he says recognized besides
you, obviously. But people say Damn, he got his shit together.
This is good. This is looking good. He's this and do people
see it as a release valve a way out? It's a possibility. Is that
recognized?
Yeah. Ever Charlemagne had to give him credit. Right? Wow, you
really turn it around, and he beat the mind trap. And then my
trap being I have?
No, I'll go long winter's day. But we have to understand this.
The rules and what we call a street is really penitentiary
rules. You look at you lock people up, they turn into
animals. And it's, you look to me the wrong way. And when you
have people fresh out of being institutionalized, and bring
that mentality back to the hood, it's like you looked at me the
wrong way. I got it. I got to do something about that right now.
And I'm not saying it's like I said, this is not something I've
heard or read in a book. people when they come home from jail,
they until they get acclimated back into this society. They
have a whole different
Tom they move on. Yeah, well, that's a whole different
mentality as as a country, but it's the same in every country,
we're very poor at at, at helping people get back into
quote, unquote, civilian life, whether you're coming from the
military, or whether you're coming from the penitentiary, it
doesn't matter. Neither. Neither one. I mean, I, I know friends
who've been to penitentiary and the the process is, and this is
a white guy for white collar crime. And in this is, you know,
good friend of mine, because he's been out for three years,
this still can't get his life really back together. And the
military is another great example, because you're
operating on a different
wavelength when you're in life or death situations correct. And
being institutionalized and being a military. Well, when I
say, pot situations during the military, you don't have time to
make, I mean, I'm just being, you know, with family members
that were in wars, when they first come home, you can't
approach them in a certain way. You can't just starve them in a
certain way. So
long winded on that we can go ahead and jump to 32. It scared
me the first time I really saw the danger of these ghetto
teenagers if they are ever sparked into violence. One
sweltering summer afternoon, I attended a home street rally
which contained a lot of these teenagers in the crowd. I had
been invited by some responsible Negro leaders who normally never
spoke to me. I knew they had just used my name to help them
draw a crowd. The more I thought about it on the way there, the
hotter I got. And when I got on the stand, I just told the crowd
in the street that I wasn't really wanted up there that my
name had been used, and I walked off the speakers stand. Well,
what did I want to do that for? Those young teenage negros got
upset and started milling around and yell and upset and the old
Negroes in the crowd. The first thing you know, traffic was
blocked in four directions by a crowd whose mood quickly grew so
ugly, that I really got apprehensive. I got on top of a
car and began waving my arms and yelling at them to quiet down.
They did quiet. And then I asked them to disperse. And they did.
This was when it began being said that I was America's only
Negro, who could stop a race riot cold or start one.
I don't know if I can do either one. But I know one thing. It
had taught me in a very few minutes to have a whole lot of
respect for the human combustion that is packed among the
hustlers and young admirers who live in the ghettos with a
northern white man has sealed off the Negro away from whites
for 100 years. Wow, that's cool. I've not read this
autobiography, but that moment of Holy crap, I can do either
one. I can stop a race right or I can start one when you when
you realize that yourself. Wow. Big power has big power. Yeah,
power. And we've seen this start with cold call the third way
weaponized in this country. So and
Just off of
just off of monetary, I believe of with the riots and
everything. You know, like the first wave is the protesters and
activists. second wave is the provocative agent provocateur is
and then the third wave, if you could actually control that
third wave
control right now it's just a force, right? But if somebody
actually channel and control that's a scary thought. That's a
scary thought for a lot of people. Well, it depends if you
can control the the wave to do something more positive. That
would be great. It's still scary for a lot of people because they
want
the mayhem. Yeah, we can't have that. And now you see the
problem with Malcolm X. It's like, Yeah, that's great. You
can do it. But if we can't control you and tell you which
way you got to do it, and you're no good to us.
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You've got to be careful how you show your weakness as a black
man. So I am presuming This means certain weaknesses are
unacceptable to the culture frowned upon, why are you not
allowed to show emotion? What's the problem?
Forget the phony emotion, then obviously, it isn't
caught yet there's a term called being food.
And
if you
appear to be weak, or easily
pushed over, that can be taken advantage of Now I'm not saying
that's the right it's kind of like that mind trap thing that
Gucci man referring to these rules
is heartbreak in your mind. Uh,
so I'm still struggling with with myself is just that. Well,
just a question. Do you think this is different in any other
culture? Or any other? I don't know.
I can't speak for I mean, comment. This is just my eye
because I think it's the same. From our perspective. Yeah.
I think in in need, this may be the difference. If you're doing
that on television.
I don't think it matters, who you are, or what what your
background is, it will be viewed in a certain way, depending on
the topic.
And I think people when you cry on television, it's a very
specific thing. It's something that we used to be only seen on
the barbara walters year and special.
So in some ways, it's heralded as oh my gosh, look, he is he's
sensitive. And I think that's what happened with Van Jones in
general.
To the general population who watched CNN, I think that was
seen as a very courageous courageous thing. Whereas me,
you everyone else looks at and go what a bunch of crap. Or what
are you really crying for van? I'm just saying I don't know if
that's it.
It's no different than white or black culture to be seen. I
guess I don't. I don't know. But it's it's more not like I said
crying is
fear.
I'm
overly compassionate.
These things can be used against you or it's my perception as a
black man with pips. Well, okay, it can be used against you as a
weakness. So may I suggest as a white man, that you open your
mind because if controlled effectively, showing these
emotions can be a very powerful tool.
I'm just saying it's that sounds like mine trap to me when you
say was the black man if you cry, that's bad news. Well,
maybe that's mine trap, too. It is. Okay. But But
my anger?
