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FAQs with Adam curry for October
12 2020. This is episode number

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51. And sounding worse than he
feels ladies and gentlemen Kofax

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on the microphone by Domo

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I'm doing pretty good Adam, how
about yourself? Yeah,

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I'm doing okay now you sound a
little bit a little bit weak ish

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under the weather what's going
on?

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For my fantasy football fans out
there? I was a questionable but

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gametime decision we're going to
play. So let's do this

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big sports reference. I didn't
get even a fantasy sports

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reference. But yes. Okay, so
we're doing good. Good to have

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you. Back with me, ma'am. And
yeah, I just had a Yeah, we had

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some stuff going on Saturday. So
here we are on a Monday, getting

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ready for another mo fax with
Adam curry. What are the

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response has been from from our
big 50 episode?

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Mag got a lot of good responses.
Everybody was, well, 97.3% of

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the people. Appreciate it. Other
ones, I got a few people saying

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that, you know, about, you know,
the normal atonement? pushback.

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That's why we always speak about
wanting to change the term for

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reparations to tell him because
the triggering effect it has.

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Yeah, I saw a lot of I saw a lot
of interesting feedback

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regarding the legal case that
you made, which I thought was

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fantastic to listen to. And a
lot of people I saw going like,

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well, hold on a second. Now how
exactly does that work?

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And that's all I wanted to do
was make the legal case for and

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more than make the Case for
Reparations, slash its home

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itself is the make the
understanding of the political

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ramifications that this demand
has. And hopefully people

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understand. This is why, quote
unquote, black people need their

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own Alpha men need their own
data and designation. So that's

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why that's why I took from it.

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Well, I think I think you
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thinking and, and that's always
good. And it was it was

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interesting. Just all we want to
do. Yeah. That's how we do the

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work.

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All right. Without further ado,
let's find out what the topic is

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for de facto with Adam curry,
episode number 51. Round around

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the wheel of topics goes where
it stops, nobody knows. Well,

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Moe knows. Let's find out. Now.
What is the topic for episode

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number 51?

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Safe white spaces?

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Safe white spaces? Okay. I'm
very curious to see where you're

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going to take us today. Mo.

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So where are we going today is
that in the episode, Last

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episode, we wrapped up with the
demand being integration, or

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that's what the media narrative
was that we want to integration,

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we were pushing for integration.
And I kind of want to push back

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against that because one, we
never got integration. What we

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ended up getting was a
simulation. And two, that was

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not the demand of everybody. And
this is another narrative. And

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this is what we do here. We tear
down narratives. First we look

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at what's the source of the
narrative, and then what was the

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actual temperature of the people
at that time? So it's gonna be a

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zigzag, you know, we be windy
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end. So I have this piece I
found out from Jeff Glor, I

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think that's CBS and he had
Calvin bacon Baker, excuse me,

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Calvin Baker, who's a novelist,
which that's important. And he

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they discuss his book more
perfect reunion.

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This morning, we continue our
promise to focus on at least one

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new book a week during the
pandemic. Today more perfect

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reunion by Calvin Baker. Baker
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for this book, he took a
different approach, blending

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history, style and remarkably
powerful ideas at the core of

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our nation. A more perfect
reunion is Baker's clarion call

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for America.

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Someone's Live me to this moment
about race. I think race is

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stupid. What does that

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mean? Racist, stupid.

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We all know that race is an
invention. You right?

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There's no Given a race problem
in America, explain that.

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It's an integration problem.

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Beginning in 1774, the founders
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the Continental Congress,
writing what would become the

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blueprint for the United States
of America. Most recognized

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slavery was at odds with
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of the South and the need for a
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what Calvin Baker says was the
original, unconscionable

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compromise,

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or wonder what the founders
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they saw this? Like, we wouldn't
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I think they'd say, this was not
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Baker's book, a more perfect
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because the first union never
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Now, which Baker was this? I got
Jeff Glor, but which Baker was

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this? This is

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Calvin Baker.

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Oh, Calvin Baker.

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Yeah. And he's not a historian.
He's a novelist. I can't not

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saying that. novelists can't
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that's not what this is. This is
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He's a fine. He's a fine subject
from Chicago. And the Chicago

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University System, my Dad

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got to being right off the bat.
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Yeah, we met we know what the
Chicago is all about. But he's

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book. It's about his book is a
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remarkable ideas at the core of
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America's failure at race,
racial integration. So his point

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straight off is about
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narrative. And as you can hear
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put it right out there

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for integration has always been
the real goal of civil rights in

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America. If you read about the
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abolitionist even, who said,
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the enslaved people. And the
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you integrate them? And that's
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Baker argues the United States
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of integration in four stages.
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mentioned they basically punted
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which led to emancipation but
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Act of 1964, a government
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made significant of incomplete
inroads. And right now, Lincoln

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before the Civil War is tacitly
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slavery,

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right? But it's an awakening,
right? It's a process and we can

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change this mine.

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If Abraham Lincoln had not been
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I don't think we've ever really
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concept. And it's interesting to
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really, if it was emancipation.
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everybody dropped. It was never
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where the

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integration part was always the
narrative push, how do we

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integrate our assimilate these
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society right now, and a couple
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the word tacitly, he said,
Lincoln tacitly told us out that

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they could keep slavery if you
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you look at the words tacitly it
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silence or implied

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without being directly. It's
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as we know, here, right, as we
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works, no. And he asked, how
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we want to do is we need to jump
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then come back to number six, we
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have gotten to where we are now,
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Where are we now, compared to
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Rights Act was passed?

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I think the will and that moment
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focused. People understood what
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the will to do it. You had broad
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we're going to do this and this
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Now. We are I think we're still
looking for a complete language.

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Baker's book takes big shots. If
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you write about New York City,
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melting pot. You say it's not

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we live adjacent to one another.
We're not really right. So we

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walk down the street, and like
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feeling this kind of person,
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residentially, we live, and we
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segregated.

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So it's a lot to unpack there.
First of all, he couldn't even

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say the word or segregate.
Notice that boy had to like he

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had to lead him on. And then he
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of people deciding what broad
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we would have got what we have
now 100 years earlier. No,

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that's all narrative BS,
especially from what we explored

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about an honest ape. Even it'll
the last show. But I want to

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show before we go into it,
because I have that throwback

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clip just to refresh people's
minds of Honest Abe and what he

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really thought when he really
thought about slavery. I want to

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jump to the end of this segment,
and show you how dangerous and

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for lack of better word
infectious narrative is.

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This book that Michelle not just
deals with the big issue, the

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biggest issues, but it's also
beautifully written. Calvin just

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he has a way with words, so
highly recommended. And

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listening

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to him, it's somewhat angers me
a great deal to think that 100

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years ago, we could be could
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Like yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a
lot to think about. Hopefully,

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we will do the business of this
work.

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Oh, let's do the business of
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twist. How you doing the work.
I'm doing the business of the

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work, my friend doing

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the business to help.

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Boom shakalaka I like that. You
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how she took his narrative and
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be where we're at right now. 100
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we need to go back and listen to
Mr. Jerome, Jerome Bennett, Jr.

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and what Abraham Lincoln really
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title on the book is Abraham
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that mean?

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It means that contrary to what
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Lincoln's deepest desire was to
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create an all white nation.

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It sounds like a wild idea now,
and it is a wild idea. But from

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about 1800 52 until his death,
he worked feverishly to try to

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create deportation plans
colonization plans, to send

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black people either to Africa,
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America, or to the islands of
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1862, in which he asked Congress
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amendments, one to buy the
slaves second, to declare free

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all people who'd actually
escaped. But the third one, his

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proposed 15th amendment, asked
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deport black people to another
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So does that sound like tacitly
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wink, wink, nudge nudge? Yeah,
no, it doesn't know. But that's

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what that is. So that is so that
fact is just really not taught

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not known. You could you could
read it. It's not like any

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secret. It's just as never
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But even as Jerome Bennett said,
it's a wild idea, just to even

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think the things that he found
in the history books to be true,

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even though they're facts. But
when you're competing with

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narrative, yeah, as Mr. Calvin
Baker comes in a novelist, let

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me remind people, and as you're
gonna say, oh, it's beautifully

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written so they can take a lie.
And beautifully write it and

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package it by a novelist or
other people like Calvin Baker,

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and then it just sounds so good.
Oh, yeah, we could have been

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we're 100 years behind the
record. You know, what heartbeat

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year in progress,

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and how does that move
everything forward? By pointing

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that out and then saying, oh,
boy, it sucks, just just doesn't

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seem very productive to me.

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Well, what it does is it
explains away while we haven't

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made the progress, and the only
people that are that need to

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have short record of progress
are the people that we give our

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vote away to. I mean, let's just
be honest. Yeah. Gotcha. So to

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have this plane away, you know,
it was Lincoln and he you know,

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he would eat now he was he would
eat he went with his I think

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they use the word he was gross.
You know, he grew you know, he

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was racist when he first arted
out, but by the time it was

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over, you know, he blossomed to
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president, which is not the
case. And but this is why, what

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we do here, we're doing the
business of the work. We point

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out these fallacies, and he's
fantasies and fantasy is going

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to be a huge part of this show,
I just want to let people know

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up front. This image that we
have in this on our head of this

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perfect nation on this perfect
society, it really hinders

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people. But before I continue
on, I want to let Mr. Calvin

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Baker finish up with why America
failed to integrate it for

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to bring about full integration,
Baker envisions programs on the

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scale of the New Deal, the GI
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Administration. But in this
book, he does not offer specific

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policy prescriptions. He says,
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once you get to prescription
here's what happens in books

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that talk about the topic of
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compartmentalize them. And we
start getting now we're going to

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talk about education. Now we're
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Now we're going to talk about
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write a book that looked across
these spaces. For question, can

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we live together? Or not? Do we
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think

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people can have different ideas
on how to get to that.

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Start with start with what
worked? Start with what brought

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us to this point, right? I mean,
we are better off than we were,

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I mean, as a nation, right? We
have come further than we'd come

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before. But now you've got to go
the rest of the way.

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How long do you believe that
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book, I thought, three, four
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serious about the conversation
we're having right now to

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two generations, it's possible.
So that's our grandkids

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isn't a wonderful thing to leave
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well, that's kind of dark. It'll
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his with the with the Calvin
Baker method or or I don't

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understand

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why you don't have a method and
method he didn't know he didn't

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have any solutions. But he said
what we shouldn't do is do

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things like the New Deal, the GI
Bill and FHA. I pray to God we

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don't because I did a little
digging on those. Cato

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Institute. I think that's a
pretty reputable just I mean,

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there has to be out front and I
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Institute but they are still
credible. And title, why the

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FDR? New Deal. Harm blacks. It
says good intentions are

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overrated. Franklin. Delano
Roosevelt's New Deal, for

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instance, has been hailed for
his lofty goals of reforming the

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American economy, and helping
the underprivileged. Yet

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mounting evidence evidence here
narrative developed by dozens of

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economists across the country
show the New Deal prolong

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joblessness for millions and
black people were especially

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hard hit. It's I don't want none
of that. Right? This is his

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illusion.

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And if if I can just interject
and say that point of view when

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it comes to monetary policy, you
know, like what FDR was

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considering, all the way up to
what the Federal Reserve or the

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Treasury anytime it comes to
policy. And that can also be

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policy of going into Syria or
Iraq. No one ever knows what's

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really going to happen. But
with, with policy, like, social

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services, it's, it's, I just
want to say it's not necessarily

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malfeasance or mal intended.
It's just no one ever knows how

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it's gonna work out. The problem
is people typically don't learn

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from those mistakes.

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Now, but when you have somebody
like this guy, Calvin come out

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and say, oh, we need to do like
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has no idea what he's talking
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if that's gonna worry.

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gurjit tating narrative. Yes, my
point is, and this is the heart

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and you heard that lady at the
end, do the same thing that she

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just heard, oh, will be 100
years better, says who? Yeah,

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that's what you're saying what
data points to that we will be

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where we're at 100 years
earlier. If you know if things

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would have played out
differently, we don't know. But

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they go and spat out and this
I'll just read the title of this

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one, how the GI Bill promised
was denied to millions of black

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War War Two veterans, and that's
really what helped create the

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suburbs, but we'll get down to
that later. And then, just to

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wrap up I have clips here for
Mr. Richard Rothstein. Have you

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ever heard of him?

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No, I don't think so maybe no.
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Well, he's assuming a senior
fellow Richard Rothstein, who

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authored the book the color law,

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I forgot. Oh, yeah, no, I have
this. Of course I do. I read

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this book. Yes, of course.

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Yeah. So he, in this next clip,
Kal kLW. One, he explains how

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the FHA was problematic.

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Public housing in this country
began in the mid 20th century,

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in the New Deal during the
Roosevelt administration. It was

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the first civilian public
housing ever built. And it began

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as a project for working class
families, not for poor people,

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for people who had jobs, but in
the pret Depression had no

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housing. And it was mostly for
whites and the federal

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government have built the Public
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first New Deal agencies built
the first civilian public

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housing in this country. And
everywhere in the country, it

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created segregated projects,
even where communities were

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previously integrated. There
were many integrated

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neighborhoods in the mid 20th
century, early 20th century, we

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would be stunned if we were
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and saw how much integration
residential integration there

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was, for the simple reason that
the working class people didn't

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have automobiles to get to work.
So they want to live close

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enough to the factories where
they worked, or the other

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workplaces. And so if you had a
factory that was, had Irish

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immigrant workers and Italian
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immigrant workers and African
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roughly the same neighborhoods
near the factories. That

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neighborhood where he grew up an
integrated neighborhood was a

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neighborhood where the Public
Works Administration demolished

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housing and build two separate
projects, one for whites and one

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for African Americans are
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previously hadn't existed and
might not have existed in the if

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that hadn't been done.

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Row wasn't intended these.

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This is facts compared to you
know, narrative. This guy

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actually says the government
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and took action to segregate
previously integrated

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communities. Now, do you get the
feeling he wanted to live with?

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Do you get the feeling he's
saying that that was intentional

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or was just unintended
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As you hear this next set of
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clear that it was intentional.
To counter what Calvin said

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about we will be where we're at
100 years ago of nothing, you

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know, we did things differently.
Maybe if the government wouldn't

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have gotten involved, we will be
where are we at now? A lot

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sooner?

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Sure. Well, but that was also at
this point. You know, that's

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just narrative. We don't really
know. But maybe as we unfold the

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facts, we'll find out. Right? I

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mean, will will you go in and
create segregated projects? I

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mean, you can't you that was
counterproductive. That's what

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I'm saying. I'm just taking
sheer facts. But yeah, it is a

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little bit of reached here.
spacejam reach part two.

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And this pattern was created
everywhere in the country of

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Cambridge, Massachusetts, we
think of it as being a liberal

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area. The area near MIT was also
an integrated community about

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half black half white, the
Public Works Administration

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demolished housing, in that
integrated neighborhood to build

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two separate projects, one for
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whites. Well, this continued for
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early 1950s, we saw development
everywhere in the country, that

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there were large numbers of
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and long waiting lists in the
black projects. Eventually, the

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situation became so conspicuous
that all the projects were

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opened up to African Americans,
and about the same time,

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industry left the cities. And
there were fewer and fewer jobs

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for the people who are living in
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They became poor and poor. And
then for the first time in the

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in this about 1950, public
housing began to be a subsidized

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program for people who couldn't
afford private housing and

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almost all black at the time,
and without jobs and without

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hope without opportunities being
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areas. Meanwhile, the federal
government was subsidizing the

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movement of white families only
to single family homes in the

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suburbs,

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right. Oh, man, the history is
coming back now. Okay.

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That's what a raw deal unless
route let's bully you know,

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flesh out this idea how the all
black people get to the cities

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in the first place. They came
there to look into jobs during

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the Great Migration, right? And
then you take the jobs, move

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them out to the suburbs, where
you move all the white people to

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there's no jobs and to see in
the inner city, or where you

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always ask whether this term
urban come from this is it. This

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is the birther, urban,

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Urban Suburban.

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I'm learning how you take the
jobs and the nice houses and you

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move them out. And then you
leave. You say, Okay, black

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people can have the projects,
but then black people you want

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the projects? No, no father's

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right. Yeah. Then there's that
part. Yeah. Wow.

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So So, as you said, black black
men or black people are most

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conspiratorial?

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Well, there's not really me.
There's I just, I just thought

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it was your What?

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No, right. But what I'm saying
we You see, all these things

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fall in one domino after
another,

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you start to get really
suspicious about stuff.

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Absolutely.

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Right. Was this bot design?
Maybe? Or was it just

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happenstance? And as you
continue on, it's like, hold on.

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We can't be that many
coincidences. Let's just be

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honest. I mean, that's the
feeling. That's the sentiment,

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be that many questions, did you
treat yourself our natural

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habitat of agriculture, and you
know, rural based, you bring us

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to the city, he snaps the jobs
often under us, you move them

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out, you limit our access to,
you know, funding to buy single

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family homes and homes in the
suburbs, why you're catering to

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other people. And they knew you
had the projects, but no man in

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it. I'm just saying, I mean,
like when you stack all those on

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top of each other, is very
fishy. But I mean, but we have

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to what I'm doing, explaining
how it became segregated in the

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first pleasure. Because if you
let people live where they want

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to live, people are naturally
gravitate to, you know, what's

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closest to your job where people
align with them, you know, and

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as, as Richard Rothstein said,
it we're an integrated

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communities without any stimulus
to be the beast. Oh,

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well, so and I'm sure we'll get
to it. What and what comes to

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mind is okay, let's just presume
people are good. But this was

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not in my backyard type of
thing. It's like, oh, you know,

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and obviously, kind of the
literal meaning of racist

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wishes, well, they're just less
than us, but we're gonna hook

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them up, we're gonna do good,
but we'll just let them do it

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over there. It's literally
racist. But at the time,

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probably just how they thought,
and I'm not trying to say it's

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correct.

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I would tell you, goggles, but
we're so close.

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We're gonna get there. Okay, so
sorry. All right, let's, let's

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get into Part Three,

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and the FHA in order to grant
the guarantees the four bank

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loans for these developers to
build giant developments, they

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never could have assembled the
capital to build a development

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with 10s of 1000s of homes in
one place. On their own, the

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Federal Housing Administration
gave him guaranteed bank loans

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on condition that they sell no
homes to African Americans, and

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indeed required that the deed if
every home and these

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developments include a clause
prohibiting resale or rental to

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African Americans. So there were
many, many other policies that

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the federal government followed
and state and local governments

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followed but these to the
Federal Housing Administration

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creations, the suburbs on a
white only basis, and the Public

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Works Administration and
success, succeeding housing

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agencies, concentrating African
Americans in central cities

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where they became poor and poor,
created the Metropolitan

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landscape that we see today. You
talk about the image that we

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have of African Americans, well,
white families, whites generally

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look at the way we've
concentrated African Americans,

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although they don't understand
that it was We Who concentrated

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them, we the government of the
country, they look at African

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Americans living in poverty,
without opportunity, and they

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assume that this is
characteristic of African

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Americans, rather than
understanding that this was the

450
00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:16,260
product of an explicit
government policy. Right on

451
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:18,359
your question, right?

452
00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:20,520
Sure. Does. Yeah, it does, does.

453
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,640
So you, you freeze these people
out of suburbs, saying no, you

454
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,970
can't sell the government now.
You can't sell them houses,

455
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,960
right? You know, the D dollar
has to stay white. And then you

456
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,660
have no jobs in these
communities. And then you

457
00:29:36,660 --> 00:29:41,850
overpopulate the projects, and
then don't offer the services

458
00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:45,780
like trash and those kinds of
things. It creates this image I

459
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:48,540
mean, to be honest with you
that's that's the imagery we

460
00:29:48,540 --> 00:29:51,060
have a third world countries
right? Yeah, just can't get

461
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:51,720
together.

462
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:54,600
I mean, that's, that's that's
unfortunately now happening in

463
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,050
every city across America with
people, you know, camping

464
00:29:58,050 --> 00:30:03,060
everywhere, same image, but What
To what end? So this, let's say

465
00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:09,000
this is a racist policy, it's
clearly a horrible setup. To

466
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,520
what end? What What was the
benefit to the people doing

467
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,370
this? What were they thinking
like, we'll just, they're here

468
00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:17,790
anyway, we can't, we can't
literally throw them overboard.

469
00:30:17,790 --> 00:30:21,300
So we'll just we'll just squish
him here is that what that was,

470
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,880
is creating the bottom, you have
to have a bottom and society

471
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,760
just like you have to have a
bottom in the world, right? We

472
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,170
take all of our jobs that we
don't want to be done here, a

473
00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:39,000
are not taught here to the land
like agriculture, but the making

474
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,050
of these dollar store toys and
these trinkets and cans over

475
00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:43,590
there. But

476
00:30:43,589 --> 00:30:47,489
this is a bottom with no job so
that it's not, it's not even a

477
00:30:47,489 --> 00:30:48,569
productive bottom.

478
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,620
Which made it easier for people
that look like let's see, we got

479
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:59,520
to go back to the killer was
when you're saying, Okay, we

480
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,130
need to create people that. And
this is an analogy I'll draw is

481
00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:10,680
like, if you're I'm a Cowboys
fan, right? Um, when I tell if I

482
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,210
was a true fan fanatic, I will
talk in terms we and us and did

483
00:31:15,210 --> 00:31:18,660
you see how we play yesterday?
And you know, we did pretty

484
00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:25,170
good. We sure that's how these
newly inducted whites were. It's

485
00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:29,610
like, yeah, letting them come
in. Be fans of the Wasp, you

486
00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:33,210
know, and portray themselves as
white. And they you know,

487
00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:35,040
they'll feel like they're part
of the team, but they're really

488
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,560
not, you know, they're really
not part of the team wink wink,

489
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,160
nod nod. And what it does is
build this buffer class, or the

490
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,560
mud steel, and we're going to
get there on another episode,

491
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,760
but it builds this buffer class
between the actual bottom and

492
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,300
the top.

493
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,859
Okay, yep. Now, we have been
saying that, yes, I agree.

494
00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:56,820
So, what I'm saying is,

495
00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:00,270
it's, it's everybody moving on
up, stepping on the person

496
00:32:00,270 --> 00:32:02,730
underneath. And if you don't
have someone to step on them

497
00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:03,390
find one.

498
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:08,160
Right, and the easiest way to
keep the bottom clearly defined

499
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,700
if you do offer skin color, and
so called Race.

500
00:32:11,819 --> 00:32:14,459
Yeah, that does make it kind of
easy, doesn't it?

501
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,470
Right. So this is the killer
Wasp at work. And it's like, oh,

502
00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:22,830
yeah, the Irish are we hated
them, but come on in that Talion

503
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:25,680
we hated them. But come on in
and now it's with the Hispanics,

504
00:32:25,890 --> 00:32:28,710
Hispanics, we hated them. But
now come on, in long as you can

505
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:34,410
portray the wipes the white, the
Wasp dashing definition of

506
00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:38,370
whiteness, their ideals, you
know, their principles, and all

507
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:41,010
those things. And those you
agree that the bottom has to

508
00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:44,250
stay the bottom, you can't help
the bottom. I mean, that that

509
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:47,820
will get your car revoked. I
know it sounds very sinister.

510
00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:51,930
But and it's not even this
subject, the key subject of this

511
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:57,420
episode, but we got to
understand how segregation

512
00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:03,570
happen, especially in major
cities. And what was the

513
00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:06,870
solution for it stop think we
stopped at three, we can go into

514
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:07,620
four. Now.

515
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:12,240
There were many, many African
Americans in the early 1950s,

516
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,420
late 1940s, who could have
afforded to buy those homes, the

517
00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:17,670
single family homes that the
governments were creating in

518
00:33:17,670 --> 00:33:23,220
places like Westlake and San
Lorenzo or others in this area

519
00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:25,440
and throughout the country.
Levittown is probably the best

520
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,550
example of eastern New York City
and well known, many African

521
00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:31,860
Americans could have afford to
buy those homes. They were very

522
00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:37,200
inexpensive. They were cost
about 789 $1,000 at the time,

523
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,640
that's about $100,000. In
today's money about twice

524
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,910
national median income, working
class families of either race

525
00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:48,000
because of afford to buy those
homes. African Americans were

526
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,050
prohibited from doing so
required to continue living in

527
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,560
urban areas renting apartments,
either in the public housing or

528
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,790
in private market. And whites
were subsidized the subsidy to

529
00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:03,120
whites was so great that they
could leave public housing which

530
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,930
as I said was not for poor
people at the time it was for

531
00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:09,720
working class families, they
could leave public housing and

532
00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:12,900
move into single family homes
and suburbs like Levittown, or

533
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:18,360
Westlake or San Lorenzo and pay
less than their monthly VA and

534
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,280
FHA mortgages and other housing
costs pay less for housing and

535
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,770
these single family homes than
they were paying for rent and

536
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:26,460
public housing.

537
00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:32,220
Yes, I recall some of this from
previous episodes.

538
00:34:32,849 --> 00:34:36,929
So we're comparing apples to
apples here. Man one black one

539
00:34:36,929 --> 00:34:42,539
white saying family kids same
income, but one had access to

540
00:34:42,539 --> 00:34:46,739
move to this nice neighborhood
subsidized by the government and

541
00:34:46,769 --> 00:34:49,919
other ones restricted I mean
completely restricted. So I

542
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:53,999
mean, I'm hoping I'm Lana's the
integration part I mean the

543
00:34:53,999 --> 00:34:57,779
segregation part out the
integration

544
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,140
which, which episode was it Just
for people's reference when we

545
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:04,200
talked about this specifically
about the homes not not being

546
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,500
allowed to sell the home then it
was on

547
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:10,380
the white white flag with the
white flight when I can't that

548
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:14,520
was white slice, don't think it
was white flight. But that, but

549
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,220
this is what Michelle Obama was
talking about in her in her

550
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:23,040
O'Brien's in the episode herself
of white flight. But yeah, this

551
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,150
is I don't want to harp on this
too long because like I said,

552
00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:31,740
this is not the key, but what
you're starting to do is

553
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:34,230
understand not you, because
you've been doing the work

554
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:35,850
you've been about the business
of doing the work.

555
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:38,910
Thank you. Thanks for
acknowledging me.

556
00:35:42,570 --> 00:35:47,370
Now, what it does is if you've
got all this pressure, I'm what

557
00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:50,610
I'm doing is building this
ecology of the person that will

558
00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:55,230
take the deal of integration. If
you've been suppressed and you

559
00:35:55,230 --> 00:35:59,550
know, oppressed and forced to
live in these not so great

560
00:35:59,550 --> 00:36:03,840
conditions. It's either go back
to their mind, I'm just trying

561
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,900
to make make everybody human
here, right? It's either go back

562
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:12,870
to the south where it is
visible, oppressive racism, like

563
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:18,660
Jim Crow, or if I stand north, I
had to stay where it's not

564
00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:22,680
segregated by, you know, your
shear wheel to work. It's just

565
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,680
like, oh, all the blacks nothing
together. So you have criminal

566
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,950
blacks, you have low class
blacks, you have, you know, all

567
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:32,070
these working class and middle
income, and middle income

568
00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:37,140
blacks. Um, so now I'm just
setting up how integration

569
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:41,340
sounded like a good idea on its
face value when you get the

570
00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:45,540
chance to move out, but there's
always a catch. But before we

571
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:49,290
move there, let's wrap up with
the last clip, clip from Richard

572
00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:50,550
Rothstein. Number five.

573
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,350
So we created the situation and
African American neighborhoods

574
00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:59,100
became more and more
overcrowded. As well as

575
00:36:59,130 --> 00:37:02,250
depressed because of lack of
employment opportunities more

576
00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:04,830
and more overcrowded, because
they were restricted and where

577
00:37:04,830 --> 00:37:07,290
they could move. There were no
opportunities outside urban

578
00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:10,740
areas. As they became more
overcrowded conditions

579
00:37:10,740 --> 00:37:15,180
deteriorated in the communities.
City services typically declined

580
00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:19,560
at that point, less garbage
collection, they became slums.

581
00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:22,320
And whites looked at these
communities and decided that

582
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,830
African Americans were slum
dwellers, and therefore should

583
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:29,280
be avoided. But this was all the
product of government policy,

584
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,460
this was not something that
happened naturally, it was not

585
00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:35,190
something that happened by
accident. It was not, as we

586
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:39,270
commonly think, something de
facto, it was a legal creation,

587
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:42,450
just as the desegregation of
schools or the segregation of

588
00:37:42,450 --> 00:37:47,310
restaurants, was segregation of
transportation was done by

589
00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:49,170
government in the 20th century.

590
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:52,050
Bastards, I tell you, where they
think,

591
00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:57,180
some guy he made that point, and
it's gonna come out later, but

592
00:37:57,180 --> 00:38:00,690
what we have to look at is
people that say, Okay, we want

593
00:38:00,690 --> 00:38:02,850
to separate but equal because
there's gonna be a big part of

594
00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:09,150
the show two people are saying
separate, we're equal. What that

595
00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:12,540
what the thing is, I want it to
be integrated with opportunity

596
00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:18,270
to these loans, opportunity to
gi bills, opportunity to have

597
00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:24,150
the same schools. So if you're
going to build two schools, one

598
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:26,070
for black children, one for
white children, they should be

599
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:32,790
identical. Right? But that's not
how the separate but equal idea,

600
00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:37,350
you know, and legislation played
out. So it's not that we want it

601
00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:42,810
to I had this conversation with
my mother. And this is kind of

602
00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:45,090
what episode it was kind of
brewing after I had this

603
00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:46,110
conversation with her,

604
00:38:46,139 --> 00:38:50,189
okay. You gotta promise me do
your mom's voice otherwise, it

605
00:38:50,189 --> 00:38:53,699
just doesn't work for me.
Please,

606
00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,700
I was like, Manuel, I said, What
was your thinking? I was like,

607
00:38:57,660 --> 00:39:02,010
the white paws that sweeter
white coffee that hotter? And

608
00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:04,860
she said, ciao, you know, we
just wanted to be seen as

609
00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:08,940
humans. And I'm like, I can get
it. You know, I mean, so it was

610
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:15,390
more of not wanting to be in the
restaurant but allowed to go in

611
00:39:15,390 --> 00:39:17,610
there. You know, they didn't
want to be restricted. So I

612
00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:21,540
think Miss, we oversimplify with
this rule word counter. And it's

613
00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:24,960
like, they were just dying to
get a piece of that pie. Or you

614
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,370
know, literally are dying to get
a cup of coffee. It was more on

615
00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:34,980
human see me. And really the
bigger conversation was, he was

616
00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:38,400
the trade off. And this is where
this is rocket sinister. And

617
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,120
just just in my mind, because
just how we just set it up to

618
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,480
all this has been government
sanction. So in my mind, they

619
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,980
said, Okay, you want the white
school and no white books. You

620
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:53,280
got to take the white teachers
along with it. It wasn't that

621
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,210
and then I say this because my
dad was his last year of school

622
00:39:57,210 --> 00:40:00,510
was his first year integration.
So imagining Coming up. Now

623
00:40:00,510 --> 00:40:04,290
narcissists tell these things,
but Miss misses my perspective,

624
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:09,720
right? And it's kind of I went
to school for 1112 years, we're

625
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,020
all black people didn't use
wanna thrust me into this

626
00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:17,430
integration experiment, right?
When you could just easily bring

627
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:21,000
a load of books over here. You
know, bring your cat couple of

628
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,440
cans of paint over here.

