mo facts with Adam curry for October 3 2020. This is episode
number 50. And somewhere across the country from his secret
hideout Mr. Mo facts Momo, how're you doing?
I'm doing good. How about yourself?
Yeah, good. I missed you, man. It's been. It's been one. Two
weeks. Yeah, two weeks. Well, everybody knows that usually
something's going on. And of course this is not just any
episode.
This is 50
It's the big five. Oh, exactly. Exactly. Should we do we need to
do a little bit of celebrating here is that
we break
congratulations, Mo we made it 16 That's that's not bad. We
have not pod faded.
That is a significant number for me. I actually look at is like
one season call me know, we normally do a show we give or
take a couple of weeks. And then in between, but I guess this is
the end of season one. I guess.
That's actually a way to there's a way to tag that. I think
there's a way to tag the number of episodes as the season. I
gotta look into that. That'd be kind of cool.
Yeah, so I'm just like I said, we started out without a plan.
Just two people coming together having a conversation. And it's
grown into what it is and I'm very happy. I'm very happy.
You should also be proud man this really put something
amazing together here there's even people doing no agenda and
Mo facts meetups. Now it's like it's become a whole thing. And
and I guess I should ask if you're planning it well, I don't
know if we should ask now wants to I'm gonna ask are you
planning on going on Hotep Jesus show.
I was asked and we just got to probably figure out the
particulars of it. But that is part of the plan.
You know why? I'm interested, right?
Why is that sir? Of course because you just came off of it
doing the work.
Well does that well, there's that part. But also it's video
show. So do we finally get to see the mysterious MO
That is the particularly that we have to discuss.
I knew it I knew I'm like he's not if he had got to shame you.
Either. You are Denzel Washington. Or you're so ugly. I
don't know which one it is Mo I'm leaning towards Dinsdale.
But
no, it was not that it's one I used to do music I still do
music Yeah, but the reason why I never took it seriously is
because I never wanted to be a celebrity right in the sense of
face first so this podcasting what we do here is the best
perfect fit for my personality.
Well why don't want to do like like one of those DJs you know
put a big marshmallow on your head
not gonna do that on the grill isn't like the grill is And
correct me animation character?
Well, I'm sure you'll figure it out. I'm looking forward to it
either way I'm just jazzed that you're that you get out there
and people are hearing your message except not just through
this through this outstanding product that we call mo fax with
Adam curry
a you know what Adam if this is it this is more than enough for
me and I'm gonna just I'm not being modest they're actually in
Miss we don't do a week I know people like oh well. It's got
some time it goes two weeks I actually missed those weeks
because this is a great conversation I have every week
and we don't talk hardly ever outside the show so know it kind
of live when I get
it I'm not doing it I'm not doing a podcast I'm just hanging
out with Moe fine here and what he's thinking about exactly well
sometimes we do a little text if there's like something
spectacular and of course now the the this scenario has taken
an interesting plot twist with 45 Savage down with the Rona so
bogged down, man down
what a we all great heels. Yeah. Is the comeback. So just be
aware of that.
Oh, you're so right. He's gotta have the comeback. Oh, my
goodness. Wow. For another deconstruction another time
right now I suggest we spin up that we'll have clips. Let's
see. We're going to talk about today on more facts with Adam
curry. Round the round goes the wheel of facts where it stops.
Nobody knows well, Moe kind of knows because he's the one that
puts it all together. The topic for episode number 50 is I
prefer a Das. That makes very clear who you're talking about.
I know that voice. I know that voice. Okay. Sounds familiar.
Yes, it does. All right. Well, I don't know if I should be
worried or not right now. It's like I'm getting my report card.
Know what this is, is to catch everybody out. We have a lot of
new listeners, especially when you dropped that bombshell on
the Rogan's show, so we go all over the place here. We don't,
you know, whatever, hot at the moment. Sometimes we talk about
that. Sometimes we talk about things that are nobody's
covering. We call that all over the place. So with this episode,
I want to go in chronological order. And I tried a fool's
errand squeezing everything
will be here until Sunday, everybody, but yes, okay. Right.
No, but what the cut the cut off is 1619, which, that's
what we're starting, are we any?
Now that's, well, it looks like we're we're starting at me, but
we're going to start there. Because that's the narrative.
We're like, we say, we're not historians, what we do is
examine narrative. And that's where the narrative starts of
the Athos lineage. And then we're going to wrap up somewhere
around the civil rights movement. Now, it might not be
exactly chronological, but I think this will help people to
understand what our claim when I say our eight offices claim is
the reason why it's a legal claim and not like a social
program or a welfare program, and then understand, it goes
past from from, from what we claim, we only want to be
repaired from that point to the end of legal slavery, but the
effects of it go way past the end of the legal slavery shirt.
And I want to illustrate that so hopefully, you know, I mean,
it'll cover a lot of throwback clips, but I didn't want to keep
it as like,
okay, so, so show so if I understand so the how it's now
this works is been a nice refresher course for people
who've been along for for 49 episodes so far. But if you're
brand new, it's a great way to catch up, you can always go back
and get all the detail in episodes one through 49. Is that
do I mean my hair in that right?
Correct. And it's going to be in as much chronicle chronological
order as possible. This will be exciting to see the build up.
Yeah. Are we like
an on ramp episode, if you're just joining the party, here's
an on ramp.
Correct. And now with that said, let's get on the on ramp with
number two.
In 1619, when the first Africans were brought to the British
colonies by ship to Jamestown, Virginia, they held the legal
status of servant. But as the region's economic system became
increasingly dependent on forced labor, we descended into
slavery. The institution of American slavery developed as a
permanent hereditary system centrally tied to race. Millions
of black people were forcibly taken from Africa, crammed on
ships and brought to the Americas through a dangerous and
deadly journey that crossed the Atlantic. millions died. Once on
our shores slavery deprive enslaved person of any legal
rights or autonomy, and granted the slave owner complete power
over the black men, women and children legally recognized as
property, an ideology of white supremacy, a narrative of racial
difference was created to rationalize and justify the
continuation of slavery.
Oh, okay.
Have I heard this clip? I don't think so. No, this is this is
new. So yeah, we're gonna have some new stuff thrown in there
to bridge together some gaps that we kind of didn't cover
because we never really wanted to focus on slavery, and I still
don't want to focus on the ins and outs of particulars of
slavery. But what can I go back for a second? Let me let me
start. Well, let me start at the end and go back to the
beginning. Okay. Right now and 2020. Black people will have an
a maturation process politically. And in that, in
that process, reparations, or as I like to newly call it
atonement, and it's part of that, and that is the when you
compare it to reproductive rights, the Roe versus Wade, if
you're talking about immigration rights is amnesty. That kind of
is the heart as reparations is the heart as for this political
maturation, okay. So I want to understand want people to
understand like, how did we get here? 2020 having this
conversation? And that's why we're going all the way back to
the narrative. Does that? Does that make sense?
Yeah, it does. It does. Yeah. In order to understand how we're
here today, we have to step back in time and bring it all the way
forward.
And the key word is narrative. Because at the end of that clip,
I don't know if you caught it or not. Yeah,
it was like a narrative was created for the embarrassing
situation that was at hand.
Yes. And I'm gonna jump out the window once again and say, the
narrative of slavery is just as dangerous, if not as dangerous
or not as impactful as the actual actual sex. Yes, right.
Yeah. Because this is what held us mentally captive. From, you
know, that late 1800s to 2020 is that narrative that has been
created? And to do so we need to look into that narrative. So
hopefully, everybody understands where we're headed and why I'm
framing it this way. I think so. So, okay. So to get to that
narrative, now, we got to go to throwback clip, and this is from
show 38. And this is masa speaks
it possible that white people have something to do with the
lack of ability for blacks to assimilate into this culture.
Absolutely.
A white man has certainly been prejudiced. And to quite an
extent, unfair. But customers die awful hard, it takes takes a
long time. And everyone knew years ago that they never would
have to be given the quality. But in the south, knowing
negligence as we think we do, we realize it would take time has
been compared to straightening teeth, it takes a slow, steady
pressure, you can't do it with a hammer. And, and white people's
attitudes will change in time. I'm a lot more liberal than I
was five years ago. And I know I'll be a lot more liberal five
years from now. And I think almost everyone else is in that
category.
So what I catch in this clip is the term equality. And I hear
this gentleman saying I'm a lot more liberal, I'm getting more
liberal Mo. That's interesting. Yeah, context of what
he says. First thing he says is we were unfair, which is synonym
of unfairness. And just or unjust, I think unjust, but so
if you're saying you're not you weren't in just, that's what a
legal claim comes in at like, Okay, you were unfair. Yes, you
have a descendant, Mr. Hastings, it's clearly a descendant of
slave masters. And he's saying we were unfair to these people,
we knew this. And we knew we're gonna have to let him go. But
his mind is like, we need to go slow. We need to, you know, you
can't can't trust them to be on their own. Even though, you
know, these people were. Yeah, I mean, but that's that narrative
that was shaped in his mind. And in his forefathers minds, that
we are the caretakers of these poor, helpless people. Now fast
forward. That's pretty much the political liberal mindset, that
we have to think for these people. We can't let them off
the plantation right away, you know, we got to feed them,
spoon, feed them social programs and make, you know, make things
like but I don't want to go there. But I'm just saying that
this mindset of Well, I'll let Mr. Hastings continue on and
what his mindset and what he thinks black people were at the
time,
what has tended to make you more liberal?
realization that the Negro as a human being like anyone else,
Mr. Hasty, what did you think we were before you began to think
of us as human beings?
Well, no, in a way, we thought of you almost as a very superior
something or rather someone we had to take care of, because we
had to do so much of their thinking for them. We had to do
almost everything. For them, except living their own life.
Anything outside we had to do for them.
And this is recording from 1968 Correct.
1968 Yes.
I was alive. I was alive. I was I was four.
Yeah, it was 20 years before I was born. So I mean, just put
that in perspective. I consider myself a young person, a
relatively young person. And for somebody to talk like to say
that it was the real estate ignition light. It never dawned
on him. Now is he being? To be honest, for him to sit down have
this interview? I think he is being honest. Yeah, it's a
revelation to him to say, oh, you know, they are human.
Because if you grow up for 6070 years, Rainford, three or four
generations that they're not human. They're, you know, the
livestock or, you know, property that things pet a pet. When he
bought, it finally dawned on me because he made the, you know,
the mission, that there are human, they deserve rights. They
deserve justice. They deserve to be treated fairly. But now let's
the conversation of how do we go move forward? Right. And it's
the same Congress conversation now, with so called black
people, how do we move forward? Do we just, you know, give them
their reparations? If you're a lot of times people say, We're
all they're gonna do a spin on Gucci? Well, I mean, it's,
it's interesting, you say that I just wanted to make this one
point that when I was talking to Hotep, Jesus, he actually said,
Well, you know, because we were talking about Trump's platinum
plan, which I just love the marketing of the platinum plan.
He said, Well, what good is that? He says, they're just
going to spend it on Gucci, and I. And what I didn't say, which
I only thought of later, is I want to say, Hold on a second.
What happened to blacks aren't a monolith. That was actually a
really stupid thing. He said, I was like, wow, I wish I'd come
up with that at the moment.
And it's funny, you said that because the money in the YouTube
comments, were saying, Well, you need to give them jobs, or give
us jobs. I don't know how he was how you actually find if he was
paid off or not a Das, but he's like, what we need his jobs. And
I'm like to say that you're trying to say that there are
some of us are not productive, and can't handle the influx of
money and can't help. So we need to stop that. Now. Yeah, nobody
ever says that somebody is a victim of a car crash or a
workman's comp claim to say, You know what? Yeah, your honor. We
can't give them they're, they're just do because all they do
going to do is spend it on, you know, Gucci, and Gucci judges,
like No, something happened. You're the thought of it. Let's
the tone, it's also just not true. And the more I think about
it, especially with that analogy that you using, it's really a
dumb thing for someone to say, especially from Hotep. It's
like, wow, you know, I was just I wasn't awake enough to catch
it at the time.
Now, I will say this, there are going to be some people that
misuse their money. Well, of course, of course, just like
there are still people who misuse the the money that you
receive for Corona. Yes, of course. So to say that, I mean,
that's fine. That doesn't take away the fact that there's a
legal claim to but I don't want to beat a dead horse. But I just
want to lay out. This is the mindset. No, well, yeah, go
ahead. I
just want to recap. So I like how you put this because that
actually helps me a lot. It was in just what happened. That's
the legal event. Very much like a car crash. I like that
analogy, right. And so now we have the determination. So we
know who's at fault. There's actually it's, it's an admitted,
admitted mistake or fault. That way. Now, we have to finalize
the payment.
Yes, that's all it is. It's just like a class action suit with
Monsanto or anything else. You've harmed people. Now it's
who gets to collect
another name. The other great analogy. Let's keep that going.
Just like Monsanto Very good. Yeah. What there's no difference
is harmed one way or the other. Okay.
Excellent. So I just want to lay out the claim here, because the
claim Sorry,
I gotta interrupt you one more time, because you just chicken
my brain asleep gonna help you because I'm going to help the
cause. This is like a shareholder class action suit.
And I like this analogy more. Because you can say, being a
DDoS is your representation that you own a share of stock, and a
class action suit, they always say, Hey, were you a shareholder
between this date and that date? So we can say between 6090 or
whatever, end date 1968. Here's your share. And they don't ask,
were you investing for day trading? Or you didn't ask any
of this stuff? Just did you own it? At this point in time, you
will get a piece of the settlement. And that's a
fantastic analogy.