Let's just take crying out the table. Let's look at anger.
Okay, much better. I agree. Yeah.
I made this statement A while back on a show. I can't remember
what it was about angry black there. He, yeah, even the
appearance of being angry. And I have people to this day. If I'm
thinking I scowl. And they'll say anything I
was everybody keeps asking me.
But my wife calls it I got knots in my head. Right? Because I
mean, like when I was just saying, like, you're thinking
yeah, I'm processing. My hourglass is turning here. So
um, but to other people, the appearance is
Oh, he might snap. No, at the moment, he might blow. And I
think as a black man, since we're hyper, hyper masculine.
alized a same different when we cry. Because, ah, I'm not saying
it's right or wrong. I'm just giving a right now. Again,
analysis of Yeah, so we're talking about this is a good
good luck. Give me a kick in the door, please. Yeah, hold on a
second.
Okay, justice. All right. Yeah. Um,
when it comes to anger to emotions in general, but when it
comes to anger, I would just say that there's more and more
examples these days with lockdowns and other things where
we see angry black men on YouTube or Twitter. And they're
saying stuff. And the angry part works very effectively. And it's
not seen as scary. There's a I'm just talking from a white man's
perspective. It's like, oh, wow, someone's really pissed off. And
they're making a lot of sense. And and you know, it's very
attention grabbing, it's a little different than what
you're talking about. Because I can see where that's the thing,
oh, man, he's like, that guy's like, he's ready to pop off. But
when when, when real anger frustration is showed.
I think it's very effective these days, it may be something
of only just the past a little bit. Whereas you get an angry
white man yelling on YouTube. It's like at what a fool. You
understand what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying.
But let me counter that with this. This is why brock obama
couldn't pop off.
Yes, yeah. He could never pull what Trump. Now he did cry. Now
he did it. But that's acceptable because of his demographic that
he was trying to reach. So that's acceptable. But to say
you're talking to the president here, don't ever talk to the
President. Like if he did that? Oh, hell no. But I mean, so I
was like, we can have conversations.
Well, well, I'm glad. I'm glad we're talking about this,
because I'm gonna pay a little more attention to it and how I
feel about it, because I think I think that while I know from
this show, my attitude has changed. Like, we've talked
about this before. We're actually saw a very angry, angry
black man on the street who was yelling at me. And I had the
incredible sensation of calm. I'm like, bro,
get on the sidewalk. I was not scared or anything. And that's
it. Maybe that's interracial.
But say maybe it's to black men.
And I'll say this. I have a close friend.
He had an incident where he hit a door with his door.
And they do was like,
what's up?
And if we became that way, what's up? Those two words.
So what you saying, man? I mean, that's how it goes. What's up?
So what you saying then? And it could devolve into something
different. So we just have to be, not have to be let me stop
saying that. It's the perception that we have to move on a
different time.
Okay, good. So it's all mine trap. Then we get into my trap.
I totally 100% increase in my trap. Alright, should not get
stuffy in here. So let me Oh, yeah, please, please.
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almost missed a valid point I wanted to make so I'm glad we
had that conversation we did okay. There was one song missing
from his verses
that I'm surprised that didn't get played on Jesus part and
that's my president is black he didn't play it
wish that was the song he made for brock obama when he got
elected. Right right right but he chose not to play it which
was a glaring
mission for me. Like is blocked Barack Obama that toxic
Well, he didn't want to play it or he didn't want to seem like a
democratic operative by playing it but it was one of his biggest
hits. So it not to be played and you got me you have your top 20
songs well maybe i don't know i think that you know considering
who is who he's in bed with figuratively. The last thing the
last thing we want is anyone thinking about Obama like now we
got to move forward towards Joe
but now you know you want to conjure up those feelings of
Joe's got you think you think that's good? You think that they
want to conjure up Obama? I mean, isn't he toxic at this
point for the culture? That's my point. Yeah. Is he so toxic? I
think so. Because that was the whole thing that Joe is a
racist? No But Joe is a rock revisiting are coming back to
the old Obama third term. Right well i don't think anyone's
playing that song. I found that as I'm glad that we stopped and
had a comment to that spot that thought coming I had it and I
made a note of that about myself My feeling is that my feeling is
that Obama is considered toxic by the culture or for the for
the New Democrat Party. That's I think that's true. I believe
that was my thing. I think with maybe Dooley the two points I
laid out one that he is toxic into that will be in a way that
would have been a red flag to a lot of people I Oh yeah, well
you know what's going on? Yeah, I agree. I
I saw promise to share with you the origin of making it rain guy
so let's get into 34 man 3.1 point three that type of shit
but I'm still on the same mission I was on when I met
Mitch you know what I'm saying?
whose main
part one a program stop you ain't never heard of big meat I
may have for any you travel around everywhere and learn
about different things all over the world for this I learned
about us by asking
was big meats is big meat smell know how to explain that nobody
ever asked me that question. That's crazy. Nobody ever asked
me that. I don't know how to answer it. Got our own house we
got our own cars we got almost got our own clothes. You know
and we can't be stuck I don't see nobody style seen on the car
after season. No nobody I never do this again. It's just many
niggas and as much money can't get along. Big Meech and hurt.