629
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:27,420
That goes to separate but equal
that just ended right there and

630
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:30,210
said, Okay, separate but equal,
but not at our place.

631
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,840
Right, which a lot of black
people at that time didn't want

632
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,560
to go to white schools, no
matter how they make it seem

633
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,860
like, oh, we wanted to be bused.
Or, you know, we you know, and

634
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:46,890
this is where imagery and
narrative come in. You know,

635
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,230
I've always speak about the
little girl carrying her books

636
00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:52,440
and white people on both sides
on both files, is yelling and

637
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,130
screaming. It's like, why would
I want to put my child through

638
00:40:56,130 --> 00:41:01,110
that? You know, but, I mean,
that's the narrative. And I know

639
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:05,430
I'm dragging out. And this is
where the narrative got picked

640
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:09,240
up by the media. And this is a
throwback clip from show 12

641
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:12,300
media MLK and civil rights
movement.

642
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,320
As a story, the Civil Rights
Movement had it all. Good versus

643
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:24,570
drama, social upheaval. But at
first America's major media

644
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,910
ignored it, especially in the
South.

645
00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:32,400
It was our responsibility to
find a way to dramatize the

646
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,450
issue here was

647
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:36,660
Congressman John Lewis says that
the movements leaders realized

648
00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:41,040
to bring change, they needed to
reach white Americans. How did

649
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,580
you do that?

650
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:48,120
As a movement? We literally put
our bodies on the line, you have

651
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,280
influence on the Civil Rights
coverage,

652
00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:54,210
Hank, klibanoff co wrote the
race be a book about the media

653
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,600
and the movement? Well, race was
a big story in the south

654
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,350
beginning in the 40s and 50s.
It's just that no one knew about

655
00:42:01,350 --> 00:42:06,090
it. Finally, by 1957, major
northern newspapers discover the

656
00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:08,940
drama and the story. How do you
feel about integrated

657
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:12,270
passengers, the television
networks followed, even major

658
00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:16,830
southern media paid attention to
the open hatred, you got to keep

659
00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:20,370
the white and the black set and
the violent response to peaceful

660
00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:20,970
protests?

661
00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:25,710
If you're gonna beat us, beat us
in the light of day, beat us

662
00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:26,820
weather cameras on

663
00:42:27,089 --> 00:42:32,459
on gov. This was Selma, Alabama,
1960 Pa. Among the bloodied John

664
00:42:32,459 --> 00:42:33,059
Lewis,

665
00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:37,920
American people could not stand
it to see young children. And

666
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,450
all women been knocked down by
fire hoses and chased by police

667
00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:42,900
stole.

668
00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:47,910
Yeah, nice story, as I said in
the beginning of the clip, nice

669
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:48,540
story.

670
00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:51,330
But as I said, they had it all,
you know, and he even said we

671
00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:58,740
had to dramatize. So this is
where people with a certain

672
00:42:58,740 --> 00:43:02,010
motive. And they were being
steered, I believe being

673
00:43:02,010 --> 00:43:07,410
steered, I'm gonna allow some
evidence here. That integration

674
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,580
wasn't really demand that black
people were making. This is all

675
00:43:11,610 --> 00:43:15,660
this is completely all
narrative, if I truly believe

676
00:43:15,690 --> 00:43:18,660
I've talked to enough older
black people, and that will say,

677
00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:21,090
hey, we could have went to
schools and had the same books

678
00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:25,380
and chalking, at least it was
parity, they're not even if it

679
00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:28,980
was the same books, but Okay,
our books is like a couple of

680
00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:32,520
years older than their addition.
My dad used to say they used to

681
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,660
have to go to school and piece
together books, just so they had

682
00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:41,820
proper materials, the start of
school year with so I mean,

683
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,700
what, okay, let me explain to
you what I'm doing here on China

684
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:50,730
diffuse. And we always talk
about the wars, right? It's the

685
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:54,270
gender war, the race war and the
generational war. And this one

686
00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:59,220
right here is an inter racial
intra racial war between the

687
00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:01,650
generations because the younger
people look at the output not

688
00:44:01,650 --> 00:44:05,700
use stupid to get spin on a hit
in the head for a cup of coffee

689
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:08,100
and a slice of pie. I mean,
that's what they bought it down

690
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:09,030
to know.

691
00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:12,210
Well, that's what the younger
generation perhaps has been

692
00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:15,750
taught in school through other
ways. You know, through the

693
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:18,270
through the stories they've been
told the way it went down

694
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,160
the stories by who?

695
00:44:21,389 --> 00:44:23,369
about slavery and

696
00:44:23,909 --> 00:44:27,029
that's that by who by who not
about but by who's telling the

697
00:44:27,029 --> 00:44:33,359
story, the media led to show the
show off the clips I played

698
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:36,719
right today with Calvin Baker.
Right. He's just coming in to

699
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,969
write another story. Not facts,
not proof. I mean, this is what

700
00:44:41,969 --> 00:44:47,129
Richard Rothstein is peatland,
not proof. Um, the other

701
00:44:47,129 --> 00:44:51,569
gentleman is named Jerome
Bennett. He's laying out proof,

702
00:44:51,779 --> 00:44:55,439
but he's like, no, no, no, no,
no. We have to indoctrinate the

703
00:44:55,439 --> 00:45:00,689
children to believe that these
mean white people Not the

704
00:45:00,689 --> 00:45:03,959
government, but the citizens
want it segregation,

705
00:45:03,989 --> 00:45:08,639
right? That America was
inherently a bunch of bad

706
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,429
Fockers, they were just bad
people, we'd had nothing good in

707
00:45:11,429 --> 00:45:11,909
mind.

708
00:45:13,230 --> 00:45:15,450
Right? And then average white
person is my I'm just going to

709
00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:19,920
work in meetings, you know, live
my life. So and but then the

710
00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:22,830
younger black people look at the
older black people's like, shut

711
00:45:22,830 --> 00:45:25,650
up, Boomer, you say you were
dumb enough to oh, we could have

712
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:30,450
had our own schools. What I'm
doing is die fusing, and

713
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:35,190
unpacking this narrative. So we
can move forward, in fact, kind

714
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:37,170
of quite how it was laid out
quite the

715
00:45:37,170 --> 00:45:42,870
opposite to what to what we
heard earlier. With Baker, two

716
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:46,380
generations, if you if you don't
stop this, if you let it go on

717
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:49,110
for the two generations, for
everyone to integrate it yet.

718
00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:52,680
It's only gonna get two
generations worse exponentially.

719
00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:55,200
Because that's what we're
seeing. It's like, boom, boom,

720
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,050
boom, boom, all the way through
the generations now and it winds

721
00:45:58,050 --> 00:46:01,380
up with what you boomers were
stupid, what the next generation

722
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:02,400
will be even worse.

723
00:46:03,090 --> 00:46:06,270
And then we have this super
weapon called social media.

724
00:46:06,270 --> 00:46:09,720
Yeah. I mean, we're talking
about television here. Yeah.

725
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:13,440
Back in the 60s with the media.
Now you take this super weapon,

726
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:16,050
and loaded the net and load that
super weapon up with this

727
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:20,790
narrative. And we're gonna be
what? That's what this Facebook

728
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:23,490
show was talking about. And
something I miss from that

729
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:26,250
Facebook show. I mean, not
Facebook, excuse me Netflix

730
00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:26,610
show.

731
00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:30,540
I mean, social media. Yeah, the
social. The social dilemma.

732
00:46:31,409 --> 00:46:36,869
Yeah, social dilemma is casting
spells. Yes, they actually use

733
00:46:36,869 --> 00:46:41,189
that terminology, in which, oh,
no, SIBO show, we lay that out,

734
00:46:41,189 --> 00:46:51,809
you know, we were from the
future do. Um, so what we got to

735
00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:57,479
do now is, I spoke about how
black people started voting,

736
00:46:58,229 --> 00:47:04,409
democratically. And that was
with Nixon and JFK and JFK, Bill

737
00:47:04,409 --> 00:47:07,499
and Nixon. Now, you know, that
kind of thing. But it was a

738
00:47:07,499 --> 00:47:12,299
piece of the story I left out on
the cutting room floor. So this

739
00:47:12,299 --> 00:47:14,669
is kind of like a throwback
clip, because it's from the same

740
00:47:14,669 --> 00:47:18,479
piece, but we didn't really
examine this portion of it. And

741
00:47:18,479 --> 00:47:22,199
this is Jeffrey Frank, a senior
editor at the New York at the

742
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:27,449
New Yorker. And he wrote the
book, I can dig a portrait of

743
00:47:27,449 --> 00:47:30,809
strained political marriage. So
he's gonna speak about Richard

744
00:47:30,809 --> 00:47:32,039
Nixon MLK,

745
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,980
and it was devastating. The most
devastating thing of all for

746
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:37,410
Nixon, by the way, was it was an
act of cowardice when doctrine

747
00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:42,030
productive King was arrested on
a totally trumped up charge, and

748
00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:44,850
put in a paddy wagon and in
chains to be taken to Roseville

749
00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:48,030
prison in Georgia. Coretta Scott
King called both campaigns, the

750
00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:50,040
Kennedy campaign and Nixon
campaign. So would you please

751
00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:53,700
help get him out? There was the
violence against African

752
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:56,430
Americans in the South in
Georgia. That was horrible. And

753
00:47:56,430 --> 00:47:59,550
she really thought he was going
to be killed. And Kennedy,

754
00:47:59,970 --> 00:48:03,090
Kennedy, people stepped up and
Nixon's Nixon told his advisers

755
00:48:03,090 --> 00:48:04,860
that I would just be
grandstanding to interfere with

756
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:08,460
the legal process and King, it
was it. King later said that he

757
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:10,410
had, you know, we were in touch
we were I thought we were

758
00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:15,840
friends. And he was it's a real
moral, real moral lapse. And,

759
00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:19,740
and if and if Nixon had done it,
it Kennedy was sitting down with

760
00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:25,350
the candidate to send out a
campaign flyer that said, no

761
00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:28,530
comment Nixon versus the
candidate with a heart and that,

762
00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:33,090
and if if Nixon had carried the
black vote, and he probably he

763
00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:36,240
still got 32% of the black vote,
unlike when they when they went,

764
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,690
Republicans get like 2% of the
black vote, but he would have

765
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:42,000
won, he would have won probably
would have won at least at least

766
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,070
two more states and everything
would have changed and

767
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:51,180
wow. Yeah. Hey, it's a question
about this. Who was this again?

768
00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:51,930
Who was speaking?

769
00:48:52,889 --> 00:48:56,159
That's Geoffrey Frank. He's a
senior editor at the New Yorker.

770
00:48:56,580 --> 00:49:00,210
You know, I was just listening
to his cadence, you know,

771
00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:03,660
something that I learned from
Dvorak, I guess, and no agenda.

772
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,510
But listen to how he spoke. He
sounds eerily like John Brennan,

773
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:13,980
the head of the CIA, the same
Katie, that was wondering to see

774
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:18,540
Cain and Ceman. That guy might
be a spook, or hang out with

775
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:18,780
him.

776
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:27,660
Well, if he was, Well, speaking
of spooks, okay. Yeah. And what

777
00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:30,630
we mean by that spies, we don't
want to trigger anybody. I mean,

778
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:31,500
because that could be taken

779
00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:36,300
the option of spy spookier

780
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,880
spies. I know we have to do that
though. Because we might have

781
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,050
some new listeners and we don't
want to, you know, trigger. But

782
00:49:44,610 --> 00:49:47,430
it's funny you bring that up
because that made me start to

783
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:51,060
think when I heard this clip
again. I said why would MLK

784
00:49:51,060 --> 00:49:55,230
think that him and Nixon were
friends. That's I mean, that's,

785
00:49:55,890 --> 00:49:59,040
that's, that's a stretch like,
No, you're just meeting somebody

786
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,280
and you're talking about
policies or possible political

787
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,820
workings? They say he thought
that him and Nick's good friend

788
00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:10,440
now we know, daddy King Martin
Luther King senior. You're

789
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,040
saying that had strong ties to
the Republican Party, right? But

790
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,270
it was just like how well how
did Nixon and King King Jr, meet

791
00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:21,960
softhearted started doing some
digging, as I always do. And one

792
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,840
thing I always say will tell
Adam and just let people inside

793
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,130
baseball. I said, the longer he
gives me to prepare, the better

794
00:50:29,130 --> 00:50:31,200
show will be so this is why

795
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,680
I always say take a month mode,
do whatever you want to go. You

796
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,900
just tell me when to show up.
We're good.

797
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:43,199
So on this little piece, this
little nugget, MLK Nixon won.

798
00:50:43,530 --> 00:50:48,390
This photo of MLK and Richard
Nixon was once taboo. Now see it

799
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:53,430
in Tampa by Maggie Duffy Tampa
Bay Times, January 17 2020.

800
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:57,120
Griffith J. Davis saw the
historic moment happened and

801
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,840
clicked his camera. Dr. Martin
Luther King Jr. Emerging civil

802
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,050
rights leader fresh off the
Montgomery bus boycotts was

803
00:51:04,050 --> 00:51:07,800
talking to then Vice President
Richard Nixon. They were flanked

804
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,820
by their wives Coretta Scott
King and Patricia Nixon. It was

805
00:51:11,820 --> 00:51:16,710
March 1957. Newly independent
Ghana was celebrating with

806
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:20,670
ceremonies and its capital,
Accra. Nixon was there leading

807
00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:24,690
the official US delegation,
Ghana's Prime Minister, Kwame

808
00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:29,700
Nkrumah invited the Kings Davis,
an African American audiovisual

809
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:33,090
officer for the US Foreign
Service stationed in Africa had

810
00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:36,210
been sent to document Nixon's
first visit to the continent.

811
00:51:36,690 --> 00:51:40,470
During their talk, Nixon invited
Dr. King to Washington DC to

812
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:43,770
discuss the civil rights
movement. But fears ran high

813
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:47,100
that the image could increase
the tension of race relations.

814
00:51:47,250 --> 00:51:50,430
This meeting would have been too
volatile to have taken place in

815
00:51:50,430 --> 00:51:53,280
the United States, according to
the US Department of State's

816
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,970
website, Share America and the
photo was not published there at

817
00:51:56,970 --> 00:52:00,810
the time. The photo is being
publicly displayed for the first

818
00:52:00,810 --> 00:52:04,680
time in Tampa as part of the
exhibition grift Davis and

819
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:10,140
Langston Hughes letters and
photographs. 1947 To 1967 global

820
00:52:10,140 --> 00:52:10,680
friendship

821
00:52:13,050 --> 00:52:18,360
global friendship, this guy
Griffin J. Davis. I'm like who

822
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,660
is this? I never heard of him
before black black men are so

823
00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:23,040
called black man. He doesn't
even have

824
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:26,580
a wiki page. He's got a lot of
archives of photos but

825
00:52:27,929 --> 00:52:33,179
Right, right, and they said in
there he was a foreign officer

826
00:52:33,179 --> 00:52:38,789
foreign civil officer. He worked
with an NSA ID.

827
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:44,250
Which, you know, USA ID

828
00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:47,940
basically USA. Yes, USA ID,
which I've heard you mentioned

829
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:48,480
before. Yeah.

830
00:52:48,509 --> 00:52:53,729
Which is essentially the payment
channel for the CIA that they're

831
00:52:53,759 --> 00:53:00,359
closely related. USA ID. They're
the money guy did the bad guys

832
00:53:00,359 --> 00:53:04,019
for bag isn't big for anything
that needs to be done.

833
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,730
So as they laid this story out,
and it was read by James

834
00:53:08,730 --> 00:53:16,200
Jennifer, thank you, Jane. Yes,
I'm Jane. Um, as she as she read

835
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,280
what was written in think as the
Tampa Bay Times, I believe. That

836
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,880
was all he was just had Griffin
J. Davis just happened to be

837
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,670
there and snap the picture that
captured this meeting between

838
00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:31,980
MLK and Nixon. Well, I've had to
go and dig up on the history of

839
00:53:31,980 --> 00:53:35,760
Mr. Griffin J. Davis. Yeah.
Griffin J. Davis one.

840
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,560
I'm Dorothy Davis. I'm the
daughter of Griffith J. Davis, a

841
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,510
pioneer African American
photographer, journalist and

842
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:50,580
diplomat, slash US Foreign
Service officer. I'm here to

843
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:54,570
tell you a bit about his work.
But more importantly, I want you

844
00:53:54,570 --> 00:53:58,080
to focus on the stories that he
told through these different

845
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,480
lenses. My father was born in
Atlanta, Georgia, literally on

846
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,800
the campus of Morehouse College.
He ultimately graduated from

847
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,030
Morehouse College, he went to
World War Two, he was a Buffalo

848
00:54:12,030 --> 00:54:17,940
Soldier in Italy. And he was a
photographer there. Okay.

849
00:54:19,139 --> 00:54:22,799
Now Griffin, J. Davis is even
one that most interested me and

850
00:54:22,799 --> 00:54:26,609
that we never heard of, which we
should hear of, or maybe he's on

851
00:54:26,609 --> 00:54:30,299
the up and up. Or there's
something very nefarious about

852
00:54:31,139 --> 00:54:37,259
him just being being around. I
don't

853
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:41,340
care what you say Mo. A guy like
this has no wiki page. That's a

854
00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:41,970
problem.

855
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,320
Oh, let me let me add to that.
Now this is a writing from his

856
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,980
son. It says from a personal
perspective, David's parents

857
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:54,450
knew Dr. King and his father has
been had been at the original

858
00:54:54,450 --> 00:54:59,640
1963 March on Washington and
Selma and 1965. Okay, so this

859
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,930
guy's Griffin de j. Griffin J.
Davis is popping up. Now he's

860
00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:06,750
working for the government. But
he's popping up at the marshal

861
00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:09,780
in Washington and Selma. They
said during a conference

862
00:55:10,050 --> 00:55:14,940
presentation, Davis shared rare
photos of Dr. King taking a

863
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:19,170
night in the 1950s by his
father. It sounds like this guy

864
00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:23,130
was either. And he goes, he was
at Morehouse at the same time.

865
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,170
That King was there after coming
back for work. After being in

866
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:30,900
the military for a while, he
comes back tomorrow and she even

867
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:33,900
said he was born at Morehouse.
Let's not forget Rockefeller

868
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:41,340
Fund at Morehouse. Yeah, I'm
like, Who was this guy to snatch

869
00:55:41,340 --> 00:55:45,270
this, this historic picture? But
then they don't show it until

870
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:51,000
2020. It just doesn't make
sense. It doesn't make it makes

871
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,570
all the sense to me. But it
doesn't make sense. Right? That,

872
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,150
like you say, everybody has a
wiki page. Yeah, this guy

873
00:56:00,150 --> 00:56:00,570
doesn't.

874
00:56:00,660 --> 00:56:05,190
Yeah. And this is and I actually
Griffis davis.com. That's

875
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:07,290
probably where you got the link
to the Tampa Bay Times. I'm

876
00:56:07,290 --> 00:56:09,120
putting that in the show. I'm
just putting stuff in the show

877
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,510
notes. And yeah, that is, that
is a great picture, by the way.

878
00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:16,620
That is a great trick. Who else
is there? And that's correct.

879
00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:17,160
Okay.

880
00:56:18,330 --> 00:56:19,650
Yeah, gotcha. Wow.

881
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:24,300
That came out January 1 of 2020.
I think

882
00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:30,840
it just came out January 7. So
people think recovery history

883
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,430
here. And now we're on Earth in
New Earth this miss up the new.

884
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:39,600
And it was how I want to remind
people that we're not talking

885
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,800
about MLK the person this this
get this clear. We're talking

886
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,990
about MLK the product that how
he's used by the media, as a

887
00:56:48,990 --> 00:56:52,920
trigger as totos, Bach conquista
Judah one foot for

888
00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:56,640
the Caucasian liberals have a
lot invested in the image of

889
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,930
Martin Luther King. Martin
Luther King is a trigger that

890
00:57:00,930 --> 00:57:03,780
they use to control American
blacks. Remember, remember,

891
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:06,540
whenever American blacks start
to get out of control, they

892
00:57:06,540 --> 00:57:10,410
bring up Martin Luther King.
Because that's how they rein you

893
00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:14,130
in. You got to be more like Dr.
King, you have to follow his

894
00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:17,910
message. Right? You have to want
to be with me, you have to want

895
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:21,960
to hold my hand. Once again,
Martin Luther King was a pawn of

896
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,590
the globalists, they utilize him
to bring you black people into

897
00:57:25,590 --> 00:57:32,190
the fold of globalism, aka
Luciferianism. The economic

898
00:57:32,190 --> 00:57:35,250
system of Luciferianism is
communism.

899
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:42,510
So here's the question, though.
So this is clearly clearly been

900
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:46,260
put out for a reason. I don't
think it's just like, Oh, my we

901
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:51,600
found this. But what's the
benefit of Richard Nixon? Who

902
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,530
does that benefit?

903
00:57:53,969 --> 00:57:56,519
I don't know. And I don't know
who's pulling the strings here.

904
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:01,859
And what it seems like here is
it to me and this is just my,

905
00:58:01,889 --> 00:58:07,829
just my, what I took away from
I'm still processing this. It

906
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:14,129
seems like you had Griffin J.
Griffin. J. Davis was like, Hey,

907
00:58:14,129 --> 00:58:17,189
you keep an eye on King, you
know, make sure he's no, he's

908
00:58:17,189 --> 00:58:21,329
not getting around to me
radicals. Um, that kind of

909
00:58:21,329 --> 00:58:25,319
thing. And you know, when he
shows up with Nixon, and that's

910
00:58:25,319 --> 00:58:28,619
more a king we can work with
inside the parameters of

911
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:33,329
capitalism and Americanism, and
not that communist mess that

912
00:58:33,329 --> 00:58:39,689
you're being persuaded with. And
I think that Griffin J. Davis

913
00:58:39,689 --> 00:58:44,729
kind of lost probably lost his
asset. I mean, in a way, because

914
00:58:44,729 --> 00:58:47,879
you know, he was I'm sure he
was, you know, a Morehouse guy.

915
00:58:47,879 --> 00:58:51,629
He's a Morehouse guy. Hey, bro,
you know, me kind of thing. You

916
00:58:51,629 --> 00:58:56,849
know, the Boulais thing. Yeah,
but but I think that that's how

917
00:58:56,849 --> 00:59:01,919
he was making and then now, when
you have Republicans interested

918
00:59:01,919 --> 00:59:04,769
in the black vote again, this
Nixon story pops up. I don't

919
00:59:04,769 --> 00:59:10,979
know where. Yeah. This is this
is I'm just taking it. I mean, I

920
00:59:10,979 --> 00:59:11,219
know

921
00:59:11,219 --> 00:59:14,339
it's, I love this and I'm just
I'm just looking at this. Oh,

922
00:59:14,339 --> 00:59:18,539
his daughter put it out. She's
the one that founded the Griffin

923
00:59:18,569 --> 00:59:21,989
Griffith J. Davis. Archives.

924
00:59:22,530 --> 00:59:26,130
Yeah, she was the one speaking
in and video as well. Um, the

925
00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:28,770
last clip that we played right
before the Chronicle, Judas

926
00:59:28,770 --> 00:59:28,950
went,

927
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:29,850
Yeah, so

928
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,750
it's obviously King, daddy King,
and mixing the head their

929
00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:40,980
relationship but Kenny became
through and got him out in a

930
00:59:40,980 --> 00:59:43,260
pinch, you know, when he was in
a pinch, and I think Nixon just

931
00:59:43,260 --> 00:59:46,860
didn't want to be bothered with
it because like, who get 30 40%

932
00:59:46,860 --> 00:59:49,410
of the black vote and just look
how divided the black vote with

933
00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:53,580
men. Right? Even then, I mean,
Republicans got 30% and

934
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:57,630
Democrats got 60% Even after
getting King on Office. So I

935
00:59:57,630 --> 01:00:01,500
mean, just showing you so now we
have to Look at the relationship

936
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,080
between what we're doing here
we're building how they get to

937
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,740
integration. And we've seen the
media picked up on the story.

938
01:00:08,010 --> 01:00:18,960
And now the Kennedys see MLK as
a viable resource. So I want to

939
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,470
get into a little background on
the gentleman who's gonna be

940
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:26,280
speaking next. And that's Mr.
Glenn Ford, and this is his bio.

941
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:30,389
Now joining us to talk about
Kennedy is Glenn Ford. Glenn is

942
01:00:30,389 --> 01:00:34,019
the executive editor of Black
Agenda Report. He was the

943
01:00:34,019 --> 01:00:36,539
founder and host of America's
Black Forum, the first

944
01:00:36,539 --> 01:00:39,449
nationally syndicated black news
interview show on commercial

945
01:00:39,449 --> 01:00:43,559
television. He's also the author
of The Big Lie and analysis of

946
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:46,679
US media coverage of the Grenada
invasion. Thanks very much for

947
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:47,549
joining us again, Glenn.

948
01:00:47,879 --> 01:00:50,459
Oh, man, that's another thing I
need to look at the Grenada

949
01:00:50,459 --> 01:00:52,919
invasion. Thanks for reminding
me.

950
01:00:53,219 --> 01:00:57,809
Well, this is where we got to be
careful about color and colorism

951
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:01,559
and, you know, saying who's
black and not black? Because

952
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:07,649
when you see Mr. Glen Ford, he's
very fair skinned. But all his

953
01:01:07,649 --> 01:01:10,139
life he even though he's a
Marxist, I mean, he's self

954
01:01:10,139 --> 01:01:13,649
proclaimed Marxist. But he's not
a cultural Marxists, like the

955
01:01:13,649 --> 01:01:17,309
people of today. He's like the
old school Marxist, which I

956
01:01:17,309 --> 01:01:19,739
mean, we disagree on that
ideology. You know, I'm a

957
01:01:19,739 --> 01:01:23,219
capitalist, and in the true
sense of it, not the corporatist

958
01:01:23,219 --> 01:01:26,309
form that we have now. But if
you can buy one for sale for

959
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:31,229
two, best man wins kind of
thing. Um, with that said, he

960
01:01:31,229 --> 01:01:34,949
gets into this notion that
Kennedy brothers thought that

961
01:01:34,949 --> 01:01:38,339
the civil rights movement was a
nuisance, as best

962
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:41,819
showing a paint a picture and
your view of the world as

963
01:01:42,089 --> 01:01:44,819
Kennedy campaigns and becomes
president.

964
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:50,100
Well, you know, it's generally
understood that 1960s, the year

965
01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:55,350
that blacks of the Democratic
Party got a lock on the black

966
01:01:55,380 --> 01:02:00,630
vote, many people seem to think
that happened just by magic,

967
01:02:00,660 --> 01:02:04,950
because of the Kennedy charm or
because the Kennedys were such a

968
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,100
quintessential liberals. And of
course, they were not. But it's

969
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:13,770
much more more complicated than
that, although the black voter

970
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,850
had been leaning democratic in
those places where blacks could

971
01:02:17,850 --> 01:02:22,500
vote since Roosevelt's era, many
blacks were still Republicans,

972
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,060
and the Democratic Party was
still weighted down with the

973
01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:33,330
Dixiecrats, the racist Democrats
from the south. And in 1952 and

974
01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:37,800
1956, when at least Stephens
Stevenson was running for

975
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,610
president as the as the
Democrat, that didn't change and

976
01:02:41,610 --> 01:02:45,300
the National Party did not
distance itself from an

977
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:52,890
increasingly vocal and racist
and white power structure down

978
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:53,370
there.

979
01:02:53,790 --> 01:03:00,000
So the Kennedys, you know, they
saw MLK for what he was a way to

980
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,720
make inroads with the black
vote, right. And the funny thing

981
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,280
is now, it's like we're at the
complete opposite of the

982
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,190
spectrum. You had two
Republicans who pretty much had

983
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:16,260
the black vote. And they took it
for granted, and it hurt him.

984
01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:19,890
Now, in 2020, you have the
Democrats who have the black

985
01:03:19,890 --> 01:03:23,010
vote, and they're taking it for
granted. Something like that.

986
01:03:23,010 --> 01:03:26,430
We're all saying someone can
easily swoop in with some kind

987
01:03:26,430 --> 01:03:31,500
of deal. Yep. So kind of
gesture, and and destabilize

988
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:31,830
that.

989
01:03:33,420 --> 01:03:35,700
So well, Marianne Williamson
tried.

990
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,510
Which I will say again, Marianne
Williamson's plan sounds a lot

991
01:03:42,510 --> 01:03:43,500
like Trump's plan.

992
01:03:43,889 --> 01:03:46,499
It's the same amount of money
now it's just number he put it

993
01:03:46,499 --> 01:03:48,989
he put a platinum or platinum
sticker on it.

994
01:03:49,889 --> 01:03:52,529
Yeah, he put it you put the
platinum on it. And I want to

995
01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:55,739
say one more thing. 1957 is
going to be a key year because

996
01:03:55,739 --> 01:03:59,369
let's think back, that's when
Nixon and MLK met. So it seemed

997
01:03:59,369 --> 01:04:01,859
like they were grooming this
relationship for three years.

998
01:04:01,859 --> 01:04:04,739
And that's probably why MLK was
like, Dude, you're gonna leave

999
01:04:04,739 --> 01:04:10,229
me Leave me hanging in jail. And
so when the candies came along,

1000
01:04:10,499 --> 01:04:14,279
he's like, I gotta get out of
jail, because let's be clear,

1001
01:04:14,579 --> 01:04:18,449
his life was in danger. Yeah,
being in jail. I mean, you could

1002
01:04:18,449 --> 01:04:24,029
wake up dead very easily in jail
where he was in Georgia. Um, but

1003
01:04:24,029 --> 01:04:27,539
let's get into Kennedy brothers
to

1004
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:33,840
in 1957. With the desegregation
of Central High School in Little

1005
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,460
Rock, Arkansas, something really
extraordinary happened. Crowds

1006
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:45,450
of 1000s of white folks, many of
them, women tried to block the

1007
01:04:45,450 --> 01:04:48,750
integration of the school. They
scream, they hollered, they

1008
01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:52,350
threatened, they cursed and all
of that was done in front of

1009
01:04:52,350 --> 01:04:56,250
national television cameras, a
very, very embarrassing

1010
01:04:56,250 --> 01:04:59,370
situation for the President of
the United States who was trying

1011
01:04:59,370 --> 01:05:05,070
to a I project the US in
opposition to Soviet competition

1012
01:05:05,310 --> 01:05:11,520
as being such a liberal place to
live and the home of democracy

1013
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,950
and the land of the brave and
such. And it was very

1014
01:05:13,950 --> 01:05:18,930
embarrassing. So Eisenhower sent
in troops to Little Rock in

1015
01:05:18,930 --> 01:05:24,150
1957. And this had a tremendous
impact on black public opinion.

