FAQs with Adam curry for October 28 2019. This is episode number
13 just had to wait for the drums to drop. Hey Moe, how you
doing?
I'm doing good Adam, how about yourself?
Nothing like starting to show off a little Kanye a little
Yeezy for y'all. Oh yeah, easy. Listen to this man. Listen, it's
so loud. Love that love that song. Fantastic. Yeah. So I kind
of know what we're gonna do today, which is nice.
Yeah, so by the songs a dead giveaway, we're gonna talk about
Kanye West. But we're gonna do is get Kanye West His justice by
looking at the dynamic personality that he is. Ah, I
liken him to being the black Donald Trump. Oh, interesting.
Okay, yeah. That reason why I say that is one, he's gonna be
somebody that we talk about decades from now. He's just one
of those people. And two, they have this independence about
themselves. That really rubs the establishment the wrong way.
Yes. And since you've made the comparison up front. Kanye is
like several people who I really, really, really like a
lot. And that's the reason I like him is because of what
they're saying, overall. But as I'm now a little bit older, I
understand that not only is nobody perfect, but these great
people will say fantastic things, and then sometimes the
most idiotic, stupid or perhaps incomprehensible things. But
that's exactly what I like about them is, it's the imperfections
that make it so beautiful. And yeah, I would put him I would
put Trump in the same category. Absolutely. This more people not
not as famous, but we're just they just say it and they they
speak their, their heart, their mind. And sometimes it's, you
know, like me, I have that I say all kinds of stupid shit. And
omit amidst the brilliance of course,
of course, I feel like I'm the same way with I don't have that
filter, or that filter is very pores. That right? The truth
comes out and in the clip byte world that we live in, is what's
refreshing to have these kinds of individuals. And then to, as
you said, that the way they say certain things that can be
clipped to sound like idiots.
Yes, very easily.
So what I want to do with this show is to give some deep
diving, deep diving view, look into Kanye, and what he's meant
to, quote unquote, black people, and how the media has warped him
his his, what he is into what they want him to be, and a
perfect example. Well, he just came out with a recent album
called Jesus is King. Yes. And this is a whole new, it's kind
of like, he's come back around to where he started. Oh, I've
always said that Kanye West cannot be canceled. Because he
made Jesus walks. He is bulletproof. I've said that from
day one. He has a certain tie with his fans. He has a certain
equity, that he can defeat canceled culture. So we're gonna
get right into these clips. And I have isol just a show. From I
was on social media, looking at how people clip things, and I
have ISOs showing how if you just take a small soundbite of
Kanye West, he gets like a complete idiot.
And I'm the one who are you eat fish sticks? Cuz I have skinny
jeans
fair warning in preparation for the show. I did watch the
interview. Did your deconstructing here I also
listened to the album. So I come prepared to the show. But yes,
this is exactly when I heard him say that I had the same thought.
I'm like, Oh, there you go. There's your clip. Put that out
there nut job.
Yeah, you eat fish things because I wear skinny jeans.
Exactly. Um, so just a warning for people to have young people
that listen to The show oh this will have some adult content in
it just because of who we're dealing with. But not too much.
I tried to clip out as much as possible which would make this
show very labor intensive.
Do you have another way that you cut out all the bad words?
No, I didn't cut all the bad words I tried to keep context to
the clip without including the bad words. Okay, so All right, I
didn't I didn't edit it anyway to where I edited what he said I
just tried to clip either before or after. Now, just keep the
because I want to make it a family friendly show you know?
Because we it is our edutainment.
edutainment infotainment Here we go.
Yes. So before we dive right in, I want I have one more. I so and
this is what poeple the one the pitch deck when I made myself
but this was the one that was floating around on the on the
socials
rappers be talking about I got you a bit astrograph Got your
bid is Greg. Gotcha. I'm sorry. I know. My Christian scorecard
just went down for using a profanity, a profane piece of
language. You ain't got your Instagram get all y'all. Could
they go do it for the gram before they do it. You they go
for they send it to you.
Yeah, I actually understood this when he said it. Yes, I speak a
little Kanye little Yeezy.
Yeah, so this is the one that made his rounds on social as a
as a meme. So before we get into where it Kanye is right now, as
you always know, I like to go backwards to give proper context
to where we are. Yes. So for a lot of our listeners, we they
may have not followed the path of Kanye West, I can say I have
been a Kanye West. I don't use the word fan. But follower. If
you want to say at the age I was I was a fan. And what I mean by
that is, I want to say 2001 Maybe. So just to date myself
that made me about 21 years old. This is when Kanye West was not
heard of and he was only making beats on other people's albums.
Right? I take I took a liking to his music. So much so that it
affects me. If people don't know I make music also, if you go to
mo fx.com You can hear so my music but he had that kind of
impact on me. So I've been through this whole journey with
him from day one. And I what I mean and I truly mean day one
before he even even before I even knew what he looked like,
only knew his music. But what made him crack come crashing
into maybe mainstream media was his back on his comment. George
Bush doesn't care about black people.
George Bush doesn't care about black people.
I thought Kanye West was blisteringly brilliant. Even as
he stumbled toward his self expression. He was nervous after
all, he's going off script. George Bush doesn't care
about black people.
He was his comment was wonderful. You can see if you
really look at it, he's like, I'm gonna say something, say
something. And I'm sure he's trying to think of something
eloquent and wonderful. And politically astute.
George Bush doesn't care about black people. When I went up to
NBC, I hadn't planned to make a statement. I didn't know what I
was gonna do. I read, but they wanted me to read and I felt
like, you know, at practice, I read a teleprompter. And I felt
like it wasn't heartfelt enough. So I knew I was gonna speak from
my heart. Don't put me in front of the camera if you don't want
me to say hi, Phil.
And he said George Bush doesn't care about black people. Now the
amazing thing was to turn to Mike Myers, who was sitting
there like a deer caught in the headlights. Mr. Mike Myers, Dr.
Evil couldn't even utter a word in articulate rendered mum. And
numb
after I said it. Just everyone in the room was polarized. And
like, it's kind of like I had to show myself to the elevator. And
my eyes looked at me say, Oh, it is what it is. And it was a bar
right across the street from here. We're going to go have
drinks right afterwards, because it's one of those ones, you
know, where you do something like Oh, shit, this might be the
last trick we ever have.
My reaction was a he's talking to a lot of us. A lot of us felt
that Bush did like black people. And I was happy because in it.
I've been very critical. A lot of the hip hop artists who have
said nothing irrelevant in many ways have said a lot of
destructive things. I thought it was a breath of fresh air and at
least somebody said something constructive and stood up for
their people.
Well, when I was up there I wasn't concerned about record
sales. I wasn't concerned about sponsorships about losing any
sponsorships, which I mean, we did. But I was more concerned
about, you know, if I was
in these people's shoes. Now I remember this moment very well,
because this was the moment that Kanye came into my life. I know
that sounds pretty weird, but I mean it that way. And I think it
was the Hurricane Katrina benefit show. And I remember I
remember because Bon Jovi was part of getting it together. And
I remember thinking, listen, douchebags, why don't you just
take all your money and go do something there? And then I
remember Kanye said that and I went, Holy shit, this is great.
It just blew me what I loved it from the oh, now there's a brave
guy. I thought it was fantastic at the time.
And this may have come crashing into a mainstream celebrity.
This is the one that did it. And he greatly ingratiate himself
with black people to the point he had already given us. Jesus.
Jesus walks.
I'm sorry to interrupt. I just want to say that because this is
all about our perspectives. From my perspective, of course, I'm
not black, so I wasn't like yeah, go black. But I was
thinking, screw you elites. That's that is what it said to
me is screw you with your stupid telethon bowl crap. You know,
this whole thing is just a farce. That's, that's what it
how it came across to me. And I really like that.
And let's put some perspective on this. Because at this time,
George Bush is what Donald Trump is now hated. So it was the
Liberals ate it up. And who would have thought fast forward?
How many years it is now? 10, George Bush would be hanging out
with Ellen and hug while Michelle Obama and Kaya with me
facing capsulation from black people who would have ever
thought in a parallel universe that could even be a reality.
It's a wonderful day
in the neighborhood. Nuts. Yeah, you're so right. You're so
right,
that just that just goes to show you how fast things can change.
And people can fall out of favor with with their, quote unquote
fans. So as we continue on to the historical path of one Mr.
Kanye West, we have to look at the kids parallel or his
interactions with one other president not being Donald
Trump, that being Barack Obama,
above the acts of Justin hunt, this is the breakdown. This is
dope to think about. For the past eight years hip hop has
been welcomed in the White House. President Barack Obama
embraced the culture throughout his two terms fist bumping,
dusting his shoulders off on the campaign trail, shaking hands
with Kendrick Lamar in the Oval Office, Jay and Beyonce might as
well have been a part of his administration. I mean, every
week, it seems like there's a new turn up at the White House
featuring all of our favorite MCs. But what's most interesting
to me as watching the relationship between President
Obama and Kanye West, play out publicly.
Amen. Fist bump.
That's right, man. I remember Hey, the Presby fist bump. And
that's pretty cool.
Yeah, given dapping you know? Yeah. Yeah. So they are, in a
strange way tied together, both from being from Chicago. I mean,
we've been no Obama's not from Chicago, but he was sold to us
that way, for being for South shots, Southside Chicago, and
they made their rise to popularity on the same timeline.
So they were tied together in a real way. So let's listen to
more about their relationship.
Kanye and Obama's explosion into the national consciousness
happened right around the same time. Obama's first major look
was in 2004. During the Democratic National Convention,
Kanye his first major solo look was in 2004. He released a
college dropout that year, Obama won the White House in 2008. Two
weeks later, Kanye West released aid awaits in heartbreak. This
was funny Obama describe the first time he met Kanye West
during an interview with Jimmy Kimmel, and whether or not he
still calls Kanye his house phone Believe it or not, this
was a topic of conversation in 2016 Roll the clip James.
I've met Kanye twice. The first time when I was a senator. And
he was with his mom and he had just gotten big. He's from
Chicago, right so they wanted to meet and he was very soft
spoken. Very, very gracious. That sounds like a lot He hadn't
quite come come into his own. And then about six months ago,
he came to an event. And look, I love his music is incredibly
creative. I don't think I've got his home number you don't have
his own.
Obama's a cool cat man swag on 100,000 trillion. Of course,
Kanye replied a day later. Here's what he told TMZ. Obama
before he knows that
Obama does call my house sometimes this is funny. Like, I
don't remember ever seeing this a president going back and forth
with a rapper.
I'm so glad you, you brought this back up. Mo. Because to add
to your list that you mentioned earlier, how about Kanye being
friends with President Obama and friends with President Trump. I
mean, that's, it's, it's, I mean, even Elvis didn't have to
respond to presidents I don't think
that's he's a very unique character. And we had for me to
dedicate a whole episode to one person. It wasn't out of fandom,
is that we have to really look at this. He's not a rapper. He's
not a celebrity. I don't know what box to put him in. But he's
he's a he's a personality. He's the icon. I mean, I don't mean
that. Like I said, any kind of fan worship, you have to give a
person credit. It's like with Trump, before he became
president. You just can't say he was a real estate guy. No, or
celebrity. He's like, these
guys are national treasures.
Yeah. But as you know, friend turned to enemies. And for
people that didn't follow this. Obama never fully embraced Chi
Chi, the way people thought that he would. And that was very
strange. And I think that was a calculation from Obama. Because
he knew this guy, anything he saw
that hates white people bit and he thought, well, maybe it would
be a little cautious.