Now. So big Meech is the leader of the black mafia family. Okay,
which they had. Jeezy was affiliated with them a part of
them. It's very unclear what the relationship was. Some people
say that they took him in as far as you know, he was like the
music. arm of BMF but he was definitely affiliated with
Boom and black mafia family was covered his kid they were the
shit. I mean like, see, I mean they okay this how much money
they had they were by winning lottery tickets to launder their
money
on the hope that one of them paid a huff know if somebody won
yeah oh god yeah so if you are a winner they will look your meal
will give you 1.2 give us the ticket. Oh okay okay wow that's
big they had it they had a
book billboard downtown Atlanta saying the world is ours
This is a lot to do was a he was a member of black mafia family.
You never heard of big Meech like I mean that was offensive
I mean these are the guys that created or it's the legend goals
that they created making it rain because they were go in and just
make it right just tsunami cash to the point where you can't see
the floor cash that will pull up two or three tour buses back to
back and I'm not saying 27 year old me that was like wow like
that that is hot you know i mean like that
knowing the implications of drugs and everything in that
community I get that but it's this is the this is the mind
screw that you go through have seen people create it as legends
but then what they can't legendary for
right but the those were those guys yeah BMF adult Rick Ross
got a song called beat Meech.
He was saying like, I mean, what I mean by that is to have a song
title out there. Like the hook goes on big Meech, I'm like I'm
like Larry Hoover. Yeah, you're so legendary. Legendary. So
Jeezy we have a clip or him speaking about him in big Meech
relationship because it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna pay off in
the end, but let's let's listen to that clip. Was that
relationship like these days with each being gone for?
Like 3040? Yeah. I mean, she still won't go to magic right
now.
My Magic City. I mean, you can't wait, wait, wait, do you can't
kill the spirit man. He's a different type of dude. Man. He
just always been a strong individual man. And I don't
think that the prison is, you know, it is what it is man. But
I just think that he's not letting me kill his spirits,
man. Like he you know, when you talk to him, he's in better
spirits. And you know, he's always calling and talking to
people. And you would think he was home to me. He can't hear it
in his voice. You know, some people, they get in there and
you hear that? You hear breaking them down? He's cool, man. He's
keeping I gave him that. What What do you think? made each,
you know, Drew so many people to meet? What was the cup? Because
he can't my nigga like he really did. Like it like he's genuine
do and I just think, you know, he just always wanted to see
people in a better place. You know, even the conversations
that we had. And I'll be the first to say, when I first you
know, started popping off my music great. Like me, she's one
of my biggest fans. Like he loved it. Like I would do shit
and come from a studio and get in the car him ride smoking.
Listen to that shit. And just true. You know? I mean, like, he
would just be like he said that he loved it.
Wow, it's just reading the Wikipedia man. These guys.
Pretty big organization going on. They trying to Malta state.
We say national
ring. Yeah. Those are the guys that come into your neighborhood
and like a we're setting up franchises. And, but they would
love I mean, it's like, that's why I keep bringing out El Chapo
because to the people they care for. Now, I mean, I can't not
see the mayhem and violence and
destruction that was brought to the neighborhood due to their
actions to how much how much of this is actually mirroring the
glamour of El Chapo or I would say probably still popular
Scarface.
I will probably say more. Pablo Escobar. Oh Escobar Yes. But
also also scarf. I mean, the world is mine. I mean, that was
that was what Scarface put on. Remember, that was his mind. Oh,
Scarface has a huge and we spoke about this. Scarface has a huge
impact on the culture because he's coming from the bottom
starting from nothing. making your way up. And and and making
yourself into a you know, a substantial figure that
resonates on a certain level. So here's here's how it must work
if you're doing this multi step.
Hundreds of millions of dollars
you're recognized by the political establishment you're
recognized by the white criminals in the system and I
think it's probably it's all intertwined and with politics it
cannot be you cannot run curry goggles
alright I can't see crap now all right we're getting there we're
getting there. You and your future travels I'm sorry
so but that that was Gz in 2012 well think sour between him and
big Meech and all that beat Meech speak for himself looks
like we coming out people that know us to tell you like them do
some of the coolest dudes moving across the face of the earth man
you know we come in we got drinks for everybody you know
you come in with a man named a family we all family What if I'm
out with my and trying to show my good time and some just off
brand dude come by and grab my ass and say Yo bitch What up we
go mop the floor with his ass is called respect
because they have always looked oh
boy is not going crazy. Gee, the oh my god from from the Bay. Oh,
john Jeezy from Atlanta. Yeah. Are you talking about Jay
Jenkins Young Jeezy? If that's what you call is a lot of Jesus
man but um, so
like, Is he really like well respected in the streets and
stuff out there? Yeah, yeah. The whole homo community level
playing no games. I don't cuz you know, when the movement
started he's one of the faces of it. Right? And you know, when
everything went down, you know, like he separated I don't know
Look, I mean, whenever you want to clear up you could clear up
I'm gonna tell you like this. I like the man music cuz I always
did. That's why I fuck from Jump Street. I'm not no hater. But if
you want your homeboys is walking through the mall. And in
his three Yo, and then 15 guys come said we found a beach is
and the nigga that run. That was Jeezy he was the nigga that ran
slap?
Yeah. So he when Jeezy got on with fame and you know,
celebrity and
had the huge rec contract and all that losing credibility is
not a loser know what he did? No, no, no, no black mafia
family that not not lose credibility, he lose. But I'll
say this as a matter of self preservation, the kind of
numbers that we're facing.
I'm not, I'm not I'm just kind of person. If I'm in it, I'm in
it. And if I'm not in it, I'm not in it. That's why I can
never participate in these kind of groups, or any group, because
I am for myself, and not in a selfish way. But I can't put
taking the fall, even if I have nothing to do with it. You know,
for somebody else, I can never do that. You know, I mean, I'm
just being honest with you.