1016
01:05:24,330 --> 01:05:28,740
Because this was the first time
since Reconstruction, that the

1017
01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:32,970
federal government had
intervened on the side of black

1018
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:40,020
people. Eisenhower's stock went
up in black America, sky high.

1019
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:45,990
And so as we move into the 1960,
presidential election, there was

1020
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:49,440
great fear among the Democrats,
you know, it's going to be a

1021
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,940
very tight race. That Holy Nixon
Eisenhower was vice president

1022
01:05:53,970 --> 01:05:58,770
now hitting the ticket may
inherit some of that tremendous

1023
01:05:58,770 --> 01:06:03,960
goodwill that Eisenhower got,
because of his intervention in

1024
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:07,050
Little Rock. In 1957,

1025
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,790
ah, you know, nothing good ever
comes out a little rock. Always

1026
01:06:11,790 --> 01:06:16,650
troubled Little Rock. Amazing.
Amazing.

1027
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:19,410
I have some of the best barbecue
I've ever had in my life from

1028
01:06:19,410 --> 01:06:19,830
Little Rock.

1029
01:06:21,449 --> 01:06:25,289
Little Rock, you know, it's just
this weird mass. Like there's

1030
01:06:25,289 --> 01:06:27,629
just some notable things that
happened there.

1031
01:06:29,219 --> 01:06:35,639
And notice the year 1957. So now
we have Ike sitting in on the

1032
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:40,169
federal troops in 1957. Until
Little Rock at the same time MLK

1033
01:06:40,169 --> 01:06:43,709
is meeting with Nixon so that
they have this thing pretty much

1034
01:06:43,709 --> 01:06:48,929
sewed up. Except for they
fumbled the ball. They fumbled

1035
01:06:48,929 --> 01:06:51,809
the ball at the one yard line by
not getting king I don't know if

1036
01:06:51,809 --> 01:06:54,239
that's because they looked at
King like let he's not a major

1037
01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:58,049
figure or, and you know what
they really underestimated. They

1038
01:06:58,049 --> 01:07:02,459
under missed underestimated the
power of his father. His father

1039
01:07:02,459 --> 01:07:05,069
had juice and Atlanta with the
black churches.

1040
01:07:05,490 --> 01:07:08,940
Now, do you think that even back
then they considered it didn't

1041
01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:12,270
really matter? Because as long
as they had the image of MLK

1042
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:14,190
didn't really have to have the
man himself.

1043
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:21,269
No, well, I think they said
well, we stepped in and Little

1044
01:07:21,269 --> 01:07:27,059
Rock. We met King and 57. He's
cool. We don't it's let's not

1045
01:07:27,089 --> 01:07:31,619
upset our white voters. And I'm
just like, I'm getting us out of

1046
01:07:31,619 --> 01:07:34,889
their head. Let's not upset our
white voters by not overplaying

1047
01:07:34,889 --> 01:07:38,189
our hand. But we still have good
favor. Now. I'm thinking how to

1048
01:07:38,189 --> 01:07:43,349
Republican and thinking. And
they left the door wide open. If

1049
01:07:43,409 --> 01:07:46,289
I'm just putting myself in King
singer shoes. Well, we've talked

1050
01:07:46,289 --> 01:07:49,529
about him and I think there's
some things going on with him in

1051
01:07:49,529 --> 01:07:53,639
the background, but and his trip
to Nazi Germany in 1933. But,

1052
01:07:53,819 --> 01:07:57,779
you know, that's another story
for another day. I think when he

1053
01:07:57,779 --> 01:08:04,259
was like you left my son hanging
in jail. Ah, that doesn't speak

1054
01:08:04,259 --> 01:08:07,139
much foreign relationship. No,
no, I just think the Republicans

1055
01:08:07,139 --> 01:08:12,119
like we've done so much. What
more do you want us to do? And

1056
01:08:12,149 --> 01:08:15,239
that opened the door for
candidate to come right in. And

1057
01:08:15,269 --> 01:08:19,589
it was said and this has been
quoted from King senior. He

1058
01:08:19,589 --> 01:08:23,609
said, um, my and I'm
paraphrasing here, but it was

1059
01:08:23,609 --> 01:08:29,759
that basically my daughter
Coretta is crying. And he was

1060
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:32,909
like Candis, what can you do?
And they made the call to get

1061
01:08:33,059 --> 01:08:39,689
King on scene from King Jr. out
of jail. And that gave M. King

1062
01:08:39,689 --> 01:08:45,179
senior, the motivation to go out
of sway the whole South black

1063
01:08:45,179 --> 01:08:50,849
vote to Kennedy can let's not
forget the three peat people on

1064
01:08:50,849 --> 01:08:56,969
the wall. MLK, yep. JFK, yep.
And Jesus of the wide variety

1065
01:08:56,999 --> 01:09:02,129
Yeah. That's who's on black
people's wall. So that that

1066
01:09:02,129 --> 01:09:06,179
speaks that lets you know how
strong the narrative of the

1067
01:09:06,179 --> 01:09:09,359
Kennedys was to the black
community at the time

1068
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:16,380
wow, that's so more narrative
narrative is so much analogy and

1069
01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:19,170
so much so recognizable to

1070
01:09:20,850 --> 01:09:26,340
Yeah, what is narrative because
as Glenn for is laying out in

1071
01:09:26,340 --> 01:09:30,270
the title of the this is the
YouTube title of the show. I got

1072
01:09:30,270 --> 01:09:32,700
it from the Kennedy brothers
thought the civil rights

1073
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:37,770
movement was a nuisance as best
I mean, he's a very steady

1074
01:09:37,770 --> 01:09:43,260
people. That he's like, God, I
got it. What me? I'm just taking

1075
01:09:43,260 --> 01:09:46,170
liberties here but didn't get
him out of jail enough.

1076
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,550
Obviously, it wasn't because I
mean, King wants civil rights

1077
01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:54,900
and integration. That was the
big ask of their civil rights

1078
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:58,920
was integration. And let's get
into I guess, part three.

1079
01:09:59,460 --> 01:10:03,150
Certainly. This, this issue of
their attitude towards the civil

1080
01:10:03,150 --> 01:10:06,720
rights movement they get. They
mean JFK and RFK get a lot of

1081
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,500
credit towards promoting and
being sort of the beginning of

1082
01:10:10,530 --> 01:10:13,500
support for the civil rights
movement and the legislation

1083
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:17,220
that then came under Johnson.
And they get that basically is

1084
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:19,710
there at the beginning of the
sort of modern version of

1085
01:10:19,740 --> 01:10:23,460
Democratic Party liberalism. You
don't buy that?

1086
01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:27,090
No, I don't buy that. And the
literature actually shows that

1087
01:10:27,090 --> 01:10:32,160
both Kennedy brothers saw the
Civil Rights Movement as a

1088
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:39,300
nuisance at best. Remember, the
the FBIs spy campaign against

1089
01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:44,190
Martin Luther King, begin under
Robert Kennedy's watch, he was

1090
01:10:44,190 --> 01:10:47,580
aware of it and as tight as
those two brothers were they

1091
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:51,120
talked about everything
together, that we can assume

1092
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:56,490
that John Kennedy was also aware
that the FBI was not only spying

1093
01:10:56,490 --> 01:11:01,410
on Martin Luther King, but was
trying to destroy his reputation

1094
01:11:01,410 --> 01:11:05,520
that the FBI had King in its
sights.

1095
01:11:06,090 --> 01:11:10,620
The March on Washington, Kennedy
considered a kind of a victory

1096
01:11:10,620 --> 01:11:14,730
for himself of literature at any
rate, says that they considered

1097
01:11:14,730 --> 01:11:18,060
a good example of managed
protests and that they

1098
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:20,610
negotiated with the leaders of
the civil rights movement to

1099
01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:24,030
keep the protests contained.
What is that story?

1100
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:27,990
Yeah, that's a Black Lives
Matter of version. Oh, point

1101
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:35,850
one. I love this. I'm learning
all kinds of things today.

1102
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:43,320
But the overarching thing is
it's not about what's true. It's

1103
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,220
about who has been stronger
narrative. Who has the stronger

1104
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:50,550
story who has the ties with the
media, right, and the media is

1105
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:54,600
pushing. I mean, they loved they
loved JFK, how about

1106
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:59,640
this for a sec, Griffin?
Griffin? Griffith Davis. He

1107
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,930
worked for he worked for ebony.
Yep. So awesome. Family. Yep.

1108
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:07,950
And I'm sure that it was
important to have someone who

1109
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:14,550
had that connection and could
perpetrate narrative through

1110
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:15,480
those channels.

1111
01:12:16,710 --> 01:12:20,550
You know, you know who I see him
as, and I brought his name up

1112
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:22,560
before but we really haven't
gotten to him. It's the guy

1113
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,790
named Gordon Parks. And Gordon
Parks also worked for the

1114
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:29,550
government, the government,
little bit little be known to

1115
01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:33,720
the public. But he was the one
that will follow route MLK, some

1116
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,540
of the most iconic, not
invulnerable, Malcolm, Malcolm

1117
01:12:36,540 --> 01:12:41,100
X. And Muhammad Ali. Some of the
iconic pictures from new came

1118
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:44,970
from Garden parks, and he was
represented as a figure in

1119
01:12:44,970 --> 01:12:48,600
American Gangster as the guy
with the big mustache. Give me

1120
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:55,170
Frank Lucas, the all device. So
this I think, Griffin date Jay

1121
01:12:55,170 --> 01:13:03,120
Davis was the counter or the No,
the opposite, but equal to

1122
01:13:03,390 --> 01:13:07,350
garden parks. Go great garden
parks books very, very, I used

1123
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:12,780
to have a lot of respect for him
until I found out that he did a

1124
01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:17,430
lot of snooping and spying and
his camera was always in the

1125
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:20,670
right place at the right time.
Just like Griffin, J. J. Davis

1126
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:28,320
has just an aside. But let's not
forget, Hoover was operating

1127
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,230
under Kennedy, if I'm not
mistaken. And that was the

1128
01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:33,360
ultimate why you know, it's
Hoover it is doing an

1129
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,290
investigation of King not
Kennedy. So that allow people to

1130
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,730
even though Cooper was a black
man, black man just waiting

1131
01:13:41,730 --> 01:13:43,320
for that one to pop up. Yeah,

1132
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:47,430
I had to do it. While he was

1133
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,480
and by the way, for people who
are new to the show, Mo Do you

1134
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,910
remember what episode that
wasn't one of the early ones pre

1135
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:54,360
20.

1136
01:13:54,540 --> 01:13:58,290
That was the color that was the
color is my hours. I have to do

1137
01:13:58,290 --> 01:14:02,940
better about then. They weave in
and out so much that it was it

1138
01:14:02,940 --> 01:14:07,500
was the colorism when I believed
it, I laid that story out. But

1139
01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:11,940
um, yeah, so that was the that
was the good Kennedy outdoor,

1140
01:14:11,970 --> 01:14:14,130
it's Hoover, you know, Hoover
Hoover, the one who was

1141
01:14:14,130 --> 01:14:18,270
investigating Marcus Garvey and
go down the list. You know, it

1142
01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:24,060
wasn't tweet Kennedy. Yeah, I
mean, black people love JFK.

1143
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,470
Seriously, I mean, my I mean,
you could ask a lot of black

1144
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:31,170
people where are you at with
champion naked? They were they

1145
01:14:31,170 --> 01:14:34,650
were emotionally and
psychologically impacted by, you

1146
01:14:34,650 --> 01:14:42,840
know, by his death. And actually
Obama had a lot of remorse

1147
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:44,160
reminded a lot of people

1148
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,790
Kennedy and Kennedy, as we say,
Kennedy esque features.

1149
01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:52,290
Yes, that's it. That's it. And
just the way you carry yourself

1150
01:14:52,290 --> 01:14:54,390
with, you know, the wife and the
kids and that kind of thing.

1151
01:14:54,390 --> 01:15:01,440
Very, very, very good
politicians. But With that said,

1152
01:15:01,470 --> 01:15:05,250
I guess we could wrap up with
Glen Ford and part four,

1153
01:15:05,489 --> 01:15:10,769
and it was a high profile
management. So high profile

1154
01:15:10,769 --> 01:15:16,079
management that Malcolm X called
it the Farsan, Washington and

1155
01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:21,599
railed constantly against those
big six leaders, as he called

1156
01:15:21,599 --> 01:15:26,849
the Civil Rights pantheon of the
time, allowing themselves to be

1157
01:15:26,849 --> 01:15:30,479
manipulated by the white
Democrat in the White House and

1158
01:15:30,689 --> 01:15:34,649
allowing Kennedy to put the
cream in the coffee, as Malcolm

1159
01:15:34,649 --> 01:15:35,339
used to put it,

1160
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:39,450
whatever was judges their intent
or motivation, where there's

1161
01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:42,420
some positive accomplishments of
the Kennedy administration in

1162
01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:46,320
terms of either civil rights or
social equality legislation.

1163
01:15:46,410 --> 01:15:50,970
Well, he did pass a modest, I
believe it was by executive

1164
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:59,010
order update of existing very
modest civil rights apparatus,

1165
01:15:59,310 --> 01:16:05,310
but no, nothing substantial.
He's usually credited with

1166
01:16:05,310 --> 01:16:12,270
creating the tone of
cooperation, of non hostility

1167
01:16:12,990 --> 01:16:18,090
that would allow the Civil
Rights forces to organize

1168
01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:22,530
without the federal government
being a big obstacle so that the

1169
01:16:22,770 --> 01:16:27,990
effort could be concentrated on
the real opposition downtown.

1170
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:35,130
So if you notice, even the
interviewer and I catch his

1171
01:16:35,130 --> 01:16:38,730
name, he tries to redeem Kennedy
because this guy Glenn Ford,

1172
01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:41,880
just shot it. We shot him with
the castle Canyon, basically.

1173
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,820
Um, because he's like, wait,
wait, wait, wait, Kennedy, we

1174
01:16:47,820 --> 01:16:51,450
got to save the imagery, you
know, he's still a viable tool,

1175
01:16:51,540 --> 01:16:55,560
which I will say this knowledge
just come to my mind. I haven't

1176
01:16:55,560 --> 01:17:01,290
seen Kennedy that much anymore.
And you're good pilot. Cool.

1177
01:17:01,290 --> 01:17:01,530
Good

1178
01:17:01,530 --> 01:17:02,130
point.

1179
01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:06,540
Is it costly is problematic due
to the women or people actually

1180
01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:09,900
no worries about due to race? I
mean, cuz I mean, you used to

1181
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:14,100
that was no, he was brought up
every four years. And even

1182
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:16,710
Presidents Day was more like
about Kennedy, but you don't

1183
01:17:16,710 --> 01:17:18,300
hear much about him anymore. But

1184
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:24,360
also did Obama really refer to
Kennedy that much? No, I don't

1185
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,080
think so. either. He might he
was compared to him. But I think

1186
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:32,070
perhaps the idea was to always
to have to have a new Kennedy

1187
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:37,200
and that's what Obama was
supposed to be. Oh, swap

1188
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,340
swap it out. Yeah,

1189
01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:41,430
yeah, it makes more sense
chocolate Kennedy, Kennedy,

1190
01:17:41,460 --> 01:17:44,250
chocolate cover Kennedy and you
got still alive. You know, we

1191
01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:47,040
can still parade them out and
get them to do stuff for us.

1192
01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:53,850
Got it. Speaking of let's pick
up where Glenn for left off and

1193
01:17:53,850 --> 01:17:57,630
he mentioned Malcolm X and the
black coffee analogy with cream

1194
01:17:57,630 --> 01:17:59,880
so I guess let's go and listen
to that clip.

1195
01:18:00,060 --> 01:18:03,690
It's just like when you got some
coffee that's too black. Which

1196
01:18:03,690 --> 01:18:08,580
means it's too strong. What you
do you integrate it with cream

1197
01:18:20,250 --> 01:18:26,970
make it weak. If you put too
much cream in you won't even

1198
01:18:26,970 --> 01:18:33,000
know you ever had coffee. It
used to be hot, it becomes cool.

1199
01:18:34,230 --> 01:18:40,410
It used to be strong it becomes
weak. Used to wake you up to put

1200
01:18:40,410 --> 01:18:40,980
you to sleep

1201
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:50,730
this is the point this is the
danger of too much integration

1202
01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:55,920
because they become co opting.
It's like yeah, let's come in on

1203
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:00,270
now we're going to tell you how
to run it. But one of the

1204
01:19:00,270 --> 01:19:04,860
greatest pieces of art that was
used to push a narrative of

1205
01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:07,320
integration and we covered this
before I think in the same

1206
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:13,290
episode with no man no man in
the house, but white flight that

1207
01:19:13,290 --> 01:19:19,500
was episode 14. Right? This is A
Raisin in the Sun plot summary

1208
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:19,980
one

1209
01:19:20,489 --> 01:19:23,789
in Lorraine Hansberry is Raisin
in the Sun. A younger family of

1210
01:19:23,789 --> 01:19:27,569
five lives in a tiny dark
infested apartment on Chicago's

1211
01:19:27,569 --> 01:19:33,779
South Side sometime between 1945
and the president of 1959. The

1212
01:19:33,779 --> 01:19:37,589
whole family eagerly awaits a
$10,000 life insurance check for

1213
01:19:37,589 --> 01:19:40,919
the work related death of big
Walter Mama's husband and the

1214
01:19:40,919 --> 01:19:45,029
family's patriarch Walter Lee
younger, a dissatisfied

1215
01:19:45,029 --> 01:19:49,799
chauffeur in his mid 30s wants
to invest in a liquor store. In

1216
01:19:49,799 --> 01:19:53,189
the introduction, he mentions
news of another bombing and he

1217
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:57,569
talks finances with his wife
Ruth, Ruth and beneatha Walters

1218
01:19:57,569 --> 01:20:01,019
younger sister, both recognized
mama The one in charge of the

1219
01:20:01,019 --> 01:20:05,549
insurance money. As the rising
action begins, Walter tries to

1220
01:20:05,549 --> 01:20:08,489
convince her to finance his
investment, but Mama's against

1221
01:20:08,489 --> 01:20:11,309
selling liquor. She wants to
support beneath his plan to

1222
01:20:11,309 --> 01:20:13,979
attend medical school. She's
also thinking about buying a

1223
01:20:13,979 --> 01:20:18,359
house. The family encourages
beneatha to pursue her wealthy

1224
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:22,079
suitor George Murchison, but
beneath a find some shallow.

1225
01:20:22,649 --> 01:20:26,639
Another suitor Nigerian
classmate, Joseph a soggy helps

1226
01:20:26,639 --> 01:20:31,049
beneath to explore her African
heritage. The check arrives, and

1227
01:20:31,049 --> 01:20:35,429
Ruth reveals she's pregnant with
an unplanned child. To Mama's

1228
01:20:35,429 --> 01:20:40,259
dismay, Ruth has scheduled an
abortion. In the climax, Mama

1229
01:20:40,259 --> 01:20:42,839
uses part of the settlement
money to make a down payment on

1230
01:20:42,839 --> 01:20:46,979
a house. Ruth is at first
overjoyed, but then shocked to

1231
01:20:46,979 --> 01:20:49,739
learn the houses in Clyburn
Park, a white neighborhood

1232
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:59,310
lot to unpack in that clip. So
we have this 1950s Play and it

1233
01:20:59,310 --> 01:21:04,080
ended up coming up becoming a
movie. Sidney Poitier a Yeah,

1234
01:21:04,110 --> 01:21:07,260
play a very, very famous and
just for a little inside

1235
01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:11,670
baseball, my dad actually played
the role of Walter in a

1236
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:16,350
rendition that the community
center. And he made he went he

1237
01:21:16,350 --> 01:21:19,350
went all in on it. Like he did a
great job. I gotta give him

1238
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:22,680
credit on that. But that's why
this story resonates with me so

1239
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,530
much one, you got to look at it
in that time, we're talking

1240
01:21:25,530 --> 01:21:29,670
about abortion. Yeah, we're
talking about the the masculine

1241
01:21:29,670 --> 01:21:33,720
of the male figure. You're
educating the woman. And

1242
01:21:34,170 --> 01:21:37,590
obviously Walter wanted to
create his own own business.

1243
01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:40,860
He's like, Mom, let me open a
liquor store. You know, she's

1244
01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:44,190
like, Nah, we want to invest in
your sister education. Now fast

1245
01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:46,920
forward, we see the same thing.
It's like, go get education,

1246
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,820
don't start a business. And then
we're gonna take the abortion

1247
01:21:50,820 --> 01:21:55,710
thing, which I'll pass on that.
And then finally, is that oh,

1248
01:21:55,710 --> 01:21:59,760
yeah, we want to integrate. We
want to go over to this this

1249
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:05,520
area where nobody wants this.
And this. This help with that.

1250
01:22:06,030 --> 01:22:10,410
casting of this spell of
immigration will solve all our

1251
01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:10,980
problems,

1252
01:22:11,010 --> 01:22:14,100
which of course, it's exactly
the opposite.

1253
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,230
Yeah, let me let me kind of say
something. One thing real quick.

1254
01:22:19,710 --> 01:22:23,580
When I say immigration, I'm
talking about force. Yes. state

1255
01:22:23,580 --> 01:22:25,710
sanction immigration, I want to
be clear

1256
01:22:25,739 --> 01:22:30,569
equality and equity, equality
quotas, equity quotas, this is

1257
01:22:30,659 --> 01:22:31,889
the same thing.

1258
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,540
Correct? Yes. Why are we going
to bust you over here we need

1259
01:22:36,540 --> 01:22:39,840
to, if people want to be
together, they're going to be

1260
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,990
together, because we saw that
from the route Rothstein clips,

1261
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:47,010
that people that had to work
together, they may actually live

1262
01:22:47,010 --> 01:22:49,410
closer to each other because
they live close their their job.

1263
01:22:49,620 --> 01:22:51,630
This is really the community
that way, it's

1264
01:22:51,630 --> 01:22:55,260
very important for for the times
we live in right now, because no

1265
01:22:55,260 --> 01:23:01,020
one is looking at the record of
integration. Forced

1266
01:23:01,020 --> 01:23:04,710
togetherness, let's just call it
that way. And this is exactly

1267
01:23:04,710 --> 01:23:09,810
what Black Lives Matter and Inc,
and the wokeness is calling for

1268
01:23:09,810 --> 01:23:13,740
is we need a quota, we need to
have more black people, we have

1269
01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:17,550
to have so many brown people so
many X, X, Y and Z in the

1270
01:23:17,550 --> 01:23:21,900
organization in the school in
the in the neighborhood.

1271
01:23:23,700 --> 01:23:29,370
Right. And the thing is, I'm not
even anti affirmative action. I

1272
01:23:29,370 --> 01:23:33,450
think that the way it's done is
crazy, because one that was

1273
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:37,140
really supposed to be a tangible
for black people, so called

1274
01:23:37,140 --> 01:23:41,490
black people to make up for the
ills of what happened pre

1275
01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:43,290
previous to that, but then it
was hijacked.

1276
01:23:44,099 --> 01:23:47,309
Anyone who's a minority, I'm a
minority, okay, you get

1277
01:23:47,309 --> 01:23:48,479
affirmative action, right?

1278
01:23:49,170 --> 01:23:52,650
And then to the problem, what I
find with it is you shouldn't

1279
01:23:52,650 --> 01:23:56,820
lower the standards for certain
groups. No, no, no, no, it

1280
01:23:56,820 --> 01:24:00,660
should be. If you want to do off
population, this group is 13% of

1281
01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:06,420
the population, if you have 13%
that meet the criteria, that the

1282
01:24:06,420 --> 01:24:12,270
other you know, was at 83 87%
has to meet in fine, you should

1283
01:24:12,270 --> 01:24:17,010
leave those spots open. Because
if you just do it by the sheer

1284
01:24:17,010 --> 01:24:21,540
mathematics, there should be 13%
of their representation in that

1285
01:24:21,570 --> 01:24:25,770
you know, exactly qualified to
represent them. Now, I don't I

1286
01:24:25,770 --> 01:24:31,320
don't I don't I am adamant about
lower. I mean, I mean against

1287
01:24:31,710 --> 01:24:35,280
lowering the standards, because
I Oh, you're black. Well, you

1288
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:41,730
only need a 1200 an essay t what
is that? I mean, really the most

1289
01:24:41,730 --> 01:24:46,350
pervasive form of racism that
rises today, right there is the

1290
01:24:46,350 --> 01:24:51,630
lower expectations is the lower
expectation that is a huge

1291
01:24:51,630 --> 01:24:52,230
problem. It's

1292
01:24:52,230 --> 01:24:56,040
the literal, literal definition
of racism because it shows that

1293
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,890
you think lower of that person
by race.

1294
01:25:00,539 --> 01:25:04,649
And what it causes anxiety for
people that actually earn their

1295
01:25:04,649 --> 01:25:08,309
cell wiring their way into their
position. Me being one of them,

1296
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:12,299
because now I had to prove
myself that I belong here, you

1297
01:25:12,299 --> 01:25:16,079
would think it'd be the opposite
but no, it's like when you walk

1298
01:25:16,079 --> 01:25:21,179
into a room and these spaces,
and first thing people might

1299
01:25:21,179 --> 01:25:24,569
think is, oh, he's talking, you
know, he, I don't know why he's

1300
01:25:24,569 --> 01:25:30,509
here. And no, I earned my way
everywhere I went. And it's very

1301
01:25:30,509 --> 01:25:33,119
counterproductive when you have
those lower standard. We'll do a

1302
01:25:33,119 --> 01:25:37,499
show on that. But I just want to
show you that how this shaped

1303
01:25:37,499 --> 01:25:40,469
the minds of black people like
oh, yeah, if we could just move

1304
01:25:40,469 --> 01:25:41,429
away from my own.

1305
01:25:41,850 --> 01:25:44,430
Right, everything. I think it'd
be great.

1306
01:25:45,870 --> 01:25:49,710
Yeah, not not so much. But let's
wrap up with the second part of

1307
01:25:49,710 --> 01:25:50,430
the plot summary,

1308
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,120
Mrs. Johnson. The neighbor stops
by excited for the youngers

1309
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,600
move, but also scared of the
violence the likely face from

1310
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,860
Chicago is white folks. Walter
stops going to work and he

1311
01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:05,910
drinks. When mama ceases
deterioration, she gives him

1312
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:09,150
control over the remainder of
the money. She tells him to put

1313
01:26:09,150 --> 01:26:12,270
some aside for beneath his
education, and to decide himself

1314
01:26:12,270 --> 01:26:15,900
what to do with the rest. We see
an immediate change in Walter

1315
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:19,770
and Ruth decides to keep her
baby while the youngers

1316
01:26:19,770 --> 01:26:23,970
excitedly pack. Carl Lindner
visits a white representative of

1317
01:26:23,970 --> 01:26:27,600
the Clyburn Park welcoming
committee in the falling action

1318
01:26:27,630 --> 01:26:31,410
and uncomfortable but polite
Lindner says he wants to start a

1319
01:26:31,410 --> 01:26:34,830
dialogue. But it's soon clear
the neighborhood residents want

1320
01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:39,360
to buy back the House to prevent
integration. Walter Ruth and

1321
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:43,260
beneatha angrily reject the
offer and ask Lindner to leave.

1322
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:47,940
Soon after. Walters fellow
investor Bobo reports that

1323
01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:50,850
Willie Harris has skipped town
with their investment money.

1324
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:55,890
Walters as well as beneath a
share. And raged mama begins to

1325
01:26:55,890 --> 01:27:00,120
beat Walter. The family now in
need of cash consider staying in

1326
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,800
the apartment. And upbeat,
hopeful a soggy debates the

1327
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,700
possibility of progress with
beneatha as I asked her to move

1328
01:27:08,700 --> 01:27:11,970
with him to Africa, to work with
him to help improve the lives of

1329
01:27:11,970 --> 01:27:16,980
his people. at his lowest,
Walter calls Carl Lindner to

1330
01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:21,240
accept the buyout beneath us
ready to disown her brother. But

1331
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:25,710
Mama insists Walter needs their
love now more than ever. In the

1332
01:27:25,710 --> 01:27:29,160
resolution. Walter instead tells
Lindner, they plan to move into

1333
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:33,360
the house after all, as movers
load the truck. Bonita says

1334
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,810
she's thinking about going to
Africa. Mama tells Ruth that

1335
01:27:36,810 --> 01:27:41,280
Walter has finally come into his
manhood with hope, as well as

1336
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,700
dark uncertainty about
integration. The play closes

1337
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:47,400
with the youngers vacating their
apartment and going to their new

1338
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,900
house. Yeah.

1339
01:27:54,180 --> 01:27:57,720
Yeah, this episode 14 is a good
one, by the way, because this

1340
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,570
was a clip thrown thrown back to
that it's a good episode, listen

1341
01:28:00,570 --> 01:28:03,240
to it. They're all great, but I
just remember how much I enjoyed

1342
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:03,570
that one.

1343
01:28:04,649 --> 01:28:08,579
But this just reaffirmed even
back in the 1950s, the black man

1344
01:28:08,579 --> 01:28:12,299
was the bottom of the bottom. Do
you have who was supposed to be

1345
01:28:12,299 --> 01:28:16,589
the patriarch of the family?
He's treated like a child. Yeah.