Right, exactly, exactly. He ain't he knew he cannot. He
didn't want to tie himself to to Kanye. And I think Kanye was an
understanding of that, because he didn't want to be a
distraction. But there was an event that happened that, like
pretty much put a fissure between Obama and Kanye.
Kanye also says something interesting there. He said don't
try to pit us against each other. And there were a few
incidents where it seemed like the media was doing just that
pitting Obama against Kanye West. The first took place in
2009. And it came from this statement that Obama made off
the record. This was a day after Kanye West made Taylor Swift
famous during the VMAs.
The young lady seems like a perfectly nice person. She's
getting her award. Let's see. Why would he do that? He's a
jackass.
Again, that was 2009. Before that clip leaked though ABC
Nightline co anchor Terry Moran tweeted President Obama just
called Kanye West a jackass for his outburst at VMAs when Taylor
Swift won. Now that's presidential. The tweet was
later deleted, ABC was forced to release this statement, which
said in the process of reporting on remarks by President Obama
that were made during a CNBC interview, ABC News employees
prematurely tweeted a portion of those remarks that turned out to
be from an Off The Record portion of the interview. This
was done before our editorial process had been completed. That
was wrong. We apologize to the White House and CNBC and are
taking steps to ensure that it will not happen again. 2009 was
so long ago, like even ABC didn't have the safeguards in
place to make sure that journalists weren't leaking off
the record information. No one was prepared for this social
media takeover. Nevertheless, a few months later, Kanye West
responded to Obama he shared his reaction when he heard that
Obama called him a jackass in a conversation with double XL.
Here's what he said. Obama has way more important stuff to
worry about than my public perception. He was trying to
pass the health care bill and if he said that to relate to the
room or lighten the room up and the whole move, then I'd be more
than happy to be the butt of all his jokes, if it in some way
helps us overall mission. I'm a soldier of culture. I'm
resilient. I'm sure I'll still beat him in basketball
Wow, so a couple things first of all, ABC What a bunch of weenie
pussy boys over there.
Yeah, we're sorry. We leap.
Oh, sorry. Sorry. We didn't mean to do it. It was oh, off the
record. We can't report on that.
Whenever you want to get pulled from the gag who of
course If they want to keep their access, you know it.
Absolutely.
So, um, so we see whether the device stars and once again
media Kanye was was the bigger person to say, you know, I mean,
if he was, you know, make me a buddy to Joe to Sam for the
greater good, that's what I'll do. But if you look at the video
of it I would have took offense to it, because let's be honest
here, we're gonna look at look at things through a certain
lens. You got President Obama, the black guy in a room full of
white people call another black guy is a jackass. And they all
bust out laughing. Like, I'm sure.
No moat, you couldn't have been more white when you did that.
Congratulations. It was
I mean, he sounded just like us.
That's how the last word and it was like good when Obama you
know, it was like, Yeah,
I see it. I remember this, I'd forgotten that the whole room
was filled with white people. Yeah, that's pretty, pretty
lame.
Right? So I'm just saying how it appears. I'm not saying this how
it was, but optics matter. Um, so I think this was the
beginning of the end of me, Kanye and Obama bromance, right?
Or any possibility of it. So then it became out like for the
hip hop fans out there. It became all out subliminal war of
this is between the Obama and Kanye, which is culture. Yes.
This is exactly we miss culture. And so they started trading
barbs back and forth through the media as we see in this next
clip.
So that was one of the first times we ever saw those two
comments on each other publicly. Here's another during the 2012
campaign season. During an interview with Atlantic Monthly,
Obama was asked whether he prefers Kanye West or Jay Z. The
president said Jay Z. Although I like Kanye. He's a Chicago guy
smart. He's very talented. This is when the reporter David
Samuel says even though you call him a jackass, which Obama
replies, he is a jackass, but he's talented. There's the media
throwing the alley, there's Obama bringing it home. This
one's a little different. This next one's a little different in
July 2013. During the conversation with Amazon for
their Kindle interview series, Obama used Kim Kardashian and
Kanye West as an example of the change in culture that's
negatively impacted children's views on the American dream.
Here's what he said. There was not that window into the
lifestyles of the rich and famous kids weren't monitoring
everyday what Kim Kardashian was wearing, or where Kanye West was
going on vacation and thinking that somehow that was the mark
of success. But that's how upset people were when Kanye West
compared Michelle Obama to Kim Kardashian. He was asked about
it during the conversation with Philly's hot one Oh 7.9 Here's
how he explained his reasoning for doing so.
I think that he should have mentioned my baby mama name you
know cuz we both from Chicago
Don't be mentioned in my baby mamas name because we both from
Chicago this is a rapper and a president he said it jokingly
and I think he meant it. Here's why here's what he told Angie
Martinez after that.
The reason why Obama mention our name is because we most relevant
case in point so if I say that, that's because it's the case of
point. He just say that just trying to be cool. Obama was
supposed to be cool. First of all planet now I gotta say our
names to be cool. It's like a feature we featured in his
interviews right now they need a feature from us to get relevant.
You haven't
you haven't gotten that call in the middle of the night yet?
We'll call you know that call that like, stop talking about
the President call. I always think that comes when people
you know that like sometimes I think about that at night, but
you know, it no matter cuz it's still all a distraction. And
that's all they need and want.
This is all a distraction. Food for thought right there. Wow.
Kanye knows what's up. So imagine if you take out Obama,
and put in Trump going back and forth with a rapper on this
taboo, what the news will be, oh, it was on fire. So I'm just
saying, Well, I can say I'm a fair judge. I'm a fair judge. So
this, I believe was a precursor, or more incentive for Kanye to
jump on the Trump Train. Because guess what My feelings matter.
It's a new It's a new world JC this is the way America voted on
Trump.
Before I get out of here, I want to talk about race.
And the idea of racism in America. This idea that one or
another candidate was going to be less or more racist than the
other, or that America will be less or more racist, because of
one
of the other candidates. Specifically, to black people
focusing on racism
GA so this was Kanye at a Sacramento California concert.
And this is where he let the whole world know that he was a
Trump supporter. And he set the world on fire. And of course,
we'll stop. How did you feel when you heard that?
Okay, I kind of I kind of had an inkling because there was rumors
of him wearing make America great again, hat on planes. But
this was like, undeniable, and this was after, um, Hillary had
lost. So I want to say that so this was this was post election
go, Okay. Didn't come out during the, during the election. Got
it? Because he didn't, I don't think he was ready for that kind
of to be blamed because he would have been blamed. If he came
out. And the same thing and Trump would have won. He would
have been blamed for that. We say it went from 66 to 57%
turnout. Yeah, that would have been that would have been pinned
on him. So he had enough awareness. Not to say anything
publicly until after the race was over. Right? With that said
in the same concert rant. He said Google lied to you.
Facebook lied. To me, he was awesome. It was a it was like a
17 I think a 17 minute rant. He showed it to the he showed up to
the car, sir, hour and a half late. The three songs a 17
minute rant, and they might drops it rolls out. So yeah. So
the reaction to that was Kanye West has to be crazy. He's not
the guy is off his rocker. He has to be crazy and so much so
he was hospitalized that day, the very day after. So after
that he went into hiding. For a very long time. They were saying
that he had mental issues. And to me personally, I think that
was damage control by the record labels by the shoe companies and
buys all his other advertisers that they probably thought he
was going to be canceled and his career was over. Great. So fast
forward. He pops up again. But this time at the White House,
Kanye West came to the White House to discuss prison reform
and ways to combat violent crime. But things quickly went
off script and what happened next in the Oval Office does
have everyone talking overnight. rapstar Kanye West extending his
DC tour, taking his show on the road to a local Apple Store.
Just hours earlier, a stunning scene in the Oval Office kept by
that remarkable embrace was the commander in chief.
I love this guy right here.
But it's West's 10 minute free willing, profanity laced
monologue that's making waves while sitting next to Football
Hall of Famer Jim Brown. West praised President Trump.
Trump is on his hero's journey right now. And he might have
expected to have a crazy
like Kanye West and that read Make America Great Again. Hat
it was something about when I put this hat on. It made me feel
like Superman
at times pounding the historic resolute desk to make his point
manufacturing freestyling on more than 40 topics is a
hydrogen
The power airplane. If he don't look good, we don't look good.
So when I said I like Trump to like someone that's liberal,
they'll say, oh, but he's racist. You think racism can
control me
the entire spectacle seeming to even leave the president
speechless. That was quite something. At one point West
revealed he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but said he
got a second opinion.
He said that I actually wasn't bipolar. I had sleep
deprivation, which could cause dementia
West raising eyebrows for some of his comments about race.
People expect that if you're black, you have to be Democrat.
I have a I've had conversations that basically said that welfare
is the reason why a lot of black people end up being Democrats
overnight reaction pouring in.
This is white supremacy by ventriloquism black mouth is
moving, white racist ideas are flowing from Kanye West's mouth.
Still for President Trump, who has his eye on the midterms and
who struggled to win over African American supporters. The
visit by such a high profile person of color could prove to
be powerful optics in these photos obtained by TMZ. West
even convincing the president Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner,
to wear Make America Great hats, saying the word again is
offensive to some blacks, a surreal scene and an oval office
first,
like a smart cookie. Yes, I remember this wasn't too long
ago, and I deconstructed on the no agenda show than I because
this is exactly what I was saying. You know, you hear the
brilliance in between the nut job stuff, I guess, have I have
some kind of filter? I'm like, Oh, okay. And even some of the
stuff that sounds really nutty. If you listen and you focus,
then it makes sense. The problem is, and I noticed that from that
episode, a lot of people give up that they don't even like to
have a problem listening to the words. And it's, I think it's
because of how he speaks and his presentation, that people are
taken aback and they can't process what he's saying,
because he had some really smart things to say about the 13th
Amendment, which is not foreign fruit for Kanye West. But even
as I tried to explain what he was saying, people just the eyes
glossed over. It's very odd.
And who who else does it sound like? Trump?
No, I understand. When I saw that. And by the way, I love Jim
Brown sitting there. He's just like, Oh, yeah. Jim Brown loved.
Jim Brown wasn't sitting there. I mean, Jim Brown. Isn't that
animated anymore? But he was sitting there like, Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. And he's, I got these like, Yeah, this guy thinks it's
all good. And I did, too. It's like, this is a great moment.
Who would have this is crazy. What's going on? This is the
White House. Look at who's talking. Look what the issues.
They're talking about? Slavery, modern day slavery through the
13th amendment. I loved it. But I tell you how. I didn't get a
lot of traction with it.
It's because you said the key word you had to listen. Oh, yes.
A lot of people want to be fed and 32nd sound bites or two
minute news stories. And if it goes past that, yep. They lose.
They gloss over and you lose them.
Not only that, what but if you hear how that piece was put
together, that news piece, I mean, they literally in between
some snippets, were saying he's crazy off the wall, what the
hell? So You're conditioned, whatever it is, and in
particular, black people don't listen to the shit don't listen
to him. He's crazy.
They say he raised racial racial comments by saying that black
all black people vote Democrat. That's a fact. Majority. I mean,
I mean, how's that? How's it like a controversial?
Don't let anyone know? We can't let the cat out of the bag.