And that's why we had to frame it as a legal claim. Because if
you don't people think it's a social program or welfare
programs? Yes, it's really not a race. And you know what I'm
gonna say this. Not every black person that has been in America
was a match substantial amount of time come from the lineage of
slavery, correct. And once once we do the paperwork on most
people, they'll be set free from mental slavery, because it's
like, okay, we did the bat backlog, you don't come from
linear slavery. Okay, now you're good.
What's your excuse? Good. Now put this yellow star on your
jacket.
Now what that does is to say, Okay, now I can't be blanketed
and right with this victimization mentality, I'm
free, you set me free to let me know, first of all, because I've
said it on the show before, knowing our lineage is a
tangible thing, because knowing where you come from is very
valuable, valuable and important, because I am
surrounded by pictures of my grandfathers and great
grandfather's now look at these pictures, like who are you? And
why what part of you am I am? What part of you is in me? So
you know, these these things are important. And that's why no man
house, those kinds of things are very detrimental, because you
don't know who am I, you know, I mean, who can't fall you can't
trace the lineage. Right? So I hope I'm laying that claim out.
And I'm gonna further lay the claim out because, as I say,
again, that's the majority of the underpinnings of the
maturation process of a das people. All right, so with that
said, let's get into slavery to mass incarceration to
American slavery was often brutal, barbaric and violent. In
addition to the hardship of forced labor, enslaved people
were maimed or killed by slave owners as punishment for working
to slowly visiting a spouse living on another plantation or
even learning to read. enslaved people were also sexually
exploited. The United States Congress finally banned the
importation of slaves from Africa in 1808. Slavery was
widely considered a gross human rights violation, yet,
enslavement was retained and persisted. The 1808 declaration
caused the demand for slave labor to skyrocket in the lower
South, and the domestic slave trade grew to meet this demand.
Between 1808 and 1860, the enslaved population of Alabama
grew from less than 40,000 to more than 435,000. In 1833, the
Alabama legislature banned free black people from residing in
the state, meaning that enslavement was the only legally
authorized status for African Americans
didn't know that did not know there's
a lot to unpack in that clip. So this is one 1808 to 1860,
slavery grows from 40,000 to 400,000. How does that happen?
So there's a narrative out there, that all of these people
came from the west coast of Africa, which I'm not a
subscriber to that I'm a subscriber to that was people
that came here from Europe through transportation, or
fleeing Europe that were so called Black. There were people
here native to this land that were so called black. And there
were people that brought here from west coast of Africa. Now
what percentages of these three people that make up the Athos
community, I don't know what I'm just saying, to grow from 1808
to 1860s 52 years, you go 10 Max on the population. And then they
pass this law that says nobody in the state can be black and be
free. Now you start to see where this becomes a legal claim
against the United States.
Yeah, okay.
It's late. It's all legal. We're not talking about emotions.
We're not talking about any of that. We're saying what happened
here? And nobody you know, we just gloss over these things.
It's not an excuse. Oh, you were a slave and Kane came? No, you
were slave every Labor humbly and yet came came he got your
civil rights. Now, here we are. Yeah. Which is a lot of which
we're not going to pack here. You're saying these numbers
don't job. And we have to look at it two ways. Before 1808 You
had the international slave trade where you're bringing
slaves in from other places in the world. At that point, it
became legal to do so we said we have to start and this is where
you start looking at selective breeding and breeding process.
That has to be a part of it. It does
it also and nothing 12 You dislike kind of covered this
where they were capturing free people? Yes, they like your
black
going man or slave now right?
that and it was it was state sanction. This is not Oh, well,
you know, it was kind of, well, no, you just don't understand
if someone was captured in the, in the in America, it was
indigenous person. Now, they don't have the same lineage.
Right? Now the lineage is American descendants of slavery.
So it doesn't matter how you got in there, you were a slave at
that point. And you were then subsequently, we have a lineage
that leads to descendants of slavery. Exactly. It doesn't
matter where you came from Africa or not.
Here's the strangest thing I find. And it's a lot of
historians that support me on my narrative. Everywhere in the
world, you found heavy metal melanated people, no matter
where you go, you know, Australia, you have aborigines
everywhere, everywhere, except for America. We just gonna let
that fly. I mean, I'm not trying to digress. I'm just saying. Not
isn't that strange?
Well, what do you mean? Isn't it strange?
That you go everywhere in the world? Yes, fight heavy
melanated people is that for America? This landmass North
America, or the Americas that, you know, however, you want to
slice it? No heavily heavily melanated people who here I
digress. And I'm sorry for doing that. But I just want to point
out that 40,000 to 400,000 number just sticks in my craw.
Like, how does that happen? Were y'all mass producing babies like
that? Or right? Whereas a lot of free people hear that you're
saying got caught up in slavery due to the changes?
So you're saying some you're saying something, I think I just
want to make sure I understand it. You're saying is a Das is
American descendants of slavery. And that doesn't necessarily
mean that you came from Africa means you were legally enslaved
by a state of the United States a legal event. And it doesn't
matter what your lineage before that is, at that moment, the
lineage should pass his on, it's considered a DOS,
right? Because they might have came here for like I say, 1492
to that point. You had three people coming here from all over
the world. Right. So
owners were black, what's the cutting away at? You know, 1808?
And what was the event in 1808?
That's when they passed a law that they said, You can't bring
any more slaves in on ships, basically. Yeah. I mean, if you
if you homegrown, homegrown slavery. I'm not saying that
it's like a comical but it's it's comical.
But this is how you can have people who are seemingly for the
eye white, but they can be a Das.
Now, that's a slippery slope. With like I said, if they want
to make a claim, I'm not I will be a hypocrite, to say if you
were Irish, you were brought here and transportation, you
will make a claim. That's fine. I'm not saying that. What I'm
saying is, there were some heavy, heavily melanated people
that look like me, that were on this landmass, and they were
enslaved. Prior to 16 like to just say that they say that's
the cut off. And for some reason, they may have been
enslaved. And I know it's a hard thing to get your head around.
But it's like those numbers don't make sense to me to jump
like that.
No, no, I'm totally with you. So part of it is I guess, as you
said, possibly breeding program, but the rest is obviously
grabbing other people who were just handy.
And they 12 Years a Slave tell you that I mean, and they say
we're free was black people own and black people. So if I'm
gonna came here, just like you came here, it's like, how about
jump you? I mean, like, How'd you get free? And like I said,
Musa, let's bring it back all right. So what we have to
understand now it was what fueled the need for slaves. And
there's two things that fueled it. One was sugar.
400 years ago, this month in August 16 19, the first African
slaves arrived in Virginia. It's regarded by many as the
beginning of America's long relationship with slavery, the
400th anniversary, and the ways slavery has affected American
history since then, are being commemorated. One of the more
notable efforts is the New York Times 6019 project, which is
spotlighting parts of history that are less well known. We're
going to focus on some of the economic legacies, including the
larger connections with modern capitalism. Specifically, we're
going to look at how the production of American sugar
known as white gold helped to fuel slavery and became
ingrained in our society. Historian Khalil Gibran Mohammed
of Harvard's Kennedy School wrote about that for the New
York Times, Louisiana, he wrote, led the nation in destroying the
lives of black people in the name of economic efficiency.
Sugar was the most dominant economic incentive for European
colonization of the Americas. No other crop was as abundant or
successful in drawing Europeans, to the shores and I mean by that
North America and South America for the purpose of cultivating
sugar for a worldwide market.
So Sugar, Sugar brought him in. And we were familiar with the
triangle. Atlantic trace Les, slave trade, you know, sugar
came, you know, from the West Indies came to America, America.
gotta fix the room, and then it and you're saying they went back
brought to Rome back to Europe, you know, brought back slaves. I
mean, that's the triangle. No, I'm not oversimplifying it, but
it just in that sense. So we have this product sugar. And
that was the really the first cash crop that God America
offers of his feet. So because a lot of people say, Well, you
know, I'm, I didn't have slaves and my ancestors didn't have
slaves. That's the argument, right? But there will be no
America if it wasn't for sugar, or cotton, which we're going to
talk about later. And if there's no slaves, there's no sugar. I
mean, if you do the one to one correlation, we ain't sitting
here right now, if it weren't for sugar for cotton. And those
two products thrive off of free labor. And it had they had to
use free to human labor to even know sustain it. So you
understand the crane? Please stop me. Slow me down. If I need
to slow down
No, I'm following along perfectly.
It's gonna make it safe.
I'm really numb. If you are, it's like the honorable mo
facts. Yes, sir. You have a claim to make a state your case?
Yeah, no, I get it. And you've never done this. It's very
intriguing. I love it.
No, the reason why I have to do this because you have to explain
if you just over Gloucester dollars overseas,
overseas satisfying. Yes, exactly.
We were slaves. You owe us this. Like, my people didn't come here
to know Ellis Island. What do I owe you? Well, you partaken in
the American system. This is like, I'm gonna draw analogy. If
I go to Germany today and pick up a German citizenship, so I'm
leaving America, they're going to take out a piece of my taxes
are gonna go to Holocaust survivors. Correct? I can't say
to them, Hey,
I'm not German. Right?
I just moved here. 2020 Why you taking this out of my taxes?
They're gonna say no, and the country we owe them. Because how
we how we failed them as a group of people. It's the same thing.
Yeah,
there's no doubt.
What What will we go wrong? And I will say we as a, if we want
to look as a group of people, we allow the people to speak for us
to speak from a place of hatred. It's like you owe us Whitey, you
know, it's like, white people are like, I don't owe you
anything, right?
It's, it's a difference between the entity or the corporation
known as THE UNITED STATES. Who has a debt owed versus the white
people.
Correct. And that's why you see people going down the street,
take people's foods and say black lives matter. You owe me a
steak dinner. You're like, no, that's not how this works. We
have a claim against the United States government. Yeah, they
allow these practices going on. Now, if you're a citizen of that
government, then you have to pay into it. dislike their people in
internment camps. Dollar
Yeah, this is so sick now. Because I wish I had known this
before I said anything before I opened my big mouth anywhere.
This is very Oh, no, no, bear with me. This is very this is
really, really critical. This is the distorted the distortion.
Because of course, you know, like California, they just
passed the bill. Oh, we're gonna do a study on reparations. Okay,
we know how that ends. But it's all the narrative is white
people did this to black people, instead of the United States had
this, this system and then enacted these laws, and then
that then that was an actual legal violation, no different
than many other human tragedies that have been repaired one way
or the other. And so this really gives you an identification
factor, and it removes it removes color from the entire
conversation. Correct? Gosh, I like it.
But color does play into it because we all without thinking
about the bottom is well, and the bottom was synonymous with
color, but will. And that's why we get hairy when you start
talking about post slavery. And that's why I like to make a
clean case, we just need to talk about 1618. You know, I mean,
it's gonna be 1619 to, you know, when slave slavery and that's,
that's, that's what we frame it because, of course it's going to
blossom out of there and it's going to, you know, it's going
to have ripple effects to you know, the lineage down the line.
But if you keep the case there, then you will be make an easier
case for you for the, for the reparations, or what I call now
atonement to happen. But I guess we have one more sugar clip, if
we add number seven, I think yes, getting to that one.
And I know I'm asking you to skip over a lot of history here.
But you move forward to today, to the to the 20th, and even
into the 21st century. And you write about how the legacy of
what happened in Louisiana and other places, still plays a role
in the economy, a vital role in the economy of this country.
Well, if we go from sugar to cotton, we basically explain to
crops that, in their totality explain much of the
infrastructure of our capitalist economy to this day, we can
explain everything from the abundance of land that was
originally held by the indigenous and the labor of
enslaved people as America's competitive advantage. By the
19th century cotton, for example, was essentially the
major export of the United States. And that cotton export,
helped make possible the wealth not only in enslaved people, but
also the wealth of banks in the north, that were responsible for
financing investments in this country there were often
mortgaged on the basis of enslaved people. There's no way
to really understand the economic might of America by the
19th century, without understanding the role of cotton
slavery, and earlier sugar slavery in it.
If I make make a comment, this is really fascinating. The
American capitalist system which is is built on credit, debt, and
commodities, really comes from this comes from this period with
leverage leveraging humans as a commodity and an asset, directly
translated into the white gold that is sugar and later cotton.
This this is mind blowing. I love this.
Because sugar brought a man, yep. But cotton changed the
game. And that's what really, it really upset the balance of
power between the North and the South. You already had sugar,
you already had the land in the south, you already had, you
know, the agriculture, you had the free labor. And now you
thought this thing called cotton in which cotton? Well, if you
have anything else further to say, because I don't like to say
I won't. Somebody said about us interrupting. But that's part of
the show. Yeah, what we do is because it's like, hey, stop
right there, because I don't want you to gloss over that
point.
So not only that, but I'm just trying to figure it out. And
this light bulbs are going off the whole time. So this is this
is how this is how it works. This is the only way it can
work.
So you we've laid out sugar free labor. Got America off to a
great start. Have a nation.
Yeah, thanks.
There you have the invention of the cotton gin, and the the
cotton becomes king.
Cotton was a centerpiece of life in the American South for much
of the 19th century, the well being of every entity in the
region dependent upon the health of the annual cotton crop. The
vast influence of cotton was found in virtually every aspect
of southern life. The rise of the cotton culture during the
colonial and federal errors, upland cotton was not a
profitable crop, because it was too labor intensive to remove
the seeds that changed with the invention of the cotton engine
or gin. In the late 18th century, when Eli Whitney, a
recent college graduate arrived at mulberry Grove plantation
near Savannah, Georgia in the early 1790s. He did not know
that he would alter the course of his young country's history.
The cash crop in Georgia after the war is going to be tobacco
for the 1780s and 90s. It's only in the 1800s when they figured
out when you know 7093 is when Whitney invents the Gen, and
figures out how to get those pesky seeds out of the center of
upland cotton and it's Only then that it becomes even profitable.