And I think out of self preservation, and I've made it
I've got where I need to go. You screaming BMF on every record,
but then when they ask you Do you know anything about BMF?
Nah, no, no. BMF Oh, no, it's talking about and I think to a
guy like big Meech, who's really in it. I mean, like, lit blood,
like say blood in blood out. A
you don't you can't get out. You know, you have to we got to stay
in. But I mentioned this before with a Flynn.
The same thing. It's the same mentality. If you ride with
Trump. You catch case you don't rat. No metaphor still sitting
up. He didn't read.
General Flynn, he didn't read. Right. But the Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen.
Yeah, that's a good. That's a good analogy. So that's why it's
like it's not about you know, you don't you just don't turn
your back on it. So I'm gonna play this next clip. And this is
a free show. 28 black don't crack to kind of this is how
drug dealers of kingpins can kind of absolve themselves from.
Well, somebody's got to sell drugs, if I don't sell it. And
this is from New jack city, the courts thing you're the one
who's guilty.
Lawmakers, the politicians that Colombian drug lords, all you
who lobby against making drugs legal, just like you did with
alcohol during the prohibition. You're the one who's guilty.
I mean, come
Well, let's kick the ballistics here.
I know who's these made in Harlem.
I mean, not one of us in here. Also pop up. This thing is
bigger than Nino Brown, this is big business. This is the
American way.
Okay, my goggles are still on. So I'm just not gonna say
anything. Yes. So
I mean, that was the the logic of Wayne bringing it here. So if
you're gonna get mad at somebody get right in the right people,
or how are you going to be a hypocrite and be mad at us and
not the other people? Now, I mean, there's, there's nuance to
that argument, but I'm just telling you how the logic works
for somebody that is on a high level like that, from my
understanding, and Nino Brown, to a lot of people are seen as a
hero. A because he made it and if the ultimate goal is making
it, it doesn't matter how you make it, how they make it. Yeah.
So I found this interesting clip from BMF, Jabari a. And he
touches on a point that I've made a long time ago about
adrenaline. My job of choice was adrenaline. My drug of choice
was
the family. You know, that familia. that's bigger than
almost any drug out there on earth, and adrenaline of driving
in a car cross country. 2000 plus miles, 100 kilos, and there
are only one in the world. And that state that knows is there.
You know, that adrenaline rush? is beyond dope or anything for
me. I don't use drugs. I don't drink. I don't touch. I don't
taste nothing. But that was my drug. Wow.
Yeah. And these were a lot of bright, ambitious young men.
If given maybe a different path.
They were proud probably would have, you know, saying turned
out differently. But
this goes to show you that he didn't drink he didn't do
anything. But adrenaline. I think I've made that point
before about a lot of these kids running around doing the
shooting and playing this game. And I'll go back a little bit to
the Kendrick Lamar. Spoiler alert, that was kind of what
they were doing, running around playing the game.
Popping shots off at people each other.
And somebody gets killed in the process. And then one, one scene
in that one from the skit. And in the Kendrick Lamar album. It
was like we will pop a few shots and you know, and then that
Haha, the deuce actually said, ha ha ha shot the neighborhood
in the skit. Yeah. Because this
it's not taking seriously.
You know, it's just somebody actually gets hit. So I just
want to make that point about adrenaline. And it's no
different I think in the mentality of a god going down a
slope on the X Games. 50 foot slope on a skateboard. You know,
we used to do for our adrenaline, rock fights.
So, yeah, I know. I know how stupid our way. So rock fights.
Yeah, you somehow there was two teams? I don't really I think I
do remember, this was in Holland, by the way. So it's a
whole different culture altogether. But would be the
kids from a village up the road. And there was a there was a
house being demolished. And so there was lots of rocks around
and stuff and I can't even remember how it happened. We
just started a rock fight and we're throwing rocks at each
other and the until one kid got a fucking hole in his head. And
then all of a sudden we were like, Damn, that was dumb. Let's
go home.
But it was pure adrenaline. I remember it vividly. like holy
crap, I could get a hold of my head. Wow, this is cool that we
didn't have guns. But if we hadn't we probably would have
used them too. And but nowadays these young kids have access to
gun all over the so early on and that's why I say gbg Yeah,
because uh i'm gonna start GB BG get black boys guns. And I know
that a lot of people had a sticker shock I mean, like, What
do you say? I think if you take young black boys out teach them
how to hunt train them again. Yeah, see what it's like to see
life poor out of an animal. I mean, you're gonna eat the
animal whatever but I think that's why the lack of respect
for guns is part of the problem in our community as well.
Yeah, but that all that that we used to be culture you used to
take your your shotgun, your 22 not your shotgun. You take your
22 to school, put it in your locker, I'm going hunting later
go and shoot and later. I was talking to a friend He's like
I'm taking my son out to get his first book. And I'm sure once he
see that animal gonna die. Totally respect for that tool
called called a firearm.
So I'm not I'm all over the place today, but I just want to
make that point as well. Um, but that's that's big. Meech
And I'm gonna say this about Jeezy if you have the governor's
in the President's ear
if meek wants to come home and restore order in the streets
with it right now we're we're post that now shall we say we're
post Osama right now
remember how crazy it was Afghanistan in the Middle East
when you took out Osama or a
Saddam Hussein yeah now you have like five other warlords vying
for this mayhem mayhem Of course, whenever you take out
someone being in the gang or in the in the mob or organized
crime, it's always a fight for who's who's who's the boss now.