And that's exactly what it was. Um, and they even had one of our
show favorites. MICHAEL ERIC DYSON in there saying that he
was a white supremacist ventriloquist. I think he had a
black mouth is moving but that's the white man's hand up his butt
making the sounds Oh, yeah. Beautiful. All right.
And I hate to do this, but I want to go back to clip two in
the very beginning because that was Michael Eric Dyson. Just
listen to the difference in what he said there compared to what
you said in the in the previous clip. George
Bush doesn't care about black people.
I thought Kanye West was blisteringly brilliant. Even as
he stumbled toward his self expression. He was nervous after
all. He's going off script. George Bush
MICHAEL ERIC DYSON loser needs to face man.
Right? You appreciate his honesty when it benefits you
what you're trying to push, which you can't be on. And now,
now we're getting to the root of this whole conversation we're
having. As long as you're saying what people want to hear. You're
brilliant, you're this, you're that way. As soon as you get,
you have an honest moment, and you want to say what you want to
say. The name called it comes out. So what happened after he
went to the White House? Oh, can
I stop? Can I stop you? I'm sorry? Yes. When you saw that,
um, I don't know if you saw a news report first. Or if you
saw, I mean, I saw a news report, similar to what we
played. And I immediately went to find the full length of like,
I got to see the whole thing in context of this. I mean, I'm
just trained, because that's what I do. What was your
reaction when you first heard of this? Not before you dove into
it? Because I know you did. What was your first reaction?
Okay, so I know how Kanye West is and how he can be painted.
But I was like, wow, that's the look. That's even. That's a fish
sticks. You asking your parents because I work because I wear
skinny pants kind of thing. They aren't gonna clip this. Paint
him to be as they say in the clip. But do you pound at the
desk?
Did you hear anything that you thought was a good message? Or
do did was added not even presented? The first time you
heard it?
There was nothing in that. Oh, cuz to me, when I hear news
because I don't watch news is in the morning time when you're
getting dressed and my wife has Good Morning America, something
like that home. That's why I kind of hear the news for the
day. And whatever it comes, you know, whatever pops up, like
something like this, I will go get the full clip to hear the
context. But what I heard that morning, I was like, what, what
just happened? I was surprised. But he said, he said, he said a
lot of good things in there. He said a lot of things that I
agreed with before he even said it. I was saying these things
during the whole 2016 election, I was one of those people that
were like, um, and let me be clear here. If someone doesn't
give you the option not to vote, then you don't have an option.
Because either somebody's gonna try to pull you to one side or
the other, you know, you should have a third option. I think
every American should have the option if they don't feel like
the person meets what they want to be up what they're up to. But
I disliked Hillary Clinton so much. I was actually campaigning
against her. Gotcha, actively because I understand who she is.
I understand what role she played in a lot of the problems
that plagued the black community in our community. Momo,
you know, she knows who you are. You're one of those super
predators.
Yeah, I mean, I like I'm one of those people that hold her to
task because she says her addressing black problems is
having hot sauce in her pocket. I mean, so fixed, just that.
Even there. It's like, you're still doing it. You're still
doing it. But as always, they had to send out the Boulais Ah,
here we claim to clean out what was the mascot, it was him a in
the Oval Office, and they had to send their Top Gun Charlamagne
Joining me now Charlamagne tha God co host of the syndicated
radio show The Breakfast Club, New York Times Best Selling
writer, author of the upcoming book shook one. Anxiety is
playing tricks on me which it's bookshelves on October 23.
Always enjoy having you my friend. Yes. Craig, let's start
with what President just said there as as he helped the
President with black people.
No, black people are not a monolith. Okay, and Kanye West
does not represent all black people. And because I'm black,
and I don't support Donald Trump in any way, shape, or form.
Is you being used by the President.
Um, I think that if you can't be used, you're useless. So I think
that they're both using each other in a way. I just hope that
I think he's being misused just a little bit. Because when you
use him as a prop, and you say that because of him, you have
all of this support from the African American community.
That's not necessarily true. Kanye West represents Kanye
West. He doesn't represent the whole African American
community.
You've interviewed him a number of times. You interviewed him
back in May this as part of what he said about why he supports
Trump.
When he was running, it's
like I felt so
it's like the fact that he won. It's like it proves something.
It proved that anything is possible in America, that Donald
Trump could be president of America. I'm not talking about
you know what he's done since he's been in office. But the
fact that he was able to do it like remember I said I was gonna
run for president. I have people that was close to me friends of
mine, like Making jokes making memes. Talk NAS, like, Oh, that
was proven that that could happen.
You buy that explanation,
because that has nothing to do with policy that has to do with
ego. If I'm Kanye West, and I'm a celebrity, and I announced
that I wanted to run for president and everybody laughed
at me, but then the executive producer of celebrity apprentice
who is actually a celebrity comes in run somebody who has
zero qualifications has never held any political office and
actually wins. I feel like damn, I might have missed my moment. I
didn't know America was ready to just throw the presidency
in the toilet. All right, Charlamagne. Nickname now is BJ.
That stands for who lays janitor.
He quit. He comes in with the broom. And he does a fine
cleanup job. And what it does is, is get back in the box.
Don't Don't Don't think just vote. only be activated when
it's time to be activated. And as you if you heard I rang the
bell there because he says I'm your only use if you're useful.
I believe how he put it. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah.
So I mean, the truth always wants to come out.
I mean, you said it right there. Yeah.
He said it out his aunt me. He's, he does this all the time.
I mean, if you go back to the first show, we brought him up
about the Illuminati. He was like, Yeah, I want to join the
Illuminati. If that's what it is. Yeah. You're on the list
exactly what it was. It's like, so the truth always wants to
come out. Um, yeah, he also made another statement that black
people are not a monolith. Except when it comes to voting.
Yeah. I mean, what else would also
also mean for, for him to paint Kanye and Trump that way.
Whereas Obama had no experience. He was a one term senator, and
he kind of slid into the seat because the guy got rousted out.
I mean, Obama didn't really have huge political expertise.
Yeah, I mean, that like that, um, Pat, St. Jack, he got
elected president or something well, in a
way, like the way he did
I mean, like to do did run a billion dollar you're saying?
I mean, it did sell enterprise. Yeah.
I mean, you gotta give him his credit where credit's due, but
that mean, that's what they do. Oh, he's just a TV host. TV
reality show. I'm so out of all of this. And it's something I
didn't cover in the clips is when Kai went to TMZ. And you
know, had
they had kind of the semi meltdowns. Yeah, the slavery
is a choice thing. And it's one of those things where you clip
it, and you don't take the time and listen to what he's saying.
Yes, um, it's very, it's like, very useful, if you want to, if
you want to tear him down, I mean, he gives you that kind of
those kinds of sound bites. So but out of this, it all just
happens. Kanye was label the C word.
Today's video is appropriately titled, cone. That's right. ce o
in exclamation point. My good friend Willie D of the ghetto
boys recently put out a single call Kuhn, where he called out
various black folk who habitually sailed their people
out. And the way he defined the Koon is this. Willie D said that
if your criticism of the black community outweighs your
contribution of the black community, then you are a coon.
Yeah. And as we've learned on the show, I've certainly learned
calling a black person and call another black person Kuhn is
really the lowest of all low.
Yes, and cone is a racial racist term. So much so it was used in
Forrest Gump as one. If people remember the line, he was like,
Mom, he said, the Coos trying to get into school, the one guy
says to Forrest Gump, my mom would use takes a broom and was
on the back porch. I mean, so this is a known racist term, but
it's in this modern day society. Black people use it among
themselves. And I've noticed this weird phenomenon. I think
I've addressed this on the show once but I'll address it again.
how black people that disagree with you allow other white
people to use that term, to tear the person now that they don't
like
yeah, this is almost crazy. That's crazy.
Yeah, so much so that when you went down to Twitter timeline,
as this was going on real time, you saw a term use Kanye West.
Yeah. Okay. Oh, and why II West? Yeah, I remember. And it was
used by non black people can non black people would like it? And
I'm like what where are we at? As a as a as a group of people
as a society as a whole where we let people off the hook to use
terms that we are seeing that we find offensive and that we that
we would find offensive because they're in alliance with us on
political matters. Yeah, when we're in a bizarro world, um,
but I have a push back to the usage of cone. And this comes
from a popular YouTube YouTuber named chronicles of Judah. And
he pushes back against the term using the term Kuhn,
who are the real coons. And the reason why I've been compelled
to create a series by that name is because of the amount of
misdirection, misinformation, disinformation that's constantly
being propagated across the internet, and social media by
the woke revokes the pro blackity blacks, the internet
revolutionaries, as I call them, who loves to create as much
confusion and chaos as possible. By deciding that they're going
to try to guilt trip certain demographics or sub demographics
within the so called black community, by making them
conform to liberal ideologies, to name calling, and an attempt
to racially shame them for not being quote unquote, super
liberal. What does that mean? What you'll find is that most
super liberal negros are heavily into politics and activism, to
modes of expression that really have not reaped many benefits
for so called Black people over the course of the past 50 or 60
years or so, that's one of the first ways that they will try to
create a dynamic in which they can call you a quote unquote
Kuhn, if you're not someone who does not vote Democrat, or if
you're not someone who's in favor of socialist slash Marxist
movements, like Black Lives Matter.
So is this the replacement for the Uncle Tom or the house?
Negro?
Yes, yes, this is the replacement. And it cuts deeper.
It really cuts to me because Uncle Tom had became benign, it
didn't really have an effect on people because they already use
the term so they had to come up with this new term, the comb,
I love words, and I'm very intrigued. What exactly is it
about the term cocoon that is so offensive? I mean, obviously,
I'm not an idiot. But I'm curious. Because, you know, it's
just a word, right? At the end of the day, it's just a word,
but it was new, in a sense, because, I mean, it's like, it's
the one they dug up out of the they dug it up out of the
carpet, right? I had archives and repurposed it. And it took
on a whole nother it's like a, it's like a super Uncle Tom. Let
me let me show you example. Yeah, um, people like Clarence
Thomas, will be called Uncle Tom. Because it's like, people
expect him to be there. I don't think he is. I mean, I don't
think he is. I don't use these terms towards my own people.
What I'm saying is, it's not surprising that he takes the
political stances that he takes,
okay, so he's, like, already sold out because he's in the
system. And therefore, it's what he is. Yes, true or not. And
Kanye is like, is like, in this case, really a traitor? I guess
the way it would be a traitor to your to your peoples that makes
sense.
That that's that that's the difference between the two terms
that it Coonley Lee's leans towards more of you trade it,
you turned you've you somehow misled people to what you
believe,
Oh, I can tell you that. It's you've turned your back on the
culture.
On the culture. That's, that's, that's, that's like coal word.
Or if they don't want to use the derogatory term, they'll use
that language. Okay. You've turned your back on the culture,
and you're gonna hear this.
I know this, that you may. I'm
glad you made that. I'm glad you made that point.
Well, I when I saw the interview that we'll get to that Well,
there's two things. Two things I noticed that I was going to ask
you about. So the first one is this, this code of the culture,
so I don't hear the interviewer say black people as him called
the culture or, you know, doesn't even say black culture
is the culture or race or whatever you'd like to call it,
and the other one, which you don't have to get into it. is
whenever a tough question comes up, and he's, whenever the
interviewer is asking something, it's always, and this is overall
an observation. You do it sometimes as well, apologize.
Hey, um, you know, I don't want to diss anybody, I don't want
to, you know, I'm not no, no disrespect to anybody with what
I'm saying here. But here's what I want to say. It's, it is very
obvious in in this dialogue that Kanye has with the interviewer.