And so we see this switch over from tobacco to cotton. But
interestingly, those who had become successful tobacco
planters and who had slaves to do the work are going to make
that transition to the new crop very easily. plantation system
is already there. It's just a different crop, they begin to
grow.
Wow, I also learned something that sounds really simple. I
never really understood the term cotton gin. Yet because when I
hear cotton I hear cotton here gin, I think alcoholic beverage
I never quite understood what that was. And this may sound
stupid, but now now I hear it was just an abbreviation for
engine. Now Hello.
Is what it would do it. As I said in the video. I mean, as I
said in the clip, your cotton ball or the bloom had the seeds
inside of and it wasn't even worth the human effort to try to
immune MC right? To make be able to to convert it to textiles.
But when you have this cotton gin, come on, I think they said
in 1793 Oh 15 years before this change, and now we're not gonna
bring any more international slaves and we're gonna go
domestic. Yes, that might be connected.
Who knows to this just 10 times increase in driving? Yes, I
gotcha.
So the once the seeds were removed, it's like, give me all
the cotton I can get my hands on because now we can use this as
textiles. And that made the explosion in America. And this
is the case for saying there would be no modern day American
if it wasn't for these inventions and the labor there
because you still have to feed the cotton gin. Yes.
Once the cotton gin was readily available, and cotton farming
began to boom, the influence of the crop grew until a touched
every aspect of southern life.
Cotton, as James Sandringham went across the river said,
became king, and it will economic policy, labor policy
and politics before it was all.
Raising cotton.
Cotton is a plant that's been around for 1000s of years con
can only be grown in climates that have a certain amount of
days of sunny, warm weather. Cotton had to be hand picked
until the mechanical picker was introduced in 1927. And it's a
very difficult crop to produce. You basically walk along the
rows bent over and pick these bowls off one at a time, or very
rough and then tear your hands up. A experienced cotton picker
in the days before the mechanical picker could pick 250
pounds of cotton a day. An average cotton bale weighs 500.
So that gives you some idea of just how labor intensive it was.
And that's why so many slaves were necessary for the cotton
industry before the Civil War.
What what a what a tragedy that I watched roots 12 Years a Slave
of course, in many other as you would call them trauma based
entertainment products. None of them tells this story.
Average cotton picker could pick 250 pounds of cotton a day. And
it had to be hand picked. So that's what I'm saying even
before 1927 Which slavery had will ended or we as we are set
to believe, and we'll end it right up to that point. So up
until the end of slavery and 1793 I believe is the date who
was doing all that cotton picking you need humans Yeah.
Without without without the so called Adolf person or black
person. None of this none of this kicks off. And it's clear
as day cotton became king as so much so it was one of the
driving factors for destabilizing you know the union
against the rights and against the Confederacy. Yep. You know,
confederacy said we got the land we got the cotton we got the
free labor rockin it here. As they said in the clip, they
started to dictate political policy. Now here comes our
claim. The way you shaped your nation was beneficial to the you
know the the process of slavery. You are negligent as a nation,
this is our claim. Very simple cut and dry. So without those
black hands picking those little white balls of cotton, modern
day America is not
what it is today. Yeah, of course.
I'm just, I'm just laying, I'm just, you have to do this
because you hear so many arguments. And it's not the
point about arguments, but we have to what we do here we
defuse, and deflate their counter narratives. Yeah, to
say, this is what was really going on. And what I'm using is
just for point of reference, this is from the American
history through the southern eyes. So this is not the north,
or north sympathizers painting this, these are southern ears,
telling you, hey, we wouldn't be who we was in the south, if it
wasn't for cotton. And by you know, relation to that, without
the aid of slaves.
Yeah, and it benefited the entire nation
as a whole. With that said, I mean, you had the Civil War
kickoff, and I'm gonna do a little fast forwarding here. And
the North wasn't doing so well. So now we gotta go back to
another throwbacks This is those are all new clips. Now we had to
bring in because this is why I had to do it kind of
chronologically. Because we were all over the place. Because we
were the show takes us natural what we do, but now it's a good
time to do some housekeeping, setting things in order. So when
people hear things, they'll go back and listen to their
interest in listen to the older shows. It gives them context of
what we're talking about. Now, we're talking about Abraham
Lincoln and the what the Emancipation Proclamation didn't
do. Well, what the Emancipation
Proclamation was, was a presidential proclamation. And
it was part of the war plans. So that in essence, what the
Emancipation Proclamation did was, Lincoln realized that two
things were happening. One is that there was a worry that
European nations might support the Confederacy, there was also
worried about how do we get more and more people to fight for the
Union? Cause after the initial year, people were saying, Well,
you know what, I'm not sure I want to fight for this. And
suddenly, Lincoln realized that he could have an impact on the
south, by taking away workers and labor from the south,
encouraging people to then come north, join the Union Army, so
therefore, you'd have more soldiers and add a moral tinge
to the war. So all of that was behind Lincoln's thinking when
the emancipation was issued,
the untold story of honesty. I love that. That was such a good
it to bring in a modern context to that. This is why 45 Savage
says, what he says about Abraham Lincoln, if you're not saying
he's correct, well, he does
the most he does the typical things that I've done more for
black people than anybody except Abraham Lincoln, possibly,
possibly seat me knows the story. He knows what's behind
it.
Just to give a little context of what's going on, and you know,
and today's time so here's Abraham Lincoln. Setting slaves
free in Confederate States was an act of war. It had nothing to
do with his you know, his moral standing
that's episode 37. If anyone wants to go back and hear the
whole thing, it's well worth it.
And just one more thing he said in there he had a fear of the
European nations supporting the south Why would they do that?
Because maybe they could get a good deal on sugar and cotton
the red it's like why go through the United States government we
can go straight to the Confederacy right I wish to have
a couple of points off but you know, there's cotton and sugar
you know, if you help us out this is way bigger than one man
on it and another part on other people. This is this is this is
America.
This is no this is understanding the birthing of the country.
And this is why when people say oh you should have left or why
do you stay in America because my my lineage helped build this
one cotton ball at a time when sugar cane at a time if it
weren't for those black hands we have we have we invested in this
nation and we're not going anywhere and aren't they we and
we're not you know what we're not even standing still waiting
on reparations that atonement but that's not to say we don't
have a legal claim to because I don't I want to get my Eric my
everyday live wedding on a reparations check to come to
know make me thrive or has me
cesspool Has anyone ever brought this as a legal claim?
Yes, Johnnie Cochran, actually And people want to talk about
the OJ Simpson theory and why they may be, you know, with the
cell phone. And Brian, I think this was more. This was more
upsetting because he was actually trying to do it through
a legal claim.
Right. Okay. Well, I don't want to drag us down.
No, no, I'm glad you asked that question. Because I am our
bigger fan. Here's, here's how I see it. If we can get it through
government, as a governor in government, you know,
politicians, that's one thing. But if you make it a legal
claim, that you you're your ads to politicians then is how do
you stand on reparations when you're selecting judges? Right.
Totally different. Now. We're saying, let's fast forward to
2020 Everything's about worst heartache on Roe v. Wade, when
I'm speaking of is the new Justice there. Yeah. as a
political tool, reparations, we start asking these people, what
is your what is your? What kind of judges will you select? When
it comes to judgments on reparations? I'm not looking for
the government to solve this. Personally, me personally, I
would like to see it not as a legal claim, because you do it
as a legal claim. You have. And you get the judges say we okay,
just say if we could get in a time machine, go back to 2016
and say, Hey, Trump will vote for you. If you only appoint,
oh, you know, those 100 appointments, you have a federal
judges. And those two or three justices that you can appoint,
only appoint reparation friendly judges, right. You have my vote,
that's how I look at tangibles is not necessarily have to be a
check written by the by the federal government, but you can
do things through governing. And they will legal means that makes
it easier in the in the court system. Yes. And I think
that it possibly if the structure were to go through a
legal process stay individual states may have different
different levels of atonement, depending on what they were
doing and how they were doing it.
But if you're part of the Union, you're part of the Union. Yeah.
All right. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I'm loving it.
And you factor in the way that throwing money around now
trillions of dollars. It's like, come on, I mean,
oh, no. I mean, it's so obvious to me that we have to create a
Bitcoin for reparations. I mean, this is a digital wallets for
everybody. That's the That's my answer. Well, you can print that
money is so easy. Apparently.
It appears that way to me, but let's not get too far away from
the trail. All right. Now, let's wrap up with a second clip from
Emancipation Proclamation.
What about the timing of it? Why did it come when it came on that
day at that time, and as soon as you were just telling us, the US
was already two years into the war by the time it was signed?
What why that timing?
Well, what's clear is that Lincoln felt that if he could
end the war and restore the Unity without ending slavery,
that would be okay for him. But by the time the Emancipation
Proclamation was issued, Lincoln realized that he had to do
something bold. And part of the timing was that he had been
working on this for the whole summer. But he realized that he
didn't have the sort of moral power to let this go until there
was a Union victory. Because after all, what happened was if
he had announced the resolution proclamation, and then there was
a battle where the Union lost, it would seem like just words on
a paper. So what he did was he waited to release the
Emancipation till after they won the victory and Antietam in
1862. That then made it seem in the minds of many Europeans not
that the union was winning, and it gave more power more moral
authority to the Emancipation
honest a was a was a douche. She did have a moral fiber in his
body apparently.
He said it, he said and he said more and we're gonna get into
that. So we don't really have to linger on that clip too much.
But I just want to paint this picture of one Emancipation
Proclamation did not bring any slaves in the union. So I just
want to emphasize I want to address one thing, this three
fifths a person Yes, three fifths the person thing was from
the Union or the Union states at the time because when they
wanted to count you know, I think for the House of
Representatives, and it gets a little foggy but to me, but they
want it the south wanted to count each slave as a person.
But in that time, it was like okay, now you want to count me
as a person but I'm a property me like on property when you
it's beneficial for you. But then when it's not been an issue
for you. You want me to be a human? But then the norm was
like no, no, no, no, no, you can't Don't do that. And then
they compromise what I call the three fifths compromise,
you can't be a full human.
So just to go to show you the difference between the union and
a Confederate and I'm not poker Federer in any way, I'm just
going to lay these things out as just so we can have a better
understanding of the narrative of Abraham Lincoln, the great
liberator he was drug are pulled or as the next person that's
gonna speak Mr. LeBron Bennett Jr. He said He was whipped into
morality, title on the book is Abraham Lincoln's white dream.
What's that mean?
It means that contrary to what most people think, Abraham
Lincoln's deepest desire was to deport all black people, and
create an all white nation. It sounds like a wild idea now, and
it is a wild idea. But from about 1800 52 until his death,
he worked feverishly to try to create deportation plans
colonization plans, to send black people either to Africa,
or to South Africa, South America, onto the islands of the
sea, on December the first 18 162, in which he asked
Congress to pass three constitutional amendments, one
to buy the slaves second, to declare free all people who had
actually escaped, but the third one, his proposed 15th
amendment, asked Congress to allocate money to deport black
people to another place
wasn't at the like, as something off the coast of Georgia didn't
wasn't at the plan at the time.
I think, you know, I think that confused Jekyll Island?
No, I thought there was also that his idea was he wanted to
purchase some land. And that's where we deport everybody to.
Now, I think it was Panama, if I'm not mistaken, he wanted us
out.
Out, move them down.
The reason why though, if we're looking at the context of what
we just covered in the previous clips, if you leave the black
there, and you free him, that's still a source of labor. And if
you're trying to destabilize the South, you have to remove their
livelihood. Yeah, exactly.
Because if you don't, then then they'll just rise again. So that
so that was still outside intended.
Right? Right. So that actually wasn't even. None of this is
from from a racist standpoint, he was just like, how do I screw
the South? Alright, let's take those. Let's take them all out.
Let's move them out of the country.
Well, Abraham Lincoln has his own thoughts that having an all
white nation,
and I make the point also, and almost everything I say in here
I take from Lincoln from documents of the time. It was
not just he wants to push black people out. He had an idea of
this great giant vacuum sound, black people leaving and white
people from all over the world, coming here and creating this
all White nation. It's another back I say as you know, in his I
Have a Dream speech at Alton, Illinois. And 18 158 He called
for a haven of White Haven for free white people everywhere.
The world over now these are Lincoln's were. And the
interesting thing about that is that he underlined these four
words free, white people everywhere he underlined. This
was his I Have a Dream speech. He was passionately committed
to, to deporting black people and creating a White nation, let
me say extenuation. He believed that that was the only way to
solve the race problem. I found that offensive and strange. But
he believed that that was the only way to solve the race race
problem. He said over and over again, he did not believe that
black people and white people could live together inequality
in the United States of America.
Was this the House Divided speech? Was that the one? Ah,
no, I don't believe so. Okay. I will
pay no attention to me then. No.
No, the points I want to make is with the what he's saying about
Abraham Lincoln is he wanted to get all black people out who
will be the new bottom because there always has to be a bottom
right. white southerners everybody Yesterday, bro aim,
because you always have that but the white South I'm sure it's
like Hold on. Wait, get rid of our motto.
Exactly. Otherwise Wait, who becomes the bottom when ours is
gone? Oh,
just just one and it infuriates me when these a lot of these
smart talking heads go on with their Ivy League education and
lament about all honest a How could trump say he's better than
an honest eighth? And I'm not supporting Trump here. I'm just
saying, if you know what I know this by looking at hearsay
videos on C span and reading books by you know, by LeBron
Bennett Jr. on his a wasn't that honest, and he wasn't that
beneficial to black people.
But didn't didn't seem like he was hiding it. Yet at all. And
no one was talking about that no one no one was worried about him
being racist back in the day. They were just worried about the
the numbers and the financials and the mechanics of it.