So I'm gonna say this. Remember when Kanye went first talk to
Trump in the Oval Office. Yeah, he was talking about bringing
Larry Hoover home and he was also mentioned in the song big
Meech by Rick Ross. I'm like big Meech, I'm like Larry Hoover. So
if Meech Larry Hoover can come home restore order to the
streets. I'm all for it. And I think genies ask, I know people
like what are you talking about Mo, I am not anti organized
crime. The reason why I say that is I am a realist that no crime
is gonna exist, vices gonna exist. If you saw a thing in
Portland, they've legalized the possession of drugs. So I mean,
we've gotten to the point where people are going to get high,
people are going to participate in prostitution, people are
going to participate in gambling. Now it's like if we
can bring these well respected, people highly respected by their
peers, and the guys that came up like them, and they can restore
order. Well, we don't have guys getting shot in the mall and
shot in the streets and all kinds of Mayhem, where it can
reach
civilians. I'm all for it. I'm for anything that brings
solutions to our community. I know that sounds crazy. But
even in the streets, you got to have some kind of order. It
sounds Well, it sounds hopeful. And yes.
As long as there are drugs, and as long as those drugs are
illegal, then there's going to be I I got to pick out from
under the goggles. Because, yeah, this is this is all this
is all going on. With street drugs. The Meanwhile, Purdue
pharma just admitted they were they were drug dealers actor
with a whole frickin network of legal drugs, they pay a fine, no
one goes to jail, none of the doctors the pill Mills. And of
course that trickled down to the street as well. None of it and
these guys, I would say in the opioid game are above above the
street gangs were handing it down. And first we said all the
rich white people get it. And then Oh, we got some excess was
distributed over here. Maybe those kids can turn it into lean
or whatever, mix it up. Those are the criminals, the criminals
are there. And as long as you've got these two systems, they're
meant they're meant to work together. They're baked into the
system. It's a part of it at and I don't know, we may find out if
we had if we've had systemic voter fraud in our in our
republic for the past 40 years.
And that will and if that is demonstrated and shown to the
American people that will freak a lot of people out, wait until
you find out what's really going on. What's really going on.
Because all of this to me, what's happening on the streets,
in the pyp
urban areas is part of the same thing.
And it's intended to be kept that way.
Yeah, and I'll go back to and we can go to the next clip after
this one. I go back to the Godfather line when they were
debating where they were at the same point I'm at now is gonna
be a drug trade. Right? Cuz I mean, that's what the
Michael Collins father was arguing against, like, Don't
bring no we don't need to get into the drug game. And
everybody was the other four families convinced them like
there's gonna be a drug market. And then whether they say long
as you keep it down there with the inwards. Yes, exactly,
exactly. That's exactly what they said. And it's ness. That's
a movie but that's been the sentiment. Because we you listen
to this net clip clip from James Bradley, talking about the
Roosevelt, opium empower. I'm out in China, and I find that
the grandfather of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, his name was
Warren Delano was the opium king of China. The fortune that
Franklin Delano Roosevelt lived off of custom made suits, nice
houses, sailboats, vacations, summer homes. He didn't make
that money he inherited from grandpa Warren Delano, the opium
king of China. Cabot house at Harvard opium Skull and Bones at
Yale opium
The Library of Columbia opium money, the if you go on the
Princeton website, at least they're honest, they will admit
that their first biggest benefactor, john green was an
opium dealer with Warren Delano. So the book is full of
surprises. I'll let you judge. It didn't change my view about
America so much. What it did is changed my view about American
historians.
Yes, poorly documented, no argument there. Absolutely. And
I think this is what you're alluded to about, you know, the
power structure not and I'll say this last thing, because you
brought it up the opioid epidemic, and people were like,
Well, you know, um, they won't didn't treat black people, white
people like they did black people doing the crack error.
And that's a very astute observation. But I don't think
they understand the reason why it's not about the victim, or
the user of the drug. It was about who is gonna be put in
handcuffs. If you
if something comes out. Yeah. It would have been a bunch of
doctors that would have hadn't been perp walk, yeah, out of
their legitimate establishment. And that is not going to happen.
Because the drug doctors have a lobby, they have a lobby, so
you're like, Nah, that's not gonna happen. And so like, we'll
pay a pay a penalty, other pharmaceutical companies, and
they hit more doctors didn't have to wasn't even covered
brother, it was not even covered. On the news. It was a
throwaway line
1000s of people dead because of this one company. And it wasn't
covered. Because not because of the color of the skin, maybe to
a lesser extent, maybe the color of skin that people that died,
it was about who sold it to him. That's the problem. And that's
why they didn't prosecute them in the same manner because
doctors are not getting locked up. That's just not happening in
this country. But also the media is who who's the number one
advertiser on television. Number one. Hello, pharma. You're not
gonna say anything about pharma, because that's your bread and
butter, you do not do not talk negatively about pharma.
So it's a scam. And once again, we'll look who's getting the bad
end of the stick. Yeah. And so that leads us into the next
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Contra. This documentary will rewrite this dark period in
American history and leave you with annoying question. Who or
what is running this country?
gunrunning
mysterious CIA flights
control military training
guerrilla pilot training
Stein air drops
tons of illegal drugs.
Millions of dollars in dirty money.
covert activity in some third world Banana Republic, right?
Wrong.
Arkansas, America's own Banana Republic.
sauce I'll bring this up again. Cool Breeze said it on a Goodie
Mob song. He said dirty Bo clinic in front of me some wait.