And the interviewer is basically asking him a tough question, but
always softens it by saying, Hey, man, you know, you're
great. And you're fantastic. cessful. And you know, and I
don't want to disrespect you about your thoughts about Jesus
or anything. But and then the question comes, does that make
any sense?
It makes all the sense in the world. And it's a term I was
questioning to use in this show. But it's has to be used. Just
like the last show, we talked about white guilt, for having
freedom without you can be made to have black guilt. Thank you
for being so open and honest about that, because that was my
hunch. But I didn't want to push it so great. Like that's gotta
have to have to be clear. And I have to be honest. Whenever you
break from an outreach, why I say this is our real power as a
people comes from being Amana live comes from being not at the
mind live in the having the same kind of thought, but having a
certain amount of code that we stick to its basis. I mean,
similar to being American, I mean, we saw it with the China
thing, we may disagree with each other, but freedom of speech is
baked into being an American, right. And if you don't agree
with a freedom of speech, it's kind of like an American.
There's kind of those things inside the black community
themselves, that they're hard coded. So it's like you, you
wouldn't do anything to harm each other, or you would think
that way. But our behavior showed totally not that but I
mean, that's a whole nother show for another thing another day.
But when you talk to someone, the mind control is so strong.
When you become free. You can't jar somebody else with your
freedom, right. And we heard it in the last show on the last
clips from the gentleman that was giving a speech, that you
have to be somewhat apologetic because you are a free thinker.
And other people are not just not because you're afraid, but
it's like for their sake. Not your own.
Yeah, no, I understand. I understand.
It's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like when I'll give
you this. And I don't know if it's true or not, you know,
you nailed it by saying black guilt. I understand white guilt,
you understand white guilt? I totally get it. It makes so much
sense. Except you're the first person I've ever spoken to in
the universe who said it?
At desk. That's what we've talked about before. I know Phil
is now filled, because it had to be said, because what are we
doing here? If we can't be honest, right? If we're gonna
get we're gonna sit here and blow smoke up each other's
butts, you know, saying like, what are we really doing here?
So, yeah, we need to have this honest conversation. And I'm
sure when you have certain thoughts when you're in a
liberal environment. You I'm not saying you do, but I helped make
the assume that you have to couch it or start laying course,
of course. And it's it's the same exact thing. Yes. And
that's what I love about it. That's why That's fantastic. I
Yes. Well, of course, well
now compound that with the fact that you could be ostracized
from your group as a whole Yeah. Now, that's the difference. And
in other societies, you have a variety of thought. Thought
groups, big groups, where if you're conservative or liberal,
you're standing as a group to fall in here the fact that we
vote majority at one way and we have a liberal ideology as the
previous clip laid out. It becomes a lonely existence. If
you say certain things now you could fill them but you can't
say I'm ness ness, where we're at with Kanye, and let's get
into the clip number 13. He speaks on this
mental health, you know, having a nervous breakdown going to the
hospital and and having the stigma of being called crazy.
Actually, it didn't. It didn't make my it made me more
relatable and made it a wider idea. Everyone is dealing with
health in some way. Like
I For me, being taken to my lowest, you know, Sam being
called a coon by my own people, the guy that said George Bush
don't care about black people is a coon because I didn't say I'm
gonna vote on Hillary Clinton. Right. And that actually made me
more relatable. You can imagine when I go to middle America,
like, let me tell you this, like, I was driving fast, I was
looking at a property that's like 4000 acres we were gonna
buy out here. And I'm trying to drive faster the freeway, and I
hit a red light and the guy says, No, how you gonna wait,
you gotta go so fast that you got to drive this and cut me.
What car? Oh, thank you for what you're doing for our country.
Thank you so much. Like you have no idea you'd be out here in LA,
and New York. And now have you all jacked up a mountain dude,
it'd be heavy thinking that like this reality is that is? Is that
real people?
He's speaking my language there, of course.
Yeah, and that's what I'm talking about. He felt isolated.
Yeah, because he made a conscious decision based in
facts. Everything I've laid out and all these episodes have I've
supported with facts of how the people that feel like we owe
them are Vanessa weird phenomena itself that someone feels like
you owe them your political support or vote have been
detrimental to the, to those same as that people. And when
you say that is like is it is my I use this term, almost too
much. But it is mind control. And when you break free from it,
you feel guilty one because you can't get other people to wake
up. And I'm not like I said, I don't try to get convinced
anybody to vote anyway. I just want to be able to realize you
have three options. Maybe four, because you can be the person
that rooms if you feel like you know, the two choices that you
have is not for you, then you could choose a third option and
not participating or fourth be the person that instead get
yourself in the race, right? Um, but when you say that it's like
but the boogey man he's gonna get it. And you and that's why I
was saying it's a weird place now because you see Michelle
Obama hugging the boogeyman, right? And it's, it's cool. Now,
you see an Ellen sitting beside the boogeyman, and cowboys races
and, quote unquote, Mama's saying I'm just being facetious
when I say this. You see Ellen sitting beside the boogey man at
a racist NFL game, not just that he's a war criminal. war
criminal. I'm just saying if you let him tell it the NFL and and
all its owners were racist, right here. Right? Right. And
you have an LM sitting beside a war criminal. The precursor to
Trump, the Antichrist was even called.
Yeah, well, but these people
throw these things out here. And then they act like they forgot.
They said them, these things have real life impacts and
implications. And we've seen with that poor lady, or in the
black guilt, the or the white guilt box, right?
With all the kit, the kid from the last year,
because she was mocking troll. Yeah, she didn't even interact
with black people saw me and that's why I'm having this show.
Because it's not more about celebrity or whatever. We got to
see in real time, a black person have a paradigm shift in their
political views and in their own empowerment. And we seen the
reaction of the mainstream media and people that so called Love
them before. Turn on them. And it's just weird, but let's get
into a Kanye cool 2.1.
I told him I said, Look, my my father is a black panther. My
mother got arrested for the citizens at age six. They were
fighting for us to have the right to our opinion, not the
right to vote for whoever the white liberal said black people
are supposed to vote for you. I'm saying and then James Corden
went in and said, Well, this President you're a Christian and
this president I don't see anything Christian. about him. I
said, Okay, so last year, I tried to tell me who I supposed
to vote for because I'm black. Now this year, white liberal
sounded to me hospitals to vote for because I'm Christian. That
would be like I live in Calabasas. They're gonna, my car
is gonna be a convertible. It's just all based on your vision of
what I'm supposed to do. And I understand like a lot of people,
it's not a matter of whether you like it or who like it, we are
in a country where we allowed to like, whatever we like,
the core message of America, right there.
Is that for us? Well, yeah, we do. But it comes at a price. It
really comes down to price. But you know what, I'll say this,
with that number falling, the voter turnout number falling
with, um, when you go on places like YouTube, or certain pockets
or social media, or when you talk to people. And one on one
situations is falling apart at the seams?
Well, you know, with no agenda show, when Trump first announced
the mere fact that I said, Oh, he can do it, he can go all the
way this guy could win. My co host disagreed. But that very
fact got me on lists. So the minute you just have to keep it
in the current context, the minute you say, Oh, I'm thinking
a little different. And you go against the grain, which is what
I typically do. This time, it was pretty severe. And we've
lost a double digit percentage of our audience because we just
wouldn't want to be that's not what we do, wouldn't wouldn't
blatantly come out and say, Oh, Trump's crazy racist nut job.
No, we deconstruct him. Just like Kanye is like, okay, you
know, here's what I think he's saying, here's what he's doing.
But it was severe. And it was it was your fault. Of course, I'm
an idiot. It was your
chi. He didn't come out until after election. Yeah. Because he
really came up before. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, he had no
control over the outcome of the election because he never really
said anything. And he got killed or can't or attempted to be
counseled this way. So just imagine if he came out. Do a pre
the election.
That's so in writing that is unique. Thank you for that.
Because if I had not done that, because once I predicted Trump
would win a year out, you know, the more the more popular he
got, the more I was like, See, see, you know, and so just, I
guess it sounded like a cheerleader, even though I was
just happy about a stupid prediction.
It came became your fault. Yeah. It became your fault. You and
you know what, and people can believe this and not, I tell
people, Donald Trump will win before I even knew he was
running. Because I tell him about me. And my dad was talking
and we talk we used to talk politics, but we can be more
clever used to end up in an argument every time we got a
phone, but I tell him, I said Dad, I said one thing is gonna
happen. I say it's gonna have to be a celebrity wins out the
Obama. Right? Oh, I told him this. And I was like, the only
person that looks like he knows that it has a big enough
celebrity. Is his God, Trump. And he laughed. So hard. I mean,
like, and I was like, No, seriously, I seriously that I
was like, and then when it happened, how it became my
fault.
You put that shit out there, you put that
on the universe? Nice. It's kind of like, it's got like, well,
your team is winning. And you like, call some women and then
they lose. It's your fault. Because, you know, effect on the
game. Right? The game What's your fault, you know? But yeah,
I mean, this, this is, this is the world we live in. And I
wanted to do the show for this exact reason. It's very hard, to
be honest, in this country. Because it goes back to it's a
it's a basket form of what we talked about in the last show.
Remember I said in the car, it says, don't ask for anything.
Because remember, you're saying, Well, you Oh, yeah.
Don't Don't Don't embarrass us Don't ask anything.
Right. Yeah. Some bad things I had in that conversation, too.
It's like we had, you know, saying you had to vote Democrat,
you know, the Republicans are bad, right? This new saying
that, that that are some of the other things that come along
with. It's kind of like the tall, we need to call it the
tall but the talk is not only about police, it's a whole other
talk about what the culture expects from you. So I just
wanted to say that but we can get to 3.3 Now
another thing is like this idea of like apologizing will
apologize for San George Bush don't apologize for running on
stage pretends to apologize for wearing the wrong color.
Apologize now you're dealing with Grandpa not been through
too much. I'm I'm the Founder $3 billion accompany enough in a
listen to somebody online. Tell me who are supposed to apologize
for.
Do you feel like? And since you did get there, do you feel any
other pressures when people say Kanye did let them down? When we
think about George Bush don't care about black people. That's
when everybody was like all Kanye. And then when we look at
Kanye now, I mean if we if we agree or not agree with you,
just when we when you say the wrong color hat?
Yeah, think about this for a hat. This is one of my main
things. It's like, what is the culture? It's like, Man, this
ain't for the culture. We do want to sell for the culture. We
are orphans, bro. We are culture lists. We don't have our own
culture. We signed to culture vultures, we signed our life
away our contracts, the culture votes, you think about
everything that's cultural. Taking the knee is cultural,
being on social media, it's cultural, where high fashion is
cultural, pushing a foreign, it's cultural, all these things
are not owned by our culture. So who designed the culture? What
does it mean, to do it for the culture? That's why I do it. For
Christ's
sake. Yeah, that is probably one of my favorite bits from the
interview.
Yeah, you don't do it for the culture.
They saying we don't have a culture, we drive foreign cars.
It's we didn't create the culture.