1346
01:28:17,579 --> 01:28:21,089
Even his mama beat him. It's
like, like, and you know, he

1347
01:28:21,089 --> 01:28:23,009
couldn't do anything, right. And
his sister was gonna be the

1348
01:28:23,009 --> 01:28:26,759
savior of the family. But this
this, this play was written by a

1349
01:28:26,759 --> 01:28:31,109
huge feminist. But not going to
go there. Well, I'm just saying

1350
01:28:31,109 --> 01:28:35,519
that these are the arts and we
you start to see how Black Lives

1351
01:28:35,519 --> 01:28:40,289
Matter. Pink leadership was
picked? It was Oh, yeah. These

1352
01:28:40,289 --> 01:28:42,509
are the kind of type of women we
want to be. Yeah, these are the

1353
01:28:42,509 --> 01:28:45,419
type of women we want out front.
It's the same thing. Who wrote

1354
01:28:45,419 --> 01:28:48,239
this? Who wrote this play? Yeah,
these are the kinds of ideas we

1355
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:55,979
want to push going into the
1960s. But fine, I mean, moving

1356
01:28:55,979 --> 01:29:02,219
on. We have Dr. Amos Wilson.
He's very popular. He was very

1357
01:29:02,219 --> 01:29:05,459
popular on the black speaking
circuit, the one I mentioned

1358
01:29:05,459 --> 01:29:08,789
before that happened in
bookstores and, and things of

1359
01:29:08,789 --> 01:29:13,439
this nature and an author. And
he's going to talk to he's the

1360
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,619
title of this is assimilation
and m s simulation and

1361
01:29:16,619 --> 01:29:20,189
multiculturalism. But what he's
going to talk about is the power

1362
01:29:20,189 --> 01:29:21,299
of a fantasy

1363
01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:33,150
within the individual
emotionally use an ideology,

1364
01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:42,120
which places the individual in
places every survival in

1365
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:47,400
question that you're dealing
with an individual who has been

1366
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,950
taken over and possessed by

1367
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,080
to look at people in their
ideologies, and look at what

1368
01:29:55,080 --> 01:30:04,530
place they are. The ideology The
reality of this circumstances is

1369
01:30:04,530 --> 01:30:08,910
the kind of things we deal with
the psychologist everyday people

1370
01:30:08,910 --> 01:30:16,530
who come in with fantasies and
beliefs, viciously, ideologies.

1371
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:23,130
And yet those fantasies,
beliefs, ideologies are

1372
01:30:23,130 --> 01:30:28,350
depressing, destroy their
families, make it impossible for

1373
01:30:28,350 --> 01:30:32,580
them to realize themselves and
to achieve what they

1374
01:30:32,580 --> 01:30:39,090
potentialities would allow them
to achieve. Where they are. His

1375
01:30:39,090 --> 01:30:42,630
games. Yeah, true words.

1376
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,880
So what he said was it clip the
clips a little bit his words off

1377
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,850
because the things was taken off
a VHS. And I want to say one

1378
01:30:50,850 --> 01:30:56,610
thing. This is why a platform
like YouTube is so valuable,

1379
01:30:57,090 --> 01:31:00,210
because they allow people to
upload these videos that were

1380
01:31:00,210 --> 01:31:05,040
taken back in the 1980s, early
80s, mid 80s. And, you know, be

1381
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,340
recorded in history. If it
wasn't for that, it'd be

1382
01:31:08,340 --> 01:31:13,170
probably on somebody's VHS tape
VHS tape stashed away. So I want

1383
01:31:13,170 --> 01:31:15,660
to say that, but that's why I
was little, that's why it was a

1384
01:31:15,660 --> 01:31:18,510
little choppy, I just want to
find the clip quality. But what

1385
01:31:18,510 --> 01:31:22,290
he was saying was these people
that are presents, his words,

1386
01:31:22,290 --> 01:31:28,650
not mine, possessed by these
fantasies is very unhealthy. And

1387
01:31:28,650 --> 01:31:31,830
that's what you are you alluded
to earlier that that's the

1388
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:34,950
problem going on today. Because
like, oh, you know, we need to,

1389
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:39,720
you know, we have 4.3 black
people, we need to have four

1390
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,390
point 4.3 Black this or that,
and that. And it's like, no,

1391
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:45,750
that's not how it works. That's
not reality. And when you try to

1392
01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:51,600
hit them with reality, or a
logic, it's like, I don't know,

1393
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,180
something is very jarring, very
jarring

1394
01:31:54,210 --> 01:31:58,830
it just because it's embedded
deep in the psyche. And I think

1395
01:31:58,830 --> 01:32:03,540
we come back to the social
dilemma. Here's an example. I'll

1396
01:32:03,540 --> 01:32:08,700
tell ya, this is just my
personal example. So I've been

1397
01:32:08,700 --> 01:32:12,120
looking at Coronavirus from day
one. I've looked at all the

1398
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,310
numbers, I've made my
conclusions and you can listen

1399
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:16,800
to me on a no agenda. And you
know that I'm really not all

1400
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,840
that worried about it. Certainly
not now. So we have a big meet

1401
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,680
up in Vegas tomorrow, and it's
going to be 7580 people there.

1402
01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:29,190
And lo and behold, through my
mind goes this still a thought

1403
01:32:29,190 --> 01:32:33,450
going? Oh crap. Will this be a
super spreader event even though

1404
01:32:33,450 --> 01:32:37,890
I know the true numbers and the
likelihood etc? Because I've

1405
01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:43,170
been inundated with stuff from
the media. So yeah, it's toxic.

1406
01:32:43,170 --> 01:32:48,180
It's very. It's spells as you
would say.

1407
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:54,360
That is I mean, because what
spells does is? It's magic in

1408
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:59,880
one sense and magic. In another
sense. Well, magic me in the

1409
01:33:00,930 --> 01:33:04,830
illusion, since we know that
there's not a rabbit in that

1410
01:33:04,830 --> 01:33:05,160
hat.

1411
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:07,860
Yes, true.

1412
01:33:09,149 --> 01:33:12,449
But when you see it done, it's
like, wow. But how do you pull

1413
01:33:12,449 --> 01:33:16,109
that rabbit out? Not where did
he get that rabbit from our

1414
01:33:16,109 --> 01:33:19,649
brain doesn't go there. I mean,
for most people, it's just like,

1415
01:33:19,649 --> 01:33:22,079
wow, they caught up in the wow
factor. And that's what you're

1416
01:33:22,079 --> 01:33:26,849
saying that these little things
and even myself. That's why I go

1417
01:33:26,879 --> 01:33:30,479
on and off social media, I'll go
check and see what's going on

1418
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:36,299
and not come off of it. Because
it has a sticking effect. Their

1419
01:33:36,329 --> 01:33:41,489
their tools are so powerful.
Their narrative is so well.

1420
01:33:42,359 --> 01:33:46,529
Woven, that I go back to what
the lady said, Now this is a

1421
01:33:46,529 --> 01:33:50,279
newscaster she understand how
the media works. And she just

1422
01:33:50,279 --> 01:33:54,209
regurgitate verbatim what the
guy had just came on and said,

1423
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:58,079
Oh, 100 years we would we made
progress 100 years earlier. And

1424
01:33:58,079 --> 01:34:00,899
she does verbatim in regard to
takes it back to him.

1425
01:34:01,620 --> 01:34:05,670
Yeah, if I can, if I can, if I
can interject, I have no belief

1426
01:34:05,670 --> 01:34:10,860
whatsoever that the news lady
knows how hypnotizing the

1427
01:34:10,860 --> 01:34:15,480
messages or news is there. When
I was at MTV, I wasn't thinking

1428
01:34:15,480 --> 01:34:19,650
about that at all. And we just
deceived all the time for small

1429
01:34:19,650 --> 01:34:22,500
reasons. You don't know when
you're part of the machine, you

1430
01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:23,280
don't realize it.

1431
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:27,210
But is that even more of a sale?
It's worse.

1432
01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:30,300
It's worse. Yeah.

1433
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,250
Yes, they're there even either
you can place it or a bigger

1434
01:34:35,250 --> 01:34:38,760
victim than the people in the
general public. Is that a fair?

1435
01:34:38,820 --> 01:34:42,780
Yes. And that's why you see
because you want to believe yes,

1436
01:34:42,930 --> 01:34:47,040
but that's why you see Cheryl as
my son and and all these these

1437
01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:51,870
former news, readers, leaving
starting podcasts because

1438
01:34:51,870 --> 01:34:54,210
they're disillusioned and they
realize that they were part of

1439
01:34:54,210 --> 01:34:54,930
the problem.

1440
01:34:56,280 --> 01:35:03,180
Interesting. And that's why We
do not pat ourselves on the back

1441
01:35:03,210 --> 01:35:07,140
as a public service. Because we
don't come here to solve

1442
01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:12,450
problems or, or we are not come
with solutions to things that

1443
01:35:12,450 --> 01:35:16,320
nature, what we do is say, hey,
this, I'm gonna speak for

1444
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,160
myself, I can't speak for you
let people understand what both

1445
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:25,230
sides are saying. And let them
decide for yourself. That's all

1446
01:35:25,230 --> 01:35:27,780
I wanted. I don't want to sway
anybody one way or the other.

1447
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:30,930
But what you have to do is you
have to one side is so good at

1448
01:35:30,930 --> 01:35:33,630
the narrative or the narrative,
you're so strong, that you have

1449
01:35:33,630 --> 01:35:38,520
to spend more time digging that
know, the core out, it's like,

1450
01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:42,000
we have to get to the core. So
people can say, Okay, now

1451
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,100
understand what that solder
sounds stand with that solid

1452
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:47,850
stand, and you use your own
brain to figure out which side

1453
01:35:47,850 --> 01:35:51,600
you want to align with. And
that's why I'm saying about

1454
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:56,220
integration. Separate break was
not even given a chance or a

1455
01:35:56,220 --> 01:35:58,290
choice, period.

1456
01:35:58,529 --> 01:36:03,449
So from from my perspective, of
course, the stories and the the

1457
01:36:03,449 --> 01:36:08,249
narrative that I've heard and I
was raised with, I'm I'm very

1458
01:36:08,249 --> 01:36:11,459
open, because of what I've been
doing for the past 15 years, I'm

1459
01:36:11,459 --> 01:36:15,299
very open to other history,
alternative histories or

1460
01:36:15,299 --> 01:36:18,989
histories that are not the same.
So for me, as I'm coming here,

1461
01:36:19,019 --> 01:36:22,529
I'm here to listen, if I can, if
I can tell you what my

1462
01:36:22,529 --> 01:36:26,849
experience was, or how I how I
experienced something. But I

1463
01:36:26,849 --> 01:36:30,719
feel like this has been such a
super education. And we are we

1464
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:35,789
are following along with the
nudge, or the spell of Malcolm

1465
01:36:35,789 --> 01:36:40,709
X. Who said this? Well, probably
just before I was even born

1466
01:36:40,739 --> 01:36:41,189
first, the

1467
01:36:41,190 --> 01:36:44,430
white man and the black men have
to be able to sit down at the

1468
01:36:44,430 --> 01:36:47,700
same table, the white man has to
feel free to speak his mind

1469
01:36:47,700 --> 01:36:50,460
without hurting the feelings
about negro. And the so called

1470
01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:53,490
Negro has to feel free to speak
in the mind without hurting the

1471
01:36:53,490 --> 01:36:56,310
feeling of the white man, then
they can bring the issue that

1472
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:58,620
are under the rug or on top of
the table and take an

1473
01:36:58,620 --> 01:37:01,140
intelligent approach to get the
problem solved. That's the only

1474
01:37:01,140 --> 01:37:02,400
way we'll ever do it.

1475
01:37:02,549 --> 01:37:07,379
And that is exactly what it is.
And I love playing that every

1476
01:37:07,379 --> 01:37:11,279
single time because he reminds
me, it's about not triggering,

1477
01:37:11,279 --> 01:37:14,849
that's, it's not so much about,
here's what I think, you know, I

1478
01:37:14,849 --> 01:37:17,819
need to be able to listen, you
and you should not have to worry

1479
01:37:17,819 --> 01:37:22,289
for a second. Like when I was
six years old, when we told the

1480
01:37:22,289 --> 01:37:25,859
story on one of the first shows,
and my parents had colleagues of

1481
01:37:25,859 --> 01:37:30,779
theirs coming over and black
family. And we were excited me

1482
01:37:30,779 --> 01:37:32,969
and my sister My sister was
very, but I was excited like,

1483
01:37:32,999 --> 01:37:37,229
oh, this be cool. And, and you
know, they showed up and you

1484
01:37:37,229 --> 01:37:41,039
know, suit and tie and wouldn't
say anything and pay and we'd

1485
01:37:41,039 --> 01:37:46,709
both been screwed by parents. We
both got some kind of story and

1486
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:51,359
we never connected. Because you
were to tell me oh, well, here's

1487
01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:53,819
what my mom would tell me just
before we went in to see those

1488
01:37:53,819 --> 01:37:56,129
white folks. And here's how you
don't embarrass me.

1489
01:37:56,910 --> 01:37:59,820
And then on the other side of
that, I mean, just shot me right

1490
01:37:59,820 --> 01:38:03,090
there. Now you understand what
the black family was going

1491
01:38:03,090 --> 01:38:04,920
through is like we don't want to
seem like slum people.

1492
01:38:04,979 --> 01:38:09,149
Yes, of course. And it's the
end. It's the stupidity of just

1493
01:38:09,149 --> 01:38:12,449
not being able to communicate.
And so being worried, which is

1494
01:38:12,449 --> 01:38:15,809
one of the biggest problems with
today's youth use with the youth

1495
01:38:16,109 --> 01:38:19,799
is triggering, make sure you
don't trigger anybody, when

1496
01:38:19,799 --> 01:38:23,249
sometimes you just need to push
through it to get down to

1497
01:38:23,249 --> 01:38:26,669
something so we can talk about
stuff. And I'd like to talk

1498
01:38:26,669 --> 01:38:31,499
about our value for value model
where we ask a simple question.

1499
01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:35,699
When you listen to moe facts
with Adam curry, did you get any

1500
01:38:35,699 --> 01:38:39,359
value out of it? Whatever that
was, we'd like you to put that

1501
01:38:39,359 --> 01:38:43,139
back in. Now it could be time
talent, treasure, obviously, we

1502
01:38:43,139 --> 01:38:45,899
need to pay bills, there's a lot
of work goes into certainly from

1503
01:38:45,899 --> 01:38:49,469
both sides. So we do appreciate
it when people can consent some

1504
01:38:49,469 --> 01:38:54,029
value and it can be $1 can be
$5, it does not matter because

1505
01:38:54,029 --> 01:38:56,819
that's valuable to you. So as
long as you feel that you got

1506
01:38:56,819 --> 01:39:00,659
value of what you said back,
then that's fine with us. And

1507
01:39:00,689 --> 01:39:03,509
we'd like to thank the people
who supported the show for this

1508
01:39:03,509 --> 01:39:06,149
week. Now I have a is this a
bladed from Miss J that we have

1509
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:07,049
at the top here mo

1510
01:39:07,380 --> 01:39:12,930
please, please make good please,
please may have felt Yeah, I

1511
01:39:12,930 --> 01:39:16,950
must say let me explain
something to people that my

1512
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:23,400
anxiety is to miss somebody's
know when they get given value.

1513
01:39:24,300 --> 01:39:28,470
And this my anxiety came through
with this one. She sent a note

1514
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,350
and I didn't think too I
searched out the names that were

1515
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:37,320
in the in the donation hash yet
associate Yeah, what was ever

1516
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,560
associated with the Cash App and
I missed her. So I was like, Ah,

1517
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:44,730
I felt really really bad. So
please, I will say this one

1518
01:39:44,730 --> 01:39:47,910
thing. I'll let you continue. If
you don't have a note please,

1519
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:51,900
right. No, no, yeah, because if
not, I'm gonna dig, dig, dig and

1520
01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:55,980
it just takes us over the amount
of time because I don't ever

1521
01:39:55,980 --> 01:39:59,040
want to forget anybody again,
but if we do, we put you at the

1522
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,220
very top of the list. We did
Miss J

1523
01:40:02,519 --> 01:40:06,269
Yes Miss J So this goes back to
September 20 She says please

1524
01:40:06,269 --> 01:40:10,919
accept my $100 Please accept my
no donation for episode 50 And

1525
01:40:11,939 --> 01:40:17,279
wait a minute is this 50 How
much is it the dollar 50 $50.50?

1526
01:40:18,119 --> 01:40:22,889
Yes. It goes towards 50 More
episodes. I found you from the

1527
01:40:22,889 --> 01:40:27,959
Star Report. I guess that would
make me a star mono row. Star

1528
01:40:27,959 --> 01:40:31,379
Report mo facts no agenda Rogen.
Oh hey, we're sitting the people

1529
01:40:31,379 --> 01:40:34,349
over to Rogen. This is good.
Could you put me in the birthday

1530
01:40:34,349 --> 01:40:37,049
list? Well, we don't really have
a birthday list but we are happy

1531
01:40:37,049 --> 01:40:39,479
to celebrate your birthday and
at a time which was September

1532
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,559
30. And would definitely like
some mo karma for me to meet my

1533
01:40:43,559 --> 01:40:47,519
future husband Yes Miss J we do
future husband karma out of the

1534
01:40:47,519 --> 01:40:53,219
box plan Thank you very much.

1535
01:40:54,270 --> 01:40:56,820
Oh, wait, wait a minute is our
birthday so we know everybody

1536
01:40:56,820 --> 01:40:59,280
gets on their birthday. Don't
you have cars they always

1537
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:04,500
give me a biscuit on my
birthday. There you go. Nothing

1538
01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:09,990
like butter biscuit. Now moving
on to our first executive

1539
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:14,640
producer of episode number 51.
This is from Kyle Dietz. 333 33

1540
01:41:14,730 --> 01:41:17,970
The magic numbers reigned
supreme in the morning, mon Adam

1541
01:41:18,330 --> 01:41:21,330
been listening since episode one
have not been paid, but have not

1542
01:41:21,330 --> 01:41:25,110
been paying my podcast support.
Please de deadbeat me.

1543
01:41:27,149 --> 01:41:32,399
Congratulations. You're no
longer a deadbeat.

1544
01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:36,810
I have wondered. Kyle continues
what has brought the so called

1545
01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:39,360
black community to where it is
today as the mainstream

1546
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:42,690
narrative didn't quite make
sense. I had heard pieces here

1547
01:41:42,690 --> 01:41:47,610
and there but your weekly
Malcolm X in quotes, Malcolm X

1548
01:41:47,610 --> 01:41:50,820
talks have brought it together
into cohesive narrative, which

1549
01:41:50,820 --> 01:41:55,410
makes so much more sense and can
unite us instead of divide. Yes,

1550
01:41:55,710 --> 01:41:59,880
it's so and it turns out to be
really easy. As long as you just

1551
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:04,080
agree Hey, whatever I say don't
get triggered by it and we were

1552
01:42:04,140 --> 01:42:07,080
we're old guys so we wouldn't
get triggered by any stuff

1553
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:10,230
anyway, but that's what it
takes. I humbly request baby

1554
01:42:10,230 --> 01:42:14,070
making mo karma with a goat
twist as my smokin hot wife and

1555
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:19,380
I attempt to expand our family
keep doing I presume this says

1556
01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:26,460
keep doing the work let me see
us any more here I just lost it

1557
01:42:26,460 --> 01:42:28,530
here on the spreadsheet this is
Excel does

1558
01:42:28,770 --> 01:42:32,250
keep doing the work thank you
for your courage sir cow the

1559
01:42:32,250 --> 01:42:34,740
fearless Jedi Knight of the
orange fleet.

1560
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:43,530
Okay perfect. Yes of course we
got some baby making mo karma mo

1561
01:42:43,530 --> 01:42:48,630
calm with that extra extra touch
of goats can't go wrong with a

1562
01:42:48,630 --> 01:42:51,870
little bit of goat let me just
expand my spreadsheet here again

1563
01:42:51,870 --> 01:42:58,290
there we go. Onward to serve
Stokes in the sea. What is what

1564
01:42:58,290 --> 01:43:03,060
is his name here still Stokes in
the oh my god, I'm sorry. I seem

1565
01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:11,610
to have unformatted everything
unsuccessfully I got it sir

1566
01:43:11,610 --> 01:43:16,320
Stokes in the Plymouth Canalis
Paladin. He began with Mo and

1567
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:18,330
Adam wanted to share some
personal and they just sent us

1568
01:43:18,330 --> 01:43:22,680
$250 Thank you. We want to share
some personal experiences I

1569
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:26,280
think could be relevant to the
show always love this. I get

1570
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:28,530
this as a bit of Warren Piece
overs too long. Please don't

1571
01:43:28,530 --> 01:43:30,690
feel obligated to read on the
show. Now we'll we'll go through

1572
01:43:30,690 --> 01:43:35,280
it. I'm about the same age as
Adam and I am a white male. I

1573
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:38,250
was reared through my formative
years in Massachusetts up until

1574
01:43:38,250 --> 01:43:40,770
junior high. My family then
moved to Kentucky where I

1575
01:43:40,770 --> 01:43:42,690
finished junior high and went
through high school and

1576
01:43:42,690 --> 01:43:45,270
colleges. The transition period
was when there was an emphasis

1577
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:48,690
on American history and my
education in Massachusetts being

1578
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:52,800
a highly academia oriented
state. Yes, MIT all kinds of

1579
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:57,240
places. Harvard curriculum
content for that age group was

1580
01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:59,880
about a year or two ahead of the
same group in Kentucky. As a

1581
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,220
result, I went through the
teachings of American history

1582
01:44:02,220 --> 01:44:04,740
from two perspectives, which
turned out to be quite different

1583
01:44:04,740 --> 01:44:08,220
and quite enlightening. In
Massachusetts, I was taught that

1584
01:44:08,220 --> 01:44:11,610
narrative. I love how people are
using the term narrative a lot

1585
01:44:11,610 --> 01:44:14,910
today, I was taught that
perfect. I was taught the

1586
01:44:14,910 --> 01:44:17,760
narrative that we hear in media
today where Lincoln was the

1587
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:21,120
savior of the slaves.
Interestingly, interestingly, in

1588
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:23,850
Kentucky, I was taught much more
of what Moe was sharing in

1589
01:44:23,850 --> 01:44:26,970
Episode 50, which I think is
more factually accurate. This

1590
01:44:26,970 --> 01:44:29,160
may seem somewhat
counterintuitive, as you might

1591
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:33,240
expect the south to spin story
with contrary but similar bias

1592
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,660
versus what the North shared.
The at least what I perceive of

1593
01:44:36,690 --> 01:44:39,900
less biased view, may be
partially due to the fact that

1594
01:44:39,900 --> 01:44:43,500
Kentucky was somewhat of
somewhat of a cusp state in the

1595
01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:46,260
Civil War period as opposed to
being considered a true southern

1596
01:44:46,260 --> 01:44:49,650
state. A perspective that lives
on with many identify slash

1597
01:44:49,650 --> 01:44:52,830
discuss the southern states even
today. We're Kentucky is

1598
01:44:52,830 --> 01:44:56,460
frequently omitted from the list
there the one thing that stuck

1599
01:44:56,460 --> 01:44:59,370
with me says I've continued to
monitor is how the appropriation

1600
01:44:59,370 --> 01:45:03,150
of words and symbols to shapes,
symbols to shape people's

1601
01:45:03,150 --> 01:45:06,450
thinking is so manipulative,
yes, politically motivated. It's

1602
01:45:06,450 --> 01:45:08,850
always been troubling to me. But
I think it's important for

1603
01:45:08,850 --> 01:45:10,950
people to recognize now he goes
through a whole bunch of

1604
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:14,010
examples, which would really
take quite a long time. But

1605
01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:18,090
luckily, he gave us room to
edit. So I'm going to edit to

1606
01:45:18,090 --> 01:45:22,530
when he says, this is a long
winded way to say thanks for the

1607
01:45:22,530 --> 01:45:25,410
content, you're sharing monad
and much like no agenda, it

1608
01:45:25,410 --> 01:45:28,290
confirms the perspectives I've
held based on my own experiences

1609
01:45:28,290 --> 01:45:31,320
aren't crazy as the media would
have one belief. And you're so

1610
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:34,800
right. And I feel this too. It's
opened my eyes to additional

1611
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,830
contemporary things that aligned
to what I've learned in my youth

1612
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:40,860
in overtime. It's healthy. And
I've asked my children now about

1613
01:45:40,860 --> 01:45:46,560
most age I don't think I could
have been your dad Mo. He, I

1614
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:50,070
think, I think he's putting me
at a much, much older bracket,

1615
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:51,570
but I, I appreciate it.

1616
01:45:53,370 --> 01:45:56,190
Hey, maybe your children's

1617
01:45:56,399 --> 01:46:00,209
maybe most children at your
children's age. Anyway, I've

1618
01:46:00,209 --> 01:46:04,229
asked my children to listen to a
couple of specific episodes in

1619
01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:06,689
hopes that it will admit them
open their eyes wider and

1620
01:46:06,689 --> 01:46:09,329
ideally help them understand
more of the foundation that

1621
01:46:09,329 --> 01:46:12,839
leads to meet having many of my
perspectives, this all being in

1622
01:46:12,839 --> 01:46:15,839
stark contrast to what they're
being taught in academia in

1623
01:46:16,019 --> 01:46:19,949
Massholes. Yes, I've relocated
back and forth for the family

1624
01:46:19,949 --> 01:46:23,429
reasons over those vassals, I
like that. Thank you very much.

1625
01:46:23,549 --> 01:46:26,369
Do you both keep up the great
work, please. Debt meet.

1626
01:46:28,290 --> 01:46:33,330
Congratulations. You're no
longer a dead bee and

1627
01:46:33,330 --> 01:46:37,320
his show lineage is MTB, PC
Magazine, daily source code twit

1628
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,710
cranky geeks no agenda, Rogen mo
facts and good luck. He says

1629
01:46:40,710 --> 01:46:43,830
with that acronym I'm not even
going to try. And he says Wait,

1630
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:44,160
wait, wait,

1631
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:51,060
wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you
just do that on the fly? What

1632
01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:52,110
show lineage?

1633
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:56,910
No, he says it right here in his
note. I like that. It's good,

1634
01:46:56,910 --> 01:46:58,320
isn't it? Yeah,

1635
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:03,210
it's the show. What's your show
lineage? Yeah, you can see you

1636
01:47:03,210 --> 01:47:03,960
I'm sorry about that.

1637
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:06,480
You got the right show lineage,
you might qualify for

1638
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:10,170
reparations down the line. So
this is very good for anything

1639
01:47:10,170 --> 01:47:13,560
that might have bothered you.
MTV PC mag. Gotcha. And he adds

1640
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,200
a note by the way, Mo love your
approach to what are you doing

1641
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:19,500
about it? I embrace a similar
philosophy starting with the

1642
01:47:19,500 --> 01:47:22,470
kids then expand from there as
possible. Your show is

1643
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:24,990
meaningful and important
contribution to that and we

1644
01:47:24,990 --> 01:47:28,320
thank you very much, man. That's
that's perfect. Perfect,

1645
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:34,620
perfect. Perfect. Then we go to
Stephanie Gillette $100. So I

1646
01:47:34,620 --> 01:47:37,500
hope that this node finds you
well along with mine and my

1647
01:47:37,500 --> 01:47:40,800
husband's $100 donation. We are
no agenda listeners turn mo

1648
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,500
facts listeners. The information
provided on the show has been

1649
01:47:43,530 --> 01:47:47,520
eye opening and at times mind
blowing. Yeah, I feel just as

1650
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:52,170
privileged to be here myself.
Thank you for taking the time to

1651
01:47:52,170 --> 01:47:55,110
break down and Opal and discuss
these complex topics. As a white

1652
01:47:55,110 --> 01:47:58,050
female. I have longed to better
understand racism from the

1653
01:47:58,050 --> 01:48:01,530
viewpoint of my Athos, brothers
and sisters and gain insight as

1654
01:48:01,530 --> 01:48:03,720
to what it is that they seek
from the white community. Your

1655
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,660
discussion on reparations and
racism today have been extremely

1656
01:48:06,660 --> 01:48:10,080
helpful. Sadly, as someone
living in the Deep South, these

1657
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:13,560
discussions are not easy to come
by or have thanks for taking a

1658
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:16,350
step in the right direction I
pray our nation can heal from

1659
01:48:16,350 --> 01:48:19,890
our wounds and unite once again.
I'll take a moment for myself my

1660
01:48:19,890 --> 01:48:23,640
smoking on husband and our for
human resources of the Caucasian

1661
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,700
variety. Keep up the fantastic
work and may the Lord bless you

1662
01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:29,580
and keep you and thank you very
much. Stephanie and your smoker,

1663
01:48:29,580 --> 01:48:31,770
not husband that's highly
appreciated here comes to mow

1664
01:48:31,770 --> 01:48:37,890
karma. You've got Mocha, and I
feel that from what I've

1665
01:48:37,890 --> 01:48:42,090
understood from a lot of parents
of all colors and races is the

1666
01:48:42,090 --> 01:48:44,670
best way is to take your kids on
a long drive that they're

1667
01:48:44,670 --> 01:48:47,640
excited to go someplace and then
lock them in the car and play a

1668
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:52,890
couple episodes it seems to work
really well. $100 from EIT Why

1669
01:48:52,890 --> 01:48:58,140
bro Inc. No Note that we can see
also $100 from Adam Choi, who

1670
01:48:58,140 --> 01:49:02,730
says Adam and Mo Romo cult
member came from Rogan no agenda

1671
01:49:02,730 --> 01:49:05,400
mo facts here to pay tribute not
long after listening to the

1672
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,400
Kanye episode, I came across
some discussion on the

1673
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,310
censorship and suppression of
Kanye is recent music video for

1674
01:49:11,310 --> 01:49:15,240
his song wash us in the blood.
While the music video is highly

1675
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:18,030
controversial and teeming with
provocative footage and

1676
01:49:18,030 --> 01:49:20,520
symbolism there seems to be a
concerted effort to suppress the

1677
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:24,300
video by YouTube. The videos
been age restrict history

1678
01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:29,010
restricted. Well, cardi B's Whap
is not. The view count has been

1679
01:49:29,010 --> 01:49:31,890
frozen at about 9 million views
for two weeks now. And many

1680
01:49:31,890 --> 01:49:34,740
people who watch a lot of videos
about Kanye and Travis Scott

1681
01:49:34,740 --> 01:49:36,840
couldn't find this video and
their recommendations or

1682
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:40,350
sidebar. They had to manually
search for it. Well, I'd love to

1683
01:49:40,350 --> 01:49:42,960
hear and analysis of all the
symbolism and references in the

1684
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,960
song I wanted to first bring up
the controversy surrounding the

1685
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,170
video. I rewatched that
interview where Kanye goes on

1686
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,960
Kanye goes on a rant about woke
culture and he says I've been

1687
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,290
killed so many times. And this
seems like yet another attempt

1688
01:49:55,290 --> 01:49:58,020
at either have you heard about
the issue? Also, can I get a D

1689
01:49:58,020 --> 01:50:02,970
deadbeat and the Pelosi try On
Pelosi jobs combo, you are

1690
01:50:02,970 --> 01:50:05,550
crossing over on that, but I
think we can do that and they

1691
01:50:05,550 --> 01:50:05,970
see.

1692
01:50:06,330 --> 01:50:11,550
Congratulations. You're no
longer dead. The Do you

1693
01:50:11,550 --> 01:50:15,990
want to? Well, I find the Pelosi
Trump jobs karma. Sure.