And that's what frustrates me yeah, you hear these talking
heads go on television. And that's why it's even more
dangerous when it's people that look like me would not share my
lineage. It's not are you doing this? Honestly, are you up to
this, to keep us in this mental slavery that we're in? Well, I
when I say this,
I would posit that a lot of the talking heads you're talking
about have been programmed into thinking this way. So the the
actual evil comes from where that the narrative has developed
and is being taught.
True. Very true. And that's at these liberal universities.
Among all the facts here, I mean, just dig it, look it up.
It's in the book. Um, so now we have to go to the actual 1619
project and a podcast they have. And this is going to cover now
coming. Let me let me fill in the blanks here. As there was
one story where a general had taken on a bunch of runaway
slaves, but they were weighing down on his resources, and the
confederacy of Confederate troops were hot pursuit. And he
had to make a decision. Do I keep carrying these people on
with me, and they use up all my resources or union on general?
Or do I get rid of them in some way. So they come to this
bridge, maybe come to this creek is too deep to cross and too
wide, they call it cross without a bridge. The Union soldiers go
across the bridge. Now this is covered in Episode 36. You can
hear hope was not spoiler alert. But this is from the 1619 Park
official podcast from New York Times, of course, they get to
the bridge, they cross, then they pulled the bridge up and
leave the runaway slaves to be slaughtered and recaptured by
the Confederate soldiers. Now, I say all this to say now, this is
where we get to next to the clips. And this is what happens
after the word gets back about this event.
When work gets back to Lincoln Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton,
he is outraged. He has Charmin pulled together a meeting with
20 Black church leaders. There's a transcript of this meeting.
And it shows that these two men Stanton and Charmin actually
turned to this group of black leaders and asked them, What do
you want for your own people. Speaking for the group, one of
the men tells them, the way we can best take care of ourselves
is to have land and turn it until it's by our own labor.
That is by the labor of the women and children and old men,
and we can soon maintain ourselves and have something to
spare.
This is where 40 acres and a mule came Of course, yeah. And
the original claim. And it was made to the north, not the
South. That's that's the idea
crazy as it has, I mean, how history and that as we're
talking about narrative has just been distorted and flipped
around throughout history. That's, that's very, very
interesting and disturbing.
And I want to make one quick aside. Because you always say
this, you just say you always gotta have your own platform,
right? I mean, you can't be dependent upon, you know,
YouTube or whoever else is gonna fill in the blank platform
because they can they can own you in a way they do own you.
Yes, they this is what the slaves were saying or the free
slaves were saying, we want our own land. You know, we don't
want if we have our own land and we can produce and you know,
grow our own cotton and sugar and cash crops and come in and
compete and compete. So I just want to lay that out there to
people. It's important that independent and I hate to say
this, but more media exists because we're able to go outside
the narrative. And we really can't be like, shut down away
because of the producers that keep us going test. I just want
to point that out, you got to have your own land. I mean, now
it's digital land. Its property nonetheless. So let's wrap up
with the last 1619 podcast clip.
And what's remarkable is that Charmin turns that request of
those men for land to work for themselves into a Government
Order. Special Order Number 15. It said that the government
would take 400,000 acres that it had seized from the Confederacy
and split it up among those 1000s of newly emancipated
people. This becomes what is perhaps the most famous
provision of the Reconstruction period, which we all know as 40
acres and a mule. President Lincoln approves the order, but
soon after he's assassinated. And Andrew Johnson, a Southerner
who had once enslaved people himself, take some of the
presidency and quickly overturns it. And within a few short
months, the small amount of land that had been distributed to
black people was returned to white Southerners. Oh
how inconvenient is little bits of history that we dig up
we've been at war with the south all this time. I
didn't even know it really
confiscate the land. I'm saying confiscate them. I'm speaking
from the point of the Union. Yeah, confiscate the land, and
ready to give it to black people who have been wronged or so
called Black people aid us. We ready to give back to the
Southerners.
How nice is that?
You tapped me out. We're not supposed to take this personally
on a level.
Yeah, totally. This is such a good way to do this. I really
like it's even better than those 30 637 episodes. It's just a lot
more coming just coming together. For me. I love it.
It's the people used to listen to the show twice, sometimes
just to catch all the nuance.
Yeah. And so what I said in the previous clip to this one is
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they're not accepting new volunteers. I was wondering if
you had any ideas, a good organization to donate my time
to any ideas you have would be greatly appreciated. Best
regards, sir dude named Matt, Matt Messer, and again, thank
you, Matt, for your for your support. Big Brothers Big
Sisters. I know. I've been both actually a little brother and a
big brother in the past. I don't know what else is out there. Do
you know of anything?
Your family? I'm sure. So right, man. So I say this to people all
the time. Like, for me personally. It's like what are
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my kids. If I have any free time left, I deal with my nieces and
nephews cousins. You know about time I get down the line. I'm
out of time. That to a lot of people there's people that you
deal with every day that you could be role models for maybe
you don't know about maybe it's the distant cousin that you
don't know about. So start start with your family. That's that's
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I'm sure you've heard this a lot lady lately, but I'm one of your
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producer. I've been obsessing about the obvious cultural war
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observations, concerns that are often hard to thread together
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proposition that a lot of post Boomer Americans could get
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liabilities and stave off the pending collapse of that system.
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Chisholm cook. Well, there's a lot there. It certainly rivals
some of the reparations for Holocaust survivors to a degree.
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as the United States. You know, it's not like we created the
stimulus money $8 trillion. And you had to pay for it upfront to
extend it to somebody else. It was created out of magic. I'm
just calling and that's because it's easier. So
that's the most unsettling way. It's like, Oh, no. All this
money flying around over Corona and you threw some number out
there per case they were throwing around like in the
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yeah, in some cases $200,000 per case in certain states for
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tax. And of course, you have to pay the ferry man somewhere
download down the road. But I do like the idea of reversing it
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income tax until x or
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Mo facts with Adam curry.
Alright, so we're post Civil War now, but cotton is still king.
After the Civil War. Many southerners looked once again to
cotton to revive their failing economy. The system of slavery
was no longer in place. So another system of labor was
needed.
cotton prices did not go up after the war. And so
sharecropping ends up being the reality for a lot of ex slaves
and increasing numbers of poor whites as well. And people who
used to consider themselves sort of Yeoman becoming kind of
falling into that poor white category of sharecropping. So
sharecropping becomes a system where, instead of rent, people
literally pay in a share of the crop. The land owner usually
furnished, the tools, the animals, the sometimes the seed,
sharecroppers had a cabin that they could live in. And the
return on that for the landowner was getting a share of the crop.
Now for the sharecropper, quite often they had to buy goods that
they needed at either the landowner store or another
merchant store, so they had to put the crop up as collateral,
or take a lien on the crop. And so at the end, ended the season,
the sharecropper often had really nothing left, and so went
into debt again for the next year.
Something else have never really been taught properly in school,
sharecropping, and how that works is good. Oh, sure
sharecropping was just slavery under under another name. And
when it was, opened it up for more people to be slaves. It's
like, oh, yeah, we can increase the word. labor force. By you
know, it. Now it's not based off of color anymore. It's based off
of a system of No, just oppressing people based off
being poor. And, you know, when I heard this clip, what came to
mind is now what we're dealing with, in modern times, where
nobody wants to own anything. Yeah.
Well, nobody can. But also people can't own anything, it's
become incredibly expensive to own anything. So that's why we
have released cars. And
we're sharecropping. We, yeah. Yeah, cuz that's what debt is,
is just basically you're borrowing off what you're gonna
make in the future. And then it comes out, you get, you end up
dead even or into either Oh, and, and then you know, is based
off what you're going to make in, in the next year, right. So
I do want to point that out to people that a lot of parallel
between now what's going on now and what was going on then, but
I just want to let people also know that the claim I'm willing
to make stops at the end of the Civil War, and a master patient
of so called black people. But if you want to go further, you
can say it persisted all the way up to Jim Crow. But I think
there's a harder case to make. And I would just like to stick
to what is not what you know, is what you can prove kind of
thing. But we have a lot of evidence with sharecropping. And
I come from a line of sharecroppers. I actually have
my great, great grandfather's sharecropping book, he had
immaculate handwriting, by the way, and the handwriting is
beautiful. And He showed that he could read which you know, was
also at for that time, very impressive. And not only to be
be able to read, but also had great penmanship, just as you
know, just nice, I like it, tidbit of information. For me,
it is why we take things so personally. So when people say,
you know, you want to have a lineage to slavery, no, these
are human beings. Yeah, they've just went through a system. But
it's funny, nobody says that to and I don't want to bring this
topic up too much. But to Jewish people, they identify
themselves, we can easily or you're not, you're white, you're
white. I mean, you just be white and good enough, be white, no,
but they have a particular claim to history. And what they went
through that identifies them separate, you know, from the
quote unquote, white people. Yeah, so why can't a das be the
same way, of course, of course, we're part of the greater larger
group of black people, but we have a particular claim and a
particular lineage and pastry, you know, that we're very proud
of. I'm not not ashamed of anything that my ancestors went
through. But I just wanted to say that, but that kind of just
lays out sharecropping a little bit. And to put a little bit
more flesh on the idea of sharecropping, let's get to
slavery to mass incarceration three.
Even as the Civil War raged, slave trading in Montgomery
flourished well into the mid 1860s. After the Confederacy
surrender in 1865, Congress passed the 13th Amendment, which
prohibited slavery nationwide, except as a punishment for
crime. But in many former slave states, slavery did not end it
simply evolved. Southern whites angry after losing the war
targeted black people who were largely abandoned by the federal
government in the 1870s. For decades, black men, women and
children were tortured, terrorized and killed by mobs
and violent lynchings. oppressed by a system of racist laws and
customs. For another 100 years, black people were racially
segregated, denied the right to vote, education and basic
dignity. They were humiliated, beaten, or killed for minor
offenses or for protesting the civil rights movement of the
1950s and 60s helped to end legally authorized racial
segregation, but racial bias still persists.
Yeah, and then this is the Kanye kind of topic where he talks
about the 13th amendment and and how incarceration is clearly a
form of slavery.
Yeah, I mean, when we say Have you ever committed a crime? It's
okay. You can be a slave. Yeah. And you'll end up
Yeah, and you'll be making stuff for IKEA. You'll be making stuff
for some some of the biggest clothing manufacturers that the
commercial Corrections Corporation of America. At one
point, most of it owned by Bill Gates, just as a side note, and
Warren Buffett and a couple other people like that. That's
that's the business is your role in the human, the human beings
and you lock them up and you make them work. And you
almost keep me down a rabbit hole with your last episode of
no agenda with the mass incarceration in the you know,
the companies behind I mean, excuse me the circle. Yeah, I
was I was holding on to the edge of the rental house that had no,
careful now you gotta be careful that one goes so deep Mo is is
crazy. That's that's a real, real deep one.
No, we are gonna go down it. But I was just saying, like, for
this show, I was like, No. Way too much. But yeah, so this
thing called sharecropping, with just slavery as another name
under another name. And to further prove that point, I
found this interesting piece from vise. And as a genealogist
who tracks down modern day slavery practices.
Although sharecropping was technically legal, the practice
was widely abused by white landowners who use debts to keep
African Americans tied to the land that they once worked at
slaves. sharecroppers didn't pay rent, but they didn't own any
property. And today, historians agree sharecropping was just
slavery by a different name.
So many former enslaved Africans had nothing, I had no choice to
add a year. You owe me no matter how hard you work, you are told,
sorry.
And those cases relate directly to your cases today, right?
After slavery. These are like 1921 1930 1940s to 50s and some
of them to the 60s.
Antoinette's very first case was May Luis Miller, a woman who was
held as a slave with her entire family and Mississippi until
1961. Domi passed away in 2014, Antoinette took us to see one of
her brothers, Arthur Miller
May an author began to have the older sisters and brothers say
remember, like they took a long time before author really open
up and talk.
Wow, this is this was kind of nice with with your, your
grandfather that there's records of this stuff.
There's plenty of records, you know, why those records? Could
they were property? Yeah, it to have property. It's not about
the, you know, the birth certificate or things you had to
keep, you know, record for tax purposes, kind of
keep track of your essence.
Correct. So there, there are a no a bevy of, of, of records and
documents and all these things. And now with genealogy and those
kinds of things. They can be dug up very easily. I mean, this
lady here, she has one leg, she lost one to cancer. And she's
kicking ass i No pun intended. But reason why I'm saying is she
could let anything stop her. But she not only does this but she
goes and helps other people single handedly. I mean, this is
what these are people that we need to be highlighting, as
heroes and right, you know, leaders and if you want to use
that term, or there'll be no b2b lionized. I'm sure she's not
making that much money, if anything, but she feels is
important that these people that have been held in slavery in
1960 Yeah. That which brings to mind that what it is not related
in a way but it is but the colorism thing with the 1970s
with HBCUs Yeah, these these things die hard. Yeah. And will
you go back and listen to the massive speaks? He said this? I
mean, you can you have to listen to what he said. He said these
things is like straightening teeth. And he was very serious
about it that they would not let their slaves go. And so and a
lot of times slaves didn't want to go because yeah, you that's a
whole new world out there. Like what about how do I fit in
there? You know, I know. I know this evil you know, they're
like, they say like the devil that you know, is better than
the devil that you don't it's kind of thing it's like so a lot
of times people just willingly stayed on the plantations but
other ones they stayed willingly cost the other option they
thought was death or what is going to be laid out in a second
clip from Vice
related on how the what would you call it but some like a
plantation to me. They belong to different white people they own
with family, I guess and you couldn't leave anybody lead
either. Come get your hair, somebody to kill you or
whatever. Whatever. That's what happened. Cindy, my mama bear
what they do to your mother? They just pair my mother, you
know, the white me. You know, they just do what they want to
do what I just want doesn't have to do if I wouldn't be in I
don't know, probably wouldn't be
in this was in the 1950s or 40s
There was only through the 40s and 50s all through the 50s for
the 60s.