And we and I do disagree with chi a at a point. We did have a
culture up until though no man house, right. We were bought, I
say we like this. We're a budding culture. Because you
know, you have slavery and slavery from that point, up
until late in the maybe 1940s 1950s. Where we're finding
our way, you know, there were still outside influences that we
illustrated in this show, at at higher levels of education, the
town that 10 groups like to Boulay coming in and trying to
manipulate us to what the thing how to think. But we were
finding our way because culture, I believe, is birthed out of
family. And in those families, you have the leadership of the
man, for the most part, and then those men agree on what they
their common goals will be. I think this is how culture and
nations are formed. Because it's like, I know, this is what I
think, you know, when you sit down and you have a cop, and
when I say, Man, I mean, I'm just saying, I'm not gonna, you
know, almost did it again,
apologizing Mo. Yeah.
Because I know how we're gonna get to why that happens. We're
gonna have in the show why this happens. But um, yeah, you have
a culture because the men agree upon this is what we want for
our children. And in that agreeance, the man and the woman
had to have some agreement. So demand is only a representation
of the agreement between a man and a woman, right? This is not
a male dominated thing. I just want to say that. But yeah, and
then that's how to cut but then the culture was totally ruin.
Because when you have you look at no man in the house, you go
from there you go to the first opioid epidemic in America, and
the Vietnam War, the story of innocent and black people, the
communities that you have the crack epidemic, then you have
mass incarceration meetings, now we're in and the peripheral our
proliferation of single parent households, that culture is
totally destroyed. To the point where it does it appears it it
doesn't exist. And now as we've heard now, we've seen now that
they've got events trying to eradicate us through certain
measures. Very depressing when you think about verbalize
completely. You shut me up for a second and I, I'm just gonna say
Plan B, Planned Parenthood all that stuff, I think was it
direct target as well?
Yes. So I think we stopped do three was it 3.133?
We're ready for four.
Let's go into 4.1
Kobe Bryant won five championships, he sprained all
kinds of muscles all through his body tore ligaments, and for
people to go to Kanye West where I'm playing in the highest level
of mental sport. I have Mark Zuckerberg wanting to meet with
me. Yes, I have people kind of want to meet with me, that are
makers that are world at this point. So I'm playing at this
mental sport as a black band. Post POC, post Biggie, Puff
Daddy Jay Z. In Debt, completely control. The management knows
how much exactly, you make it on your tour. and it's just $2 less
than what your house costs and I'm ending up in debt every year
and then I have a breakdown I should have a hospital in the
back of our room for what I'm dealing with don't don't NBA
players got nice iced every time I need to just like leave every
day is go right to UCLA for the level of game and sport that I'm
working at. But we don't make copies legacy be about one torn
ligament and my legacy and about a week I've met 12 that just
come with the level of sport I'm playing on what you talking
about people's trying to son me left and right.
For the level of protectionist talk that mental illness gets in
our country. Kanye shouldn't be lifted up on a throne for what
he said here. This was a great analogy. A great analogy. It's
like hey, man, yeah, I use my brain all day and sometimes it
gets twisted and you know, I get an injury in all right, I gotta
go take care of that. I love that.
When you step out of line, there is no protection. That's the sad
thing about it. I mean, he he should be protected because he I
think in my heart of hearts, I think he wants the best for
black people. I think I will say this. He wants the best for
Kanye West first but I mean, I That's him. I think he's an ego
driven person. But at that level, you have to be ego driven
to be that successful, but I don't think he means harm to
other people but he gets no protection. He brings up he
brings up mental health. Which mental health like you said is a
is a is a buzz word protected
class, my friend.
But the messenger I mean, how many times do we call Trump
crazy? Right? How many times they say he has um, has
Alzheimer's as a joke?
Well, there's entire psychologists who have written
papers and They've analyzed him from afar going against the so
called Goldwater rule you know all of this stuff no, no, he's
nuts.
But they say as a joke it's like as a slight and they do the same
thing with chi we're going back to his parallel again is that if
we don't like you, then the rules or the parameters that we
have set aside don't benefit you. And if it look and if that
comes down on hi from E Lee, what is that? You see? You see
that now we're starting to see now we're starting to see where
the rubber meets the road it yes, right who's really who's
really the ventriloquist for white supremacy? Let me just be
honest here. They accuse him with that but when you can
berate a person because like I said, their mental health or
their political views and ostracize them what are we doing
here as the as the mass media but let's get into 4.2
I Ben Castle, dropped the castle before they head Castle culture
was castle before they had to turn
do you care about any of that?
I do I care about everything?
Does it does it not rub you the wrong way but does it get to
your core when when people do
rub me the right way to definitely Johnny Gill
What do you say to people that say you turn you turned your
back on the culture or
exactly 100% I have turned my back on the idea of
victimization mentality. We are locked up we went from one to
four. We went from one to four to one to three, but we always
pointing at the white people. But yet we want to spend all of
our money on Florence we want to spend all our money on luxury as
opposed to going and buying some land. America is for sale and
there's a lot of barren land Disney bought a lot of it and
Florida but the culture has you focus so much on fucking
somebody bitch and pulling up in a foreign and rapping about
things that could get you locked up and then saying you about
prisoner for life? Bro we brain washed out here bro. Come on,
man is the free man talking. Democrats had his bone Democrats
with food stamps for years, bro. What are you talking about? Guns
in the 80s taking the father's out the home. Plan B. Lauren our
votes making us a board our children Gosh, and I kill. I
can't tell y'all how to feel. But what I can tell you
honestly, is how I feel.
Yeah, there you go. Unpack it.
That's a black. That's a free man talking.
That's exactly what it was. And I like this. We're brainwashed
up here. It's like yeah,
and we are and let me make Make this clear. Let me be clear who
out for people who don't know who's interviewing him. This is
Big Boy, interviewing him and he is a popular DJ in California.
He is currently at 92.3, which is a huge radio station, urban
radio station. Urban, quote unquote means black for those
who don't know.
That's the white radio guys term. Yes.
Right. Right. But for Omaha Hart media, yes. So these radio
stations, pump poison poison into the our communities from
the earliest hours of the morning, and the reason why I
make this distinction is I grew up or hip hop. But when I was
1314 years old, that's when you know how it really like blew up
and you're saying, like, to the point, I made it on the radio,
you can hear hip hop into the afternoon. There were certain
times that they play hip hop, and then even men, they only
have certain radio friendly songs. And even more so those
were edited out any language that was considered to be
offensive was edited and out right now. When our job to work,
I can see it small children in their car seats. Parents
knocking loud you're saying deleterious music early in the
morning. And you wonder where to my control comes from, you know,
I, I saw and was an active participant in ushering in hip
hop at MTV, which started with Yo MTV Raps, which was really
innocuous because I mean, I grew up with you know, hip hop, the
hip hop to the hip, hip hop, you don't stop rocking to you bang,
bang, up, jumped the boogie and and that's that was hip hop in
my day. Then we got Dre and had lover and they came in and it
was still pretty tame. I'm worried like, like Kool Moe Dee.
You know,
can I step cast? It wasn't pretty, it was actually
positive. Yes, not me, actually. And this was the hook, what hip
hop, because when hip hop first came in, and you had groups like
a Public Enemy, and care or one, and they actually was teaching
something that you could take away from it, and actually
benefit your life. You have fight the power, and then you're
saying, Hey, I was yes, it was fueling a whole resurgence of
the culture of the cult, and this where culture comes in, and
the culture, and it was co opted. Now you could you could
continue, but I just wanted to highlight that point.
Well, yes. And the CO I mean, there's think MTV had a lot to
do with it. And I think, you know, there's always this, this
even a story out on the internet somewhere, I've saved it, I
can't remember where of course, then, you know, talked about, I
was a part of the music executives, they all got
together one shady night, and they all decided we got to put
I'm sure you've heard the story. Story. And we got to start to
mind controlling the black youth or screw it all youth with with
these rap lyrics. And here's what we're going to do. And you
know, and subsequently, things I don't know if I can pinpoint
where it changed from
what I can, I can
say exactly. Alright, hold on, I'll finish my sentence. So as
you said, it went from very positive, which could be angry,
even, you know, Fuck the police. It could be angry, but it had a
different message, then, you know, then as Kanye saying, what
what's hip hop here today. And also around that time, I left
MTV and went on my merry way and tuned out, you know, I went to
classical music. I couldn't listen to the hits anymore. So I
kind of missed that transition. So I'd love to hear what that
what that turning point was that you that you heard.
Okay, so the role of a hip hop artist early on was a
journalist. Yeah, recording what happens is black community black
CNN is what I called it, right? It was it was positive, it was
negative. It was just I'm reporting what the news is.
Today, you have what they call quote, unquote, conscious
artists, like I said, like Public Enemy. And those groups
that were talking about how we what was going on and how we
could change things where it changed it. And he nobody knows
this. Notice, notice this this was NWA. So that was it. Yeah.
That was it. And you know what? And the weird thing is and that
you people can call people who call me a conspiracy theorist on
there's no need for the theorem yet, but we're gonna get there.
Hi, I'm George Bush Senior I used to live in Compton. Compton
and now is a hotbed and always has been a hotbed for literal
Compton, California for hip hop epicenter. How does that happen?
Oh freeway Ricky Ross comes out of the area. Right? The content
was where they suppose it. The I want to say George Webb, but it
might not be right um, I know his last name is Webb documented
the guy the guy who committed suicide two shots to the head
gun. Hey, yes, yeah,
he documented that CIA members came in and taught them how to
cook up Kratt and little Okapi Gary Webb. Yeah, Gary Webb
Excuse me. Um, so I find these weird that the first billionaire
and this most celebrated hip hop group, and hip hop history comes
out a little Compton, one being Dr. Dre. Another Hollywood big
time mogul is que NWA. How does that happen?
Right. So you're, you're, you're looking at quid pro quo.
And I'm looking at Zack who I'm looking at. And then the other
thing is, if you can go Google it yourself or anybody else
wants to play at home play along at home. While I was at the same
time, NWA was supposed to be investigated by the FBI. Eazy E
err, right, was being invited to the White House. Yeah, by
President Reagan, or George Bush wanted it to so we Yeah.
Well, I mean, it makes nothing but sense man, if you look at it
that cynically which I which I can do easily, starting with it
with a crack cocaine epidemic, which was truly truly one of the
worst things our government has done. You know, in order to keep
a gambit going on with Iran Contra, and to keep funding, you
know, Sandinistas. It was like, well, we got all this this
cocaine, what do we do with it, boss? I know, let's turn it into
rock and sell it to those black people. I mean, that's how
shitty it was, they had to get it, they had to unload it.
Because they couldn't sell it fast enough because they needed
the money for their covert operations. And that's how they
decided to turn it into rock. I mean, it's, it's disgusting.
And I don't want to go too far off the path but so much so. And
I know I said a lot. But I'm stop saying but to the point
where Hip Hop videos actually work instruction or enter Hip
Hop movies were instructionals on how to start a crack
enterprise. From the point of cooking up. Wow, this is, this
is real. This is real stuff here. Um, there's a there's a
there's a sequence in the movie Minitor society that shows you
how to cook up crack cocaine. There's a movie, there's a
sequence in the movie Hip Hop movie belly, that shows you how
to set up a crack crack enterprise and an artist out of
town. Location. Right, so if you want to be a crack dealer and
and the number one hip hop artists of all time, supposedly
by the mainstream media and gets invited to the White House, Mr.
Jay Z was what? One of the most well, not by his words, well
known and we'll hop right into crack dealers there. Yes. But
then when, when when Hillary Clinton invites him, and I'm
about to get on a tangent. And I'm trying to I'm trying to
suppress it. You go, oh, I don't know, because I'm about to get
agitated here. The very person that she was called and called a
super predator. Jay Z at the time, she says that she brings
her him on stage. Right to to campaign for her in 2016. How
nasty is that? Yeah,
I'm from both Hillary and Jay Z. Both. Yeah.