1694
01:50:17,010 --> 01:50:19,890
I'm gonna say it's so
suppressed. I haven't even heard

1695
01:50:19,890 --> 01:50:26,010
this video. Really? That's yet
really that's why I'm like,

1696
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:30,510
What? What video? Yeah, I'm
gonna have to go look at that

1697
01:50:30,510 --> 01:50:34,410
because, I mean, I have a lot of
Kanye on my playlist and it

1698
01:50:34,410 --> 01:50:37,500
shouldn't be recommended you
would think me especially when

1699
01:50:40,170 --> 01:50:42,870
that should be something which
to be suggested to me. I think

1700
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:47,070
I'm at the right age level.
Yeah, age level and interest. So

1701
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:48,990
yeah, that definitely
suppressing this.

1702
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:54,239
But that's also that's also
weird because you're a Kanye

1703
01:50:54,749 --> 01:51:00,779
aficionado. You follow him and
so Wow, well, I didn't want I

1704
01:51:00,779 --> 01:51:03,269
want a full report next time I
wanted I haven't seen

1705
01:51:03,630 --> 01:51:06,750
had to go look it up. So this
show is over. What's going on?

1706
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,000
All right, it might be another
rabbit hole.

1707
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:10,590
Here you go. Adam joy,

1708
01:51:10,620 --> 01:51:17,790
jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and
jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

1709
01:51:19,380 --> 01:51:23,190
There you go. And thank you very
much for supporting the show and

1710
01:51:23,190 --> 01:51:29,340
Neiman $100 as well. No notes
storm Williams. $100 Thank you,

1711
01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:33,300
Adam and Moe, you're really
helping people. Hate You people

1712
01:51:33,300 --> 01:51:36,900
got to do the work. You got to
propagate the formula. And that

1713
01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:40,650
is I yeah, that is our last
executive producer for episode

1714
01:51:40,650 --> 01:51:44,880
number 51. Now we go to our
Associate Executive producers at

1715
01:51:45,390 --> 01:51:50,190
$52 we have da Slama the God who
says I made a clerical error

1716
01:51:50,190 --> 01:51:53,970
last episode and did $49 club
member donation to Episode 50

1717
01:51:54,210 --> 01:51:57,390
Because my pod player didn't
show episode 50 When I returned

1718
01:51:57,390 --> 01:52:00,210
the value I thought about
getting $1 to compensate but

1719
01:52:00,210 --> 01:52:02,340
didn't want to burden the team
of accountants in the back

1720
01:52:02,340 --> 01:52:06,270
office. So here's an extra
dollar for show 51 The show 15

1721
01:52:07,230 --> 01:52:11,640
To do a club number club member
to make up for my error. Don't

1722
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:15,270
worry it will make you whole on
the back end okay, we have no

1723
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:18,630
problem with you DH Slammer the
God we got it you're in. You're

1724
01:52:18,630 --> 01:52:23,490
an episode number member for
sure. And thanks to Joe Badri.

1725
01:52:24,300 --> 01:52:29,250
$51.80 mo Adam, thank you for
helping me do the work. Beyond

1726
01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:31,980
my history learnings. Well,
that's beyond your history. It's

1727
01:52:31,980 --> 01:52:35,700
pretty much all the work.
Episode 50 was a real eye opener

1728
01:52:35,790 --> 01:52:39,000
about what I had missed out in
my education. I appreciate the

1729
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,400
lessons. I've already hit a
friend in the mouth and would

1730
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:44,250
appreciate mo karma and a deed
debt beating love and light,

1731
01:52:44,250 --> 01:52:44,940
Says Joe.

1732
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:54,600
Congratulations. You're no
longer a deadbeat. You've got

1733
01:52:58,740 --> 01:53:03,510
$61 from please call me Jake. I
will call you Jake. All the

1734
01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:06,510
episodes have been informative
and educational, he writes. But

1735
01:53:06,510 --> 01:53:10,020
I have had to go to Home Depot
to buy extra tarps for these

1736
01:53:10,020 --> 01:53:16,200
last few. Keep it up and I'm
going to find out how to buy

1737
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:21,330
stock in the blue tarp company.
Thank you, Jane. Very, very

1738
01:53:21,330 --> 01:53:26,760
entertaining. Then we go to
Joshua Jackson and Joshua

1739
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:30,150
Jackson Jackson $51. So another
episode club membership.

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Gentlemen, excellent show. Can I
get a D deadbeat please? Yes, of

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course you can.

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Congratulation, you're no longer
dead. The

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01:53:42,389 --> 01:53:46,109
second question was episode 50.
The season one finale or the

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01:53:46,109 --> 01:53:49,949
season two premiere? Well, the
answer to that is yes. Episode

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01:53:49,949 --> 01:53:54,179
50. Yet two hours, 30 minutes 30
seconds. Mo brings up the

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01:53:54,179 --> 01:53:57,389
welfare state and no man in the
house. Been around since the

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01:53:57,389 --> 01:54:01,349
40s 50s and 60s and no one is
asking, how do we get men back

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01:54:01,349 --> 01:54:04,919
in the house? MO You suggested
the possibility that the powers

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01:54:04,919 --> 01:54:09,029
that be don't want a man in the
home as it feeds to the prison

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01:54:09,209 --> 01:54:12,449
industrial complex. I'd like to
suggest an alternative

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possibility. In 2020 men and
women and women men can can give

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01:54:18,029 --> 01:54:20,549
birth to children, biological
men and young women are

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01:54:20,549 --> 01:54:23,879
participating in women's sports
and so on. Any objection to any

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01:54:23,879 --> 01:54:27,329
of these views is hate speech.
Is it now transphobic

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01:54:27,329 --> 01:54:30,659
transphobic to or to suggest
that a child needs a man in the

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01:54:30,659 --> 01:54:33,989
home or they need a father in
their life? Well, I wouldn't say

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01:54:33,989 --> 01:54:38,039
it's transphobic. But for short,
it's being pushed against hard.

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01:54:38,789 --> 01:54:41,819
No one could have known it in
the 40s when they push men out

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01:54:41,819 --> 01:54:44,729
of the home that 80 years later
we'd be redefining what it means

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01:54:44,729 --> 01:54:48,989
to be a man woman Father, have
the less views on gender and

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01:54:48,989 --> 01:54:51,989
trans issues painted themselves
into a corner where they cannot

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01:54:51,989 --> 01:54:55,199
advocate for a man in the home
lest they be labeled transphobic

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01:54:55,199 --> 01:54:58,889
or sexist. Josh Jackson. I'll
take that Josh. I'll answer

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01:54:58,889 --> 01:55:02,459
that. No I don't think that's
the problem at all. They

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01:55:02,459 --> 01:55:06,239
literally do not want men in the
homes to this day and they don't

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want men in the movement and
they don't want men anywhere but

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apparently shutting up or as a
as a martyr symbol. How do I do

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mo

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feel much better now. And there
is dh Slammer the God was $51

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That's his show club donation so
he's all over the place we love

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you thank you for your support
DH Slammer the god $51 from

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Shane McLaughlin McLaughlin Hey
Mo and Adam new listen to the

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show discovered in September
around the time I found no

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agenda by the time you read
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deduced. This will be my first
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D deadbeat mate.

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Congratulations. You're no
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I really appreciate all the work
you guys do as a white male from

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rural Western Pennsylvania I can
only learn to understand the

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quote seek to understand then to
be understood that most said a

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01:56:05,759 --> 01:56:08,699
couple episodes back has really
stuck with me. Thank you guys

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01:56:08,699 --> 01:56:11,279
again for everything you do and
we'll continue to do can I get

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some more karma please keep
doing the work and stay safe out

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there. Shane McLaughlin from the
rural outskirts of Pennsylvania.

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Yes, of course. We got some
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Habits of Highly Effective
People, which people should

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definitely try to incorporate.

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everything's fantastic. Right.
$51 another club member for John

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Taylor says making me feel it's
time for reparations. And he's

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got some emojis there that
didn't translate into the

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spreadsheet, but I'm sure they
were good. Kurt Collins

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5150 5051 I'm sorry. Peace and
love from Kurt and Jen.

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Congratulations on Season One
success. We can't tell you how

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much your conversation means to
us dissecting the issues and

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uncovering the truth keep it
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Well worth the price of
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bread Shah

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you go hopefully that did it for
you Eric England $50.45 Hi mo an

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animal just a little episode
donation for episode 50 plus 45

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for health for 45 Savage. Throw
this into the give blacks guns

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fund I started the show at
number 32 But did the work and

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01:57:46,170 --> 01:57:48,510
went back to the start and
caught all the episodes this is

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truly the Lord's work to do and
here wish it was mandatory

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01:57:51,180 --> 01:57:54,510
listening in schools keep up the
outstanding efforts the country

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now really the world needs you
to keep this going. Thank you

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01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,540
both. I'm off to find some
butter biscuits right now. Oh

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does that mean he wants to
butter biscuit kids we could get

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01:58:03,420 --> 01:58:05,700
we could give him a butter
biscuit. They always give me a

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01:58:05,700 --> 01:58:09,480
biscuit on my birthday. And if
you're homeschooling or if you

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know someone who is
homeschooling Why don't you

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01:58:11,490 --> 01:58:15,060
recommend two more facts with
Adam curry. The parents can

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01:58:15,060 --> 01:58:18,810
easily review it first before
they let their kids listen but a

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lot of them who a lot of
homeschoolers are sharing this

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with their children whoever
thought myself you know like I'm

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busy J and now this Frankie T
$50 SOC executive producer ship

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for Frankie happy half century
Moe and Adam really happy every

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time the episode queues up thank
you for your courage both not

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much mouse left Adam you guys
hit me from all sides all the

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best. Frankie T Theodora
Dorinda, on Janna. Again on

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Janna. $50 with no nope but we
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Rosenberg $50 He wants to cancel
canon. Always happy to do it.

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Steven s also $50 Mo and Adam
you make quite a pair great

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thing you are doing. I've
listened to Adam since the daily

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01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:18,060
source code that goes back I
believe I donated to no agenda

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01:59:18,060 --> 01:59:20,520
once in the past but it's been a
long time so I guess I'm a

1830
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:23,880
douchebag I got douchebag status
after so long. I started

1831
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:26,730
listening to mo facts at episode
number one have just finished

1832
01:59:26,730 --> 01:59:30,030
episode 48 So I'm about caught
up. What you're doing must be

1833
01:59:30,030 --> 01:59:33,210
pretty magical because you got
this cheapskate to send you a

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01:59:33,210 --> 01:59:37,620
$50 donation. Steve asked from
North port Florida mo comm or to

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the both of you and we'll send
it right back at you Steve thank

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you so much. You've got another
$50 here from Susan who says she

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looks forward to each episode.
Thank you guys so much, Adrian

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Zaba $50 Keep added boys love
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wonder if there's an message in
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understanding says Keep
spreading the good word Logan

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from West Virginia. Thank you
Logan Bradley Taylor $25 Jason

1842
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camp $20 and says mind blown
once again with episode 50. Keep

1843
02:00:13,380 --> 02:00:16,440
up the good work. And thank you
for your courage and for opening

1844
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:23,010
our eyes here. Curtis Thomas
came in twice with 1987. And he

1845
02:00:23,010 --> 02:00:27,360
says he had professors Moe and
Adam, your show has become very

1846
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:30,060
important to me on a personal
level, I find you're telling my

1847
02:00:30,060 --> 02:00:33,510
family history in a sense, at
least my dad's side. I'm a das

1848
02:00:33,510 --> 02:00:36,300
only on one half but I've always
rooted for the underdog, so to

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speak. One comment I will make.
From what I can tell you guys

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02:00:39,690 --> 02:00:43,260
have strived to be cleaned
language wise, I so appreciate

1851
02:00:43,260 --> 02:00:45,660
that. Because I really want to
just play these episodes for my

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02:00:45,660 --> 02:00:48,930
kids, I would humbly ask you to
try even harder to keep the

1853
02:00:48,930 --> 02:00:52,530
language clean in order to open
this content up to a wider and

1854
02:00:52,530 --> 02:00:56,340
younger audience. Blessings to
both of you and the entire Mofaz

1855
02:00:56,340 --> 02:00:58,800
community. I'm a little dry
right now financially, but you

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02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:02,220
guys have a lot more coming for
me love from Thomas fan from the

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02:01:02,220 --> 02:01:05,610
Thomas family in Missouri.
You're absolutely right, Curtis,

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02:01:05,700 --> 02:01:08,790
I cannot be sitting here and
saying you need to use it for

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02:01:08,790 --> 02:01:12,420
homeschooling. When I'm the one
that is costing the most. I will

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02:01:12,450 --> 02:01:15,180
do the work even better. I
apologize for that. And I think

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02:01:15,180 --> 02:01:18,960
I said it here in this episode
too. So apologies. I'll get

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02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:22,350
better. And his second donation
for the same amount he says

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02:01:22,350 --> 02:01:25,980
here's to schooling and ruling
much love me you both experience

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02:01:25,980 --> 02:01:29,010
more abundance and grace. Oh,
you're blessed. Ever since we

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02:01:29,010 --> 02:01:30,870
started doing the show the
blessings. You've just been

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02:01:30,870 --> 02:01:35,040
fantastic. Aaron Brown $15 says
thanks for a great podcast. been

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02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:38,490
listening since I saw Adam on
Joe Rogan over the pandemic.

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I've gone back and listen to all
the past episodes Keep up the

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great work. And can I get a mo
karma? Of course you can. You've

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got $11 from Matthew Laboratory.
He says thanks for the education

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Robert case. $10 of value guys
more than this. Of course, I've

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learned so much now it's
whatever. Again, the value is

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02:02:00,990 --> 02:02:04,590
whatever you've got whatever
this is, clearly $10 is valuable

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to you. That's all we care
about. That's what just put the

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02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:12,000
value that you felt for this
show. Or whatever you learned

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02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:15,570
whatever. Whatever you got out
of it. Robert O'Donnell Exactly.

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02:02:15,750 --> 02:02:19,290
$10 Fantastic show always
blowing my mind appreciate you

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02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:23,400
doing the work. Kevin salg $5.

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02:02:24,990 --> 02:02:28,470
Airbnb King on Insta told me to
send this to you. He said no

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02:02:28,470 --> 02:02:31,050
shout out whatever that means.
Oh, this is a pass through. I

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like that. It's just like,
that's, that's a way to do it.

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And Terry Keller, I think is
coming before with 411.

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All the time, every single shine
number four one. Yeah. Well,

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we're getting we're given the
411. And that concludes our all

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02:02:47,759 --> 02:02:51,809
of our supporters for episode
number 51 of Mo facts with Adam

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02:02:51,809 --> 02:02:56,129
curry. And thank you so much.
It's beautiful to see. To see

1887
02:02:56,129 --> 02:02:59,369
everyone supporting the show and
supporting the work and doing

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02:02:59,369 --> 02:03:02,969
the work themselves. And really
when you send those notes about

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how it's impacted you or your
family or your life, it that's I

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would say that's what my when I
talk about the most offline Yep,

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it's like Mankey believes this.
Something's actually it's we're

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02:03:14,609 --> 02:03:17,189
making some kind of difference.
It's it start

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and not start. And not only
them, but they want their kids

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to hear us, which that is.
That's mind blowing. I'm blown

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away by that. And I'll say this,
if somebody wants to do some

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value and make some claim edits
of our show that will no, we

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can't go back in time machine
and correct. We were saying

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anything that may be out there,
but maybe some goodbye can do a

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value of that

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or even better in that way. How
about this, if you if you catch

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02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:49,020
it if you catch one that, like
in this episode, I don't know

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02:03:49,020 --> 02:03:53,220
where it was right down the time
code, send it to me and I'll

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I'll do a re edit and I can re
edit all these and put them back

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02:03:55,980 --> 02:04:01,290
up? I wouldn't mind. Yeah, yeah,
that's important to me. Because,

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02:04:02,310 --> 02:04:06,330
well, exactly what you said,
This is it. We need this to be

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able to be taught in school. And
even though I find a lot of the

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things that you might hear in
clips, a lot more offensive. And

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then the cuss words. I
appreciate it, and I understand

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it, and I will do much better
with that. And with that, thank

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you to everyone who supported
the Show, episode number 51. To

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learn more, go to mo facts mo e
f a c t z.com. We also have an

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archive page now with a cute
little player there so you can

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ram through the episodes if
you're looking for something

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specific. That's at archive.mo
facts calm and to go directly to

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our donation page where you can
hit us with the Cash App and

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PayPal. That is Mo fund
me.com moefundme.com And thank

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you all again once again for
supporting us here mo facts with

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Adam curry.

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So I know I've harped a lot
about on the sentiment that

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people want it separate but
equal, or there's a good portion

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of people that want to separate
but equal. Now I need to put up

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02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:14,700
or shut up. So I room ready to
put up. All right, I have these

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clips from a couple of
gentlemen. And then a couple of

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leaders followed, understand
following the gentleman

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speaking. And one of them is
this. The first gentleman is a

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teacher from Farmville,
Virginia. And he's going to

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speak about his specific
experiences with the Board of

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Education. He is actually from
farm village, Virginia, where

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you know, where Brown versus
Board of Education had a big

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rolling. So I guess we can get
into separate but equal one,

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when I first heard about
integration, and heard that may

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possibly one day be the, you
know, the way things would go, I

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had very mixed feelings about
it. I was no more anxious to

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mingle with white people, than
I'm sure many of them were

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anxious to mingle with me. I
felt the same reservations, the

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same prejudices, I guess, I'm
amazed to say that any of them

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felt, you know. So I was not at
all thrilled over the prospect.

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But as time went on, I began to
realize that possibly this was,

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after all, the only way that the
terrible injustice is could be

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somewhat alleviated. And so more
and more began to favor the idea

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of integration. But I think many
black people felt just as I did,

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they really didn't want any
parts of white people, they

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would have preferred if it were,
you know, I've often thought, if

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separate but equal had been a
reality, you'd never had an

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integration struggle.

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Isn't it interesting? He's the
educate? Yeah, that's just isn't

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it? Interesting? How, if you
just let people know, where do

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black and white men come
together, sports, sports at a

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bar, you know, where you're
hanging out? The minute you

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force it, it's like, Why,
where's that's where friendships

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are made. The friendships are
made in the in the, in the

1952
02:07:16,230 --> 02:07:18,990
casual sense, at least, that's
my experience.

1953
02:07:20,700 --> 02:07:26,520
In and when you let down your
you, everybody has reservations

1954
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:30,960
and the reservations really come
from the media and what you

1955
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:33,630
think you know about somebody?
How can you know about somebody

1956
02:07:33,630 --> 02:07:40,680
if you don't know a person is so
as self feeding. And as he said,

1957
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:44,910
he had prejudices itself. And
the reason why it's such a big

1958
02:07:44,910 --> 02:07:49,740
deal to me, these are things
I've heard, older people say is

1959
02:07:49,740 --> 02:07:53,760
like we had, and it's not about
not being around other people.

1960
02:07:55,050 --> 02:08:00,180
We you have to understand when
they ship my dad off to his

1961
02:08:00,180 --> 02:08:05,430
school, the school he left from
and yeah, close down. Yeah.

1962
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:10,260
That's so his children, they get
a chance to go to his alma

1963
02:08:10,260 --> 02:08:13,440
mater, you know, his children
didn't get to, you know, go

1964
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,870
through the play for high school
football, who you play high

1965
02:08:15,870 --> 02:08:19,950
school football for these things
that have real life impacts. And

1966
02:08:19,950 --> 02:08:24,720
then you just jam people
together, which just jam people

1967
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:30,600
together in any sense. Any, you
know, since the process is

1968
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:33,540
negative, because if you're
forcing people to be together

1969
02:08:33,540 --> 02:08:37,650
now, and I want to say this,
this is the portion where we

1970
02:08:37,650 --> 02:08:40,200
might get labeled as
segregationist, or blah, blah,

1971
02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:43,860
blah, but we don't care. Because
what we're trying to do is

1972
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:47,280
Foster, how can we be
segregationist when we're doing

1973
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:51,180
an integrated podcast? I mean,
come on, put your head. But we

1974
02:08:51,180 --> 02:08:54,960
came together because we wanted
to talk to each other. You know

1975
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:56,910
what, you have an interesting
perspective, I have an

1976
02:08:56,910 --> 02:09:00,720
interesting perspective. Let's
have a conversation about it.

1977
02:09:00,780 --> 02:09:05,610
And guess what? People want to
hear it. We didn't say all this

1978
02:09:05,610 --> 02:09:06,750
coming this season, you know,

1979
02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:12,960
black versus white, what will he
say its crown pro contract.

1980
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:18,240
What? Yeah, exactly. It's coffee
and cream. Every Mac and jacket

1981
02:09:18,270 --> 02:09:19,170
here at you

1982
02:09:20,160 --> 02:09:24,450
know, it's nothing. That is we
actually talk more about what we

1983
02:09:24,450 --> 02:09:28,680
have in common and the things
that divide us. And you fill in

1984
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:31,170
a lot of gaps for me, and
hopefully, I'll fill in a lot of

1985
02:09:31,170 --> 02:09:32,100
gaps for you.

1986
02:09:32,190 --> 02:09:34,650
And what is the what is the
number one thing the number one

1987
02:09:34,650 --> 02:09:39,570
thing that I think always
connects us, our families and

1988
02:09:39,570 --> 02:09:42,750
our kids. We don't talk about
them on the air. But you know,

1989
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:46,470
believe me, we're like, stupid
kids, man. Can you believe this

1990
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:48,870
kid? And that's the kind of
stuff we talk about.

1991
02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:54,360
And the fear of where we see
these things headed. I mean, you

1992
02:09:54,360 --> 02:09:57,480
hit on a key point there. I
gotta give you one of those

1993
02:09:57,570 --> 02:10:01,530
because you hit on a key point.
What is The World gonna be that

1994
02:10:01,530 --> 02:10:07,320
our kids inherit if we keep on
this same cycle that we're

1995
02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:13,980
headed. Where does this end? Are
you going to race me? Are you

1996
02:10:13,980 --> 02:10:18,030
going to race Adam? I mean,
like, or are we going to be so

1997
02:10:18,030 --> 02:10:21,810
are my kids gonna be so racially
charged up and you're so

1998
02:10:21,810 --> 02:10:26,040
racially charged up it they're
anxious around each other camera

1999
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:30,330
conversation. Now we need to
tell which we're trying to tear

2000
02:10:30,330 --> 02:10:34,650
down. These things that put up
to the bitis integration wasn't

2001
02:10:34,650 --> 02:10:39,090
really to bring us together was
really to to erase one or the

2002
02:10:39,090 --> 02:10:42,210
other or both. I mean, if you
have sinister you want to get to

2003
02:10:42,210 --> 02:10:45,810
it. But yeah, um and we're
hitting it straight straight

2004
02:10:45,810 --> 02:10:49,500
from these people's mouths and
let me not stand in the way and

2005
02:10:49,500 --> 02:10:52,410
I will say one thing doesn't
this guy site red fox

2006
02:10:53,970 --> 02:10:57,000
does very much very much like
red fox as

2007
02:11:04,500 --> 02:11:06,210
they get into number two,

2008
02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:08,700
right people would have been I
think would have been very, very

2009
02:11:08,700 --> 02:11:13,980
satisfied to maintain but just
make sure it's equal. And that's

2010
02:11:13,980 --> 02:11:19,650
where the problem are Milton
high schooler a joke man with a

2011
02:11:19,650 --> 02:11:24,540
couple of tarpaper shacks, which
will unsightly and compared to

2012
02:11:25,380 --> 02:11:28,350
the farm bill high school, you
know, this, this the idea of

2013
02:11:28,350 --> 02:11:37,560
separate books. So, so torn
apart. In one case, a friend of

2014
02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:40,860
mine is supposed to teach
chemistry man, the only books he

2015
02:11:40,860 --> 02:11:46,320
could get. He had shreds and
particles with pieces of books.

2016
02:11:46,710 --> 02:11:50,370
And by linking up in his
classroom, these paths out what

2017
02:11:50,370 --> 02:11:55,080
he had. By linking up together
the kids were then able to, to

2018
02:11:55,080 --> 02:11:58,560
get together enough material to
these books had been discarded

2019
02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:01,590
by the white high school some
years before and passed on to

2020
02:12:01,590 --> 02:12:05,070
the black school. Now this
points out the the weakness and

2021
02:12:05,070 --> 02:12:08,220
the corruption of the principal
who was blocked this teacher

2022
02:12:08,220 --> 02:12:11,580
friend and not knowing the chain
of commands a brand new teacher

2023
02:12:13,080 --> 02:12:15,900
went to the superintendency
liquid liquid network, I can

2024
02:12:15,900 --> 02:12:18,450
work with that. How can I teach
chemistry with this junk and

2025
02:12:18,450 --> 02:12:24,750
immediately got a brand new set
of books to his classroom. Now,

2026
02:12:25,290 --> 02:12:28,680
the point of this is that
principal could also have done

2027
02:12:28,680 --> 02:12:32,520
that, but it was better for the
principal to report a surplus.

2028
02:12:32,520 --> 02:12:39,150
It didn't happen. Oh, gosh.
That's like, Is that amazing?

2029
02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:44,340
Yeah. That's lame. So tip no,
but

2030
02:12:45,420 --> 02:12:49,410
he was so indoctrinated with
fear. Yeah, that he wouldn't

2031
02:12:49,410 --> 02:12:52,710
even go ask for the resources
that he needed. So he was seeing

2032
02:12:52,710 --> 02:12:56,340
like a good principle and that
he was doing his job. So what

2033
02:12:56,340 --> 02:13:01,050
was your job? We really have to
ask these questions. And like I

2034
02:13:01,050 --> 02:13:04,200
said, I don't want to make this
a gender, not gender, but

2035
02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:09,270
generational war. But in certain
circumstances, we have to ask,

2036
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:13,770
is this the best deal you could
have gotten? Yeah, I mean, like

2037
02:13:13,770 --> 02:13:18,690
serious. Think about this.
There's books. And I'll say

2038
02:13:18,690 --> 02:13:23,550
this. The problem with this is
if the so called white people

2039
02:13:23,670 --> 02:13:27,900
are earmarking money aside and
having books available, and

2040
02:13:27,900 --> 02:13:30,600
nobody has come picking them up.
What does that look like to

2041
02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:37,110
them? Yeah, it's like yeah, I
don't care. So then it feeds

2042
02:13:37,110 --> 02:13:39,510
into the narrative that oh,
yeah, they don't want to do

2043
02:13:39,510 --> 02:13:42,630
better. And then here's this guy
all he's got to do with ads for

2044
02:13:42,630 --> 02:13:46,350
books and he can get him but
he's on I'll let our kids use

2045
02:13:46,890 --> 02:13:51,030
scraps. I mean, scraps my dog I
said my dad told me I had to

2046
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:52,920
hear it from this gentleman my
dad was saying they were had to

2047
02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:56,250
go to school like a week early
to help the teachers putting the

2048
02:13:56,250 --> 02:14:00,990
books together. Together Yeah,
pages missing go look for ignore

2049
02:14:01,020 --> 02:14:03,480
this or that, you know, you
know, books, whole sections come

2050
02:14:03,480 --> 02:14:07,230
out. They will have to mend them
back together and yet and still,

2051
02:14:07,410 --> 02:14:11,250
the resources were there. So
this is the Boulais gatekeepers.

2052
02:14:11,340 --> 02:14:16,560
This is why I harp so hard. I'm
gonna Boulay. They say what they

2053
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:23,370
think their keepers want to
hear. It's like yes, no balls,

2054
02:14:23,400 --> 02:14:26,130
you know, yeah, well, no one no
books balls we do. I'm fine over

2055
02:14:26,130 --> 02:14:32,160
here. But at the at the
detriment of the children they

2056
02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:33,090
posed to be represented,

2057
02:14:33,180 --> 02:14:36,840
but that mo that's gotta be
trauma, historical trauma that

2058
02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:39,780
people have grown up with to
think that way.

2059
02:14:40,769 --> 02:14:45,239
I wouldn't say historical trauma
because when we did the corona

2060
02:14:45,239 --> 02:14:48,449
episode, remember the higher
ups? Yeah, they were saying why

2061
02:14:48,449 --> 02:14:50,459
are you putting them on a
ventilator? Because that's what

2062
02:14:50,459 --> 02:14:52,979
higher up said, Why are you
doing this because what the

2063
02:14:52,979 --> 02:14:56,699
higher is not. I'm not saying
that's not part of it. Right,

2064
02:14:56,699 --> 02:14:59,999
but just do keep status quo
hierarchy.

2065
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:00,240
or

2066
02:15:00,810 --> 02:15:04,350
go along? Yeah, yeah, they just
go, Well, I don't want to make

2067
02:15:04,350 --> 02:15:07,950
any waves. I don't want to, you
know, that's killing people.

2068
02:15:08,340 --> 02:15:08,760
That's what

2069
02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:13,500
the German said in in the late
30s. We, we didn't know we're

2070
02:15:13,500 --> 02:15:18,480
just following orders. And they
can hate ya.

2071
02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:22,499
See where it had that? Sometimes
you have to question these

2072
02:15:22,499 --> 02:15:26,789
things. Sometimes you have to
question What's the motive here?

2073
02:15:26,879 --> 02:15:30,899
Yeah. Why? Why don't you want to
go get books. But let's not

2074
02:15:30,899 --> 02:15:35,429
let's wrap up with the last clip
from the gentleman from

2075
02:15:35,429 --> 02:15:37,019
Farmville, I could

2076
02:15:37,260 --> 02:15:39,900
say to non instance and
vulnerable at the same kind of

2077
02:15:39,900 --> 02:15:44,040
thinking it's better to report a
surplus at the end of the year,

2078
02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:49,170
thus protecting myself and make
myself if a boy downtown, then

2079
02:15:49,170 --> 02:15:52,800
to go down and ask for material
that absolutely desperately

2080
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:57,390
needed by the children just
passed and look at the physical

2081
02:15:57,390 --> 02:16:02,550
plants would have told you what
a fallacy What a joke What a

2082
02:16:02,550 --> 02:16:05,730
hoax separate, but it was,
there's no way in the world that

2083
02:16:05,730 --> 02:16:09,930
any reasonable person could
compare Mountain High School, as

2084
02:16:09,930 --> 02:16:13,110
I said, a small brick building
maybe four, maybe five

2085
02:16:13,110 --> 02:16:17,760
classrooms, supplemented by two
tarpaper shacks, which were ugly

2086
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:20,700
and unsightly. There's no way
where you could have compared

2087
02:16:20,700 --> 02:16:28,440
that with Farmville high school
that look at Noten the, the the

2088
02:16:29,250 --> 02:16:32,250
outlying buildings were heated
by wood stoves and one of the

2089
02:16:32,250 --> 02:16:36,090
teachers in addition to teaching
classes, in addition to driving

2090
02:16:36,090 --> 02:16:39,000
the school bus had the
additional responsibility of

2091
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:43,560
keeping the fires going in these
buildings at the white high

2092
02:16:43,560 --> 02:16:48,630
school to have a janitor. I
mean, the disparity was just

2093
02:16:48,630 --> 02:16:52,530
ridiculous. There's absolutely
no, no separate, but it was

2094
02:16:52,530 --> 02:16:58,470
separate. All right. And very,
on April, I foresaw, I thought I

2095
02:16:58,470 --> 02:17:02,850
saw it, it might come to
bloodshed. And I wondered if

2096
02:17:02,880 --> 02:17:06,270
worth it for any single person
to die for something like that.