So what would the repercussions be if you tried to leave or if
you tried to refuse what they want it
back in them days it was kinda like you here to do what the
white man see it or geekier and there is no medium degree but he
killed the Burmese angry deer Dawson, they kill him. He didn't
run the same pleasently he left he would come back and he
wouldn't go to Boulder bank, get a read on him from his house.
hung him up in a tree. They hung him fish kill him first. Just
harass him and hung him up. Read from his halfway children.
Nobody could see.
I don't know much mo but I think the idea that you've got to dig
your own grave, just to be killed is kind of a de wrecker.
And castrated, forget castrated am
man. And so I lay all this out, what's the timeframe of that?
Mo?
1940s 50s and 60s. So we're not talking. He will say, Oh,
slavery ended on this day, get over it. You know, everything
was peachy after that? No, no. Now for my family. Luckily, no,
they eventually were able to own land. I mean, a lot of times
what you would do or mean, go back give some context to
sharecropping and cotton, those kinds of things, if you were
smart enough, or you dealt with people that were on the up and
up, which was very rare. Um, you could eventually have enough
kids to where you can work the land, make a profit off of your,
you know, your goods, and buy your land. If you're lucky
enough, I mean, that mean that, like I said, For me to be
sitting here, right now, a lot of things had to fall into
place, in the right way, right. So I don't want to ever want
people to think that I'm the norm. And neither are these
people. This is not the norm, but it's somewhere in between
there. Well, I'm just saying these things exist. And to keep
this structure and this system in place, they did things like
create the one drop rule. Explain what the one drop rule
is. the one
drop rule, historically, also known as a rule of hypo descent
was really instituted to protect whiteness, it was a way for the
white majority to be able to name and incite who was white.
So it was one drop, which is 1/32 130 seconds of Negro or
African blood would make that person Negro or African.
Whatever the classification they used at the time I hear
people say we're in a post racial society,
the reality is, in order to get beyond something, you have to
understand it right. And where in your education, where have
you been required to learn about race? They don't teach it. No,
it is the foundation of this country. We have to talk about
race, we have to talk about racial difference. It is just a
flat out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race.
How long ago was that? When Don Lemon had the Dr. Yaba Blay on I
mean, that's,
I'm thinking 2012 It was an Obama and I
was gonna say it's kind of it's kind of a semi sane
conversation, which I don't think Don Lemon is capable of
anymore. You know, he's, he's, he's, she's a victim of the
narrative. He really is. He really is. But there's a good
guy hiding in there. I can't help but think he knows he
knows. But he's in the weird position, I guess.
Yeah, he is. And for her to say that. No, racism is the
foundation of this country. If people hear that at first, and
don't go through the previous 18 clips are 19 clips are laid out.
Like what are you talking about? It freaks you out? Exactly. But
when you understand how sugar and cotton were the fuel, the
rocket fuel for this nation? And how that was basically
manufactured from black hands, black enslave hands. I mean,
could there's no other way you could pick those crops up into
1927 As stated, you know, from the southerners themselves. Now
you understand why you say racism is country is based off
racism. But if you throw it out there without supplying it,
people aren't What are you talking about? I mean, like, I
don't know,
what's not it's not even racism. It's the country developed as
the country developed. People started of course, it took way
too long. But People started to figure out, like, go back to the
beginning, oh, wait a minute, these are these people, these
are people, these are human beings. So it was a it was a
dual process, not a racist thing. It was just complete
ignorance. And God, you know, did they they barely believe the
world was round. I mean, it was a lot of learning in the time,
allegedly round, but not had been fair. Oh. So you had to
take all this in context. Even the founding fathers knew when
they were writing the Constitution, and you know, the
Bill of Rights and all these things. They knew it was wrong,
but it's like for the greater good, we're building this
nation, and it's going to be a beacon of light, you know, hope,
you know, it gets a monarchy, and, you know, those kinds of
things like, we might have to dabble in human trafficking, or
our own ownership of people or, you know, making people seem
like property, but it's for the greater good. Because you saw a
lot of the founding fathers free their slaves at their death.
Right. But the system while I'm alive, but when I die, it's so
they had an understanding of it, but it's I'll say this, how many
of us gonna give up on Nikes? Right? We know, yeah, for sure.
How many of us gonna give up our phones? No, I don't think so. So
I mean, you when we judge the Fade, we had to use a bit of
nuance. And not only that, but don't be hypocritical, because
we know how we get our Nikes we know how we get our hair weave.
Oh, yeah, we don't want to talk about that. So I'm not what I'm
not I'm not Pooh poohing. I'm just saying we have to look at
things in a certain perspective to say in that time, it was
acceptable. But now that we know better, what are we going to do
about it? Because there are people who still have real life
repercussions. I mean, this guy was 1960. He could easily have
children my age or grandchildren my age.
You know, it's kind of sad, just thinking through it. How the
cotton industry which made sugar and cotton made America, the
powerhouse that it is, that was the whole the whole genesis of
it, that we have so easily flipped that and then now we
just got some weaker slaves and China handling the cotton. You
know, it's like
what it has to be a bottom, there always has to be a bottom.
And that's the narrative against capitalism, right? I mean,
that's the that's the one. Narco capitalist myth, there always
has to be. And I'm saying that because they opened the door,
we're gonna get there walk through that door in a minute.
But to speak about the bottom, we have to go back that
throwback clip from show 48. And this is when we brought in the
idea of the ritual sacrifice, and striving to be white.
Gerard isolates three distinct bodies within the community, the
model, the rival, and the ritual victim. And he sees within the
community a driving function of competition, and the potential
for violence. So the model, in our case, the plantation elite,
or elite whites, are in possession of an object, they're
in possession of something. In the political realm, we might
think of the soleus capital. But if we think of it more broadly,
they're really in possession of something called white, which
stands for all sorts of things, concepts of election purity,
goodness, and provenance. And I was doing research in Weidner
library at Harvard, and they, they had this book. And it had
something like the 23 races of English people, which, which
sounds surprising, right? But not really, right. But it all
feeds into that chain moving towards the Elite model, the
person who is holding the desirable quality at the top.
Now, elites are able to generate allegiance, and they are able to
generate disciples by making whiteness a desirable quality.
Yeah, and as we've discussed many times, on the show, that
was very big in Europe is bringing some white people for
power, political power, we'll just call them white.
All right, and then you see why it's binary. Now. It's either
you're white or you're not. Yep. Now, and it's crazy because you
could have one child has three white grandparents weren't black
grandparent, he's black. And nobody blinks the arm when you
say that. I'm black. I mean, look at Meghan Markel. her
child's because he could easily consider itself black Nobody one
black guy, but you could have three white grandparents. One
black, I'm not home. You could have three black grandparents,
one white grandparent, you can't call yourself white. Why is
that? Yeah. I don't know. What's this though? No, I'm just saying
what system? If you met somebody and maybe they know they pretty
much will look like Barack Obama Right? Or maybe even dark,
right? And so I'm, I'm, you know, I know. I mean, they
explained to us now yeah, I'm white. And you like, what? Yeah,
no, no, I have a grandparent one of my grandparents are our wasp.
It wouldn't sit well with no of course not. But if you put that
180 degrees No, we're all used to it. It's good to go if if I
forget his name the baby you know, Santa baby mark will or
whatever, you know, cuz I said no, I identify as black. I
didn't pop my black. There's nobody says anything. That goes
to show you the one drop rule is striving to be white. It's still
alive.
And for the one drop rule, I'd refer you to episode number nine
is where you can go here. It's very it's well worth it. One of
the one of the big aha moments for me.
Yes. Now we had to venture on to Episode 43. And like I said, a
lot of this is gonna be throwback now. But I had to lay
out how we got to the conversation that we had.
No, you're just ratcheting us up to the top of the roller
coaster. We know what's happening. They know what you're
doing. Go ahead and tighten the chain. Let's get there.
All right. So take in mind sharecropping, being lynched,
digging your own grave being castrated.
What if someone showed up and just just said, Hey, we can
help?
How about communism?
How did you get interested in this topic? And as I mentioned,
it is a sensitive topic, because there are those for decades
who've worked to tamp down the suggestion that anybody in the
civil rights movement was attracted to the Communist Party
at all.
Exactly. And this is a story that actually predates the civil
rights movement, as we know it. Going back to the 1930s. I
became interested in this as a doctoral dissertation back in
the mid 80s, when I was very active in a lot of social
movements in actually in the LA area. And I wanted to know, how
the communist party organized African Americans, particularly
in places where black people were the majority. And there I
discovered a very vibrant movement that very few people
wrote about that, basically, were two stories, one memoir by
a man named Jose Hudson. And then another story in a book
called all God's dangers, which is about him, an African
American sharecropper,
just the life of Nate Shaw. I
remember that exactly. But his real name was Ned Cobb, and he
was a pseudonym. And it's a beautiful book that tells his
life story, only a portion of it deals with his membership in the
communist led sharecroppers union, which at one point, had
about 12,000 members in the blackbelt counties of Alabama,
and were all the members black. Well, in Alabama, there was a
point when basically all the members except one, two, all
African American sharecroppers and tenant farmers. Love that.
This is why I say what I say about atonement and justice. If
there were to atone for what happened and give these people
justice, you don't create a hotbed for outside interests to
come in and weaponize people against you. Within your
borders. This is bigger than black people. This is bigger
than a Das. You're creating the environment and keeping the
environment thriving for Marxism. Hello, do we not see
what's going on?
DLM NK
funded by who? We don't have to say who we know who I'm just
saying. So it's the same. I'm gonna draw these parallels now.
The same environment where Marxism communism could thrive
or the idea could thrive still exists today? Because the
atonement has never happened. And once you do atone for
whatever happened. Now, it's like, you know what, I de
weaponize your victim claim if you want to look at that way.
No, you can't bring that up anymore. But I won't bring that
up anymore. And the people that didn't go through that we can
alias like, you know, no, you're not Aidan. What are you what's
your complaint? You can't you can't hear oh, you're all free.
We'll Why are you What do you have to do? I mean, this is this
is this is family business, in a way because this but yeah, how
hoped to see why this is important. While that was
happening, and
we're making, we're making the same stupid mistakes,
what has been resolved nothing, no. And, and I'll say that on
both sides, the Boulay membership, don't help me build
a leadership doesn't help because they just come in. And
they know, we've had the conversation. I didn't clip it
on him any clips in here? They just profit off of black
suffering. Yes, I Oh, yeah. Look how poor your bad black people
will manage the money will manage the money for them will
take care of because you know, they didn't they only buy Gucci.
So we got to take care of it.
And it never reaches the people. And then you have this perpetual
suffering and victimization that thrives and you know, as a
breeding ground for these foreign ideas, which, trust me.
We know how communism ends. poorly. And really, if I'm gonna
say this, and it may be a heartache. If the south got
their act together and would win the free day slaves, I would
think they would have probably won the Civil War.
Yeah, I think that's yeah, real possibility. That would have
changed the course of history.
And then you fast forward. And now the only problem the
Republicans have with black people is racing relations.
Yeah, if you just want to take it to political, if they
resolved that issue. A lot of the, you know, planks of the
Republican Party black people on board for black people are very
conservative, you know, faith based? What is that? One thing
is that is the pm in the mattress. I mean, that, that you
know, that that won't people let people rest? Is this race
relations? Which atonement was all for? And like I said, I'm
just not. I'm just explaining to you. This is the tangible ask,
right? This is the maturation process of 2020 of black people
in America. It's like, you know, what's going on? You know, what
happened, as the Internet came about smartphone YouTube, a lot
more people know. It's not like I'm digging up these facts from,
you know, ancient or antiquated workbooks,
we have such forces working against this type of awakening
this type of knowledge, you know, do with just the, you
know, we talk a lot about it, but with narratives and
positioning statements, and entire, and I think a lot of
these people actually may not even be so bad willed. But
they're financed by people who have no good in mind, often. And
then people just, you know, they've gotten the story.
They're under informed and they go out and they do whatever they
think is right. And it's it's such a destructive, vicious
cycle.
And what was the takeaway dispatched for it was saying,
Bring us the real time right now, before we get back into the
clips. What was the argument and the big takeaway from the
debates? Trump's a white supremacist
supremacist, the only thing that nothing else came out of it.
You're so right. Oh, my, yeah.
Who are they talking to? Yeah, I keep telling this whole election
hinges off of what black men are gonna do. That was the whole
talking point of the Democrats is oh, he's a white supremacist
he wants Oh, he won't, you know, he won't denounce,
he's trotting out his kryptonite black people. And here he comes
with a plan. And like I said, I haven't looked into all the nuts
and bolts of the plan. And it sounds very similar to Mary Ann
waves his plan. I mean, to be honest, he might have, you know,
borrowed that from her even down to the dollar amount. Well,
there's no doubt when you want to package something. He's the
best, of course, package that up as the platinum plan for
America's blacks was. Trump
understands the culture he does
was way, way, way over the top and just perfect. What's in it
is not really what you're looking for. I agree. No,
what I'm saying is, and it's this weird thing, I'm going to
draw a point. Mary Ann Williams, his whole point with atonement,
right. We have a spiritual problem. Race, right? The race
problem is really a spiritual problem. That's what she kept
harping on about, even though she comes from it from a new
agey kind of point of view, but she was saying is this spiritual
like no, not to put words in her mouth like infection that we
have? That has to be you know, know, purged? She comes up with
a $500 million plan. Everybody on one side claps yay, yay, yay.