And then Kai is the bad guy, because he's saying thanks for
yourself. Well,
you know what, I think we need to call JC out as it Khun my
friend. This is not good. What he's been doing.
Well, if you go by the definition of if you what they
say, if you cause more criticism of your people, and then you
have the right. Yeah, I didn't make the definition and not what
I'm saying. And we need to have that standard towards a lot of
people. And we will start saying getting rid of I thought I'd say
this all the time. A lot of them gotta go.
For a future show. Mo we definitely have to do the
deconstruction of hip hop. I mean, I'd love to do that with
you because you just like it's like a million things going
through my head. We've got to move forward with Kanye, but
oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Bye. I've lived this because I lived I'm
sorry, we see how Kanye comes under attack for being a free
thinker and being a free man. But not only from me, black
community, but other communities as well.
And when I sat there, seven years and six years in to the
Obama administration, when I was sitting at the, at the Met boss,
when I was sitting in front of white people, and they thought,
I wouldn't thought you like Trump because of the racism. So
you mean, tell me I make every decision based off my color. The
most racist thing a person could tell me is that I was supposed
to choose something based on my race. If that was the case, I
wouldn't have never wore pink polo. I wouldn't have never wear
skinny jeans everywhere I go. People pass bowling in mind. And
I'm the one who are you eat fish sticks? Because I have skinny
jeans. I'm the guy who said Stop gay bashing. Right? I took that
l consequence to that l he had to go to Queens the next day.
Pizza, you know, I'm saying like, hip hop was dropping F
bombs. And I said stop. You can play the footage. I said, stop
it. As soon as I said, Clozaril sundae just like Chick fil A.
There was LGBTQ articles, saying they need to boycott my company.
I said George Bush don't care about black people. As soon as I
wore a red hat. I'm a cool. You can't do enough for nobody out
here. So how about I stopped?
Nice. Nice.
Yeah, that's even the LGBT community came after him. Just
because he said clothes and one of his lyrics and news and the
new album. He said closed on Sunday like shit for like, even
mentioned in the words chick
fillet. Makes you transphobic or so.
Right? Makes them Yeah, makes them homophobic which they
didn't play the footage. But we will. Coyote takes our
homophobia.
Hey, by the high school be like Yo, you got to like a fag. You
ever been like, Are you gay? And I used to deal with that when I
was in high school. And what happened? Is it um, it made me
kind of like homophobic because it's like, I will like go back
and like questioning myself like them. Why they why else walk
like this. And I walk like this. So why don't you start just
looking because you don't realize until Yeah, high school
people like yo fam, look at you. Look at how you add if you see
something and you don't want to be that because it's such a
negative connotation towards it. You try to separate yourself
from it so much that it may be homophobic. By the time I was
still in high school, like anybody I was gay. I was like,
Yo, get away from me. And really, like Tupac said, started
hanging with hooks, and you look up, and all my friends were like
really thugged out. And it's kind of like I was racing to
trial, try to find that constant, masculine role model
right there. To the point where it's like, I would really
discriminate like I use the word facts, facts, facts, facts, like
always condescending towards gays, and I look and look down
upon gays. And I remember my cousin told me that another one
of my cousins was gay. And at that point, it's kind of when
the turning point where I was like, yo, yo, this is my cousin.
I love him like I've been discriminating against gays.
It's like, do I discriminate against my cousin, and then
everything starts to click, you know, brings his partner with
them to like Thanksgiving and holiday. And you just had to sit
back and think like them you know, hip hop really is about it
seems like it's about like fighting for your rights in the
beginning about speaking your mind and about breaking down
barriers or whatever. But everybody and hip hop,
discriminate discriminates against gay people.
I haven't listened to enough to corroborate that. But I'm sure
it's true.
It was a sense of I can I can. I can. Yeah. It just the word. I
mean, even if they didn't mean it in the technical word. The
word gay. It was it was a slur. Oh, man, you're gay. Or you're I
mean, like, it wasn't. I mean, I will I will validate that claim.
And you know what? Hip Hop charter Council Cartier were
saying this back in 2005. Wow. I mean, you can't wait like this.
I'm not being apologetic because I mean, I have some criticism
for him as well. But, um, yeah. So Oh, you brought up the point
of me and other people couching statements are filtering, self
filtering? Yes. There is a reason for that. And Mr. WEB
DuBois, we brought him up in the show may not have been critical
of him on the show. But he did. He also did some great writing.
Before, I believe that he was co opted by the NAACP, um, maybe
unknowingly, maybe normally, who knows, but he made some great
points in his book, The Souls of Black folks of the thing called
the double consciousness, and we're gonna cover that in 19.
Welcome to the Macat Multimedia Series on Macat Analysis of W.
EB Dubois is The Souls of Black Folk. How does racism affect
identity? W. EB Dubois wrote The Souls of Black Folk in 1903. The
book exposed the material causes of racism at the time and
explain the effects that racism has on black identity. Dubois
wanted to show his readers the strange meaning of being black.
He believed at the dawn of the 20th century, that the laws and
the society that had prevented blacks from achieving equality
in a post slavery era would continue to pose a problem for
black identity. He argued that as a result of this, blacks and
whites in the United States were separated by a color line.
Dubois his book pioneered a related concept, he believed
that the color line did more than deny blacks fair access to
jobs, education and opportunity, it actually weighed so heavily
on their souls that it prevented them from achieving their
potential as human beings. He used the term the veil, to
describe the way in which racism made it hard for whites to see
blacks as true Americans and for blacks to see themselves in
anything other than the way they were portrayed by whites.
Finally, Dubois wrote of the double consciousness produced by
wearing a veil, the split identity that blacks feel as
they attempt to be both American and African in a white society
where one identity is less equal than the other.
The veil. Okay. Yeah, so that's internally baked into us. And to
it's a process of breaking free from that, oh, we've seen Kai
successfully do that in certain ways. But still, even he does
it. It is. So weird phenomenon. Because I will say this, I don't
think Black existed before America. And why I say before
people get their panties in that much what I mean by that is
backing out Africa, you was known by your tribe, right?
That's just like back in Europe, you are known by your country,
or you know, when you got here, then we get the binary thing of
black and white. So what is black? Is it how I feel? Or is
it how society sees me? I mean, it's this constant calculation
going on in the brain of balancing the two. And you only
get free when you stop thinking in the terms of both. And that's
when you say this is a free man talking, I understood exactly
what he was saying. Ah,
which had a different meaning for me, but I completely I
completely understand it because you mean a free man talking
obviously, free man is a throwback to slavery. Yeah, but
also, I'm free. And I feel like that free in my mind free to say
what I want free to feel how I want.
But there's a few of us a free very few of us. It's
incomprehensible for me to understand, to feel what it
feels like to have that veil,
what you're starting to feel it. And like I said, I'm not capable
for you. You're starting to feel it. Yeah. Because now you have
to think of Mr. White male. Or, you know, how is this gonna
land? Is that a fair assessment because of how that term is
being stigma is being stigmatized and stereotype now,
oh, yeah. White male being the evil of all things in the
universe in the patriarchy.
Right. So now you're starting to see I can't say that because
I'll be perceived as a white male. I will. That's a
hypothesis or calculation I made, but I will assume so.
I'll tell you I'll tell you why. That's No, that's not it. Should
I tell you something with this show? Uh huh. In the beginning,
we first started and I got comments on it. I was worried is
not the right word. I was anticipating a lot of criticism.
You know, it's very similar to what we're talking about here
with Kanye is oh, okay, now you're sucking up now you're
sucking up to the to the black guy. Someone tweeted something
early on. I forgot what it was. But it was like, Oh, now you get
to eat grits with them. Yes. Some shit like that.
Right now you Whoa.
Yeah, but it was, it was that I'm like, well, or here's
something else. When you and I are talking. I certainly have a
filter in place. Don't talk black Adam. Because it's easy.
You know, it's easy to get into Yo, bro, what's up? You know?
And I don't talk like that normally. But that's just it's
normal conversation. You flow that you and I
is that a normal phenomenon? Because when Tina Turner when I
went to English, he came out with an English accent saw me
like
I'm doing it. Anyway. Bullock. I mean, Tina Turner.
Let's be honest here. So I don't know if that's yeah, that has
of course, Madonna had the same thing. She lived in England all
sudden Madonna. Yeah, she had the same thing. So that's
assimilation. And I'm very chameleon esque like that, I
assume right in very quickly. But in my mind when when you and
I are talking. I do make a subconscious effort to just be
me and not get sucked in. Because I know I will be
criticized for that.
Now imagining being like that 24/7 Fuck
that noise.
Web web divorce party.
We can understand double consciousness better if we
compare it to a work life balance scenario. Meet Sasha.
She has two identities. She is both a full time single mother
and a full time company executive. Both roles are part
of Sasha's reality, but they often overlap and create anguish
in her daily life. When her son is sick from school, she leaves
work to take care of him. When work is busy, she misses events
like her son's school concert. The contradiction of double aims
leaves her feeling unfulfilled and her potential unrealized.
Realizing this her boss offers her flexible working hours so
she is able to fulfill her role in the company and her role as a
mother without the two conflicting. This solution, a
merging of a conflicted double self into a better and truer
self that is free of contradiction was something that
Dubois hoped for. He talked of lifting the veil, a metaphor for
white society recognizing the equality of African American
people. Dubois became a central figure in shaping the movements
that ended American segregation and colonialism in Africa and
Asia. He is regarded as a great figure of history. A more
detailed analysis of his ideas can be found in the MACAT
analysis
so So there, there you have it. But when you lift the veil, it
comes into price. It's always when you become free it comes at
a price. But people like myself and others are willing to pay
that price now it just like there is no Boogeyman. Oh,
there's no Boogeyman. There's no castling either. We're slowly
starting to realize that you can't counsel me. And I think
Kanye has pioneered that to the point of you can't be counseled
and you can't be silenced. And we've seen that in the next
clip.
I got to think man black people are like the housekeepers of
America. Think about how your housekeeper yep saying they got
a certain volume they supposed to talk in a house we got a
certain volume we supposed to talk in America. So what do you
think if a housekeeper is screaming in my house what do
you think the other housekeepers gonna tell them? Be quiet? Be
quiet yay. Be quiet again.
don't disrupt the house don't
disrupt America. Yay. We orphans out here but don't disrupt
there is what if What if some people feel like you signed in
with the slave master to if we're in the house and Mr. Trump
household? It's like just like she has you siding with with the
slave master. If we're if we're both in the House, then I see
you rolling through wearing the red hat. I'm like, man, he just
like this dude over here and my speaking it maybe or other
speaking it may be but I'm saying how do we separate that?
If we're both in the house we like man. I rather
deal with somebody who call me Were to my face and a person
assigned me for a lifetime deal on a 250 fax
page on my contract. gotcha. I gotcha.
I rather know what I'm dealing with. That's why when I walk in
when anyone and keep knocking on my chest like this while I'm
dealing with, but I'm here, this was this is what I'm dealing
with. It has been institutionalized slave mastery
as slavery. Our mentality is only one of the two. Now we need
to find freedom.
Yeah, that was good. It's two sides of the coin.