2097
02:17:06,780 --> 02:17:09,570
And I said nothing and always
been separate, but equal, but

2098
02:17:09,570 --> 02:17:12,750
truly equal in a meaningful
sense.

2099
02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:17,670
And I'll comment on this that,
you know, we laugh about the

2100
02:17:17,700 --> 02:17:24,060
platinum deal. But I do like
President Trump's idea of school

2101
02:17:24,060 --> 02:17:28,740
choice where the parent will be
able to determine where the

2102
02:17:28,740 --> 02:17:31,830
money goes to which school and I
presume you could do the

2103
02:17:31,830 --> 02:17:34,410
homeschooling, whatever it is
you want to do, the parent will

2104
02:17:34,410 --> 02:17:38,010
decide, not the municipality,
not the local school district,

2105
02:17:38,190 --> 02:17:41,820
and also really puts the school
system on notice. I really liked

2106
02:17:41,820 --> 02:17:45,930
that. And I I'm sure it has to
go through Congress, you know,

2107
02:17:45,930 --> 02:17:49,890
he could do an executive order.
But now that has to go into law.

2108
02:17:49,980 --> 02:17:52,470
I don't see a lot of Democrats
jumping up and down about it.

2109
02:17:52,470 --> 02:17:55,140
Actually, I think about it. But
I really

2110
02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:57,720
indoctrinate the children. I
mean, that's, that's

2111
02:17:57,720 --> 02:18:00,150
counterproductive to the
indoctrination. It's like, we

2112
02:18:00,150 --> 02:18:05,190
gotta get him through this
narrative over here. And I

2113
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:09,900
missed the point of pointing
this out. But early in the show,

2114
02:18:10,020 --> 02:18:14,220
the narrative is you were a
slave. Honestly, a freed you.

2115
02:18:15,090 --> 02:18:18,000
Not the king. Yes, you you still
have a rights. Right. That's it.

2116
02:18:18,030 --> 02:18:19,980
That's all they ever want to
teach you.

2117
02:18:20,550 --> 02:18:24,360
And style. And stop. That's all
you need to know, you got enough

2118
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:25,200
information now.

2119
02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:30,750
Because everything after that is
all we're still striving for

2120
02:18:30,750 --> 02:18:33,090
integration, we're still
striving for integrate this,

2121
02:18:33,150 --> 02:18:37,860
this. That's why I'm not against
the idea of integration. I'm

2122
02:18:37,860 --> 02:18:41,400
gonna guess the point of it
being this solution to our

2123
02:18:41,400 --> 02:18:45,810
problem, and only we can solve
our problem, no matter now. You

2124
02:18:45,810 --> 02:18:48,570
can have the platinum plan, you
can have the rhodium plan, you

2125
02:18:48,570 --> 02:18:51,870
can have the ice, that bling
bling plan, and less black

2126
02:18:51,870 --> 02:18:57,090
people become independent and
solve problems for themselves

2127
02:18:57,900 --> 02:19:02,190
and build their own. It won't
work. It won't it will not work.

2128
02:19:02,190 --> 02:19:06,060
Because it's just like, when you
have children until a child goes

2129
02:19:06,060 --> 02:19:09,570
out and builds his own house and
builds own family, everything

2130
02:19:09,570 --> 02:19:13,710
else. They can be successful in
your house. I mean, like in a

2131
02:19:13,710 --> 02:19:16,800
career, but there's still gonna
be something lacking. And that's

2132
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:20,550
the point I want to make now. Do
you need a starter money? Every

2133
02:19:20,550 --> 02:19:24,060
venture capitalist? No, we need
our VC. That's what this whole

2134
02:19:24,060 --> 02:19:29,310
atonement is about is not build
the corporation under structure

2135
02:19:29,310 --> 02:19:33,240
for us. But you do need funding.
You do need the proper schools.

2136
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:37,350
You know, you need to stop the
narrative. And I want to say one

2137
02:19:37,350 --> 02:19:41,190
more thing before we continue
on. It's not I was beaten up on

2138
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:44,280
the precipice a little bit but
it continues to this day.

2139
02:19:44,700 --> 02:19:50,520
Parents know themselves right
now. I think that last year, we

2140
02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:54,540
had to do school supplies this
year, but last year, my kids had

2141
02:19:54,540 --> 02:19:59,970
to bring 24 glue sticks to
school. Every child in class

2142
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,420
What are y'all doing eatin glue
sticks? I mean, what is it for

2143
02:20:03,420 --> 02:20:08,520
lunch? I know what that is is
you bring enough for the parents

2144
02:20:08,520 --> 02:20:12,150
that won't have it. See that
because the person was too

2145
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:13,470
scared to go downtown

2146
02:20:13,470 --> 02:20:17,910
and say I need some more glue
sticks. Exactly. So

2147
02:20:17,910 --> 02:20:20,880
what they do it they put the
snap burden onto the parents,

2148
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:26,040
they put the the glue sticks and
the paper and the pencils and

2149
02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:29,910
hand sanitizers. And then and
then they ask for more glue

2150
02:20:29,910 --> 02:20:34,050
sticks halfway through the year,
I might hold on 20 Kids toss

2151
02:20:34,050 --> 02:20:39,990
2024 glue sticks come on almost
500 images and roughly almost

2152
02:20:39,990 --> 02:20:46,350
500 glue sticks. And you need
more. But like I was saying

2153
02:20:46,380 --> 02:20:49,140
that's just passing the ball. I
don't want to be the teacher, I

2154
02:20:49,140 --> 02:20:51,510
don't want to be in the
principal aspect, not too much.

2155
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:54,420
And maybe you wonder why people
don't want to send their kids to

2156
02:20:54,420 --> 02:20:59,190
the schools. And what we will be
doing school choice episode. And

2157
02:20:59,190 --> 02:21:03,630
I don't want to make this a
rehash of, you know, a set of

2158
02:21:03,630 --> 02:21:07,050
the Brown versus Board
education. But what I'm saying

2159
02:21:07,050 --> 02:21:14,820
is, people in general, would
rather prefer to be independent.

2160
02:21:15,180 --> 02:21:19,110
And even if you know what,
rather than live in somebody

2161
02:21:19,140 --> 02:21:23,730
else's mansion, or rather build
me a two bedroom home on my own.

2162
02:21:26,190 --> 02:21:31,680
Yes. And I would like to I'd
like to add that the school

2163
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:39,870
choice now Act was introduced
July, I believe, July 22, by

2164
02:21:39,870 --> 02:21:45,720
Senator Tim Scott. And since we
got a voting season coming up,

2165
02:21:45,720 --> 02:21:50,130
let me tell you who the co
sponsors are. Them Lamar

2166
02:21:50,130 --> 02:21:55,320
Alexander, Ted Cruz, John
Cornyn, Kelly Lafleur, Marco

2167
02:21:55,320 --> 02:21:59,940
Rubio, Todd, young, Kevin
Kramer, and James Lankford.

2168
02:22:00,150 --> 02:22:04,920
Those are the those as the
sponsors. I believe they're all

2169
02:22:04,920 --> 02:22:08,640
Republicans. So this is in the
Senate. So far, it's only been

2170
02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:13,140
introduced. I don't think it's
come to the floor yet. So it's

2171
02:22:13,140 --> 02:22:15,270
good that the President is
pushing that but you know,

2172
02:22:15,270 --> 02:22:17,820
there's a lot of help is going
to be it's basically just been

2173
02:22:17,820 --> 02:22:21,030
pushed off to the sideline, I
guess, for now until whatever

2174
02:22:21,030 --> 02:22:22,440
important stuff happens.

2175
02:22:23,610 --> 02:22:26,520
And there's been a lot of good
charter schools formed,

2176
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:31,290
especially about black men. And,
you know, in these underserved

2177
02:22:31,290 --> 02:22:37,110
communities, so we have to
prove, but if you allow them to

2178
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:44,310
not go to schools, that affects
the teachers union, which

2179
02:22:44,340 --> 02:22:47,520
impacts you know, very deep
pockets. I'll just leave it Oh,

2180
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:47,970
enough.

2181
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:52,410
The teachers union, basically
just financed the rebuilding of

2182
02:22:52,410 --> 02:22:58,590
LaGuardia Airport. Wow. Yeah.

2183
02:22:59,399 --> 02:23:02,549
Yeah, I was like, what? Yeah, I

2184
02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:05,070
think we could have done some
other things. But okay, that's

2185
02:23:05,070 --> 02:23:05,460
fine.

2186
02:23:05,790 --> 02:23:09,360
And I'll say this, and I'm gonna
save some of this for the school

2187
02:23:09,360 --> 02:23:12,240
choice. But teachers unions
don't even protect teachers

2188
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:14,310
because they didn't protect my
father. And I'll just leave it

2189
02:23:14,310 --> 02:23:17,850
that. It's not even about the
teachers. I mean, like most

2190
02:23:17,850 --> 02:23:20,400
unions are not about the people
they're supposed to be built

2191
02:23:20,400 --> 02:23:24,720
for. But that was the southern
perspective. Test. He was from

2192
02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:28,380
Farmville, Virginia. So now we
have this other gentleman, Mr.

2193
02:23:28,380 --> 02:23:31,290
Robert Woodson. He was the CEO
and founder of the national

2194
02:23:31,290 --> 02:23:33,480
standard. I'm gonna Bob Woodson,

2195
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:35,400
I like Bob Woodson. He's a cool
guy.

2196
02:23:36,420 --> 02:23:39,990
Okay, so Well, let's listen to
clip one.

2197
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:43,260
I grew up in South Philadelphia,
we didn't realize it was

2198
02:23:43,260 --> 02:23:47,130
segregated. All we knew is that
our neighborhood was all black.

2199
02:23:47,310 --> 02:23:50,280
And we weren't even that
conscious of color. If you also

2200
02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:53,010
people who own the store down
the street, the black, the

2201
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:56,670
Taylor, the restaurant owners,
they undertake everybody in the

2202
02:23:56,670 --> 02:24:01,890
neighborhood and it was a very
small street working, everybody

2203
02:24:01,890 --> 02:24:05,130
worked, blue collar,
essentially, very close knit

2204
02:24:05,130 --> 02:24:10,290
neighborhood. Everyone had over
four children. We played in the

2205
02:24:10,290 --> 02:24:13,590
streets together on Saturday
morning, our parents came out

2206
02:24:13,590 --> 02:24:17,250
and the hucksters came around
and I parents purchase things.

2207
02:24:17,250 --> 02:24:19,860
We had to go buy ice because
there were no refrigerators,

2208
02:24:19,860 --> 02:24:23,550
then we had a coal stove. So the
younger kids were responsible

2209
02:24:23,550 --> 02:24:28,620
for putting wood and coal into
the stove and keeping it going.

2210
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:33,750
And the level of interests in
education was just profound. I

2211
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:37,380
mean, I mean, even to this day,
I don't think I've ever, ever

2212
02:24:37,380 --> 02:24:41,130
had such a positive educational
experience that I did my first

2213
02:24:41,130 --> 02:24:46,530
six years, because school was an
integral part of the community.

2214
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:50,460
We had a black superintendent,
black principle, all the

2215
02:24:50,460 --> 02:24:52,710
teachers were black. Many of
them didn't live in the

2216
02:24:52,710 --> 02:24:55,830
neighborhood either. Contrary to
popular belief, they were middle

2217
02:24:55,830 --> 02:24:59,460
income people who live
elsewhere, but their hearts and

2218
02:24:59,460 --> 02:25:01,710
their soul Those who are into
those kids.

2219
02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:08,190
As you heard, it was an integral
part. And but we are amongst

2220
02:25:08,190 --> 02:25:12,120
your all and I'll be honest with
you about this. We were lower

2221
02:25:12,120 --> 02:25:16,530
middle class, but I didn't know
what. Because when you're around

2222
02:25:16,530 --> 02:25:22,470
your own socio economic status,
I mean, like what people have

2223
02:25:22,470 --> 02:25:26,100
done the same, like socio
economic status, you don't

2224
02:25:26,100 --> 02:25:31,260
realize how poor you are. It's
only when you go to college, or

2225
02:25:31,260 --> 02:25:34,680
you know, and be around real
rich people that you say, oh,

2226
02:25:35,400 --> 02:25:43,620
yeah, My life sucks. No kidding.
But it's like, wow, like, I

2227
02:25:43,620 --> 02:25:48,180
remember it. Just as a quick
aside, I met this guy, when I

2228
02:25:48,180 --> 02:25:52,800
fresh out of college, and we
were working together. And we're

2229
02:25:52,890 --> 02:25:58,230
roughly the same age. And he was
like, Yeah, my family owns a

2230
02:25:58,230 --> 02:26:01,770
house down here. And we have a
boat there and a boat at the

2231
02:26:01,770 --> 02:26:08,220
beach house. I got to, like, you
don't take the boat with you to

2232
02:26:08,550 --> 02:26:12,270
know that. I mean, my mind
couldn't I mean, I understood

2233
02:26:12,270 --> 02:26:14,790
like wealth and things of that
nature. But actually to meet

2234
02:26:14,790 --> 02:26:18,990
somebody, whether grandfather
was like a state senator or

2235
02:26:18,990 --> 02:26:22,980
something like that. I mean,
just certain?

2236
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:26,040
Well, that's interesting,
because when I was growing up,

2237
02:26:26,040 --> 02:26:34,200
and I'm talking Kensington,
Maryland, in the late 60s, and I

2238
02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:37,410
think it's pretty consistent
everywhere I've lived, it was

2239
02:26:37,410 --> 02:26:41,730
all kind of the same. But there
was always that one family who

2240
02:26:41,730 --> 02:26:45,480
had the house on the corner that
was bigger than you know, and,

2241
02:26:46,410 --> 02:26:48,510
and they were everyone was
always weird, and you wouldn't

2242
02:26:48,510 --> 02:26:51,750
actually go talk to them, you
wouldn't necessarily play with

2243
02:26:51,750 --> 02:26:56,610
them. Right, just realizing that
I don't know if it really

2244
02:26:56,610 --> 02:26:59,160
pertains to what we're talking
about. But that's not what

2245
02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:02,160
you like those families, too. We
had those families too, but I'm

2246
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:07,380
just saying, at least it was
some likeness in the wealth

2247
02:27:07,380 --> 02:27:10,710
level show you meet people that
a millionaire, super wealthy

2248
02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:15,060
millionaires, yeah. And you are
barely like, I mean, it makes

2249
02:27:15,060 --> 02:27:18,930
you look at yourself and look
down at yourself. And this, this

2250
02:27:18,930 --> 02:27:22,980
is part of this is what another
damaging effect of sending kids

2251
02:27:23,010 --> 02:27:31,740
off into such a disparity. And
whether we call the racial

2252
02:27:31,740 --> 02:27:34,110
wealth gap. I mean, when you
start to see that it's like,

2253
02:27:34,110 --> 02:27:39,150
wow, like, they have like real
money. I mean, because this this

2254
02:27:39,150 --> 02:27:41,670
phenomenon called hood, Rich, I
don't know if you ever heard of

2255
02:27:41,670 --> 02:27:45,330
Hood rich and enough you've.
we've ever discuss hood rich on

2256
02:27:45,330 --> 02:27:48,240
this. On this day on the show. I
can imagine what it means. Yeah.

2257
02:27:48,750 --> 02:27:52,320
Right. So hood Rich is basically
if you can pay all your bills,

2258
02:27:52,320 --> 02:27:54,300
and you got some of the things
you want, and take a few

2259
02:27:54,300 --> 02:27:59,370
vacations. You're Crusader rich
amongst your peers. Yeah, and I

2260
02:27:59,370 --> 02:28:01,590
don't wanna make that gut hook
thing. But that I mean, that's

2261
02:28:01,590 --> 02:28:05,400
what it is. But then when you
real, meet real rich people,

2262
02:28:06,300 --> 02:28:10,710
like real, real rich people,
it's like, wow, and it makes you

2263
02:28:11,430 --> 02:28:14,820
it has effect on your self
esteem. It really does. Because

2264
02:28:14,820 --> 02:28:16,230
it's very jarring.

2265
02:28:16,290 --> 02:28:20,580
Well enter. One other factor
that people deal with today, and

2266
02:28:20,580 --> 02:28:25,170
that social media, everyone is
trying to have that look is you

2267
02:28:25,170 --> 02:28:29,250
know, if you're so in a Gucci
patch on Photoshop, and it's so

2268
02:28:29,250 --> 02:28:31,650
it looks real, you know what
you're doing it for, you're

2269
02:28:31,650 --> 02:28:34,470
doing it for all the same
reasons. It's really pathetic

2270
02:28:34,470 --> 02:28:37,140
and destructive when you think
about it. It's called

2271
02:28:37,140 --> 02:28:40,290
conspicuous consumption. And
that's one of their biggest

2272
02:28:40,290 --> 02:28:44,340
problems that our youth have.

2273
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:48,120
Yeah. Why is white black,
yellow, red all youth by the

2274
02:28:48,120 --> 02:28:50,070
way, this is not a color thing
at all.

2275
02:28:50,940 --> 02:28:56,190
Because when they did the
rioting, and one of the first

2276
02:28:56,190 --> 02:28:56,850
there was a hit.

2277
02:28:57,840 --> 02:28:59,130
Gucci Louis.

2278
02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:05,700
Exactly. So this is the real
problem that these children are

2279
02:29:05,700 --> 02:29:09,180
having. And then they see it on
social media, and a phenomenon

2280
02:29:09,180 --> 02:29:13,650
like mod sweet 16, cardi, these
things start to creep over into

2281
02:29:13,650 --> 02:29:19,050
society. And it creates a real
problem where if you know who

2282
02:29:19,050 --> 02:29:23,280
you are and where you're from,
and you around people that your

2283
02:29:23,310 --> 02:29:27,000
or your peers and your father's
around his peers. It's a little

2284
02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:32,760
bit more healthy for your
mentality. I'll just leave it

2285
02:29:32,760 --> 02:29:37,770
there. But let's get back to Bob
Woodson and strong on were

2286
02:29:37,770 --> 02:29:38,520
strong to

2287
02:29:39,450 --> 02:29:45,270
up until 1959 78% of all black
families had a man and a woman

2288
02:29:45,270 --> 02:29:50,730
in them. That's a fact teen
pregnancy was was looked down

2289
02:29:50,730 --> 02:29:57,120
upon sexual activity among kids.
Everyone bragged about it. No

2290
02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:03,630
one did it. And, but if someone
became pregnant, if there was an

2291
02:30:03,630 --> 02:30:07,860
iron in the south, they would go
there they have so that the the

2292
02:30:07,890 --> 02:30:11,790
moral standards and ethical
standards for people living in

2293
02:30:11,880 --> 02:30:15,990
those communities was extremely
high. It had little to do with

2294
02:30:15,990 --> 02:30:20,460
your income. Many of us were
poor without realizing that we

2295
02:30:20,460 --> 02:30:23,070
were poor. The discipline was in
the community. I mean, you

2296
02:30:23,070 --> 02:30:27,180
didn't speak back to an adult.
The thought of an elderly person

2297
02:30:27,180 --> 02:30:31,260
being disrespected was was just
unheard of. And teachers were

2298
02:30:31,260 --> 02:30:36,780
never disrespected. And if you
misbehave was quite, you'd be

2299
02:30:36,780 --> 02:30:39,750
spanked by a neighbor. And yeah,
I got home, I finally got home,

2300
02:30:40,230 --> 02:30:43,680
spank there. And God forbid a
teacher should ever have to send

2301
02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:48,000
for your parents. And they had
to take off work. That was it.

2302
02:30:48,030 --> 02:30:53,520
And so it it imposed a kind of
discipline. And again, it was a

2303
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:56,910
discipline that had little to do
with how much money you made,

2304
02:30:56,940 --> 02:31:00,240
there was a sense of comfort, a
sense of well being, a sense of

2305
02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:03,570
oneness between the school and
the community.

2306
02:31:05,490 --> 02:31:09,270
Wow, member teachers would spank
you to back in when I was Yeah.

2307
02:31:10,140 --> 02:31:18,660
Imagine that now. No. And then
the other thing he said was, um,

2308
02:31:19,470 --> 02:31:23,790
that he had a certain comfort, I
want to be honest with you just

2309
02:31:23,790 --> 02:31:25,470
a little background on me,
because a lot of people don't

2310
02:31:25,470 --> 02:31:29,220
know a lot about me. But I lived
in an enclave of black people in

2311
02:31:29,220 --> 02:31:34,230
a small North Carolina town,
were the only white man we saw

2312
02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:38,160
on a consistent basis until
maybe I went to preschool was

2313
02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:42,420
the insurance man. And he would
come around. And it was like,

2314
02:31:42,450 --> 02:31:48,720
Who's this guy? I'm not serious.
So you I was incubated and miss

2315
02:31:51,360 --> 02:31:56,220
my own culture. And then I still
went off to preschool elementary

2316
02:31:56,220 --> 02:31:59,040
school, and then that is still
you know, I came back to the

2317
02:31:59,040 --> 02:32:02,760
neighborhood. And, you know, I
was cutting arts friends, you

2318
02:32:02,760 --> 02:32:08,280
know. And then I moved to
Durham, and we lived in a black

2319
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:12,030
suburb. I mean, it was it was
like the, you know, the lower

2320
02:32:12,030 --> 02:32:15,180
middle class suburb. But yeah,
it was still a suburb, there was

2321
02:32:15,180 --> 02:32:18,840
a lot of working class black
people. So you went to school,

2322
02:32:18,840 --> 02:32:20,970
and you dealt with school, and
then you come home, and then you

2323
02:32:20,970 --> 02:32:25,050
had, you know, interaction with
people on your own. And then I

2324
02:32:25,050 --> 02:32:31,350
went to black, historically,
black college HBCU. And the

2325
02:32:31,350 --> 02:32:34,380
first my first year actually, I
went to a white university. And

2326
02:32:34,380 --> 02:32:38,430
it was so jarring to me. It was
so I mean, I'm serious. It was

2327
02:32:38,430 --> 02:32:42,600
like, What is this? The I only
went to school four days a week,

2328
02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:47,520
and I will be back in my
hometown. No, on Thursday night,

2329
02:32:48,090 --> 02:32:51,480
because it was just I was not
having anything against anybody.

2330
02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:53,520
Because I mean, in high school,
I had a good set of mixed

2331
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:58,650
friends. But it was what I was
lacking. It was now the cultural

2332
02:32:58,650 --> 02:33:04,260
things. And then when I went to
HBCU, that that kind of restored

2333
02:33:04,260 --> 02:33:07,560
it for me. But like I said, when
you throw these people into

2334
02:33:07,560 --> 02:33:12,600
these, quote, unquote,
integrated situations, they have

2335
02:33:12,600 --> 02:33:15,930
a lot of psychological effect on
people. No kidding. No, I think

2336
02:33:15,960 --> 02:33:20,040
there's there's not I don't
think people care to understand.

2337
02:33:20,280 --> 02:33:23,280
I mean, when I say that the
people just making decisions is

2338
02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:26,010
just like, oh, we fix we fix
racism. Now on to the next

2339
02:33:26,010 --> 02:33:32,340
problem. It's like, No, you made
it worse. But I'm sorry for the

2340
02:33:32,760 --> 02:33:38,130
long story, but I'm just saying
that I think I was the last

2341
02:33:38,190 --> 02:33:42,690
probably generation that grew up
like that, to be honest with

2342
02:33:42,690 --> 02:33:48,030
you, where it wasn't like a lot
of a lot of it, you know, a lot

2343
02:33:48,030 --> 02:33:54,180
of integrated. Living a much you
know, I'm not sure community,

2344
02:33:54,480 --> 02:33:56,430
you're probably right, you're
probably right.

2345
02:33:58,710 --> 02:34:01,410
Cuz I think white flight stopped
being the thing too. I think

2346
02:34:01,410 --> 02:34:03,840
that's part of it. Because I'll
be I'll be honest with you, when

2347
02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:07,500
we used to move on certain like,
the third house we lived in, and

2348
02:34:07,500 --> 02:34:10,890
DERM when we moved there all my
dad said watch out for sale

2349
02:34:10,890 --> 02:34:15,690
signs gonna come up, really and
dammit, seriously, keep calling

2350
02:34:15,690 --> 02:34:17,160
it and that's like, oh, man,
that was

2351
02:34:17,190 --> 02:34:20,040
that's a foreigner. That's kind
of a rude awakening.

2352
02:34:20,910 --> 02:34:23,370
I will start to hear now my dad
prepared me for I mean, like,

2353
02:34:24,180 --> 02:34:27,120
but it was not in a negative
way. But like, this is just how

2354
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:31,800
it goes. And lo and behold,
we're sales for sales. But on

2355
02:34:31,800 --> 02:34:34,470
the flip side of that you had a
lot of a lot of black people

2356
02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:37,620
that were looking to live
amongst black people, right. So

2357
02:34:37,620 --> 02:34:39,870
it kind of worked out because
it's like,

2358
02:34:39,900 --> 02:34:42,330
Did you see the neighborhood
change the neighborhood change

2359
02:34:42,330 --> 02:34:44,970
over time? Just in color.

2360
02:34:45,000 --> 02:34:50,490
I mean, the social that was the
same man. Yeah, we had a black

2361
02:34:50,490 --> 02:34:55,110
doctor. We had a black guy that
worked at IBM. My dad was Mama's

2362
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:58,380
social worker teacher. We had
some people that were you know

2363
02:34:59,700 --> 02:35:04,740
that worked, you know, doing?
Construction, those kinds of

2364
02:35:04,740 --> 02:35:08,190
things. So it wasn't a nice
hodgepodge. I guess I lived a

2365
02:35:08,190 --> 02:35:11,940
charmed life. I'll be honest
with you. I lived a charmed

2366
02:35:11,970 --> 02:35:16,740
black life. Honestly, I wouldn't
change a thing about it.

2367
02:35:17,820 --> 02:35:21,390
So that but that's the term that
goes the neighborhood. It was

2368
02:35:21,390 --> 02:35:24,060
actually true. completely true.

2369
02:35:24,930 --> 02:35:27,990
But that was the difference.
Because as you said, what your

2370
02:35:27,990 --> 02:35:32,070
when people came to visit your
house, it was like my dad, like

2371
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:36,030
we got to keep our grass cut,
you know? Because you didn't

2372
02:35:36,030 --> 02:35:38,130
want to be that that
neighborhood, right? I mean, you

2373
02:35:38,130 --> 02:35:39,060
didn't want to be that that

2374
02:35:39,060 --> 02:35:41,910
was the same. We had to do the
same. Of course, you want to

2375
02:35:41,910 --> 02:35:44,220
keep the grass cut up the
douchebag on the block. You

2376
02:35:44,220 --> 02:35:44,970
don't want to be that?

2377
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:47,340
No, but he wanted to be the
first one to get that man

2378
02:35:47,340 --> 02:35:50,640
because he didn't want to be
into the stereotype. So that's

2379
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:53,430
the thing that you are
consciously or even

2380
02:35:53,430 --> 02:35:58,020
subconsciously, it's always not
wanting to live up to that slum

2381
02:35:58,020 --> 02:36:00,270
title that we've talked about
earlier in the show, right?

2382
02:36:00,300 --> 02:36:04,830
Because that is a real thing
that I like I told you. I don't

2383
02:36:04,830 --> 02:36:08,130
know I'm kind of dragging this
out. But black people, for

2384
02:36:08,130 --> 02:36:12,600
instance, when I was growing up,
you can't go anywhere, not

2385
02:36:12,600 --> 02:36:16,350
honored. That this just didn't
happen. And you're yet to have

2386
02:36:16,350 --> 02:36:20,610
lotion on you had to be clean.
Had to have your hair combed out

2387
02:36:20,610 --> 02:36:21,690
with these things. That

2388
02:36:21,690 --> 02:36:26,490
was that was exactly the same
for me. And I can I heard my mom

2389
02:36:26,490 --> 02:36:30,180
many times say, we don't want
the neighbors to think dot dot,

2390
02:36:30,180 --> 02:36:33,630
dot dot. I don't want anyone to
think data data. Not so that's

2391
02:36:33,660 --> 02:36:37,290
that's, you know, it's, it's
kind of across the board.

2392
02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:43,740
No, but what I'll say now, but
what I was getting to is, when I

2393
02:36:43,740 --> 02:36:46,020
said that, I think I told your
story, if I tell again, short

2394
02:36:46,020 --> 02:36:49,560
form. But now when I go to
school events, my kids went to

2395
02:36:50,550 --> 02:36:55,500
highly populated Hispanic, high
population, Hispanic kids. They

2396
02:36:55,500 --> 02:37:00,510
were be like we were, they would
be pressed down. And you see the

2397
02:37:00,510 --> 02:37:03,360
other kids coming in shirttail
hanging out all wrinkly, but

2398
02:37:03,360 --> 02:37:06,240
they had that same thing. Like
we don't want to live up to what

2399
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:09,240
people think the stereotype is
of us. I think we've got so

2400
02:37:09,240 --> 02:37:12,990
super comfortable nests where
you hear the natural hair

2401
02:37:12,990 --> 02:37:13,590
argument.

2402
02:37:14,340 --> 02:37:16,290
Right, right. Right, right.

2403
02:37:18,030 --> 02:37:23,010
So I guess we can use get go
right into part three. Yeah,

2404
02:37:23,010 --> 02:37:23,310
this

2405
02:37:23,460 --> 02:37:24,690
last part of Bob,

2406
02:37:24,810 --> 02:37:28,350
many of us who, who exercise
leadership in the civil rights

2407
02:37:28,350 --> 02:37:32,910
movement in the early and mid
60s. Integration was never our

2408
02:37:32,910 --> 02:37:36,990
goal. We never saw integration
as a solution to the problems,

2409
02:37:36,990 --> 02:37:41,370
we were seeking desegregation.
And I think confusion on that

2410
02:37:41,370 --> 02:37:46,410
point, has continued to erode
the self, the collective self

2411
02:37:46,410 --> 02:37:49,620
confidence of the black
community today. Just a very

2412
02:37:49,620 --> 02:37:53,340
confusion. You see, I fought
against a jury segregation. That

2413
02:37:53,340 --> 02:37:56,250
is when someone absolutely
forbid me to go into a

2414
02:37:56,250 --> 02:38:00,450
restaurant, or live in a given
housing complex. I was just

2415
02:38:00,450 --> 02:38:03,690
restricted by law. I remember
when I was discharged from the

2416
02:38:03,690 --> 02:38:10,020
military, coming home and 1958.
And standing, then in Florida,

2417
02:38:11,070 --> 02:38:13,980
only person at a ticket window
and had the man stop and wait on

2418
02:38:13,980 --> 02:38:16,920
the white person. He waited on
10 White people while I was

2419
02:38:16,920 --> 02:38:20,280
standing there. In the meantime,
I almost missed the train and

2420
02:38:20,280 --> 02:38:23,070
couldn't check my bags. That's
what I fought against the

2421
02:38:23,070 --> 02:38:28,140
indignity of America's apartheid
system. So integration was never

2422
02:38:29,010 --> 02:38:32,760
a an issue for me, or for many
others.