But then the other guy comes with a 500 million I mean, it's
gonna be $500 billion plan. Yeah, it was like that I'm just
going to show you how narrative works. But let's get back into
these clips. And the second clip from how communism was brought
to the sell.
How did the Communist Party get started in Alabama,
in 1928, the communists position in nationally was that African
Americans in the South have the right to self determination,
meaning they have the right to create their own nation in the
South. In this position that came out of Moscow, it came from
other black communists around the globe. And with that idea in
mind, they sent to organizers to Alabama and they went to
Birmingham. And he chose Birmingham because it was
probably the most industrialized city in the south. And they went
there thinking they would organize white workers and from
white workers, black workers would follow. But no white works
have come forward. And so the first two organizers was a guy
named James Julio, who was a Sicilian worker who had migrated
to Alabama, and another guy named Tom Johnson. And together,
they went out looking for white workers in black workers came.
And black workers came in fairly large numbers right away,
because for them, they had a memory of Reconstruction in
memory of the Civil War. And in that kind of collective memory,
they were told that one day the Yankees would come back and
finish the fight. Or when they saw these white communists, they
said, Oh, good, the Yankees are here. We can't wait to join.
This is one of my favorite clips from all the episodes we've done
that episode 43 It's so it's now you understand why when we look
at Black Lives Matter, Inc. and the Self avowed the train
Marxists like this is it's a repeat of history. It's a total
repeat. And it's it's kind of maddening when you think about
it, because this is, this is not taught
very well. You're not the only iteration of this because a lot
of oil with the black plant back Black Panthers. Yep, they were
big, Maoist. Very big Mao was in his Little Red Book. Yep. But I
won't go down that rabbit hole on this show. But yeah, this
America's gonna I'm gonna just say this. America is gonna keep
playing with fire.
And this thought process is gonna take hold. If we don't put
it out the racial fire? Yes. Well, this is this
is. This is the time and when it's time to do it. That's why
especially with the bullcrap doing the work, you know, white
fragility? I mean, people are trying to solve this with very,
very either poor intentions or just idiocy, no knowledge of
really what what's, what the background is. So yeah, matches
the time, this is the time to stop it and get some education
out there. We're just gonna keep going through this every 20
years,
and imagining when a foreign nation or if a foreign nation
steps in and said yeah, give them what they want. Give them
that tangible where it's gonna be on the path to Marxism or
communism, you could
flip that you could flip the country to Russia in a heartbeat
or any Yeah, we're China or China. I'm telling you because
I'm capitalism has its problems. But they pale in comparison, and
that's just my personal belief. I in a truly and we're not like
we don't live in a capitalist society. Right now. We live in a
corporatist society or techno technocracy or however you want
to put it in a true capitalist society where you buy from
oneself or to everybody, you know, have equal chance to, you
know, loans and funding and those kinds of things and best
man wins. And that's what all for. Not everybody gets the same
thing.
healthy competition, which is basically capitalism, free
markets. The stuff we are built on.
Right, but as it's called, is called race. So there is a
competition within the competition. And I would love to
see it more looked at like the Olympics. All the nations coming
together from their different nation, different colors,
creeds, religions, and they say, okay, who's the fastest runner?
Who's the highest jumper? Who's the fastest swimmer? Why can't
we do that economics? Why do we have to tilt the scale?
Well, it doesn't behoove the very rich people now does it?
Well, they get better be careful, because that's the
first one.
Sometimes your your head winds up in a basket. Sometimes you
never know what
he's saying. It can't be that bad to deal with this. But okay,
so we that's covering the people that stayed in the early 1900s,
you know, MIT to midnight on 1900. is in American south for
black people. The other option was to leave the south if you
were able to, I mean, cuz as you heard in the previous clips that
could end up in death. But if you were able to leave, you
participate in the Great Migration.
This map shows the black belt of the United States. Its name
comes from the fertile soil associated with the region. And
for most of America's history, more than 90% of the country's
largest minority group have lived here. Starting in the
early 20th century, nearly half of the African American
population left this region to resettle in emerging Northern
and Midwestern cities. It was one of the largest internal
migrations in US history. And now data indicates that a new
movement is taking shape. To understand why, let's go back to
1865. The Emancipation Proclamation ended slavery and
started a new era for colored people in the States. Shortly
after the 13th 14th and 15th amendments in franchise people
of color at large. For the first time, the majority of black
Americans controlled their own destinies. In the years
immediately following emancipation, most freed slaves
chose to stay in their communities. After all, the only
America they had known was the South. It was common for the
descendants to work as sharecroppers on plantations,
sometimes their only payment was permission to live on the
property. But that wasn't the worst aspect of the South for
blacks.
Jim Crow caste system determined where you could eat what
platform you stood on when you were catching a train. This was
a rigid caste system in which any breach of the caste system
could literally mean your life.
That's author and journalist Isabel Wilkerson. She spent 15
years compiling the stories of black exodus to cities in the
north, Midwest and west, the movement would come to be known
as the Great Migration.
The only problem with the great migration was you left the
South, you left everything you knew you left your land. And you
went to the cities where you weren't, you weren't, weren't
really on, won't it?
No, and there was no food because you couldn't have land
to make food. So yeah, there was it was a tough journey, a tough,
tough destination.
And a lot of times, the women were shutting the house all day.
I mean, it wasn't safe to come out in the neighborhood they had
they were forced to live in. It was one piece called a tenement
that I'll get into later on, and one of our one of our shows to
come that it was a hellhole. It was a hellhole and black
publications personally participated in this propaganda
to draw people to the north. Now the great migration laws up
almost to a tee with World War One. The beginning the first
wave, because you had a lot of white men going out to fight you
had to backfill those jobs. You backfill those jobs with people
coming from the south. Now, I will say this, as we heard in
the previous cotton clip, the mechanically picking cotton came
about in 1927. So that put a lot of black people out of a job. So
they had to go north. And then you had the pressure of the you
know, the kk k, which was nothing but a domestic terrorist
group, applying pressure to run people north. But it's very,
it's very sketchy what was going on there. And like I said, this
is this is not only a throwback but this show, but this is also
what we're going to get into moving forward breaking down
what happened in the great migration, and this is the birth
of your one of your favorite words, urban.
In 1915, African Americans began to leave the black belt for
these new industrial centers in 1929 1.5 million African
Americans have resettled in new northern metro areas. At the
time, Americans participation in World War One drove demand for
manufacturing labor. But strict immigration laws left northern
factories with a shortage of workers. factories in the north
started recruiting low skilled workers from the south. The
workers face discrimination in their new homes, which
culminated in the red summer of 1919. Migrant blacks, whites and
European immigrants were all competing for limited housing
and resources, which exacerbated relationships in city centers.
The most prominent of these settlements for migrating blacks
was in New York City, and the art, music and theater that
emerged from this community became known as the Harlem
Renaissance. These artistic achievements redefined the
cultural image of blacks in America. But the stock market
crash of 1929 ensuing Great Depression slowed the influx
from the south and effectively ended the first migration. The
second wave began in the 40s when World War Two kick started
manufacturing again, oh agricole. After employment in
the south plummeted, once again, people living in the world South
began to migrate to cities. manufacturing hubs in the West
were far more prominent in the second movement, but only a
fraction of skilled labor positions went to African
Americans. At the end of the second migration, an estimated
five to 8 million blacks had resettled outside of the South.
Kind of
interesting in the context of how immigration or certainly
illegal immigration has affected a das blacks in America. And
that's just a modest it's still a modern topic. And back then I
was like, Well, we had really tough rules. So Oh, guess what,
half the black people come up and do it their own people?
Yeah, and, and the crazy thing is, so we got to look at the
first wave, second wave were both driven by global wars. That
was it. And a couple points. I want to make one, the way they
use propaganda. So there we use stories like Emmett Till. Emmett
Till was, it was a true happening. But you got to think
why would the American press pick up on this story? I mean,
there's no benefit to it. to air out your dirty laundry, right?
Unless you want to use it to scare black people in the South.
Hello. To give up their land and move north. Now I'll give you a
copy or juxtapose that to a story that happened in Chicago
at a beach. A black kid was swimming on the black side of
the beach floating. I think he fell asleep or whatever. It
ended up floating and to the white water area. You know, they
stoned him to death in the water?
Yeah, I think we I think you told me this one before.
Yeah. I think we went over? Well, what I'm saying is, but
that never made the news. Why? Because you want to keep keep
the people flowing north, because that's cheap labor.
cheap labor, puts pressure on your white workers to drive down
wages. So we're always used as this wedge or our, you know, a
mechanism. And then when you see like now, even what black people
were saying, Hey, why are you letting all those illegals
coming out country? They're taking our jobs, they're keeping
the wages low? You had the same thing going on with so called
white people, because they were only allowed to be white when it
was convenient for the truly white people, you know, to beef
up their ranks, as we talked about with the gangs in New York
clips from the previous show. If I Okay, yeah, we got to graft a
man where our numbers are low, you know, okay, you can be
white, you can be white, you can be white. And to show you that
this bottom deer is not only white against black, but black
against black, as I laid out with your political class, the
black women are using black men now. The first wave of black
people that went in the 1940s Hate it to see the black people
coming in the 1940s. Right. David had calls and laws Oh, you
can't sit on your front porch. Or you can't eat watermelon
outside and he was in your front yard. Because there was the
optics. It's like, we're good upstanding black people. You
can't bring those country bumpkin ways up here. So there
always have to be I'm not keep saying that. But it always has
to be a bottom bottom. And that so that's like a Baltimore
scenario, where it's all a DOS running the city, and they're
keeping the bottom right where they want them to be.
Because they can't pay off the bottom. Yeah, look at all this
crime. We got to do something about it. We need more money. We
need more funding we need you know, we need more programs and
the money never trickles down to the people. Right. Tom, I just
say that it's like okay, Stan, and south and be inoculated with
communism. move north and be isolated from everything, you
know, because we're agricultural people. And I'll say that. Just
even now, me being back in the rural area, sunshine, fresh
water, fresh air. It locks up the enemy. I can't tell you what
it is Adam, I cannot tell you what it is. But just being here.
took me back to where I came from. Sure. And I'm not ashamed
to say I'm not saying my grandfather had an outhouse. I
used outhouse before. I mean, like, this is not. People want
to antiquated stuff and make it so far distant. History isn't
back to koonta kente. But no, that's not the way it is.
It's not like I said, I've used the outhouse before. Several
times. That we go to the we'll get water.
You should wash your hands before you come to the podcast,
that's for sure.
I mean, very clean, very clean, but just saying to put that in
context. Isn't that crazy? We're in 2020, and, you know, four or
five years old, I mean, in my lifetime. So just to lay out lay
that out that those were our two options. And then we went into
CDs while brought up earlier because you always say, what is
the urban come from what is now the new sending in with black
with urban was city was, you know, the city centers they used
to call Nautilus at the time it Funkadelic Yeah, exactly. Call
it CC Yeah, taco city. So you have these things. And it goes
from Okay, black being synonymous with rural
agriculture. Now you have it with urban, urban projects.
Right, right, is when the projects came along, and the
public housing and we talked about those things, and where
are we at on, but there was progress made from the 1940s to
the 1960s. And you don't have to believe me, believe Thomas oil
discrimination and disparities quote, The plain fact is that
black the black poverty rate declined from 87% in 1940, to
47% in 1960. Prior to the expansion of the welfare state
that began in the 1960s, under the Johnson administration,
there was a far more modest decline in the poverty rate
among blacks after the war on poverty began slowly. How could
that?
Well, it could be it could be because the things that they
thought was going to help did not help and in many cases made
things much worse. One would be the welfare state, which provide
and the other would be things like minimum wages, which just
price people out of their jobs. It's amazing how that simple
concept never seems to get through to so many people.
All right, crime. And in this case, you're writing not only
about African Americans, but about low income people
generally, in the United States murder rates, rates of infection
among with venereal diseases and rates of teenage pregnancies
were among the social pathologies, who steep declines,
declines were suddenly reversed in the 1960s. No, there was
rapid violence and other Social Pathology is common among low
income people in the first half of the 20th century, when they
were more deprived, as in the second half, when the welfare
state had made them better off in material terms, close quote.
Again. It's not the intention of anybody enacting the welfare
state to cause increases in violence. But it happened.
This is where the lazy Yeah, really exactly happened. This is
exactly where where's the phrase? I'm from the government
I'm here to help comes from and a war on poverty, where to
create one kind of poverty, war on drugs. War on Terror,
anybody?
What was the trade off for that help? Yeah.
But also talk, like to point out that and this is, this is always
seen as a Republican, Grand Old Party, conserve conservative,
right wing, crazy ass talking point. But I can tell you from
listening to this, and the learning, minimum wage is
actually racist.
Here's the problem with minimum wage. You keep less entry
workers from working. And what I mean by entry workers is you
build your work ethic. At 1314 15 years old. I started
working 14. I mean, I pestered my mom and dad about getting the
work workers permit. Started working at 1415 years old. When
you get in the habit of work, getting a paycheck, spending
your money, messing up your money blowing your money,
realizing you know,
you learned some things along the way.
Right. So by the time you get 20, you know, you got it figured
out. Hopefully you know that I need to spend less money than
I'll make or I'll end up a slave debt slave nonetheless. But
nonetheless, what a slave it is. When you have kids on the
sideline, thanks 16 1718 years old, I've never held a job.
Because the guy's looking well, I had to pay $8 An hour Well, I
could pay them $4 hour tour of them. I can only hire one of
them. And you have all these other. This is the problem with
minimum wage. And the thing is, is when you let more people in
the workforce is going to create competition and you know the
competition is going to drive up the wages that Truly, like, and
I don't want to sound like, you know, like I kind of economists,
you know, that kind of thing, but it just makes sense that
way. But he said, I don't think they did it on purpose, or did
they? Oh,
come on, gee, who's big on minimum wage? Bernie Sanders.