So the he Yeah, he gave you two options. And a lot of black
people had to realize this. We only have two options. Are you
going to be a slave? Are you going to be free? That's the
only two options you have. But a lot of times liberal ideology
wants us to be coddled. So you can't say that to them. Your you
know, like, go back to the kid. Give your give that black lady a
higher tip.
And where the safety. Right.
And it's not like, it's not even for the benefit us it's for the
benefit of whatever they're dealing with. Right. But they
use us as the excuse for wanting to feel that way. But
I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, also, big boy there. He
basically rewound all progress and everything back to me in
1969. With my parents and the kids who showed up. So like,
don't don't disrupt, don't do anything up should be quiet. I
mean, that's basically what he's saying is like, nothing has
changed.
Yeah, like I said, Be quiet. Yeah, I mean, so. But I think
that the fractures are so deep now that people are starting to
wake up. And you'll see you hear more about this in the next
clip.
If you talk about politics, then you are not in service to
Christ, but to mute. And African Americans voice at this level,
is a form of slavery, and being a slave to the system, and to
people's perceptions. And the reality of what people have
chosen for our culture, since we are orphans is not in service to
God. And in the Bible, there's many topics of slavery. And we
are African Americans. And we are still dealing with modern
day slavery. We still have record contracts, publishing
deals, touring deals, management deals, radio deals, that we not
the owners. Until we really own our own community really make
Wakanda. For real, this is gonna take more than the Jesus chain.
We got to make all kinds of product with us to go, you know
what I'm saying? Man, I've
been waiting.
Yeah. So so he said, you have we have to you have to build your
own to be in control of it. And it's we have that. At the end of
the day, and I actually heard that term. That's all right,
who's that? Who signs off all this negativity, it comes
through hip hop.
Oh, the record label publishers, they're the ones that sign off
on it, put it out, distribute it make money.
So either we have to start to things you could do start
supplying them with that. Or become the owners of the record
labels where you can say, No, I won't. I won't condone this. I
won't condone this. The The thing is, is it's kind of like
you heard of a food desert, right? Yep. There's an
entertainment desert. To where if you only want to see if you
want to see something that reflects you. There's only one
brand there's only junk there's only mental junk food. So that's
the only option you leave me with is like either I can watch
shows that don't have people that don't look like me that
have great stories that have great um, I'm great writing. Or
I can watch bullcrap
it right now. One of the I think someone who has been doing this
all his professional career is having a tough time as a big
lawsuit as Byron Allen. Byron Allen is an owner and he is a
television mogul. Now granted, it's smaller channels that he's
got, but they're all black oriented. And and he's having a
Hard tie I think there's a lawsuit between him and Comcast.
Yes it is. Because Comcast won't carry his his programming. That
to me is is I mean that just shows you that this guy Barnala
has been he's been trying to or has been building his empire for
decades and he's still coming up against these you know these
roadblocks and getting I find getting very little support I
mean obviously you're not going to hear much about it in the in
the mainstream for obvious reasons that guy's competition
but I hear very little support
Yeah, because he's not seen by the quote unquote culture as
included let's just be honest, let's just be honest here he's
not so you don't have any other case and a lot of like I said,
there's pockets of people that showing support for him, but
overall, you're not getting that push that you think you would
get for this kind of case. Exactly. Even from what ask the
question Where is the well that's a that's a bad question
because they're fighting against their competition. So I'm gonna
say where's the media witness? They're gonna
That's exactly it. They're gonna suppress it because you know,
he's competition that he's good competition I don't have it here
on my on my cable. I can't watch it.
Yeah, but the negativity you get it nonstop. 24/7 Yeah, yeah, you
get you get questioned if you don't want to make it or if you
don't want to support it. But let's get into the final clip
about Kanye can't be silenced.
Are you afraid of losing your audience? Yay.
I told you I'm only afraid of God. I'm afraid of my daddy.
God. I would have been 15 years I'm telling you. God is showing
that you can have your own thoughts bro. I've been cast
before there was canceled culture who told you that my
career would be over the same people that are telling you that
you can't have a right to say who you will vote for those
people who will be soon to take Jesus out to school those people
will be soon to remove Jesus period from America which is the
Bible Belt those people will be so mad Come on man. I finna go
Alex John level a young man like Wake up wake up Mr. West wake up
Koecher wake up a by think they so woke. But they following the
rules the world woke supposed to be hip hop. They never been
about following rules. It's been about doing what you feel. I'm
gonna take the Louie. I'm like, I'm gonna do what the Polo I'm
gonna do it like this. Even like the way Hello, let me use my
African American voice. Let me use my Disney approved voice.
Let me you hear I'm saying we're not even speaking in our own
language, bro. Like, we talk louder than this. Africans talk
louder. Italian moms talk loud. We talk louder, but we speak in
our corporate voice or we don't want to ruin the deal voice or
this one. Bro. I love y'all man. And I love me. And I love
Christ. And you also love to see this. I'm not gonna tell you
what y'all should do. I'm just doing I do. If you love it, then
cool. If y'all want to meet na go make a difference. Honestly,
I've been killed so many times on social media. And I'm still
here. I'll still look at me.
I actually rewind that on the on the interview where it goes.
What did he say? Me? I didn't I didn't get it.
It's just like you baby. I want to kill me like Yeah, I wanna
what's the term was it wasn't it wasn't it was it was nonverbal.
It's like, okay, it was like an autumn on a pier kind of thing.
Okay. So I got
the, I just want to make sure I wasn't missing a word.
Yeah, he would love to translate him. Yeah, it was it was more of
a Yeah, it was Yeah. Um, so he brings up a great thing, a great
topic that is near and dear to your heart. Social media and I
think there's a lot of where I brought up in the last show how
they use the television during the Civil Rights Movement. That
the this new movement this new movement, a woke ism was The
battleground is social media. Yes. And that's why he's been
the number one victim um, I want to say victim number number one
because he dad was taking them down yet. He's the number one
target. And he's aware of that. Um, but let's listen to Kanye
talk about social media
with social media. People are brainwashed by people are
addicted to it. It is the modern day cigarettes when cigarettes
first came out and Edward Bernays created the created the
torches of freedom march to get women to feel empowered. Yep, by
smoking cigarettes is from Century itself. And it shows
that Edward Bernays was Freud's cousin. So, you know, I don't
know if I should even even talk anymore. It's like,
there's so much to ask you. I just thought you might be five
more years where I might be president, by the time I speak
to you next year, how we aren't going to be on the, on the
pecking order when you're president. You
write down? No, we'll do our interview with an interview. I
don't do a lot of interviews. anybody does. Good to see you.
Again. I'll probably do more interviews when I'm president.
2024, I still think it's still that's the that's the timeframe.
We're working on working on some things right now. So yeah, the
what I'm saying is, people are addicted to social media. Well,
there's
no disagreement for me on that. Obviously,
I set that up bad because that is from another interview during
this press run for this release. And what it was was, he was
allowed to give context in this interview. Ah, I noticed. Just
want to say this right, quick, I noticed that the 22 interviews,
he was more relaxed in this interview, because it was it was
a white interviewer. And I don't think he had to feel like he had
he was being pressed by the culture as he was in the say,
The Big Boy video, right? It
wasn't, it was It wasn't adversarial. Interview. Yes.
He wasn't on guard. So the next couple of clips, he's going to
come from that interview because he was actually allowed to lay
out what he thought the problems was with social media. So that
was the only way I could get the proper context for the Instagram
guy to be he was.
He allowed himself
to speak freely. Well, I'll say this. Big Boy was pressing him.
True, it was more of a it was more of a cross examine. Yeah.
It was your question. Let you elaborate on what you think.
Right? It was, it was more Yeah, it was more like a perfect world
would be cross examined. And I think he really got on the
defensive, because in that veil, kicked in, right veil fell back
down, because he's like, now I gotta be careful how I say
stuff. Because I don't want to be further. I think he even says
that he does care. Yeah, how he's seen, but he doesn't care
enough to change who he is. And I just think that's part of
coyotes, ego. And I think all of us should be like that in a way
that you know what, I care about your feelings, but I care about
my mental health more. And I wrote a lot of people wrong that
way. Because I do give people a disclaimer, I say, Do you really
want to know how I feel? Before before? Before I answer?
I'd be like, No, nevermind.
Hey, I'm gonna give you the honest truth because I'm not
gonna live in I think this is no, we're gonna wrap soon. But,
um, I think people's mental health is really effective,
because we've had to live in an alternate reality and a lot of
people.
Oh, without without a doubt, oh, no, this is it. Social media has
been incredibly destructive. In particular, because there are
alternative realities that are formed and you're bullied into
being one part of it and you're rewarded by the way when you
when you virtue signal and do whatever you need to do, then
you get your likes and your retweets and your attaboys and
all that stuff. It's always the comparison with cigarettes is a
very good one.
Yeah, and I'm glad he used the air air Edward Bernays, because
we brought him up on the show.
Edward Bernays is a staple of what I've been doing on podcast
for 12 years. You know, the whole idea of propaganda PR and,
you know, it news is, if it's not pissing somebody off, it's
propaganda. You know, it's so it's, it's our life, our life is
built. I mean, it half the new stories you read, are meant to
tear your mind up, or read. What am I saying half the new
stories, you're presented with our teen your mind up for some
damn movie that's coming out in two weeks. Just happens all the
time. So yeah, and I love that Kanye, you know, he knows
Bernays. He knows the connection to Sigmund Freud. He knows the
torches of freedom, which is women smoking cigarettes walking
down I think Fifth Avenue or Park Avenue. The Macy's Parade
Macy's, Macy's Parade says yep, that might have been west side.
So yeah, I mean, he's, he's, he's right in tune. He's very he
knows his history.
But he's crazy. Total nuts. So kaiyo Social to
social media prompts women in particular, to put out content
that they wouldn't have put out. Three to six addiction. Yeah,
would that? Yeah, it definitely could deal with my addiction.
But when I was younger, and I wanted to see something like
that, I had to, you know, pay someone that was older to go to
711 and buy it. Now I get friends they get have kids that
are in just had a grammar school in high school, that it's
completely available. There is no NSF W I load up right now on
this computer, and I'll load up some things. And you'll be like,
should that be NSFW or not? Is it just covering just a bit of
it? And you know, this people as a God fearing, marry Christian,
innovator, billionaire founder. No one's gonna take my opinion
away from me.
There's a free hand talking.
Yeah, and I like you. I mean, because it gives me other
people. We've seen Kanye impact, the view on so many different
things, that I hope it inspires people to want to become
mentally free. That way we can get honesty. Now, I might not
agree with your freedom. But I'll rather deal with that and
deal with it with this. I don't know this superficial,
artificial state of society that we're at now. So great. Well, I
was going to say that what I liked about the interview much
earlier when Conway's talked to Conway, when Kanye is talking
about the gram got your bitch. It's, I had to think about it.
What I believe he's saying is, and I think he even said it to
some degree. It's so crazy. That the woman you love the person
you are in a relationship with thinks of sending something
great to Instagram before she sends it to you.
carry you on social three. Boo, can you not be on social
media literally as we speak. It is just something else like this
either, like focus the energy here like, go somewhere else.
This isn't like what just do it in another room. But some, but
I'm not trying to put your blood. So just saying that. I'm
like that. No, but I go into this transcendent state inside
of us where like, all I'm actually reading Larry's mind.
What's Larry think as you're speaking, I'm actually reading
Josh's mind. I'm reading Mr. Boies mine, but what happened is
actually Case in point, something on the internet took a
distracted booze Midas we're talking about.