2423
02:38:33,870 --> 02:38:38,610
I like Bob Woodson, and he left
the civil rights movement for

2424
02:38:38,610 --> 02:38:42,750
all the for what he saw was
happening. Now, like we were

2425
02:38:42,750 --> 02:38:45,360
talking earlier about the guy of
sound like John Brennan from the

2426
02:38:45,360 --> 02:38:51,360
CIA, which was Davis. Do you
know who Bob Woodson I'm just

2427
02:38:51,360 --> 02:38:58,650
now realizing sounds like, Oh,
Ben Carson. If you slow him down

2428
02:38:58,650 --> 02:39:02,160
a little bit, you just slow him
down just a tad. He sat, he's

2429
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:05,040
got the almost like to listen,
just play a little bit.

2430
02:39:07,560 --> 02:39:11,430
And I think confusion on that
point, see, has continued to

2431
02:39:11,430 --> 02:39:12,150
erode the

2432
02:39:13,020 --> 02:39:18,090
younger too. So we mean, it's
1989. So it might sound more

2433
02:39:18,090 --> 02:39:19,200
like a male. Yeah.

2434
02:39:19,950 --> 02:39:24,060
And I only bring that up because
you can, you know, it's it's the

2435
02:39:24,060 --> 02:39:27,480
middle Yoda. It's the people he
may be hanging out with, which

2436
02:39:27,480 --> 02:39:30,180
for me is really good news. I
already liked Ben Carson,

2437
02:39:30,180 --> 02:39:33,180
because, you know, if I need
someone to separate some Chinese

2438
02:39:33,180 --> 02:39:36,930
twins, you know, that's the guy.
And I think and President Trump

2439
02:39:36,930 --> 02:39:40,980
likes him and he's running
Housing and Urban Development.

2440
02:39:42,660 --> 02:39:45,780
So he's doing stuff with Tim
Scott. And so I think that gives

2441
02:39:45,780 --> 02:39:48,870
me even greater confidence. I
like that. I like hearing him

2442
02:39:48,870 --> 02:39:52,650
that he sounds like Bob Woodson,
as shallow as that may be on my

2443
02:39:52,650 --> 02:39:53,070
part.

2444
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:56,190
No, it matters. It matters
because like you said, you could

2445
02:39:56,190 --> 02:39:59,160
tell a lot about how people
speak by what company they keep.

2446
02:39:59,220 --> 02:40:02,670
Yeah, so yeah, that that is a
very valid point. And I want to

2447
02:40:02,670 --> 02:40:06,660
follow this clip away because he
made it so clear what they were

2448
02:40:06,660 --> 02:40:09,930
fighting against. Yeah, it
wasn't a integration. It was

2449
02:40:09,930 --> 02:40:14,850
desegregation gap. And that's a
huge, huge difference. Huge

2450
02:40:14,850 --> 02:40:19,320
difference. Yeah. When you sit
here and say, Well, you need to

2451
02:40:19,320 --> 02:40:23,340
get your ticket, you know,
checked. And it's like next, and

2452
02:40:23,340 --> 02:40:25,260
you're standing right here in
the center, the white person

2453
02:40:25,260 --> 02:40:29,760
next, next. Next is like, don't
you see me here as a human?

2454
02:40:29,880 --> 02:40:34,080
Right? Because there are certain
things that, you know, over

2455
02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:36,690
time, we could build, but we
still have to you have access

2456
02:40:36,690 --> 02:40:40,770
to, but I mean, that's it, as
you heard over and over again.

2457
02:40:41,610 --> 02:40:44,460
And he's not running into male
people. These are people that

2458
02:40:44,460 --> 02:40:50,130
were no, in the time of saying,
This is what we want. And

2459
02:40:50,130 --> 02:40:55,800
hopefully, I can calm the
generational war between the

2460
02:40:55,800 --> 02:40:58,920
black boomers and the black
millennials, because that is a

2461
02:40:58,920 --> 02:41:01,770
real thing. Yeah. Because they
were like, how stupid were you

2462
02:41:01,770 --> 02:41:05,940
to try to know get your spin on
and get coffee and the pie. And

2463
02:41:05,940 --> 02:41:09,090
then the other side, like, kid,
you know, have no idea. And then

2464
02:41:09,090 --> 02:41:12,330
like, look at y'all, you know,
we had to go through real

2465
02:41:12,330 --> 02:41:19,260
segregation. Y'all are whining
about safe spaces. Yeah. So if

2466
02:41:19,260 --> 02:41:22,410
you remove that barrier between
those two, you can have a

2467
02:41:22,620 --> 02:41:28,320
conversation interracially that
would, you know, provide a much

2468
02:41:28,320 --> 02:41:31,410
needed, you know, transfer of
knowledge between the two

2469
02:41:31,410 --> 02:41:31,920
groups.

2470
02:41:32,700 --> 02:41:36,180
I think, I think this all the
problem came when spanking ended

2471
02:41:36,180 --> 02:41:38,520
Mo. That's when the kid

2472
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:44,310
got out of school. There was a
lot of people. And that was a

2473
02:41:44,310 --> 02:41:46,380
big thing in the black
community, because I remember

2474
02:41:46,380 --> 02:41:48,450
hearing that conversation was
going like, are they gonna what?

2475
02:41:48,450 --> 02:41:52,740
Take what? Take who else? Right?
So it was like, yes, so that was

2476
02:41:52,740 --> 02:41:56,280
it. But yes, definitely
spankings. And then that

2477
02:41:56,610 --> 02:41:59,250
ventured off again. You can't
spank your kids at school me at

2478
02:41:59,250 --> 02:42:01,140
home? And then oh,

2479
02:42:01,140 --> 02:42:04,080
no, I'm sure these days if your
kid goes through my daddy spank

2480
02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:07,590
me, you get a call from Child
Protective Services pretty much.

2481
02:42:07,980 --> 02:42:12,240
Right? So yeah, so that's,
that's the real thing. So now we

2482
02:42:12,240 --> 02:42:15,690
get into the problematic
category to trigger and want to

2483
02:42:15,690 --> 02:42:19,410
Yeah, I have to, I have to get a
trigger warning for these next

2484
02:42:19,410 --> 02:42:21,900
four or five clips we're gonna
play because he's gonna, making

2485
02:42:21,900 --> 02:42:29,640
sure people are ready, but you
got to brace yourself. Morning

2486
02:42:33,030 --> 02:42:39,150
everybody. We're ready, we're
ready for the trigger.

2487
02:42:39,990 --> 02:42:44,700
And we only bring this out when
we go heavy. Every show race for

2488
02:42:46,380 --> 02:42:47,340
is not to get dt

2489
02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:50,190
32 Is it fair to

2490
02:42:50,190 --> 02:42:54,540
say as a generality and as a
succinct way to put it that you

2491
02:42:54,540 --> 02:42:57,690
believe in segregation of the
races? No segregation is that

2492
02:42:57,690 --> 02:43:00,330
which is Mr. Muhammad says that
segregation is that which is

2493
02:43:00,330 --> 02:43:04,710
forced upon inferiors, by
superiors. Separation is done

2494
02:43:04,710 --> 02:43:07,980
voluntarily by two equals, you
never refer to the Oriental

2495
02:43:07,980 --> 02:43:12,030
community in which Orientals
live exclusively as a segregated

2496
02:43:12,030 --> 02:43:14,550
community. Because they live
there voluntarily. They

2497
02:43:14,580 --> 02:43:17,670
everything there is controlled
by them, the economy, the

2498
02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:20,340
politics, the civic
organizations, but the negro

2499
02:43:20,340 --> 02:43:23,520
community is referred to as a
segregated community, because

2500
02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:26,910
Negroes are forced to live in
that community, contrary to

2501
02:43:26,910 --> 02:43:29,850
their will, and they don't
control the businesses of their

2502
02:43:29,850 --> 02:43:32,760
community. They don't control
the politics of their community

2503
02:43:32,760 --> 02:43:34,560
nor their social life.

2504
02:43:36,270 --> 02:43:37,620
Wow, Malcolm?

2505
02:43:39,420 --> 02:43:43,410
Yeah, we got to two for him. So
what he's saying basically, is

2506
02:43:44,010 --> 02:43:47,280
just going back to the he's
speaking in real time about the

2507
02:43:47,280 --> 02:43:51,960
projects, and how people were
forced in the slums by not

2508
02:43:51,960 --> 02:43:54,600
having any or the options. And
that's what he was saying, if

2509
02:43:54,600 --> 02:44:00,000
it's not separation, because we
didn't choose it, which now I'm

2510
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:03,630
gonna say this, the larger
Muhammad is gonna shape this

2511
02:44:03,660 --> 02:44:09,120
next three speakers mind. And he
was very big on being self

2512
02:44:09,120 --> 02:44:12,540
reliant, build your own, have
your own, and you really can't

2513
02:44:12,540 --> 02:44:18,090
talk about him now, for several
reasons. But as we do we take

2514
02:44:18,090 --> 02:44:20,190
away the positive from people
when we leave, you know, we

2515
02:44:20,190 --> 02:44:25,470
don't subscribe to everybody's
whole lexicon of thoughts. We

2516
02:44:25,470 --> 02:44:28,830
pluck out, you know, things that
will work, or things that need

2517
02:44:28,830 --> 02:44:34,110
to be discussed. So he was the
mentor to Malcolm X and the next

2518
02:44:34,110 --> 02:44:42,540
two speakers, but this is the
thing it's like, um, I think

2519
02:44:42,540 --> 02:44:45,750
this is another part another,
another part of the generational

2520
02:44:45,930 --> 02:44:52,710
issue. Black people now young
black kids now not kids, but

2521
02:44:52,710 --> 02:44:57,540
young adults can't fathom, not
being able to start your own

2522
02:44:57,540 --> 02:45:01,920
business, because now it said
Global market, whatever you

2523
02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:04,920
want, you can just order it and
you can set up shop on the

2524
02:45:04,920 --> 02:45:09,000
internet or even if a
storefront, right, yeah, because

2525
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:12,300
we getting things straight from
China, or straight from you

2526
02:45:12,300 --> 02:45:17,640
know, other, you know, other
foreign countries. At this time,

2527
02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:21,300
you didn't have that luxury. If
you didn't know somebody knew

2528
02:45:21,300 --> 02:45:26,670
somebody knew somebody, you
could easily be shut down. So

2529
02:45:26,670 --> 02:45:29,880
that's the other generational
gap is now. But

2530
02:45:31,470 --> 02:45:38,130
if I can suggest that is also an
education problem, because it

2531
02:45:38,130 --> 02:45:41,070
will certainly from my
perspective, you hear about

2532
02:45:41,070 --> 02:45:44,910
segregation, it pretty much
boils down to school, water,

2533
02:45:44,910 --> 02:45:49,410
fountain and toilet. No, the
other stuff was never discussed,

2534
02:45:49,410 --> 02:45:53,100
like, Oh, that sucks. And the
and as a kid, I remember

2535
02:45:53,100 --> 02:46:00,630
thinking waterfowl fountain,
police had weird, you know, it

2536
02:46:00,630 --> 02:46:03,870
was no, it was like, I never
actually the fact that it was

2537
02:46:04,380 --> 02:46:09,240
taught, confronted me, I never
thought about it. And then I got

2538
02:46:09,240 --> 02:46:12,000
weirded out by everyone's mouth
on the water fountain. I didn't

2539
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:14,340
want to drink water out of the
water found at all just like

2540
02:46:14,340 --> 02:46:16,950
mad. Look how many people are on
that not color, but just how

2541
02:46:16,950 --> 02:46:19,590
many people are using it all.
But that's all that it was

2542
02:46:19,590 --> 02:46:26,070
toilet, water fountain, and
school. And there was a lot of

2543
02:46:26,070 --> 02:46:29,880
imagery to reinforce those three
things. You never hear about

2544
02:46:29,880 --> 02:46:34,320
entrepreneurialism, you know,
the success stories were equally

2545
02:46:34,320 --> 02:46:39,870
as limited to the full scope of
what was possible, what people

2546
02:46:39,870 --> 02:46:44,550
did, and what segregation really
was. And what what success

2547
02:46:44,550 --> 02:46:47,370
stories there were of people who
broke through that is so

2548
02:46:47,370 --> 02:46:49,620
limited, so limited in what I
learned.

2549
02:46:50,400 --> 02:46:55,530
Yeah. And then the other thing
is that before, like I said, if

2550
02:46:55,530 --> 02:46:57,960
you wanted to start a business,
you had to go through so many

2551
02:46:57,960 --> 02:47:03,030
ropes, you know, had to know
somebody and know somebody know

2552
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:08,880
somebody, you need to have the
suppliers. But now, it isn't the

2553
02:47:08,880 --> 02:47:11,640
gift and the curse of a country
like China,

2554
02:47:12,570 --> 02:47:13,500
or globalism.

2555
02:47:14,760 --> 02:47:18,210
Gobble is I mean, what I what I
mean? Yeah, but we know where a

2556
02:47:18,210 --> 02:47:24,150
lot of these products come from.
That opens the door to say, You

2557
02:47:24,150 --> 02:47:29,220
know what, I don't have to deal
with in this country anymore. I

2558
02:47:29,220 --> 02:47:33,090
can go straight there, buy it
for one sell for two, right?

2559
02:47:33,090 --> 02:47:35,850
Which really furthers
capitalism, you think about it

2560
02:47:35,880 --> 02:47:40,200
totally. Now, because you have,
it's about competition. And a

2561
02:47:40,200 --> 02:47:48,270
lot of things also was about
ideas. So it's, now look at us,

2562
02:47:48,930 --> 02:47:53,370
we couldn't do this show 50
years ago, even if we want to

2563
02:47:53,370 --> 02:47:58,860
even if we had the wheel off
maybe 60 years ago, we couldn't

2564
02:47:58,860 --> 02:48:00,840
do put the show together,
because you had to get on a

2565
02:48:00,840 --> 02:48:04,170
broadcast or radio. I mean, you
were a pirate radio. I mean, you

2566
02:48:04,170 --> 02:48:10,020
know about being locked out.
Number six, oh, man, you know,

2567
02:48:10,020 --> 02:48:12,210
imagine that if you're trying to
open a store from it, and that

2568
02:48:12,210 --> 02:48:14,670
kind of thing. And then the
other thing that I'll say this

2569
02:48:14,670 --> 02:48:19,050
finally, and this is a big one,
and I know you're kind of

2570
02:48:19,050 --> 02:48:23,400
against them, but Credit Karma
and the understanding of credit

2571
02:48:23,400 --> 02:48:27,990
itself, when you got your credit
report in the 80s and 70s. And

2572
02:48:27,990 --> 02:48:30,150
know what the hell was going on
on it? You know, I was like,

2573
02:48:30,180 --> 02:48:34,170
What? What is this? Well, I'll
pay my bills. Yeah,

2574
02:48:34,170 --> 02:48:38,070
well, sadly, Credit Karma is
intended only to enslave

2575
02:48:38,070 --> 02:48:44,490
everyone, all children of all
ages more by making you behave

2576
02:48:44,490 --> 02:48:49,800
in certain ways to give you
access to more credit. It's a

2577
02:48:49,800 --> 02:48:54,030
very, very, very evil situation
that's going on there.

2578
02:48:55,500 --> 02:48:59,760
But for a lot of people, this is
the first understanding of how

2579
02:48:59,760 --> 02:49:05,070
your behaviors impact your
credit. That's true. That says,

2580
02:49:05,070 --> 02:49:07,530
Well, I'm saying a lot of this
stuff they're building we could

2581
02:49:07,530 --> 02:49:11,040
turn around and use against
them. If you know how to game

2582
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:15,900
the system. And then Trust me I
know how to game the credit

2583
02:49:15,900 --> 02:49:20,580
course credit score system now
not not a negative way but just

2584
02:49:20,580 --> 02:49:24,420
in Oh, that's what this turn is
dial turn this knob. Oh, that

2585
02:49:24,420 --> 02:49:27,360
makes the job 10 points. Good.
Nice. Going here kind of thing.

2586
02:49:27,360 --> 02:49:27,750
Yeah,

2587
02:49:27,780 --> 02:49:31,710
I guess where I'm coming from is
I would prefer that we teach our

2588
02:49:31,710 --> 02:49:36,240
children that you don't
necessarily have to, you know

2589
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:40,920
this, to me a credit card or
credit is reverse spending

2590
02:49:41,010 --> 02:49:45,750
reverse sage or reverse saving.
Instead of I remember saving up

2591
02:49:45,750 --> 02:49:49,230
stuff, you know, saving up
because there was no real credit

2592
02:49:49,230 --> 02:49:51,840
credit cards and your kids
didn't have credit cards. There

2593
02:49:51,840 --> 02:49:52,680
was none of that.

2594
02:49:53,940 --> 02:49:59,010
That's That's why our generation
I mean, I know we were seeing a

2595
02:49:59,010 --> 02:50:03,960
little gap between now But we
understand the digital, what

2596
02:50:03,960 --> 02:50:07,650
we're based in analog thought,
yeah, for sure. And what I mean

2597
02:50:07,650 --> 02:50:10,800
by that is you pay your bills on
time you save money, that kind

2598
02:50:10,800 --> 02:50:13,410
of thing. Yeah. I'm not saying
don't do away with that. That's

2599
02:50:13,410 --> 02:50:16,560
why it's harmful to children or
young adults, because they're

2600
02:50:16,560 --> 02:50:19,560
not based in that reality.
Right? It's just, it's just a

2601
02:50:19,560 --> 02:50:21,180
game to them. Now you just

2602
02:50:21,180 --> 02:50:24,000
hear two American dads. Yep. And
on to the podcast. That's for

2603
02:50:25,920 --> 02:50:29,970
damn kids. No. Yeah, no, um,
well, I'm just saying that is

2604
02:50:29,970 --> 02:50:33,600
that's why you need fathers in
the house. Yeah, to teach them

2605
02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:38,940
the principles of pay. This is
the way it is. This is the way

2606
02:50:38,940 --> 02:50:42,840
it works. Okay. Now, how can you
use that as a tool to your

2607
02:50:42,840 --> 02:50:46,950
benefit? Okay, you know, so I
usually think about talent you

2608
02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:49,530
and using things as a tool to
your benefit. But like I said,

2609
02:50:49,560 --> 02:50:55,440
I've gone off on a tangent long
enough. But now we have a new

2610
02:50:55,440 --> 02:50:58,350
Malcolm that was actually that
that last one was from tobacco

2611
02:50:58,380 --> 02:51:03,270
cars show 20 A throwback clip.
And I want to expound on that or

2612
02:51:03,270 --> 02:51:06,030
let Malcolm expound on that a
little bit more about

2613
02:51:06,090 --> 02:51:07,950
integration isn't dignity.

2614
02:51:08,490 --> 02:51:11,340
Dr. King's goals are quite
different from yours. He

2615
02:51:11,340 --> 02:51:14,700
believes in integration,
integration, the society

2616
02:51:15,300 --> 02:51:18,990
integrated No, well, that's
where Dr. King is mixed up. His

2617
02:51:18,990 --> 02:51:23,220
goal should be the solution of
the problem of the black men in

2618
02:51:23,220 --> 02:51:27,570
America. Now, not integration,
integration is the method toward

2619
02:51:27,570 --> 02:51:31,020
obtaining that goal. And what
the Negro leader has done is

2620
02:51:31,020 --> 02:51:34,050
gotten himself wrapped up in the
method and has forgotten what

2621
02:51:34,050 --> 02:51:39,900
the goal is. The goal is the is
the is the dignity of the black

2622
02:51:39,900 --> 02:51:43,020
man in America, he wants to
respect as a human being, he

2623
02:51:43,020 --> 02:51:45,990
wants recognition as a human
being. Now if integration will

2624
02:51:45,990 --> 02:51:49,080
get him that All right, if
segregation will get him that

2625
02:51:49,080 --> 02:51:52,080
All right, if separate region
will get him that all right. But

2626
02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:54,570
after he gets integration, and
he still doesn't have this

2627
02:51:54,570 --> 02:51:58,350
dignity, and this recognition as
a human being, then his problem

2628
02:51:58,440 --> 02:51:59,550
is still not solved.

2629
02:51:59,610 --> 02:52:03,030
Well, isn't this exactly what
Dr. King is looking towards, and

2630
02:52:03,030 --> 02:52:05,940
that is the day when the Negro
will be treated with dignity.

2631
02:52:05,940 --> 02:52:09,120
Wasn't this after all, the
result of the Montgomery bus

2632
02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:09,690
boycott?

2633
02:52:09,960 --> 02:52:14,520
No, because I don't think you
can. Having an opportunity to

2634
02:52:14,520 --> 02:52:17,910
write either on the front or the
back or in the middle of someone

2635
02:52:17,910 --> 02:52:23,160
else's bus doesn't dignify you,
when you have your own bus. When

2636
02:52:23,160 --> 02:52:25,590
you have your own school, you
have dignity. When you have your

2637
02:52:25,590 --> 02:52:28,170
own country, you have dignity
when you have something of your

2638
02:52:28,170 --> 02:52:31,350
own, you have dignity. But
whenever you are begging for a

2639
02:52:31,350 --> 02:52:34,500
chance to participate in that
which belongs to someone else,

2640
02:52:34,680 --> 02:52:37,830
or use that which belongs to
someone else on an equal basis

2641
02:52:37,830 --> 02:52:40,650
with the owner. That's not
dignity. That's ignorance.

2642
02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:45,750
I'm now realizing that
throughout my life, I've heard

2643
02:52:46,680 --> 02:52:49,920
Malcolm X's Yeah, but any any
black man who would talk about

2644
02:52:50,220 --> 02:52:54,060
the black man, I always kind of
presumed I just means all black

2645
02:52:54,060 --> 02:52:56,880
people. But now I'm kind of
learning it actually is

2646
02:52:56,880 --> 02:52:58,980
specifically about black men.

2647
02:53:00,990 --> 02:53:06,990
Yeah. Cuz we shape the minds of
our children very

2648
02:53:06,990 --> 02:53:10,500
unpopular thing to say, in
today's world culture, Mo very

2649
02:53:10,500 --> 02:53:12,660
unpopular for you or me to say.

2650
02:53:13,320 --> 02:53:17,400
And I mean that I mean, I'm not
saying that I'm saying that to

2651
02:53:17,400 --> 02:53:21,690
them. And yes, I guess I gotta
teach my children to have

2652
02:53:21,720 --> 02:53:25,440
dignity. I'm teaching my
children to have your own. Yes,

2653
02:53:25,440 --> 02:53:28,140
I'm an employer, but I don't
want my children to work for

2654
02:53:28,170 --> 02:53:31,500
anybody. You know, I tell my
daughter, I was like, Look, you

2655
02:53:31,500 --> 02:53:33,420
want to start your own business.
Actually, I'm talking to a

2656
02:53:33,420 --> 02:53:37,680
couple producers. On the show.
They have the private labeling

2657
02:53:37,680 --> 02:53:43,170
stuff to get my daughter's 617
years old, get her feet wet into

2658
02:53:43,170 --> 02:53:48,180
private labeling and starting
her own business. Yeah, it's

2659
02:53:48,180 --> 02:53:51,420
about dignity at the end of the
day, and that's what's missing

2660
02:53:51,420 --> 02:53:54,840
from our and people want to say
in a way of pull up your pants,

2661
02:53:54,870 --> 02:53:57,900
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no
self respect, the man will have

2662
02:53:57,900 --> 02:54:01,680
his ash and will excuse my leg.
I'm sorry, what have his blood

2663
02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:04,740
sugar in the first place if you
had dignity about yourself,

2664
02:54:05,520 --> 02:54:08,220
because you don't want to turn
yourself into a spectacle? It's

2665
02:54:08,220 --> 02:54:12,420
not a that's a symptom of the
problem. Just like Malcolm said,

2666
02:54:12,420 --> 02:54:15,960
integration is a method. It's
not

2667
02:54:15,960 --> 02:54:22,200
nothing. Oh, yeah, that's a good
one. A ding for Malcolm. So

2668
02:54:22,200 --> 02:54:22,650
true.

2669
02:54:24,300 --> 02:54:29,280
That's what I mean. That's what
into we like, and that people

2670
02:54:29,280 --> 02:54:33,150
say that the Gucci reparation
argument, right? And yeah, and

2671
02:54:33,960 --> 02:54:36,990
if they blow it, so be it but
now you don't have an excuse

2672
02:54:36,990 --> 02:54:40,620
anymore. Now what you're gonna
blame it on? Yeah. So now what

2673
02:54:40,620 --> 02:54:41,700
you're gonna be a victim to

2674
02:54:41,730 --> 02:54:45,540
the Gucci reparation argument,
is essentially what I got from

2675
02:54:45,570 --> 02:54:49,770
Hotep Jesus, and he said, so
let's say that we're

2676
02:54:49,770 --> 02:54:55,170
reparations. Now forget the the
monolith part which you know, he

2677
02:54:55,200 --> 02:54:57,960
said don't black people just
blow it on Gucci. It'll go to

2678
02:54:57,990 --> 02:55:03,210
Gucci anyway. And of course,
there's going to be a percentage

2679
02:55:03,210 --> 02:55:05,520
of people who do that. But
you're absolutely right that

2680
02:55:05,520 --> 02:55:06,480
their choice.

2681
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:11,550
Now you have to look at them
like adults because you know

2682
02:55:11,550 --> 02:55:16,110
what we remedied your problem.
We were told, and I'm saying

2683
02:55:16,110 --> 02:55:19,560
this the white people now, this
is the beauty of reparations or

2684
02:55:19,560 --> 02:55:22,680
atonement, like I like to call
it because reparations is just

2685
02:55:23,490 --> 02:55:26,820
to be repaired. Yeah, you're
asking, you're asking a repair,

2686
02:55:26,820 --> 02:55:30,330
we repair me. If you want to
atone that's coming from the

2687
02:55:30,330 --> 02:55:33,240
person that needs to atone with
the person they've done wrong,

2688
02:55:33,270 --> 02:55:36,330
right? It's like, you know what?
At the country, we've done you

2689
02:55:36,330 --> 02:55:42,870
wrong. Here's an ABCD. Right. So
okay, here, we will pound. Now

2690
02:55:42,870 --> 02:55:46,380
you can't bring it like just
like when you people know when

2691
02:55:46,380 --> 02:55:50,190
to my pays a settlement and the
case, you can't come back and

2692
02:55:50,190 --> 02:55:53,820
keep saying, Oh, you're ruining
my life. No, I've settled with

2693
02:55:53,820 --> 02:55:57,900
you. Now, if you took the money
and went to Vegas and blew it,

2694
02:55:58,320 --> 02:56:03,480
that's the only That's your
problem. Not my problem. So I'm

2695
02:56:03,480 --> 02:56:06,330
saying is atonement. And that's
why I'm gonna keep calling it

2696
02:56:06,330 --> 02:56:11,220
this is from the point of, let's
put this race crap behind us.

2697
02:56:13,740 --> 02:56:16,770
You give people where they can
strive for their own dignity.

2698
02:56:17,220 --> 02:56:20,910
And if one out of three people
blow the money, so be it if two

2699
02:56:20,910 --> 02:56:24,510
out of the three bloated money,
so be it. Because you can look

2700
02:56:24,510 --> 02:56:26,670
at the one out of three that
didn't blow the money and say,

2701
02:56:26,670 --> 02:56:29,520
Yo, you know what was different
between you and them? Now we can

2702
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:32,730
get to the real problem. It's
probably because you didn't have

2703
02:56:32,730 --> 02:56:35,460
a father at home. Yeah, it's
probably because you sell for

2704
02:56:35,460 --> 02:56:38,400
low self esteem and
victimization mentality. Let's

2705
02:56:38,400 --> 02:56:42,030
get let's get to the real root
of the problem. That's why I

2706
02:56:42,030 --> 02:56:45,990
call it a tome I'm sorry, I'm
sorry. But I get charged up

2707
02:56:45,990 --> 02:56:49,680
about this because at the end of
the day, when I let Mullah

2708
02:56:49,710 --> 02:56:54,300
Muhammad Ali tell you that
society is filled educate people

2709
02:56:54,300 --> 02:56:54,690
around well

2710
02:56:54,690 --> 02:56:57,270
Life is too short for me to
reread kitchen Hill for

2711
02:56:57,270 --> 02:56:59,340
something like that and have
their own views my own I have a

2712
02:56:59,340 --> 02:57:01,620
beautiful daughter beautiful
wife. They look like me we all

2713
02:57:01,620 --> 02:57:07,110
happen I don't have no trouble
that much in love and no woman

2714
02:57:07,110 --> 02:57:12,600
to go through all at ALA no one
woman that good. You understand?

2715
02:57:12,720 --> 02:57:15,600
I understand. Yeah. I do
understand. I understand. I

2716
02:57:15,600 --> 02:57:19,620
think it's I think it's sad that
it is sad because every

2717
02:57:19,620 --> 02:57:22,440
intelligent person wants his
child to look like him. I'm sad

2718
02:57:22,440 --> 02:57:24,810
because I want to blot out my
race and lose my beautiful

2719
02:57:24,810 --> 02:57:28,710
identity. Chinese love Chinese.
They love the lust none of that

2720
02:57:28,710 --> 02:57:32,430
pretty brown skinned babies.
Pakistan is love that culture.

2721
02:57:32,550 --> 02:57:35,070
Jewish people love that culture.
A lot of Catholics don't want to

2722
02:57:35,070 --> 02:57:37,140
read them a Catholics they want
the religion to be stayed the

2723
02:57:37,140 --> 02:57:41,520
same. Who want to spot up
yourself and kill your race. You

2724
02:57:41,520 --> 02:57:44,100
ahead of your people. If you
don't want to stay who you are

2725
02:57:44,100 --> 02:57:46,770
You shame what God made you. God
didn't make no mistake when he

2726
02:57:46,770 --> 02:57:52,080
made us all like my philosophy
of despair. This was number one.

2727
02:57:56,310 --> 02:58:00,780
No woman on this whole earth not
even a black woman in Muslim

2728
02:58:00,780 --> 02:58:03,990
countries can please me and cook
for me and socialize and talk to

2729
02:58:03,990 --> 02:58:07,110
me like my American black woman.
No woman and last as a white

2730
02:58:07,110 --> 02:58:10,890
woman can really identify with
me and my feelings and the way I

2731
02:58:10,890 --> 02:58:15,090
act and we are taught. And you
can take no Chinese man and give

2732
02:58:15,090 --> 02:58:18,210
them the Puerto Rican woman and
Halima. We're in love and you're

2733
02:58:18,210 --> 02:58:20,340
emotionally in love and
physically, but really, they're

2734
02:58:20,340 --> 02:58:22,830
not happy because she's gonna
have some Puerto Rican music.