Number one, the minimum wage guy, he knows how it works. You
got to almost think he's evil.
Right? And then they bring up the welfare state and part of
the welfare state was no man in the house. And this is why I
have to give you and John credit. These next three clips
were discussed. Oh, no agenda way before there was a mold
fact. And I got people think you come here, Adam, like, Oh, he's
getting out? No, you are all around this thing. My you know,
at the edges like, No man house and, you know, das, and what it
was. It wasn't I was
a diamond in the rough. I needed to be lucky. And shaped into the
Juillet. I'm becoming
you're willing to do the work. But there was no work available.
I didn't know what plateau to work on. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
I had no context. No one giving me anything in the in the quote
unquote, mainstream media or anything that that I could look
at until until you came along? Absolutely. There's just wasn't
there.
But you were you were there. Because I mean, if you want to
get into 27,
before we moved into fruit, I go, the Welfare Department came
to our home. They talk with my mother about moving into the
housing project. But the stipulation was that my father
could not be with us. They would put us into the housing project,
only if he left the
state. Yeah, people really don't know this. This is still such an
unknown fact. And I was alive when there's a taking place.
Which you were covering this because like I said, this comes
from my knowledge. And I know the clips.
Yeah, I hear you. And we will probably go, we're probably
going like, wow, how about that? That's weird. What's up with
that? No one ever talks about this? And of course, I never
knew the whole background to it. But yeah.
Now you asked, was it done? Was it done on purpose? Or was it
No, it just all well, we screwed that one up. And if you did
screw it up. If it Okay, save you it was a truly a mistake.
Now, the whole stop. It can't be a mistake. They had they had
armed guards or overt or, you know, tattletale brown shirts
running around to make sure that this wasn't taking place no man
in the house. That's a that's a program. That's not a mistake.
That's I'm just gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. I
mean, because that's what I do. If it was a mistake, and this
was happening in the 1940s 50s 60s. Why haven't we
fixed that? Why haven't we put the energy to say, hold on? How
do we get the men back in the house, you know, black families,
you get a double tax credit,
or anything, there's a whole bunch of ways to do it. Of
course, you can stimulate that easily.
But that's not what they did. What they did was and then when
DNA showed Okay, let's ramp up the family court. And let's,
let's have Let's have a fight over that. You know, the man's
check.
Yeah, let's do it on theory, Springer, let's make it into a
circus. Omari,
you know, talked about that before where it's just nothing
but a that's really a game show. Yeah. And then it's no sweat off
the off of the government's brow, because you I think like
this is if
he is the father, he has to pay for it. If he doesn't pay for
it. He goes to jail. If he goes to jail, that's free labor for
us. And then guess what, his kids are probably going to be
criminals too. And that's two or three more future workers in our
industrial complex, industrial prison complex.
Yeah, when you say it like that sounds pretty sick. Doesn't
doesn't sound too good, does it?
Um, to say and they I haven't seen any resolution to say, hey,
how do we get those? How do we get those man back in the house?
None of that is more it's more of the same thing. Well, let's
get more into that. No man in the house prom no agenda.
The welfare department had a rule that no able bodied man
could be in the house if a woman received aid for dependent
children. As a man lost his job. He's looking for work. He still
had to leave the home. And there was even a night staff of men
who worked for the welfare department whose job was to go
to the homes of the welfare recipients. And they searched to
find if there was a man. And
isn't that crazy? If people really knew this, which is so
easy to find me is not that long ago.
And just to give her historic context of this, I live with my
grandma told no, I've told the story before but just the short
version, I live with them, they lived in low income apartment
with a lot of wear for single mothers. And when the warefare
people will come this is not the 80s This had to be 8485. Yeah,
he was the are the man running out? Yeah. So this is not
19 4050s or 60s, these things are still going on in 1980s. So
it's not it's not. And we could talk about how all what we
talked about in previously feeds into this. This is nothing, this
is nothing new. And it's nothing old, either. I mean, what does
he mean? What is nothing new? Because it existed for so long.
And it's nothing Oh, because it existed for so long. If I made
myself clear. Great, well, it's
just, it's not exposed. There's no incentive for anyone is
charged to expose these. I mean, because it's so easy to take
that up until 1980s. To the entire baby mama culture,
everything we witnessed now, the end result being 75% of children
growing up with no father in the house. And that's, of course,
not just black. Now. It's it's all colors of the rainbow. It's
created a very destructive culture.
And to speak of things that we haven't spoke, we spoke on the
crack epidemic, which that plucked men out of the house.
And as a tremendously high rate. Before that you had Vietnam,
which disproportionately impacted black men, pluck them
out of the household, and then it's them back home. And that
draft Yeah, with drafts, which send them back home with alcohol
or alcoholism or terror, or heroin. Yeah. Or dealing with
just ill effects a war itself. Yeah. Which, you know, these are
all things we've disguised. I mean, we have, I can say, we
haven't even scratched the surface of the surface on the
bottom.
So again, I'll remind everybody who's made it up to this point,
what's being discussed on the street in the media is, well,
you just hate that person because of the color of his
skin. And these problems are because you you are bad white
person, or you're an ungrateful this or that it's really is so
unrelated to the core issue that it's just a cover up.
Just the cover up and you end the people who are supposed to
be voicing it, do it so abrasively that it is a non
starter, which we always on the show we try to defuse avoid non
starters, because we want to have a conversation. We want
people to go to the table. And you know, and work it out. But I
guess we could wrap up with the final. No agenda, no man clip.
I remember vividly, my mother telling us if White people come
to the house and asked us questions, tell them that your
father is not here. Tell them that your father has never been
here. You've not seen your father. I trusted him. I knew
that there was a reason that we had to do this trade. And I
participated in this charade. I sat there and looked those
people in the eye and told them with pure earnestness. No, I
have not seen my father and no, my dad, he does not live here.
And, but I knew that I was lying. And that made me wonder
Who are these people and how they have the power to make my
mother lie.
We're giving you money. We want to be able to control you. We're
giving you money. So we have the right to make stipulations as to
how you use it and what you use it for. Yeah,
exactly. That's how you do it.
And I say to people all the time, it starts with this. It's
starts with those. How do you think UBI is gonna play out?
It's gonna start with you. Know, we're giving you money. Boy, No,
we're giving you money, then this is what you're gonna do.
This is how we control you.
Yeah. Take the shot, go here, don't go there. Don't move with
these.
These times. Well, that's that's always the control. Absolutely.
You give people money, you got control.
And that's the importance of our conversation that we have each
week. And we follow the model laid out to us. But yeah, that
was laid out by the one and only Malcolm X. Here he is listen
carefully,
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the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his
mind without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the
so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without
hurting the feelings of the white man, then they can bring
the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and
take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's
the only way we'll ever do it.
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As you just heard from Thomas Sowell or 1940 to 1960, black
people were making huge strides in progress. With that said, we
saw the no man the house, the welfare system come about
welfare state, excuse me come about. So the media had to get
in on an act and we discussed for episode 12. And this is the
media MLK and the civil rights movement one.
As a story, the Civil Rights Movement had it all. Good versus
drama, social upheaval. But at first America's major media
ignored it, especially in the South.
It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the
issue
was Congressman John Lewis says that the movements leaders
realized to bring change, they needed to reach white Americans.
How did you do that?
As a movement. We literally put our bodies on the line,
Jennifer woods on the Civil Rights coverage.
Hey, klibanoff co wrote the race beat a book about the media and
the movement.
Well, race was a big story in the south beginning in the 40s
and 50s. It's just that no one knew about it.
Finally, by 1957 Major northern newspapers discover the drama
and the story. How do you feel about integrated passengers that
television networks followed, even major southern media paid
attention to the open hatred,
you got to kink of white and a black set and the violent
response
to peaceful protests?
If you're gonna beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us
where the cameras on
on gov. This was Selma, Alabama, 1960 Pa. Among the bloodied John
Lewis,
American people could not stand it to see young children. And
all women been knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police
stole.
Yeah, it was a golden era man, once we got it on TV. Oh,
was it you heard me say? So they had a dramatizing? That's right
now, what was going on behind the scenes? A lot of black
people dislike now and how they try to paint us as a monolith. A
lot of black people notice time didn't want integration. They
want to separate with equal, but let us have our own community.
Let us have our own schools, you know, give us the proper
funding, it was more of a governmental issue. It's not
like I want to live on the same block as you I just want to make
sure about paying
services, you get the same services as everybody else, same
level.
And it wasn't even commercial. It was more with the government
service.
Yes, school health care everything. Yeah, a little
overboard on the health care with the Planned Parenthood
stuff. But you know, it came from a good heart Mo.
But that was the thing is that I honestly believe now, I will say
a lot of those leaders are probably naive. And thought, oh,
we have the integration thing. That's a good compromise. But
when you innocuous I'm not pushing for segregation in
itself. But I'm not pushing for force integration either. Which
I think is a very bad idea when you take people and just smash
them together and like y'all deal with it. I mean, the
government says, you know, we're gonna put that and the reason
why I say this is this. I get a lot of personal, you know,
reflection for me. My dad was moved and his senior year to
integrate school. about Haiti. He was bused. Well, the top town
was smart enough that
there's no bus. Okay, can walk. Walk? Yeah,
but it was like, No, you can't go to the school. The school
that you went to for your last elaborate 12 years. So
in that context, how is important? How important is the
President's current president's school choice initiative areas
that hitting home? Is that making a impact? Yes. Because it
gives you the power, what gives parents the power to choose
where you spend the money and where you make the school
better. Right. Right. And
along with integration came social promotion. Where is my
dad would tell me if you were 13 years old, on the third grade,
if you couldn't read on the third grade level, we weren't
going to where we black teachers, right? Whereas when
you went over to, you know, integrated school there was
like,
Ah, well, we'll help them out a little let them slide. We again,
if you're doing you're damned if you don't want to be too hard,
because if you keep family black kids out, you're racist, you
know? And then if you don't, if you do pass them along, they
can't recall your racist.
Can't win. Yeah. So like the
thing that will bring you the less amount of grief, it's just
like, pass them on, pass them on, pass them on path
of least resistance. Yep. Exactly. And it's destructive.
It's so destructive. And and people don't see it. This has
been going on so long. No wonder people are having such trouble
with this. They think they've been doing all these good
things. And I guarantee you, when Kamala Harris talked about
busing, you know, whatever. And however she felt about it, and
what's true, and she was there to, to slam Biden. I think a lot
of people heard that for the first time. They'd never heard
of this. They didn't know what it was about didn't get it. And
then like, really, you were made to do that. Well, that's just
crazy. And you
I think they're ancient and go along with the clips here. They
were indoctrinated with the little black girl with her
schoolbooks. And you have rank and file of white people go
home, go home, we don't want you here. You know, that's the
mental abuse, abuse, abuse and mental imagery that's painted
with that. And when you want to say, when you say school choice,
because all we going back to segregated schools, we've
already been there. I mean, that's basically what people do
they go in cycles in their kids that they send their kids to
private schools. Well, I don't want my kids going to school
with poor kids, not necessarily black kids. I mean, that's what
Joe Biden said, but you know, I won't go there. Well, yeah, they
use the media or the media used, they thought they were using the
media, but actually the media were using them. Yes. To make
inroads. As we talked about MLK and JFK to have strengthened
their political base,
we will dramatize this whole situation by marching by the
1000s.
Television also found Martin Luther King strike
the Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. will face the nation,
Americans heard a leader who shattered racial stereotypes.
We feel that the time has come for a full scale assault on the
system of segregation.
This man is someone you could actually talk to, and who seemed
quite reasonable for white Southerners, this was new
information. And part of a national Awakening
was the media to carry our message to the rest of the
nation.
Protest became progress once the media woke up, and Americans
rose up. Mark Strassman, CBS News, Atlanta.
And I just like to point out that this is the point where
Malcolm X was no longer in the picture could not get the same
media attention. It was all MLK
where he had the people do Yeah, that's the difference. Like
everybody was like with their weight cane now and you know,
cost of the product Martin Luther King, I'm not gonna say
I'm not going to denigrate him anyway. But we also have that
tat that narrative that was being used that he's used to
fuel like say he's agreeable, and you know, he all he he's
chattels. The stereotypes. What are those stereotypes? I think?
I don't understand what they're trying to say there. What What
were you thinking beforehand, like, oh, they can't Oh, there's
one Nick a former Senate. Let's talk to him.
He's very articulate.
That's the that's the
that's, that's no, that's what Joe Biden said about Barack
Obama. By the way.
He's clean. He's clean.
He'd be perfect to President. Gosh, we should elect that guy.
Yeah, you don't have to say I think the point is made.
No cuz this, them picking our leaders for us. Oh, yeah. It's
like now, Patrice callers and the whole Black Lives Matters
and even taco mix over there. Shaun King. How do you get to
pick our leaders? I would rather hear from the lady who was doing
the genealogy work. That's if you want to talk about somebody
who's actually in the field doing the work let's hear from
her right
and this of course, also planes, people who are who were doing
the work for themselves. And then Adam curry shows up and
says, Hey, you know, hate us. And, and, and I can understand
it's a knee jerk reaction like, Oh, what are you trying to lead
us? Now? I get that I get that not offended, by the way.
Right. But we also got to judge our allies a little better to
that. No, no, I'm just in general, because there's some
great opportunities out there that you might run off by, you
know, just judging to my so quickly, well,
I'm then I'm gonna, I'm gonna be honest with you, which I always
am. But I feel privileged. I feel privileged because I can go
out and speak my mind. Because for good or worse the society
and we're in, I can always say, oh, but look, here's my friend
over here. This is who I'm who I'm learning it from. So I have
like a shield, which is not entirely fair. But I do have it
and I use that subconsciously, or consciously. I feel good. I
know, you won't hear me say, Well, my black friend Mo, I
don't say that. But it's I've been learning a lot with my
friend Mo. And so
it's more than me. It's the information. Yeah, well, of
course, you can you can knock down those narratives. It's
like, Oh, yeah. What about this is like, no, no, no, no, you
slice them up.