So as he's given this speech on social media, and I'm gonna get
a wrap back around to your point, but I wanted to show you
that as he's given this speech on social media, one of his
employees or entourage, it's actually on social media. It's
like it to your point. Yes. The Instagram does have you're a
woman. And so a lot of cases if St. Anne's society because one,
as you stated, they, they frame their whole and not only for
women, but Instagram has us because we present ourselves
better out to social media than we do to the people in the room
with us. And that's why I wanted to play that clip. Because to
social media, I mean, to some people, social media is more
important than reality.
No, it is the reality is a scary thing.
That's a very scary thought. And where are we at now? Where are
we in an altered reality? Um, and just the put a nice cherry
on top about the what we present to Instagram. If your husband
sees you a certain way, why do you feel like you need to put a
filter on for everybody else? Who are you living for? And I
don't have an answer to that. But just think about that. It's
like and what that does, it makes I think it's having a real
effect on system people's mental the way they perceive things
because we expect people to look like filters. Like, why? Why did
that person have bumps? Why don't I mean like what you know,
all the you know, if you if you only see people online and the
use of humor in real life is very jarring.
It's disappointing to
me is that that's very unhealthy. Yes. That's because
you what you're doing is creating and this goes back to
the mental health thing. You're creating a reality that you
can't live up to. And you wonder why people are disappointing.
And wait if you just be honest. And it just not let's say like
physically but honest mentally.
Yeah, but honesty is frightening. Mo people are very
afraid of this
is dangerous. Right. So sir, I've no, we made it all the way
through. But can you please cue the Theramin?
Of course. Everybody now we're going off the rails. We're going
nuts. All right.
We have entered the conspiracy theory portion of the show. And
we can't have a Monday's episode without being conspiracy
theories that we are. I heard kanyang doing all this Jesus
talk. Now I am a man, a man of faith myself. And I'm not trying
to question his his validity of his faith. But I was watching a
documentary The family on Netflix.
In my 20s, I stumbled my way in. And what I found was a secretive
Christian organization called the family that been hiding in
plain sight for over 80 years.
This was a group with tentacles around the world, a humble
example of leadership that the world has never seen
a breathtaking in measurement of church and state. There were
congressmen, senators, world leaders. And they say
it's about faith. But there's a shared understanding that what
we're really about here is power, like to single out Doug
Coe, Doug Coe, and all of his associates.
Doug COE is the longtime leader of the family.
He's the most powerful man in Washington you've never heard
of,
the more visible you can make your organization and more
influence it will have
Jesus plus nothing. It's a powerful thing.
Using the National Prayer Breakfast, they dispatch
representatives to build relationships with foreign
leaders. That is exactly the kind of meeting that I would
want to support. For the family. Jesus says you must go to those
who are in positions of power.
God always uses imperfect vessels to do his perfect work.
President Trump's an imperfect vessel.
Jesus is the answer. But Jesus on Capitol Hill dou x. Because
we want our family to stay together.
Holy crap, I have not seen this trailer. What? What is this all
about?
Yes, it's the family. AKA The fellowship is a Christian
organization in Washington DC. Its leader with Doug Coe.
Ah, yes, yes, yes, of course. I remember this. This is like the
this is the Boulais.
It's the Christian bootleg. So they're the ones that hold the
regular public event each year the National Prayer Breakfast.
Right? That's it. Yep.
Now, I'm about to go there. I think? Well, I have to say this
Kanye was clearly doing the bidding of the Illuminati at one
point in his career so much so I had to part ways with even
listening to his music.
Oh, really? What call around what time what what music or
what songs were
started with? Twisted dark fantasy. He was saying some say
a lot of satanic stuff in there, that I was like, I really can't
do it. And then he came out with it. I could proceed to be the
blasphemous album Yeezus, which I've never heard before. It was
a play on the word of Jesus. And so to the point where he would
was calling himself a god. And he and doing the show, he would
have a guy that looked like Jesus come on the stage and he
would basically have a it was very blasphemous. Now he goes
from Miss, I believe he may have been inducted by the family.
And why not? And why not? That would be the Power. That'd be a
great power center for him to operate from,
especially if you want to become president.
Oh, brother, I love you when you do this to me. And by the way, I
when Kanye said that he was going to run for president, I
was like, oh, yeah, he could do that the same thing with Trump
like, yeah, that crazy. He could do it. Right, right
circumstances he could go.
Because he did the same thing was saying tennis shoes. He was
like, ah, sneakers, he was like, Hey, I'm gonna have like a shoe
that rivals Jordan. And he did it. A lot of times when people
say certain things when certain people say certain things, you
have to listen. Oh, and listening Ella as as I do. As I
watched this, I didn't go on to this documentary thinking
anything the connection between them and Kanye. But as I
listened to members of the group talk, and it's and it's, they
have a substantial connection with black people inside the
country and black people in Africa, Uganda, Nigeria, a lot
of the dictators over there, the family has connections with
Uganda being one specifically. But let's listen to one of the
members of the family taught and family one. We see
this every day in our culture. We see great men who have done
great things come crashing down over some affair that just
exposed we talked to David the greatest man of war best what
Allah brings him down to his knees where that no conquering
army could defeat him but he ran from his own family.
Think existed for so long is because that we don't expose
ourselves to media. They just see what they appear to be a big
Oh surface argument with men raping one another. And I think
that's all going down there. The black dude was calling out the
white dudes, the white dudes trying to justify themselves to
the black dudes. They think that what's happening here. And of
course, if you come here initially assume one of those.
That is what's happening. But underneath that is, is a
powerful work that got us doing this actually changed men's
lives. But I would ask you something to think about while
you're sitting here is what are the lies that you have been
telling yourself? And which one of those lies have you come
to believe? Have you watched the series yet? Yes. Because when I
just at the surface, and hearing the promo and these bits and
pieces and like, sounds and this seems like a bunch of dickheads
to me, too.
I'm not saying they're good. Okay. Oh, no, no, no, let me in
their philosophies is Jesus and not and nothing. Right. And
they, like I said, they deal with they deal with dictators.
They don't care that they're in with dealing with people is that
they do the will of Jesus. Not not the Bible, not that and
we're gonna get to their philosophy more. But let's
listen to the family too. And often
men, especially who are confronted with themselves, they
don't like what they see. And they don't like it being put in
their face and spoken to what it actually is. And it's ugly
database. But my point is, is the shame keeps us locked in our
circumstances. And then if we don't deal with shame, right, we
start playing me we play my wise we blame white bulk. We blame
black folk, we blame the economy. We blame doctrine,
everybody. There ain't nothing scarier in this country than a
free black man speaking because we've been through some shit
here.
Wow, it's all there. Is Kanye his words? Almost. Yes. So
I want to create albums he had a song called wolves. Now the
family has this philosophy about the wolf king. And I don't
believe that Jesus was sent here for the sheep. But for the
wolves, Wolf King
understand understanding how we are proceeding by Doug Coe. We
should not draw conclusions about what is right or wrong
before we have all the factors in and are discussing them
together. We are at a crossroads the right man at the right place
at the right time to change history.
When I was summoned member of the family, always we were
talking about strength. Jesus says you must go to those who
are in positions of power. And I remember one of the senior
brothers talking to me about the metaphor of the sheep and the
wolf.
You think Christ came for the sheep, right? Yes, yes, of
course. He said, You know, it's good to love the sheep, but
who's gonna love the wolf? And you know what? If you can get
the wolf alongside you won't forget everyone else in mind
pretty quick. So, what about the sheep? We must go out, reach the
wolf King. How do you get the wolf King, you show him that you
have a great power.
I love this theory.
He has hit me like a lightning bolt. I was like, when you watch
it, and know what I know, about this whole transformation. I'm
like, he could be aligning himself with the with the, like
you said, the Christian Illuminati. And to do that. This
is where this new identity comes from.
As I was listening to that, you know the bit about, you know,
the right man will come along. I think they might have did the
use of the word tool in there. That might have been my
imagination. Just last night, I was watching the PBS Frontline
interview with Steve Bannon. And I've, I've seen Steve Bannon
interviews, this one was so good, because he talked about
how he Bannon and Jeff Sessions had years ago, set up a whole
bunch of things that they wanted to change in America, or make
great again, literally now it's the ban. And so I don't know the
guy, he may be full of shit, but it sounded very plausible and
believable. And that, and that they before Trump came on the
scene, they had been trying this things didn't work. And Jeff
Sessions said, the right man will come along. And he will be
the tool of change. And abandoned says and that man was
Trump an imperfect tool. Here what I'm saying now, because
this is just what Kanye is an imperfect tool, but the tool
nonetheless. And you know, the Christians or the religious, I
won't say right there, the religious period. Why wouldn't
they be? It's a great, it's a, I think it's what everybody wants.
If you have a group and you believe in something strong
enough, and then you're waiting for the guy, and then you can
call them Jesus, the Messiah or the wolf to go after the wolves.
But he's the imperfect tool. And I love this theory. And then you
cannot, you cannot deny Kanye is quoting from this series
somehow, or it's just a big coincidence
is that and I'll give you one other big coincidence knew he
was saying we could we could probably wrap up after his visit
to the White House. Chi a pops up in Uganda. Oh, my goodness,
the fellowship and Uganda have a very tight relationship. There
were ones that were helping push that anti gay bill and Uganda.
Yes, he pops up and he meets with the president of Uganda.
And I couldn't clip it because it wasn't it was the saw the
clip on I'm on YouTube. But the family, they have this little
Bible. It's a subset of the books of the Holy Bible, which
only the Gospels, the four books of the gospel. And then if it
didn't look like Kanye had it in his hand when he was meeting the
President.
Well, I'm I'm a bit concerned about the Uganda connection
because Uganda is run by the CIA has been run by the CIA for the
past 50 years. So I'm very concerned about that. And you
know, but
who the hell knows and our
goal you know, no, no, go ahead, please finish.
And I will rat with me from my side with this. Kanye is a very
easy win for president. That sounds crazy, but I've said this
before, and I was called crazy. Now we've said the left right,
you know, the Democrats rely on heavy black vote right? If they
can get that number down, if kind get that number down
enough. It's about the negative vote here. He already told you
in these clips before Middle America is with Kanye.
And I agree and he's only solidified, I listened to the
album. And by the way, in that interview, we didn't play it.
But he says, you know, I'm like, Michael Jackson. He's got all
these different things on the mind majority Michael Jordan,
right. I'm hearing Stevie Wonder in this record. I'm what we
would call the musical genius, Stevie Wonder there is some
outstanding stuff in this record. At but without a doubt
from beginning to end. Its spiritual. Its religious is
Christian from beginning to end, every lyric, every word, but the
choirs all the stuff and it's, it's, it's the message, it's all
there.
And who's on that wall? In a black home?
Let's see. We had the Blazers. We had the black baby Jesus.
Jesus. Okay,
that's right. Martin Luther King. That's it. Oh, my God, MO.
Thank you once to get you you have delivered better than I
could have imagined. I told Tina this morning. We're
deconstructing Kanye. I'm so excited. And perfect. And I'll
tell you, ma'am, I'm with you. i And you're under the right
circumstances with the right backing Kanye. Of course, he
could become president. Regardless. It'll be so good for
the show. He's so good for the show. And this show is rare.
Yeah. Kanye, please run Kanye. And this show is of course put
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