2735
02:58:22,890 --> 02:58:27,690
He's gonna have some Chinese
music. And all the time. It's

2736
02:58:27,690 --> 02:58:30,600
just nature. You can do what you
want, but it's nature to want to

2737
02:58:30,600 --> 02:58:36,810
be what you own. I want to be
with my own. I love my man.

2738
02:58:36,840 --> 02:58:39,930
I'm glad I witnessed him around
while he was still alive and

2739
02:58:39,930 --> 02:58:43,170
kicking man what Muhammad Ali?
What a genius

2740
02:58:43,889 --> 02:58:48,389
and go to conspiratorial mind.
Isn't it amazing? They shut him

2741
02:58:48,389 --> 02:58:48,689
up.

2742
02:58:49,710 --> 02:58:52,590
No, it's not amazing. It's
completely completely

2743
02:58:52,590 --> 02:58:54,180
understandable. Unfortunately.

2744
02:58:55,110 --> 02:58:58,320
What I mean is like, Isn't it
amazing? That's the way he went.

2745
02:58:59,070 --> 02:59:03,150
And he didn't lose. Yeah, you're
right. His physical capacities.

2746
02:59:03,180 --> 02:59:08,370
I mean, eventually he did. But
he lost his valuable. Yeah. Me

2747
02:59:08,370 --> 02:59:11,820
and his mom was there still.
That's the That's what really

2748
02:59:11,820 --> 02:59:16,650
has to be just couldn't come
out. He was trapped pi. But what

2749
02:59:16,650 --> 02:59:20,190
I want to say, as he ended his
statement, do what you want to

2750
02:59:20,190 --> 02:59:25,680
do. But when you start making
people feel inferior and that

2751
02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:29,370
dignity, they may think, well,
if I can join this group or that

2752
02:59:29,370 --> 02:59:32,490
group, then I'll be okay. And
you know, I'm not saying this

2753
02:59:32,490 --> 02:59:37,890
about race. Now, this is in
general politics. It's like a

2754
02:59:37,890 --> 02:59:40,680
lot of people have self
loathing, and they like Oh, I'm

2755
02:59:40,680 --> 02:59:43,650
liberal. I'm liberal, you know,
because I don't want to be seen

2756
02:59:43,650 --> 02:59:48,600
this way even though they
disagree. They will change their

2757
02:59:48,600 --> 02:59:52,350
their ideologies to fit so they
won't be seen as you know,

2758
02:59:52,380 --> 02:59:55,890
they'll be trained, what their
how they were brought up. And

2759
02:59:55,890 --> 02:59:56,730
you see that a lot.

2760
02:59:57,900 --> 03:00:01,080
everywhere, not just a lot. You
see it everywhere. All all

2761
03:00:01,110 --> 03:00:02,040
across the spectrum.

2762
03:00:02,550 --> 03:00:05,370
And that's what really to be
honest with you. That's what

2763
03:00:05,400 --> 03:00:08,250
irks people about Trump coming
down not to make it about Trump,

2764
03:00:08,250 --> 03:00:11,640
but for you. Because like a lot
of white people from my

2765
03:00:11,640 --> 03:00:15,330
perspective, and I'm just the
outsiders that. I'm just saying

2766
03:00:15,330 --> 03:00:19,710
what I see from the outside. A
lot of people have people in

2767
03:00:19,710 --> 03:00:23,820
their family like Trump. And
it's like, oh, God, they gave

2768
03:00:23,820 --> 03:00:29,040
him a bar that gave them a
mouthpiece. I moved to the city

2769
03:00:29,460 --> 03:00:32,760
to straight escaped them. I
moved to the coast, you know,

2770
03:00:32,760 --> 03:00:35,040
the coat, you know, the flyover
country, they moved out of the

2771
03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:38,400
flyover country, and it's like,
oh, god, my cousin is following

2772
03:00:38,400 --> 03:00:39,330
me here. Yeah.

2773
03:00:40,410 --> 03:00:45,780
That is definitely true. And
yes, definitely. And, and a lot

2774
03:00:45,780 --> 03:00:51,000
of white people I know, are
embarrassed. They're like that,

2775
03:00:51,060 --> 03:00:54,000
because of and so they're, you
know, they're kind of on the

2776
03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:56,460
fence. And they they know that
they're really like that and

2777
03:00:56,460 --> 03:01:00,480
they are kind of Mirka Maga. But
they're embarrassed about it.

2778
03:01:00,510 --> 03:01:03,780
And depending on who they're
around, or where they live, they

2779
03:01:03,780 --> 03:01:07,890
will often tone it down. I mean,
it's so conflicting. It's so

2780
03:01:07,890 --> 03:01:09,090
toxic for everybody.

2781
03:01:09,120 --> 03:01:12,870
And black people are the same
way. Sometimes we can be

2782
03:01:12,870 --> 03:01:17,070
somewhere we allow, I'm just
being tell you, we allow you

2783
03:01:17,070 --> 03:01:20,730
come through come to our
functions, we're gonna laugh and

2784
03:01:20,730 --> 03:01:25,290
joke, be loud, whatever. But
when you're in an environment

2785
03:01:25,290 --> 03:01:28,350
where that's not call for words,
like, you know, you got to have

2786
03:01:28,350 --> 03:01:33,330
some, okay, we're at the bank.
It's like the place to be loud.

2787
03:01:33,330 --> 03:01:38,490
It's like when you see it, like,
Oh, my God, you know, but it is

2788
03:01:38,490 --> 03:01:41,400
what it is. I mean, that's just
how we are. But we got to be

2789
03:01:41,400 --> 03:01:44,160
honest and be open and say
that's what the real problem is.

2790
03:01:44,160 --> 03:01:50,490
But we want to make some huge
national concern. Oh, he's gonna

2791
03:01:50,490 --> 03:01:53,730
you know, ruin the democracy.
Well, no, he just speaking for

2792
03:01:53,730 --> 03:01:55,920
other half the country all
forgot about let's just be

2793
03:01:55,920 --> 03:02:00,240
honest. Yeah. But I digress. And
speaking on that. There's

2794
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:04,980
another gentleman that has been
pushed to the margins. And from

2795
03:02:04,980 --> 03:02:07,710
some of his views, and I don't
share all of his views. And like

2796
03:02:07,710 --> 03:02:11,640
I said, we just bring in clips
from people that we find that

2797
03:02:12,120 --> 03:02:15,840
we've no interest in discuss.
And even the mere mention of his

2798
03:02:15,840 --> 03:02:21,360
name will probably get us
canceled. Yes. So this is why I

2799
03:02:21,390 --> 03:02:25,230
value for value is so important.
And not to belabor the point.

2800
03:02:25,890 --> 03:02:29,280
Ministers spirit, Minister
Farrakhan speaks one

2801
03:02:29,489 --> 03:02:33,389
and limitate your brothers and
sisters like us, we have to

2802
03:02:33,389 --> 03:02:43,199
press the government for
reparations. As long as you ask

2803
03:02:43,199 --> 03:02:50,609
for a job. And they don't have
these days, are taking promises.

2804
03:02:52,799 --> 03:02:59,819
You're going along? To get on?
Do you know why Elijah Muhammad,

2805
03:03:00,209 --> 03:03:05,399
put on the back page and
Muhammad speaks? We want

2806
03:03:05,399 --> 03:03:09,509
freedom, full and complete
freedom. We want justice, we

2807
03:03:09,509 --> 03:03:14,009
want equal justice under the
law. We want justice applied

2808
03:03:14,009 --> 03:03:17,849
equally to all regardless of
creed or class of color. We want

2809
03:03:17,879 --> 03:03:22,439
equality. We want equality of
opportunity. And we want equal

2810
03:03:22,439 --> 03:03:26,849
membership in society with the
best and civilized society. But

2811
03:03:26,849 --> 03:03:30,569
then in point number four, he
says we we believe that those of

2812
03:03:30,569 --> 03:03:35,069
us whose parents, you know, have
been here for 400 years, you

2813
03:03:35,069 --> 03:03:40,529
know, and we believe that you
offered us integration as a

2814
03:03:40,529 --> 03:03:44,849
hypocritical trick. To make us
believe that our 400 year old

2815
03:03:44,879 --> 03:03:49,469
enemy has now become our friend.
We believe that this is the time

2816
03:03:49,469 --> 03:03:50,969
in history for separation.

2817
03:03:53,160 --> 03:03:57,090
You know, we could easily do an
entire episode on Farrakhan just

2818
03:03:57,090 --> 03:04:00,480
I mean, I wouldn't mind learning
a bit more than I know.

2819
03:04:01,800 --> 03:04:06,660
He's a very complex individual,
and part of a very complex

2820
03:04:07,320 --> 03:04:12,030
movement of the Nation of Islam.
But one thing I do respect about

2821
03:04:12,030 --> 03:04:16,620
them is their independent
financial independence. And they

2822
03:04:16,620 --> 03:04:20,640
tried to create their own
industry and a push to create

2823
03:04:20,640 --> 03:04:27,120
your own cash flow. Because I'll
say this as a working man. The

2824
03:04:27,150 --> 03:04:35,730
uncertainty of knowing is this
my last check? What will I do

2825
03:04:35,760 --> 03:04:39,780
you know, and the spec I mean,
me personally, I will never get

2826
03:04:39,780 --> 03:04:42,330
caught flat footed because I
always have a plan for a player

2827
03:04:42,660 --> 03:04:48,180
saw me so if it happens, it
happens and I don't lose sleep

2828
03:04:48,180 --> 03:04:53,520
over it. But if you if that's
your only means and source of

2829
03:04:55,410 --> 03:05:04,380
financial gain is a job. That's
a very uncertain life. And you

2830
03:05:04,380 --> 03:05:07,410
top that with all of the things
we talked about on the previous

2831
03:05:07,410 --> 03:05:11,370
50 show for a black person.
That's, that's one you could

2832
03:05:11,370 --> 03:05:14,220
solve yourself. And like I said,
it was different for people in

2833
03:05:14,220 --> 03:05:19,140
1960 1950s. Even our ancestors
understood that that's why they

2834
03:05:19,140 --> 03:05:22,230
hadn't land they asked for land,
they was like, You know what, as

2835
03:05:22,230 --> 03:05:25,620
much land as I can have, I can
grow more crops and much

2836
03:05:25,620 --> 03:05:28,680
children I can have, I can have
children and work those crops.

2837
03:05:29,820 --> 03:05:32,910
And we'll make it as a family is
only that when we got caught up

2838
03:05:32,910 --> 03:05:37,800
in the industry, in the
industrial lifestyle, that we

2839
03:05:37,800 --> 03:05:45,570
became vulnerable. Because our
answers to say, you know how to

2840
03:05:45,570 --> 03:05:49,230
catch fish. I not a trap. I know
how, I mean, I don't know how to

2841
03:05:49,230 --> 03:05:52,650
hunt. But my grandpa taught me
is how you beat a rat boss.

2842
03:05:52,650 --> 03:05:56,010
Well, you might have put a
rabbit in the pot one day. This

2843
03:05:56,010 --> 03:06:00,420
is real life. Yeah. But our
children are vulnerable, are

2844
03:06:00,420 --> 03:06:05,160
vulnerable, because they don't
have any means or have any

2845
03:06:05,520 --> 03:06:09,390
dignity from being able to own
for themselves. And you always

2846
03:06:09,390 --> 03:06:12,270
push this you said, learn to
code, learn to code because you

2847
03:06:12,270 --> 03:06:18,090
can code. That's a skill, right
skill. And actually, every black

2848
03:06:18,090 --> 03:06:22,080
man over a certain age, they
might do something for a job,

2849
03:06:22,170 --> 03:06:24,870
but also have another skill.
Like my dad's skill was

2850
03:06:24,870 --> 03:06:28,650
painting. My uncle's we have
brick layers, we had concrete

2851
03:06:28,650 --> 03:06:32,370
guys, we had carpenters, no,
this is their skill. Now they

2852
03:06:32,370 --> 03:06:37,020
had a job doing something else.
But if they ever hit the fan,

2853
03:06:38,040 --> 03:06:39,990
he's like, You know what I'm
getting these rollers out, and

2854
03:06:39,990 --> 03:06:43,830
my dad taught me how to paint.
So I know how to paint. Me, I'm

2855
03:06:43,830 --> 03:06:47,790
a pretty, you know, decent
handyman. But these are things

2856
03:06:47,790 --> 03:06:50,040
like I said, you don't have
these, this knowledge base, then

2857
03:06:50,040 --> 03:06:52,350
you're vulnerable. And this is
the more important why fathers

2858
03:06:52,350 --> 03:06:57,840
need to be in the home. But I
won't go there. Now, here is the

2859
03:06:57,990 --> 03:07:02,130
leverage point of reparations.
And he's going to speak to this.

2860
03:07:02,610 --> 03:07:07,560
And I'll let him explain it and
then I'll explain how I

2861
03:07:07,590 --> 03:07:12,180
incorporate it in my life, or in
what we're trying to do now.

2862
03:07:13,320 --> 03:07:15,750
Sit down and be last Muhammad
said, Well, I put it there, they

2863
03:07:15,750 --> 03:07:19,950
may never give it to you. But I
want you to know what Justice

2864
03:07:19,950 --> 03:07:24,390
looks like. For you a white
woman and a few dollars and you

2865
03:07:24,390 --> 03:07:32,700
think we made some unique rows,
we'll sell out people out for

2866
03:07:32,700 --> 03:07:34,740
just a little position with
white people.

2867
03:07:38,280 --> 03:07:49,710
You won't say you'll be paying
your future of our people is

2868
03:07:50,370 --> 03:07:57,810
uncommon not to be compromised,
will be dropped in the bottom of

2869
03:07:57,810 --> 03:08:01,560
the sea with a millstone around
your neck to betrayed the

2870
03:08:01,560 --> 03:08:05,430
legitimate aspirations of our
people. We got to come out from

2871
03:08:05,430 --> 03:08:26,310
among we gotta leave if you're
putting it on the table strong

2872
03:08:26,310 --> 03:08:37,590
enough to come out of his seat.
He's smiling. Are you? But if

2873
03:08:37,590 --> 03:08:40,800
you say no, wait, wait, wait,
no, no, no, no smile. No, pat on

2874
03:08:40,800 --> 03:08:46,440
the back. Let's talk about
reparations. When you see him

2875
03:08:46,440 --> 03:08:46,740
change.

2876
03:08:49,230 --> 03:08:52,230
I've never heard his last. I've
never heard this.

2877
03:08:52,920 --> 03:09:01,350
I'm sure you have it. That last
30 minutes is the apparatus that

2878
03:09:01,350 --> 03:09:04,980
how we're using reparations. And
what I mean by that is to the

2879
03:09:04,980 --> 03:09:08,970
Democratic Party, they'll smile.
Oh, yeah. Thank you for your

2880
03:09:08,970 --> 03:09:11,790
vote, brother. Yeah, yeah, you
know, vote Rock the Vote. You

2881
03:09:11,790 --> 03:09:15,240
know, that kind of thing. Yeah.
But soon as we start asking for

2882
03:09:15,240 --> 03:09:21,660
something for our 40 plus years
of loyalty to that party. Now we

2883
03:09:21,660 --> 03:09:25,650
see their true colors, shut up
and vote. And that's what they

2884
03:09:25,650 --> 03:09:28,770
have. That's what people are
saying to us. All their black

2885
03:09:28,770 --> 03:09:31,980
box if they're asking for
anything. Do we not see

2886
03:09:32,010 --> 03:09:33,900
if you don't vote for me you
ain't black.

2887
03:09:35,850 --> 03:09:40,770
Exactly. Now we're starting to
see when you start to ask for

2888
03:09:40,770 --> 03:09:45,630
something for something that you
have for them and return is shut

2889
03:09:45,630 --> 03:09:52,620
up. What gives you the right to
ask me for anything? Who are you

2890
03:09:52,620 --> 03:09:59,370
supposed to be you're obligated
obligated to give your vote to

2891
03:09:59,400 --> 03:10:05,160
us? and they've been very nasty,
very nasty black box if it asked

2892
03:10:05,160 --> 03:10:08,250
for anything tangible,
reparations?

2893
03:10:09,599 --> 03:10:13,739
How about a study California,
but study some more, let's get

2894
03:10:13,739 --> 03:10:14,579
another panel.

2895
03:10:16,320 --> 03:10:20,520
And that's why I risk planning
triggering people. I said, like,

2896
03:10:20,550 --> 03:10:24,600
oh, well, you know, but I want
it to him that he said it. So,

2897
03:10:24,840 --> 03:10:28,740
point blank and matter of
factly. They'll smile on your

2898
03:10:28,740 --> 03:10:33,060
face as long as you're giving
them something. But when you ask

2899
03:10:33,060 --> 03:10:35,580
for something in return for what
you've been providing them for

2900
03:10:35,580 --> 03:10:40,470
40 years, they have their people
out here now telling you to shut

2901
03:10:40,470 --> 03:10:44,760
up and vote. Vote blue no matter
who you say, you ain't black.

2902
03:10:44,760 --> 03:10:47,370
Let's go on unleash black
blocks. You're saying just Who

2903
03:10:47,400 --> 03:10:49,470
are they to talk to us like
this?

2904
03:10:51,540 --> 03:10:55,440
Well, every every country, every
race, every group gets the

2905
03:10:55,440 --> 03:10:59,580
leadership it deserves. So
that's exactly that's why we're

2906
03:10:59,580 --> 03:11:04,170
doing the work. We can ask you a
question. But, yes, so just

2907
03:11:04,170 --> 03:11:07,170
because something you said
triggered a memory for me or a

2908
03:11:07,170 --> 03:11:12,060
lyric. So did he win the OJ
saying they smile in your face

2909
03:11:12,090 --> 03:11:17,100
the backstabbers? Were they
referring to this type of

2910
03:11:17,100 --> 03:11:21,060
situation? Or just in general?
Wow.

2911
03:11:21,240 --> 03:11:24,570
All right. I mean, they were
just in general, but it can be

2912
03:11:24,570 --> 03:11:27,240
applied there because their
music was very political. If you

2913
03:11:27,240 --> 03:11:27,780
actually listen

2914
03:11:27,780 --> 03:11:31,080
to it. That's what I'm asking.
I've never ever viewed the Oh,

2915
03:11:31,080 --> 03:11:36,210
jesus political. Oh, man. No,
brother. No way. I had never

2916
03:11:36,210 --> 03:11:41,280
thought of it until now. So they
sweat your face. The

2917
03:11:41,280 --> 03:11:43,050
backstabbers do

2918
03:11:43,350 --> 03:11:46,740
now what about for the love of
money? I mean, they were very, I

2919
03:11:46,740 --> 03:11:50,850
mean, yeah, they were very
political, but not in the sense

2920
03:11:50,850 --> 03:11:55,200
that it wasn't like, um,
dystopian. It was like very

2921
03:11:55,230 --> 03:11:57,300
upbeat. I mean, it was,

2922
03:11:57,720 --> 03:12:00,720
it was it was subtle and
danceable. That's what made us

2923
03:12:00,780 --> 03:12:05,490
Wow. Hey, mind blown here mind
blown I can't wait to tell so my

2924
03:12:05,490 --> 03:12:10,170
Dutch radio friends Hey man, you
know that saw that was really

2925
03:12:10,170 --> 03:12:15,660
about perfect Yeah. Okay, well
learn even more than wrap

2926
03:12:15,660 --> 03:12:20,430
up this last clip I'm gonna wrap
up with this last clip here. And

2927
03:12:20,430 --> 03:12:24,060
these are this is from a very
small podcast on YouTube we only

2928
03:12:24,060 --> 03:12:26,940
have like eight followers on the
channel. So that goes to show

2929
03:12:26,940 --> 03:12:31,740
you how how deep I go when I go
to seek seek these things out.

2930
03:12:32,160 --> 03:12:38,190
And this is to want to say I
will say so called blacks I

2931
03:12:38,190 --> 03:12:40,830
don't know if you're a das or
not. But they're talking about

2932
03:12:40,830 --> 03:12:44,910
when what happens when you take
your black children to the safe

2933
03:12:44,910 --> 03:12:45,960
white spaces

2934
03:12:46,860 --> 03:12:55,200
that I to compromise I think I
compromise their public culture

2935
03:12:55,200 --> 03:12:59,430
experience and did not
compromise their in house

2936
03:12:59,430 --> 03:13:04,290
cultural experience. We got that
a lot. But I compromise their

2937
03:13:04,290 --> 03:13:08,820
public cultural experience in
some times of their lives be

2938
03:13:08,850 --> 03:13:15,270
life because of the of trying to
keep them safe. But I have to be

2939
03:13:15,480 --> 03:13:19,290
clear as a guest I'm labeled a
veteran parent now for anybody

2940
03:13:19,290 --> 03:13:23,310
else that has younger is out
there that sometimes those safe

2941
03:13:23,340 --> 03:13:28,320
white spaces backfired and then
I wasn't prepared for it. So no,

2942
03:13:28,320 --> 03:13:30,780
you take your you take your car
to school, it's not getting

2943
03:13:30,780 --> 03:13:37,410
broken into. You're getting
private school experience.

2944
03:13:37,830 --> 03:13:40,950
Though it's a public school. You
know, you're in all the things

2945
03:13:40,950 --> 03:13:46,590
you want to be in. We know we're
in this lovely neighborhood. I

2946
03:13:46,590 --> 03:13:49,800
mean, we lived in the suburb I
lived in mockups Hill, we have

2947
03:13:49,800 --> 03:13:54,600
the house, the picket fence, the
front yard, the backyard, like I

2948
03:13:54,600 --> 03:13:57,480
was like do it you're doing
everything on associate. You got

2949
03:13:57,480 --> 03:14:02,400
it you have you have done all
the things but then I wasn't

2950
03:14:02,400 --> 03:14:08,370
prepared to go see one of them
in go to acquire show and be

2951
03:14:08,370 --> 03:14:15,900
like, Oh my gosh. out of 83
children, there's only three

2952
03:14:15,900 --> 03:14:20,370
that look like my baby what?
They're doing a rendition of a

2953
03:14:20,370 --> 03:14:29,310
negro spiritual. Oh, wow. Why?
Ah,

2954
03:14:29,790 --> 03:14:32,040
give me the name of the winner
will make sure we promoted

2955
03:14:32,040 --> 03:14:34,590
properly taken from eight to
maybe 18

2956
03:14:34,620 --> 03:14:39,600
is Anastasia Renee. I don't have
the channel right offhand. But

2957
03:14:39,600 --> 03:14:47,940
if you search that as a m a s t
a CI Renee r e n e on YouTube

2958
03:14:47,940 --> 03:14:51,270
and I'll be I'll have more clips
from them. Because I think

2959
03:14:51,270 --> 03:14:55,110
you're so small that the pot on
his tube comes out.

2960
03:14:55,410 --> 03:14:58,380
It's beautiful. That was really
good. I liked that. That was a

2961
03:14:58,380 --> 03:14:58,890
good one.

2962
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:05,010
So what they're saying, and this
is the fallacy, they take these

2963
03:15:05,010 --> 03:15:12,270
children and put them in highly
exclusive. I mean, what I mean

2964
03:15:12,270 --> 03:15:16,320
by schools is very few blacks,
you knew that going in? I'm not

2965
03:15:16,320 --> 03:15:18,780
moved, I looked at them, okay?
How many black people all you

2966
03:15:18,780 --> 03:15:25,170
have 2530 Okay, we're good to
go. Now, cuz you don't want to

2967
03:15:25,170 --> 03:15:29,130
isolate your children off to
where only three, like I

2968
03:15:29,130 --> 03:15:31,440
mentioned this to go back to
with my college years, I was

2969
03:15:31,440 --> 03:15:35,820
like, you will be looking for
black people. That's a very bad

2970
03:15:35,820 --> 03:15:39,060
feeling. And a lot of people who
can relate to this, when you're

2971
03:15:39,060 --> 03:15:42,300
looking like, oh, what's the
black person? You know? And they

2972
03:15:42,300 --> 03:15:44,490
like, Well, you see me given
that nod, like, What's up, bro?

2973
03:15:44,640 --> 03:15:48,180
You're saying that kind of
thing? Yeah, that's not and I'm

2974
03:15:48,180 --> 03:15:50,760
sure it's just that the shoe was
on the other foot. If you take

2975
03:15:50,760 --> 03:15:56,160
me out and put me into, you
know, anywhere in the world,

2976
03:15:56,190 --> 03:15:59,250
other than, you know, America,
I'll be looking for will speak

2977
03:15:59,250 --> 03:16:02,040
English. You know, I mean, I
mean, I do foster my speak

2978
03:16:02,040 --> 03:16:04,320
English because you're looking
for some I, you know, I

2979
03:16:04,320 --> 03:16:07,650
hate to I had a similar version
of that, you know, when I was

2980
03:16:07,680 --> 03:16:10,800
thrown into the Netherlands now,
not that you could tell just by

2981
03:16:10,800 --> 03:16:13,800
looking at me that I was from
America. But man when you heard

2982
03:16:13,800 --> 03:16:16,950
an American accent somewhere,
and like, you know, just out on

2983
03:16:16,950 --> 03:16:19,980
the street like whipsaw neck
around what?

2984
03:16:20,580 --> 03:16:23,640
Hey, hey, man, God, yeah. Hey,
how

2985
03:16:23,640 --> 03:16:27,690
you doing? Yeah, and it wasn't
just about the language. It was

2986
03:16:27,690 --> 03:16:30,300
about, you know, football.

2987
03:16:31,650 --> 03:16:37,710
Underneath understanding,
understanding, yeah. One final

2988
03:16:37,710 --> 03:16:41,250
point I want to make is and this
is where you're seeing these

2989
03:16:41,250 --> 03:16:47,400
people that claim to Black Lives
Matter is because their parents

2990
03:16:47,850 --> 03:16:53,310
by these two, they take these
children and they hyper they

2991
03:16:53,310 --> 03:16:56,100
push BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK,
BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK,

2992
03:16:56,100 --> 03:16:58,110
BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK,
BLACK, everything inside the

2993
03:16:58,110 --> 03:17:02,220
house. But don't prepare him for
the world outside the house and

2994
03:17:02,220 --> 03:17:07,140
think the world outside the
house is poster. A just to their

2995
03:17:07,140 --> 03:17:12,390
presence. It don't work like
that. No. It doesn't work. And I

2996
03:17:12,390 --> 03:17:15,810
said it like that for purpose.
It doesn't work like that.

2997
03:17:15,810 --> 03:17:22,710
Because who are you three people
to come dictate to the other at

2998
03:17:23,070 --> 03:17:25,500
how things are gonna go, but
that's what they go on to the

2999
03:17:25,500 --> 03:17:28,860
universe. Oh, we need a safe
black space, you know? Oh, no.

3000
03:17:29,130 --> 03:17:33,240
It's like, why don't you go to
HBCU if you want that

3001
03:17:33,240 --> 03:17:34,860
experience, because that's very

3002
03:17:36,240 --> 03:17:39,750
I don't know. It's rude. It's
rude. Mo it's just rude.

3003
03:17:40,500 --> 03:17:44,220
Yeah, it's mad rude. To you to
come for you to come to my

3004
03:17:44,220 --> 03:17:46,020
cookout. I want to play Kenny
Rogers

3005
03:17:51,690 --> 03:18:00,090
if you could if you did that be
we look like who the hell do you

3006
03:18:00,090 --> 03:18:04,380
think he's touching it touching
the CD player. Alexa now I'm

3007
03:18:04,380 --> 03:18:10,530
gonna have CD players anymore.
But yeah. I WUSA, this is what

3008
03:18:10,530 --> 03:18:22,530
you're dealing with. Hold on. Is
this deep breath Wow. All right.

3009
03:18:22,890 --> 03:18:23,400
I'm doing

3010
03:18:24,750 --> 03:18:28,530
now this I was it's always
enjoyable. I always have a good

3011
03:18:28,530 --> 03:18:33,510
time. For me, the cherry on top
was the OG the OG days. But

3012
03:18:33,540 --> 03:18:39,960
that's just a personal thing.
Every now okay, to wrap this up,

3013
03:18:40,530 --> 03:18:43,830
every single time we sit down to
do the show. I think I kind of

3014
03:18:43,830 --> 03:18:46,920
know, you know, I think I know
what I'm talking about. I think

3015
03:18:47,160 --> 03:18:51,510
I've done the work, you know.
And every time man every time

3016
03:18:51,510 --> 03:18:55,260
you throw something new in
there, and I know that you

3017
03:18:55,290 --> 03:18:58,710
you've got a plan and you know,
it's like preacher mo here he's

3018
03:18:58,710 --> 03:19:03,240
pastor Mo, he's got a message
and I really appreciate how you

3019
03:19:03,240 --> 03:19:09,180
are taking me but all of us on
this journey. And it's very well

3020
03:19:09,180 --> 03:19:14,100
constructed. It's it's this is
your skill. It's it's very I'm

3021
03:19:14,130 --> 03:19:17,880
really realizing every single
time how skillful you are at

3022
03:19:17,880 --> 03:19:21,660
doing this. And and that's why
again, I want everybody to

3023
03:19:21,660 --> 03:19:26,400
consider playing this with their
kids because it's it's useful.

3024
03:19:26,430 --> 03:19:30,780
I'm I'm an older guy, I'm 56 you
can learn a lot and I have moved

3025
03:19:30,780 --> 03:19:33,720
this right now. And it's It
feels very good.

3026
03:19:35,640 --> 03:19:40,440
Hey, you know how you can learn
a lot Adam. If you pay attention

3027
03:19:40,440 --> 03:19:43,950
to everything, then the truth
reveal itself.

3028
03:19:45,870 --> 03:19:49,170
There you go again, that skill
he's got ladies and gentlemen,

3029
03:19:49,170 --> 03:19:55,440
sue this silly. Okay, everybody,
thank you very much. Please

3030
03:19:55,440 --> 03:19:58,200
remember to support the work
when you do in the work the

3031
03:19:58,200 --> 03:20:04,260
business of the work. Go to mo
fax.com or Moe F und me.com

3032
03:20:04,260 --> 03:20:07,230
MoeFundMe.com mo will talk to
you next time man Thanks again

3033
03:20:08,220 --> 03:20:51,210
all right talk to you with you
that smiles in the pocket

3034
03:21:17,760 --> 03:21:21,720
you might think I'm trying to be
funny but I'm really serious

3035
03:21:26,220 --> 03:22:09,480
even though we will make it
behalf of I'm a sigma and you

3036
03:22:12,030 --> 03:22:14,580
can see me comments just coming
on