I bet that's not gonna fly. So I guess what I'm saying is, I want
everyone who's listening to this, to use that to use more
facts. More facts with Adam curry as that shield that you
can point people toward and say, well, here's where I've learned
it, and who's here's who I'm learning it from. And here's the
information that's being presented. And please counter
that. So people can feel a bit better about themselves, about
speaking the truth and being honest.
Yeah, they like to say the truth will set you free. Well,
countering the narrative of the MLK in the civil rights
movement, our guy, Malcolm X, he was all about the ballot
footballer and black nationalist.
The political philosophy of black nationalism only means
that the black man should control the politics and the
politicians in his own community. The time when white
people can come in our community, and get us to vote
for them, so that they can be our political leaders and tell
us what to do and what not to do is long gone.
By the same token, the time when that same white man's knowing
that your eyes are too far open, consider another Negro into the
community. You invade.
They were long gone until they came back. Saturday, and this is
what year?
This is 1963 363. Yeah, and the thing is, is common sit, every
other group does this, you know, when you go talk today, you
know, that's how humans are, you know, Hispanics, they don't, you
know, people either like them, or align to their, their
political ideology with us is here. Now you acquiesce to what
he's telling you, or she's telling you. That's not how
politics work. And the reason why I'm just the posted MLK,
Malcolm X is not to cause any fissure between the two, because
both of them, we actually get into the know the man made.
Great point is that we need we are at the point now, a lot of
black people like we want to pick for ourselves, and we want
to hear what you have to offer. And if you don't have anything
to offer, or anything that's going to sustain me. You have no
you have no inroads to my vote. And they were here. Know what,
60 years ago? Let me 5060 years ago. Yeah. And it was what do
they do? They gave us black politicians. That was that was
that was the new black preacher was the black politician. Here
you go. Here's a guy that looks like you. But when they go into
Black Caucus, they vote all the things that don't help, or they
even brought John Lewis in the guy who was on TV.
And once he got in there a moisture become part of the
system. Yeah, that's where it goes. It makes you it's just
like what we're talking about once you need your own land, and
that I know we're talking about our culture. But the same thing
here. You need your own land. You need your own area, your own
space. Let's use that word. They love to use that word. Need your
own space? That way we can have a communication within ourselves
and say, What? What do we really need? All right? We're 75%
illegitimate on illegitimacy. Right? We need more fathers.
Yeah. What else do we need, we need skills. Because we don't
have anybody to build things for us. But I don't want to be able
to point out, I'm just saying that we can go over somebody's
ballot a bullet clips, but maybe let's just jump straight to
five. Because I mean, he kind of you know, regurgitates the point
over and over again, but for brevity of the show, let's just
jump straight to 520 2 million
black victims of Americanism are waking up and gaining a new
political consciousness, becoming politically mature. And
as they become developed this political maturity, they're able
to see the recent trends in these political elections, they
see that the whites are so evenly divided that every time
they vote, the race is so close, they have to go back and count
the votes all over again. Which means that any block, any
minority that has a block of votes that stick together, is in
a strategic position. Either way you go. You're in a position to
determine who goes to the White House, and you're the one who
has that.
So so good to hear that it's so good to hear that man, it really
is. Really, it's
like he was looking, he was in a time machine and coming to this
very, very moment he was from the future. And this is a points
that we laid out in the most recent shows. Black men hold
this election in our hand, and it doesn't take us to go vote
for Donald Trump or you know, it just all it takes is not to
vote. That's what scared I'm telling. That's what scared for
the Democrats, but they have the activators.
And I want to say that we've talked about this on a previous
episode, and someone got really mad and said, I can't believe
that you just went along with most saying I'm not going to
vote. It's unAmerican. And I say that's there's nothing in the
Constitution that says you have to exercise your vote by casting
it for a certain person. It is the power that that one vote
holds that you can use, as far as I'm concerned, anyway, you
want to use it? And if you want to take a bribe for fine, it's
your vote. I mean that, you know, if you're Yeah, let you
know, doesn't matter. But if you want to withhold it, it's just
as powerful a message
just Can I explain that for a minute? Because I get I get it,
you got it once I get it. I got it, baby. 1015 times, let me
explain to you when I say not to vote, if you want to vote your
local elections for your school board or, you know, those kind
of, you know, votes or a proposition that you want to
vote yea or nay for that's fine. What I'm saying is into in the
presidential election, and even national elections in general,
let's just say that. The reason why people said why don't you
vote with our party I want you to write yourself in. It's the
symbolism of one number. Voter turnout, if we can drop that
number down so low. That's the message. We started to show up
on episode number one on that point, they realized, Oh, I
think it went under like 56, I believe or something like that.
It was some? It was
six? Yeah. 66? I think.
So if he comes in at 4945. What that tells both political
parties are they're in play
here. Here's the pitfall No, here's the pitfall, the way the
media is today. They will spin this and make it something that
it's not. That's it'd be voter suppression. Exactly. The black
man was not allowed to vote because the evil Republican
Party and the white men and could be any party suppressed it
with that because he didn't have an ID or whatever the hell
they're gonna come up with. That's exactly right.
But let us speak for ourselves when they come to make that
claim that we will let them know No, we know what we're doing.
You didn't give us a viable option, you know, saying on the
table, we chose not to participate. It's it's far more
power. Because if you go and vote third party, it masks the
disapproval or the disappointment we have in the
current option. Right? That's what we're trying to signify
here and I'm gonna it's not about being lazy or, you know, I
don't want to go out and I don't want to make a choice. No, it
consciously I'm speaking for myself here consciously. And I
hope other black men are thinking the same way I am. Or
at least what Hear me out. If we're making a conscious
decision to say, Okay, you got this guy over here. He got to
$500 million pop off 100 billion dollar plan by us not voting is
going to symbolize that and give us access to that. So be it. I'm
not doing anything for him. Right. But Democrats, you're not
going to use me to block him either. Because what have you
put on the table? It's about politically, it's about being
politically mature. And what when they come around with it,
not a narrative, or, you know, we're gonna get blamed already
to prepare yourself or black man didn't save the Republic, you
know, it's gonna Doom this to another four years. The orange
MAN
bad? Well, we're gonna blame it on Kanye. Obviously, that's
where it starts blaming Kanye and his voters and his voters,
of course. And I think Kanye is jumping on that grenade for this
very purpose.
That's fine with us. Because when they want to come, you know
what, if you want to be that ignorant, continue to do what
you do and see what happened in the next four years. Right. And
what I'm speaking about is this is not no lifelong commitment.
This is a four cycle for you. Even two years, I mean, it
depends on what you're putting on the on the midterm ballots.
But yeah, where's the tangibles? So yeah, I get a lot of that
pushback, oh, you're not going to vote, you need to vote. Go
vote for yourself. No, it's this is a conscious and deliberate
effort to push that number down as far as we can. So they can
see this, aren't they? They understand the metrics. They
understand. And they say, Oh, what, what maklumat say? He
said, when there's a voting bloc available, and she don't take my
word for it, I mean, try it out, take it, take it, take it out
Malcolm X until they'd give us something, then we don't have to
deal with them. With that said, these male leaders had to go
yep. A comes the CIA agent.
GLORIA at the festival, you worked for the independent
research service.
Exactly. When did your own association with the CIA start?
And in what fashion they come to you? Or did you go to them? In
1958, when I came home from and from India, I discussed with
student leaders past and present, many of them active
with the National Student Association, this kind of small
foundation to encourage Americans to go, they thought it
was a good idea to I was then told by foundations and
professors and friends, that if that I should not do this, that
I would get in trouble with house on American Activities
Committee, the American Legion, all of those 50 people, and I
became convinced that it was impossible. It was at that point
that the student leaders said to me that they have in the past
received funds for international programs from the CIA, and that
they felt that this was important and could also be
partly funded by the CIA.
Ah, yes, the Gloria Steinem story, Episode 21 of Mo facts,
if you want to listen to it in context, but yes, here comes the
feminist group into the mix.
So I know you're saying Mohandas that plan so what we're going to
do is we're gonna cut to the chase and go straight to 39 and
say how Gloria Steinem targeted black women.
In 1978, Gloria Steinem put a book called Black macho and the
myth of the super woman on the cover of MS magazine. The book
was written by a black feminist and activist named Michelle
Wallace, who came out of nowhere. Wallace was in her
early 20s At the time, as she was being touted as the leader
of black feminism. In the book Wallace called abolitionist like
Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth, ugly and stupid for
supporting Black men. She called Black revolutionaries chauvinist
macho pigs and advises black women to go it alone. Gloria
Steinem said that Wallace his book would define the future of
black relationships, and she pushed hard to make sure the
book received massive publicity. Gloria Steinem's work triggered
a flood of hate black men books and films that continues to this
day. Needless to say, some are quite suspicious of MS magazine
and Gloria Steinem. Why was Steinem sticking her nose into
the affairs of the black community? So people started
doing some research and Steinem when it came out that Gloria
Steinem was probably the ghost writer of the book with Michele
Wallace, his name on it was had a nervous breakdown and went
into hiding for two years. And
I'll take a stab at translating that to today. Not only do we
not have any male leadership of note in Black Lives Matter ink,
or the movement for that matter, right now and I have it for my
clipless for no agenda, or maybe for us in the next episode. The
message now going out from Democratic Party operatives is
the most abused person in America is the black woman.
And the funny you say that? You did I know, I know. You know the
source of that where they're using for that, and they gotta
back up that claim. Hit me, Malcolm X. They're taking these
totally.
Because no way. Yes,
I'll find that clip because he's actually said that when he was
talking about the women in the context of the time he was
speaking up, right not now because he Yeah, post his death
and Pope MLK is dead. The agencies and the Liberals cut
deals with black feminist mean, if you talk to him now Gloria
Steinem is a hero to them. Oh, yeah.
Wow.
Why did they talk?
I didn't know that. I didn't know that they were using a
quote from Malcolm X out of context. And by the way, that's
a real danger Will Robinson we got to make sure that's
counteracted? Because that's really, really horrible. How
did that how did you think I knew exactly what the source
was, I saw that cropping up myself, these narratives. This
is what we do here. Yeah. We identify the narratives and
defuse them before they're used. And that's exactly what they're
doing. They're going to take his quote, twist it. And if you
spoke to Malcolm X now he will be completely horrified,
horrified with how Black Lives Matter. And you know, those
groups are carrying themselves. So yeah, so good job.
doing the work, Mr. Mole, I feel good. do extra credit. Always
give me a biscuit. I'm getting the biscuit. Biscuit.
Yeah. So this final clip. This is a black Vietnam vet. He went
and he served his country. And I want he speaks the frustration
that black men have with people that think we want something for
free. Or we just want something, a handout or something. And I
thought a good way to wrap this show up because it's kind of the
sentiment now a black man, like we don't want anything less or
more than the old old test.
This revolution is filled with so many ironies really, first,
you tell us that it is manly to keep your word. Right, if you
are a man, you keep your word. And now all of the black people
in this country are demanding, and even the black people in the
whole world are demanding is that you keep your word. You
told us we were free? Well then show us that we're free. You
told us that there is justice, equality for all in this country
willing to stick to your word. And let us see the justice and
equality for all. Or else admit to us that you're not a man,
you're a word, you're afraid of us you're afraid to give us
equal status. You're afraid that if you give us equal ground that
we will match you and we will override you. And if that's what
you're afraid of us, then tell us that just what you're afraid
of, but don't keep hiding it from us and holding this up to
us. And every time we ask you for something, you give us a
little bit of something and it's all tucked in is and we don't
want tokenism and then most black men in this world don't
want charity. And yet still every time we ask you for
something, you give us a little piece a little piece you're
playing games with us when our children what big man I've seen
my father have to put it well, all kinds of stuff. He was a big
man. He raised the family he went down and he had to go to
the back door with his wife. We're not asking for anything.
We're not asking for any favors. All we want is what's ours.
And when I look at YouTube, there are so many black men now
with this type of language and and this type of vibe and
mission and you can it's now it may just be the algos spitting
that out at me. I don't know, but I see it. And I think it's
good. And I think it's happening.
It's not just the algos because it's happening in real life
because you start when you talk to people, you haven't talked
for a while, they'll tell you we'll fill each other out like
we think about this, you know, it's we're getting a message
we're getting on code. We're going to take back our families
take back our communities, and you know steer thing in the
right direction and whoever is not on board, I feel sorry for
him. And number
one is I like your starting point. Take Back Our families
first and that flies right back to our donation note about Big
Brothers and Big Sisters. Is that start with your family. We
all could do better than that. No matter what. What color
that's where you start. I mean that's what you win the battle
it is that that's the table with the dinner table late
Yes. Exactly that's the big table. Exactly, exactly. Well, I
hope everyone enjoyed this as much as I did it was so nice to
even though I've been through the other 49 episodes so far and
and it's it's a lot it's a lot to take in for anybody with this
as is such a great refresher and so current for where we are
today except of course that we need to have the big he'll come
back special by the president which will which I'm sure will
cause all kinds of other things to crop up but we'll be here and
then mo will lead us through it and we'll we'll deconstruct it
and figure it out together.
And as I always say pay attention to everything and the
truth revealed itself
and remember us at mo facts.com moefoundme.com mo fund
me.com and Mo thank you so much man I had a great time
alright see you later
talk to you next week everybody ups and downs sometimes you will
want to smile sometimes got to stick right on and stay together
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