This is the early 90s this is before the internet. This is not
some conspiracy theory. This is why known that the Clintons were
running heavy drugs in the south. And I have proof now.
of something I said a while back about one of the mechanisms or
one of the methods that used to transport it. And that was
inside of Tyson chickens. Yes. This is why Tyson chickens with
no excuse me This is why kilos of cocaine, I believe are
referred to as chickens. in Chronicles one, one of Hillary's
investments under the direction of Tyson Foods counselor James
Blair netted almost $100,000 on an initial $1,000 investment on
nearly impossible feet using legal methods. I can't read
their minds or speculate, but I had absolutely no reason to
believe that I got any favorable treatment.
Coincidentally, Governor Clinton the next
To the number of state regulations allowing Tyson Foods
to grow into the largest industry in Arkansas.
Don Tyson put in six $700,000 all told in all of Bill
Clinton's campaign.
Guess what he got out of it? He got $10 million
guessed from where
the Arkansas development finance authority and he never paid a
dime for
had heard rumors of Don Tyson in his allege cocaine use and
distribution. Now went through the intelligence files and come
up with enough that I thought was sufficient amount of
evidence to launch investigation. Now, Mr. Tyson's
out simply out of Arkansas State Police intelligence files has
been accumulated for years.
Yeah, and there was also a nice nod to this in breaking bad if
you remember
or Polo chicken was being used. And you know, where the
distribution centers are alleged to be that the Tyson trucks were
showing up at
to tell Walmart's
course another fine Arkansas for
witches, witches. So this as the story goes, and this is all
alleged. This is all all alleged.
Load up the chickens full of cocaine.
Go all across the nation to Walmart, if the chickens out,
put the chickens on the shelf. The cocaine goes out the back
door. Mm hmm. Um, that's pretty well established this. I think
these are facts. Right? I'm just saying for people. So it's not
just we're not talking about Roseville in the you know, in
the opium trade. We're talking about people that are still in
power today. That may be you know, saying made these
decisions, the impact that you're saying the community and
the culture, if they will say, and nobody's held to task and
then you turn around and you want to work with these people.
And then you want to demonize other I mean, I'm just like,
let's just be fair, however we call it if you want to call it
loose, you want to call it tight, that's fine, but call it
fair.
Is the man it's amazing. It is amazing.
This information is out there for for the consump people's
consumption, but nobody does anything with it. Well, I want
to I have some some things to say. But I want to get through
the clinton Chronicles clips. First, I want to hear what we've
got. Okay, number two, a great deal of criminal investigation
files were surfacing with Don Tyson's name mentioned in there
as being involved with some drug and narcotics trafficking
activities. So I interviewed some of the investigators who
worked on the Tyson case. Most of them felt that Tyson should
have been indicted. But the investigations were always
sabotaged. Oftentimes from within one particular undercover
narc agent told me that
another criminal investigator in that department named Doug Foley
was furnishing Don Tyson with photographs of the undercover
narcotics agents that were working on his case, Donald
smalls was actually hired to look into the allegations that
Tyson had given bribes to different people, specifically
to the Secretary of Agriculture, Mike espy.
And what came out of that investigation was very
remarkable. Drug Abuse
drug distribution, money laundering, even murder for
hire.
Now a small has collected all this stuff, he compiled it, he
put it in proper order.
Approach Janet Reno
and said, Look, you know, I need to broaden my investigation. I'm
finding more here than just simple payoffs. What do you
think happened?
Now most of you already know, he was turned down.
Huh?
Clinton hasn't goons.
those goons okay, right now. I'm holding I'm holding. I'm holding
mo I'm holding I'm holding back I'm holding back. Alright, so
let's go and jump into three. Don Tyson was in the middle of
the cocaine just like Bill Clinton.
Slide Dan last, just like Roger, and all the so you see all of
this insist?
All of this drug run all of the trafficking drugs, sending them
all over the nation.
Little in Arkansas,
right under the nose, a little Governor Bill Clinton.
I went to Bill
and I said bill, you
Got two weeks to tell the truth. I'm gonna tell you're breaking
the law and I can't be a part of you made mistake. I'm not one of
your buddies released. I'm not that big a buddy. When Larry
Nichols made his disclosures made them public.
The Clintons spin doctor
treated him on mercifully. It shocked both of us who had been
kept in the dark through the years and Arkansas politics. The
Arkansas news media had done little, if anything on tober,
anything derogatory about Bill Clinton.
And for these disclosures to come out of the blue was so
shocking
that the Spin Doctors attack the messenger
rather than tried to answer crab to answer the charges that
Nicolas had made.
Well,
I have some,
some perspective on this, please. My uncle, Donald Greg,
who was in the CIA, when before it was CIA, he's now just in his
90s. It was still the OSS. He had to testify in front of
Congress and was implicated in the Iran Contra scandal, as he
at the time was
Vice President Bush's national security adviser. And he got off
scot free. But within the family, the discussion was kind
of well, he didn't cover his boss's ass, which if you look
into him, and by the way, I think uncle Don is a patriot.
And I think he was a useful idiot in this in this Gambit,
because it's always been played as this was drugs for guns, and
that the CIA was giving guns or selling guns to the Contras.
And doing that, in, the only payment they could accept was
cocaine and they turned that into crack cocaine and then
eventually spread that out on the on the streets of
California, Los Angeles in particular.
It is my belief that this was always a false view of what was
really going on. Because the Clintons, they're just pawns and
Bill Clinton is a nice guy, but he's dumb. And and look at his
brother Roger. And so they were working for the bushes. The
bushes are truly the crime family that maybe no longer I'm
not quite sure what's left of it. But
daddy bush Papa bush puppy. He was the guy who started in the
CIA at the very beginning.
And I believe President Eisenhower said it, President
Kennedy felt it was some hot lead. The CIA is running all of
this, the CIA has been running the drugs in the United States
for a long, long time. Possibly before you and I were even born,
they are a complete criminal organization. And
with a little bit of a little bit of luck, but a lot of skill.
45 savage may be able to uncover this. It may be part of the big
review. But the CIA is a toxic, horrible organization not has
wasn't always that way. But it didn't take long before it got
corrupted. They have unlimited power. They have unlimited money
because they sell the drugs. If I think we discussed the Bush
family, actually they own property in Compton.
No, they know that's where he was. Compton is where George W.
George Herbert. Hey, George, h, h. h h. w. w. h whatever his. He
was. He lived in Compton, right? Yeah. And that's where they the
CIA agents supposedly showed street level drug dealers how to
cook up the crack. That's exactly true. It's the CIA,
which their Christmas there. They're like, they're the
criminals. There's the criminals mo it's not the Clintons is
just, I mean, everyone, look, please focus on the Clintons.
Whatever you do, focus on the Clintons don't focus on the
bushes and don't focus on the CIA. It's my opinion, I have a
little more insight than most. I'm pretty sure the true
criminals at the top is going to be your Central Intelligence
Agency in its modern form, not what they started offering. And
I always say this, the most powerful man in this country
maybe in the second
Half of the 1900s was George Bush Senior. Yes, sir. Because
if you look at how long that flag was half mass
when he passed, I've never seen it. I was like, cuz at work, we
know we have the flag half mass on national tragedies. Yeah, I
was like that thing still that who has died, and it was still
for him. And that lets you know the power. I'm all on board with
you. He Reagan gets the blame for I don't think Reagan had the
mental capacity at the time. I think the whole? No, I think it
was the eight years that he was vice president coming straight
out of the CIA.
He ran it for another four years. On a when he was
president. And then he ran it for another eight years under
his stooge, the George me asking me, Bill Clinton. Yes. So I'm in
total green.
Isn't the Spin Doctors we know who the spend czar? That's the
media, and the media will never It's amazing. If george bush
wanted to defeat Bill Clinton, this would have been public
knowledge.
Yes. But it wasn't
one other data point. That's kind of fun. If I say 911 2001
you know exactly where you were. Right? Right. Okay, so do I. If
you say to anyone to your parents, you say Do you remember
where you were when Kennedy got shot? I don't know exactly where
they were. The one man in america who on record has said I
can't remember where I was.
is George Herbert Walker Bush. He's on record Don't forget
poppy
pot. Well, he that is Poppy.
I know that's what they don't forget the poppy. Yeah. Oh,
please. Exactly. Why do they call him poppy? We know that.
Please. But he does not know where he was on the day.
President Kennedy was assassinated
in one day This will come out I hope we're still around when it
does. And do you know why I think
or a weird analogy because it's just like what the chickens
while was cocaine college she's always wanted that.
I like that a lot. I like that well you know that guy with all
the chickens you know what they call him?
poppy
get out of town. Going to see poppy to get numbers get them
breaks
I didn't know that. That's cool.
It's this it's this crossover between elite level
criminality and elite level a separate criminality and I'm not
gonna make a difference between the two but it's what also look
at it. Look at it, look at it as an organization look at it as an
army. And look at on here. They've got the the marketing
arm media. They've got you know, the the lawyers, which is
literal lawyers, who also are all politicians, or most
politicians are lawyers. They've got the whole thing all the way
down the line. And they've got all and yeah, who cares if a
couple of black guys go to jail? Wait a minute. I do like what
they're doing with this drug culture songs. And we got to
promote that a little bit. It's, it is so and this is what I in
my heart of hearts believe that Trump is trying to show us this
now. And I don't know how far he'll get. I really pray for him
that he does it because that's the swamp man. Now you're
talking swamp and he has made some moves that mimic what
Kennedy did back in the late 50s, particularly as it pertains
to the CIA's power. And you may have seen this little switchover
that they did with special operations, which is pretty much
the CIA was running them for everything, from Libya, to Syria
to you name it to Benghazi, all CIA run operations. And I
believe that they were there. That's why everyone is so what's
so crazy about Trump, it's like, oh, my God, this guy just might
expose us because it's so rampant so widespread, and the
world is so connected to things getting a bit hot, because fans
will find stuff out and idiots on podcast, talk about it, and
people get wise to it. And we're still in Afghanistan, just like
this, though. Don't let that escape you. Oh, and and please,
please do look at where our troops are stationed. And you
will see that they are exactly in the areas where the poppy
fields are. It's called protection. Right? Which we saw
the same thing with Vietnam War and the influx of
the country to go see an American president. Wasn't that
Denzil American Gangster American Gangster wish that will
be who they equate a freeway Ricky Ross to all he was running
the whole thing. It's like Brooke, come on. Come on. No
way. No way. No, no, no. No
does not tell I would not be allowed in the conspiracy
conspiracy theory community if I didn't let this last chunk of
information get by me. Let's just jump right into it Gucci
man and Charlemagne to make me think of Gucci clone
conspiracies or reflection of how toxic like the hood
mentality.
I kind of it was entertaining to me. Yeah, I kind of thought it
was funny. I enjoyed the Gucci Mane gonna see him for you feel
like a clone. Now I don't feel like a clone. But I did kind of
like the minute she was fun. It was fun like Danny thanks I'm
not really the same person. I didn't look at it like I didn't
fit me I kind of wanted him to keep it going. That's a
compliment. Yeah, like now now I was saying not not not him. I
did again now it's like now not a clone. Keep going with a
clone. I don't. I'm not familiar with the Gucci Mane clone. So he
made such a transformation come out of jail. People thought he
would clone in jail.
Okay, well, I don't subscribe to that because I think cloning is
a very a tedious process. I do think is this and I do think
that but i think they're so unstable. This is just my
personal opinion. I don't know any clowns that I don't know. I
can't speak for
Rocco the dog man I think Rocco might be a clone. Right? So I
don't think
counting coochie man was the best option. But can I get a
little theorem in here? Cuz Uh
oh, I do hold on hold on. I got a tune it up. There we go. You
gotta plug that thing in. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen,
we're going off the rails mo calls from the can't be good.
If you want to subscribe to something happened to Gucci
while he was in jail. That helped him with this
transformation. I would go more with MK Archer, rather than
cloning, because if you change a person's mind on that level, I'm
not saying he was I'm just saying I think there's if you
want to go conspiracy theory with Gucci man.
Pam being in a federal prison in Atlanta, will be a great
opportunity to mine control him. That way you can control all his
supporters and spawns when he's released back to the streets. I
think that's a far more plausible conspiracy. Sure, then
the cloning.
And well, love It's 45 while America's intellectual and
artistic elite were experimenting with acid for self
exploration, the US government was secretly giving this
powerful new drug to prisoners, prostitutes, drug people who
couldn't fight back is one CIA officer put in.
Maybe the unabomber was given LSD as well. Though we'll never
know for sure. Thanks to CIA director Richard Helms is having
most of the program's records destroy.
This is Boston mobster Whiting Bolger, who was another
illustrious graduate of MK Ultra, and he was definitely
given LSD while in Atlanta federal prison as a volunteer.
Alleged mobster James whitey Bolger fled Boston in late 1994.
His federal agents were about to arrest him in connection with 19
killings racketeering and other crimes that spanned the early
1970s to mid 1980s. Roger went into prison as a small time
thug. But when he got out he took over the Boston underworld
by corrupting nearly the entire Boston FBI office.
James whitey Bolger went on to become Boston's most powerful
criminal is spent 16 years on FBI most wanted list. whitey
bolger's henchmen later testified during his various
trials that the gangster often talked about his experience with
LSD, and that it quote, took him to the depths of insanity. Did
LSD help transform a simple South Boston truck hijacker into
a brilliant criminal and unanswerable question to be
sure, but an interesting one nonetheless.
I love what evolved. You're coming back man because whitey
Bolger fingerprints are over a lot of stuff these days. Do you
know who he was? Landon? Yeah, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Go
ahead. Go ahead. Now he was in Atlanta, federal prison when he
was allegedly put into MK Ultra
program. Yeah, and who was involved in
whitey bolger's downfall and who has visited him in prison in the
last five years?
Who was that? I don't know. He got me a special prosecutor
Robert Muller.
Oh, yeah. Are Muller all connected to whitey Bolger? Why
Bolger who died in prison was a very big 45 savage fan.
Um, so you take those those four names and and look who wound up
dead. Although I don't know if he died if any, we don't know
because why don't we know we're just reading something right?
Right. So yes to MK Ultra possibly.
also possibly that someone got some real truth on the inside.
It's like Oh, wait a minute.
It's not like I said, I'm not saying I'm not saying that he
went under MK Archer. I'm just saying that so far more
plausible. If you want to say we can't do it on its own. That's a
far more plausible conspiracy. It is. But I think the MK Ultra
is actually a cover
before the whitey Bolger connections,
okay, okay. You know, I'm saying so, yeah, so this is why when I
look at, well Moeller everybody, gosh, man. You know,
these people are so corrupt. Look at 911 you know, just since
since we've since we played the theramin cool coup, who became
FBI Director two weeks before 911.
That Moeller Robert Muller. Now, ever since J. Edgar Hoover, you
know, the black man.
Ever since
a black man.
passable, very passable black man, ever since J. Edgar Hoover
started the FBI really as a blackmail operation. And, of
course, that all came out a law was put on the books when you
couldn't just change easily. And the law was, the FBI Director,
by statute cannot be in office more than 10 years. So when we
had 911, and we had all the crap going on in the Middle East.
And, you know, for those of you who were alive 20 years ago,
this 911 thing that was crazy, crazy times, now everyone was
confused, everyone was and the internet just just kind of
really started going wide, so people could look stuff up. And
so when Obama came in, they did something very remarkable. They
threw a number of tricks, and I don't even know if it was legal.
They somehow finagle this statute of 10 years and gave
Robert Muller an extra two years in the Obama administration. I'm
telling you, this is rotten to the core. And it's it's, it's,
hey, they don't call it the White House for nothing.
This it's it's been very, very bad. And it would be beautiful
for it all to come out and everyone to be able to see how
the upper echelons of our world but certainly of our country
have
really propagated a war for profit and for lots of power on
the American people in different forms. You know, we got we got
different drugs for different classes of people we've been
through that we've seen it all happen and so what if those
people down at the bottom get killed that's who these people
are, that's who's really running the country or was running the
country or maybe still is we don't know. But that's how bad
it is mo and and and, and we've kind of approach it from the
bottom up, which is the way to go so the way to look at it is
just go all the way up through the chicken to the Clinton to
the bushes to the CIA. God knows who else is up above this.
You see all the fingerprints yet all you have to do is use and
actually to follow the next day follow the paper trail from from
the bottom you had to start at one end and we don't know what's
the top end so at least we can start at the bottom in and then
we keep following the stream and here's here's a thought stop
voting for these assholes
we gave you a warning at the beginning stop voting for them
you're killing yourself as
well Adam mess my rap on the verse
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